Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Don't get this flu. If you're a close listener of this podcast, you may have noticed that last week, I didn't quite sound like myself. Max grew up to write about... Sorry. I didn't realize it at the time, but I had the flu. and COVID simultaneously. But the real turning point came as Junior... I'm sorry. It wasn't just me. It was like the entire team got sick. Cold, flu, even norovirus.
And we work remotely, so we did not get it from each other. It's everywhere. Well, flu cases in the U.S. are now at their highest levels on record. That's going back to the late 90s. Roughly 11 million cases reported, 5,000 deaths. In fact, 45 states tonight now reporting very high or high flu activity. The thing is, we've done this before, literally every year.
And yet, here we are in 2026, plagued again. I'm Jonquan Hill. It's Explain It To Me from Vox. And today, why this cold and flu season is so bad and how to come out healthy on the other side. First up, we need to understand why everyone is getting sick right now. Hi, I'm Caitlin Chattelina. I am an epidemiologist and a scientific communicator. She confirmed.
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Chapter 2: Why is everyone getting sick right now?
Alas, my flu-COVID combos, not that special. No, it is not. This is what we typically see every winter is just this rise in respiratory viruses, whether it's the common cold or the flu or COVID or RSV. And there's a number of reasons for that, but some of those reasons include cold weather really causes viruses to spread very quickly, as well as social events.
We're seeing a lot of people we don't typically see. And the third reason is that these viruses just keep mutating. Which flu viruses are circulating right now? Like, what are the viruses going around? Yeah, so flu specifically, it's a very interesting year. And us epidemiologists are a little concerned that this year is going to be worse than previous years.
And that's because one strain of the flu, it's called influenza A, H3N2. It's like an alphabet soup. But flu mutated over the summer as it spread through Australia and the southern hemisphere. And specifically, it shifted from a J subclade to a K subclade. And this is the incremental change that happened when this virus spread.
This year, the subclade K strain of the flu has already caused severe outbreaks in other countries, including Canada, the UK, and Japan, where it was declared an epidemic. It causes the same flu symptoms, like fever, chills, aches, and chest pain, that doctors see every year. But those symptoms could be more severe. You know, mutations are normal for the flu.
In fact, flu is infamous for quick, unpredictable curveballs. Flu can change in two ways. One is it's called a shift, which is a major overhaul that happens when two different flu viruses infect the same cell, swap genetic material and create a new virus. This type of shift can like spark a pandemic because our immune systems have never seen that version of the virus before.
That is not what we have. What we have this winter is called a drift. And this means there's like a smaller incremental change that happens as the virus spreads. It shouldn't trigger panic. But what it does mean is that our current vaccines will likely recognize some, but not all of this updated virus. It's just simply bad luck that H3N2 evolved recently.
so much in the months before our season really took off. And so together, these factors mean that the virus will be better at slipping past both vaccines as well as our prior immunity. And that translates into more cases and more severe disease among those at highest risk. OK, this makes sense because, you know, I get vaccinated. I got the flu shot.
I still got sick with covid and flu at the same time. And I was just like, I at least got a vaccine for one of these things. I thought I prepared myself. You did. And I will say, like, I want to be very clear that vaccination still matters. Right. We're far from powerless, even though you got the flu shot. It's not designed to protect against infection.
It's designed to prevent against hospitalization and you dying. And given that we're doing this podcast, you didn't die. So it did some of its work. It still means it'll be miserable and it's not fun, but it can help in that sense. So for people who didn't get a flu shot, is it too late now? Like, do they just have to wait this season out with their fingers crossed?
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Chapter 3: What are the current flu strains causing outbreaks?
I'm going to set the thermostat to a higher setting because your immune system works better when it's hotter. And so that is just a way that your body is trying to fight the virus. Now, if that gets out of control and you get a very high fever, that can be quite damaging in itself. Our immune systems are not perfect. They're amazing, but they can also cause us a lot of harm too.
And so you may hear about viruses that cause really severe inflammation in the lungs that leads to pneumonia. This can happen with COVID and it can happen with influenza. It can actually sometimes happen with colds too. So A lot of what we feel when we are infected with a virus is just our body doing its level best to win the fight.
