Tri Talking Sport
Episodes
Sean Conway Endurance Adventurer: Pushing Limits in Pursuit of Extraordinary
25 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Endurance adventurer Sean Conway has lived a life defined by adventure, resilience and a relentless desire to do hard things. Driven by curiosity and ...
Aisling Coppinger & Rob Cummins: Stronger Together in Life, Love and Sport
28 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
Our first guests of 2026 are familiar names in endurance sport here in Ireland; Rob Cummins and Aisling Coppinger who share with us an honest and insp...
Natalie Grabow Triathlete: Defying Age Through Passion and Determination
31 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Natalie Grabow made history by becoming the first woman ever to finish the Ironman World Championship in Kona at the age of 80, a milestone that stand...
Solveig Løvseth OLY: Journey to IRONMAN World Champion
17 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Norway's Solveig Løvseth made an immediate impact on long-distance racing in 2025, setting the fastest time ever recorded for a female professional o...
Daragh Morgan, Endurance Adventurer: The Swim Éire Story
26 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Endurance Adventurer, Daragh Morgan from Dublin recently completed one of the most extraordinary challenges ever undertaken on Irish shores, a gruelli...
Loughlin Campion: Resilience, Recovery & Racing The IRONMAN World Championship
24 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Loughlin Campion is an Irish endurance athlete who crossed the finish line of the 2025 IRONMAN World Championship in Nice as the fastest Irish athlete...
Luke Ambler: Mission Possible, From Tragedy to Triumph
27 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Following the tragic loss of his brother-in-law nine years ago, Luke co-founded the charity Andy's Man Club, a peer-to-peer support movement giving me...
Alistair Brownlee OBE: The Relentless Pursuit of Excellence
23 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Alistair Brownlee OBE is a true legend of triathlon, widely regarded as one of the greatest short-course triathletes of all time. A two-time Olympic g...
Lizzie Rayner Professional Triathlete: Breakthroughs, Battles and Big Goals
02 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Lizzie Rayner is a British professional triathlete whose journey into elite sport began with a childhood immersed in many sports from swimming and hoc...
Tom Dolan: ‘The Flying Irishman’, From Farm to Figaro
28 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Irish Sailor Tom Dolan from Co. Meath has carved a most unexpected career for himself on the high seas. Winner of the 2024 Solitaire du Figaro Papre...
Laura McEvoy: Redefining Limits, Thriving Beyond Trauma
30 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
In October 2022 at the age of 20, Laura McEvoy from Northern Ireland was involved in a devastating car accident that changed her life forever, leaving...
Nora 'Nono' McHugh: Leadership, Legacy And A Love of Sport
26 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Nora 'Nono' McHugh from Galway is a true pioneer in Irish sport. She made history in 1973 as the first-ever captain of the Irish Women's National Foot...
Philip Doyle Olympian: Rowing, Resilience and the Relentless Pursuit of Excellence
29 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Two time Olympian Philip Doyle secured a historic bronze medal for Ireland in Rowing at the Paris Olympics with his teammate Daire Lynch. With an impr...
Laura Philipp IRONMAN World Champion: Train Smart, Have Fun, Kick Ass
13 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
In September of this year, Germany's Laura Philipp was crowned the 2024 Vinfast IRONMAN World Champion in a thrilling race in Nice, France. Her rise t...
Paul Kaye IRONMAN Announcer: Passion, Purpose and The Power of Sport
23 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Paul Kaye is one of the best known and much loved voices of IRONMAN, a proud South African who from a young age was well travelled and exposed to many...
Youri Keulen Professional Triathlete: Chasing Greatness in Sport
28 Aug 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Youri Keulen is a 25 year old professional triathlete from The Netherlands. The eldest of triplets, he has been paving a path in sport from a young ...
Fiona Mangan: Professional Cyclist, From Gaelic Football to Cycling Glory
31 Jul 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Irish Professional cyclist Fiona Mangan from Limerick has been blazing a trail on two wheels since switching her focus to cycling in 2020. The Biome...
Mondello24: Galway Bay Cycling Club, Going All In For The Win
26 Jun 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Last weekend a team of four riders from Galway Bay Cycling Club were crowned this year's Mondello24 Cycle four person team Champions securing a new co...
Greg O'Shea : Olympian & IRONMAN: The Pursuit of Success in Life, Love and Sport
08 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Greg O’Shea is a proud Olympian, IRONMAN and Limerick man who spent a few short days in the Love Island Villa in 2019 and was catapulted to fame whe...
