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"You Flipped" - Michael Cohen GRILLED For Turning On Trump

29 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: Who has Michael Cohen's back today?

0.031 - 15.418 Patrick Bet-David

Who has Michael Cohen's back today? Here's why I ask this question. Of course, in 06, when he started working with them. My wife and children. Okay, but in 06, you're working with them. From business side, Trump has your back. Then there's a falling out. You flip, FBI, time, prison.

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15.899 - 16.76 Michael Cohen

Actually, I hate that word.

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16.78 - 33.009 Patrick Bet-David

Let me just finish this, and you say whatever you want. So then you go to the left, whatever word you want to call it. You're the darling of the left. You know, Jimmy Kimmel has you on MSNBC, CNN, everybody has you on. Then you go to Midas Touch. And by the way, Midas Touch, their entire they even talk about this.

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Chapter 2: Why does Michael Cohen reject the term 'flip'?

33.029 - 49.438 Patrick Bet-David

Their vision, why they started Midas Touch in March of 2020 was to prevent the president from getting reelected. That was their entire MO to get reelected. You have a show with them. I even think you have a show with one of the founders. If I'm not mistaken, his name is Ben, if I'm not mistaken. Is that his name, Ben? Right.

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49.659 - 70.122 Patrick Bet-David

So you have a show with them, and then you come out and you say the following comments. And you said you were compelled and coerced to only provide information and testimony that would satisfy the government's desire to build the case. against and secure a judgment and convictions against Trump, you say this in your sub stack. Not a crazy thing.

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70.222 - 81.334 Patrick Bet-David

This is your opinion against Letitia James and Alvin Bragg. Then we get news that Midas touched dropsy. This is 10 or 12 days ago. Drops fired, cutting away, whatever word they want to use.

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Chapter 3: How did Michael Cohen's relationship with Trump change over time?

81.414 - 91.125 Patrick Bet-David

They fired the podcast and they move on. If you were at any other place, you're not getting fired. So your position today, who has Michael Cohen's back? I want to hear your thoughts.

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91.105 - 120.319 Michael Cohen

My wife, my daughter, my son, and those people who are more centrist. I have no issue with Ben or his brothers, Brett or Jordy. We're still friends. We still speak. We're just not doing business together. And I understand the reason why they did what they did. They have a very left-leaning constituency. And so they started getting...

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122.358 - 133.793 Michael Cohen

10,000, 20,000 people telling them, if Michael Cohen remains on the network, we're unsubscribing. Just for that comment? Yes, sir.

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Chapter 4: What led to Cohen being canceled by both sides?

133.813 - 166.951 Michael Cohen

Just for that comment. Now, these people didn't just make that threat. They actually did it. And it was a significant amount of money. And they have as you do, a large payroll. And so I said, I understand. I understand. And I have to be me. And you have to be you. But we're still friends. And we still will remain friends even after this. But I have friends who are on the far, far left.

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167.331 - 173.487 Michael Cohen

And I have friends who are on the far, far right. And everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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Chapter 5: What impact did Midas Touch have on Michael Cohen's career?

174.008 - 185.912 Michael Cohen

I prefer when you give your opinion that it's predicated off of facts, not something you pull out of your ass. I do prefer that. But everybody has the right. It's the First Amendment.

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186.905 - 196.276 Patrick Bet-David

I get that. But, you know, CNN viewers probably are not a fan of Scott Jennings. He didn't get fired. He got a longer contract, right?

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196.336 - 199.139 Michael Cohen

Right. I saw Scott Jennings about two weeks ago.

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199.159 - 207.489 Patrick Bet-David

He's very good at what he does. Scott Jennings, to me, I call him the CEO of CNN because he runs the show there. Without Scott, a lot of people wouldn't be watching CNN.

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207.529 - 214.237 Michael Cohen

And on the other side, they would say that Jessica Tarloff is the COO of Fox, too. She's with Greg Gutfeld and Jesse Waters.

Chapter 6: How does Cohen reflect on his time in prison and its aftermath?