You know, we were just hearing about the latest strain of influenza and that viruses mutate every year. How do they do that? And how does one strain become dominant over all these others? Viruses in general just mutate a lot. They do not have the kind of proofreading systems that our own cells have, so that when they make new genes, that they can correct errors.
So when our cells produce new viruses, it's a very sloppy process. And so a lot of mistakes get introduced. Now that means that a lot of these new viruses that you produce when you have a cold or the flu, a lot of them are so badly mutated that they're basically a dead end. And then there will be others that are fine even with these mutations.
And then there will be a few, maybe, that actually do a better job. They actually have a mutation that helps them, you know, to bind more tightly to proteins on the surface of cells that improves their ability to get inside a new cell and infect. And so through these processes, you produce these mutations.
incredible diversities of influenza viruses and like we're seeing right now one of them turns out to be really good and just better than the others and it is just spreading like wildfire. We complain about the flu every year, but this is a very, very old problem, right? Viruses have been around ever since humans have been around.
And in fact, viruses were probably around at the origin of life itself around 4 billion years ago. Because bacteria get viruses. And when scientists study the genetic sequence of these viruses that infect bacteria and compare them to the bacteria themselves and so on, they can see that these are ancient, ancient lineages. So viruses are much, much older than we are.
Why haven't we been able to find a cure for the common cold or the flu if they've been around so long? Well, I think because they've been around so long, that's one reason that we are struggling to find really effective treatments or really, really effective vaccines. They are exquisitely optimized for evolving and evading vaccines. our immune systems. But there is no cold vaccine.
And the reason for that is that if you can even find a recipe for a vaccine for one particular kind of cold virus, for example, the diversity of cold viruses is just vast. It's so vast. So you might be able to prime the immune system to fight against one strain, let's say, of cold virus, but there's so many others that the vaccine won't work against.
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Chapter 4: How do mutations impact the flu virus each season?
We've been trying to understand how our bodies fight this virus. And one of the really interesting thing that's come out of better testing for viruses is that not everybody who gets a common cold virus in their nose actually gets sick. Only about half of the time do people who get those cold viruses even get sick.
So one of the things that my lab is really interested in is what goes right when you get one of these viruses in your body, but you don't get sick. Yeah. You know, one of the things you've studied is how immune systems respond to viruses and then what our immune systems learn from those viruses. Can you tell me a little bit more about that? Yeah, sure.
So probably now after the pandemic, most people are familiar with the way that the immune system remembers viruses you've been previously exposed to. So that's what vaccines do. What vaccines do is they protect you against viruses by showing your immune system the size and shape of that virus so it recognizes it and blocks it the next time it's exposed to.
So that's one type of immune response called adaptive immunity. But there's also another type of immune response called innate immunity. And it's called innate because it's what we're born with. Like even babies are born being able to sense and defend against viruses they've never seen before.
But for all of human evolution, viruses have been a huge, huge thing that our body has evolved to protect against. During the height of the pandemic, we took all these steps to not get sick. I'm wondering how those measures impacted our immunity generally. Yeah, well, that's really interesting. A lot of viruses stopped circulating for about a year during the pandemic, including the flu.
And it's probably because the flu and COVID were transmitted in a very similar way, you know? So by using the masks and hand washing and all that, we stopped transmitting the flu. And another very important virus that is very bad for babies called RSV, it just completely stopped circulating during the pandemic.
So then when daycares and all these things opened up again, you had a whole extra year of babies that had not been exposed to RSV, and their bodies had no memory immunity of RSV. So all of the sudden, when everything reopened again, within a few months, we had tons of babies getting RSV.
And it was because you had a whole backlog of a whole extra year of babies that hadn't been exposed to that virus. Interestingly, rhinoviruses kept going around. Rhinoviruses are the one virus that didn't go away. They kept going around even during the pandemic. Oh, man. Wow. It's like colds feel unstoppable. I don't know what it is. They're unstoppable. They're a very successful virus.
But what's really interesting is that with better ways of detecting these viruses, we now know that often we don't get sick when we get one of those. So that's what we need to figure out is why is it that sometimes we don't get sick when we get those viruses? And how can we make that happen more often?
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