There's a backlash against corporate DEI efforts, and it’s not just from the right. It's everywhere. What does that mean for employees? This episode was produced by Hady Mawajdeh, edited by Miranda Kennedy, fact-checked by Melissa Hirsch, mixed by Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Jonquilyn Hill. Photo credit: jeffbergen for Getty Images. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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We've ended the journey of so-called diversity, equity and inclusion policies.
White people are the largest group of people that believe that they're discriminated against.
Everyone was like, this is a meritocracy. I never quite felt that I was a beneficiary of the so-called meritocracy.
Hey, y'all. I'm Jonquan Hill, and this is Explain It To Me, your hotline for the questions that matter most to you. You've reached the Explain It To Me hotline. You've got questions.
We've got answers. Hi, my name is Em, and when I hear about workplace and government DEI initiatives being under attack by the Trump administration... I, as a queer person, feel deeply conflicted.
On the one hand, I believe that it's incredibly important that structural inequalities in workplaces should be resolved, but I also feel deeply othered by companies with ostensibly strong DEI programs and policies. I found that the programs are often performative, and they result in organizations that say the right things instead of doing the right things. So how cynical am I being?
To get an answer to this question, I knew just who to talk to, Abdullah Fayyad.
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