Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Ep 1246 | The Robertsons Condemn the Minnesota Fraud Scheme: “A Mound of Ashes”
13 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What recent headlines connect to the Minnesota daycare fraud scheme?
I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to the Unashamed podcast. We spent most of the time in Proverbs 8 and then talking about the concept of godly wisdom, which is so ingrained. And I like that phrase. Metaphor used about the grain of the wood. Same with beef. You know, there's grain in there and how you cut it makes a difference.
But I was thinking about that Lisa, when she does her testimony and talks about her life prior to her death. coming to faith, she had no wisdom.
Chapter 2: How does deception thrive in darkness according to the hosts?
And it was ironic and interesting that her lifeblood of what she read as she was a brand new Christian, and she's 33 years old, so it's not like she was a kid, was Proverbs and Psalms. And she would read them every day and just to try to understand a little bit more about who God is now that she had finally relented and sort of given up and submitted her life.
But I was thinking there's so much such good stuff out there about Proverbs because Mark Moore, who's a guy that works at a big church out in Arizona, he's kind of the, I call him the Bill Smith of the Christian church because he's super sharp, a great teacher, and a great concept guy. And I read all of his stuff, but he's got a book.
He has these things called Core 52, and it's like a weekly Bible study. And he just did one on Proverbs. And it's outstanding. I want to recommend that to people looking. And also Sadie last year came out with a devotional book out of Proverbs, which is also excellent. So this concept you brought up about wisdom was spot on. But it's also, you know, there's some funny stuff in there.
Solomon had a bit of a sense of humor as well, which I love.
Well, I mean, life is difficult, and we didn't really, you know, we talked about how Ecclesiastes comes at it from a little bit different angle because life throws you curveballs. Right.
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Chapter 3: What shocking move did Jase make regarding his daughter's boyfriend?
You know, he's like, it's all like smoke. I mean, you're trying to grasp it, and the speed of it is so quick.
Yeah.
Well, you're talking about a man who had a thousand wives. Well, and Proverbs was written not only by Solomon.
Chapter 4: How do the hosts relate biblical wisdom to modern scandals?
There are other writers in that, which I do think it's representative of that Proverbs 8 tying it to the human world. is so profound, and I do think it is a blueprint designed by God. And you see that all throughout these from chapter 10 through 30. It's just these little sayings and almost riddles, but it shows you how deeper wisdom is.
And I had a few interesting ones that I wanted to read, and I just thought before we make that segue, because ultimately— You know, to be successful in life, you either got to develop some wisdom or find somebody who has wisdom and get his opinion. And I think it's all linked to ultimately why God gave us a counselor who is God, the Holy Spirit in us.
And I really think it will bring clarity in your daily actions, which is why Jesus said wisdom is proved right by our actions. So here's a few. Proverbs 14, 4, which states, where there are no oxen, the manger is clean, but abundant crops come by the strength of the ox. You're like, what? So here's the thought. So just to illustrate on how you think,
Chapter 5: What blueprint for human flourishing is discussed in the episode?
If you don't want to go out there, which a part of any venture, there's got to be sacrifices. There's got to be grit. There's got to be sustained things that you don't want to do to be successful. And you're like, well, I tell you what, I would love a clean manger. And you're like, well, what does that mean?
That means you don't have to go out there and shovel up poop every day and fool with a stinky ox. But guess what? You get no crops. Now, you can sit there in the basement of your parents' house and say, well, I don't have to clean this up.
Chapter 6: How do the hosts illustrate the consequences of sin?
But you don't have anything. And this is not so much a moral issue as it is just talking about what it takes to be ambitious and to work and to do the things you don't want to do.
And I just, I don't know if you have any thoughts, but it just, well, you know, as soon as you said that I had not, don't remember that proverb. That's very funny, but it took me back to my childhood when, from the blind movie, when we live behind the bar. And so I was very, Jace was just a baby and I was only like seven years old, but,
mom or dad, I guess it was dad probably, decided to do a chicken coop behind our little trailer. And my job was to have to go out and get the eggs and clean out the poop.
Chapter 7: What role does wisdom play in navigating life's challenges?
Well, I hated. I hated the chickens. I hated the eggs. I hated the poop the most because it's a terrible job. But it's really funny. You fast forward. Now I'm 61 years old and I can only eat fresh eggs. And so I'm not having to deal with the poop. But but Joe and Christine can Jimmy do Jersey Joe because they have chickens.
Chapter 8: How can understanding Proverbs help in daily life?
But it's interesting when you look at it from a different perspective. When you love farm fresh eggs, you realize there's going to be poop involved. That's what happens with chicken coops. But someone has to deal with that if you're going to get that delicious fluffy egg.
I think there's something to the egg where if you wash the egg, you actually – I'm going to wash all this filth off of it that somehow – They won't preserve. They won't preserve. You could take an egg out of the coop and leave it on the counter for several months. I think I'm right in this. It's true. Outside the fridge. But you wash it.
All my eggs have poop on them when I get them out of the box. And I'm like, how could something this great be so close to something so terrifying?
Yes, exactly.
But look, all these things which led to this conversation was embedded from God's wisdom in the creation of this planet. That's true, yeah. And you see it all. We don't ever talk about this as even evidence of God, but it's evidence in your life, and there are ways to think.
Because we didn't talk about this on the last podcast, but a lot of Proverbs is about this whole idea that Jesus really zeroed in on. When you think you're wise and you've deceived yourself – And just because of your success, which leads me to another proverb, which is about this skill set, which is what I was saying.
We have this idea of wisdom being just something that is learned, but it's also skill and work and things like that that our – English word for wisdom doesn't necessarily embody. There was some story that I can't find now, but where someone got a bunch of woodworkers and they called them wise. And some of them were women. And I don't remember where the story is in the Bible.
I'm sure someone is thinking of that. But he called them wise, not because they had studied philosophy. They were just really good at working with wood. And so in that vein... Proverbs 22, 29 says, do you see a man skilled in his work? He will serve kings. He will not serve before obscure men. And the thought being people on their day, you know, the king is the king.
If you're really good at something, they're going to find a way to find a job for you. It doesn't matter where you went to school. If you're just good at it, good at what you do. And it made me think of verses like in Colossians 3, which I think that really ties wisdom all together in Jesus.
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