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Chapter 1: Who is Hayley Kiyoko and what is her story?
I'm so excited to have you today. I'm so excited to be here. We've got Hayley Kiyoko in the house. The crowd goes wild. We'll put sound effects in for you. Okay, great, great. You'll feel the love. Yeah. You have such a crazy story. Thank you.
I feel like the lore, like, do you get told, you're like, gosh, your lore is so good. No, but thank you so much. Really? Well, I mean, people call me, like, not an underdog, but, like, I guess I do have an interesting lore. Like, I've been around for a while.
Disney star, Lemonade Mouth. I mean, I don't call myself a Disney star, but that's so sweet of you. Lemonade Mouth, Jenna was, like, great movie. Thank you. It's so good. Wizards of Waverly Place. Then you ended up going on tour with Taylor Swift. Well, I performed with her, but yeah, that was still epic. I mean, it's Swift.
And then you are just this amazing, successful music artist turned author, now director.
Listen, we got to catch them all.
We're trying over here. I love it. I absolutely love it. I'm so excited you're joining me on this episode. It's Pride Month and your movie, Girls Like Girls, really just encapsulates so many, I feel like, real struggles that people go through. And I watched it last night and this morning and I'm like, oh my God. God, it's so good. Thank you. And it's so cute and relatable.
And it just it's something that I think so many people can relate to of like finding yourself and dealing with, you know, adversity and struggles. And it's just it's such a good movie.
Thank you. I like I've been saying, like, even though this movie is called Girls Like Girls and it does capture this moment in time where I fell in love with this girl, you know, back in high school, it is such a relatable story because whether you're queer or not, everyone has had that moment or that one person where they had to confront them to be like, do you like me or not?
Is this going somewhere? Yeah. Or do we have a future? Like, every single person has that one person. And when you go see this movie, it unlocks that.
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Chapter 2: What themes does Hayley's movie 'Girls Like Girls' explore?
And I mean, her struggles to, um, Coley struggles just to being like, I hate myself. And I'm like, Oh, my God. Been there, done that, too. Like, it's just—you capture so much, and you really do feel it. Thank you. It's an amazing movie. I'm so excited for people to see it. It's going to be so good. June 19th, you guys, so put it on your list already.
Opening weekend is vital for the gays, the allies, everyone to show up in theaters. This has been a 10-year journey, which is wild. It is—I don't recommend putting in— 10 years of energy into something because it's so intense. Like it feels like a lot of pressure, but it's also so exciting for my community. And we've been needing a story like this for so long.
Did you know that you wanted to make it a movie when you put the song out initially?
Not initially when we released the music video and I saw the comments and people being like, this needs to be a feature film. I was like, oh my gosh, I've never gotten to buy a ticket before. And I go to a theater and get to see a movie like this. Like, oh my gosh, we do need this into a movie.
And then you did the book first.
And then I did the book because the movie thing wasn't panning out. It was kind of like my Hail Mary of like, well, if I die tomorrow, at least the story will exist and live on. And then that became a number one New York Times bestseller, which then catapulted. We're skipping a lot of trauma, you guys. We're doing the victory lap right now.
But then that led to the green light of the film and end of 2023. Shot the movie in 2024. And here we are in 2026. Here we are.
It's incredible.
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Chapter 3: How does the film 'Girls Like Girls' relate to personal experiences?
I read your story graph reviews for the book, too. Oh, and it's so good. Oh, thanks. People are just blown away. They're like, Haley can write like, OK. And so if you're a reader to like start with the book, then go see the movie. Really proud of the book.
Really good.
So good.
Go read the book. Go see the movie. They're both. And listen, now I understand, like, you know, you read the book Twilight, you go see the movie. It's a different experience there. You know, girls like girls, the book and the movie are like sisters. But, you know, you can't a book is a book and a movie is a movie. And so the movie is the most authentic version of this story.
But, you know, like in a book, you can talk about someone's jacket for three pages. And then in a movie, it's like a glance.
Yeah.
And so what's been unique about this universe is I've been able to be a part of every step of every way. And it's been like challenging for me to have to almost like taught myself every time. Whereas like, how do I tell the story with a different perspective? And I think because this journey has been 10 years long, I've changed.
You know, when I released Girls Like Girls in 2015, I wasn't confident in who I was. I wasn't comfortable with who I was. And now I'm here on stage waving a rainbow flag. And so this story also evolves. And even from the book experience, seeing the movie, my fans will see that evolution as well.
I love it. Well, let's get into these stories. I know you're gonna have some good takes on them. I'm excited. Let's dive in.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of representation in LGBTQ+ stories?
There's a reason.
There's a reason you're touching and you're seeking out that touch. And then he's like, I kind of like the touching. It's like, Your body's telling you. I know. What your mind maybe isn't.
But isn't that crazy? Like this guy is 29 years old. Yeah. You know, he's not 15. And when I was getting Girls Like Girls made, like people would be like, oh, like, do we need a story like this? And I was like, what do you mean? Like people are in their 30s and 40s and still figuring out who they love and who they are and who they're becoming. And it's like representation where you can go,
You know, this guy might go see a movie and or go see Girls Like Girls and be like, oh, my gosh, he's he's being a Sonya on me. You know, it unlocks these it identifies and validates these feelings. And it just goes back to like representation, because when you've never been through something, you don't know until you see something or you meet someone who's also experienced the same thing.
I think that's something that's coming up quite a bit on Reddit, especially right now, is people that have gotten married and now they're like, you know, I waited to have sex until marriage. I thought that my feelings and these thoughts would kind of go away with that. And now that I'm married and I've been with my wife for three years, like, I'm realizing this is wrong.
