Travel Beyond
Episodes
How Indigo Shire, Australia builds regenerative tourism on Gold Rush history
22 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
This destination, known for its role in the gold rush of the 1800s, is seizing new opportunities to collaborate on regenerative tourism. “Cathedral ...
How visitor data protects trails in Grand Junction, CO
15 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Learn how this Colorado city is protecting “Nature’s Trifecta” and vast public lands that draw outdoor adventurers. Today’s guest is Elizabeth...
Affordable housing at the resort: Industry-leading solutions from Whistler
08 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Decades-long leadership on affordable housing in this resort community has ensured more tourism workers have places to live. Tourism Whistler Presiden...
How a caring, “Mountainkind” community shapes sustainable tourism in Park City, Utah
11 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In Park City, Utah, a little kindness goes a long way, thanks to its “Mountainkind” philosophy, which is shaping sustainable tourism. The idea com...
Winter wins: Turning a tough tourism season into a peak period for Ballarat
04 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
How can a tourism destination turn its toughest season into a peak period? Tourism Midwest Victoria has found an answer. Among other factors, winter e...
How Coffs Coast, Australia became an eco-certified destination through "appropriate growth"
27 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Often, quality beats quantity in sustainable tourism. Simon Latchford from City of Coffs Harbour explains how a strategy of "appropriate growth" can p...
Tourism Jasper works to transform crisis into lasting positive change
20 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
How does a crisis become a catalyst for building a better future? CEO Tyler Riopel at Tourism Jasper joins us to discuss how, in the wake of the 2024 ...
Why regenerative tourism is a way of life, not a label in rural BC
13 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What's in a word? CEO Amy Thacker says that, in her region, the most effective regenerative operators don't see themselves as "sustainable" – they'r...
Sand and Steel: Why Indiana Dunes is showing visitors history, even when it’s uncomfortable
06 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Every place is complex, so why do destinations sometimes shy away from sharing deeper stories with visitors? There’s a benefit to authenticity, says...
Queenstown’s electric innovations: How economic benefits drive carbon-zero tourism
30 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The economic benefits of sustainability must be well communicated to rally people and businesses to take action, says Mat Woods, CEO at Destination Qu...
Beyond Disney: How Kissimmee, FL balances heritage, community, and growth
23 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Kissimmee, Florida, is a surprising destination. Yes, it’s a gateway to Disney World, the planet’s largest single-site employer, but this city sho...
How a world record LGBTQ+ vow renewal became Seattle's tourism success story
16 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Seattle's Love Boat for All initiative celebrated the 50th anniversary of Seattle Pride and set world records in the process. Jacky Danyluk from Visit...
Why slow tourism leads to richer connections in Taos, NM
09 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Taos, New Mexico is filled with inspiration for the sustainability-minded. Here, a centuries-old acequia irrigation system continues to unite the comm...
How 180 community workshops changed the future of BC tourism
02 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
During the 2010s, the Thompson Okanagan Tourism Association (TOTA) in British Columbia led a region-wide effort to become North America's first Biosph...
Why tourism is Canada's underrated superpower
25 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Marsha Walden, CEO at Destination Canada, outlines the huge tourism opportunity ahead for communities across Canada. We apply this thinking to a real-...
Cosmic views: How Michigan's Keweenaw Peninsula became a dark sky destination
18 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Keweenaw, MI is home to a first-of-its-kind, certified dark sky park. Brad Barnett from Visit Keweenaw shares how a public-private partnership led to ...
Valuing the workforce: Supporting hospitality workers through local partnerships – Marquette E5
11 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In this conversation, Andrew Rickauer from United Way of Marquette County explains how local partnerships, often including tourism businesses, are hel...
From taproom to watershed: A brewery rooted in place and responsibility – Marquette E4
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Ore Dock Brewing Company in Marquette, Michigan is creating a space where locals and visitors come together to learn, celebrate, and protect what make...
From promotion to purpose: Storytelling for responsible tourism – Marquette E3
28 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
With Aaron Peterson, filmmaker and co-founder of the Fresh Coast Film Festival Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
What your local historian can teach you about responsible growth – Marquette E2
21 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What can a destination’s past teach us about its future? In this episode, Marquette historian and storyteller Jim Koski explores how transformations...
