We've Got WARD

Two Years OnWARD

18 May 2022

Contributed by Lukas

Did you know it has been two years since Matt and Scott wrapped up We've Got Ward!? The guys got back together again to talk about how they feel about...

Deep In WARD

17 Jun 2020

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We've got Ward too! Elliot and Reuben hop into Parahumans-land for a bit to deliver on a donation goal everyone helped us reach during our 24-hour All...

Feed Drop - Decomposing WORM

03 Jun 2020

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Hey friends! I hope everyone is doing well! We don't have a new episode of We've Got Ward for you today because, well, that book is over. But we thoug...

The Wildbow Interview

20 May 2020

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Surprise! We were so thrilled to sit down with Wildbow a couple of weeks ago and talk to him about his writing process, his life, and of course Ward! ...

We've Got WARD - AfterWARD

13 May 2020

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This week, we say goodbye to Ward and our podcast by looking back on the book and answering all of your questions. This is a recording of a live-strea...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Final)

06 May 2020

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This week...we finish the book. It's over! Done. Kaput. Fin.  We're discussing chapters 20.e6 and 20.end! No more discussion questions, but it's time...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 9)

29 Apr 2020

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This week on the show, some plot tries to invade the epilogue, but Dr. Darnall tells it to go away! We're talking about epilogue chapters 20.e4 and 20...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 8)

22 Apr 2020

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This week on the show we continue to work through Ward's epilogue. This time focusing on Chastity and Jeff the Nice Number Boy. We're covering 20.e2 a...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 7)

15 Apr 2020

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This week on the show we finish the final chapter of the book and move into the epilogue! We discuss chapters 20.11 and 20.e1!  We also announce the ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 6)

08 Apr 2020

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This week on the show, Capes accidentally discover democracy! We're discussing 20.10 and 20.b!  The Championship match of March's Madness is live. Ch...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 5)

01 Apr 2020

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This week on the show: Victoria opens up to Lisa about her whole "all the capes die" plan, and manages to convince the warlord! Then Defiant gets the ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 4)

25 Mar 2020

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Chris finally makes his choice and...it's the one the Simurgh, and thus none of us, were expecting. Also, Victoria's genocide plan is foiled and maybe...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 3)

18 Mar 2020

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Last continues with Victoria increasingly losing her body and mind! Don't worry though, cause Sveta's joined the losing it party! We're discussing 20....

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 2)

11 Mar 2020

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This week Arc 20: Last continues! Victoria is fine, y'all. There's nothing to worry about. We definitely don't compare her to Goddess, Heartbreaker, o...

We've Got WARD - Arc 20: Last (Part 1)

04 Mar 2020

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This week we begin the final arc of Ward...probably. I mean it's named Last, right? That's probably not a trick. Right? Guys? We're discussing chapter...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Final)

26 Feb 2020

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This week, Scott realizes he actually loved Brian all along and didn't know it. Also, The Simurgh is bad! Who saw that coming? Not us! We wrap up Arc ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Part 7)

19 Feb 2020

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This week, Kenzie makes us sad and Amy makes us...not mad? Wait, that can't be right. We're discussing chapters 19.f and 19.10. It's time for the 8th ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Part 6)

12 Feb 2020

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This week on the show, we're really feeling the love as we discuss chapters 19.8 and 19.9! It's time for the 8th Quarterly Fan Art Contest: https://w...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Part 5)

05 Feb 2020

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This week we deal with an unbelievably sad tragedy and also talk for far too long about birds. We're discussing 19.e and 19.7! It's time for the 8th Q...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Part 4)

29 Jan 2020

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The journey into Infrared goes through some spikey forests and a moderately reformed bigot! We're discussing chapters 19.6 and 19.d. Discussion Questi...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Part 3)

22 Jan 2020

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Arc 19: Infrared continues with the conclusion of Gilpatrick's story and the rise of Rain the world-saving Badass. We're covering 19.c and 19.5! Discu...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Part 2)

15 Jan 2020

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We continue with Arc 19: Infrared as we finally get to know why Gilpatrick is so damn cool. We're discussing 19.4 and 19.b! Discussion Question Talk a...

