Chapter 1: What observations are made about dating apps?
Did you ever notice how dating apps feel like you're just kind of scrolling through a yard sale of human emotions? I know a lot of people, good people, who want something real, like actual commitment, not just a WYD at 1147 p.m. That's why I like this app called Upward. It's for people where faith actually matters. Not just, yeah, I went to church twice in 2014.
I'm talking shared values, family, commitment, integrity. The stuff that makes a relationship solid. What's cool is you're starting from the same foundation. You're not three weeks in wondering, oh, you don't believe in marriage? Because that's a wild Tuesday to have. Upward is built for people who want to date with intention. Like you're actually trying to build something.
Whether faith is the center of your life or just how you were raised, it helps you meet someone who's aligned before things get serious. And look, I'm not saying I've got it all figured out. You know that. I'm still out here.
Chapter 2: How does Upward app differ from traditional dating apps?
But if you're tired of guesswork and want something grounded in real values, this might be your move. Download Upward and start dating with intention. Go find your person. Florida, baby. I'll be in Jacksonville this week. We've got shows Friday and Saturday. That's March 13th and 14th. One on Friday and two on Saturday evening. A few tickets are still available at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R.
Practicing, preparing for my Netflix special. So grateful to be down there in the great state of Florida. Today's guest is a musician. He's a founder of the legendary rock band The Black Crows. He has a new album called A Pound of Feathers that comes out March 13th. I cannot even believe. Today's guest is Mr. Chris Robinson. Hi! And I don't mind being decrepit a little bit. You know what I mean?
Like, I've never... It's kind of artsy. It's a little bit Tim Burton-esque. Well, I'm kind of proud that I've survived 59 winters. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, I can imagine. With your life, I bet. Did you feel like when you were young, like, I'm never going to live long? And then as you've grown, you're like... Fuck, I guess I'm... I don't, you know what?
It's so funny because I'm not afraid of the theme at all. And of course, I never really, I mean, no, I didn't really, I've never really thought about it. I adhere to, do you know the French artist Jean Cocteau? Do you know who he was? He's very, have you ever seen the original movie Beauty and the Beast? Yeah. The black and white one with the hands. He directed that film.
He was a French artist, intellectual. Jean Cocteau. Yeah, a very important figure in the 20th century in art. And I subscribed to something that he said. And he said, living is a horizontal fall. So I'm just like, dude, when I read that about 35, 36 years ago, I was like, that's it. I mean, what else do you need to know? I mean, it was like perfect, philosophic. Yeah, that's a line.
Sometimes I get so jealous when you hear somebody that said something or that wrote something, you know? Not jealous, but also, I guess I used to get more jealous. Now I think I just get grateful that I got to hear it or read it. Of course, of course. That's what it's all about. I mean, there's a million things to inspire.
you know and i think i think it's really sad if you get to a point and it could be anything just whatever i have a lot of varied interests you know what i mean so i'm constantly like interested in stuff and the world is just information you know what i mean um Because I'm dyslexic as well, I just process it in a different way. But that's why I've been in a fucking rock band my whole life.
That's what... It'll lead you there, you're saying? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, if your brain is freaking doing donuts or whatever. Every artist I know, yeah, it's like that's why we found our way to this. And the success part or whatever, that kind of aspect of it is just whatever. You know what I mean? That's what either happens or doesn't happen.
I read somewhere that you, like you have like a, I don't know if it's a fascination, but like about the first line of a song or a, like whenever you mentioned that thing about Mr. Cocteau, it made me think about that. Like how the first line is so important. Yeah, well, it's funny that you – I did say that.
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Chapter 3: What personal experiences does Chris Robinson share about his music journey?
Poetry first. You know what I mean? Because the music part came a little later when I was kind of like, fuck, you know, like we're going to see like hardcore bands in Atlanta in the early 80s at like punk rock matinee shows and stuff. Yeah. Cause that's the shit we could go see because I wasn't really interested in like MTV and kind of those same stuff. We were just different. My brother too.
Um, that kind of led to the whole world of, Oh, there's like all this other shit going on, but it's not on TV or it's not the, on the radio. You have to really dig and find it. And then you see some other kid in like a fucking circle jerks t-shirt or something. And you're like, let's go talk to that guy. What's going on there. Yeah. Which the world is still the same way, I think.
