In Chapter 3, Amanda Knox takes you to Hawai’i’s Big Island to speak with Ian and Shawn Schweitzer and members of their legal team to understand how a confession, driven by deals and deception, could lead to their arrests. Despite a lack of forensic evidence, Ken Lawson of the Hawai’i Innocence Project helps break down how police tunnel vision and media pressure led to the brothers’ wrongful imprisonment and the battle to clear their names.__You can view the materials referenced in this episode at https://threepodcast.com/chapter-3-family-feudPlease consider donating to Ian’s GoFundMe at https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-ian-schweitzer-after-wrongful-conviction. You can visit www.hawaiiinnocenceproject.org and click the donate button to support them, their work and their clients. Amanda Knox’s new memoir, Free: My Search for Meaning is available at www.amandaknox.com. If you have any information about the abduction and murder of Dana Ireland, we encourage you to contact the Hawai’i Innocence Project at [email protected]. You can also contact Crime Stoppers at (808) 961-8300 and the Hawai’i Police Department at (808) 961-2380 or visit their website Hawaiipolice.gov to submit a tip.
Chapter 1: Who is Amanda Knox and what does she discuss in this episode?
I arrived in Hawaii the day Ian Schweitzer was released from prison. I remember the first time I met other exonerees through the innocence network, and it changed my life. I suddenly realized I wasn't alone in going through an extraordinary injustice. These were people that I didn't have to explain myself to.
So when I heard that Ian was being exonerated, I was thrilled to pay that energy forward by welcoming him into freedom and into our community of wrongly convicted brothers and sisters. But it takes time to adjust. It took me years to wrap my mind around everything that happened to me.
And so it wasn't until July of 2023 that our team went back to the Big Island and to Fern Forest, a small community of a thousand or so, about 45 minutes south of Hilo, to talk in-depth with Ian and his brother Sean. The drive from Hilo to Fern Forest is full of tall greenery. The houses are set back off the road, each with a privacy gate, or no trespassing sign.
Occasionally, we spot one of the residents on foot on the road, and they offer up a friendly wave or smile back at us. When we pull up to Sean Schweitzer's house, the gate is open, and the yard has a scattering of cars and trucks. Ian Schweitzer is standing outside waiting to greet our team. At 52, he has short, graying hair, but he looks like he's in the best shape of his life.
He says he is often up at the crack of dawn to work out. Ian's a soft-spoken kind of guy, his voice warm and welcoming. Next to Ian is his younger brother, Sean. He's taller than Ian, with a goatee and long hair tied back. He's initially a little closed off. His arms are crossed at first, and he's quiet. But he eventually warms up and is every bit as kind and welcoming as Ian is.
This is actually kind of far from where we grew up. We actually grew up in Pahoa. So it's a little warmer climate, more down the hill, yeah. Small town, very, very small town back then, yeah. Late 70s, we moved over here. Yeah, it was for, I guess my dad felt he could see what was kind of coming in O'ahu and he didn't like it, so he moved us out to the country, yeah.
They pretty much retired early, too, kind of, like on semi-retirement when they were young, so. Yeah. Less stress, less bills.
During our visit with Ian and Sean, we asked them every question under the sun, trying to understand how they became involved in one of the most notorious murders in Hawaii history.
So where our parents live, so it's this side of the street, get the street. Timmy Gonzalez lived right here, dealing drugs, raging fights, two, three o'clock in the morning, burning out, pounding his sounds midnight. So he lived right across the street from our parents. He had nice shit, I guess, because he sold drugs. But, you know, back then, I never know if he was selling drugs or not.
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Chapter 2: What was Ian Schweitzer's life like after his release?
Knowing they could be identified, Frank claims Ian decided he needed to get rid of her. So Frank says he saw him grab a tire iron and hit her over the head with it. But then he's not sure what happened. He doesn't remember if the brothers put the woman back in the trunk or if they just left her there. But he knows that afterwards, all three of them headed back to the Schweitzer's house.
Ian showered and Frank and Sean washed the purple VW Bug. Once Ian finished his shower, Frank says Ian brought a black trash bag outside so they could all put their clothes in the bag and then he threw it in the bushes in the yard before the Schweitzer's dropped Frank back off at his house.
And since then, Frank says, the only other conversation he's had with Ian was when Ian told him at some point to keep quiet about everything or else. So what a story. And detectives think so, too. Knowing Frank's reputation and history of lying, this didn't seem like the slam dunk they were looking for. But with all the detail in his story, detectives at least entertain the idea.
And that same day, they have Frank take them through the route he claims he and the Schweitzer's took before running into Dana. Starting at Frank's house, Frank takes detectives through their drive that day, vaguely pointing out key spots. But he can't say exactly where they initially hit Dana while she was riding her bike.
But either way, the more Frank talks, no matter how specific or general he is, the more police are feeling confident about his story. But at the same time, remember, Dana's case by now has made national news, and everyone on the island knows the details, including the locations. So this isn't exactly exclusive information.
Nonetheless, detectives turn their attention to the Schweitzer's, and specifically to the VW bug. They speak with the Gonsalves, who say that Ian bought the VW from their family, and while they aren't exactly sure what date, they know it's sometime in 1991.
57 baby windows. One of my baseball coaches, he ended up with that car. They built that car.
And his son drove it to high school. Altru High School. Altru High School. Timmy bought it from them. Timmy bought it from them.
Timmy Gonzales, the drug dealer at the time, paid a lot of money for it.
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