US Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez was one of the few Democrats to win a swing district in the 2024 election. She explains what lessons Democrats can learn from her win and what she hopes to accomplish, even as a minority, in the 119th Congress. This episode was produced by Victoria Chamberlin and Peter Balonon-Rosen, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Patrick Boyd and Andrea Kristinsdottir, and hosted by Noel King. Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast Support Today, Explained by becoming a Vox Member today: http://www.vox.com/members Representative Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, D-Wash., after her 2022 election. Photo by Bill Clark/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What challenges did Democrats face in 2024?
The rap on the Democrats in 2024 was that they only spoke to the very rich and the very poor, so they lost the working class. But not all of them lost. Marie Glusenkamp-Perez did not just win, she won in Trump country.
Democrats work in the trades. We live in rural communities. We are not... The devil. We are your neighbors. Before being elected, I ran an auto repair and a machine shop with my husband. And we live in unincorporated Skamania County, and our son is three years old now.
Skamania County in Washington state has a national forest and a population of about 12,000 people.
We get our internet from a radio tower. We get our water from a well.
In her first term, Glustenkamp-Perez crossed the aisle to vote with Republicans on behalf of her rural and working class constituents. And she horrified some Democrats along the way. Her plans to get things done despite a Republican majority in Congress coming up on Today Explained.
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Chapter 2: How did Marie Gluesenkamp Perez win in Trump country?
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Last week, I went to Capitol Hill to talk to Representative Marie Glusenkamp-Perez, who represents Washington's 3rd District. This is a swing district. It was held by a Republican for 12 years before she won in 2022. And this time around, Donald Trump backed her opponent, Joe Kent. So I asked her, why do you think you won?
Well, I think what we want in Southwest Washington is to see our priorities and our culture reflected in Washington, D.C. We don't want a national agenda or a culture from somewhere else imported and replacing our community, our values, our priorities. And so just a real focus on what my community needs, what our values are, who we are. The district went for Trump by seven points in 16.
And this time we were able to point to my record and say like, I'm not here to play partisan football. I'm here because I see and value what we have and I know it's worth fighting for. Beyond the student loan forgiveness, I looked at the data. My district only holds 3% of the federally issued debt. This was a regressive tax policy.
If you support progressive tax strategies, you should do that consistently, not just when there's party favors. And I had people protest our auto shop.
Just to clarify for listeners who may not know, you voted against President Biden's student debt relief. People looked at you and said, a Democrat.
Oh, yeah. So they, you know, were really aggressive on our online reviews. We take real pride in the quality of work we do. And had that taken, you know, people were just bombing it who'd never been customers. hearing from my community, like, yeah, like we don't want the trades to be considered as an afterthought.
We don't want to be second fiddle and, and really challenging the idea that like academic intelligence is the thing that we should be supporting. We want good jobs that don't require a college degree. We want honors level shop class and junior high. You know, those are the things that reflect our values and our priorities. And, um, So that's how I vote.
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Chapter 3: What strategies is Marie Gluesenkamp Perez using to serve her constituents?
Like, you don't get good legislation without having people who are driving trucks and changing diapers and turning wrenches. at the table, not as an afterthought, but in the inception of the legislation.
Whether you support Donald Trump or are a critic of his, one thing that you can say he successfully did is he turned local issues national, right? Springfield, Ohio was struggling with an influx of immigrants. There is no reason that somebody in Maine or Florida or Texas should have cared at all about Springfield, Ohio. That was a local issue.
Donald Trump took that local issue, made it a national issue. Some analysts say that is what helped him win.
I think, let me think about that. Like, people want to be heard. I had a lot of people, colleagues, whatever, saying, how do we get people to understand that the economy is actually great? What do you mean to say that? This was the Democratic line. You don't. You don't. Okay. Don't do that. People are putting their groceries on a credit card.
It's like you go to Albertsons or whatever, your grocery store, and you feel like you're in a game of chicken with the CEO. Don't gaslight people. Hear them. Nobody cares about your spreadsheets. And I think that is the loyalty that needs to guide any progress, getting back to a place where we are finding the non-political ways of conveying our values.
I think people that can get their Honda Civic to 500K miles, that's cool. And when those people are regarded as the vanguard of environmentalism, I think that's progress. That is how you grow the field of people who feel real. That is how you build a coalition that can actually pass useful legislation.
The person who gets their Honda Civic to 500,000 miles, as you said, is not usually identified as like, wow, that person's a great environmentalist. It's like, oh, that person is broke, right? And that's why they've run their car at a half a million miles. Good for them.
But do you think there's a kind of snobbery within the Democratic Party where maybe the heroes that the party's choosing are the wrong heroes?
Well, what I've seen being here is that, I mean, it feels like everybody is under 40 and has like at least two degrees. And, you know, that's not what the country looks like. That's not what the value system of merit is everywhere. Do you mean over 40 and has two degrees? Under 40. Okay, you feel like Washington Congress is young, right?
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Chapter 4: How does Marie Gluesenkamp Perez view the role of local issues in national politics?
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I'm Noelle King with Sarah Binder. She teaches political science at GWU. She's a fellow at Brookings. All right, Sarah, for the next two years, Democrats will be the minority in the House and the Senate. They will try to get things done anyway. Are there moments in the past where you can look back and say, dang, the minority really pulled that off?
George W. Bush in 2005, beginning of his second term, he and his administration is proposing to privatize Social Security.
Give younger workers the option of putting a portion of their payroll taxes into a voluntary personal retirement account.
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Chapter 5: What is the importance of community representation in legislation?
OK, so in the first half of the show, we talked to a young congresswoman who kind of made her name by crossing over the aisle. She's a Democrat and voting with Republicans. And the think pieces that have been written about her suggest that, oh, my God, she's a traitor. How could she do this? I think what I hear you saying is once upon a time, it wasn't that way. It hasn't always been that way.
We've had periods of time where within the Democratic Party, there were conservatives and there were liberals. We've had periods of time in the past where we had in the Republican Party, conservatives and liberals, right? We don't even have the term anymore, liberal Republicans, but liberals. We had them.
Chapter 6: How does Marie Gluesenkamp Perez plan to work as a minority in Congress?
We usually put this period roughly mid-late 1940s and then petering out by the 1980s into the early 1990s. Who were the liberal Republicans? Senator Jacob Javits from New York.
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He was a Republican, right? Senator Durenberger, a liberal Republican from the state of Minnesota.
Four years ago, you elected me to represent you in the United States Senate. I promised to stay in touch with you, that I'd represent your views, and above all, that I'd be myself.
In his later years, Durenberger criticized what he called his Republican Party's hard swing to the right. And he endorsed Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden for president.
And on the same token, we've had conservative Democrats, right? Even in the 1940s and 50s, we would say, right, segregationist Democrats, conservatives in the Democratic Party.
These damnable proposals he has recommended under the guise of so-called civil rights. And I tell you, the American people from one side or the other had better wake up and oppose such a program.
Today's parties just don't look like that. But we do see these bipartisan pairs. I think it's important to get below the surface of where most of the spotlight is. You do see, not on big major bills, right? A bipartisan pair is not going to reform and fix Social Security, right? But a bipartisan pair might deal with a special problem in an agricultural office. Loans aren't going through.
Subsidies aren't working, right? So there is room for bipartisanship, but oftentimes there are a lot of incentives not to work with the other team.
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