Rooted in respect: How Travel Marquette leads with care and collaboration – Marquette E1
14 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What happens when tourism is rooted in local pride and environmental responsibility? In this episode, Susan Estler, CEO of Travel Marquette, shares ho...
What makes a meaningful travel experience? Conditions for success in Ontario’s Southwest
05 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
From beekeepers to woodworkers, passionate artisans in Ontario’s Southwest are giving visitors skills and memories to last a lifetime. Joanne Wolnik...
How a new shipping container market is sparking civic pride in the gateway to Northern BC
29 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
As this industrial hub of 80,000 people faces economic transitions from traditional forestry, Tourism Prince George in northern British Columbia is en...
How the ʔiisaak Pledge is transforming Tofino travel
23 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What happens when tourism strains local services, and what can be done about it? In this episode, Brad Parsell of Tourism Tofino shares how the commun...
CopenPay returns, now rewarding train travel and longer stays
03 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
CopenPay is back in the Danish capital this summer, and this year's program looks to make an even bigger impact on the environment and visitors. How? ...
How tourism provides teachers up to $500,000 a year in eco-friendly Port Aransas
27 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Port Aransas, Texas, is a small beach town with big ideas about sustainable tourism and community care. In this episode, Brett Stawar explains how tou...
Tourism and fire resilience: How the Mammoth Donut is keeping the Sierra Nevada safe
21 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
When wildfire threatens everything, how does a tourism destination respond? Mammoth Lakes Tourism is supporting one of the boldest regional fire preve...
How Madison, WI is becoming a Midwest beacon of inclusivity
13 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Madison, Wisconsin is charting a bold path where inclusion and sustainability shape everyday life. In this episode, Ellie Westman Chin shares how wome...
How travel is protecting kiwi and planting forests in Hauraki Coromandel
06 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
What if every visit made the world a better place? By protecting the kiwi and inviting visitors to plant native trees, Destination Hauraki Coromandel ...
Slow travel, strong community: Marquette’s model for respectful tourism
29 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, Travel Marquette is leading a community-wide effort to protect the region’s natural beauty and culture. CEO Susan E...
Shift into Park Mode: How new transit options help protect Banff and Lake Louise
23 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
The challenge isn’t the number of people, it’s the number of cars.” In Banff National Park, new transit options are helping visitors slow down a...
Copenhagen’s visitors take home green souvenirs – Replay
14 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Like a souvenir that takes up no room in your suitcase, learning has always fit perfectly with travel experiences. Two Copenhagen entrepreneurs share ...
Want travellers to be greener? Rely on rewards, says Copenhagen
08 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
From bike riding to urban gardening, Copenhagen’s 2024 pilot project, CopenPay, rewarded visitors for their sustainable actions. Learn how the city ...
How Bend vacations are building a city people want to live in
01 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Where do your vacation dollars go after they're spent? In Bend, Oregon, the answer might surprise you. In this episode of Travel Beyond, Nate Wyeth of...
Building the future together: How Aboriginal title is reshaping tourism – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E11
25 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jimmy Lulua is a past Elected Chief of Xeni Gwet’in First Nation. Today, he’s helping tourism businesses understand how to develop long-term relat...
Altitude with purpose: How Bella Coola Heli Sports is funding sustainability from the skies – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E10
18 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Tourism businesses often spark positive change. Beat Steiner, owner of Bella Coola Heli Sports, shares insights on balancing community, climate, and c...
Integrating Indigenous voices into heritage tourism: Lessons from Barkerville – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E9
11 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Storytelling is a powerful catalyst for reconciliation, with historic sites worldwide increasingly recognizing their role in sharing untold stories th...
Future-proofing ecotourism: The story of Bella Coola Grizzly Tours – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E8
04 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Tourism operator Shannon Lansdowne is carrying on her family’s legacy at Bella Coola Grizzly Tours, a business her father transformed from a grizzly...
Renewable experiences: EVs and a community vision – Načiks (Tofino) S2 E6
25 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Can both residents and tourists change their travel habits in favour of EVs? In this episode, entrepreneur Gordon Taylor, member of Yuułuʔiłʔatḥ...
The Indigenous entrepreneur tending BC’s largest kelp farm – Načiks (Tofino) S2 E5
18 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
An Indigenous fishery is bringing new opportunities to First Nations on Vancouver Island and to Tofino entrepreneurs like Stevie Dennis. As a kelp ran...
