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Watch Her Cook

The Woman Who Spoke To Animals

16 Apr 2025

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Deep in Europe’s oldest forest once lived a witch… or at least that’s what people called her. Simona Kossak, defined by her anything-but-ordinary life, was a biologist and Professor of Forest Sciences who dedicated herself to protecting the Białowieża Forest’s fragile ecosystem. Living in a remote cabin surrounded by her wild companions, she was as fierce in her activism as in her love for nature, leaving a lasting legacy on both science and conservation. Follow us on Instagram ⁠@watchhercookpodcast ⁠ Sources: ⁠The Extraordinary Life of Simona Kossak⁠ -Scroll down to see the iconic image of Simona and her boar, Zabka! ⁠The Badass Story of Simona Kossak⁠ ⁠Legendary Conservationist Simona Kossak Lived Her Life in a Forest Hut With a Lynx, a Boar and a Terrorist Crow⁠ ⁠Białowieża Forest- UNESCO World Heritage⁠ ⁠Poland faces €100,000-a-day fines over illegal logging in Białowieża forest⁠ ⁠Effectiveness of an acoustic wildlife warning device using natural calls to reduce the risk of train collisions with animals Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1.573 - 28.6 Danielle

A chimpanzee will hold out a hand to comfort a grieving friend. It will share food, forge alliances, wage wars, and even laugh when it's surprised. We share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees. Genetically, we are almost identical. And yet, we tell ourselves we are civilized, superior, and removed from the wild. But are we? Like chimpanzees, we form tight-knit communities.

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29.042 - 50.806 Danielle

driven by love, power, and survival. We play, we grieve, we teach our young. We communicate not just with words, but with gestures and expressions embedded deep in our biology. If we strip away the concrete buildings, the screens, and the rules that we've built, what mutually remains is our instinct and our connection to nature.

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52.293 - 76.577 Danielle

Many of us live in a society that sees the world as a place to conquer, when really, it's a place we need to understand and protect. Because in reality, the animals, forests, insects, and all that exists in the great outdoors is not beneath us, it is part of us. And it was one determined woman's mission to prove it. This is Watch Her Cook.

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82.23 - 101.177 Cassie

Hello, everyone. I'm Cassie. And I'm Danielle. Welcome back to Watcher Cook, a podcast dedicated to sharing the incredible lives of women who have taken their power back throughout history. Everything you just said for the opener sounds like this might be a Jane Goodall episode, but surprise, it is not a Jane Goodall episode.

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101.317 - 109.26 Cassie

But I would say that Simona Kozak, who we're talking about today, deserves the amount of attention that she's gotten, and we're really excited to talk about her.

109.901 - 133.687 Danielle

Yeah. And we were inspired to do Simona's story from of all things, a viral Facebook post. And hopefully as we describe her and get into her story, you'll know exactly the photo that we're speaking about. So like Cassie just alluded to, today we are exploring the incredible story of Simona Kosak, an inspiring figure in environmental activism and ecology.

134.348 - 158.414 Danielle

She was a scientist, biologist, professor of forest sciences, ecologist, and a writer. Often called an animal psychologist, she had a rare ability to understand and form deep connections with wild animals. She spent over 30 years living in the Biało-Wiesia forest, where she dedicated much of her life to advocating for the protection of the forest, which is Europe's oldest.

159.375 - 181.939 Cassie

Before we dive deeper into her story, let's learn a little bit more about who Simona was. Simona was born in May of 1943 in Krakow, Poland, during World War II. Her father, Jerzy Kozak, was a famous painter and part of a family of artists known for capturing Polish landscapes and history. Her mother was his former mistress.

182.759 - 200.111 Cassie

Despite the family's artistic background, Simona didn't feel a deep connection to her father or his world of painting and high society. Rather than picking up the easel, Simona was far more interested in observing animals, studying ecosystems, and immersing herself in nature.

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