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The Debate - Collingwood's list | The Means Test with Adam Simpson! (22.06.26)

22 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What are the key challenges in Collingwood's list management?

2.596 - 21 Gerard Whateley

Whiteley on SEN. It's probably over-examined. I don't recall any other list in the competition that's been examined as much as ours and judged. But again, we get clicks. So it creates storytelling, opinions. It's an interesting narrative around where we're at. We're working towards being the best version of us.

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21.281 - 37.819 Gerard Whateley

I don't look at the age demographic of our team tonight, but there's a lot of different players that haven't played together. Chemistry is important. Yeah, it's hard to describe it, but there's a lot to talk about, isn't there? It's Craig McRae. So they're an eternal debate, Collingwood. That's part of being Collingwood.

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37.839 - 45.927 Adam Simpson

It is, but they've got a different profile. So the obvious reason why we're talking about it is they're bucking the trend, which is intriguing.

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Chapter 2: How is team chemistry impacting Collingwood's performance?

45.987 - 65.526 Adam Simpson

I love it. Like I said before, we don't all want to be the same, but what do they look like in two years? And if it's just, no, we're just going to get Locky Neal, then we're going to get King, and then we're going to get – Whoever it is, Harley Reid, we'll just keep building that way. I like the fact they're doing something different. So if it works, you're a genius. If you don't.

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65.658 - 80.092 Adam Simpson

Ricky Bobby, you know, the first year last, I don't mind it. Um, so yeah. And then the intrigue around the most supported club, um, you know, in Australia almost. So that, that would be, um, the other part of it, but yeah, there's, there's reasons for it, isn't there?

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80.172 - 96.048 Gerard Whateley

There definitely is. And what, what are they going to do and how are they going to do it? So if you add two, like their dream world, add two established pieces and get two good draft picks. So you can't trade to get your pieces, but there's enough free agents in the market.

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Chapter 3: What unique strategies is Collingwood using in their list build?

96.068 - 122.589 Gerard Whateley

And if you use your heft as Collingwood and then get two really good draft picks in the door. Where I think they're right, they shouldn't be giving up on their list. The idea of giving up and going to the bottom, no, leave me out of that. So you have to be really strategic around that. Who are your young players who could still make it? The biggest question, can Ed Allen still make it? Yeah.

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122.609 - 142.13 Gerard Whateley

Unanswerable at the moment. Has looked like no, but still might tip to be yes. Well, let's be honest here. Are they going to be A graders? So if you hit with an A grader with your first draft pick- and you hit with a short-term A grader as your free agent, then he doesn't need to be an A grader.

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142.15 - 145.133 Adam Simpson

He just needs to be a B grader. I don't know.

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Chapter 4: How do free agency and draft picks play a role in Collingwood's future?

145.153 - 166.162 Adam Simpson

I look at Fremantle. They've got seven A graders. So what's one going to do? The list build, they should be studied, Fremantle, what they've done. It's taken them a while. So Justin's first year was COVID year, so that's 2020. So you don't just fall into it. They haven't done it through father-sons or academies.

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166.182 - 186.448 Adam Simpson

They've just done it through hard work and the natural way of doing things in always a compromised draft. So, yeah, if that's what Collingwood think they need is just a 1A grader and get some of these kids who I can't see. I don't look at them deep enough, Gerard, but I'm... I'm looking at Dacos brothers and then there's not a lot of young Jesus kids, you know, he's scratching around.

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186.469 - 195.792 Adam Simpson

We're going to get him to tag a little bit and learn how to win the ball. And eventually he's going to come through and be this shining light. That's, that's not, I can't say that with those kids, but maybe you're right.

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Chapter 5: What lessons can be learned from Fremantle's list building approach?

195.832 - 215.655 Adam Simpson

Maybe they just need a couple of, Number one, A grade players around them and hit the draft and you got to snag that draft. You got to get in the top five to get the almost guaranteed A grader. So recruiting is going to be important, even if, you know, it's the future stuff and the pro scout, but the kid, they got to get an A grade kid, don't they?

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215.775 - 216.416 Gerard Whateley

Yes.

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216.436 - 216.756 Adam Simpson

Yeah.

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216.776 - 221.381 Gerard Whateley

To sit alongside Nick Dacos. You can get the A grade veteran, but you've got to get an A grade kid.

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221.501 - 238.58 Adam Simpson

He's coaching well. He's coaching well. So he'd take out the list management stuff, which, you know, uh, As a coach, I wasn't really deeply involved with this. Like, give me these type of players, go do your work. Whereas the way he's coaching and I heard Carr on the weekend talk a lot about our entries were poor.

238.961 - 246.289 Adam Simpson

If you have a shallow entry against the Giants, against Sydney and against Collingwood, they're going to slice you through the corridor.

Chapter 6: How important is recruiting for Collingwood's success?

246.329 - 260.628 Adam Simpson

And that's what they used to do, the pies. So there's a way to beat the teams that take you on through the corridor on handball meters game. It's get it in as deep as you can. And sometimes take your time so we can really defend behind these deep entries. And the Port didn't do that.

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Chapter 7: What are the tactical changes needed for Collingwood to improve?

260.709 - 269.663 Adam Simpson

They tried to center it a bit too early, turned over 60 out, and they just invited the slingshot return, which was really good coaching from Collingwood's point of view.

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