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Today with David McCullagh

Donald Trump pauses project Freedom

06 May 2026

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Chapter 1: Why is the US pausing its operation in the Strait of Hormuz?

0.031 - 19.641 David McCullagh

Next, though, Donald Trump says the US is pausing its operation to guide stranded ships through the Strait of Hormuz. In a social media post, the US president says the pause will last for a short period of time to see if a peace deal with Iran can be finalised. He also says that the US's blockade of Iran's ports will continue.

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19.821 - 41.527 David McCullagh

Iranian state media hailed the move as a victory, saying Trump has retreated. It follows the U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio saying yesterday that the offensive stage of the Iran war is over and that the U.S. had achieved its objectives. For more on what happens next, I'm joined by Roland Oliphant, The Telegraph's chief foreign analyst. Roland, good morning to you.

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42.628 - 43.229 Roland Oliphant

Good morning.

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Chapter 2: What does Trump's decision mean for US-Iran relations?

43.829 - 50.997 David McCullagh

How are we to interpret this? Is this an example of taco, Trump always chickens out, or is there a reason for what he's done?

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51.702 - 70.624 Roland Oliphant

I mean, I think the immediate probable cause of this U-turn is that it was coming very close to restarting a full-scale shooting war. So he started this Project Freedom, this kind of escort mission to get all those trapped tankers and cargo ships and what have you out of the Persian Gulf just on Monday.

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70.665 - 93.367 Roland Oliphant

And it only really got, I think it only got one or two ships out, but the cost was a sudden escalation in Iranian strikes on, on shipping and vessels and American retaliation. And by kind of yesterday, we're all saying kind of, you know, we are one step away from a full resumption of hostilities.

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94.328 - 101.942 Roland Oliphant

So my guess would be the reason Trump said, okay, let's pause this now, is because he just doesn't want to go back to war.

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103.019 - 117.417 David McCullagh

Okay, but it seems to have taken everybody by surprise, including members of his own cabinet, particularly Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, and Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defence. Trump's announcements sort of undercut what they'd been saying all day yesterday.

Chapter 3: How did Trump's announcement surprise his cabinet members?

118.578 - 140.474 Roland Oliphant

Yes, no, I mean, you're not wrong at all. I mean, both of those men were briefing very carefully and in very coordinated language that this operation is going to continue, that it's separate to the war fighting that was going on before, that it's a defence reparation. They used the same kind of terminology. They both talked about a bubble.

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141.556 - 161.53 Roland Oliphant

So it was kind of they were going to put warships around the strait that could create a safe area for shipping to pass through. And their kind of signalling was entirely that, you know, this is going to go on and we're not going to back off from this and so on. So Trump's U-turn, very sudden.

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161.55 - 175.787 Roland Oliphant

I imagine, though, that it did come down to that question because I think yesterday, when we were analysing this and talking about this in the paper, we realised that if America is going to carry on down that course...

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Chapter 4: What are the potential consequences of Trump's U-turn?

176.172 - 184.7 Roland Oliphant

It did look like an inevitable kind of ratchet up to a full scale war because they were going to have to retaliate when the Iranians attack these ships.

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184.98 - 196.632 David McCullagh

OK, so the converse of that is that President Trump has called it off. So does that lure Iran back to the negotiating table? Is there a deal to be done by this stage?

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197.633 - 216.862 Roland Oliphant

Well, funnily enough, just as I was waiting to join the show, I was just checking the wires and they're just flashing red. This story that the White House believes it's getting close to an agreement with Iran on a one-page memorandum of understanding to end the war. And it's a framework also for more detailed nuclear negotiations. There's no more confirmation of that.

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217.723 - 233.669 Roland Oliphant

It looks to me like the Americans kind of have three options here. One is a limited deal to reopen the Strait, which would mean the Americans lift their blockade of Iranian ports in exchange for the Iranians ceasing their blockade of the Strait of Hormuz.

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Chapter 5: How might upcoming meetings with China influence the situation?

233.99 - 252.185 Roland Oliphant

The drawback of that, of course, is it leaves the main issue, the nuclear issue, unresolved. He could hang tough and maintain a blockade of Iranian ports, hold out for a comprehensive deal. But that could take a very long time. The strait would stay closed and the world economy is going to go into a nosedive. Or the third option is go back to full-scale war, which he clearly doesn't want to do.

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252.205 - 270.642 Roland Oliphant

It looks to me at this moment like he's going for the first option, which is a narrow deal, reopen the strait, and then have some talks about the nuclear issue that may get resolved further down the line. But, of course, that's exactly where we were before this all started a month and a half ago.

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270.706 - 282.879 David McCullagh

OK, next week, I think there is due to be a meeting between President Trump and the Chinese President Xi Jinping. How important is that? And China obviously is an ally of Iran.

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Chapter 6: What are the implications of China's stance on the US-Iran conflict?

282.939 - 287.304 David McCullagh

So how does that meeting fit into all this diplomatic manoeuvre?

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289.206 - 312.746 Roland Oliphant

I think that meeting, I believe, was already put back because of the war. And the sense was that Donald Trump wanted to go to Xi Jinping and see Xi Jinping after he'd wrapped this up. looking strong, looking like he had a victory in his pocket. It looks like he's going to go there with a bit of an unsatisfactory fudge in his pocket rather than showing up looking incredibly strong.

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313.647 - 332.566 Roland Oliphant

The Iranian foreign minister is in Beijing today, actually. The Chinese have put out a statement saying they want an immediate ceasefire right now. The Americans and the Iranians have to sit down and start talking and that the American-Israeli attack was completely unjustified. So we know exactly how the message that the Chinese will push onto the Americans.

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333.327 - 339.197 Roland Oliphant

And that's what Donald Trump is going to have to reckon with when he sits down with Xi Jinping.

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339.217 - 345.988 David McCullagh

OK, Roland Olyphant, chief foreign analyst with The Daily Telegraph. Thank you so much for joining us this morning.

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