Walk-Ins Welcome with Bridget Phetasy
Episodes
E283. Black Victim to Black Victor - Adam Coleman
02 May 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Adam Coleman sits down with Bridget to discuss his book Black Victim to Black Victor: Identifying the ideologies, behavioral patterns and cultural nor...
E282. TikTok Is Ruining Comedy - Blair Socci
25 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Blair Socci sits down with Bridget and talks about the ins and outs of comedy, how people’s understanding of standup comedy is being shaped...
E281. Who Should Face A Firing Squad - Jimmy Failla
18 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian, former cab driver, and current Host of FOX News Saturday Night and radio program FOX Across America, Jimmy Failla joins Bridget for a hilari...
E280. How To Save America - Tulsi Gabbard
11 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
4-Term Congresswoman, U.S. Army veteran, and 2020 presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard sits down with Bridget to talk about her new book, For Love of ...
E279. Can We Balance Female Rights and Trans Rights? - Arielle Isaac Norman
04 Apr 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Arielle Isaac Norman returns to the show and she and Bridget have a frank conversation about gender, gender dynamics, gender politics, and ba...
E278. We’re Being Driven Towards A New Kind of Racism - Coleman Hughes
28 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Coleman Hughes sits down with Bridget to discuss his latest book, The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America. They talk about why pe...
E277. Can Mushrooms Kill The Ego? - Jeff Leach
21 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Jeff Leach sits down with Bridget for a talk about the entertainment industry, comedy, money and therapeutic mushrooms. They discuss the deat...
E276. Are We Still Teaching Critical Thinking To Kids? - Warren Smith
14 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Original Air Date - 3/14/24 Warren Smith is a teacher who went viral for a critical thought exercise he did with a student. The topic? JK Rowling. He ...
E275. Funny Is The Ultimate Currency - Brad Williams
07 Mar 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Brad Williams stops in to talk shop with Bridget. They discuss the immediate feedback of performing in front of a live audience, the fun part...
E274. Bad Therapy: Why The Kids Aren't Growing Up - Abigail Shrier
29 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Abigail Shrier returns to talk about her latest book Bad Therapy: Why The Kids Aren't Growing Up . She and Bridget discuss what led her to write ...
E273. Katherine Brodsky Refuses To Apologize
22 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Katherine Brodsky, author of No Apologies: How To Find And Free Your Voice In The Age of Outrage , sits down with Bridget to discuss navigating mob ou...
E272. Naomi Petel Survived October 7th
15 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Naomi Petel spent 19 hours locked her shelter with her husband and 3 sons on October 7th. She sits down with Bridget to tell her story, what she, her ...
E271. Overcoming The Victim Mentality - Rob Henderson
08 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Rob Henderson returns to talk about his new book Troubled: A Memoir of Foster Care, Family, and Social Class. He and Bridget discuss the realities of ...
E270. Our Health Care System Is Insane - Andy Schoonover
01 Feb 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Andy Schoonover, founder and CEO of CrowdHealth, sits down with Bridget to discuss our broken health care system and the innovative way CrowdHealth wo...
E269. Make Yourself AI Proof - Ravi Gupta
25 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Ravi Gupta, co-host of Lost Debate podcast, sit s down with Bridget for a wide-ranging discussion about hosting too many podcasts, whether anyone is s...
E268. AB5 Going National Will Be A Disaster - Kevin Kiley
18 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
California Representative Kevin Kiley, sits down with Bridget to discuss the consequences of the disastrous California AB5 bill going national, and wh...
E267. Sarah Hepola Longs for the 90s
11 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Sarah Hepola, author of Blackout: Remembering The Things I Drank To Forget, sits down with Bridget to discuss their longing for the 90s, how they&apos...
E266. The Business of Content Creation - Katherine Dee
04 Jan 2024
Contributed by Lukas
Katherine Dee returns to break down the overwhelming apathy many seemed to feel during 2023 and look ahead to what we might be facing in 2024. She and...
E265. Mike Jones Will Teach You To Survive
28 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Garand Thumb Youtuber, Mike Jones, sits down with Bridget for a frank conversation about gun culture and all the factors that go into the gun debate, ...
E264. How The Woke Became The New Puritans - Andrew Doyle
21 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Andrew Doyle returns to discuss his latest book The New Puritans: How the Religion of Social Justice Captured the Western World. Andrew wrote the book...
