Topbillers Toolkit

How to scale a recruitment business to $2,000,000 (with a team of four)

03 Mar 2026

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

The difference between a $200K biller and a £1,000,000 Biller (full Breakdown video)

20 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

how to go from agency recruiter to Lone wolf (Advice from a $2.4 Million biller)

12 Feb 2026

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to hit $1,000,000 in your second year of Recruitment

29 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to create a $200K recruitment side hustle (while fully employed)

23 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

This Recruiter has billed $700K+ for 30 years straight. (Master of Consistency)

16 Jan 2026

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to increase your candidate response rate by 25-30% (Whats app messaging system)

19 Dec 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to reprogram your mind for success ($1,000,000 Biller)

28 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

This Recruiter billed $1,000,000 for 5 years straight! (Master at Enterprise deals)

13 Nov 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

This guys Agency does $5 Million with 11 people. Here's how he wins new business....

31 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to make millions while traveling the world

24 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

“Fearless. Shameless. Unstoppable: The Mindset That Built a $700K Recruiter”

17 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to bill $300k in your first year of recruitment

10 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to win new clients in Private Equity ($2M Biller)

03 Oct 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

The 4 Pillars to Building a $1,000,000 Lifestyle Business

29 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

How to win $500K worth of business from your existing network!

19 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

This Dev Recruiter bills $550K every year. (Listen to how he DOMINATES his niche)

12 Sep 2025

Contributed by Lukas

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This guy billed £8,000,000 over 10 years and he's mastered landing and expanding!

22 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’ve helped recruiters win 6-figure clients from LinkedIn (all through content) We’re so confident this works, we’ll show you for free: 👉 ht...

Blueprint to $1.5 Million In New business (Copy this guy to become successful)

10 Aug 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Top Billers Toolkit, where my twin brother and I interview top billers from all around the world to unloc...

This recruiter went from 30% to 100% fill rate by changing one thing)

25 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Jay Lucas.Jay is the CEO of a heavy equipment recruitment firm in the US.He’s an absolute master of his niche—and a brilliant r...

This Recruiter built a $6 Million Business - Here are his core principles

17 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Greg Benadiba (LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gbenadiba/) Greg runs his own recruitment firm, generating $6M in annual reven...

How to make Seven Figures with just 25 deals a year...

04 Jul 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Top Billers Toolkit, where my twin brother and I interview leading billers from around the globe to unloc...

How to book calls with CTO's (and other executives) From a $958,000 Biller

27 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest: James Holder — From Average to Elite in RecruitmentIn today’s episode, we’re joined by James Holder, whose story is both inspir...

How to use LinkedIn Ads to Fuel your Outbound (Expert Speaker)

20 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

We’re joined by Justin Rowe, founder of a leading LinkedIn Ads marketing agency and one of the top voices in this space. As LinkedIn Ads continue to...

This Recruiter Billed $1.5 Million by Flipping Candidates

13 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Jason AYACHIJason is a $1.5 million dollar biller 50% of revenue has been generated through candidate flipping Today we’re goin...

57 Minute Masterclass on Cold Calling in 2025

06 Jun 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guests are Matt Banks and Noah London.Both of these lads are masters at cold calling.They make hundreds of cold calls every single week.Matt i...

This Recruiter Scaled to $4.2 Million by Hiring Off-shore talent...

30 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Greg Fischer.Greg is an absolute master at offshoring talent.He grew his agency from $1 million to $4.2 million in just 3 years —...

How to Bill $1,000,000 with a team of 4 Delivery Consultants

23 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today's Guest is Steve Sora Steve specialises in tax and accountancy At his previous company, he was hitting around the 400-600K mark consistently,y v...

I'm 24 years old and I'm making $600K a Year. Here's how...

15 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today's Guest is Hazen EnmanFirst Year of Recruitment he billed $30K Second year he Billed $600K Today we're going to pick his brains and understand E...

Masterclass in Candidate-Led BD from a £1.5 Million Biller

02 May 2025

Contributed by Lukas

In today's Episode, we sit down with Elizabeth Kennedy. Within just 1 year of setting up her business,, she hit £1.5 MillionOn today's episod...

This Recruiter scaled his agency to $3.7 Million (Solid Advice from the CEO)

18 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Dante Nino.Dante has grown his recruitment agency to 17 recruiters and is hitting $3.7M in revenue, and the majority of his team ar...

This Recruiter is hitting £100K months using an RPO Model. Here's how...

11 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

This recruiter went from 3k Months to 100K monthsHow? By using a successful RPO model Here's why you should consider one too…One of the biggest ...

This guy will level up your mindset (Mentor to Seven figure recruiters)

04 Apr 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Hey guys,Welcome back to another episode of Topbillers Toolkit, where me and my twin brother sit down with top performers from all over the globe to u...

