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Chapter 1: What did Tucker Carlson claim about the CIA reading his texts?
Tucker comes out and posts a video out of nowhere, and everybody's like, wait a minute, what is this video about? Rob, if you want to pull it up on X or wherever you have it, you may have it on your own that you've downloaded. Yeah, go for it. He posts, Rob, is this only $1.56 of it? Yes, it's a shorter clip of it. Is it the beginning of it? Yeah, where he's talking about the text.
So here's Tucker, go for it. The CIA is preparing some kind of criminal referral against me, a crime report, The Department of Justice, on the basis of a supposed crime I committed. What's that crime? Well, talking to people in Iran before the war. They read my texts.
So the crime under consideration apparently would be the Foreign Agent Act or something like that, acting as an agent of a foreign power. And I don't expect this to go anywhere. I'm not too worried about an actual criminal case against me for a bunch of reasons. One, I'm not an agent of a foreign power. Unlike a lot of people commenting on U.S.
politics and global affairs, I have only one loyalty and that's the United States and have never acted against it. Its interests are the only interests I care about because I'm from here and I have a lot of kids. So that's not a concern. I've also never taken money from anybody. Don't need it. Don't want it. And that's provable.
And moreover, it's my job to talk to everybody all the time and try and figure out what's happening around the world. That's literally what I do for a living. And I'm not going to stop doing that. Nor should I, I don't think. I'm also an American.
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Chapter 2: What potential crime is Tucker Carlson accused of regarding Iran?
I can talk to anybody. I have no secrets to divulge. So legally, I think the case is ludicrous, and I doubt it will even become a case. I'm bringing this up for a couple of reasons, though, and they're pretty obvious. One is that countries tend to become more authoritarian in wartime. It's just the nature of war. People are dying. The stakes are high.
People's emotions have risen to a very high point, to a crescendo. And so there's much less tolerance for any kind of dissent in the homeland. The irony, of course, is the United States fights wars on behalf of freedom, but there's always less of it. here in our country during war. So that's a widely recognized phenomenon and it's likely to happen now too. Okay, Vinny, thoughts?
So let's go all the way back to the beginning. He said the CIA read my texts. So I don't think me personally, I mean, he has connections allegedly with the CIA, with his father, this controversy. If he wasn't, if he is, he might know people in the CIA. But the... The CIA is not monitoring Tucker Carlson. The CIA during war is more than likely monitoring all the leadership of the Iranian IRGC.
So if they're monitoring that and then all of a sudden they see an American number, I don't know if it's Tucker's team. This is all my opinion. This is what I think. They trigger that and they say, wait a minute, Tucker Carlson is talking to the leadership over there, potentially just to have an interview, Tom. Maybe he just wants to go out there and talk, which is whatever.
Chapter 3: How does Tucker Carlson defend his actions in talking to Iranian contacts?
I get it. You want to talk to the Ayatollah whenever it happened? Okay, fine. I understand that. But then I started thinking, wait, what? A couple weeks ago, do you guys remember what we questioned on this podcast?
Tucker was very critical of the president, which is his total right to do whatever he wants, talking crap about the president, and then all of a sudden he was in the White House, and then we even saw him walk in. He looked at Tucker. He didn't even give him any love. He saw Tucker, and then they took this photo. Tom, do you guys remember this? He took this photo.
Trump is smiling really, really hard. And then I thought about it. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe, you know, Trump knew because of the CIA, he gets briefings all the time. He's in communication with Iran. Let him keep doing that. This photo goes out. The Iranian government sees it with them smiling. Maybe they think that Tucker's talking to the president and he's in his ear and he's cool.
Communication keeps happening. Maybe he's trying to talk to the Ayatollah, Tom. And that communication finds out exactly where the Ayatollah is. And we bomb and we kill him. How early into the war was it, Pat? Do you guys remember? It was quick. Right when we started. So maybe that's it. Maybe...
You know, they were using Tucker, but now maybe they're going to go after him for having this communication about the war. Maybe he divulged some information, but I think he might have been used by the president. That's my opinion. I'm just saying. You never know. Well, something weird is going on with Tucker. That's undeniable.
Whether you're on Team Tucker or not on Team Tucker, I'll let you decide that. But certainly, this is not the Tucker that we're used to from the 90s or even the last 20 years. By the way, Trump will have people that he completely disagrees with and have them in the Oval Office. You already kicked Tucker out of MAGA. You already said that about a week ago. He's out.
Just like you'll have someone like Mamdani in the office and say, all right, this guy's a socialist, communist, Islamist, but I'll invite him in. We can get along. So I don't look at this as anything other than Trump will talk to his enemies. But the bigger conversation with Tucker is this. Is he trying to bring people together and be a synergist and be a unifier? Or is he being divisive?
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the CIA's alleged monitoring of Tucker?