E263. Comedy Is A Mental Illness Factory - Tom Sawyer
14 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Tom Sawyer, former owner and manager of the famous Cobbs Comedy Club in San Francisco, sits down with Bridget to discuss what it takes to make a caree...
E262. The Paradox of Authenticity - Thomas de Zengotita
07 Dec 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Mediated Series - Part 7:Published in 2005, Mediated: How the Media Shapes Your World and the Way You Live In It, became Bridget's bible for unde...
E261. Are You Out Of Your Mind? - Ami Kozak
30 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with comedian & musician Ami Kozak for a conversation about how he uses platforms to address what’s going on as a modern Ortho...
E260. Jacob Bresler Has Never Stopped Believing In Humanity
23 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
From the ages of 11 to 16 Jacob Bresler survived five years of ghettos and concentration camps during World War II. He credits his inventiveness, his ...
E259. The Rise Of Antisemitism On The Left - Gad Saad
16 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with Gad Saad, author of The Saad Truth About Happiness and The Parasitic Mind , to discuss the Israel/Palestine conflict, the rise...
E258. Don't Hire From Harvard - Greg Lukianoff
09 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Greg Lukianoff returns to talk about his new book, The Canceling of The American Mind. He and Bridget discuss people who still don’t believe cancel ...
E257. Your Face Belongs To Us - Kashmir Hill
02 Nov 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Kashmir Hill, New York Times Tech reporter, sits down with Bridget to discuss her new book, Your Face Belongs To Us: A Secretive Startup's Quest ...
E256. Antisemitism Seen As Second Degree Bigotry - Noam Blum
26 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with Noam Blum, Chief Technology Officer at Tablet magazine, for a conversation about the Israel/Palestine conflict. They discuss th...
E255. They're Sterilizing Gay Kids - Helen Joyce
19 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Helen Joyce, author of Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality , sits down with Bridget for an in-depth conversation about the trans activist movement, wha...
E254. Peasant Wisdom From Walter Kirn
12 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with the great Walter Kirn, novelist, essayist, and editor-at-large of the new print-only newspaper County Highway. Walter shares wh...
E253. Beverly Hills 90210 and The Holocaust - Yael Bar Tur & ChayaLeah Sufrin
05 Oct 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Yael Bar Tur & ChayaLeah Sufrin, hosts of the Ask A Jew podcast, s it down with Bridget for a fun, freewheeling conversation about the differences...
E252. Democrats Need To Look In A Mirror - Yascha Mounk
28 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Yascha Mounk, author of The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power In Our Time , sits down with Bridget to discuss the rise of a set of ideas about...
E251. The High Cost of Speaking Up For Women - Paula Scanlan
21 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Paula Scanlan, former University of Pennsylvania swimmer and team member with transgender athlete Lia Thomas, sits down with Bridget to discuss her ex...
E250. PR Is Like Poker - Mitchell Jackson
14 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Mitchell Jackson, founder and lead communications strategist at BCC Communications, returns to the show for a conversation with Bridget about public r...
E249. Republicans Need To Appeal To The Center - Tamika Hamilton
07 Sep 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Former Republican nominee for Congress and 14 year Air Force veteran Tamika Hamilton, sits down with Bridget to discuss the realities of running for o...
E248. Girls Are Being Taught To Stay Silent - Bethany Mandel
31 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bethany Mandel, co-author of Stolen Youth: How Radicals Are Erasing Innocence and Destroying A Generation , sits down with Bridget for a frank convers...
E247. The Fastest Path To Success Is Failure - Zack Arnold
24 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Zack Arnold, film & TV editor as well as a career strategist, coach, and the founder of Optimize Yourself , sits down with Bridget for a conversat...
E246. Jonathan Tropper Thinks "Warrior" Is A Show For Everyone
17 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jonathan Tropper, writer, producer, and creator of hit HBO Max show Warrior, sits down with Bridget to discuss how the show that Bruce Lee developed f...
E245. How Peachy Keenan Was Radicalized By Her Husband
10 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Author Peachy Keenan sits down with Bridget to discuss her first book, Domestic Extremist: A Practical Guide To Winning The Culture War . They talk ab...
E244. Chris Rufo On How The Radical Left Conquered Everything
03 Aug 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Chris Rufo, author of America's Cultural Revolution: How the Radical Left Conquered Everything , sits down with Bridget to discuss his research i...