How queer advocacy reinforces environmental action – Načiks (Tofino) S2 E4
11 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
“I think we can look side to side and find so much solidarity with people who are working in any given region towards a future that is more eq...
“This is a garden”: Lessons from a 50-year stewardship legacy – Načiks (Tofino) S2 E3
04 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
How can independent businesses best educate and connect with visitors? In this episode, Maureen Fraser, Owner of the Common Loaf Bake Shop, draws from...
Nurturing cultural pride through Indigenous hospitality and mentorship – Načiks (Tofino) S2 E2
28 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
How can tourism create Indigenous spaces that foster growth, opportunity, and meaningful representation? In this episode, Maria Clark, Assistant Gener...
Culture keepers: Showing visitors what it means to be Nuu-chah-nulth – Načiks (Tofino) S2 E1
21 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
“It really comes back to ?iisaak. It comes back to respect.” To create a more balanced and inclusive future for tourism, it’s essential to ...
How you can help the travel industry lead systemic change
17 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
On this episode of Travel Beyond, sustainability leader Auden Schendler shares a bold vision for tackling the climate crisis, revealing how the touris...
Copenhagen and guests share lessons on destination leadership, KPIs, and collaboration
10 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Travel’s full impact on society – both positive and negative – is not often fully understood or discussed. But that’s starting to change. Toda...
What does effective leadership look like right now?
03 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In a world where the old playbooks no longer work, biologist and environmental professional Veronica Woodruff explores how adaptability, collaboration...
Changing the Narrative: Truth-Telling in Tourism
26 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In 2019, a living history museum in Barkerville, British Columbia began incorporating First Nations perspectives into its storytelling, largely due to...
What if we treated travel as part of the ecosystem?
19 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
When highways wash out, tourism stops—highlighting the deep connection between travel and the environment. In this episode, biologist and environmen...
Adapting to tourism’s evolving relationship with wildlife – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E6
12 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Leonard Ellis knows more than most tourism operators what it means to pivot a business. Over his 50-year career, and as the owner of Bella Coola Grizz...
Finding balance through tourism and agriculture – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E5
05 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
She’s a CEO by day and a farmer by night, but in both roles, Amy Thacker is working to help people connect with the lands where they live and visit....
Beyond the image: Using storytelling to inspire environmental action – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E4
29 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Chris Harris, a renowned photographer and adventurer, shares his deep connection to British Columbia’s Cariboo Chilcotin Coast region and his effort...
Electric innovations: Queenstown as a testbed for rapid decarbonization
22 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
How can the private sector work for public good? Rod Drury is a serial entrepreneur and Founder of Xero, a successful tech company based in Aotearoa N...
Equity in tourism: How travel is helping destinations become more equitable places to live
15 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
How can travel contribute to creating more equitable communities? Ben Lyman, Head of Communications at the Travel Foundation and Bernadette Papp, Seni...
How travel businesses can go beyond offsetting to accelerate real decarbonization
08 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
What can travel businesses do to make a substantial impact in their climate actions? Shannon Guihan, Chief Sustainability Officer at The Travel Corpor...
100 Solutions for a Better Travel Tomorrow
01 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Launched on World Tourism Day, 100 Travel Innovations is a collaborative effort among destinations worldwide to spotlight existing solutions to our mo...
Behind the scenes mini-sode: 24 Hours of Travel Innovation on World Tourism Day
24 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Travel has the capacity to create positive change, and in many places around the world, it's already happening. The team at Destination Think has been...
Lead Tourism for Good: The 10-year vision behind Canada’s most iconic destination
17 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
If it was your job to invite the world to visit one of Canada's most famous travel destinations while also working fiercely alongside the tourism indu...
Pause, listen, grow: How an emerging tourism town puts community first – Cochrane, Alberta
10 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“When we travel, we pause.” Callandra Caufield knows travel can be transformative. She also knows it can transform communities for better and for ...
E-bikes and electric Zambonis are helping sports fans breathe easier in Vernon, BC
03 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
For hockey fans, the Zamboni has long been a fixture at arenas for treating ice surfaces before games and in between periods. And for just as long, th...
Your move, travel industry: Carbon removal is poised for growth – AirMiners Part 2
27 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Today, we turn toward travel’s role in supporting carbon removal. For Tito Jankowski of AirMiners, travel doesn’t have a future without this clima...
