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Recapping ESMO, Inside AstraZeneca’s Bold Bet on Antibody Drug Conjugates
27 Oct 2025
“We were able to show multiple datasets that actually deliver against this vision that antibody drug conjugates can improve on and therefore displace chemotherapy” says Dr. Susan Galbraith, AstraZeneca’s EVP of oncology R&D. Galbraith joins Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Sam Fazeli to break down key findings from ESMO — from early-line HER2 breast cancer data to progress in bladder and lung cancer. She details the promise of Enhertu and Datopotamab, AstraZeneca’s antibody-drug conjugates (ADCs), and how their work may transform cancer treatment in curative settings.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome to another episode of the Vanguards of Healthcare podcast. I'm Sam Fazelli, Senior Pharmaceutical Analyst and Head of Global Industries Research at Bloomberg Intelligence. And this is a podcast where we get the opportunity to speak with the leading figures in the healthcare industry. And today I'm very happy to say that we have Susan Goldbraith from AstraZeneca again.
And now after the ESMO, the European Society for Medical Oncology Conference, to discuss some of the data. And of course, again, AstraZeneca was one of the leading companies at the conference in terms of key data sets being reported. And we did one after ASCO, which went really well. And I really appreciate the time that Susan offers us.
Susan, of course, everybody knows, Executive Vice President of Oncology R&D at AstraZeneca, which is, if not the leading, one of the top leading oncology plays in the pharmaceutical sector. So Susan, just before we start, I wondered if you wanted to say any introductory words or we can go straight to first question on breast cancer.
Well, I would just say I was delighted with the overall presence that we had at the ESMO meeting. The ESMO meeting is getting larger and very impactful data that was presented there. You know, what we...
we're able to show that as well as progression in our early portfolio is very importantly, multiple datasets that showed that we're actually delivering against this vision that antibody drug conjugates can improve on and therefore displace chemotherapy from different indications, but also that we can move those into the earlier lines of therapy where the opportunity for improving the potential for cure is the highest.
So it was a great meeting. It was very exciting to see the data being presented.
So that's a perfect lead into our first conversation, talking about early intervention with an ADC. And that's, of course, the data they presented in breast cancer. Now, just for setting the scene, because we have a whole variety of folks who listen to this podcast, from super experts to more generalists, just to be setting the scene here, breast cancer comes in
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Chapter 2: What were the key findings from ESMO regarding antibody drug conjugates?
I really don't think that there's a concern about long-term side effects from this. I think it's an acute event which, if appropriately treated, is possible to fully recover from for the vast majority of patients.
So DDO5, which was the trial that you've referred to already, was an adjuvant trial, i.e. patients were getting whatever neoadjuvant therapy the physician was giving them or none. I'm assuming they all had some kind of neoadjuvant therapy, but you can, again, detail on that. And then they got their surgery and then post-surgery, If they had residual disease, i.e.
they were not PCR, they got inherited to 14 cycles plus, right? So if you want to just tell us a little bit about what you saw in that trial again, in that setting, I think you mentioned the 53% improvement.
Yeah. So again, the key endpoint here is the invasive disease-free survival. That's the primary endpoint in this study. Again, and on that endpoint, we saw a 53% reduction in the improvement in the invasive disease-free survival rate, which is really very clinically meaningful. And this leads to a really important delta in the two-year and three-year landmark rates.
Again, we will continue to monitor this and see that, you know, follow up. But, you know, what I would say is that this is an impressive effect size and people were very impressed with the data. It's one of the reasons why it got a presidential session and, you know, very good commentary following the presentation of the data.
Okay. So one of the things that, of course, a lot of the issues with several cancers is metastasis to the brain Here, it wasn't immediately clear whether you had a meaningful, or at least the impact on brain mets was not clear. Do you think we can have sufficient evidence in later follow-ups to assess a CNS prevention benefit in DBO5?
So what I would say is that, first of all, NHERTU has shown activity in patients with active brain metastases. It's impressive. And also in the metastatic settings, we have seen a good activity against the time until patients actually develop brain metastases. So I would expect that
with time we can have a look at those effects in these early stage studies as well and have a look at that because we know that this drug actually works in those settings and I think the reason why it works is because of the bystander effect that you get within HER2 So you have this cleavable linker and then the payload, the droxtacan payload actually can diffuse across the cell membrane.