E243. Karol Markowicz - Woke Conformity Should Terrify People
27 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Writer Karol Markowicz sits down with Bridget to discuss her first book, Stolen Youth: How Radicals Are Erasing Innocence And Indoctrinating A Generat...
E242. Carol Roth - You Will Own Nothing
20 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Carol Roth, "recovering" investment banker and entrepreneur, sits down with Bridget for a terrifying conversation about hitting an inflectio...
E241. Dr. Drew Thinks Addicts Are Great Survivors
13 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with physician and radio host Dr. Drew Pinsky. They reminisce about Love Lines, which Bridget was a huge fan of in her teens, how Dr...
E240. Stephen L. Miller - You Need An Unbreakable Bullsh*t Detector
06 Jul 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Writer and commentator Stephen L. Miller sits down with Bridget to discuss what drew him into journalism and media, the hypocrisy he saw, when the rea...
E239. Farrah Storr: The Death Of The Magazine
29 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Farrah Storr, former editor-in-chief of Elle, Cosmopolitan & Women's Health, sits down with Bridget to discuss the never-ending hustle of bei...
E238. Jacob Siegel: We're Being Lied To Every Day
22 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Journalist and senior director of news at Tablet magazine, Jacob Siegel, sits down with Bridget to discuss his recent article A Guide to Understanding...
E237. Tim Urban Thinks Political Junk Food Is Killing Us
15 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Tim Urban, writer/illustrator and co-founder of Wait But Why , a long-form, stick-figure-illustrated website, sits down with Bridget to discuss his ne...
E236. Jena Friedman Knows You Will Hate This
08 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Jena Friedman, comic and author of new book Not Funny: Essays On Life, Comedy, Culture, Et Cetera , has a frank conversation with Bridget about mother...
E235. Comedy Is Kat Timpf's Religion
01 Jun 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Kat Timpf, co-host of Gutfeld! and author of You Can't Joke About That , sits down with Bridget to discuss writing a book about some of her most ...
E234. Dave Yates Channels Buddha
25 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian and Dumpster Fire writer Dave Yates, sits down with Bridget for a long overdue conversation about comedy, addiction, sobriety, and making pea...
E233. Thomas de Zengotita Thinks We're Mainlining Flattery
18 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Mediated Series - Part 6:Published in 2005, Mediated: How the Media Shapes Your World and the Way You Live In It , became Bridget's bible for un...
E232. Leighton Woodhouse Explains The Censorship Industrial Complex
11 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Independent journalist, Leighton Woodhouse, sits down with Bridget for an in-depth conversation about the Censorship Industrial Complex, which is an e...
E231. Agnieszka Pilat Is The Robot Whisperer
04 May 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with Polish-born artist, Agnieszka Pilat, who is best known for her series of heroic portraits of technology and for paintings co-cr...
E230. Mike Jones Will Teach You To Survive
27 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Garand Thumb Youtuber, Mike Jones, sits down with Bridget for a frank conversation about gun culture and all the factors that go into the gun debate, ...
E229. Andrew Doyle Explains How The Woke Became The New Puritans
20 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Andrew Doyle returns to discuss his latest book The New Puritans: How the Religion of Social Justice Captured the Western World . Andrew wrote the boo...
E228. Steve Krakauer Says People Don’t Trust News Sources Anymore
13 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Steve Krakauer is the author of Uncovered: How the Media Got Cozy With Power, Abandoned Its Principles, and Lost the People . He and Bridget sit down ...
E227. Siddharth Kara Explains Slavery Exists Today On A Global Scale
06 Apr 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Siddharth Kara, author, researcher, and activist on modern slavery sits down with Bridget to discuss the harsh reality of cobalt mining and the fact t...
E226. Brad Polumbo Thinks Gen Z Doesn't Care About Privacy
30 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Writer and podcaster Brad Polumbo drops in to discuss his evolution into a content creator, the medium through which he's discovered people his a...
E225. Rob Henderson Discusses The Cost of Luxury Beliefs
23 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Writer Rob Henderson sits down with Bridget to discuss Luxury Beliefs, what they are, why they disproportionately effect the lower classes, and why pe...
E224. Mary Harrington Is Against Progress
15 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Author Mary Harrington sits down to discuss her new book Feminism Against Progress. She and Bridget discuss how it’s always taken for granted that p...