The next exponential solution? AirMiners and carbon removal – AirMiners Part 1
20 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Is carbon removal about to take off? What is its potential for large-scale impact as a climate solution? As the Co-Founder and CEO of AirMiners, Tito ...
The circumstances of change: Innovation at UBC’s Creative Destruction Lab
13 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Under what circumstances would change be possible? Questions like these fuel the work of Paul Cubbon, whose leadership at the University of British Co...
Hope and a reality check from Dr. Susanne Becken, sustainable tourism professor
06 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Dr. Susanne Becken has been studying sustainable tourism for more than 20 years and is an experienced science communicator. As a researcher and Profes...
Finding travel’s purpose again – an updated chat with Dutch strategist Ewout Versloot
30 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Let’s reflect on why we care about using travel to make the world a better place. It’s something Ewout, a strategist with the Netherlands Board of...
How guided tours help preserve nature – Bend E6
23 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
People are going to explore, and it matters how they do it. Bend’s Wanderlust Tours guides visiting explorers is a way that preserves the lands and ...
Bottom-up solutions: The bike shop making Bend better – Bend E5
16 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“All we’re doing is building relationships.” Pine Mountain Sports is a solar-powered bike shop with a commitment to making Bend a better place t...
Tourism’s impact on Tribal lands: Warm Springs Reservation – Bend E4
09 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Around 50% of Bend’s visitors arrive by travelling through the nearby Warm Springs Reservation. Local artist and radio producer Marge Kalama discuss...
Why “complete communities” make more sustainable places – Bend E3
02 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
What began as one lawyer’s mission to save a forest is now Central Oregon LandWatch, an NGO overseeing rural and urban planning related to lands, wa...
Learning from resident sentiment studies at OSU’s Sustainable Tourism Lab – Bend E2
25 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
How do locals really feel about tourism? Todd Montgomery is answering that question through the Oregon State University Sustainable Tourism Lab, which...
How Bend reinvests tourism dollars into local services – Bend E1
18 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
During her time as Visit Bend’s first Sustainability Director, Serena Gordon worked to help locals reap the rewards of their hometown’s popularity...
Grenada’s reef pyramids and legacy restoration projects
11 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Undersea pyramids and above-ground mangrove forests are the topics of discussion today as we visit the Caribbean Conference on Sustainable Tourism Dev...
Conversations the travel industry isn’t having yet – Replay and update
04 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Which conversations are we avoiding in the travel industry? Destination managers and travel industry leaders are under increasing public pressure to f...
Meaningful tourism and sustainable living at the Danish Architecture Center – Copenhagen E5
28 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The director of the Danish Architecture Center highlights the center's role as a catalyst for promoting sustainable urban development. We explore how ...
Bringing Copenhagen back home: How travel impacts grassroots sustainability – Copenhagen E4
21 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Like a souvenir that takes up no room in your suitcase, learning has always fit perfectly with travel. And some entrepreneurs in Copenhagen have taken...
Lighthouses showing the way to true sustainability – Copenhagen E3
14 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The solutions to the world's problems already exist, says architect Anders Lendager. This episode, Anders tells us about his journey towards sustainab...
The two biggest jobs ahead for travel destinations – Copenhagen E2
07 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Travel destinations can gather support to lead large-scale sustainability actions, says Wonderful Copenhagen CEO Mikkel Aarø-Hansen. He shares how hi...
Don’t copy, be inspired: Learning from Copenhagen’s longest-serving mayor – Copenhagen E1
30 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
“Don’t copy, be inspired.” What’s it like to have a long-term vision and then see it come true? We get into it with Jens Kramer Mikkelsen, Cop...
Part 2: Teaching visitors the value of restoration – Načiks (Tofino) E6
23 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
How can travellers make a positive impact when they visit and take home some sustainable values? Two leaders from local NGOs in Načiks (Tofino) tell ...
Part 1: Teaching visitors the value of restoration – Načiks (Tofino) E6
16 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
How can travellers make a positive impact when they visit and take home sustainable values? Two leaders from local NGOs in Načiks (Tofino) tell us ab...
The allyship journey: How tourism businesses are collaborating toward a better future – Načiks (Tofino) E5
09 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
How to be an ally to First Nations? Within Tofino’s tourism industry, one way is to pledge your business to the Tribal Parks Allies program. The pro...