We've Got WARD - Arc 19: Infrared (Part 1)

08 Jan 2020

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It's another supersized episode of We've Got WARD as we get into Arc 19 proper and cover 19.2, 19.a, and 19.3! Discussion Question Who is your favorit...

We've Got WARD - Arc 18: Radiation (Final)

02 Jan 2020

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Happy New Year! We're back to discuss a trio of chapters involving a trio of Titans. Chapters We conclude Arc 18: Radiation with 18.10 and 18.z and th...

We've Got WARD - Arc 18: Radiation (Part 4)

18 Dec 2019

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Arc 18 continues as the conflict shifts from giant god monsters to PUPPY THEFT! We're covering chapters 18.8 and 18.9.  Discussion Question What is W...

We've Got WARD - Arc 18: Radiation (Part 3)

11 Dec 2019

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We continue our examination of Arc 18 with chapters 18.6 and 18.7. The Arc, it burns. The googles, they do nothing! Discussion Question Tell us about ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 18: Radiation (Part 2)

04 Dec 2019

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Our coverage of Arc 18: Radiation continues with chapters 18.4 and 18.5! It's time for Smoke Lady and the Jump Bros (new band name) to do battle! Disc...

We've Got WARD - Arc 18: Radiation (Part 1)

27 Nov 2019

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We properly begin our coverage of Arc 18: Radiation with chapters 18.2 and 18.3. It's a couple chapters of touching and inappropriate fireside chats! ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 17: Sundown (Final)

20 Nov 2019

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We conclude Arc 17 with a clash of some titans in 17.z and then begin Arc 18: Radiation, which isn't ominous at all! Discussion Question What is your ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 17: Sundown (Part 6)

13 Nov 2019

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The Major Malfunctions prove why they function so...majorly well as we discuss chapters 17.x and 17.y. Check out the results of our second annual cost...

We've Got WARD - Arc 17: Sundown (Part 5)

07 Nov 2019

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In her most relatable move yet, Victoria tries to convince her dad to murder her sister. We're discussing chapters 17.9 and 17.10! Discussion Question...

We've Got WARD - Arc 17: Sundown (Part 4)

31 Oct 2019

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Happy Halloween! This week we discuss chapters 17.7 and 17.8! After washing all that sex off, Victoria heads back to the Warden's situation room where...

We've Got WARD - Arc 17: Sundown (Part 3)

23 Oct 2019

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This week we cover chapters 17.5 and 17.6.  Victoria desperately reaches out for connections, but they're all just slightly out of reach. Except for ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 17: Sundown (Part 2)

16 Oct 2019

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As we head into chapters 17.3 and 17.4 the theme of the arc, and indeed the entire book comes into focus.  Check out the rules for the 2nd annual cos...

We've Got WARD - Arc 17: Sundown (Part 1)

09 Oct 2019

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Let's wrap up this Amy interlude part 2 and then get the hell out of her head. This week we're finishing up Arc 16 with chapter 16.z and then beginnin...

We've Got WARD - Arc 16: From Within (Final)

02 Oct 2019

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It's a party in shard space and all your worst memories are invited! This week we're discussing From Within chapters 16.11, 16.12 and the long-awaited...

We've Got WARD - Mailbag #6

25 Sep 2019

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Scott is at Fantastic Fest this week, so we're taking a break from the chapters to answer all of your questions! We'll be back next week for the lates...

We've Got WARD - Arc 16: From Within (Part 5)

18 Sep 2019

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From Within the Mall cluster's dream room...comes a big scary handyman called Mr. Hugs. This can't be good. We're talking about Chapters 16.9 and 16.1...

We've Got WARD - Arc 16: From Within (Part 4)

11 Sep 2019

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Horrors continue to come From Within as we explore chapters 16.7 and 16.8. This one is rough.  It's time for our next Fan Art Contest! Check out the ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 16: From Within (Part 3)

04 Sep 2019

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From Within continues with 16.5 and 16.6! A few very intense conversation followed by some heartbreaking Heartbroken. Don't hurt the chicken.  It's t...

