Going to the polls - Makerfield by election
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Why is Makerfield significant in the current political landscape?
Little more than a month ago, most people in Britain had never heard of Makerfield, let alone know where it was on a map. But that all changed on the 14th of May when the MP for Makerfield announced he was stepping down and it became the focus of huge political and media attention. Josh Simmons had only been the area's Labour MP since the landslide general election of 2024. He stood aside to give Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham a route back into Parliament in order to let Burnham have a tilt at his party's leadership to seize the keys of 10 Downing Street from a Prime Minister whose popularity has plummeted. So what's going to happen today? Lucy Fisher is Whitehall editor at the Financial Times.
She joins me now. Morning, Lucy.
Good morning.
Just on the mechanics of it, the count will begin shortly after polls close around 10pm. When can we expect a result?
It's as clear as mud at the moment. Briefings have suggested it could be as early as 2am or as late as 5am. But as ever, particularly if it is a tight contest, recounts could delay things. So we'll have to wait and see. Certainly by the time of people having their breakfast tomorrow, the results should be very clear.
Now, this was always going to be a challenge for Burnham, given that Nigel Farage's Reform UK won all of the council seats that are in this constituency in the recent local elections. Polls have suggested he is leading over reforms candidate Robert Kenyon. It's not a done deal, though, is it?
It's not a done deal. I myself spent two days in the seat last week and found many reform voters on the ground. I also met many Restore voters. And of course, not to say, you know, my, you know, 48 hours there was scientific. But there is this expectation potentially that Restore could split the right wing bloc. and therefore allow Burnham to come through the middle. As you say, you know, Reform won all the council seats there just last month. So it will be a big gamble paying off for Burnham if he wins to show that, you know, his personal brand and popularity can massively boost the Labour Party. And we expect, you know, if he can win locally, he will then use that argument to say, I can beat Reform in a constituency and make me leader and I'll do the same with the country.
Yeah, the Renew thing is really interesting because Renew seems to want to do to Nigel Farage what Farage did to the Conservatives. If it does cost reform the seat, in effect, does that mean that it will drag reform to the right? And in turn, does that mean the Tories get dragged to the right as well?
Well, look, I think that is a big question. What happens to reform after today if they lose? Because it will also be the third by-election in a row that they have lost, which is out of whack with the national polling, where they are at least 10 points clear of the next party in the average of the polls. So whether Nigel Farage looks to sort of tack rightward towards Rupert Lowe's Restore, remains to be seen. We know that in the past week, Farage has called for an overhaul of reform social media policy.
What are the implications of Andy Burnham's candidacy in Makerfield?
They clearly think that Rupert Lowe's party is better at landing its message online and they need to up their game given that's where so many people are getting their information from.
Now, Andy Burnham is in the slightly odd situation where he's running as a Labour candidate, obviously, but it's pretty clear that a vote for him is a vote against Keir Starmer, his own party leader and prime minister. It is odd, but it shows how unpopular Starmer is.
Well, it does. And, you know, in many ways, it's extraordinary that things have unravelled for Starmer quite so quickly. It's less than two years since he won that famous majority in the House of Commons. And now his own parliamentary party, you know, many of them have gone over the parapet, about a quarter of them calling for him to go or at least to set out a timetable for his transition. And, you know, we're all braced to see if there could be more resignations, even from the cabinet over the weekend or in
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