So even if there is uneven disruption of the blood-brain barrier within a brain metastasis, you will get this bystander effect and spread to surrounding cells. And I think that's one of the reasons why we're seeing good activity in patients with brain metastases. So you'd expect to see it over time.
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Chapter 3: How do early-line HER2 breast cancer data impact treatment options?
If you've seen patients having a very good response to INHER2 and then some stabilization on the THP part of that new regimen, it doesn't necessarily mean that they have become resistant to that treatment mechanism. by the time you get to the post neoadjuvant setting. And similarly, I think is in line with general principles of how drugs are used in oncology.
If there's a longer disease-free interval between treatment in the early stage setting and then a recurrence in the metastatic setting, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be resistant to the opportunity for treatment in the metastatic setting.
So I think over time, we will gather data from real world evidence and from some medical first studies that will help to address those important questions that remain that we haven't actually addressed yet in the design of the trials that we've run so far.
Of course, these are questions that are really relevant to our modeling for DBO9 and DBO3 too. But let's just consider this question first. Is four cycles enough from what you know about in HER2 to give you resistance? Or could it simply be that the patients had, you know, biology just trumped things? I don't know whatever that means, but you know.
Well, I mean, you know, there are multiple mechanisms of resistance to any drug. I think we're going to have to, again, work out over time what the reasons are why a particular patient does well or doesn't do well on particular regimen. But I don't think that we're seeing... significant downregulation of the target, for example, of HER2.
Remember, of course, that HER2 is an oncogene, so the tumours are relatively... They have a growth advantage by having HER2 highly expressed. That's part of the reason. So if they then downregulate that receptor, they're losing that growth advantage. So there's a...
you know, just a clonal selection disadvantage from downregulation, which means that I think it's unlikely that you're going to get a substantial downregulation of the HER2 target. The next question is, do patients' tumours become resistant to the mechanism of action of the payload, or do they upregulate drug exporters so they become relatively less sensitive to that?
And I think we're going to have to look at that with translational science data sets over time to help answer that question. This is one of the reasons why I think very pragmatically physicians will look at that disease-free interval and then you can retest and see whether or not patients have become responsive to the disease.
And just to add, there is no known mechanism by which the ADC is excluded from the tumor. So you gave two possible mechanisms, the chemo and the antibody. Is there ever, have you seen any change in the stromal structure or the structure of the tumor, even in mice, et cetera? I don't know. That would suggest that could be a mechanism of resistance.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of the Destiny Breast 11 trial results?
Okay, I think I'll move on to, there's a risk that this ends up being entirely about breast cancer, but there were the two big things, but I really want to cover some bladder before we move on, before we end. But let's just talk about tropion breast O2 trial. This is Datraway, TROP2 ADC. The data, and I'm sure you'll, again, go through the detail a little bit more here,
They just seem better on a response rate basis. And, you know, this is what we do all our lives, comparing trials, which shouldn't be compared, but there's nothing else we can do. Otherwise, we wouldn't have a job. Versus trotelvi in PD-L1 negative, triple negative breast cancer patients.
The OS, on the other hand, is complicated by the different post-progression treatments, for instance, in TBO2 versus Acendo3, which was the Gilead-Tridelby trial. Given all this, how important do you think OS is in the trial, which may have been driven by post-progression issues, etc. ?
So I think the first thing is if you think about the situation from a patient perspective in triple negative breast cancer, these women who are often young women with this metastatic triple negative breast cancer have the poorest prognosis out of any of those segments of breast cancer that we've got with less than a 15% chance of a five-year survival and no improvement in overall survival in over a decade.
70% of those patients do not have PD-L1 expression. So they're not eligible for a PD-L1 treatment. So it's the majority of those patients. And for the first time, we've seen an improvement in overall survival and a very clinically meaningful improvement with a five-month improvement. So the next question is, why have we seen that in the tropium breast O2 study?
And I think the first thing that you're seeing is that we have a best-in-class ADC here. You've got a stable linker. That's very important. That means that you've got less exposure to the payload in the peripheral circulation, and you're delivering a higher proportion of it more efficiently to the tumor cells that are expressing trope 2.
In triple negative breast cancer, that's the segment that has the highest expression of trope 2 receptor on the tumor cell surface. That translated through to more than 60% overall response rate, So that's really more than double that of the control arm of chemotherapy, which is 29%.
