Ken Lawson

You know, I have him on the phone near the speaker because he's at a CLE. And the judge said, so you're telling me that a CLE is more important? Then what we're talking about today? Then he's just like, okay, fine, let's just do this. He said, now I want to know, did you guys know that this guy was dead when we were in court yesterday? And I was asking where he was at, and you were telling me.

You know, I have him on the phone near the speaker because he's at a CLE. And the judge said, so you're telling me that a CLE is more important? Then what we're talking about today? Then he's just like, okay, fine, let's just do this. He said, now I want to know, did you guys know that this guy was dead when we were in court yesterday? And I was asking where he was at, and you were telling me.

Did you know he was dead then, Your Honor? We cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. So it's almost like you got the prosecutors and corporate counsel telling them to take the Fifth, right? But this is like their way of taking the Fifth. She might as well say, you know, I can't incriminate myself. That's what I'm hearing. Now, she's saying I can't comment on an ongoing investigation.

Did you know he was dead then, Your Honor? We cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. So it's almost like you got the prosecutors and corporate counsel telling them to take the Fifth, right? But this is like their way of taking the Fifth. She might as well say, you know, I can't incriminate myself. That's what I'm hearing. Now, she's saying I can't comment on an ongoing investigation.

What I'm hearing is I have a constitutional right under the Fifth Amendment not to incriminate myself, and my attorney's advising me not to answer this question. And so the judge told him, and Mike, he said, now you got an ethical obligation, a duty of candor to the court. And that means not even misleading a judge. Because when we left Thursday, like I said, we took a vote.

What I'm hearing is I have a constitutional right under the Fifth Amendment not to incriminate myself, and my attorney's advising me not to answer this question. And so the judge told him, and Mike, he said, now you got an ethical obligation, a duty of candor to the court. And that means not even misleading a judge. Because when we left Thursday, like I said, we took a vote.

The majority of the people in our meeting was like, he's in custody. Because that's the impression they were trying to give. That's misleading. Because you're thinking ongoing investigation, I can't comment on it, that they may have him in protective custody under an assumed name, right, for his protection or whatever.

The majority of the people in our meeting was like, he's in custody. Because that's the impression they were trying to give. That's misleading. Because you're thinking ongoing investigation, I can't comment on it, that they may have him in protective custody under an assumed name, right, for his protection or whatever.

Or they may have him in the police office, you know, the helo basement, you know what I mean? Whatever. Because, you know, you have to log people in at the jails. But maybe, you know, the police stations have holding cells, you know, bring a DUI in. Right, you may not have to log them into the system. And so they may have him at the local station in the holding cell.

Or they may have him in the police office, you know, the helo basement, you know what I mean? Whatever. Because, you know, you have to log people in at the jails. But maybe, you know, the police stations have holding cells, you know, bring a DUI in. Right, you may not have to log them into the system. And so they may have him at the local station in the holding cell.

So all this stuff is just, right? And so everybody's thinking, right? Because if he's dead, ain't no ongoing investigation. That's the way we're, you know, so they never said he was dead. But I guess between the time that the judge knew he was dead, right? And they never disputed that. They never said he was dead.

So all this stuff is just, right? And so everybody's thinking, right? Because if he's dead, ain't no ongoing investigation. That's the way we're, you know, so they never said he was dead. But I guess between the time that the judge knew he was dead, right? And they never disputed that. They never said he was dead.

The first time they said he was dead was when the police chief did his conference Tuesday or Monday, whenever that was, Monday or Tuesday.

The first time they said he was dead was when the police chief did his conference Tuesday or Monday, whenever that was, Monday or Tuesday.

The Fourth Amendment applies in Hawaii like it does anywhere else in the United States. I mean, this is not like, OK, the Fourth Amendment stops in California and can't cross the Pacific. So in other words, the meaning of probable cause, the definition of probable cause under the Fourth Amendment is the same. But the DNA, everybody knows DNA, once it's a match, is probable cause.

The Fourth Amendment applies in Hawaii like it does anywhere else in the United States. I mean, this is not like, OK, the Fourth Amendment stops in California and can't cross the Pacific. So in other words, the meaning of probable cause, the definition of probable cause under the Fourth Amendment is the same. But the DNA, everybody knows DNA, once it's a match, is probable cause.

I mean, they didn't have a match in Ian's case.

I mean, they didn't have a match in Ian's case.

One, I think he's full of shit. I mean, it's easy to say that now when it's already out. But I don't see how the prosecutor's saying we can't come in on an investigation and the chief is telling you what, it's not an ongoing investigation. So somebody's lying, right? If the chief is saying he could have called me and I would have told him this and all this stuff, right?

One, I think he's full of shit. I mean, it's easy to say that now when it's already out. But I don't see how the prosecutor's saying we can't come in on an investigation and the chief is telling you what, it's not an ongoing investigation. So somebody's lying, right? If the chief is saying he could have called me and I would have told him this and all this stuff, right?