The Vernon Richard Show

When Everything Sounds Like Testing… How Do You Explain What You Really Do?

09 Sep 2025

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In this episode, Richard and Vernon delve into the complexities of Quality Assurance (QA), Quality Engineering (QE), and testing in software development. They explore the evolution of these concepts, their interrelations, and the importance of metrics in assessing quality. The conversation highlights the need for a holistic approach to quality, emphasizing that both prevention and detection of bugs are essential. The hosts also discuss the challenges of defining these terms and the future of quality in the industry.Links to stuff we mentioned during the pod:08:50 - Dan AshbyWe're referring to Dan's's excellent post called "Continuous Testing" (featuring his famous diagram!)17:13 - Jit GosaiJit's blog Jit's Quality Engineering Newsletter Jit's LinkedIn19:24 - Quality Talks PodcastStu's Quality Talks podcast that he co-hosts with Chris HendersonStu's LinkedInChris's Linkedin19:55 - The Testing Peers podcast22:00 - DORA Metrics: DORA metrics are a set of key performance indicators developed by Google’s DevOps Research and Assessment team to measure the effectiveness of software delivery and DevOps processes, focusing on both throughput and stability26:13 - A link from Episode 10 where Vern discusses Glue Work (be sure to check out the show notes on that episode)Quick overview of DORA metrics34:43 - The Credibility PlaybookA video course by Vernon as he experiments with building digital products.Check it out and let him know what you think of it! 😊46:24 - Ali AbdaalAli's websiteAli's YouTube00:00 - Intro01:36 - Welcome02:40 - Today's topic: What the hell is QA? QE? Testing? And is it all changing?03:00 - Why is this bugging Rich?05:11 - Fruit fly tangent 🍌🍊🍎🪰🐝🦋06:27 - Rich's take on QA, QE, and Testing08:31 - Vern's take on QA, QE, and Testing11:15 - Is shift-left testing the same as QE?13:05 - When the team tests early... is that QE then?!16:18 - What's the big deal if we can’t define QE clearly?19:27 - Why the Efficiency Era makes this even harder22:55 - Trying to draw the Testing, QA, QE, Venn diagram27:24 - Getting the QA, QE, Testing blend just right. What's the right mix?29:52 - The kinds of work we take on as our careers grow34:08 - What Testers get rewarded for45:34 - How Ali Abdaal helped Vern think differently about quality48:18 - Rich talks measurement

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The Vernon Richard Show

When Everything Sounds Like Testing… How Do You Explain What You Really Do?

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