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Chapter 1: What are the current priorities for EU enlargement?
EU expansion is top of the agenda as Ireland assumes the rotating presidency of the Council of the European Union on the 1st of July. There are ongoing accession talks with Ukraine and Moldova and long-standing applications in the Western Balkans.
Meanwhile, local political pressure is mounting here over the enforcement of sanctions on Russia, specifically regarding Limerick's Ornish alumina plant. I'm joined now in studio... by the European Commissioner for Enlargement, Marta Koss, who's visiting Dublin. Commissioner, good morning to you. Thanks for coming in.
We'll talk about what countries might be next on the list in a moment, but I wanted to start with Ukraine because that geopolitically perhaps is the most significant candidate country. And I know you're just back from Kiev and they are very, very keen on joining the EU.
Indeed, you know, the war in Ukraine has changed so much in the enlargement process. Again, enlargement is a top priority. And Ukraine applying for the EU membership has also brought new energy in the accession process of the Western Balkans. So Ukraine, of course, wants to become a member of the EU as soon as possible.
But there are rules, you know, you can't become in one night or in one month or in one year. So it's a long process. So We have to find a solution how to gap the geopolitical needs, especially when we talk about the security of Europe on one hand, and on the other hand, the merit-based principle.
And are they making progress? Because there's all sorts of rules about the economy, rules about corruption, particularly that might have been problematic for them. Are they making progress?
Yes, they are. You know, they actually are working in the connection with the EU on three levels. First is fighting the war, which is also fighting for us. The second level is doing the transformation of the society. and economy. And the third part is accession process. And this is very much connected. Yes, indeed, even if the bombs are falling on Ukraine, they are advancing.
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Chapter 2: How is the war in Ukraine affecting EU accession talks?
Sometimes it is not easy. You know, the parliament is being there for six years. Sometimes they deliver. Sometimes it's difficult to deliver. But general trend is positive. But still a lot to be done, especially on the areas what you have mentioned, anti-corruption.
There is talk in Brussels and around other European capitals about some kind of phased membership. And obviously, the candidate countries are looking askance at that because they are worried about some kind of a two-tier Europe developing. I mean, is that what's on the cards?
It is clear to all of us that you can only become a member once you implement all the reforms or fulfill all the conditions. And this takes time. On the other hand, we have some instruments where we can include the candidate countries earlier in our system, like Roaming or CEPA. So we are now discussing, are there any areas where we could use the enhanced gradual integration?
But being a member will be only possible once the candidates are really, really doing everything we ask of them.
There also is the small fact that Ukraine is embroiled in a war at the moment. And I mean, would EU membership be possible while the war is still continuing? Would it be possible before there is some certainty and finality about where the border lies?
Indeed, this is the question we will have to ask at least once we will be on the edge of Ukraine entering the EU. We are not that yet, and I hope that we will find a solution. Our European Union has a good, good way of handling the most problematic issues when necessary, so I hope we will be able to solve this too.
OK, but other members might be nervous about full membership for a country that's at war.
Indeed, not just because of this part, also because it is a huge country. It is agriculture, so nothing to compare with the frontrunner we have for the time being, which is Montenegro.
Okay, we're going to talk about Montenegro in a moment. Just from your, you're heavily engaged in the process with Ukraine, you've been watching it closely. I mean, is there any kind of a timescale that could be put on possible membership?
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Chapter 3: What progress is Ukraine making towards EU membership?
And the other Western Balkan nation, I suppose the people talk about is Serbia. And given presumably the same things apply, they have to do their homework and everything. But is there a worry with Serbia that it leans towards Russia and that allowing Serbia into the club might repeat some of the problems we saw recently with Hungary?
Indeed, David, you have just mentioned the biggest difference which we see among the Western Balkan candidates. All the other candidates' alignments with the European foreign and security policy is 100%. And with Serbia, it's around 60%. It will not be possible that you are sitting two or even three seats, meaning Russia, China or EU. Serbia at some point will have to decide that.
where it's placed. There is a place for Serbia in the EU, but they will have to change their attitudes towards us.
Okay. The other one who could be on the cards is Iceland.
Indeed. If the citizens will say yes at the referendum at the end of August, oh, I would be very happy to have Iceland in my portfolio because this could be the fastest accession process ever since Iceland is already a part of the common market and Schengen. But let's wait what the citizens would say. I'm positive because I see movement.
I also see movement on the other side of the opponents who do not want Iceland to come back to the accession process. But it's important to know this is only the referendum. If Iceland would come back to the accession process, it is not about the membership yet.
Okay, so it would start the process, but it would still take some time. You mentioned the former 28th member of the EU, our nearest neighbours, Britain. And there is some talk in Britain now about possibly at some stage thinking about rejoining the EU. If they did that because they're a former member, would there be a fast track entry for them or would they have to go through the whole process?
So I'm happy to see the numbers in some surveys that more than 50% of people would be happy to come back. But if they would decide to come back, they would have to start from zero, meaning they would have to apply for the EU membership. The EU member states would have to give their candidate status back. Only then me and my team would be able to do the technical work.
So this is the difference with Iceland. Iceland is still having the candidate status. So we could technically go on. For UK, we would have to have a green light from EU 2017.
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Chapter 4: Is there a possibility of phased EU membership for candidate countries?
We'll lure them in. I wanted to ask you about the controversy over Ohanish Illumina. You'll be aware your colleague, Kaya Callas, the foreign policy chief, was in Dublin the other day. And she was talking with the Taoiseach about it. Is the commission worried that alumina from Ireland is being used to prop up the Russian war machine?
You know, we are concerned, and I can understand also why your citizens are concerned. Nobody wants to see that products from Europe are being parts of the Russian war machine, killing people in Ukraine. But as our HRVP, Kayakala, said, let's wait for the results of the investigation. I think that there are many... numbers cursing around. We don't know what is the truth and what not.
It's first we have to know how really how much is going if it's going to Russia and then we will see.
Okay and if it is there would be a problem.
You know, we have to know what we want, and it is not automatically whatever is done in this company bad. We have many companies in Europe which are in the hands of Russians. We just have to see how these ways are, and I hope we will be able to know more very soon.
Okay. As I said, Ireland takes over the EU presidency on the 1st of July. From your perspective, what do you hope to see achieved in that six months?
I think this is a good sign for us. We have, especially in my Slovenia, so many good memories on your presidency because during your presidency the Big Bang happened and 10 countries, this was the biggest enlargement at all.
So I am in touch with your ministers, with your government for the last few months and I'm encouraged when I see how well prepared they are and especially because they want to give enlargement process a special place. Generally, not just the government, also the citizens of Ireland are very much in favour of the enlargement processes. Why do we need a strong presidency?
For instance, in the enlargement process we can be as much as successful in the technical part if the presidency is not moving on in the council. With the process, we can't move at all. So this could be one of the best presidencies speaking about my portfolio. For instance, since the new commission in 18 months, we have done more in the enlargement than in the previous 15 years.
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