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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is The Guardian.
Today, 10 years on, Kim Ledbeater on the murder of her sister, the MP Jo Cox.
On the 16th of June, we were at home and we were about to watch football. But I'd taken my car in for an MOT and I was trying to be all healthy and I ran down to collect my car from the garage. And just as I arrived at the garage, my phone rung and I got the call saying that Joe had been attacked.
Reports of a stabbing, reports of a shooting in Burstall near Leeds. And we do know that the Labour MP Joe Cox has been injured. She has been airlifted to hospital in Leeds, still awaiting...
Chapter 2: What happened on the day Jo Cox was murdered?
And to be quite honest, I don't remember a great deal after that moment. I remember I started shaking and I just couldn't stop shaking. And instinctively, I knew this was not good. And I don't know if that's a sister thing. I don't know if it's just an instinct thing. I don't know what it was, but I just knew straight away.
I remember saying to my partner, who was saying, as people do, it's going to be okay, it's going to be okay. And I just remember saying, I just don't think it's going to be okay. And I sort of knew.
Just before one o'clock today, Jo Cox, MP for Batley and Spenborough, was attacked in Market Street, Burstall. I am now very sad to have to report that she has died as a result of her injuries. Before going into further detail, I would like to express our deepest sympathies to her family and friends at this tragic time.
To be honest, I probably don't remember a huge amount about the next six to 12 months because it's all a bit of a blur. And I think your body and your mind just go into autopilot. They go into self-protection, self-preservation. We obviously had to deal with the first few days, weeks and months. And look, everybody loses people. We all have our own experiences of death and loss and bereavement.
But what happened to Jo was just unbelievably horrific and so incredibly public that literally within hours, the world's media descended on Burstel and us as a family.
Jo Cox was a Labour MP for Batley & Spen, the place she'd grown up and known her whole life. She was firmly pro-Europe. a passionate campaigner for social justice and the mother of two young children who were five and three years old. On the 16th of June 2016, at the height of a toxic Brexit campaign, Jo was murdered by a far-right extremist.
He shot and stabbed her several times outside Burstall Library in West Yorkshire, shouting, this is for Britain. She was 41 years old.
And all I remember thinking was, I've just got to look after my mum and dad and do whatever I can for Jo's kids during that time. And for our community, because, you know, people talk about us as a family, but our whole community was literally shaken by what happened to Jo. And so many people were impacted by that day, not just us.
The shopkeepers, the witnesses, the people who were there, the people who'd worked with Jo while she was an MP, people who, you know, we hadn't heard from for years, saw it on the news. So we ended up doing this massive press conference in Bristol And this was me, like I'd never done anything like that before in my life.
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Chapter 3: How did Jo's murder affect Kim and her family?
And we were just sort of starting to get into that routine.
Do you remember the last time you spoke to her and what you guys talked about?
Yeah. So I saw her, I think it was the week before and she came around to our house and she turned up and she was knackered and stressed and rushing around and crazy. And she came into the house and she never had any clothes. She used to forget things. She was just dashing around like crazy.
So she put one of my hoodies on and she was tiny and she just snuggled up in our armchair and we just chatted and talked. And when she left to go back to the place that she had She said, oh, let me give you your hoodie back. And I said, no, no, it's fine. Just give me it next time you see me. And then I didn't see her again after that.
Kim, it's difficult to recall that sort of exact chronology of that period of the Brexit campaign, and it has been 10 years, but what do you remember about what things were like when it all kicked off and how involved Jo was in that Remain campaign?
There was a really sort of febrile atmosphere at the time.
And I wasn't involved directly in any of the campaigning around Brexit.
I had a few very honest conversations with Jo about it because Jo was a very strong Remainer. And she said, look, you know, whatever else you think, this is not going to be good for our country economically. And I think that's probably how things have played out. And she was heavily involved in the campaign.
I mean, I was sorting through some things recently and I found some of the things that she had with her on the day she was killed and her Better In t-shirt was in there, crumpled up in her bag, which I hadn't sort of been near for 10 years. She'd been out campaigning that morning in the constituency to remain. But the atmosphere around it was just It just wasn't a good feeling.
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Chapter 4: Who was Jo Cox and what were her beliefs?
Most people are somewhere in the middle, you know, weighing things up. But sadly, the media often, social media particularly, pushes us to the extremes and it pushes us to take a position. And that is really dangerous. But it's easier, and it's easier for some politicians to say to people, it's simple, just pick a side. And actually, I can't think of many issues in life where it is simple.
Kim, Jo's murder was obviously shocking. And after her death, there was this cross-party call for a calm and kinder politics. However, the very next day after she'd been killed, the Leave campaign launched this widely condemned poster.
I don't know if you remember the one that showed this line of brown men with the words breaking point and a photo of Nigel Farage imposed at the front demanding we take back control of our borders. How did you process what was happening in the week leading up to that Brexit vote?
I mean, again, after Joe's murder, I probably wasn't processing very much at all. So I have a recollection of that kind of climate and that environment. And I do remember that particular poster. But again, that feeds into what we were just saying. That isn't what Brexit was ever about. And people were made to think it was, rightly or wrongly. And they were making decisions differently.
on information that I don't believe was accurate, it just wasn't. And the 350 million pounds on the side of the bus for the NHS was another example of that, and that's never happened. So I don't mind whatever opinions people hold, that's absolutely their prerogative, but Let's have informed opinions based on facts.
I mean, facts sort of went out of the window at that time. Experts were completely derided. And that's just got worse.
I mean, that has got worse. I've read so many things that are just not true, just not accurate. But once it's out there, it's out there. And the question is what we can do about that. And that, I suppose, is my focus looking forward to the next sort of 10 years, how we can pull back from that misinformation, disinformation, polarisation, and what responsibility we've all got to play in that.
Were you shocked by the result? How did you feel when it came in?
I mean, again, I didn't really know what day it was at that time. I probably wasn't shocked because... You know, I was in an area where there was a lot of people who were clearly going to vote to leave. Right. And maybe there was some complacency within the Remain campaign that, oh, it'll all be all right in the end. I mean, looking back, there was quite a bit of complacency, wasn't there? Yeah.
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