Annie Brooks: Triathlete Embracing Epilepsy and Living Life to the Full
10 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Triathlete Annie Brooks from the UK was diagnosed with epilepsy in 2012, in 2014 she completed her first triathlon and in October 2023 conquered the I...
Lucy Gossage, Nikki Bartlett & Bex Milnes: Inside the Montane Spine Race
06 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Lucy Gossage, Nikki Bartlett and Bex Milnes share wonderful insight into Lucy's recent remarkable Montane Spine Race achievement which she conquered i...
Aichlinn O'Reilly: Professional Triathlete: From Westport to Western Australia
17 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Irish professional triathlete Aichlinn O'Reilly, set a new Irish IRONMAN record in a time of 7:59:04, finishing in 6th place at IM Western Australia i...
Bob Babbitt: Trailblazer, Innovator, Storyteller, IRONMAN
20 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bob Babbitt, is an icon and legend of the sport of triathlon, he fell in love with the sport when he completed his first IRONMAN in 1980 in Oahu, that...
Lucy Charles-Barclay: IRONMAN World Champion, On Top of the World
08 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
British triathlete Lucy Charles-Barclay last month completed a hat trick of World Titles in three years by becoming the 2023 IRONMAN World Champion, f...
Helen Murray: Triathlete and Adventurer, Inside the Inside Tri Show
04 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Helen Murray is the voice behind the hugely popular podcast Inside Tri Show, she has been involved in media for many years fulfilling her goal of work...
Anna Grealish: Overcoming Grief and Healing Through Triathlon
12 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Anna Grealish is the Women in Sport and Youth Programme Lead with Triathlon Ireland, she has been involved in the sport of triathlon for many years, i...
David Gillick Olympian: Life in the Fast Lane
07 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Olympian David Gillick is the Irish 400m indoor and outdoor record holder and two-time 400m European Champion who has dedicated a huge portion of his ...
Shane Williams MBE: Triathlon, I’m Hooked, It Makes Me Feel So Good
03 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Shane Williams is a household name in sport worldwide, the former Welsh International rugby player is regarded as one of the greatest wingers and play...
Ben Goodfellow Triathlete: Swapping A Gaming Addiction For A Successful Life in Sport
19 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
British triathlete Ben Goodfellow took up triathlon in 2017, since then he has gone from strength to strength in the sport. In 2022 he had an incredib...
Indie Lee Professional Triathlete: Goals, Gumption and Self Belief
05 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
British Professional triathlete Indie Lee recently kickstarted her 2023 season with a podium finish at IRONMAN 70.3 Lanzarote finishing in second plac...
Paddy McLaughlin: Challenging Your Comfort Zone
22 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Paddy McLaughlin of Podiumfit.ie has embraced a life in triathlon and sport as both his profession and his passion. Working in sport and fitness for o...
Tricia Strelioff: Finding My Tribe Through A Life In Sport
08 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Tricia Strelioff from Canada has spent the last 20 years in Ireland embracing a life in sport. A chartered physiotherapist working out of her practi...
Rhys McClenaghan: Olympian & World Champion Gymnast
22 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Irish Olympian and World Champion Gymnast Rhys McClenaghan has been blazing a trail in gymnastics since first taking up the sport as a young boy, and ...
Caitriona Jennings Olympian: The Reluctant Ultra Runner
08 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Ten years on from the London Olympics she has certainly come into her own as a force to be reckoned with over ultra distance running as one of the bes...
Ellen Vitting: Rising To The Challenge of Ultra Endurance Adventures
25 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Winner of the 2022 Seven Sisters Skyline in Donegal covering 55 kilometres and 4,000 metres of climbing in a time of 8:37:20 she won the race with a t...
Chloe & Judith MacCombe Para Triathletes: The Tandem Twins
11 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Racing with their respective guides Anne Paul and Catherine Sands the girls had some great results in 2022. Some highlights for Chloe include; 2nd a...
Shauna Doellken O'Shea Triathlete: Being an Athlete Is Part of My Identity
28 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Winner of the Joey Hannon Triathlon, TriAthy Sprint, Hell of the West, Blackwater Olympic and Worlds End Triathlon, she was 2nd female at IRONMAN Irel...
