Chapter 1: What tragic event led to the introduction of new legislation against scramblers?
Next though, the death of 16-year-old Grace Lynch and the subsequent introduction of new legislation to ban scramblers was meant to be a turning point in how authorities policed the use of off-road motorbikes. Their use has become a major flashpoint involving policing, anti-social behaviour, road safety, youth services and social media culture.
So why are there still so many scramblers in public parks and roads despite the full implementation of Grace's law?
Joining me to discuss this are Fianna Fáil TD for Dublin Midwest, Shane Moynihan, Tony Carey, Director of the Scrambler Initiative in Moyross Youth Academy, and John Joe Carey, Vice President of the Garda Representative Association, who's attached to the Rhodes Policing Unit in Nace. Good morning to you all. Shane, I might come to you first.
It's kind of difficult for people to understand, after all the publicity and the new law and all the rest of it, why scramblers are still such a huge presence across the country.
Good morning, David, and thanks for having me on. I think like most of the country, we were all of the view that all new scramblers were a huge issue across Dublin, the broader country. The tragic death of Grace Leith Lynch brought that into very extreme focus for us all. And as you said, the regulations have been enacted. I think now it comes down to
Making sure the brave women and men in An Garda Fíochána have the equipment and the training to be able to tackle and make the tactical interventions to deal with the people that are using these scramblers to not only, you know, intimidate or to occupy public spaces, but also that are being used to transport drugs and provide kind of protection. support to criminal activity around the country.
So that enforcement piece now and making sure that Gardaí are appropriately trained and appropriately equipped to ensure that enforcement takes place needs to be a priority for the leadership around Gardaí.
Okay, we'll discuss that with John Joe in a minute, Shane. But what's it like in your area at the moment? Are people still worried or concerned about the use of scramblers?
They're still very visible, David, to be honest. I mean, we have many green areas in my constituency where, you know, you have a scrambler that's being used. And it's not just being used as a recreational purpose.
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Chapter 2: Why are scramblers still prevalent despite new laws?
It's being used to intimidate people out of the space. And I think that's kind of one of the worst things on a sunny day like this. You bring your kids to a park and there's a few people wearing balaclavas, using a scrambler to try and intimidate people out of that space. We see them on roads in my own constituency last night at 2 a.m.
the reports of two people using scramblers, wearing balaclavas, driving them dangerously and causing possible harm to themselves and to others. So they are there on the roads. And while they're having a lot of success in seizure under Operation Macken, I think now this pursuit piece is where we need to make sure that we deal with them in the round. when they're there.
But certainly I would say that for the vast majority of people who want to enjoy public spaces, scramblers have become an intimidating menace. And that's before you even get to the fact that they're used as support and as supply lines for all sorts of various types of criminality.
And is there anything that people can do to reclaim the space?
Well, I think one thing we've seen in my area in particular, we've got a new running club, new running clubs that have been set up. There's a football club that now, one of the fastest growing football clubs in Dublin, which has occupied one of our main parks here. So that ensures that they then own that space, the streets around areas like Norton Dockland and so on.
Northland Dock and Running Club have played a really strong role in making sure that they, so we use these streets for recreation. These are a public space. And I think, you know, oftentimes when we're talking about scramblers, we talk about the enforcement piece and that's why we talk about it.
But it's also empowering people to make sure that clubs and communities are supported in their own recreational activities to make sure that they reclaim the streets for themselves and that they won't be intimidated out. by antisocial behaviour on scramblers too.
There was a lot of discussion about this before Grace's Law was brought in actually about regulations that were already there and there seemed to be some kind of a disconnect between the Department of Justice and the Department of Transport. Now we have Fianna Fáil ministers in both of those departments now.
I mean, as far as you're aware, as you can work out, where is the logjam in enforcement coming from?
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Chapter 3: What challenges do law enforcement face in policing scrambler use?
No member of Angarda Síochána is pursuit-trained. And give us, we're looking for, we had a recent conference there at the end of April, a month ago, and part of those motions passed there in relation to, we're looking for a work driving licence to protect our members on a private driving licence. And we're also looking for a framework about pursuit training, you know.
Right. I'm sorry to cut across to John Joe, but I'm a bit taken aback to hear that no Gardaí have pursuit training.
Oh yeah, we were talking about this for years. So I accept you might be taking it back and some of your listeners, but we've been on the airwaves and on the media and on talking about this for many years, you know, about the lack of training for our members. It's absolutely scandalous. I will say there was a mention there about previous legislation.
Section 41 of the Road Traffic Act was enacted in 1994, two years before I joined the Cardiffshire Econa. And that gives members of the Garda Síocháin the power to seize any mechanically propelled vehicles. So we call that everything from a motorcycle to a truck that doesn't have the proper driving licence and insurance exception in a public place.
And that did include... Look, whether I'm driving from the office or offices in Dublin, or through the country. You see scramblers, whether it's from where Shane's area there is, DMR West, or across to Shank Hill, or down anywhere across the country. Scramblers on one wheel, e-scooters as well, I'll include this, with their riders and passengers as well wearing balaclavas.
Now, you put Dave McCullough and John Joe Connell in a patrol car and tell them to try and intercept that scrambler on one wheel going down through Cabra. Now, with the current situation we have, and recently, as it's well publicised, we had a member of our own association was convicted before the courts for trying to tackle this exact subject that we're talking about this morning.
And that member found themselves, their own personal driving licence, disqualified for two years and a fine. And that has a knock-on effect then on their private life as well, naturally enough, being able to get to work, being able to bring their kids to school, be able to do everything.
So we have a big, our members have, I won't say they will not stand back from dealing with protecting life and property because that's what they sign up to do in this job.
But just we do not have the proper tools to deal with these scramblers, as Shane was talking about in his area, trying to reclaim the space because it is quite chaotic and our members are then going to go to tackle these are definitely, it's a real situation such as to fear in their minds of losing their driving licence and possibly their liberty at risk.
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Chapter 4: How are communities responding to the issues caused by scramblers?
Now, you run a scrambler youth diversion programme. When young people sign up for your programme, have they previously found themselves in trouble for using bikes illegally?
Some are coming through the courts or that they're referred. We're YDP, so we're Youth Diversion, which historically would have been Garda Youth Diversion. So it's a referral process. So candidates are referred in and we have referral meeting and... There's a process in which they come on the programme.
Right, okay. And what's the aim of the programme, Tony?
Well, the aim is to take, as we're speaking about scrambler riders, who historically it would be, and culturally, generationally it would be, skills would have been passed down generational. And what we're trying to do is we'll take scrambler, the illegal activity of scrambler riding and bring these riders into the very disciplined sport of motocross
which is very disciplined, sanctioned, with licenses, assessments, mandatory drug tests, and full safety training, first aid training.
So they still get to ride the bikes, but it's much, much safer.
Absolutely. And it's a reward-based program. So when you do this, you get this, not... do this. There's no punishment. It's rewards based. They come on and they learn to ride safely. We have a coach, Stuart Edmonds, Seeker Racing. He's our coach and we ride only on tracks. Only.
As you say, there are drug tests and all the rest of it. What do you hear from the parents of the people in the programme?
Well, for the parents, their children are involved in dangerous, reckless community riding, which is by definition illegal and absolutely dangerous.
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