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Today with David McCullagh

Spring economic statement and how delayed carbon tax will impact you

21 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the implications of the Spring Economic Statement?

0.031 - 18.849 David McCullagh

Finance Minister and Tories' Simon Harris has said he wants the forthcoming budget in October to include tax cuts. Later today, he's going to publish the Spring Economic Statement, which will set out various scenarios, including a worst-case scenario for the economy against a volatile backdrop due to the ongoing war in the Middle East.

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18.869 - 34.985 David McCullagh

But how much headroom will the government have in Budget 2027? Joining me for more on this is Michelle Murphy, Research and Policy Analyst at Social Justice Ireland. Michelle, good morning to you. Good morning, David. Are you a bit surprised that we're still hearing about potential tax cuts in the current scenario?

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37.308 - 59.784 Michelle Murphy

Well, in a way, no, because there is a commitment in the programme for government and actually prior to the war in Iran, you know, we've been hearing things about inheritance tax and personal income taxes. But I suppose the concern we would have in social justice Ireland is, you know, we've had tax packages released since 2014. the bulk of the value has gone to higher income earners.

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Chapter 2: How do tax cuts affect different income groups?

59.904 - 80.895 Michelle Murphy

But even if you just look at the last government between 2020 and 2025, there were personal income tax packages there. And the problem is it opened up a gap between working households, those on lower to middle income wages and those on higher wages, because obviously if you earn in around the standard threshold rate in terms of taxation, you didn't get the benefits.

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80.915 - 93.057 Michelle Murphy

That's a huge concern to us because that gap, has grown, and then also people who aren't engaged in the labour market, who are reliant on a social welfare payment, who are mainly just targeted one-off measures.

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93.798 - 113.4 Michelle Murphy

So for us, we would argue really that looking over even the past decade, what really has those packages delivered for those people on, I suppose, middle incomes, because any sort of personal income tax package means a reduction in revenue, which means that money has to come from somewhere and

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113.785 - 129.107 Michelle Murphy

Either it's not going to services like education, childcare, health, disability, or you have to raise it from somewhere else. And I suppose it'll be interesting to see today if the minister outlines where he might see potential for revenue raising alongside with revenue reduction.

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129.528 - 141.305 David McCullagh

Okay. He also said it'd be foolish to rule out measures like universal energy credits, as we saw following the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I mean, the criticism of those is that they're not targeted.

Chapter 3: What concerns does Social Justice Ireland have about tax packages?

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What's your view on them?

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143.317 - 162.977 Michelle Murphy

Yes, I mean, they're poorly targeted and they're very costly. I think we had three sets of them before 2025 at about a cost of 1.6 billion. Yet those who were the numbers in energy poverty grew and the numbers in arrears grew. So if you are going to do something like that, you need to look at targeting it at the households who need it most.

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163.138 - 176.331 Michelle Murphy

And I mean, we've had plenty of time now to identify those households because the universal element I mean, it's a way to meet every household, but it's going to people who don't need it. And that's the problem. It's a very costly way of doing it.

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176.511 - 178.835 David McCullagh

Is there a better way of targeting those people who really need it?

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Chapter 4: How is the delayed carbon tax expected to impact households?

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I mean, particularly people in arrears.

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182.26 - 196.124 Michelle Murphy

Well, in terms of those households, you can identify them and give them additional supports, for example, if they qualify for the fuel allowance. But really, you need to look at those households is around and households, and we know kind of the households who are struggling, there's those on fixed incomes and a social welfare payment.

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196.184 - 213.07 Michelle Murphy

And for those groups, you need to look at benchmarking welfare to average, a percentage of average earnings. Indexing then in terms of those households in employment that I referenced and those we'd say earning in around the 40,000 mark who don't benefit from the tax changes that we've had. You need to look at things like tax credits for those groups.

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213.15 - 233.715 Michelle Murphy

Can you open up eligibility for some of the packages within the social protection system for that group? Because ultimately, what we've seen over recent years, any kind of limited changes that they have experienced from tax and those just at that threshold haven't gained, they're still being faced with higher costs. They're not feeling, I suppose, any relief.

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Chapter 5: What are the potential consequences of postponing the carbon tax increase?

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So you need to look at the revenue that we have available and target it better. Because I suppose the government have been very clear in the past two weeks that the two announcements they've made since March... that come up to about 750 million.

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245.633 - 254.526 Michelle Murphy

The Minister for Social Protection and the Taoiseach were clear that that is going to come from the fiscal space that would have been available to them in October.

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254.759 - 274.383 David McCullagh

Now, you mentioned that package, 750 million euro. Part of that was the postponement of the carbon tax increase. That's now due to come into force in October when the weather will be getting cold. Heating will be on. How's that going to impact people?

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275.924 - 278.067 Michelle Murphy

Well, yeah, I think I'm not sure how.

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Chapter 6: How will the government manage funding without the carbon tax revenue?

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well thought through that was because it will hit in October as you said when people will be looking to heat their homes more also there will be another increase in October coming in the budget because it's legislated for until 2030 so that's two increases that are coming so that is a real concern because I suppose the benefit of the I suppose pause on carbon tax isn't going to be felt by those households now because we're coming into the summer and hopefully they shouldn't have to be

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putting more heating oil into their tanks. I suppose the flip side of that as well is the carbon tax that's been imposed, I'm assuming would have been used in budgetary calculations last year because it pays for a lot of things.

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315.911 - 332.472 Michelle Murphy

It pays for, you know, community retrofitting grants, but it also contributes to the fuel allowance, the qualified child payment, the living alone allowance, the working family payment, the acre scheme. It contributes to EV grants, for example. So another concern we would have is where is that money going?

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332.84 - 339.208 Michelle Murphy

going to come from now in the next four months that would have been factored in as to coming from that carbon tax increase.

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339.509 - 348.047 David McCullagh

Okay, well perhaps we'll hear more when the swing economic statement is published later today. Michelle Murphy, Research and Policy Analyst at Social Justice Ireland. Thanks for joining us.

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