Chapter 1: What impact do tariffs have on Kentucky farmers?
Over the past year, the Trump administration has been hurting farmers and the agriculture community with tariffs, tariffs of choice, all while making worse deals with China and giving bailouts to Argentina. We have highlighted many of the stories from farmers with our friends Jim Wade and Rusty Thompson, but today we're joined by Dawn Riley.
Don is a former appointee of the George W. Bush administration who, along with a bipartisan group of agriculture leaders, is sounding the alarm on the lasting damage these tariffs could have on the industry for years to come. Don, welcome to Truth in the Barrel, Devil's Cut. Thanks for having me, Amy. Great to see you today. And thanks for coming on Truth in the Barrel, Devil's Cut.
This is the place that we sort of dig deep into the issues of the day and go beyond the headlines. So I'm really happy to have you here. Super. I'm excited to be here and talk more about this important subject. Awesome. And it's really important. It's important for our country and it's important for Kentucky.
Before we get into that, Dawn, I want to sort of let our listeners know a little bit about you. I understand you grew up on a farm in central Kentucky. Is that right? Yes, I grew up in the metropolis of Mackville, Kentucky, population 200. And we still have our family farm there, though it has downsized over the years. I went to Center College and then took myself to Washington, D.C.
on an internship, spent four years there working on the Hill for Senator McConnell and then lobbying for the tobacco growers before I came home for a short stint. And then went back to D.C. in 2001 with the George W. Bush administration to USDA directly. I was one of the nine parachuters into the department, they called us.
So we were the folks that walked in the very first day of the administration. I think of somebody like you as really an expert. So you came from the farming world. You're still in the farming world. You manage your own family-owned farm supply business, I understand. Yes. Yes, that's correct. We're still in the float tray business to help people grow plants.
I had previously worked in the tobacco industry and now do a lot more vegetables and produce production. Yeah, so you're somebody that has sort of been there, done that on the ground in an industry, in the agriculture business, but you've also been in the policy world. You know Washington. You know what it takes from the federal government to help
those people on the ground, namely our farmers, right? And that's what makes your expertise, in my mind, so important and unique. And, you know, you and I actually have a little bit in common. I did not grow up on a farm, but I married into a family. My husband's family owns an agriculture equipment business. So they're not farmers themselves, but they are in that area.
So I have listened to them and learned from them over the years that I've been married to Eric about all of these things. But you have unique experience in both the policy and the agriculture world on the ground. And you sent a bipartisan letter along with... other experts to Congress talking about what was happening right now and really warning of widespread collapse in the industry.
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Chapter 2: How did Dawn Riley's background influence her perspective on agriculture?
We thought that our voices... together were much stronger than individuals. Do farmers have a voice in the sense that they, do they have a group that could actually stand up and say enough is enough here? I mean, I feel like many of the farmers that I talked to summer are still really giving the benefit of the doubt to this president. They, they, many of them voted for this president.
I'm not sure that they voted for these policies that, that we're seeing, but I, I don't know enough about, and probably the listeners out there don't know enough about the, the groups that make up, you know, who, who speaks for the farmers. Sure. Um, Obviously, there's a commodity association for everything out there. Corn, soybean, pigs, cattle, all across the board.
And those are the groups you naturally go to to try to push change and encourage conversations. All of these organizations bring their farmers in to talk to legislators, to talk to the department, to talk to the other administration officials on a regular basis. I think now it's to the point where it's just who will actually hear them and who will actually take action on their behalf.
And our group decided that we were going to start with Congress first. Because we felt that's where the rubber really meets the road. And Congress has walked away from its responsibility, utilizing its authority. And it needs to come back to the Congress for those programs, appropriations, authorizations, everything. Yeah.
Yeah, Congress has really ceded its power in so many areas right now, not just tariffs. We're living through another time, sadly, right now, where the use of military force and war powers is completely given over to, in my mind, a sort of unhinged executive without any checks. But that, you know, obviously...
A lot of people may disagree with that, but there's no doubt that Congress has ceded its responsibilities in so many areas. In the time since your letter was sent, the Supreme Court determined that the way that President Trump was going about enacting these tariffs was unconstitutional. Do you think this alleviates your concerns right now?
Absolutely not, because right out of the gate, within hours, the administration decided that it was going to use all the other tools at hand, whether it be Section 301, and I can't even name all of the statutes, but they were bound and determined to go back and utilize all these other measures against foreign countries, which will have a direct impact on ag, because ag is honestly the low-hanging fruit when it comes to trade negotiations.