But like, I was so ashamed and I didn't know what this meant. And so I think I'm on board with you. Like having a movie where it's like, no, it's not shameful to be yourself.
Yeah. And it's okay to be confused and wanting to explore. And like, obviously you don't want to like hurt people, you know, at someone else's expense. But I think that like, you know, if this chef guy watched a movie like Girls Like Girls and literally was like, oh, that is John. Then like, he'd be like, oh, okay. I know what's going on.
Or maybe he'll watch and be like, oh, that's not what we do. Okay, cool.
Yeah. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
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Chapter 5: What moral dilemma is presented regarding a niece's inheritance and coming out?
You know what I'm talking about. God, what is that flying one? What's the flying dinosaur called? It starts with a T, I think. Petrosaur? No. Oh, I had it. Pterodactyl. Yep. Yeah. It did start with a T. It's not on here, but it came to my brain. Yeah. I'd like to ride one. Okay, cool. Okay, this next story. This is going to be a bit of a moral dilemma one.
I'm very curious what you all have to say in the comments, okay? This is coming from Am I the Asshole?
Chapter 6: What are the implications of staying in the closet for financial security?
Titled, Am I the Asshole for telling my niece to stay in the closet until she gets her inheritance? My 42 male niece, 17 female, recently confided in me that she's a lesbian. I supported her, let her know I would be there, etc. Usual ally stuff. However, she told me she was going to come out to the whole world this week.
I let her know she should absolutely wait for her grandparents, my parents, to pass. My father is incredibly wealthy and has tens of millions of dollars in assets that he will be passing down once he is gone. My father is a raging homophobe who has flat out stated any gay individual in our family would be written out of the will.
And to make sure the rest of us don't just split more money with said gay relative, they will instead have that portion of the inheritance... put aside for that family member, donated to a charitable cause. That money will be erased from the inheritance.
Since both my father and mother are in incredibly poor health, stage 4 cancer and debilitating dementia, I told my niece that she should stay in the closet for a while longer.
Chapter 7: How do the hosts react to the dilemma of coming out versus financial gain?
If she comes out as lesbian and they find out, she will quite literally lose out on $7 million. She was a little sad, but was also appreciative since that is obviously a life-changing amount of money that will allow her to live luxuriously until she dies. My wife, however, said that I'm being an asshole. I'm telling this poor girl to hide who she is just to appease old bigots. That is true.
I am asking her to appease old bigots, but I feel like her life quality will be much better with $7 million at the cost of one to two years in the closet tops." I've also seen my father's will, and I know who is getting what, so my niece is definitely going to receive $7 million as long as my father doesn't rewrite or edit his will.
Am I the asshole for telling my niece to stay in the closet so she can be a millionaire? I mean, I would stay in the closet to be a millionaire. $7 million is fucking crazy. If they weren't in, like, such poor health, I mean... I'm trying to think of how long I'd be willing to stay in the closet for it. That's a good point. Yeah.
If they're in that poor of health, eh, just stay in a little bit longer. Well, I think, too, there's something to be said. Like, kind of thinking about Haley and Becca and their relationship where they were private, not secret. Well, I was about to say, like, how are they going to find out also? Yeah. Like, what are you doing? You're announcing it to the world, whatever that means. Yeah.
You're just posting it on social media. Yeah. I guess it depends if it's going to get back to them via like family members. Like are family members going to go and report back so she doesn't get the money? Yeah. I guess like who else would be on her side or who is a potential threat. Right. And then in that case, it's like if they're going to go relay that message to them, to an unsafe person.
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Chapter 8: What advice is given about supporting LGBTQ+ youth in challenging environments?
Yeah. Maybe it's not safe for her to come out right now in the first place. That's a good point. I also just I wonder, you know, what would life look like differently? Like, is she not going to be able to go to the movies with her girlfriend? Like, what would it really look like? Because I do think there's a world where it's just like, just live your life.
Yeah, I feel like they're your grandpa's not going to be out at the club. No, they're in the sounds like they're in the hospital dying. I don't know. Sure. I don't know. I'd say just start coming out to people that you know is safe. Yeah. And, you know, maybe don't announce it on social media right now.
That's what it kind of sounds like she's telling her to do is just like maybe keep it between the people you know and trust. Yeah. And I don't think you need to do a whole announcement, especially if seven million is on the line. Seven million. And then, wait, let's just say it's a year. That seems long. And it seems like it's not even going to take a year.
I, like, I tried to put myself in this shoes and, like, okay, like, shut off, like, a part of yourself and turn down love. I would probably be celibate for ten years for seven million. Yeah. Also, it's tough out there. You don't need to. It's okay. It's tough out there? Yeah. Dating's hard. Just, like... Take the money. The top comment on this one. Oh, God, I'm torn.
This is honestly an excellent case study for an ethics class. My gut instinct is to say that you should never encourage someone to stay in the closet longer than they want to. But yeesh, that's a life changing amount of money. No assholes here besides your parents for being raging homophobes. I agree. I think at the end of the day, our writer here is just trying to protect his niece.
Like, I know the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but this really does feel like it's coming from a good place of just like, hey, maybe reconsider. You have seven million on the line and maybe she didn't even know that. Like, she's 17.
She probably didn't.
She probably hadn't. I would have no idea. How would you know? You've never seen his will. Right. And then so in your head where you're like, OK, I'm going to come out. It's going to be this great thing, which it is. And that's so exciting for you.
But now you have this other piece of info that it's like, OK, well, you know, you could potentially lose out on seven million because this guy's a crazy, homophobic, spiteful asshole. Right. And it's like, OK, I'd go to charity. But like, yeah, but I don't think they're picking the charity. It's going to go to a homophobic charity. That's also right.
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