We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas: Ep. 7

01 Sep 2019

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Welcome to the seventh episode of the podcast We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas! Internal team drama! The #BrainBros come into conflict with their greates...

We've Got WARD - Arc 16: From Within (Part 2)

28 Aug 2019

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We continue to explore what comes From Within with our discussion of chapters 16.3 and 16.4. Victoria is bonding with her shard friend which is great ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 16: From Within (Part 1)

21 Aug 2019

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It's new arc week here at We've Got Ward as we cover the first two chapters of Arc 16: From Within! Victoria and Kenzie be sad about Ashley! DISCUSSIO...

We've Got WARD - Arc 15: Dying (Final)

14 Aug 2019

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This week arc 15 Dying concludes with the death of one of our favorite characters. Try not to cry. We did. We're covering chapters 15.y and 15.z!  DI...

We've Got WARD - Arc 15: Dying (Part 4)

07 Aug 2019

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This week we continue to wade through the Dying with chapters 15.8 and 15.x. Breakthrough chooses the hidden "Fuck you, you do it" option and we final...

We've Got WARD - Arc 15: Dying (Part 3)

31 Jul 2019

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Our coverage Dying continues with chapters 15.6 and 15.7, wherein Contessa returns to the story and brings all the trolleys with her.  DISCUSSION QUE...

We've Got WARD - Arc 15: Dying (Part 2)

25 Jul 2019

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This week we continue Arc 15: Dying with two new chapters: 15.4 and 15.5. Amidst all the dying, Victoria is forced to make a horrible choice and Oops...

We've Got WARD - Arc 15: Dying (Part 1)

18 Jul 2019

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This week, we are back from vacation and ready to begin dying. We're also starting Ward Arc 15: Dying. This episode covers chapters 15.a-15.3.  DISCU...

We've Got WARD - Arc 14: Breaking (Final)

03 Jul 2019

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This week, Arc 14 wraps up with a little bit of empathy and hope. We're talking about chapters 14.12 and 14.z DISCUSSION QUESTION Talk about how Parah...

We've Got WARD - Arc 14: Breaking (Part 5)

26 Jun 2019

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This week, Amy fucks up some more, Scott explains what a milkshake duck is and our heroes are suddenly super cool with giving knives to children. We'r...

We've Got WARD - Arc 14: Breaking (Part 4)

19 Jun 2019

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This week we've elected to temporarily rename the podcast to We Hate Amy. This week on We Hate Amy, we discuss chapters 14.8 and 14.9.  DISCUSSION QU...

We've Got WARD - Arc 14: Breaking (Part 3)

12 Jun 2019

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This week Scott and Matt take a very nuanced look at the Amy/Victoria situation...and then we yell at Amy a whole bunch. Balance. We're looking at cha...

We've Got WARD - Arc 14: Breaking (Part 2)

05 Jun 2019

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This week on National Lampoon's Shin Vacation, Victoria and Company team up with some old friends and have a wonderful family reunion. We're covering ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 14: Breaking (Part 1)

29 May 2019

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This week on the show, everyone is starting to crack under the pressure, especially Victoria. We're discussing chapters 14.2 and 14.3! DISCUSSION QUES...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Final)

22 May 2019

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This week on the show, it's time for the long-awaited Sveta interlude. Cauldron might be Tentacruel, but we're lucky that Sveta's friends are so Tenta...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Part 6)

15 May 2019

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This week Victoria has had enough of all of your bullshit. We're discussing chapters 13.10 and 13.11 DISCUSSION QUESTION Should Sveta go through with ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Part 5)

08 May 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, meet the new Cauldron, same as the old Cauldron. We're covering 13.x and 13.9! DISCUSSION QUESTION What moral quandary in...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Part 4)

01 May 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, its the breakup heard 'round the world as the long-awaited Weld-pot finally boils over. We're covering Chapters 13.7 and ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Part 3)

24 Apr 2019

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It's noir week on We've Got Ward as Private Dick Tattletale takes on Victoria's case of the fake diary. Chapters 13.5 and 13.6 see our two characters ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Part 2)

17 Apr 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward Arc 13 continues with 13.3 and 13.4. Jessica Yamada who reveals that everyone's been reading Victoria's secret diary and ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Part 2)

17 Apr 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward Arc 13 continues with 13.3 and 13.4. Jessica Yamada who reveals that everyone's been reading Victoria's secret diary and ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 13: Black (Part 1)

10 Apr 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward we begin Arc 13: Black! Three weeks have gone by and things are getting dark. Literally.  DISCUSSION QUESTION Discuss you...