You meet the people you're supposed to meet. It has nothing to do with technology if you're out in the world traveling around. Yeah, that's a good point, actually. I think you come across... You meet fucking people because you guys are... People are on a... A certain wavelength.
Yeah, there's a real human wavelength that's still happening in the universe, even though so many of us are sidelined on our devices, though. It's almost like you're on the sidelines when you're on your device. It's almost as if it's by design, too. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't really wander into those realms so much. I'm too busy with Mr. Cocteau. Just kidding.
Once I read that you said that, I was like, oh yeah, I was trying to think of... Oh, the first line thing. Well, that dictates the... Yeah, where like, okay, if that first thing to me is something like I could, in a stupid visualization, open up a page and see it, and then if that would be something that
If I could capture something in imagination or feeling or where those two things come together in the first few words of the song. Yeah. That's, you know, and I find my, I like that with songs too. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm not going to wait till the third verse for some good words. Yeah, to tickle you a little. Yeah. Go give it to me. Yeah, you want to tickle in my front.
Like, what's a Johnny, that Johnny, I hurt myself today. Yeah, yeah. That one. The Trent Reznor song. Yes. Oh, my friend was just at, they just went to see Nine Inch Nails last night, actually. He was sending me videos. They were here last night? No, they were in New Orleans. Oh, New Orleans. Oh, that's right, that's right. He just went. Wow, I saw that.
My wife and I went to see them in Brooklyn over the summer. It was like a crazy week of like fucking gigs because we got there and Korn and System of a Down were playing. So we went to that and I've never seen shit like that and that was fucking amazing. With Brian Walsh, was he playing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But that was the gig where a guy was like jerking off in the stands. Oh, in Brooklyn?
No, this is at the stadium. What's it called? MetLife Stadium. Oh, yeah. And it was all over the internet. There's a guy jerking off. And there he is. Oh, that's a trap beat. Bro, that's playing an 808, huh? He's really upset at that point of the... But a guy runs over and smacks him. I was at that gig, but I was on the floor, so I had nothing to do.
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Chapter 4: What humorous experiences does Chris Robinson share about his early jobs?
It was the wildest, dude. It's good to know. That's a good... You know, all of it is adding up. You know, the rejection of that deep wound. Oh, dude. And the beaver lady, kitty lady. It was there. And you probably, did you ever work in a liquor store after that? You're like, this is pretty nice. No, I worked at a shrimp and video, though. We had shrimp.
We'd shrimp out a pound and come rent a movie over there. Pat's Shrimp and Video. But did you have other movies other than Forrest Gump? Yeah. We just had 200 copies of Forrest Gump. And one copy in the back of Foreskin Gump, which is a different movie altogether. Bro, I had no fucking clue you were this hilarious, dude. That's awesome. Thank you, bro. I was having a shitty day. I know.
Foreskin Gump usually isn't in the press release before I show up. I said, you know, fuck it. You're drinking Sonic and shit. I'm like, might as well. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? After the whole Foreskin thing, I'm not getting any fucking. Who's going to have me?
Chapter 5: How does Chris Robinson reflect on drug use and creativity in music?
You know what I mean? Foreskin Gump, yeah. What did we watch? I actually saw that on the spine of a porno in New York in the Old Tower Records by Lincoln Center up there. To be honest with you, full disclosure, I wasn't in the porno section. I was obviously going around to the free jazz documentaries. And no, I wasn't. But I saw it. They didn't have... Oh, and is that guy in blackface? Yeah.
They did it. Let's hope, again, let's hope it's worse than we could ever imagine. But they had all the covers off of the video. This was before DVDs. They had all the covers off of them, but just the words in black. And there's a thousand words, and my brain goes, da-da-da-da-da-da, foreskin gum. I've never forgotten. Dude, that's great. Yeah, I don't remember the first porno.
I knew my, I saw they had a stack of videos, and I remember jerking off and blacking out. I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle having any feelings, especially not that much at once. And it was like, ah. Well, they say the first time is, you know... It's all you need. You're never the same. You're never the same.
Did you have... Because I know you had experience with drugs and stuff over the years. Did you try different drugs and thinking that they would help you write or create certain music? Was there ever any of that energy?
Chapter 6: What insights does Chris provide about the music industry and touring?