This Recruiter hit 620K In His Third Year! (Here's how)

28 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Samuel Kippen.In his first year of recruitment, Sam billed $90K.In his second year, he billed $160K.And just three years into his r...

This guy was homeless for 10 years and started recruitment in his 40's! (he transformed his life)

21 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Pete.He has one of the most remarkable stories I’ve ever heard. After growing up with an abusive stepdad, he witnessed his mother...

This Recruiter hit $1.8 Million in his SECOND year of business (Here's how)

14 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Justis owns the Pederson Group - An award-winning recruitment company in Canada that specialises in construction and engineering. In his first year of...

After Listening to this $2 Million Biller you'll play a bigger game....

07 Mar 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Brent is a $2M contingent biller and one of the most intensely focused and motivated recruiters I have ever spoken to. His energy is truly unmatched.H...

I Built The Biggest Community of SDRs in London (Here's why its priceless for future business)

28 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Lewis GadsdonLewis is an associate director at Wiser Elite and works in the tech spaceOver the last few years, he’s built a THI...

This Founder's Top biller is doing £510K (Here's why the 1% Mindset matters)

21 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today's Guest is James Lovell-butt James is the founder of the Solution Group James Started off in his bedroom and has grown the company to 14 p...

I made $1.2 million with a simple outbound process

14 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest is Mke WilliamsMike billed $1.2 Million last year And when he set up his business just under 3 years agoHe billed $900,000 in his firs...

I Used To Be Shy, Now I'm Cold Calling and Billing €2,000,000

06 Feb 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Stefan Ganserer—a powerhouse tech recruiter from Germany who has billed over €2 million. He leads a team of three recruiters,...

How to Travel the World and Close $200k in 6 Months

24 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Camille de Brun. Camille has an incredible story. After being let go by one of the biggest gaming companies in the world, Riot Ga...

I Hired "SuperStar" Billers and they Nearly Ruined My Business (Advice from top CEO)

17 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Chris Relth. Chris is the owner of a 36-person recruitment firm in LA. He has been on an incredible journey, facing intense legal...

How to Save 40 Hours A Week Hiring Virtual Assistants (Advice from A Recruitment Business Owner)

10 Jan 2025

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Maddie Traylor. There was a point when Maddie was working 90 hours a week, covering all hours of the day and burning herself out. ...

This MD switched to the 180 Model and it transformed his business (Here's why)

20 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Todays Guest is Harley Lorence Harley is the MD at MRL Consulting Group And the company has been through an insane transformation They used to h...

This Recruiter had $500 in his Bank, One Year later he's billing $789,000 (Here's how)

13 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Randee Staats Junior. Randee’s story is truly incredible, folks. Just under a year ago, he had only £500 in his bank account a...

$500K Biller: "Learning how to Pre-close added 200K to my Billings"

06 Dec 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Guillaume Miszczak. Gi was a 500K biller at his previous firm. Now, he’s set up his own recruitment company in Canada, and he h...

How to Qualify Candidates Like a Pro (45 Min Training)

29 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Hey everyone, Welcome back! For the second time, we’ve got Craig Whiting joining us on the pod—and we couldn’t be more excited. The feedback o...

She was Laid off 15 months ago....Now she's billing 700K!

22 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

15 months ago, Julia was laid off while on maternity Leave She had a newborn baby, waking up 10 times a night. An infant, a 2-year old and two tee...

60-Min Sales Masterclass from a £1,000,000 Biller

15 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest: Elliot Jones Elliot is a £1 million contract biller, but his recruitment journey has been nothing short of a rollercoaster. At one...

Why I Use Whats App To Close Deals (Advice from a £1,000,000 Biller)

08 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest: Freddy Stacey For the first 7 months of his career, Freddy didn’t bill a penny. But that just fueled him. And While everyone lef...

A Masterclass In How to Disqualify Prospects From A $2.4 Million Biller

01 Nov 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today, I’m very pleased to announce our guest for the second time, Mike Anderson. For anyone who doesn't know. Mike is a $2.4 Million biller T...

This $2 Million Biller Wakes Up Scared Everyday (Why Fear Can Help You Make More Money)

25 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Kevin Hall. Kevin is a $2M biller, and he’s maintained that number for 8 years straight. An insane level of consistency—and a...

How this recruiter built a $500,000 Referral Partnership System!

18 Oct 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Tony Teshara—a Million Dollar Biller! 50% of Tony’s business incredibly attractive referral partnership scheme that he’s perfe...

She Cried Everyday and Nearly Quit, Now she's a 350K Biller!

19 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Mica Bell Mica is a 350k Biller. When she started recruitment She didn’t bill a single thing for 6 months. She cried eve...