We've Got WARD - Arc 12: Heavens (Final)

03 Apr 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, Dauntless has some connection issues and March comes to an end.  DISCUSSION QUESTION Mini-Mailbag Time! Ask your Ward-r...

About FACE - Arc 1: Sample (Part 1)

01 Apr 2019

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We're very excited to introduce our newest podcast: About Face, a chapter by chapter deep dive into Wildbow's Horror serial Face. This week, we cover...

We've Got WARD - Arc 12: Heavens (Part 6)

27 Mar 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward... KARMA TIME!!! The battle with Cradle reaches its climax in 12.8 and 12.9! DISCUSSION QUESTION Breakthrough is in bad sh...

We've Got WARD - Arc 12: Heavens (Part 5)

20 Mar 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward it's the long-awaited Cradle chapter followed by the long-awaited Victoria tells her mom to fuck off chapter. We're discu...

We've Got WARD - Arc 12: Heavens (Part 4)

14 Mar 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward Victoria executes Operation Bitch-Slap-Rain-Til-He-Wakes-Up and then uses the slightly enraged Cape to boil Cradle's egg i...

We've Got WARD - Arc 12: Heavens (Part 3)

08 Mar 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward Victoria's hatred of eggs comes back with a vengeance and then...it's shard time baby! We're covering chapters 12.4 and 1...

We've Got WARD - Arc 12: Heavens (Part 2)

27 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

This week on We've Got Ward, we're back in the dream room babyyyyy. We're discussing chapters 12.e and 12.3. Honestly, we mostly just discuss Love Los...

We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas: Ep. 6

25 Feb 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to the sixth episode of the podcast We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas! Conspiracies surround our players! The #BrainBros made ... moderately decent...

We've Got WARD - Arc 12: Heavens (Part 1)

21 Feb 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, we pretend that 12.z got stuck in a time bubble, so this is the first episode of arc 12: Heavens with our coverage of 12....

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Final)

13 Feb 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, Blinding comes to a close and we move into the first (or last?) chapter of Arc 12. I don't wanna talk about time travel s...

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Part 6)

06 Feb 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, Scott and Matt get really anxious and Aiden's face falls off. Its chapters 11.10 and 11.11!  DISCUSSION QUESTION What ar...

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Part 6)

06 Feb 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, Scott and Matt get really anxious and Aiden's face falls off. Its chapters 11.10 and 11.11!  DISCUSSION QUESTION What ar...

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Part 5)

30 Jan 2019

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This week on We've Got Ward, things are really falling to pieces. We're covering chapters 11.c and 11.9! DISCUSSION QUESTION What was the most horraw...

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Part 4)

23 Jan 2019

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I regret to inform you that we doubt this week's episode ends very well for our characters. It's 11.8 and 11.b! No doubt.  DISCUSSION QUESTION Doubt ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Part 3)

18 Jan 2019

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It's raining horrible tongue fetuses in this week's episode. We're covering chapters 11.6 and 11.7.  DISCUSSION QUESTION Choose an emotional-manipula...

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Part 2)

09 Jan 2019

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We're back in Blinding this week, covering chapters 11.a, 11.4, and 11.5. Weld, no.  DISCUSSION QUESTION What is the healthiest romantic Cape relatio...

We've Got WARD - Arc 11: Blinding (Part 1)

03 Jan 2019

Contributed by Lukas

Happy New Year! We're back and ready to start 2019 off strong. We're covering the first three chapters of Arc 11: Blinding in this week's episode. Vic...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Final)

20 Dec 2018

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This week we complete Arc 10 Polarize with chapters 10.y and 10.z. Chris gets stuck in a monstrous POV triangle and Aiden is stuck in the world's wors...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Part 7)

12 Dec 2018

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This week we discuss chapters 10.12 and 10.13 in which somebody asks out Victoria and somebody shoots Kenzie. Different people, presumably.  DISCUSSI...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Part 6)

05 Dec 2018

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This week we discuss chapters 10.10 and 10.11 in which THE WORST THING EVER HAPPENS. DISCUSSION QUESTION The world of Parahumans is a dark place and W...