E223. Josh Szeps Wonders About Falling Down A Rabbit Hole
09 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Podcast host and journalist Josh Szeps sits down with Bridget for a conversation about the appeal of the rabbit holes that normal, intelligent people ...
E222. Ian Lara Will Come To Your Town & Sleep With Your Wife
02 Mar 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Stand-up comic Ian Lara stops in to talk about the ups and downs of his career in stand-up comedy, how he veered from a political science & engine...
E221. Fred Mwangaguhunga Thinks Gossip Is Innately Human
24 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Fred Mwangaguhunga, founder of urban celebrity news site, Media Takeout, sits down for a conversation about entrepreneurship, the three businesses he&...
E220. Wilfred Reilly Could Save America
16 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Wilfred Reilly, professor & author, sits down with Bridget for a fascinating conversation about the disconnect between what people in upper middle...
E219. Byron Bowers Feels Like The Black Forest Gump
09 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with comic Byron Bowers for a wide ranging conversation that covers his entry into standup, his burgeoning acting career, and their ...
E218. Michael Shermer On The Truth About Conspiracy Theories
02 Feb 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Michael Shermer stops in to talk about his new book Conspiracy: Why the Rational Believe the Irrational . He and Bridget discuss trying to diffuse the...
E217. Katherine Dee Needs To Log Off
26 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Katherine Dee, writer and internet historian, sits down with Bridget to discuss the strange corners of the internet she's explored and how she ma...
E216. Phil Hanley Explains The Gifts Of Dyslexia
19 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Phil Hanley drops in to talk about his new stand up special Oh La La. He and Bridget discuss what it was like for him growing up with undiagn...
E215. Thomas de Zengotita Discusses The Rise of Identity Politics
12 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Mediated Series - Part 5:Published in 2005, Mediated: How the Media Shapes Your World and the Way You Live In It , became Bridget's bible for und...
E214. Joel Stein Hates People Who Have Yachts
05 Jan 2023
Contributed by Lukas
Joel Stein (columnist, author & podcast host) joins Bridget for the first video edition of Walk-Ins Welcome! They sit down for a fun and wide-rang...
E213. Bari Weiss Believes It's Never Going To Get Easier To Speak Up, So Do It Now
29 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Bari Weiss is a journalist (New York Times, Wall Street Journal) and author of How to Fight Antisemitism. She and Bridget have an in-depth conversatio...
E212. Matt Taibbi Discusses The Failure of Traditional News Media
22 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Matt Taibbi, author and journalist, drops in to discuss the state of modern journalism, why it's increasingly difficult to source news you trust,...
E211. Zak Williams Believes Finding Your Mission Makes You Unstoppable
15 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Zak Williams is CEO and founder of neurotransmitter health company PYM , and is passionate about developing products for supporting optimal mental wel...
E210. Noam Blum Thinks Twitter Is Too Important
08 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Noam Blum, Chief Technology Officer at Tablet magazine, sits down with Bridget for a conversation about Twitter and the online space. Known on Twitter...
E209. Heather Pasternak Is Pursuing More Joy
01 Dec 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Heather Pasternak, stand-up comic and old friend of Bridget's, stops in to talk about her new comedy special Slay At Home Mom. She and Bridget di...
E207. Rina Raphael Wants You To Know Goop Isn't The Answer
17 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Rina Raphael is a journalist and author who covers health, wellness, and women's issues. She sits down with Bridget to discuss her new book The G...
E206. Tara Henley Thinks Nobody Works Harder Than Rappers
08 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Tara Henley, journalist and author of Lean Out: A Meditation on the Madness of Modern Life , joins Bridget for a free ranging conversation about start...
E205. Jennifer Briney Believes We Don't Have A Party For The Working Class Anymore
03 Nov 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Jennifer Briney, host of the Congressional Dish podcast, sits down with Bridget to talk about her mission to read the bills and laws passed by Congre...
E204. Chris Williamson Wants To Know Why You're Doing This
27 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Chris Williamson, host of the Modern Wisdom podcast, sits down with Bridget to talk about how he got where he is. They cover his start as a nightclub ...
E203. Sarah Haider Says Don't Label Yourself
20 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget sits down with Sarah Haider, writer, activist and podcaster, for a wide ranging conversation covering Sarah's thoughts as an ex-Muslim on...