That led to also with good durability of response and improvement in immediate progression-free survival of five months. So those are the most important things because these patients progress quickly. And when they progress, many of them don't get to a second line treatment. And the fact that that's then translated through to an overall survival is important.
And you brought up the point of the post-progression treatment. I just want to be clear on the numbers though. In both studies, over 70% of patients went on to a second line treatment. So for the Ascent 03, the 80% of patients were 80% of the 70 something percent that got a second line treatment. So it's overall a 56% rate of crossover onto Ascent.
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Chapter 5: How can antibody drug conjugates potentially displace chemotherapy?
And it was good to see that, you know, you have seen this reduction in event-free survivors or patients that are coming in that have got high risk disease and risk of having recurrent transurethral resections of bladder cancer. And, you know, what that leads to over time is
increasing risk that they do have to go on to a cystectomy because they're likely to have progression to muscle invasive disease. And obviously, you're right, cystectomy is a life-changing major surgery. So in Potomac, we included high-grade patients with TA or T1 and or carcinoma in situ, which is multiple and recurrent and large. And I think that identifies that higher risk patient population.
And so it's encouraging to see the early separation that occurs with the event free survival. So it means that patients don't have to have another resection of disease and few of them will go on to have a recommendation for cystectomy. Now, with the size of the study that we've seen so far, what we haven't yet shown statistically significantly is an absolute reduction in the rate of cystectomy.
I think we'll have to wait for longer term follow up for that. But that is the goal of what we're looking to do in both non-muscle invasive disease. And I think in the induction period with neoadjuvant treatment in the muscle invasive segment, if we could actually get pathologic complete response rates higher, there's an opportunity to save people's bladders in more than one setting.
So I think it's very encouraging progress in general with what we're seeing now.
Yeah. So just let me move on quickly to, thank you for that. The other data set we saw from Combo that seems to be doing very well in the setting. So this is the non-metastatic MIBC. This was Keynote 905. I think it did have an EV number. I can't remember. And which was infortimab vedotin, which is a nectin-4 ADC that now is owned by Pfizer, plus Keytruda pembrolizumab.
Good perioperative regime. And I think it got lots of claps, et cetera, at the conference because bladder cancer physicians haven't seen data like this in decades. in cisplatin ineligible patients.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of the safety profile of Enhertu?
Now this is obviously a more frail and not necessarily the same patient population that was tested in Niagara. But how do you, is there any way to think about these two trials, Niagara and Keynote 905 together? What would I take away from making that?
What does that mean to you? Yeah, yeah. Niagara is in the cisplatin eligible population. So it's a combination of Divalumab plus gemcitabine cisplatin and showed, you know, an improvement in the pathologic complete response rate, but also then that translates through to an improvement in the event-free survival rate.
What you've seen here is in the platinum ineligible population, a further improvement, if you like, in the pathologic complete response rate and a good improvement in event-free survival as well. So I think what this says, first of all, is it is absolutely possible to further improve the pathologic complete response rates.
We also have an ongoing study, the Volga study, which also looks at a combination of EV, but with the Valumab. So moving from the Valumab in combination with GEMSYS chemotherapy to the Valumab in combination with an ADC. And it's also in the cisplatin ineligible population.
The difference between Volga and the study that we've, the Keynote 905 study, is that the EV regimen is just in the neoadjuvant setting. So there isn't this continued EV dosing in the post-surgical setting. And I think it'll be interesting to see both the safety profile from that but also what that means in terms of eventually survival.
Because I think it's very clear that with the tolerability that you get with EEV, not all patients are able to make it through that post-surgical treatment period because of adverse events. So I think there's an opportunity to differentiate. That's one difference.
The second difference is that we don't just have a combination arm with divalumab, but we've also got a combination arm with two doses of tremolimumab in that study. And we know that that treatment regimen with a high level of induction of tremolimumab, if you like, can be well tolerated. We've seen that, if you like, in the Himalaya study with the stride regimen in hepatocellular carcinoma.
But we also know that bladder cancer is one of the most CTLA-4 sensitive tumor types. So we hope that that will translate through to a further improvement in the long-term outcomes of event-free survival because inhibiting CTLA-4 when the tumor's there and you've got the kind of mechanism of cell kill, immunogenic cell kill,
from a treatment with an ADC like the fortimanfidozin, that you can get really good priming of the immune response and that that can translate through to very good long-term outcomes.
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