The Mindset of a £1 Million Biller

12 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's Guest is Mark Harris. Mark's journey is nothing short of incredible. Coming from a humble background, he's the youngest of 4 chi...

Great Marketing Advice From a 320K Biller

06 Sep 2024

Contributed by Lukas

 Today’s guest is Jamie Clayton  Jamie is a 320K biller  He’s the managing director of White and Clayton recruitment (A team of 22 strong)  He...

This Recruiter closed 175K in one month using LinkedIn (Here's how she did it)

29 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's Guest is Zoe Upson Zoe has quite a fascinating story. Before moving into recruitment, she was a trader in the commodities market, gettin...

How to get candidates to fall in love with your company (Masterclass in Employer brand)

23 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's Episode is slightly different to the usual Today's guest is James Ellis… He’s an expert in employer branding. Now, before you swit...

How to bill 300k in your first year of recruitment (this guy has the secret)

15 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Hey Guys! Today's guest is Craig Whiting. Craig has billed 10M over his recruitment career. And even though nowadays he spends a huge portio...

From Toxic Childhood To $1 Million Dollar Biller (Joe Carbone)

08 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Joe Carbone Joe is a million-pound biller But he didn’t get anything handed to him. His mum had him when he was a teenager ...

This Recruiter JUMPED from 500k to $2 Million, Here's how:

01 Aug 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Dylan Cohen! Dylan is a $1.94 Million Biller. He started billing 500k And made a HUGE jump to nearly 2 Million in the space o...

Mini Masterclass in how to scale a £100 Million Recruitment Business (Alex Elliot)

25 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is a bit of a celebrity in the world of recruitment. It’s Alex Elliot Alex founded and grew his previous recruitment business, L...

This Recruiter grew up with Dyslexia, The teachers thought he was Dumb. Now he's a £1.8 Million biller! (Alex Dick)

19 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Alex Dick. Alex is one of the funniest, most down-to-earth recruiters we’ve had on the pod. He’s also a £1.8 million bill...

Lessons From an £800k Biller

11 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Patrick Waites Partick is an 800k biller.  But when he first started, it took him 8 months to close his first deal.  His recrui...

This guy is a master at Landing and Expanding (Billed $23.5 Million with 5 Key Accounts)

04 Jul 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Marc Burgess. Marc is one of the most extraordinary billers I've come across. From 2011 to 2022, he managed to bill $23.5M. ...

Young mum at 18 Now runs £6Million Recruitment Business

27 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Stephanie Bateman Stephanie's story is nothing short of extraordinary. -From leaving home at 15 -To getting kicked out of c...

GENIUS BD Advice from a $2.4 Million Biller

21 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Mike Anderson.  Mike is a $2.4 Million biller.  And He’s got one of the most INSANE stories I’ve heard on this podcast.  Aft...

This Recruiter Scaled His business to Seven Figures in 18 months!

13 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Charles Steele. From working as a waiter in his teens to being handed a business card by one of his customers, Charles began his ca...

How To Win Enterprise Accounts (Tips From A $1 Million Biller)

06 Jun 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest is Sam Ingwell Sam is a $1 Million Biller And he’s mastered the art of closing enterprise clients. Today, we’re going to be di...

How To Use Podcasts to Win New Accounts (Tips From an 800k Biller)

30 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest is Anthony Kellyll  Otherwsie known as Anto.  Anto, is an 800k biller  And Anto is the only top biller I’ve ever met who successf...

How an 800k Biller Wins New Clients

23 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest is Stuart Mitchell Stuart is the Founder of Hampton North A premium, US-based Cyber security search firm In their first year, Ham...

A MASTERCLASS in Winning New Business From $2Million Biller (Asher Rudolph)

17 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest is Asher Rudolph.  Asher is a $2 Million pound Biller  We’re 6 months through the year and he’s already on 1.4 million.  Asher’...

How to Retain Your Clients in Recruitment (94% of this guy's clients keep buy again)

10 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Calum Lyle Calum is the director of Add some Zest. He’s on a mission to change the perception of recruitment. And his cust...

How To Create a Profitable Recruitment Company (Sold business for £24M - Mike Ames)

03 May 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Mike Ames Mike Sold his recruitment company for £24 Million But getting there nearly broke him He was working 80-hour weeks Dr...

From Ex-Marine to Billing $800k. This Guy is Obsessed! (Josh Keeley)

25 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest is Josh Keeley Josh is an Ex-marine And is now the Managing Director of Trident Search He’s on track to hit £800k this year B...

This Recruiter Billed 500k for 5 years straight! Here's how....(Troy Neenan)

19 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Troy Neenan Troy started off as a perm consultant He was doing alright But it all changed when he switched to contract. Now...

BD Tips From a 750K Biller!

