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Messi ends GOAT debate... & Socceroos Preview | Across the Divide! (23.06.26)

23 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: How did Messi's World Cup performance spark the GOAT debate?

0.031 - 20.112 Gerard Whateley

We've had that debate on the program. A bit of a buy-in from a listener today. Obviously, in light of Messi doing what he did this morning, another double brace of goals there. Yes, he missed a penalty. He's now missed more penalties than anyone else in the history of the World Cup. He's missed three of seven. Not counting penalty shootouts, but three of seven on the spot. Any thoughts there?

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20.333 - 22.795 Gerard Whateley

I buy my coffee up the road.

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Chapter 2: What are the implications of Messi's missed penalties in the World Cup?

23.176 - 49.681 Gerard Whateley

First thing I'm asked... Pele's still better than Messi, I was told, as I bought my coffee this morning. Then Ronaldo, Maradona. What's the pecking order? What's the power rankings? Has Messi actually, via this World Cup, Does he sit at the top of the mountain? I think he puts Maradona and Ronaldo in his wake now. So I think Pele is your reference point for Messi.

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51.143 - 73.077 Gerard Whateley

And everyone else is there in a lovely duel for the third step on the podium. And then it's probably... There's a difference between recency bias and nostalgia bias as to which way you go. Did you need this World Cup to reach that decision with Lionel Messi? You know, it adds to it, doesn't it? My word does. Two games, five goals. Another World Cup.

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73.698 - 90.744 Gerard Whateley

What if he gets to eight goals in the tournament? That would be outrageous. What if he's the only goal scorer for them all the way through? Wouldn't that be amazing? Wouldn't that be amazing? It's just Lionel Messi, 15, teammates nil. Something like that. That's it's pretty awesome. This has been a, a power packed start to the tournament.

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90.764 - 110.192 Gerard Whateley

So it's a long tournament, which needed to get going from the start. And I think it has the star power, bit of the Mino nation interest, because it's going to take a while to get going. I think that group of 32, 32 stage is going to be a bit of a, come on, let's get on with it. So it needed a great start.

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Chapter 3: How does Messi compare to other football legends like Pele and Maradona?

110.553 - 126.249 Gerard Whateley

Their energy around it's enormous. How much second-guessing have you guys done on the Popovich strategy against the U.S.? I hated losing that game. Yeah, we've given thumbs down. That sucked. I go, yes, well put. Beautifully put. We lean on people like Mark Bosnich. And if Bosnich said they got it wrong, they got it wrong for mine.

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126.369 - 148.68 Gerard Whateley

And whether they'd scored goals or not in the first game, but the fact is they did score goals. Yeah. And we were 2-0 down before we've made the changes. Where will you be at midday on Friday? SEN coverage, of course. Simon Hill in the chair. But midday, do you cancel all engagements? Do you make out as if you're at a meeting, but you're actually at the pub? I had to check my flight.

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148.7 - 161.76 Gerard Whateley

I'm coming back from Brisbane. So I just wanted to make sure I was back. I'm back in time. So I'll get home to the couch with SEN sync and be undisturbable for those two hours. Yeah. What's your advice to school principals? I mean, how do you handle that situation?

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Chapter 4: Did the World Cup change perceptions of Messi's legacy?

161.78 - 178.623 Gerard Whateley

Yeah, set the library up. Yeah, my boys at college, it's all boys. The pressure's on. It's the last day of term, you know. But if you let them watch at midday, they're not getting anything done after the game either. There's nothing to be done on the last day of term. So that's it? Yeah. It's green light from Gerrit.

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178.924 - 201.891 Gerard Whateley

I think the Commonwealth Games in Brisbane, we were all gathered in the library to watch Deke run in the marathon. Oh, yeah. And then we had a great teacher in year six who would put the first test, the first day of the first test of the summer on the radio while we worked away. Like this is part of growing up. It's a moment of national significance. It comes on the last day of term.

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201.911 - 221.662 Gerard Whateley

It's perfect. Like every school should be doing this for the kids. That's beautiful. For the kids. Beautifully put. Gerard, I wagged school for the first day of World Series cricket. Outstanding. I wagged school. Was it Waverley? Was it not? The very first game. I wagged school to watch the first day of World Series cricket. There you go. Make that admission right now.

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222.083 - 229.5 Gerard Whateley

The first time my 96-year-old mother's ever heard that. How'd you get away with that? She was working. I wagged school. Watched the first day of World Series cricket.

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