Ciara Wilson Elite Multisport Athlete: Sport Is A Way of Life
14 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Taking on a middle distance triathlon for the first time this year, Ciara came away with the bronze medal in the National Middle Distance Championship...
Ailbhe Carroll Elite Irish Triathlete: I Simply Love Triathlon
30 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Taking up triathlon at the age of sixteen, the now thirty-one-year-old has successfully raced triathlon at home and abroad and despite the rollercoast...
Craig Alexander OAM: Passion and Purpose in Sport
16 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
He was the first athlete to win both the IRONMAN and IRONMAN 70.3 World Championship in the same year in 2011, is the recipient of an Order of Austral...
Cherie Gruenfeld Triathlete: I Will Never Quit
19 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
An incredible achievement for the author, advocate, coach and all-round inspirational athlete who has achieved more in sport than many of us can only ...
Nathan Forde Triathlete: The Fight Goes On
05 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In August 2021, Nathan was leading the British National Triathlon Championships when he suffered life changing injuries in an accident during the cycl...
Tom Rigby Triathlete: Breaking The Tape
21 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Tom was the third fastest age group athlete at IRONMAN UK last year and in 2019 he was fifth fastest overall and second in his age group at IRONMAN UK...
Mike Reilly: You ARE an IRONMAN
07 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
An outpouring of love, support and gratitude was shared across the world for Mike after his announcement, much deserved for the man who in Kona, Hawai...
IRONMAN Ireland: Insight From The Fastest Irish Age Group Athletes
24 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In this episode, the athletes share some of their backgrounds in sport, from GAA and athletics to swimming, badminton and hockey. They give us some ...
Patricia McGinley: Cycling Saved My Life
10 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Taking up cycling and indeed ultra-cycling in recent years, she has completed the Joe Barr 200 twice and the TJB Coastal 330 as well as taking on the ...
Gabriel Walsh: Embracing a Life of Adventure, Freedom and Fun
27 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Gabriel's curiosity and fascination with exploring and adventure has seen him take on an Arctic Circle Expedition as well as an epic 3,200 km cycling ...
Becky Woods Triathlete: Never Standing Still
13 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Working as a speech and language therapist in the NRH in Dublin, sport is not only her passion but it's also her outlet for fun, socialising and deliv...
The Inside Track at Mondello24: Featuring The Cycling Ireland Women’s Commission Team
29 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
With 24 hours of cycling around the 3.4km (approx.) track, riders could race as a solo, two, four or eight-person team for the event. I was thrilled...
Katie O’Brien Para Rower: Galway Girl, Going for Gold
15 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Her journey has ebbed and flowed along the way, but Katie has powered through each obstacle, winning multiple medals and accolades, Katie represents I...
Annalise Murphy Olympian: Life on the Water
01 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
A European and World Champion and in 2016 at the Rio Olympic she secured Ireland's first medal in sailing since 1980. She became the Female World Cham...
The Tri Commute: IRONMAN World Championship Special
27 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This is a special edition and bonus episode of Tri Talking Sport where Helen Murray, host of The Inside Tri Show and I collaborated on a special one-h...
Hilary Hughes Triathlete: Going All In
18 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Other notable results include National Middle Distance Champion 2019 and 2021, National Duathlon Champion 2021, Individual Pursuit Champion 2018. At t...
Mick Clohisey: The Joy of Running
04 May 2022
Contributed by Lukas
A two time National Marathon Champion, taking the 2018 title at the Dublin Marathon and the 2021 title at the Belfast Marathon whilst also winning thi...
Oliver Harkin Triathlete: Going Long & Living The Tri Life
20 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Embracing the tri life, sport has become a huge part of his every day. He has raced nine IRONMAN events since first dipping his toes into long-distanc...
James Edgar Elite Triathlete: Edging Out The Competition
06 Apr 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The 2018 Commonwealth Games athlete has had some superb results since taking up triathlon in 2010, including being crowned the National Sprint Distanc...
Damian Browne & Fergus Farrell: Project Empower – The Big Row From New York to Galway
23 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Taking on the mammoth task in May of this year they are each no stranger to uphill battles be it in sport or in life. Damian, a former guest on the po...
Alice Sharpe & Mia Griffin: Irish Cyclists Going Full Gas
09 Mar 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Mia, a former Kilkenny Camogie player came to cycling through the Cycling Ireland Talent Transfer programme and swapped her hurley and sliotar on the ...