E202. Ariel Pink Didn't Know It Was Illegal To Vote For Trump
13 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Ariel Pink is an American musician, singer, songwriter and indie rock icon. However, his attendance at the January 6th Trump rally at the White House ...
E201. Thomas de Zengotita Thinks The Human Mind Is Not Made To Ingest This Much Media
06 Oct 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Mediated Series - Part 4:Published in 2005, Mediated: How the Media Shapes Your World and the Way You Live In It , became Bridget's bible for und...
E200. Never Forget These Are The Good Old Days
29 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Bridget and Cousin Maggie sit down to celebrate the 200th episode of Walk-Ins Welcome. They marvel at the fact that they've been consistent with ...
E199. Lee Camp Says America Doesn't Have A Left Wing Party
22 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian and political commentator Lee Camp drops in for a conversation about his political awakening, why we should turn off all mainstream corporate...
E198. Nimesh Patel - (Chris Rock Thinks He's Funny)
15 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Nimesh Patel sits down with Bridget to talk about his new comedy special Thank You China , how he got started in comedy, how TikTok was vital...
E197. Greg Lukianoff Wishes Business Wasn't Booming
08 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Greg Lukianoff (The Coddling of the American Mind , Unlearning Liberty ) sits down with Bridget for a conversation about free speech on college campus...
E196. Thomas de Zengotita Asserts Teenage Girls Run The World
01 Sep 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Mediated Series - Part 3:Published in 2005, Mediated: How the Media Shapes Your World and the Way You Live in It, became Bridget's bible for unde...
E195. James Kirchick On The Hidden History of Gay Washington
25 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
James Kirchick stops in to talk about his new book Secret City: The Hidden History of Gay Washington. He and Bridget discuss his fascinating deep dive...
E194. Louise Perry Thinks The Sexual Revolution Was Bad For Women
18 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Louise Perry, author of The Case Against the Sexual Revolution, sits down with Bridget to talk about the repercussions of the sexual revolution and wh...
E193. Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin Believe Authenticity Is The Currency of the Internet
11 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin of the Triggernometry Podcast stop in for a wide ranging and hilarious conversation with Bridget about their tour ...
E192. Colin Wright Is Dying On The Stupidest Hill In The World
04 Aug 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Colin Wright is an evolutionary biologist and Founding Editor of Reality's Last Stand, a publication and newsletter exploring the biology of sex...
E191. Brittany Schmitt Believes Comedy Is Tragedy Plus Time
28 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Brittany Schmitt returns for a talk with Bridget about her new comedy special, From Ho To Housewife, what it actually takes to produce a come...
E190. Dusty Slay Thinks Doing Comedy Is Abusing Yourself For No Reward
21 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Comedian Dusty Slay stops in for a fun and freewheeling conversation with Bridget about the joys of new parenthood, being a road comedian during Covid...
E189. Thomas de Zengotita Encourages Humanity To See Itself As One Being
14 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Mediated Series - Part 2:Published in 2005, Mediated: How the Media Shapes Your World and the Way You Live in It, became Bridget's bible for unde...
E188. Noah Rothman Thinks The Lunatics Are The Ones Left In The Political Arena
07 Jul 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Noah Rothman returns to discuss his new book, The Rise of the New Puritans: Fighting Back Against Progressives' War on Fun . He and Bridget discu...
E187. Inez Stepman Believes You Can't Sit Out The Culture War
30 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Inez Stepman is a senior policy analyst at Independent Women's Forum, has over a decade of experience in education policy, and also handles issue...
E186. Blaire White Says Everyone's Just Crazy
22 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Blaire White is a popular YouTuber and media personality. She sits down with Bridget for a frank conversation about being a transgender woman and the ...
E185. Thomas de Zengotita Explains The Narcissism Loop
16 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Mediated Series - Part 1: Published in 2005, Mediated: How the Media Shapes Your World and the Way You Live in It , became Bridget's bible for u...
E184. Lacey McLaughlin Gives A Damn About People
09 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Lacey McLaughlin is an executive coach who has guided top leaders through challenging workplace scenarios across the aerospace, automotive, entertainm...
E183. Konstantin Kisin Wants To Be Better
02 Jun 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Konstantin Kisin (Triggernometry) sits down with Bridget to discuss his new book, An Immigrant's Love Letter To The West . They have a fascinatin...