Verse Talks
Episodes
Abigail Miller and Micole Ap: sustainability, growth and long-term thinking
25 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
00:20 - Welcome Abigail Miller and Micole01:07 - Micole’s journey into digital art and NFTs02:20 - From corporate to crypto art04:12 - Expectations ...
Jack Butcher, Adrian Pocobelli and Emir Dino: The shifting state of the digital art market
15 Feb 2026
Contributed by Lukas
00:24 - Verse Talks returns02:55 - The state of affairs in digital art04:40 - Launching new work, market cycles and algorithm whiplash07:56 - Focusing...
Tabor Robak: Human Resources and the Tabcorp shared universe
23 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
00:26 - Welcome (back) Tabor Robak01:40 - Broken Printer and Tabcorp Labs03:25 - The Tabcorp universe05:25 - Human Resources and exploring PFP as a ge...
Rhea Myers: making art to understand the world
09 Jan 2026
Contributed by Lukas
01:18 - Welcome Rhea Myers01:26 - Rhea's journey into art and technology02:08 - Art school experiences and early career07:56 - An anthropological...
Phil Mohun: building Node Foundation and the future of digital art
19 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:26 - Welcome Phil Mohun01:44 - The vision behind Node Foundation03:23 - Why Palo Alto?04:05 - The importance of Silicon Valley06:14 - The role of N...
Terence Broad: From Blade Runner to (un)stable equilibrium
14 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:44 - Welcome Terence Broad02:41 - Terry's early artistic journey 07:16 - Transition to creative computing 14:03 - Exploring AI and generativ...
On the ground inside Zero 10 with Matt Medved
05 Dec 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:22 - Welcome Matt Medved 04:34 The Evolution of Media and Culture06:36 The Birth of NFT Now and Its Mission08:52 The Gateway: Bridging Traditional...
Laurie Simmons: art, identity & experimentation in the age of AI
28 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:42 - Welcome Laurie Simmons 04:17 - Early inspiration, New York and formative travel 07:25 - Artistic beginnings and creative identity 12:00 - P...
Refik Anadol: building the world's first museum for AI art and celebrating humanity through machine collaboration
25 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:15 - Welcome Refik Anadol02:07 - Blade Runner, media architecture and early inspirations   03:34 - Defining data painting04:45 - The concept of...
Tyler Hobbs: From Noise
21 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:50 - Early days and the Art Blocks boom03:48 - A mixed-media approach to a generative practice 05:02 - From Noise 08:50 - Exploring gestural mark...
Eli Scheinman: digital art coming to Art Basel Miami
14 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:28 - Welcome (back!) Eli01:10 – Preparing for Miami Beach01:40 – Marfa and Las Vegas: Yuga Labs, collectors and community on the road5:50 – T...
OSF: from a doodle to a $100 million token
07 Nov 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:30 - Welcome OSF 01:40 - Coping with volatility and market panic 03:16 - The origins of RektGuy 06:15 - Managing impostor syndrome 09:15 - A co...
David Shrigley: finding humour in art
31 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:08 - Leaving art school and early success  03:15 - Staying true to your artistic voice 06:00 - Whitehawk and Nottingham Forest 07:13 - Frieze Ma...
Roundtable with Motzko & Lonliboy: the aesthetic experience of scrolling
28 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:25 - Welcome Motzko 03:22 - Marfa recap  07:50 - Connecting and consolidating relationships 11:28 - Marfa highlights 13:50 - Fallout from the R...
Redbeard: conviction, community and refining your focus
24 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:35 - Welcome Redbeard 02:58 - Discovering digital art 05:03 - Too many sellers, not enough buyers 09:13 - Debunking the cabal 15:13 - Power law...
Hilde Lynn Helphenstein: the real Jerry Gogosian
17 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:40 - Welcome Hilde Lynn Helphenstein07:20 - Conservatism in the art world 10:02 - Early exposure to different cultures 11:54 - Conceptual Art, ne...