12 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is John-Joe John-joe is the director of Metric  Not only is he in charge of a team of 30 recruiters  But he’s also a 750k Biller ...

This Recruiter Billed 255K In Her First Year (Amy Holder)

02 Apr 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome back to yet another episode of TopBillers Toolkit. Where me and twin brother interview top billers from all around the globe to unlock the sec...

This Recruiter made $1Million Cold Calling (Alex deGolia)

21 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Hey Guys, welcome back to another episode of TopBillers Toolkit Today’s guest is Alex DeGolia Alex set off on his own to start his own recruitment...

This Recruiter Works 20 hours a Week and Bills 300K! (Mark Wilson)

15 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s Guest is Mark Wilson Mark is an Oxford graduate with a master's in biochemistry Now a very efficient recruiter, He’s paved the way ...

"I Built A Recruitment Business Turning Over £2 Million! But I Don't Want To Grow Into A Huge Beast" (Ollie Scott)

07 Mar 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Ollie Scott. Ollie is the founder of Unknown, A recruitment business specialising in placing talent into the creative industrie...

This Recruiter made £1 Million in her back Bedroom

29 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Wendy McDougall. Wendy has a pretty insane story. She managed to bill over £1 million in her first year of setting up her own...

How to Ditch Contingent and Win more Retained

22 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome back to another Episode of TopBillers Toolkit. Today’s guest is the QUEEN of retained search Louise Archer Lousie Helps recruiters who are...

How to create a Multi-Million pound Recruitment Business

09 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Tom Woods. Tom Went from being a 500K biller To set up his own Multi-Million-pound recruitment business On this episode, we'r...

From Sleeping in a basement and -$400 in her bank to becoming TOP SDR in her Company....

25 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

This is the Story of Gabrielle Blackwell *She Escaped an abusive relationship *Moved back in with her uncle *Was sleeping in his basement on an air...

Meet the TikTok Star who's unlocked the Secrets to going Viral

18 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Today, Yasin going to be talking us through his Journey from 0 to 400,000 Followers in just 15 months. He’ll be talking us through the strategies he...

Expert Reveals why Global brands are OBSESSED with Customer Experience

02 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

This is James Dodkins...He's a customer experience rockstar. He's on a mission to help companies craft amazing experiences for their customers...

Meet the Recruiter who solved Marketing (Steve Guest Interview)

19 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Steve Guest is a legend in the recruitment world. His book 'TopBiller' has sold more than 24,000 copies across 72 countries. It's transf...

This sales guy broke the internet with his funny videos

12 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is a Comedy Sales legend... Tom Boston. He's renowned for his insanely hilarious videos. He racks up hundreds of thousands of...

Uk's Most HATED Sales Trainer Is laughing all the way to the Bank....

05 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Today's guest is Benjamin Dennehy. Otherwise known as ‘The UK’s most Hated sales Trainer’ Benjamin has been on quite the journey. He was...

This Recruiter Scaled a Business to 25 Million and LOST IT ALL!

28 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Chris O’Connell. Chris's story is like something out of a movie. He enduring horrible abuse as a kid by his stepmother,  to ...

This Guy has helped hundreds of recruiters raise their prices generating millions more in revenue….

21 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome back to another Episode of Topbillers toolkit. Where me and my twin brother Interview Topbillers from all around the globe to unlock the secre...

This recruiter billed 400K and had 90% Inbound candidates!

15 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Our guest today is Tara Jackson. Tara operates in the SaaS space and has become the go-to expert for placing SDRs.  In just one year, she billed 400k...

This Recruiter has helped HUNDREDS to BD success, ultimate guidance for staying on top.

08 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

James has been working in recruitment for over 20 years and has helped some of the biggest organizations in the world.  He’s now the co-founder of...

At 32, this recruiter scaled a profitable business. Here are her biggest lessons….

01 Sep 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Lauren Windebank. At just 32 years old, Lauren has already managed to scale a successful, profitable recruitment business.  In tod...

This recruiter got 1,000 inbound leads in just 2 years, Here's how

24 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Our guest today is Andrew Macaskill. Andrew has mastered the art of cultivating dynamic, thriving communities. In just 2 years, he managed to get 1,...

This recruiter Billed 800k in one year and 80% was Inbound….

18 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to another episode of Topbillers Toolkit, where me and my twin brother interview top billers from all around the globe to unlock the secrets t...

Recruiter billed 896K working just 4 days a week!

04 Aug 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest is Will McGhee. Will is arguably among the top 5% of recruiters, demonstrating exceptional billing results. For a decade, he sustai...

This Ex-recruiter transformed his sales skills and will hit 750K this year…

28 Jul 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome back to another episode of Topbillers Toolkit, where my twin brother and I interview top billers from all around the world to unlock the secre...