Erin McConnell: Elite Irish Triathlete Making Waves on the International Stage
23 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
In June of last year she raced in the Europe Triathlon Aquathlon Championships where she took home a bronze medal in the Elite Women's race and a silv...
Eoin Keith: Ultra Endurance Runner, Going the Distance
09 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Other accolades held by Eoin include being crowned the 24 hour and six-day Irish running champion. As well as placing fifth in the World 24 Hour Run...
Going to the Extreme: Tales From A North Channel Relay Swim
26 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
The team of Ger Kennedy, Dave Berry, Declan Bradshaw, Vincent Donegan, Colm Morris and Niamh McCarthy share their tales from the epic expedition in th...
Mark Coady Triathlete: Going All In For A 24 Hour Triathlon
12 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Whilst most of the rest of us were wondering if it was still ok to eat a selection box before lunch or if it was too early in the morning at 11am to h...
Pat Cooke: Rogers Endurance Athlete: Faith, Love and A Life in Sport
29 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Taking up triathlon in her early 40s, the mum of four has been participating in triathlon and adventure sport for over 20 years. Embracing triathlon...
Nicolas Roche Professional Cyclist: Life on Two Wheels From Racing to Retirement
15 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Based in Monaco, he is the son of one of Ireland's most prolific and accomplished cyclists Stephen Roche. Nico carved his own way in the sport of cycl...
Cormac Ryan: Achill to Athens The Biking Adventure of A Lifetime
01 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Cycling however isn't Cormac's first love, no as a GAA mad sports fan it was life with a sliotar and hurley that Cormac had envisaged for himself, wit...
Robson Lindberg Triathlete: Defying The Odds To Prove Anything Is Possible
17 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
His injuries from being body checked included 8 brain bleeds including an 8mm bleed. Robson had to relearn how to complete some of the most basic task...
Karen Cassidy Endurance Cyclist: Going Solo and Soaring to Success
03 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Having originally planned to participate in the Race Around Ireland Ultra in 2021, when this event fell victim to Covid she jumped at the chance to ra...
Shannon Kelly Triathlete: Reaching for the Stars
20 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
A cardiac scan as part of a requirement to race with a triathlon team in France saw her sidelined when it was discovered she had a blood clot and was ...
Seán Hernon Ultra Cyclist: Going Long & Embracing Adventure
06 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Kickstarting his ultra-cycling career with the Race Around Ireland in 2009, it has been a roller coaster of a ride with many mountains and kilometres ...
Maeve Gallagher Triathlete: When Three Sports Are Better than One
22 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
In 2019 she represented Ireland in three separate European Championships across cycling, triathlon and cross country running, which is quite a remarka...
Ellie Salthouse Professional Triathlete: On a Winning Streak to Achieving Her Goals
08 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Splitting her time between her home in Australia and her adopted home in Boulder Colorado the former ITU athlete and Youth Olympic Silver Medalist alm...
Fenella Langridge Professional Triathlete: I'm Just A Big Kid At HeartÂ
25 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Fenella says she is just a big kid at heart and loves what she does. With the biggest smile on her face she finished Challenge Daytona in 7th positi...
Sam Laidlow Professional Triathlete: I Want to Win Kona
11 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
With a string of successes to his name already including; the winner of the Bearman Xtreme Long Distance race in 2017 and the Lakesman in 2019 he set ...
Lydia Dant: Triathlete Phoenix Rising
28 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It was joining Team Passion Fit in 2018 that her journey as a triathlete really started to take shape and notably her ability and tenacity as an athle...
Padraig Marrey: Mad For Road With An Appetite For Adventure
14 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As a youngster his bike was his mode of transport to get to school and his swimming lessons, the thrill of adventure and opportunity for fun started h...
Brian Fogarty: Exercise Is My Drug
30 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
He has a string of wins to his name including fastest overall amateur at IRONMAN Lanzarote in 2019 which saw him finish 11th overall on the day, as ...
Kimberley Morrison Professional Triathlete: Embracing Life in Sport
16 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It was a rollercoaster start in life for Kim as she underwent open heart surgery at just three years of age at Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital...
Keith Russell: Running With Purpose And Love For Alanna
02 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Keith's running journey started in 2016 with his daughter Alanna, running the Dublin Marathon with her in 2017, capturing and captivating the hearts o...
Aoife Cooke: Reigniting a Love of Running To Fulfil An Olympic Dream
19 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Aoife is a proud member of Eagle A.C. and has represented the club over a multitude of distances from 5km to marathon. In her late teens Aoife atten...