Sasha Stiles: poetry in the age of AI
10 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:42 - Welcome Sasha Stiles 04:55 - The foundations for an endless curiosity 09:50 - Connecting with Kalmyk art forms 13:40 - From academia to the...
Raoul Pal: from Real Vision to the new art world
04 Oct 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:25 – Intro: Raoul Pal01:05 – Real Vision: why it started after the GFC/Euro crisis02:06 – Democratising finance content; early crypto coverag...
Adrian Pocobelli: from Ballard to digital art
26 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:33 - Welcome Adrian Pocobelli 01:39 - Discovering the counterculture 07:10 - The desire to collect 13:05 - The Stone Roses, The Smiths, and J. G...
Sebastian Sanchez: digital art at Christie's, auction models, and the power of relational dynamics
19 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:45 - Welcome Sebastian Sanchez 08:55 - A journey into digital art 11:05 - Christie's 3.0 and joining the team 17:44 - Developing a commerci...
Verse round table: Verse secondary auctions, cultural stickiness and trusting the artist
12 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:45 - Yeche Lange and Avant Gay recap 05:40 - Series size and collector focus 10:00 - Artist trajectories and release mechanics 13:10 - Art and t...
Eric De Giuli: breaking symmetry
10 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:45 - Welcome Eric De Giuli 02:18 - Connecting art and theoretical physics 05:35 - Early explorations into generative art 08:29 - Balancing artis...
Rafaël Rozendaal: opening the door to Rooms
09 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:35 - Welcome Rafaël Rozendaal 02:55 - The advantage of a conversational archive 06:21 - The influence of travel and cultural heritage 08:25 - N...
Jared Madere: Galerie Yeche Lange, VVV and the Avant Gay scene
05 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:46 - Welcome Jared Madere 03:19 - The genesis of Yeche Lange 09:20 - Market consolidation and post-2021 11:00 - Exploring the role of the galler...
Paul Pfeiffer: the art of the spectacle
04 Sep 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:47 - Welcome Paul Pfeiffer 03:07 - The spectacle of sport 07:06 - Exploring the implications of new technology 10:05 - Working with digital medi...
Verse roundtable: diving into the Solana art trenches, consensus vs. non-consensus, bullposting and long-term value accrual
29 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:48 - Diving into the Solana trenches 07:40 - PFP culture and Drilady 08:50 - Chain-specific culture and why Solana makes sense 14:26 - Parker It...
Parker Ito: exploring The Pilgrim’s Living Room Crucifixion; Mona Lisa Hyper-Gamble
28 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:38 - Welcome Parker Ito 05:25 - Tumblr, Post-Internet scene and finding community 12:20 - The effect of early success 20:30 - Disillusionment wi...
Adam Levine: exploring the Toledo Museum of Art, cultural accessibility, platform sustainability, and why Artie is leaving the space
23 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:48 - Welcome Adam Levine 01:15 - What sets the Toledo Museum of Art apart 05:22 - Ensuring the community has access to culture 07:20 - The benef...
Harm van den Dorpel: Quantizer, algorithmic archeology, and digital preservation
20 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:40 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel 01:35 - Working with plotters 05:06 - Creative beginnings 08:45 - A grounding in early AI 11:20 - From tech to...
Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi (Twitter Spaces): the early days of Club Internet, the ephemerality of time based media and the birth of Quantizer
18 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:44 - Welcome Harm van den Dorpel and Regina Harsanyi 03:05 - Nasty Nets, Club Internet and the early surf clubs 09:05 - Creating context and comm...
Steve McKeon, investing in art, the birth of Glitch and the future of digital culture
15 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:35 - Welcome Steve McKeon 02:25 - Navigating the dot-com boom and bust 08:19 - A winding path to tenure 13:20 - Discovering crypto 15:50 - Writ...
Terence Broad and Luba Elliott: unpacking (un)stable equilibrium
10 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
03:00 - Luba Elliott on Terence Broad 04:15 - Autoencoding Blade Runner 09:25 - Machine learning in 2016 12:31 - Arriving at the crossroads of tech...
