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Pope Francis's Funeral Ceremony; Gaza Goes Hungry Under Israeli Blockade

Sat, 26 Apr 2025

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We report live from St. Peter's Square in Vatican City, where Pope Francis's funeral is taking place. Plus, the U.N.'s food agency says it is running out of food to distribute to people in Gaza two months into an Israeli blockade.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What is happening at Pope Francis's funeral in Vatican City?

2.793 - 6.835 Lauren Frayer

Mourners gathered today for Pope Francis' funeral in Vatican City.

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7.055 - 12.158 Scott Simon

The part have passed away on Monday. At the age of 88, I'm Scott Simon in Washington, D.C.

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Chapter 2: Who are the key reporters covering the funeral live from Rome?

12.418 - 27.285 Lauren Frayer

And I'm Lauren Frayer at St. Peter's Square in Rome. And this is Up First from NPR News. I'm live on the edge of St. Peter's Square in front of the Vatican, where large crowds have been paying their respects to Pope Francis.

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36.096 - 41.221 Scott Simon

We'll have more on the ceremony and how it reflects on Pope Francis' legacy.

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41.981 - 49.708 Lauren Frayer

Plus, the UN's Food Agency says it has delivered the last of its food supplies in Gaza, which remains under Israeli blockade.

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49.888 - 53.171 Scott Simon

So please stay with us. We have the news you need to start your weekend.

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127.121 - 132.086 Lauren Frayer

An estimated 200,000 people attended the funeral mass for Pope Francis today.

132.534 - 144.128 Scott Simon

Of course, that includes heads of state from all over the world. And Lauren, you're there in St. Peter's Square along with our colleagues Sylvia Poggioli and Ruth Sherlock. Lauren, let's start with you. Tell us, please, what you're seeing.

Chapter 3: What is the significance of the diverse attendees at the funeral?

168.143 - 188.682 Lauren Frayer

The day began with bells tolling across this city and at the Basilica here, and then a homage of global leaders, royals, military men and women. The cobblestone streets of Rome have been lined with people in some places, 20 people deep, applauding as the Popemobile carried Francis out of the Vatican for the last time.

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189.062 - 212.379 Lauren Frayer

past Roman ruins, past the Colosseum, to his final resting place in an immigrant neighborhood. And Scott, one of the things that strikes me, while these were very traditional Catholic rites, this has been a very interfaith commemoration. There have been Muslim clerics here. I saw a person in a Native American feather headdress, European royals with medals pinned on their coats next to

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212.759 - 219.48 Lauren Frayer

Latin American nuns next to African leaders in military dress, a very global send-off for Pope Francis.

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220.069 - 228.574 Scott Simon

And Silvia Poggioli, you covered Pope Francis on so many papal trips around the world. What signs did you see of his global legacy there today?

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229.114 - 252.07 Unknown

Oh, there was huge evidence of his global outreach here. There were, as Lauren said, representatives of many of the world's religions. And the Mass was sprinkled with readings in many languages, not just Latin, Italian, and English, but also Arabic, Polish, and Chinese. Pope Francis made many foreign trips. I went on several to Cuba, the U.S., several African countries, and the Middle East.

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And in his homily, the dean of the College of Cardinals, Giovanni Battista Re, mentioned in particular the one in 2021 to Iraq, which has some of the world's oldest Christian communities. and where the Cardinal said Pope Francis defied every risk, providing what he called a balm on the open wounds of the Iraqi people who had suffered so much from the inhuman actions of ISIS.

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It was also on that trip that Francis visited the Shiite Ayatollah Sistani in Najaf, part of his outreach to the world of Islam.

284.147 - 291.85 Lauren Frayer

And our colleague NPR's Ruth Sherlock has been wading through the crowds of faithful all day today. Ruth, what are people telling you out there?

292.631 - 305.956 Ruth Sherlock

Well, Lauren, there are people who traveled all night to be at this funeral. There was, for example, Antonella Marcuz, who took a bus from Austria to arrive at dawn in Rome. This means so much to her, and you can hear the emotion in her voice.

Chapter 4: How did Pope Francis's global outreach manifest during the ceremony?

312.611 - 335.276 Ruth Sherlock

She's crying, and, you know, she talks about how much Pope Francis meant, like you mentioned, for bringing different faiths together. And you have stories like this all over the square. I spoke with Bishop Thomas Masters, who was in the crowd dressed in his bright purple bishop robes, and I asked him why he chose to make this long trip from Florida to be here.

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335.296 - 360.838 Unknown

I honor Pope Francis in so many different ways. Human rights, he was there. Justice... He was there fighting for the underdog, if I can use that expression, the people, the poor, the impoverished. He was there. And he did not use his position to be above and beyond others. The pope used his position to be with the common people.

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361.57 - 377.278 Ruth Sherlock

St. Peter's Square is surrounded by these semi-circles of colonnades with statues of Catholic saints all around. And that threw open to this bright blue sky, and many people in the crowd told me they felt as though Pope Francis might be looking down on this event from above.

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378.177 - 391.388 Scott Simon

Sylvia, a solemn religious day, of course, but politics don't take the day off. President Trump was there, so was Ukraine's President Zelensky and former President Biden. How did all that work?

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391.809 - 405.641 Unknown

Well, the crowd watching the ceremony on big video screens in the square made their opinion known. Clearly, they were silent when President Trump and the First Lady arrived and broke out into loud applause when Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky appeared.