In my opinion, he's not bringing people together at all. He's causing division. He's causing outrage. And I'm all for debate. One of our cornerstones here is having debate. Cool.
Chapter 5: What concerns arise about authoritarianism during wartime?
Debate policy. Debate what you think should be done. But at the end of the day, the Republican Party is the last... Trump is the last thing that we have before the enemies at our gates enter America and the rest of the world. And... Tucker just sort of like glossing over Islamism and you know, I'm an American, so I buy a house in Qatar. Something is kind of weird for that.
I would love to see Tucker get to a place of normalcy or be someone that can actually help Trump. But if you don't support Trump, and you're actively trying to sow chaos in Trump world, what's going to happen? You're going to lose elections. That means you're going to hand power to the left, and that's just political suicide. So at the end of the day is this.
Is Tucker helping Trump, or is he hurting Trump? And in my humble opinion, he's doing everything that is possible, anything in his power, to basically hurt Trump. But what do you think about this situation, Adam, about the CIA? This isn't a joke. The CIA is reading your texts and going after you and saying that they might open up a legal case against you. They have to show why, though.
Oh, for sure. They're not doing it for nothing. By the way, in this case, it's one of a few things. Either you can talk to anybody you want to talk to, but if you come to the White House and you meet with the president, and then you go and communicate with Iran, and then it shows communication that you shared a part of the conversation you had with Trump.
With anybody in the IRGC, you're going to jail. So guess what? 90% chance he didn't do that. Yeah, of course. So if he didn't do that, he has nothing to worry about.
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Chapter 6: How does the panel view the political theater surrounding Tucker's claims?
If like we had a call with Ahmadinejad three times, each time was about where we're doing the interview. If anybody sees any of that recording, no one's getting in trouble because the conversations are meet us at this country in Europe. Let's interview here. I'm not comfortable doing the interview here because if I do it, they're going to catch me and I would like to do it in Europe.
Are you willing to meet me in Europe? And Rob, you remember within 18 hours of our flight, everybody's ready. Everybody's locked and loaded to go to this country. Last minute, they canceled. They said there's a death threat on me. Story comes out. They're trying to take care of Ahmadinejad. Nothing happened.
So if it's that kind of a conversation, because Tucker said they did this to me as a woman. I was at Fox. I was trying to interview Putin. And it didn't work out. And then a year later, I was able to get the interview, and I went and did it. Nobody saw that as a problem. Great. That was a good interview, 400 million views. It was a great conversation.
Everybody wanted to see that, criticize him for. Putin went on 30 Minutes talking about the history of Russia and all. No problem. If you are helping and you came to the White House, I want you arrested. I want you arrested if you're helping, which I believe less than 10% chance he was. Less than 10% chance he was. And the only reason he was the 10% that he could have is the following.
You ever meet these types of people that they naturally talk too comfortably about stuff that they shouldn't be talking about without your permission? I have people like this in my life till today. Some of them are very close to me. They'll never be in the inner of the inner of the inner circle. But you know what I will do?
At times, like when I ran the insurance company and I knew a guy that hated me the most and I wanted to make sure who he talks to the most, I would take him out to dinner and I would drop three things nobody else knows about. Then I would wait for two weeks to see who brings it back to me. And then two weeks later, who brings it back to me? I'm like, okay, so those are the people you talked to.
Okay, now I put you guys in this camp. I know who you guys are. Great. And I knew he was the guy that was trying to do everything in his power to hurt the company, and it wasn't really hurting the company. It was trying to hurt me. So I haven't seen Tucker being too, what's the word, too pro-Trump. He's been very critical of Trump for a long time now, not a short period.
By the way, you know who this hurts the most? You know all this stuff that they're talking about who it hurts the most? The person this hurts the most, believe it or not, you best believe it's one person. J.D. Vance? J.D. Vance that hurts the most. You know why? Because Tucker Son works for J.D. You want to go to Calchi today? Rubio and Vance are officially tied. Wow.
Okay, look at that right there. And Rubio's about to pass up Newsom 0.3%. $18.7 million. $18.7 million is what you're talking about on where it's at. So in some ways, you look at it, Rubio's ahead. So what happened here? What's that, Tom? One-month shift. Look at the one. This is 30 days. Yeah, go back, Rob. Go back to February 14th. Just go back to February 14th. Look at that. Wow.
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Chapter 7: How does Tucker Carlson's relationship with Trump influence the discussion?