Roger Dickerman: the origin of 24 Hours of Art, finding a deliberate imbalance and the objectivity of price action
09 Aug 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:50 - Welcome Roger Dickerman 02:48 - The importance of a physical space 06:02 - Roger's journey into digital art 07:45 - A deliberate imbal...
Eli Scheinman: building context, courting the traditional collector and working with Art Basel
25 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with seasoned advisor Eli Scheinman to discuss his new role at Art Basel, what’s driving the market’s fresh momentum, how to...
Nikita Diakur: The strangely beautiful world of Ugly, balancing parallel creative paths and his upcoming SOLOS exhibition
14 Jul 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week Leyla sits down with artist and filmmaker Nikita Diakur to explore his journey in the art and film worlds, spotlighting his acclaimed short ...
Natalie Stone and Shane Lavalette: The next chapter of CryptoPunks, collecting against the trend and curation as the new PFP
27 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with former General Manager of CryptoPunks and founder of StoneWork Natalie Stone, and artist, gallerist and broker Shane Lavale...
Tyler Hobbs: navigating the traditional and digital worlds, prioritising the art, and dealing with the effect of a legacy
20 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
We sat down this week with long-form generative pioneer Tyler Hobbs to explore Day Gardens, his new body of work released with La Collection at Art Ba...
Erik Swahn: inside Soma
18 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jamie and Leyla sit down with artist Erik Swahn in advance of his upcoming series Soma. They discuss his artistic evolution, the impact of attention o...
Sofia Garcia: the birth of ARTXCODE, building relationships and the future of art
13 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jamie and Leyla sit down with Sofia Garcia to explore her journey through digital art, from the early days of ARTXCODE and building lasting relationsh...
Making markets, creating value and building for the long-term
06 Jun 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jay, Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down together and examine the markets growing optimism, gallery models, transparency and creating value and confidence ...
Ciphrd & Cosimo from fx(hash): open-form, $FXH, art coins and the importance of an open platform
30 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jamie, Ivan and Leyla sit down with Ciphrd and Cosimo from fxhash to explore their new Open-form protocol, the launch of the $FXH token and how the tw...
Snowfro: democratising art, navigating success and the realities of gatekeeping
23 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Welcoming Erick Calderon aka Snowfro, to discuss all things generative, Art Blocks, Generative Goods, the difficulty of wearing multiple hats, the wei...
Beeple: 69 problems but p*nises ain't one
16 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jay, Ivan, Leyla and Jamie sit down with Beeple to discuss the importance of authenticity, virality, the role of galleries in web3 and the responsibil...
Phantom Scribbler: are aesthetics dead, the social stickiness of NFTs, memetic value and an impulsive approach to art
09 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
A conversation with legendary collector and timeline provocateur Phantom Scribbler. We dive into memes, the social impact of NFTs, the importance of c...
Adam Berninger: Heft, physical spaces for the digital community, institutional vs influencer gatekeeping and the culture casino
02 May 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Jay, Ivan, Jamie and Leyla sit down with Adam Berninger of Tender and Heft Gallery to dive into Heft's opening, the realities of opening a physic...
A conversation with Kenny Schachter, plus Sketchbook B, Zora's content coins and Rodeo's USD pivot
25 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
Kenny Schachter joins Leyla, Jay, Jamie & Ivan to discuss NFT-ism, technology, criticism and all things art before diving into Sketchbook B, conte...
Jack Butcher: this episode may or may not be notable
18 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
This week Jack Butcher joins Jamie, Leyla and Jay to discuss, the power of a network, Systems art, the internet's huge creative unlock, the value...
Toxic positivity within the space, are panel discussions boring? Leyla's wallet boycott, Jack Kaido and SuperRare
12 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:20 - Recap on William Mapan's SOLOS exhibition in London05:00 - Mapan's holistic artistic approach 07:40 - Are discussion panels boring1...
The Deviates secret revealed (SPOILERS), Chat GPT's Ghibli moment and life with personalised slop machines
04 Apr 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:58 - The Deviates aftermath 02:15 - Unpacking the process 03:45 - The secret 06:40 - Driving variety and collaboration 10:50 - Battling platf...
