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Chapter 1: What recent events led to Xi and Putin's meeting in Beijing?
This is The Guardian. It's almost Xi trying to show he can meet the world's top leaders whenever he likes. Everyone sort of wants a piece of him. There's no doubt that Beijing is really revelling in this now that China is having this moment on the sort of diplomatic stage. China definitely has the upper hand on this occasion. And I think both parties know that. Xi knows that. Putin knows that.
Xi Jinping has welcomed Vladimir Putin to Beijing just days after hosting Donald Trump. But with an increasing power imbalance between the pair, has the relationship between Russia and China changed? From The Guardian's Today In Focus, this is The Latest with me, Lucy Hough. I'm joined by Devika Bhatt, the Guardian's Deputy Head of International News.
Chapter 2: How has the power dynamics shifted between China and Russia?
Thanks for joining us, Devika. So this morning, we've been seeing all these scenes of pomp and pageantry in Beijing as Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, has travelled to China for, I think, the 25th time. And he and Xi Jinping have had more than 40 meetings in the past. Talk about the optics of this meeting, because it's in the exact same location that Donald Trump was in just a few days ago.
Yeah, thanks for having me, Lucy. Yes, as you say, Trump was there just last week. And this visit has come hot off the heels of that, probably much to Trump's chagrin, I'd suspect. And yes, the optics and the theatre of it feels very, very similar. So, you know...
There's been the honor guard and a gun salute, which Trump got to, cheering children, you know, waving, in this case, Russian and Chinese flags, a marching band. And, you know, alongside the kind of formal talks and the sort of handshakes, there's going to be background discussions behind the scenes, which, again, we sort of saw with the Trump visit.
You know, and the optics will be watched especially closely for this sort of compare and contrast opportunity it gives us.
But the relationships are very different. So let's talk about that, because I mean, these are two strong men who've been seen as being very much allies on the global stage. I think Xi Jinping has described Putin as his best and most intimate friend, slightly disquietingly. But has that shifted in recent years, do you think?
And perhaps this year, given how much turmoil we're seeing and in light, of course, of Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
Yes, I think so.
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Chapter 3: What role does China want to play on the global diplomatic stage?
So yeah, it's absolutely the case that unlike Trump and Xi, this is a kind of really historic relationship that goes back for years and years, and they share a lot in common. They're both sort of autocratic strongmen who've managed to maintain power for years and years. Again, you know, one suspects Trump might look on that quite jealously. And so there's a pre-existing relationship here.
And this trip feels a lot more about, from the Chinese point of view anyway, working out how to sort of leverage that relationship in a kind of useful way. Now that China is having this moment on the diplomatic stage now. that it's long kind of sought, it's long wanted to be seen as the sort of seat, the center of power of global diplomacy in a way it's not really had the opportunity to before.
And I think, you know, there's a big sense now that although there is this relationship with Russia, China will want to really think about how it uses that to its advantage. The fact that the two visits come so closely together, it's almost Xi trying to show he can meet the world's top leaders whenever he likes. Everyone sort of wants a piece of him.
Yeah, and striking to see the optics of all this pomp and pageantry and this display of military and economic heft from China. Also striking that Xi Jinping has said this quote that the world risks regressing into the law of the jungle. I mean, striking that China would be advocating the rules based international order and kind of seeming a bit like the adult in the room.
Yes. And I think, you know, there's no doubt that Beijing is really reveling in this moment. It sort of gets to say that because of the war in Iran and because of the war in Ukraine. It gets to sort of relish this role that it can kind of seek to play as a sort of global player in diplomacy. There's been no sort of direct mention of the US.
Xi has sort of warned of unilateral and hegemonic countercurrents running rampant in the international system. And he also sort of said, as you say, the world faces the danger of reverting to the law of the jungle.
And Putin, interestingly, has kind of made a big thing of Russian and Chinese cooperation on the world stage and said that that's one of the key stabilizing factors in the world, which again, feels ironic, given the war in Ukraine.
But you know, some might say that we're in a position where the US's actions have sort of enabled both of them to say this, not with a straight face, because it still seems ridiculous, But when the US is also now a volatile player, it has sort of enabled Xi to position himself in this kind of way.
Yeah, and perhaps as the sort of leading strongman superpower of this strange new world that we're living in. But in terms of the dynamic between these two men, Putin and Xi, meeting today, there's a sense that they've previously met as equals, but that on this occasion, things are very much working in China's favour. They're signing a number of deals on tech and trade, particularly this
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Chapter 4: How do Xi and Putin's relationships differ from past interactions?
Because, I mean, they've met several times before, dozens of times before, but this meeting under particular scrutiny and has particular consequences for the rest of the world.
Yeah, I think that's right. I think the world is in a really kind of perilous state at the moment with these wars we are seeing, with the way the US has become such a volatile player and has proven time and time again it really cannot be relied upon in a way Europe might have once hoped.
And so pursuing the relationship with China, Europe has made clear is very important because it needs to be friends with other big bullies in the playground, if you like. And I think this visit highlights that there are all sorts of problems in being friends with China.
You know, as we've we've talked about, we know that there's been this tacit support behind the scenes from which, of course, Europe has. will be deeply uneasy about given the war in Ukraine happening on Europe's very doorstep. And Ukraine itself is probably looking at this very closely too.
Yeah. Well, Devika, fascinating. Thank you so much for your time.
Not at all. Thanks for having me.
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