Or is that something that musicians even do, really? I mean, I've... I've always done my writing. I might be a little stoned sometimes, but I've never did drugs to write. You know what I mean? So that wasn't a thing? But, you know, like psychedelics, they're in my writing, but I don't take psychedelics to write. All of it. All of it's in there, you know? I mean, I was a person...
fairly well adjusted in some ways. I never took drugs to blotto myself out. I always, I, I truly, and talking about romance, my romantic relationship with drugs and okay, those lines can become blurry at a certain point in my life. But, uh, I always kind of knew what was going on. I was never into speed and shit. I mean, I was a coke person and, you know, hard drugs. Yeah, that was my forte.
In the 90s. But speed, thank God, like, the only few times I ever tried it, it was just the worst feeling thing. It just didn't go with my chemistry. But, uh, I, yeah, I've, it was, I've, I fucking love drugs. You know what I mean? I don't do them. I'm, I'm six, almost, I'm getting, I'll be 60 years old this year. And, uh, and I love my life and my responsibility and, um, yeah.
And to do what I do, I can't do that. You know what I mean? You know, it's to sing and sing at a high level, hopefully, to the workload is, you know, when you're 25, you can do that shit and get up and... Oh, yeah, dude. It's a different story as you get older.
Chapter 7: How does Chris Robinson describe his new album 'A Pound of Feathers'?
I'm in recovery now from drugs, and it's like... Yeah, dude, I liked it. And if they came out with a version that was better for you. They have it. It's called pharmaceutical cocaine. It's just really fucking hard to get. Are you serious? I mean, I tried it. I didn't even know that they had pharmaceutical cocaine. Yeah, it's on another. Look it up. Yeah, bring it up. Put it up. Yeah, bring it up.
Let's see what Bear Monsanto is up to this week, huh? New pharmaceutical cocaine, that's what we're looking for probably? Well, even the old one I think is better than the average old. Oh, really? I got this at the bowling alley cocaine. Yeah, I got it when the bag was still warm from somebody's hand. Yes, of course. And if you didn't do it while it was warm, it was bad. It was like Chinese food.
Pharmaceutical cocaine refers to purified cocaine hydrochloride. Used in controlled medical settings distinct from illicit street forms. It's classified as a Schedule II narcotic. Controlled substance in the U.S. due to its medical value despite high abuse potential. Yep. Fantastic. Huh. That's the best Yelp review I've ever read. Yeah. Dude, it makes me think about this.
My favorite joke I ever heard, right? It goes, what's the last thing you want to hear when you're giving a blowjob to Willie Nelson? I'm not Willie Nelson. I don't know why that's – it's not my joke. And I don't know whose it is, but it's my favorite joke ever. So for some reason, I just had to share it with you right there. I like it. Thanks, man. Thanks, dude. All I can think about is –
A sea of red and gray pubic hair now. Yeah. That's all I will... I'll go to sleep thinking about it. Oh, yeah. So cheers. I can't remember what she had. She could have had a cock on her. I have no idea. You were just so shocked. I was so shocked that somebody would do this. I couldn't understand that there was nothing under a coat. This was in Atlanta? This was in... Yep, this was in Atlanta.
Right off of... I want to say Peachtree. Not road. It was road. They're all Peachtree. Right, they're all Peachtree. It was like... There's a few... something Civil Rights Boulevard. It was something like that. It was a lot of action. That's every street. It really was. Do you remember a time when you got the highest you ever did in your life?
Like, do you remember a time when you got too high, kind of? Yeah, yeah, a couple times. A couple times I got too high. One time, our old keyboard player in the Black Crows in the 90s, this guy Eddie Harsh. Ed was older, you know, and he'd been in the blues scene. And Ed was really my drug professor, you know, and he taught me a lot about drugs.
Not just music and stuff, but especially, you know, the underground business we were in at the time. He looks a little native, huh? He's Ukrainian, actually. Oh, wow. Yeah, his parents came to Toronto after World War II. Oh, Canadians are good. But one night we were on the bus and he had like a couple of bags of shake.
fucking weed and he and ed talked like this man you know he's like man i'm gonna go get some brownie mix at the truck stop i'm like all right all right so i'm fucking i don't know you know he comes in the bus and he he takes two bags of shake and pours it in this little thing of microwave brownie mix and he mixes that shit up he's like smoking a cigarette shit and
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