Opening the sketchbook: A conversation with William Mapan
28 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:22 - A complex practice 05:30 - Reflecting on Sketchbook A 09:50 - Parenthood on creativity  12:15 - Slowing down and escaping a framework 16:0...
Blue chip art in a red chip world, Jeff Magid and traditional perspectives, converging towards consensus
21 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:30 - Jeff Magid 08:50 - Discovering another world 16:25 - Becoming a collector 19:15 - Risks and rewards 24:35 - Breaking convention 28:40 - T...
Hot deals or falling knives, the pullback and its cultural impact, thinking about historical context
14 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:03 - Hunting for deals 02:47 - A market slump's effect on cultural enthusiasm 06:40 - Reassessing pricing and expanding the collector base ...
The Giraffe, pretension vs fun, building in the space and the team's 2 ETH picks
07 Mar 2025
Contributed by Lukas
03:00 - The Giraffe, debate, drama and narrative 07:37 - Understanding and the value of participation 11:19 - Pretension vs fun16:15 - Freedom of ex...
A conversation with Alejandro Cartagena, competition and collaboration, curating AI Agents and the power of machine artists
28 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:40 - Embracing Web3's rollercoaster 03:20 - Navigating the intensity and finding a balance 07:57 - Living parallel lives 10:20 - Understa...
Unpacking Geometric Fluidity, concept vs aesthetics, SuperRare's Discord closure
21 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:45 - Unpacking Geometric Fluidity 04:28 - First steps and markers06:52 - Community, creation and curation 09:58 - Proof of participation 12:00 -...
Botto post-performance, the Christie's letter, art vs slop
14 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:02 - Big sales and moving beyond the bubble 02:27 - Considered acquisitions 04:15 - Botto evolution and the afterlife of the work 07:09 - Though...
Is marketing the new curating, navigating the algorithm, chain dynamics
07 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:40 - The market's impact 03:15 - Chain choices and complexities 12:00 - Early constraints and historic value 15:20 - Is marketing the new c...
Simon Hudson on the future of Botto and the power of the DAO
05 Feb 2025
Contributed by Lukas
02:20 - p5 and the evolution of Botto 10:22 - The future of governance and Botto's agency 15:00 - Navigating the new agentic landscape 19:25 -...
Mario Klingemann on the evolution of Botto
31 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
02:40 - Building and hacking systems 09:35 - The birth of Botto 14:10 - The importance of the DAO 18:30 - The evolution of Botto in the face of new...
AI and the art market, emerging artists, Kim Asendorf's PXL DEX
24 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:25 - Crazy season 11:25 - Kim Asendof's PXL and an upward market 21:47 - Thinking about emerging artists 26:25 - Striking a balance 31...
Breaking new ground with Botto, Ivan heads up Artist Rooms, the Rodeo continues
17 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
00:37 - Ivan heads up Artist Rooms 01:50 - The excitement of a more open schedule 03:04 - Curation and focus for Artist Rooms 07:19 - Flexibility, fre...
Rodeo takes off, defining importance and "the" list
11 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
01:38 - Breaking down the list 03:40 - Context matters 07:06 - Liquidity and rarity 10:37 - How to define importance 16:10 - The problem with 'th...
Predictions, collecting and curating in 2025
03 Jan 2025
Contributed by Lukas
06:49 - Trends and predictions for 2025 07:20 - AI agents and their continued impact  18:51 - The decline of metas  26:24 - Expanding the definitio...
Team picks and highlights of 2024
31 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
01:38 - Highlights and Lowlights 22:23 - Collector of the year 30:44 - Influencer of the year 40:25 - Blockchain of the year 46:10 - Controversy of th...
Looking back on 2024, systems art vs object fetishism, platform tokens
20 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
01:23 - Signs for the year ahead  04:52 - Looking back on 2024  10:11 - Buying, selling and thinking about a collection from a market perspective  ...
Inside TABCORP LABS: a conversation with Tabor Robak
16 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
01:14 - An overview of Tabor's career to date  04:19 - The common threads  07:25 - Physical vs digital  12:39 - Scepticism from the traditiona...
