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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
the Chief Executive of the Saints is Carl Delina. Carl, good to have you on the program. Welcome.
Yeah, thanks, Gerard. Great to have a chat.
When did you become aware of events between Ross Lyon and his Indigenous players?
Last night, I think just before Caro was going to air with it.
Chapter 2: What recent events involving Lance Collard are discussed?
I think at least she'd done the courtesy and called Ross and given him a heads up and gave him a chance to give his version of events, uh, which was good, but yeah, no, I had no line of sight of it before then.
How could you not have been in that loop as the chief executive and an issue that's could have by the coach's own admission threatened his career, his, uh, position in the job?
Well, I don't think the, you know, the good thing and seeing the way it all panned out was, you know, it was a pretty innocent oversight by, by Ross and not meeting any, um, any harm. And, But it shows that he's running a pretty safe environment with our First Nations boys where they were comfortable to raise it with him and discuss it and just sort it out harmoniously.
So I think they just sorted it out between themselves like any mishap. And it was a positive outcome. So I don't think, even though Ross said he was very emotional about it because the last thing he wants to do is upset our First Nations players, who he's very close with, it's one of those things, you know, a matter in the workplace that got resolved and didn't need to be elevated beyond that.
Should it have been on the chief executive's desk?
Well, I think if it wasn't resolved, yes. But, you know, there's a lot of things that go on in a workplace and people have disagreements, but they'll sort them out. And so not everything, you know, raises to the surface.
have you spoken to Ross or the players involved from last night or this morning?
Uh, not as yet. I was speaking more with Lenny Hayes, our head of football about it. Um, um, and he's, he's across all of that. So, um, I think, um, uh, I think everyone's pretty comfortable with where it's landed. Um, the players obviously love Ross and I think came out in support of him, um, So I don't think that they're holding any concerns about the issue.
Did the comment constitute casual racism, Carl, in your opinion?
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Chapter 3: How did Carl Dilena respond to the situation with Ross Lyon and Indigenous players?
are you duty bound to ask your Indigenous players whether they are completely satisfied with where this sits?
Yeah, I think we'll close the loop on all of that. But as I said, because it It's been floating around. Yeah, it is like a month ago or so that, you know, nothing's evolved out of it since. I'd be very surprised if there's any concerns, but yeah, we'll certainly just close the loop on all of that.
Is there anything to learn as an organisation from it, Carl, that you'll need to implement as a result?
Well, I think there's a lot of education we do around, you know, cultural awareness, but I think there's... There's two things here, two really good learnings, I think, for us as a club that we can build on.
One is it's, you know, casual racism is, and for someone who's so attuned to the First Nations player like Ross, for him to slip up in that way tells us something that, you know, you have to be very considerate and conscious of the impact of words. That's one. Secondly, I love the process that the guys went through.
you know, with Hilly, raising it with Ross so that they could have a discussion and, you know, have conciliation where they could work through and explain to Ross how it impacted them and make Ross aware of it. And that's what you want when these sorts of matters come up. It's like a mini peak process, if you like, that you get the parties together, educate
people on what it means and resolve your differences and everyone walks away happy.
In the future, would you expect to be brought into the loop if something like this were to happen again?
Well, if it's of a serious nature, which is ongoing and can't be resolved, you would certainly be involved in that. And there are various instances that happen with staff and employees and all sorts of things that happen in an organisation. in some cases you're brought into the loop. But it's usually if it just can't be resolved quickly.
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