Ger Prendergast: Ultra Endurance Triathlete Building Confidence and Resilience Through Sport
05 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
The winner of the Deca UK in 2017, Ger completed 52 Long distance triathlons in 2018 which included a double, a continuous triple, a quinn and an indo...
Hannah Shields: The Courage to Conquer the World
21 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Hannah took up running at the age of 34 and has represented her club and country at local and international level, winning national and international ...
Heather Foley: Guts, Grit, Determination and Love of Sport
07 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Heather won the national road race cycling championships in 2009 and broke both the national 10 and 25 mile TT records within a year of switching from...
Cath Pendleton: Merthyr Mermaid Breaking the Ice
24 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Cath’s swimming accolades include swimming the English Channel in 2018, which began with her taking a notion to google how do you swim the Channel. ...
Gavin Noble Olympian: The Joy of Success in Elite Sport
10 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As an athlete Gavin began Triathlon in 1995 and won at every level from Youth, including a British Junior Title, to senior, over every distance nation...
Daire Feeley: The Highs and Lows of Life on The Road
24 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Spending a number of years abroad chasing his cycling dreams he returned to Ireland last year having made the decision to retire as a professional ath...
Joe Skipper Professional Triathlete: Far From An Average Joe
10 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Competing in his first triathlon in 2010, he has gone from strength to strength and steadily grown in stature and success since he took up the sport. ...
Annah Watkinson Professional Triathlete: Discipline, Dedication & Determination
27 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It was running initially that led Annah to the world of endurance sport, she quickly became hooked on triathlon and was almost instantly a successful ...
Emma Pallant Professional Triathlete: Performance, Perspective and Positivity
13 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
She narrowly missed qualification for the Beijing Olympics in 2008 then injury saw her miss London 2012. Despite the disappointment that ensued it did...
Gerry Duffy: The Gift of Running
30 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We chat about facing his fears, stepping up to the challenge, respecting goals, the importance of exercise and mindset and how the pivotal decision ...
Michelle Heneghan Professional Triathlete: Claremorris to Canada Enjoying the TriLife
16 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
It wasn’t until she moved to Canada in 2010 that the running bug caught up with her again, she then found triathlon and endurance sport in 2012 wh...
Nikki Bradley: Adaptive Adventurer Scaling Heights In A Life With No Limits
02 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
She is the founder of fitness-based awareness campaign ‘Fighting Fit For Ewing’s’ which involves participating in physical challenges such as an...
Tiffiny Quinn: Savouring The Magic Of Ice Swimming
18 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This brave ice swimmer with a warm heart has completed an ice mile swim and multiple kilometre and 500m ice swims, representing Ireland in two World C...
June McMinn and Gerard Turbitt: Triathletes, Growing Older Whilst Savouring Success in Sport
04 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
June who is now 62, completed her first IRONMAN and winning her age group in Barcelona in 2018 on her 60th birthday, she went on to have an incredible...
Mark Allen: Legend of Triathlon
21 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
He first dipped his toe in IRONMAN racing in 1982 going up against the best in the world at the time Dave Scott, it took Mark multiple attempts until ...
Shauna Bocquet and Pauline Murray: A Life of Opportunity Through Sport
07 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Shauna Bocquet from Craughwell AC who at 16 years of age is a Triple Junior World Champion in wheelchair racing, took up the sport at just 8 years of ...
Rachel Nolan: Embracing A Life of Adventure
23 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
She has adventure and exploration coursing through her veins, her passion for the outdoors and thirst for adventure is infectious and really knows n...
Mirinda Carfrae: Three Time IRONMAN World Champion
09 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
She has finished on the podium seven times in Kona since that first appearance in 2009 with three world titles, two-second places and one-third place....
Katrina Matthews: Professional Triathlete, Rising Star
26 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Jumping right in and embracing life as a professional triathlete she has already proven herself as one to watch. Her debut IRONMAN in Australia saw ...
Ronan McLaughlin: Irish Cyclist on the Top of the World
12 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
The former An Post Chain Reaction rider tackled the everresting Challenge in early July setting the 5th fastest time worldwide for the challenge on hi...
Joe Barr: World Ultra Endurance Cyclist
29 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
He is a 1986 Commonwealth Games medalist and has amassed hundreds of medals and trophies in different cycling disciplines throughout his career. In 20...