Art Basel & shl0ms recap, 'drops' vs ongoing releases, do curators need to be collectors
13 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
00:38 - Art Basel Recap 04:12 - Online vs irl connections 07:40 - Reflections on Security 19:59 - Release mechanics and artist growth 32:15 - The ...
Release Dynamics, PFPs and community, discipline to collecting, Shl0ms is God
06 Dec 2024
Contributed by Lukas
00:48 - Are we back? 04:25 - Collector confidence 11:14 - New entrants to the space 13:17 - RTFKT closure 17:20 - PFPs, identity and community ...
Reflecting on the Banana, memes and virality, gearing up for Miami, the final act of Shl0ms' Security
29 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
01:08 - Jay's experience as an artist 10:00 - "Anyone can art?" 16:59 - Reflecting on the banana and its impact 21:12 - Memes and viral...
AI agents, meme coins, Marfa recap
22 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
01:18 - Marfa recap 16:45 - Artists, meme coins and marketing 23:04 - Financial nihilism and Sterling Crispin's post 26:54 - AI agents and their ...
Virality in art, shared cultural realities, navigating the market
15 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
01:09 - Sentiment check 03:01 - Navigating the market 09:07 - Platforms prepping for the bull 15:45 - Twitter discourse 17:54 - Art and virality 22:1...
Investment funds involvement with institutions, ethics in the space, $BAN fall out and Paris Photo
08 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
00:31 - Sentiment in the space 03:10 - Paris Photo 11:44 - $BAN and Michael Bouhanna 17:20 - The responsibility of leaders in the space and publ...
AI season, Botto's evolution, artist meme coins, ArtBlocks partners with OpenSea
01 Nov 2024
Contributed by Lukas
00:29 - Sentiment in the space 02:31 - Art Basel report and movement in the wider art world07:18 - Cattelan's banana and artist meme coins 15:50 ...
Artie Handz news, ArtBlocks Curated returns, Foundation's Pivot
26 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
00:33 - Artie Handz news 05:03 - The realities of running a platform in the space 10:07 - Has being platform side shifted Jay's perspective 1...
Frieze rundown, are fairs still relevant, the bleeding edge, emotion versus technicality in art
18 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
1:52 Sentiment check 10:45 Shl0ms, energy and the market15:05 Frieze rundown, are art fairs still relevant? 20:48 Combining a digital and physical app...
Artist sustainability, posturing and authenticity, collector mentality, Shl0ms' Security
11 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
12:00 - Posturing and authenticity 21:03 - Collectors selling  24:50 - Reflecting on price extremes  30:44 - 2021 fallout and the price of pa...
BURNT UMBER BROKEN SILVER AMERICAN SPIRIT, a conversation with Petra Cortright
07 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
https://www.petracortright.com/ https://solos.gallery/artists/petra-cortright https://verse.works/petra-cortright Â
Shape goes live, private sales vs the ethos of the space, is crypto hurting us, Verse's new secondary market and SOLOS fall programme
04 Oct 2024
Contributed by Lukas
00:56 - Shape goes live 05:20 - Private sales vs accessibility 17:20 - Should PFPs show up in an art platform’s secondary market? Where’s the li...
Silk Road run down, competition in the space, Mat Dryhurst's post, is conceptual art a scam?
27 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
3:30 - Silk Road run down 7:33 - Collaboration in the space 13:58 - Competing or complementary  23:54 - The issue with a lack of risk 31:02 - The ...
Bad taste in the space? What is good art? Verse product updates
20 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
01:35 - Personal Journeys 17:00 - Bad Taste in the space? 26:00 - Defining good art 33:00 - What is bad art 37:50 - Artist wallets and provenance ...
Supply dynamics, platforms bidding at auction, gallery representation, the Verse curation board
13 Sep 2024
Contributed by Lukas
02:15 - Supply dynamics 09.05 - Consistency vs experimentation 11:42 - The argument for gallery exclusivity 19:50 - Platforms & galleries biddi...