And it is the place where they can hurt us the most traditionally. So we do not feel like the damage has been alleviated. We feel like everyone still needs to be looking for other opportunities. And the bottom line is, even with the tariffs alleviated, we've broken that trust with those countries. The markets that it took 30 or 40 years to build are not just going to come back.
at the snap of a finger. We've already seen that with what supposedly the New Deal was with China. Have they actually lived up to those buys? No, they haven't. Do we expect that after everything else that has unfolded in the world on the national security front is going to make that any easier? It's not. So, yeah, the damage in relationships is huge, huge.
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Chapter 3: What are the warning signs of collapse in the agriculture industry?
Oh, yeah. I preach this sermon on a regular basis. Food is so essentially at our core and at the core of what we can be because it provides that benefit to those school children to be able to learn. It provides that nutrition and dignity to that guy who wants to go get a job so that he has the ability to actually work. It just becomes so...
glossed over because everybody thinks everybody can have a meal or that's not that important. But thinking rest, nourishing your body and not having to worry about that piece of the puzzle is critical for, you know, our entire civilization to move forward. Yeah. Yeah.
And some of these policies that are coming down from this administration have just really hurt so many people, not only here in Kentucky, here in our country, but in the world and in my mind. Obviously, I'm in the political world, and I'm in the political world because politics is about people. Absolutely. It's not a dirty thing. It is about people. Yeah.
And I think we need to have adults who have discussions about politics in a way that is – mature and, uh, and, and kind of cuts through some of the BS. And so that's what I try to do on this podcast. Yeah. But, um, I also realized that a lot of people, you know, don't want to wade into politics. So Dawn, you have worked, uh, in Mitch McConnell's Senate office, um, a long time ago.
Uh, but, uh, you were appointed under the George W. Bush administration. Um, uh, But you're an independent now. And, you know, I was in the military. I worked for members of... democratic party and members of the, you know, leaders who were, who were members of the Republican party to, to me, that never mattered. Um, but you're an independent now.
And in 2024, you endorsed vice president Harris for, for president. Why the change? I mean, you worked, you worked in a Republican administration. Uh, you worked for Mitch McConnell. What, what has evolved for you? So many things. Um, I guess I'll say first that going into the George W. Bush administration, we really built ourselves around this compassionate, conservative notion.
And that was the path that we were on pre-9-11 and, of course, 9-11 itself. threw all the cards in the air and it was shuffle and national security was obviously a big piece of it. And, uh, that trickled down to the department of agriculture, but this is a hundred percent of people business.
And I think the people business has gotten lost here other than for those who are actually sitting in those offices now where it appears to be only about themselves. Uh, so I became a, uh, an independent the day after Charlottesville. Enough was enough from the campaign.
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Chapter 4: How do chaotic tariff policies affect rural communities?
And quite frankly, it's mostly about the person sitting in the Oval Office just being a horrible human. That's what it gets down to. And so with that, I actually also endorsed President Biden in 2020. I was the only person from USDA as a political appointee from the previous administration that was willing to speak out and did other bipartisan letters and interviews previously.
with my friend Larry Elworth, who had been at EPA under President Obama and others. So felt very strongly about just the lack of empathy, not to mention the lack of experience or knowledge of what the federal government is there to do. Yeah.
In 2016, I was clearly a swamp monster, you know, and one of those people that had to be evicted and removed and all that knowledge and experience taken away. So it was a direct attack in so many ways. Yeah, we have really undermined the experts, and we're reinventing the wheel in so many things that just we don't need to be doing, and we're harming ourselves.
I mean, decades of experience we've thrown away. Absolutely. And it's just a really sad thing to say. And the trust, and you talked a little bit about it earlier, I think the trust – which we've built up over decades is just thrown under the bus right now. I very much worry about this.
And the other thing, talking about the experience and the expertise, if you just go to USDA's website alone, all they have done is stripped out, taken away all these programs for a matter of time to bring them back and put another label on them or another set of requirements on them. But at the same time, decrease the amount of money.
Yet I get text messages and emails, oh, great, we've got a new program back, or oh, great, and I'm just like, it's not a new program, and they cut a billion dollars out of it. You know, this was going.
I'll speak directly to infrastructure grants that were put in place to do exactly what I was talking about, that mid-supply chain processing, to get more products, to make it more available for a local economy. I talk a lot about a local circular economy where things can stay in that community and be completely used up and dollars stay in that community, jobs stay in that community.
It's the things that we need to be looking at that we were really on a great trajectory to achieve that were just thrown out the window with Elon Musk and the secretaries who wanted to follow that path. Dawn, you have been so courageous about stepping up and speaking out. Do you think that more like you, more farmers will speak up here right now?
That is one of the goals of our letter as well, not only to get Congress to move, but to show others that they can speak up. to start these conversations in communities all across the country, across all these different commodities.
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