406.081 - 429.219 Unknown

The White House confirmed Trump and Zelensky met briefly before the ceremony, and we've seen a photo of the two of them seated in chairs inside St. Peter's Basilica, arms on knees, huddling deep in conversation. The seating order of all the other big, many delegations was very interesting. It was by name of nation in the alphabetical order of French, the language of diplomacy. The U.S.

Chapter 5: What are the personal stories and emotions of the mourners at St. Peter's Square?

429.279 - 448.016 Unknown

has the letter E for Etats-Unis, so President Trump sat between the representatives of Estonia and Finland. There was also a strict dress code. Many men wore black ties. Many women had the recommended long black dress, heads covered by a black veil or lace mantilla. One of the most striking moments was during the homily.

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With President Trump sitting nearby, Cardinal Rea recalled a famous quote of Francis, build bridges, not walls, one of the Pope's strongest criticisms of the U.S. president's policy of deporting migrants.

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460.595 - 469.086 Lauren Frayer

Ruth, you followed Pope Francis' funeral cortege across Rome to the Basilica of St. Mary Major, where he's now been laid to rest. What's the scene there?

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469.947 - 489.747 Ruth Sherlock

Well, of course, there were crowds of people outside this church that were so dear to Francis. You know, this basilica is home to an icon, a painting of Mother Mary and baby Jesus that Francis would pray to before and after every trip out of Rome. And one of the priorities of his papacy was Francis' care for the poor and the disadvantaged.

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490.107 - 509.542 Ruth Sherlock

And he was known, for example, to slip out of the Vatican to visit homeless shelters nearby there. And this was also the final focus of this funeral, too. a group of people from disadvantaged backgrounds were invited to be by the entrance of St Mary Major. People without homes, migrants, prisoners, victims of war.

510.362 - 515.926 Ruth Sherlock

It was a fitting end that these people should be the final people to say goodbye to this Pope.

517.15 - 527.7 Scott Simon

And Silvia Paglioli, you covered this entire papacy from the moment that Pope Francis first stepped out onto the steps to greet the people to today. What are your thoughts?

528.26 - 548.176 Unknown

Well, I'm sitting here looking at this grand Baroque square, and I think it's very much this architecture is a representation of the temporal power of the Catholic Church. One of the characteristics is trompe d'oeil, optical illusion. I think that's a metaphor that helps us understand the Vatican's modus operandi, shifting perspectives, always using the conditional.

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That's the opposite of how Francis thought and acted. He was always very direct and assertive. It'll be interesting to see if his straightforward style will change the Vatican's centuries-old secrecy and vagueness. We'll have a better idea next week or maybe in 10 days or so when we see who the cardinals pick as France's successor in the upcoming conclave.

Chapter 6: How did political figures influence the atmosphere at the funeral?

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Bye, Scott.

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573.535 - 575.096 Lauren Frayer

Thank you, Scott. Thanks so much.

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583.524 - 589.61 Scott Simon

It's been eight weeks since Israel's blockade cut off aid to Gaza. That includes medical supplies and food.

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590.14 - 598.263 Lauren Frayer

Israel says the blockade and bombardment are intended to compel Hamas to accept a ceasefire proposal and return the remaining hostages.

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598.703 - 613.428 Scott Simon

Now the UN's Food Agency says that it has run out of supplies to distribute in Gaza, and this has deepened the humanitarian crisis that's faced by roughly two million Palestinians who are there. And Piers Hadil Al-Shulchi joins us. Thank you for being with us.

614.108 - 614.729 Piers Hadil El-Shalchi

Good morning, Scott.

615.269 - 618.35 Scott Simon

No aid since the beginning of March. What's the current situation like?

619.016 - 638.219 Piers Hadil El-Shalchi

Right. So the UN's World Food Program announced yesterday that it has run out of food stocks that it supplies to charity kitchens that make meals for Palestinians. You know, about half of Gaza's population depends on it. Israel says it's blocked the aid because it wants Hamas to hand over more hostages and it accuses Hamas of stealing the aid.

Chapter 7: What was the final resting place and message during Pope Francis's funeral?

Chapter 8: What is the current humanitarian situation in Gaza under Israeli blockade?

41.981 - 49.708 Lauren Frayer

Plus, the UN's Food Agency says it has delivered the last of its food supplies in Gaza, which remains under Israeli blockade.

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49.888 - 53.171 Scott Simon

So please stay with us. We have the news you need to start your weekend.

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127.121 - 132.086 Lauren Frayer

An estimated 200,000 people attended the funeral mass for Pope Francis today.

132.534 - 144.128 Scott Simon

Of course, that includes heads of state from all over the world. And Lauren, you're there in St. Peter's Square along with our colleagues Sylvia Poggioli and Ruth Sherlock. Lauren, let's start with you. Tell us, please, what you're seeing.

145.174 - 167.643 Lauren Frayer

Scott, we've just stepped into a Renaissance painting. I'm looking up at the dome of St. Peter's Basilica, etched across these deep blue skies and puffs of white clouds rolling past. This square in front of the basilica swelled with people today and with colors. Cardinals in bright red, nuns in black and white, monks in brown robes.

168.143 - 188.682 Lauren Frayer

The day began with bells tolling across this city and at the Basilica here, and then a homage of global leaders, royals, military men and women. The cobblestone streets of Rome have been lined with people in some places, 20 people deep, applauding as the Popemobile carried Francis out of the Vatican for the last time.

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