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Today with David McCullagh

How secure is our food supply chain?

21 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What warning did the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization give about food price inflation?

0.031 - 22.199 David McCullagh

Spikes in food price inflation later in the year could result in a global agri-food disaster. That's the stark warning from the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization about what could happen if ships don't start moving through the Strait of Hormuz. FAO Chief Economist Maximo Torero said that the clock is ticking. So how secure is our food chain?

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22.84 - 39.805 David McCullagh

And are we going to see restrictions on what's available in our supermarkets? I'm joined on the line... by Dr Peter Alexander, Senior Lecturer in Global Food Security at the University of Edinburgh and by Dr Oliver Moore from the Centre for Cooperative Studies in University College Cork. Good morning to you both. Peter, I might start with you.

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40.206 - 44.993 David McCullagh

As I say, a very stark warning from the Food and Agriculture Organisation. Is it justified?

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46.676 - 62.921 Dr Peter Alexander

Yes, it is a very stark warning and I think largely it is justified. I mean, the global food system is very dependent on inorganic fertiliser. that's produced from natural gas and a large percentage of it is, you know, passes through the Straits of Hormuz, something like 30%.

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64.103 - 91.554 Dr Peter Alexander

So, you know, that has potential to really disrupt food production, particularly if farmers choose to fertilise yet less or to not establish crops and not plant crops. And that has, you know, the potential to sort of lock in future reductions in supply of food. which we in the UK and Ireland would experience primarily, in my view, through higher food prices, greater food price inflation.

93.015 - 110.093 Dr Peter Alexander

Obviously, the rest of the world, you know, people on lower incomes would be less able to afford the food that they need for healthy and nutritious diets with sort of health and nutritional consequences that flow from that. So, yeah, the situation is potentially pretty serious.

110.528 - 118.518 David McCullagh

Now, I believe that the three staple crops, corn, wheat and rice, supply more than half of the world's dietary calories.

Chapter 2: How does the conflict in the Strait of Hormuz affect our food supply?

118.578 - 122.744 David McCullagh

And they're particularly dependent on those artificial fertilisers.

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124.145 - 145.243 Dr Peter Alexander

Yeah, I mean, the cereal crops are very dependent on them. You know, since the 60s, you know, we've gone through this green revolution where we've had this very dramatic increase in yields, sort of like three or four fold kind of increase in yields. that's underpinned by many things, but very strongly by fertilizer use.

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145.944 - 167.13 Dr Peter Alexander

And those fertilizers are produced as a product of the fossil fuel sector, and therefore they're tied to energy prices, and therefore they're tied to the supply chain that we know so well, both from the war in Ukraine and now the war in Iran. So, yeah, it's problematic, you know.

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167.161 - 171.246 David McCullagh

Yeah, what about shortages of carbon dioxide? How does that impact?

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172.287 - 186.045 Dr Peter Alexander

Yeah, I mean, that's a much more localised issue in terms of packaging and so on. So, yeah, that could play a role, but I think that's likely to be kind of smaller, at least from a sort of nutritional perspective. Right.

186.926 - 192.493 David McCullagh

OK, so, I mean, your expectation is higher food prices, but not necessarily shortages?

193.435 - 216.675 Dr Peter Alexander

So in sort of high income countries like we both are in, yeah, in my view, it's likely to be felt through prices rather than for shortages in supermarkets. But that still has very real world consequences for people on the lowest incomes, both in countries like ours, but even more so in sort of

217.027 - 233.85 Dr Peter Alexander

lower income countries where people who have lower incomes tend to spend more of that income on food and energy as well. And obviously they have less capacity to afford those food prices. So they sort of suffer the greatest consequences.

234.411 - 238.056 David McCullagh

Okay, I'll bring Oliver in as well. Oliver, how are we fixed in Ireland?

Chapter 3: Why is the global food system dependent on inorganic fertilizers?

249.761 - 270.331 Dr Oliver Moore

We're losing vegetable growers all the time and we don't even have targets in Food Vision 2030 for what our domestic market could be and could grow to. So we really focus on, we've exported 19 billion euros worth of food last year, but we are importing about 12 billion. And we import, you know, fresh fruit and veg from the city of Spain in particular and from Holland and so on.