Why wilderness is a myth: Tribal Parks Guardians and the language of respect – Načiks (Tofino) E4
02 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
The travel industry has been selling “wilderness” adventures for a long time. But does wilderness really exist? This episode we learn from two Tla...
Tribal Park Allies: Forming a coalition to steward the environment – Načiks (Tofino) E3
26 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In 1984, a logging blockade led to the creation of the first Tribal Park near Tofino, British Columbia. Four decades later, the Tribal Parks Allies pr...
Stewardship solutions from Ahousaht First Nation – Načiks (Tofino) E2
19 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
A social enterprise and a stewardship fee from tourism businesses are two ways Ahousaht First Nation is regaining the ability to control its tourism d...
“This beautiful place was fought for.” – Načiks (Tofino) E1
12 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
This season of Travel Beyond shows a way forward for every place threatened by climate risks or grappling with what it means to host visitors on Indig...
Corporate sustainability has failed: Here’s a better lever for change
05 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Auden Schendler is a decades-long corporate sustainability veteran and climate leader with Aspen Skiing Company. He shares what’s worked, what hasn’...
Bhutan’s 50-year quest for sustainable visitation – Replay and update
27 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Since 2022, Bhutan’s Sustainable Development Fee has gone through some dramatic changes, rising from $65 to $200 per day before falling to $100 with...
Why sustainability includes culture, language, and land – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E3
20 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Travellers are always looking for connection, says Sunrise When the Salmon Come (Cheryl Chapman). Cheryl works with Indigenous Tourism BC to make that...
Celebrating rural innovations and combating “impact fatigue” – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E2
13 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In 2017 came the wildfires. In 2020, the pandemic. In a time of dramatic changes and climate risks, it’s easy to see why this region might be feelin...
Truth and visitation: How exposing painful histories through travel can bring healing – Cariboo Chilcotin Coast E1
06 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Can travel lead to truth and reconciliation? Mike Retasket, former five-term Chief of Bonaparte First Nation in British Columbia, describes how he sha...
Uplifting experiences: Ziptrek Ecotours shares its carbon-accounting journey – Queenstown Lakes Solutions E2
30 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Hop on the gondola – here’s another tourism operator leading the way to carbon zero in Queenstown Lakes. Trent Yeo tells us about building a busin...
The net-positive-energy lodge bringing Queenstown Lakes toward carbon zero – Queenstown Lakes Solutions E1
23 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
What do sustainable solutions in travel really look like? We visit The Headwaters Eco Lodge at Camp Glenorchy, where Rodney tours through a whole host...
Conversations the travel industry isn’t having yet | Europe’s Travel Leaders E8
16 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Which conversations are we avoiding in the travel industry? Destination managers and travel industry leaders are under increasing public pressure to f...
Changemakers live here: Lessons from 3 more places that inspired us this year
12 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Noosa’s residents and council are teaming up, Alaska’s bursting with new energy, and tourism on Fogo Island has a nutritious impact. Destination T...
The advantage and responsibility of being first – Europe’s Travel Leaders E7
05 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Copenhagen is often thought of as the greenest city in the world. But they didn’t earn that title by accident. We sit down with the CEO at Wonderful...
Green waves of change: Lessons from Valencia | Europe’s Travel Leaders E6
28 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
97% of Valencia’s inhabitants live within 300 metres of green urban areas and it’s set to be named 2024’s Green Capital by the European Commissi...
Building alliances, driving EVs, and changing mindsets in Oslo – Europe's Travel Leaders E5
21 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Carbon Neutral by 2030: that’s what Oslo is tirelessly working toward. From a harbour that’s clean enough to swim in for the first time in years t...
Glasgow: the ongoing impact of COP26 - Europe's Travel Leaders E5
14 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Glasgow has always been a city driven by innovation, and its ambition led it to be selected for hosting COP26 back in 2021. In two years, the legacy o...
Canada’s most northern greenhouse: Innovations bringing Inuvik into balance | Inuvik E4
07 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Inuvik residents are making sustainable practices happen as they adapt to a changing climate in the Arctic. We learn about innovations in agriculture,...
Visiting climate scientists talk travel and the North | Invuik E3
02 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Inuvik is a northern gathering point for climate scientists. Two of them share their perspectives on, travel, the changing climate, and communicating ...