You know why, Tom? Because if this gets drawn out, which it looks like it's going to go a couple of months, he could always say, hey, I was in the room. You said this last week. I won them all. I won them all. And by the way, in 2028, Marco Rubio was the main guy, and he's a hawk.
fuck i'm not and that's going to be his separation and it's going to be jd vance and all that paypal mafia tom and all the what's the other thing that's i'm telling you adam this is a very very very smart thing that he said last week and yesterday as i was reading this i was like oh wow that's why he's doing it he's distancing himself but he's not trashing the president and look carefully at his path is he the legislative path or is he the leader governor path
He's a leader-governor path, right? J.D.? No, he's a legislative path. And when the legislators fight each other in an election, they said, excuse me, I did not vote for that. Yes. You see that? That's a lot different from a governor who's got his butt on the line when there's a natural disaster and you have to show leadership and you have to make the call. Governors, he says, are CEOs of states.
The president, we have a leader right now that makes decisions. And J.D. sounds a little bit too much like a legislator politician. Now, hang on a second. My voting record is clear on that, and I didn't vote on that one. Smart. Yeah. Is this it, Rob? Yes. Go for it. But imagine the situation. We're in the situation room where...
You can't even take your iPod in there or your AirPods, I guess what they're called. You can't take your iPhone in there. You can't take anything in there because it is the most classified space anywhere in the world. And I sit there with Pete Hegseth and General Cain and Marco Rubio and the entire White House team.
And the president and I and the entire senior team are talking about the options and about what we need to do and about how we must best protect the American people. I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not going to show up here in front of God and everybody else, tell you exactly what I said in that classified room, partially because I don't want to go to prison.
And partially because I think it's important for the President of the United States to be able to talk to his advisors without those advisors running their mouth to the American media. I thought that was actually a good answer. I actually think that was a good answer. Listen, on one end, I was just criticizing, you know, how it's going to hurt him. I didn't think that was a bad answer.
I think he gave the proper. See, that's the thing with J.D. He is so good in giving the right answer in the right places. It's the reason why he's at 18.6%. 18.6% is still a lot to be that high. I just think right now with what's going on. What's this, Rob? Is this an AI video? Yes, sir. Okay, this is the AI. This is what they're claiming happened, okay?
I don't know if you've seen this video or not. I have not. This is an AI video saying that Trump played Tucker to take out the leaders of Iran. Now, again, keep in mind, guys, they're making fun, so it's not like it's an AI video. Go ahead, Rob. Tucker, I want you to come to the White House. Believe me. Me? I mean, sure. Thank you, Mr. President. Qatar Airlines. That's funny with a Ted bear.
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Chapter 8: What are the potential political consequences for Tucker Carlson?
But I want to act like they agree with you. The people that act like they support you. But deep down inside, you know they don't. And it's not hard to do so. He knows that. He has enough intel to know. You don't think Trump is asking people and say, how are those guys doing? Not really too critical. They're fair. How are those guys doing? Yeah, how are those guys doing? How are those guys doing?
No, he's been very critical. Really, show me something. Boom, he said this. Okay, let's invite him to the White House. You invite critics to the White House. You don't invite supporters to the White House. Of course. You invite those guys to the White House and talk to them. Hey, Bill Maher, bring Bill Maher to the White House. Bring this guy to the White House.
Let's bring him in and talk to him, and then boom. Hey, here's what we're doing. So to me, I think bring Mamdani to the White House. Yeah, yeah, no, you can say that. Just say it. Just say that you still feel the same way about me. Just go. No, this, if, again, less than 10% chance, I think Tucker did that. But if Tucker is going ahead and making a video like that,
The only reason you make a video like that is to give your claim before there is legalities that you can't talk. So the last thing they hear from you is you saying this. And by the way, for him, if his father was in the CIA, you don't think some of the guys in the CIA are pro-Tucker? Of course they are. Of course. And they're sitting there saying, let me get this over to you.
And by the way, there's other things going on as well with Megyn Kelly and Mark Levin. I don't know if you guys are following that or not. Can I address the JD thing real quick? Yeah. Because you want to move on to that? Yeah. I think J.D. Vance is kind of screwed because let's look at the options of what J.D. Vance can go. So in my opinion, J.D. Vance is almost like Kamala Harris.
Like no kings, no anointments. You're going to have to go through a primary, Mr. Vice President. You want to end up like persona non grata Mike Pence? You want to go against Trump? You will be alienated and blackballed from the MAGA movement. Like, don't forget, Trump could have brought anybody in to be the vice president. He had a mandate, all seven swing states, won the popular vote.
How much did Vance affect the election? A little bit. But any other vice president could have done that. So your job is to defend the administration and defend the agenda. Now, because there's at least the perception that you're not doing that, It leaves the door open for the person that is uniquely qualified to do that, which is Marco Rubio.
How many times have you seen any single escalation, any war, Marco Rubio sitting there in the Oval Office? He's now the president of Venezuela. He's now the president potentially of Cuba. He's now the Ayatollah of Iran. How many other jobs is Marco Rubio going to have? So momentum is a hell of a thing. Rubio has all the momentum. JD Vance has very minimal momentum.
And the fact that he's aligned with Tucker, Trump is looking at him and being like, I can't really trust you. You don't really deserve the job.
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