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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
You came dressed the part because we want to talk about North Korea. There's also another thing you wrote a great book about, which is the new right. What do, you know, techno-anarchists and Christian nationalists and race realists and other groups have in common? And now, you know, they're kind of turning on each other. And I don't know where this goes, but I do know it'll be entertaining.
There will be a lot of people on the right going, we voted for Trump because he promised to keep us out of wars. I didn't want any of this. This isn't what I voted for.
Chapter 2: What are the commonalities among various factions of the new right?
The idea like you're going to kill the Ayatollah and the sun is going to be more moderate after that. Well, you kill the sun. Okay. Like, are you just going to keep going? This is what doesn't make sense to me. Who is going to be the one who is doing the surrendering? I don't think it's at all factual to say that Iran was an imminent threat to the U.S.
The idea that Iran is going to shoot drones in California, I mean, obviously... Let's hope so. My God, I mean, someone should save us. This episode is sponsored by our friends at Hillsdale College. Right after this episode, go check out the incredible online courses, which are absolutely free at hillsdale.edu. Michael Malice, welcome back to Trigonometry. Thank you so much. It's great.
You came dressed the part because we want to talk about North Korea. But there's also another thing you wrote a great book about, which is the new right, which is obviously what's going on now. What's going on now, Michael? I think you have to be a little more specific, don't you think? Well, I don't know. What's going on? Well, my plans are, some of them are doing well.
Well, you wrote a book a while ago predicting that there would be a kind of realignment and a fracturing on the right. And that is what I think is fair to say with you. Oh, very much so, especially in Europe. It's even more kind of realigning than here in the States. I've been following European politics very closely, and it's very interesting how it plays out in different nations.
Czech Republic just had this party called Modris for Ourselves, and one of the guys is kind of accused of being this closet griper, and now he's in cabinet. So they're the first ones to kind of break that barrier. Okay, but go back to the big picture. What did you say in your book? And what did you predict in your book? I think, well, I think that is the big picture.
The big picture is that, you know, the so-called conservative movement of, you know, recent decades has largely fallen away. In polls in the UK, for example, the Tories... You both just looked down simultaneously. I don't know what the hell that was. The Tories, we just looked down every time.
Yeah, the Tories in many polls are in fourth place, something which has never happened before and is regarded as largely unthinkable, although now Labour is giving them a run for their money and coming in fourth place. You have the Swedish Democrats in Sweden. Giorgina Maloney is the PM in Italy. The party was considered the furthest right party as of five minutes ago.
The National Rally came in first in terms of votes in the French legislative elections, formerly the National Front, Marine Le Pen's organization. In Norway, the Liberal Party, which are actually the Christian Democrats, are in first place in the polls. So wherever you... Spain, the party's called Vox, which is regarded as the so-called far-right party, and there's that cordon sanitaire.
They're not going to work with them. They're in third, and they're spiking really heavily in the polls at the expense of the main two parties. And the US, you know, the premise of my book, The New Right, is... The question was on the dust jacket, what do, you know... techno-anarchists and Christian nationalists and race realists and other groups have in common.
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Chapter 3: How is the conservative movement in the UK changing?
You should have been honest with them and said, we're not actually going to help you properly. Right. And you saw this also happen in Venezuela. When Chavez was in power, they would have protests and the people, I think it's goons, would just stand there and machine gun everybody. Yeah. So there's thousands of people already dead in Iran.
And this is what I foresee happening, and I'm very, very worried about it. The worry is also, as well, when it comes to strategy, when you look at the actual logistics of what's happening on the ground in Iran, and you think to yourself, you have the IRGC, which is effectively an army. They number around 200,000. Not only are they an army who are militarily trained, they're also fanatical.
How are you going to deal with that? How are you going to deal with the secret police? How are you going to deal with the supporters of the regime? All of these things you're looking at and going, do you actually have a plan for how to not only get rid of that, but also install something else in its place? Right.
And it seems like Pavlovi is someone who's been kind of making a lot of noise and Trump's very obviously uncomfortable with him kind of reinstating the son of the Shah. So to your point, no one has articulated an end game, but it wasn't at all clear that he was just going to, I was on Roseanne Barr's show. At Roseanne Barr, it's like, yeah, in two days, we're going to be bombing Iran.
I'm like, OK, crazy lady. And then two days later, we're bombing Iran. So maybe we should ask Roseanne Barr how this is going to end. But it's going to be interesting as well to see what the effect of the Iran war is on the right, because you have a lot of isolationists in America, particularly on the right, who did not want to be part of a war. Correct. Can't blame them.
Yeah, but you can't blame them. You can fully understand it. And if this war goes south, And not only that, it then has a spike on oil prices. Which has happened already. It's happening already, but it continues to grow a spike on gas prices. That in turn affects the cost of living, food, whatever else.
There will be a lot of people on the right going, we voted for Trump because he promised to keep us out of wars. Not only did he get us involved in an unnecessary war where bodies have been flown home, on top of that, it's made my life worse. I didn't want any of this. This isn't what I voted for. Do you know who this is really screwing over, right? JD.