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270.992 - 290.879 Dr Oliver Moore

And so just to follow up on, you know, diets and poverty and so on, like half a million people are in food poverty in Ireland. And you would use one third of your income to have a healthy diet in Ireland if you're a low income person. person. So we're especially exposed and we really have never really built our local food economy. We've really focused on exports.

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291.019 - 312.217 Dr Oliver Moore

So supporting local food producers through things like a basic income for local food producers like we did for artists could be a savvy thing to start to do now as well because Yeah, like trade, we have a fuel crisis and a fertilizer crisis at the same time. And we have just-in-time delivery systems into supermarkets. We have extreme supermarket concentration in Ireland.

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312.377 - 328.813 Dr Oliver Moore

And that means then as well with just-in-time delivery, the storage is in lorries and in ships. it's not in the back of the shop anymore. So lorries and ships are obviously extremely dependent on trade working and on fossil fuels. And also people seem to forget as well, I mean, there was all the tariffs that Trump landed on the world anyway, as well.

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329.314 - 335.948 Dr Oliver Moore

So there's a cascade of crises landing at the one time and we don't even have targets for growing our domestic food production.

335.928 - 349.617 David McCullagh

Yeah. I mean, why have we lost that domestic fruit and veg? Is it just a question of price? I mean, you'll see a bag of carrots for 49 cents in a supermarket, difficult for a consumer to walk past given the cost of living problems at the moment.

350.609 - 371.695 Dr Oliver Moore

Yeah, like we've created that. I mean, we always had a poor local food economy provisioning system because we were an extractive colony. But now we're an exporting economy. So we've just we've decided to basically have a very low cost approach to food, which destroys the farming base, because if it is that cheap, farmers can't survive. And there's good models out there.

371.755 - 389.29 Dr Oliver Moore

I mean, if you look at Dalhalla Food Services, for example, they provide meals on wheels and school meals to 4,000 people every day, and local farmers feed into that. So there's markets that can be created and generated through public provisioning, which could be done well, and then farmers have multiple routes to market.

389.27 - 408.175 Dr Oliver Moore

And we could start to do things like build a basic income for food producers and food organisers, build food hubs like Dull Hallow, like Drumshambo, like places where it works really well, and start to break away from the reliance on the supermarket system, a bit like when Anglo Irish was the best bank in Europe and then it was the worst thing that happened.

Chapter 4: What impact could higher food prices have on low-income populations?

621.308 - 638.837 Dr Oliver Moore

We don't have a diversified agri-food system in Ireland. That's kind of the problem. I mean, the scale of global trade we're at, we're obviously still going to keep trading to some extent. It's just that we're not actually building in proper resilience. And like, you know, the last chat you had was about housing. I mean, we need housing, fuel and food

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638.817 - 657.383 Dr Oliver Moore

sovereignty these days rather than just relying on hoping it's going to work out well with the markets because the things that are happening now you know are shocking to people as they were six months ago as they were six months before that so we just we we're we're like we're we're low on infrastructure but high on income uh we don't have a proper

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657.363 - 677.79 Dr Oliver Moore

food culture because it was destroyed by colonisation in the first place and then it was never built back properly. In, like, Borbia, I would say, aren't really doing enough to build a domestic economy, like, of agri-food because they're focused exclusively now on origin green. There isn't a small producer support section, really. There used to be a thing called Borbia Vantage, for example.

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677.81 - 697.225 Dr Oliver Moore

There used to be a taste council. There used to be all of these things. And Borbia's budget has gone up by 40 million. Our exports have doubled in the last 10 years and yet the supports for local producers and for the domestic market have been stagnant I would say. So like we don't so much have our eggs in the one basket as we're sending our eggs away and we've nothing left behind really.

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697.285 - 709.003 David McCullagh

Okay, Dr Oliver Moore from the Centre of Co-operative Studies in University College Cork and Dr Peter Alexander, Senior Lecturer in Global Food Security at the University of Edinburgh. Thank you both very much indeed for joining us this morning.

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