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The Wealthy Barber Podcast

#54 — Frederick Vettese: Retirement Planning Advice on CPP, Annuities and More

28 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

5.195 - 22.741 Dave Chilton

Hey, it's Dave Chilton, the Wealthy Barber and former Dragon on Dragon's Den. Welcome to the Wealthy Barber Podcast, where we'll be hosting some of the top minds in the world of personal finance. Yes, that's to balance me out. The podcast is about making the subject not just easy to understand, but dare I say, even fun, honest.

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23.221 - 35.284 Dave Chilton

Whether you're trying to fund your retirement, figure out how to build a down payment, save for your kids' education, manage debts, whatever, we'll be here to help you do it. Before we jump in, a quick but important note.

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Chapter 2: Why are many Canadians better prepared for retirement than they think?

35.345 - 55.182 Dave Chilton

Nothing we discuss here should be taken as investment advice. We don't know you and your personal financial situation, so we're not here to tell you where specifically to put your investment dollars. We're here to educate, get you thinking, and we hope entertain. But please do your own research and or consult with your financial advisor before taking any action.

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Chapter 3: How does delaying CPP to age 70 impact retirement planning?

55.162 - 63.341 Dave Chilton

Hey, it's Dave Chilton, The Wealthy Barber with Wealthy Barber podcast episode, I don't know what, 50 something. Thank you again for following us.

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Chapter 4: What role do annuities play in a retirement income strategy?

63.442 - 72.563 Dave Chilton

It's great that we're building all this momentum, but I want to get straight to the guest today. I am very excited about this guest, a true legend.

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Chapter 5: When does a reverse mortgage make sense for retirees?

72.543 - 89.779 Dave Chilton

In the Canadian personal finance field, anybody in our field, any advisor, any writer, any educator follows Fred Vitesse. He has been around for a long time. He's an actuary. He has a tremendous reputation, a great mind, has written for the Globe and Mail for a long time.

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Chapter 6: Should Canadians consider delaying OAS to age 70?

89.939 - 91.362 Dave Chilton

I read every article.

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91.342 - 117.923 Dave Chilton

retirement income for life his book has been very influential just an exceptionally sharp guy he really is i said to him off air he has not only influenced a lot of canadian consumers directly but the industry at large a lot of advisors have factored his teachings into the way they approach their client business for the better he is a very sharp guy i love his stuff now he and i tend to agree on almost everything maybe that's why i think he's so sharp

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117.903 - 119.065 Dave Chilton

I judge him by that.

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Chapter 7: What is the RRSP meltdown strategy and why is it important?

119.486 - 136.836 Dave Chilton

But the real reason I wanted him on the show, beyond his brilliant mind and great communication skills, is he's our first guest who is older than I am. So that is even great. I love that even more. Fred, it's a thrill to have you on, and I mean that. I'm a huge fan.

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136.976 - 141.885 Frederick Vettese

Well, David, thank you. Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm glad to finally be able to come on your show.

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141.865 - 156.364 Dave Chilton

Now, you've done a wonderful job over the years. And one of the things that I was saying to you off air is that I think because you're an actuary and everybody knows how smart you are, there's an anticipation when you go to read your material or listen to your views that you're going to be numbers, numbers, numbers.

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Chapter 8: How can gifting to adult children affect your retirement?

156.563 - 171.967 Dave Chilton

and less about people and balance and different approaches, I find you quite the opposite. I actually find you're wonderful at weaving real life into all of this. Talk a little bit about how you come up with your ideas for your columns and your general line of thinking.

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172.147 - 186.469 Frederick Vettese

That's actually interesting. I'll tell you this. So I started doing my charts for the Global Mail about three and a half years ago. So what I did was I proposed to them that, you know, I do charts all the time in my writing, so why don't I just do a chart for you once a week? It turned out I couldn't actually do it once a week.

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186.51 - 205.099 Frederick Vettese

It was a bit too much to keep up, so I started doing it once every couple of weeks. But initially, it was low-hanging fruit. There were all kinds of charts that I just had to produce, like, for example, how the average retirement age in Canada is changing over time, what the kind of returns people can really expect based on their acidness and their risk tolerance, that kind of stuff.

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205.079 - 223.739 Frederick Vettese

I did the low-hanging fruit first, and after a while, I kind of was more of a struggle to come up with ideas. And usually, it's just a matter of getting an insight. And I might be doing anything like, you know, practicing my putting or talking to my wife or watching golf on television. And all of a sudden, there's something I'm thinking about where I would like to have the answer myself.

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223.819 - 241.666 Frederick Vettese

And I kind of think I know what the answer is, but I can't quantify it. And I thought it would be kind of neat to actually be able to do the research and actually get it done. And because I have this ongoing pressure of having to meet a deadline with the Globe and Mail, I'll do that research every couple of weeks and produce that.

242.367 - 258.539 Frederick Vettese

Having said that, what's interesting is I never know which ones are going to be successful. Sometimes you think you have a killer chart and it stays on the Globe and Mail homepage for like an hour. Then they take it off because no one's reading it. And other times you think, I'm just phoning it in this week. I don't know. I'll do it anyway.

258.86 - 262.086 Frederick Vettese

And it's the one that keeps on getting reposted again and again.

262.066 - 276.312 Dave Chilton

Well, I can honestly say I like them all. I think they make the reader think, and that is a great achievement that any writer wants to be able to brag about. Tell our listeners, our viewers, a little bit about your career before we start with some specific financial questions.

276.46 - 295.166 Frederick Vettese

Okay, as you said, I'm an actuary. I became an actuary a long time ago. I worked initially with a consulting firm called Mercer. That was for 12 years. Then I joined Morneau back in 1988, and they changed their names a number of times over the years, and they were more recently Morneau-Chapelle when I retired from there in 2018.

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