So JD Vance is trying to walk two tightrope simultaneously, which is literally impossible. Or maybe not literally, but I don't think any of us could even do one. Because he has to... You haven't seen me, mate. That's true. That's fair point taken. He is, you know, trying to be Trump Jr., you know, as kind of his heir to take over the nomination in 2028.
And at the same time, he was clearly uncomfortable with this sort of thing. He was being very explicit, you know, about it in years past, as had Trump in himself. So I think it's going to be very hard for J.D. to figure out a lane because on one hand, he's close with Tucker. Tucker's son works for him. And Tucker's obviously extremely against this and quite understandably so.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of Israel in current political dynamics?
In the same way as Blair was, in that it's very rare for somebody to be able to unite a party and a political faction. Yes. That is incredibly rare, because you're asking people to essentially put aside their differences and work together. That's hard. Yeah. And also there's this argument online that like, who is MAGA? Who is MAGA? MAGA is Trump. MAGA means that which Trump's like.
It's not a ideological, you know, Aristotelian worldview. It's just basically a series of vague preferences, most of which I think are good ones, but it's not this kind of well thought out, coherent, you know, national review philosophy. And you see that with the support for the war, because for all the- 90% I saw in one point.
For all the chatter online, MAGA Republicans are just like, well, Trump said it's good, so it's good. I don't mean to satirize too much their position, but given the level of inconsistency between his stated policy positions before the election and what he's doing now, whether you like that or not, it's still quite remarkable to have that level of support.
And I can also steel man that case because I think Trump, for many of these people, is the first time in their lives they feel seen by a politician. They feel this guy understands me. This guy speaks for me. You can say positive things about the Bushes if you like. It's very hard to make the case that George H.W.
Bush or George W. Bush is kind of this like you're not going to see them at McDonald's. And Trump eats McDonald's, ironically, but also non-ironically. He actually likes it. And I think that speaks, and being a New Yorker, like a real New Yorker, I think that speaks to a certain level of character on his part.
And what do you make of the idea that, you know, Venezuela, Iran, now Iran too, this is all part of a big 5D chess system? strategy and you know the the rabbit will be pulled out of the hat and the magic of this anti-russia anti-china thing will be revealed in all its glory down well i play 7d chess if you follow me uh uh let's talk venezuela Because this is your... Bienvenido.
I've been to Venezuela as a kid twice. I have enormous sympathy and appreciation for that country. It is... It's such a case study of how something which is just this jewel of South America and amazing people. If you ever meet any Venezuelans, God bless you, they're just, with one exception, they're smart, highly educated, great people.
And what was amazing about what happened with Maduro, when I saw that photo of Maduro with the blindfolds and handcuffs, I thought it was AI. because I'm like, wait, this is really it. But we basically teleported in, the United States teleported in, grabbed the leader, teleported out. It's like, okay, bye. And the Democrats were like, what do we do?
Like, you can't say, oh, you went in there and killed everybody. You can't say it's in chaos because it was in chaos before the regimes. I don't even understand really the point. Now, there's several conspiracy theories, and I don't use the term derisively, one of which is they told Maduro, do you want to go get arrested and go on a nice vacation, or do you want to get shot?
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Chapter 5: How does the military-industrial complex influence U.S. foreign policy?
But that also applies to people who are dumber. So if you look at sitcoms, people think dumber people just have fewer facts or they're slower to understand things. That's not the case. Unintelligent people think, process data in ways that are completely different from other people. And this is something that's very deleterious to democracy.
And you see it all, one of the great things about social media is A, people who in times past, great examples, Lawrence Tribe, who's like a Dean at Harvard Law, In times past, they would be on a pedestal. This guy's at Harvard Law. He must be amazing. You look at his feed, and this old lesbian is tweeting like your grandma on Facebook. It's an embarrassment.
The same time when unintelligent people express themselves, you realize, holy crap, this person's Kathy Newman. And if you sit down and explain to them, they still don't pick up what you're saying, and they just regard nouns and verbs as basically a soup and connect things in ways that are complete gibberish to other people. So one of the other things that happens is,
People cannot understand things outside their framework. So everyone is, Farage is the Trump of England, and in the Philippines, he's the Trump of the Philippines, and the Trump of Brazil, Bolsonaro, and this one's the... Maybe they're roughly analogous in that they're like a populist loudmouth, but these are not all the same phenomenon.
And if you ask any American about some other country, they would say, who are the Republicans and who are the Democrats? Well, it doesn't always parse out that way. In fact, in America, Jeb and Trump are not the same phenomenon. They're both Republicans.
And Bernie Sanders, although he's independent, or let's say AOC, and Hillary Clinton, they're also not the same phenomenon, although they're both Democrats. So human beings, broadly speaking, not only have no empathy, which is an ability to see things from other points of view, they're violently opposed to it. I always say that people don't run a true-false filter. They run an us-them filter.
You see it every time on social media. If you say something, oh, you sound like a Democrat, and the implication is therefore you're wrong. It's deranged, but that is how unintelligent people process information. And it's such a good point. And then you put in an ideology as extreme as Islamism. And we in the West simply can't get our heads around it because we value life. What is that?
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