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Michael Voss Resigns | The Leadership Portfolio with Luke Hodge (12.05.26)

12 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the initial reactions to Michael Voss's resignation?

0.031 - 4.899 Gerard Whateley

Our leadership portfolio takes on additional gravitas today with Luke Hodge in the studio.

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4.919 - 17.078 Luke Hodge

Hello to you, Hodgie. Morning, Gerard. The old discussion, we need to have the chat. That's not great, but I think it was clear the writing's been on the wall for a while. I think Ken said it, am I in your plans? Am I in your future plans?

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17.058 - 37.577 Luke Hodge

If you look back what's happened over the last six to nine months, they trade away their best player, equal best player with Cripps, to Sydney for future picks and a few role players. So they're shoring up the future of the football club, which doesn't play well for Vossie. And even then, when you hear about righty, there's... questioned McRae if he was available or interested to come across.

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38.158 - 56.11 Luke Hodge

I think the writing's pretty clear there. So even though you walk away saying, geez, they look pretty convincing in the second half, it's been a tale that's happened too many times this season. And the decision's right. There's no point continuing on for the rest of the season and more gossip going on. Vossi's held himself as well as you possibly could.

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56.09 - 59.173 Luke Hodge

over the first 10, 9, 10 rounds of the season.

Chapter 2: How has Carlton's recent performance affected Voss's position?

59.193 - 75.711 Luke Hodge

But I guess for the Carlton Footy Club, their next decision is who's going to be the right person for us. And when you've got blokes like Horse, Buckley, Ken Hinkley all getting spoken about in a line with Tassie, and then they've got Simmo who's sitting inside the football club, so he's got a clear understanding of he'll be able to turn things around.

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76.131 - 81.276 Luke Hodge

They had to make a decision now so they're not rushed and get beaten by Tassie for who can take one of those guys.

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82.482 - 111.24 Gerard Whateley

The fatal flaw in the Carlton make-up, and it hasn't been a 10-week thing, is their incapacity to be able to stop momentum, to stop sequences of goals, and it has become more graphic this year, but it has been a marker of their decline. And ultimately, whether that's attitudinal or spiritual, there has to be a tactical element to it, and that does get sheeted home to the coach.

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111.22 - 128.92 Luke Hodge

Yeah, well, I think that's – if you look at the teams that have done well in big games, when things have gone for them or against them, being able to make a few tweaks from coaches or senior players, it's not just one or the other. It's both as a collective who can change things in games to slow down momentum. You look at what Brisbane Lions do.

128.94 - 145.804 Luke Hodge

They either go into a ball movement where they just shut it down. They still move the ball, but it's a composed manner, and everyone on that football field knows exactly what they have to do. If you look at the Cats, they'll free up Tommy Stewart, a leader in the back line, to be able to control and understand. As soon as you see Tommy by himself down back, they know, let's just slow things down.

146.965 - 167.114 Luke Hodge

You watch Carlton week in, week out, and you struggle to see a change, a structure, even a mindset from the players to be able to... understand the trends on when to just go slow. Their game style doesn't seem to change a hell of a lot. And what it did take on the weekend was a coach at halftime to absolutely rip them from to get a response. And this is round nine.

169.056 - 184.514 Luke Hodge

You can't leave a coach to have to do that every time for you to get a response. So, look, they've got now – and what you'll see, and this is what frustrates, I guess, supporters is what you're going to see over the next few weeks is more than likely – Players go out and feel the shackles have been released and they're going to go and take risks. They're going to switch the ball.

184.534 - 207.094 Luke Hodge

They're going to open up. Everything that you've been asking Carlton to do since their prelim in 2023, you'll finally see that. But too little, too late for Vossian. It's a tease for the next coach coming through of what they can have. The next big question there for it is, talking about leaders, is who stays and who goes? So you look at the change that King made when he came into Melbourne.

Chapter 3: What challenges does the Carlton Football Club face moving forward?

248.752 - 270.81 Luke Hodge

Yes, I would have strong conversations with a few of the senior players and saying, where do you see yourself? And we saw it with Hewitt. You might have to go back and play seconds if you're not in the team or you can't fulfil what we need. And the hardest conversation here is to Kripa because he's been the heart and soul of the football club for such a long period of time. But

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Chapter 4: Who are potential candidates for the next Carlton coach?

270.79 - 286.971 Luke Hodge

You've got to understand it is a business. And the new coach coming in, you can see what happens. The media is relentless. If you're not living up to their expectations, then they'll come hard for you. So the new coach has to have that in mind. And he's got to make the best decision for the future of the Carlton Football Club.

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287.571 - 303.447 Luke Hodge

And that may mean burning a couple of bridges or having a few tough conversations with some players that have been so, so good for you over a long period of time. Is it a good job? Do you mean getting the Carlton football? Yeah.

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303.948 - 307.032 Gerard Whateley

I've got a list of coaches who will tell you it's not a good job to take.

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307.052 - 327.567 Luke Hodge

Well, I think the hardest thing is I've always believed throughout my career at the AFL, stability off field creates stability on field. And I've said that time and time again over the years. The times where the Hawthorne Football Club have been stable is when they've had a stable board and it flows all the way through because everyone can keep an eye on their own role. Know your role. and do it.

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327.848 - 341.013 Luke Hodge

As soon as there's a bit of instability, a few murmurs, people not trusting each other, that filters the whole way through. So, and what we've seen at Carlton, obviously with the board clashes, is it hasn't been a stable environment off field.

Chapter 5: What are the critical factors in Carlton's decline?

341.234 - 346.143 Luke Hodge

Too many people have had a say at that football club when they haven't been in the right role to have a say.

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347.723 - 364.77 Luke Hodge

Graeme Wright's come across and clearly Wrighty's there to make a few moves. So he did it at Collingwood and they got a premiership a couple of years later when obviously moved on Buckley and got McRae. This is another chance for Graeme Wright to try and, I guess, get a bit of stability with that football club, something they have not had for a number of years.

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364.75 - 373.944 Gerard Whateley

You – one of the triggers from the press conference the other night, Prit Jhuri is having heard Vossi and then what was likely to happen next.

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374.205 - 391.492 Luke Hodge

Yeah. When he said – because someone questioned him about the future of him and he goes, I'm not coaching for myself. And the quote he said was, by the time I leave here, we've got to have winning behaviours and that – It's clearly that they all understand what that is. And then he obviously steps down a couple of days later.

391.512 - 407.059 Luke Hodge

So there's no doubt there was conversations and he's probably gone back and had, is there any future with it? Because the football they played in that third quarter, I'm like, well, how do they score their goals? I went and looked at them. They had a contest in the fourth half. So Brisbane Lions are known for intercept marking and transition on the ball.

407.039 - 423.765 Luke Hodge

They had a fight in the forward half to bring it to ground. They put them under pressure. They turned the ball over and they were able to score. That's a good style of football when you're coming up against the reigning premiers. So clearly they've sort of sat back and gone, well, we did look the okay. But once the writing's on the wall, it's part ways. I think they've done the right thing.

424.218 - 441.282 Luke Hodge

But for the coach who's coming in, there's going to be a lot of tough decisions that they're going to have to make at that football club to change the trend. What if they had seven coaches in 20 years? Change the trend. It might mean there's a few unhappy supporters, a few unhappy players. But time heals wounds if it's the right decisions to make.

441.481 - 448.292 Gerard Whateley

What do you think the senior players are feeling today, having lived through it numerous times now from Patrick Cripps down?

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