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Today with David McCullagh

Tiny Happy People – Why pretend play is important for toddlers

20 May 2026

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Chapter 1: Why is pretend play important for toddlers?

0.031 - 20.571 David McCullagh

Now as you know if you've seen children at play they have huge imaginations. Rocks become spaceships, tables become forts, flowers become fairies. The ability to pretend play first emerges at about 15 months and by the time a child is four or five it becomes more complex and involves interacting with others and acting out characters.

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20.551 - 33.169 David McCullagh

For young children, pretend play has important benefits, including development of social and emotional skills. For more on this, I'm joined by Associate Professor Michelle Downes, Director of UCD's Baby Lab. Michelle, good morning to you.

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33.37 - 34.491 Michelle Downes

Good morning, David. How are you?

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Chapter 2: At what age do children start engaging in pretend play?

34.672 - 36.314 David McCullagh

Great, thanks. This is all about imagination.

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36.835 - 64.969 Michelle Downes

Yes, yeah, absolutely. And imagination is so important and pretend play in early childhood. And as you said, this idea, the skill, I suppose, emerges in that second year of life. And at first it's really basic things like a child pretending there's tea in a cup or pretending a banana is a phone. And then as they get closer to their third year, it becomes more complicated. They start acting out.

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65.557 - 86.855 Michelle Downes

scenes, imitating maybe narratives that they've seen, like going to the doctor. And as they get to age three, age four, it becomes a lot more social, a lot more interactive. And they can play with their peers and recreate these imaginary worlds where they take on character roles and have really complex structures.

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87.196 - 95.563 David McCullagh

OK, so that initial approach to imagination, to pretending at a very early stage, I mean, does that emerge spontaneously?

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Chapter 3: What benefits does pretend play offer for child development?

96.117 - 115.56 Michelle Downes

So it doesn't emerge spontaneously. It's emerging in parallel with lots of other emerging skills. So we know that pretend play is highly linked to other emerging cognitive skills. So we recently published a paper in the lab looking at the development of executive functioning and pretend play.

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115.844 - 130.377 Michelle Downes

But we know pretend play is also important for other skills like language development, social development. It gives children opportunities to cultivate these skills by practising and imagining scenarios.

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130.492 - 133.155 David McCullagh

Okay executive functioning explain that for me would you?

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133.435 - 155.841 Michelle Downes

Yeah absolutely so that's one of my core interest areas and executive functioning is the ability to control and regulate our behaviour so it's a skill that emerges in the first year of life and actually has a very protracted period of development so this skill is maturing right up until emerging adulthood in your early 20s until it fully matures and

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156.175 - 178.133 Michelle Downes

Underlying that is our frontal parietal systems in the brain, which are slowly emerging and maturing as well. And it's a collective term. So it involves inhibitory control, which is paying attention to things and stopping ourselves from being distracted by other things. It involves cognitive flexibility. So moving from one task to another.

178.113 - 194.734 Michelle Downes

It involves planning and organising our behaviour and working memories. So, you know, when a child is sitting in school and junior infants and teachers giving them a set of instructions and they're trying to remember a number of things, they have to engage this working memory skill.

194.754 - 206.128 David McCullagh

OK, so obviously, if before a child gets to that stage, if they have pretended, is role playing part of it as well? Is that a good way of preparing for those situations?

206.26 - 225.315 Michelle Downes

Yeah, absolutely. So pretend play provides this really kind of fertile environment to practice and cultivate the development of these self-regulatory skills and really prepares them in terms of school readiness and other skills that they're going to need later on in life.

225.413 - 234.722 David McCullagh

Now, you mentioned the social development as they get a bit older. So is that sort of cooperative pretend play or pretend use of the imagination that they're all joining in together?

Chapter 4: How does pretend play relate to executive functioning skills?

500.273 - 509.847 Michelle Downes

But they have to follow rules all day long. And it's nice for them to be able to be the narrator and to be able to say we're doing this and you're this character.

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509.968 - 521.485 David McCullagh

Yeah. And it's lovely that it can give you an insight into what they're actually thinking and feeling about a scenario that, you know, without loading the pressure on them. The Teddy Project. Tell me about the Teddy project.

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521.505 - 543.956 Michelle Downes

Yeah, absolutely. So this is my PhD student Toby is leading this project and we're delighted we're at time two now. So we had 105 families come in at time one last year. And these are families with 20 to 28 month olds who came in for the first visit and they're all coming back in now for time two. So they're all at a stage where the kids are turning three.

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545.117 - 566.579 Michelle Downes

So what we're looking at is we're looking at the development of pretend play and these executive functioning skills and how they develop in the toddler years. This is something that's not really been explored in really great detail before. A lot of research in this area has focused on older children. So it's, I suppose, quite a fun visit for the families.

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566.639 - 583.192 Michelle Downes

They're coming in, they're playing games, they're interacting with their children. And we're looking at how pretend play is emerging from, you know, 20 months right up to age three. And also how these self-regulatory and executive functioning skills are emerging in parallel.

583.533 - 584.334 David McCullagh

You have a great job.

584.835 - 586.137 Michelle Downes

Yeah, it can be fun.

587.319 - 594.27 David McCullagh

I say it could be fairly chaotic as well, can't it? If there's all those kids and families in there, each in their own imaginary world.

594.689 - 616.182 Michelle Downes

Yeah, it can get quite busy now. There's usually one or two families in at a time. And, you know, we often have other studies running in parallel. So we have babies coming in at the moment for a weaning study, looking at motor development. We've got older children coming in, looking at spatial development. mathematics development. So, you know, it can get quite busy, but it's a lot of fun.

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