We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas: Ep. 5

03 Dec 2018

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to the fifth episode of the podcast We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas! The players have thrown a curveball! Disillusioned with the betrayal by the ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Part 5)

28 Nov 2018

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This week, it's chapter 10.9 and 10.x! Breakthrough makes more deals with more devils and then we spend some time in one particular devil's head: Tatt...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Part 4)

21 Nov 2018

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This week we're covering chapters 10.7 and 10.8. The team spies on Love Loss and her fucked up family and Scott and Matt continue to have Sveta anxiet...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Part 3)

15 Nov 2018

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This week it's chapters 10.5 and 10.6. Tattletale is a jerk and Sveta ain't doing great.  DISCUSSION QUESTION Cluster triggers have been a pretty key...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Part 2)

07 Nov 2018

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Things are starting to get a little polarizing as we move into chapters 10.3 and 10.4. DISCUSSION QUESTION What are some reasonable limits that could ...

We've Got WARD - Arc 10: Polarize (Part 1)

31 Oct 2018

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It's new Arc time! Let's talk about the first two chapters of Arc 10: Polarize. DISCUSSION QUESTION What is your favorite heartwarming moment in Parah...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Final)

24 Oct 2018

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This week Gleaming finally comes to an end as we cover chapters 9.z and 9.Interlude DISCUSSION QUESTION Is it coherent to offer second chances if ther...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Part 7)

17 Oct 2018

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This week we're covering chapters 9.14 and 9.15. Team Breakthrough reunites, sort of. Kenzie gets a breakthrough of her own and then Goddess completel...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Part 6)

10 Oct 2018

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Happy Wardsday! (Haven't used that one in a while) We're back to cover MORE of Arc 6: Gleaming, which at this point I'm just assuming never ends. This...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Part 5)

03 Oct 2018

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After our week off in which Scott watched many movies we are back to cover Arc 9: Chapters 9.9, 9.y, 9.10, and 9.11! DISCUSSION QUESTION Self-identity...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Part 4)

19 Sep 2018

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We're back with what is probably the longest episode of the podcast so far, but possibly the best. This week we are discussing chapters 9.7, 9.x, and...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Part 3)

12 Sep 2018

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Arc 9 is heating up! This week we discuss chapters 9.5 and 9.6. Victoria, Byron, and the Malfunctions battle some Teacher thralls and then learn how s...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Part 2)

05 Sep 2018

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This week Arc 9 continues with chapters 9.3 and 9.4. Team Breakthrough gets mind controlled, but Victoria yells at Amy anyway. Then: finally a chance ...

We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas: Ep. 4

03 Sep 2018

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Welcome to the fourth episode of the podcast We've Got Weaverdice - Vegas! Things are coming to a head! Rusty and Snake Eyes have planned out their re...

We've Got WARD - Arc 9: Gleaming (Part 1)

31 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

This week we begin Arc 9: Gleaming with chapters 9.1 and 9.2. Victoria finally reveals the wretch to her team and then goes to have a fun talk with Am...

We've Got WARD - Arc 8: Beacon (Final)

22 Aug 2018

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This week, we wrap up Arc 8 Beacon by covering the two interlude chapters: 8.x and 8.y. Natalie finally gets her big moment and Scapegoat remains a je...

We've Got WARD - Arc 8: Beacon (Part 4)

15 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

It's showtime this week as we cover chapters 8.11 and 8.12. Breakthrough appears on the hit cable news show Hard Boil and it goes about as well as you...

We've Got WARD - Arc 8: Beacon (Part 3)

08 Aug 2018

Contributed by Lukas

This week, We've Got Ward finally returns with Arc 8: Beacon, covering chapters 8.7 through 8.10. Victoria judges everyone's fashion as her organizati...