Ken Lawson

then why are the prosecutors telling us that somehow, because it's not the prosecutor's investigation, it's the police investigation. So if he's willing to share that information, why is the prosecutor saying that they can't do it? And so that's the question that needs to be asked of them.

then why are the prosecutors telling us that somehow, because it's not the prosecutor's investigation, it's the police investigation. So if he's willing to share that information, why is the prosecutor saying that they can't do it? And so that's the question that needs to be asked of them.

As far as I'm concerned, to me it's more that hoodwink and bamboozle stuff that the chief been doing when you listen to him talk. Because he could have been a used car salesman, because he's a slickster, man. I mean, listen to Wade. If you listen to Wade's talking, you better start reading in between the lines because he's very careful not to tell a blatant lie.

As far as I'm concerned, to me it's more that hoodwink and bamboozle stuff that the chief been doing when you listen to him talk. Because he could have been a used car salesman, because he's a slickster, man. I mean, listen to Wade. If you listen to Wade's talking, you better start reading in between the lines because he's very careful not to tell a blatant lie.

But it's easy for the chief to sit up here and give an interview to a podcast interviewers. write anyone after he knows he's released a name and be like, oh, I'm transparent. Now, there had to be communication. This is the reason why if you look at our subpoena, we're like sending us all the emails, text messages between Hilo, the FBI, and everybody else so we know really what was going on.

But it's easy for the chief to sit up here and give an interview to a podcast interviewers. write anyone after he knows he's released a name and be like, oh, I'm transparent. Now, there had to be communication. This is the reason why if you look at our subpoena, we're like sending us all the emails, text messages between Hilo, the FBI, and everybody else so we know really what was going on.

Because it's easy to get out front and say, hey, I was Mr. Transparent. You also never called me. He's calling around to the morgue and all that, making all this work for himself. And the reason why Lawson's doing that is because he knows you're going to lie.

Because it's easy to get out front and say, hey, I was Mr. Transparent. You also never called me. He's calling around to the morgue and all that, making all this work for himself. And the reason why Lawson's doing that is because he knows you're going to lie.

So, yeah, around February 7th, we hired Kramer. Now, keep in mind, too, the Hilo Police Department, when we're standing out on the courtroom steps, right, giving a press conference after Ian was exonerated in 2023, saying we're going to, you know, look for her killer and we're not going to stop. We want to find it. The Hilo Police Department also...

So, yeah, around February 7th, we hired Kramer. Now, keep in mind, too, the Hilo Police Department, when we're standing out on the courtroom steps, right, giving a press conference after Ian was exonerated in 2023, saying we're going to, you know, look for her killer and we're not going to stop. We want to find it. The Hilo Police Department also...

issued a press release saying that they have never stopped searching for unknown male number one. Mind you, they wasn't doing Jack before then. They didn't do Jack after the exoneration. They didn't go out and get Kramer. We're talking about February of 2024. Ian was exonerated in January of 2023. So a year has went by, right? They haven't done anything with the DNA, not nothing.

issued a press release saying that they have never stopped searching for unknown male number one. Mind you, they wasn't doing Jack before then. They didn't do Jack after the exoneration. They didn't go out and get Kramer. We're talking about February of 2024. Ian was exonerated in January of 2023. So a year has went by, right? They haven't done anything with the DNA, not nothing.

So we go get Kramer, and then they don't know that we have Kramer. They don't know that until February 26th when Kramer comes back and says, here should be your suspect.

So we go get Kramer, and then they don't know that we have Kramer. They don't know that until February 26th when Kramer comes back and says, here should be your suspect.

I don't know about you, but it was just like I was wrong about everybody who I thought it was. That's how I felt. It's like, God damn. I mean, I mean, I had a list. Right. And so I'm like, I mean, I mean, I was just totally wrong. Totally wrong. And you know what? Had I been on one of these people's one of my suspects, George, I would have convicted him and still been totally wrong.

I don't know about you, but it was just like I was wrong about everybody who I thought it was. That's how I felt. It's like, God damn. I mean, I mean, I had a list. Right. And so I'm like, I mean, I mean, I was just totally wrong. Totally wrong. And you know what? Had I been on one of these people's one of my suspects, George, I would have convicted him and still been totally wrong.

I was like, the emotional reaction was finally, finally we're going to find out what happened. Because it was not just we knew the name, but we knew he was living, right? And so it's like, finally, because, you know, when you work on this case for all these years, all of us, man, we used to sit around in the hip office, you know, with our students. And we, you know, did the rape happen first?

I was like, the emotional reaction was finally, finally we're going to find out what happened. Because it was not just we knew the name, but we knew he was living, right? And so it's like, finally, because, you know, when you work on this case for all these years, all of us, man, we used to sit around in the hip office, you know, with our students. And we, you know, did the rape happen first?

And then she got on a bike, right? Did she know this person? We wanted to know, why did you do this to her? You know, what happened? And so I'm really like, we're going to get some answers. You know what I mean? Because initially we kind of thought, well, since he hadn't been in the coldest, he's probably dead.

And then she got on a bike, right? Did she know this person? We wanted to know, why did you do this to her? You know, what happened? And so I'm really like, we're going to get some answers. You know what I mean? Because initially we kind of thought, well, since he hadn't been in the coldest, he's probably dead.