214.738 - 238.255 Patrick Bet-David

What I'm saying to you is... Kudos to both institutions for not firing a Michael Cohen. Agreed. Because to me, what's the benefit of a Michael Cohen? You're a complicated character to the average person, right? So to the left or the right, they're like, I don't know, maybe. But what do you do? You at least bring eyeballs. You're at least going to get to say, what does this guy have to say?

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238.395 - 252.298 Michael Cohen

Well, I'm certain that your show is going to do great right now. People are going to be, why is Patrick having Michael Cohen? I mean, what's wrong with him? Is Patrick turning PBD podcast into a radical left lunatic show?

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252.678 - 256.965 Patrick Bet-David

Yeah, or even bigger. Am I going to go try to hire you as a fixer?

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Chapter 7: What are Cohen's thoughts on the justice system and his experiences?

257.466 - 268.724 Michael Cohen

By the way, that'd be a smart move. That'd be a smart move. Are you already turning the cheek? Are you already seeing some demise coming to this administration?

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268.784 - 286.251 Patrick Bet-David

No, I actually see the opposite, and here's what I see with you. Because to me, when I think about you, one thing you have that's very unique with you, and you probably wouldn't recommend this to the average person, but you've gone through it. So your guy that comes in, you saw what it's like to –

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286.231 - 301.628 Patrick Bet-David

publicly, you know, you say things about Trump, you know, you're on Jimmy Kimmel, you know, he asks you a question, you know, who is the biggest lowlife in that community you're a part of? And you give all these names. You start off with him, his family, Weisenberg. You go through a list of names that you give, right?

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301.648 - 303.551 Michael Cohen

I'm not sure that was the word that I used, but okay.

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303.571 - 307.475 Patrick Bet-David

He used the word lowlife. He said, who is the biggest lowlife? And you said it starts with that.

Chapter 8: What lessons does Cohen share about loyalty and truth?

307.535 - 323.981 Patrick Bet-David

So they can play the clip to see it, but I watched the clip, I think, yesterday or something like that. Because I'm watching to see how you were used, okay? So you go there, and you're thinking you're making the right move, and maybe you still believe that, that with Trump you said things publicly, and then it was very difficult for him for a season.

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324.482 - 341.894 Patrick Bet-David

And then the left comes in, and then you've been canceled now by both sides. So for you going through this position, do you sit there and say, Maybe I shouldn't have done this. Maybe I should have stayed, you know, with Trump. Maybe I should have stayed that position. Has that thought at all crossed your mind?

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341.934 - 360.828 Michael Cohen

So it's interesting you bring that up. While I was in Otisville, there was a guy. I won't mention his name because I'm sure he listens to your podcast. He knows exactly who he is. Hey, Sasha. And he turned around. He said to me, why don't you just shut up? He goes, chances are. The second you get out, or even before.

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361.229 - 362.09 Patrick Bet-David

How long was this?

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362.11 - 387.16 Michael Cohen

Well, that was within the first year that I was there. He goes, Trump will pardon you, and he'll probably bring you back in for all you know. You'll end up with a big contract with Fox. First of all, he goes, you're funny. You're also incredibly knowledgeable. So he goes, you'll probably end up with some sort of a Fox contract. And I said, no, nothing that I've said is untrue.

387.841 - 407.976 Michael Cohen

I said, I will speak the fact whether it's in favor of Trump or not. Now, I didn't take that advice. From a financial standpoint, probably should I have? Yes. Did I? No. Have I been canceled by both sides? Yes.

410.32 - 416.676 Patrick Bet-David

Would you do anything differently? specifically with the, because to me, okay, well, let me ask a question.

416.696 - 450.867 Michael Cohen

So let me give you, let me give you the better way to sort of frame this question. What ended up pushing me? into the hands of prosecutors was never my desire. It was never my goal. I never wanted the FBI to raid my home, my hotel that I was staying at, or my law office. I never wanted it. Why did it happen? Well, the Russia hoax. And I've always maintained that the Steele dossier was bullshit.

451.825 - 484.726 Michael Cohen

I never went to Prague. I've never been to Prague. They claimed I had $10 million in cash in Prague to pay off Russian compromise. And so none of it is true. All 13 allegations raised against me were a lie. I went and I saw the president in the Oval Office the very first time I received a request to appear before SIPC, the Senate Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. And I said, no.

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