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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hi everyone. Welcome to What's Up Docs. I'm Dr Chris. I'm Dr Zand. We are so excited to be here at the Hay Festival recording Radio 4's Health and Wellbeing podcast. Thank you all so much for coming. First of all, are you looking after yourselves? A little hesitancy there. That's good.
Chapter 2: How do life expectancy and healthy life expectancy differ?
I'd say at least half the room. Are you looking after each other? Well, a bit more confidence there, which is nice to hear. Which is nice to hear. And that's really what we're asking today. Which is more important for your longevity and for your well-being, looking after yourself or being looked after? That is the dilemma that we're wrestling with today.
And people have been interested in this dilemma for a long time, Zandi, particularly in the concept of longevity, haven't they? That's right, Chris. So if we were recording this episode at the first ever Hay-on-Wye Literary Festival... 1983. 3,000 years ago... Top of the charts would be the Epic of Gilgamesh, the oldest known major work of literature.
King Gilgamesh of Uruk, he's obsessed with cheating death. And is he still around? Spoiler alert, he does not succeed in his quest.
Chapter 3: What factors contribute to healthy aging?
But, as the Hay Festival reminds us, if you write a good enough book... You live forever. OK, Zandi, but what has been a common concept across this discussion, across cultures for a very long time, is the idea that there is something out there external to ourselves that can confer on us a longer, better life. I think we're all familiar with this, Chris.
I guess the Holy Grail would be a great example. It's part buried in Christian stories, part of it's Arthurian legend. So there's these old ideas, but we see these vampire headlines now. There's this much more contemporary idea, Silicon Valley billionaires injecting themselves with the blood of the young to rejuvenate.
So this is a familiar idea, but in fact, if we go back, Chris, to 1492, Pope Innocent VIII, aged 60, his doctors hired three young boys, drained out their blood for the pontiff's benefit. So the story goes. It's a difficult story to confirm, but the measures failed. The pope died, as did all the boys. It's an unusual operation that has a 400% mortality rate. But what about hormone supplements?
Because this feels like the most modern idea that we are all aggressively confronted with.
Chapter 4: How does society influence individual health choices?
This idea is not new. It goes back at least to 1889. Brown Saccard, the great French physician, starts grinding up guinea pig and dog testicles and injecting extracts of them under his skin. And he reports that he gets stronger, his bowels improve, his brain fog clears, and he urges other physicians to try it And they do try it and they kill a lot of people.
So whether you're seeing strange practices on social media and that's where you're getting your longevity conversation or whether you're reading headlines in serious newspapers talking about it or scientific journals, it's been a conversation for 3,000 years and it surrounds us more than ever. How many people here are doing something to work on their longevity?
Are there people here who are sort of aiming to live a bit longer or would like to live a little bit longer? OK, that's great. So that's getting a few nods. So we do have an interest in living beyond what we might call our life expectancies.
But there was an interesting headline in The Guardian very recently, which said that at least 80% of the responsibility for ill health in old age is down to the individual. So people who are trying to live longer may well be doing the right thing, according to this headline. And that idea to me seems potentially really exciting and really empowering that we could take charge of our health.
And perhaps that's what we should be doing in this tent today is setting you up to kind of grapple with your longevity.
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Chapter 5: What role does personal responsibility play in health?
A little bit of advice. It would be a great thing to do on the radio. Who can argue with that? I can argue with that. So I'm going to quote directly from the report that that headline referenced. It talked about these pillars of living well. It talked about what we eat. The air we breathe, the water we drink, above all stress and smoking.
Zand, we don't choose the air we breathe, the water we drink. How can these things be our responsibility? That's a reasonable point, isn't it? But the headline said 80% of our ill health in old age. It didn't say 100%. So sure, maybe it's hard to change the air you breathe or the water that you drink, but you could do all kinds of things to improve your health, couldn't you?
So I think this tension is at the heart of what we're talking about today.
Chapter 6: How do environmental factors affect our health?
The sense that I do have some free will, but I feel a pressure that I should and can take responsibility for my health. And I'm told this all the time. There are many companies who want to sell me apps and subscriptions and supplements and wearable tech.
But Zand, in spite of this deluge of information, all the available tech, our life expectancy is shrinking and our health span is also shrinking. So in the last decade, our years of healthy life have shrunk significantly. by two full years to 60 years, so five years below the age of retirement in this country when you get a state pension. So all of this isn't working.
We live for a quarter of our life in the UK with chronic disease. So this is where Chris and I are beginning this episode. is this dilemma about going, should we be sending you home with a shopping list of things to do that you can do to make yourselves feel better and live longer?
Or do we send you home with things that you should try and demand of your politicians and the corporations that shape your health environment? This is a complex topic. It is a complex topic. And I will say... I think it may, for many of us, get quite emotional.
Chapter 7: What lessons can we learn from blue zones around the world?
I think when I think about my health struggles, a lot of it is about self-loathing and about guilt and about recriminations. So I think we will have to wrestle with this. This, Zand, is the argument, the dilemma, that I think runs through every single episode of What's Up Docs. And we are thrilled to be joined by an incredible expert who's going to help us wrestle with it.
We have Professor Devi Sridhar. She is Chair of Global Public Health at the University of Edinburgh. She's written a pile of books, including her latest, How Not to Die Too Soon. She is a world expert on public and global health. I am very excited. Please welcome Devi to the stage. Devi, it's wonderful to have you here. Hello. Hi.
Hi.
Your work in public health has reached a huge number of people, but you have a personal connection to public health as well, don't you?
Chapter 8: How can we create healthier communities for better longevity?
Yes. So I got into public health quite young and that when I was a teenager, my dad was quite sick. So a lot of my teenage years in high school, when other people were at parties or kind of having sports clubs, I was going back and forth to the hospital, seeing chemo, becoming really frustrated with life.
Why we could put men on the moon, you know, Wi-Fi was coming, FaceTime was on its way, but we couldn't say, do something as basic as cell reproduction and stopping it. And then I started digging deeper and I was like, well, actually, we have so many preventable deaths from things that we know how to stop.
Unclean water in different parts of the world, kids not having enough food or the wrong types of food. And so I kind of got into public health as that because what I really realized is that you think you have a lot of problems until you get sick and then you have one problem.
Zahnd and I were just talking about this headline from The Guardian, it was reported in other papers too, that at least 80% of responsibility for ill health in old age is down to the individual. How do you negotiate this balance between the responsibility we have for our health and blaming people for their health?
Well, I think what's interesting is it's a really easy way to go down because you can just say, why don't you eat better? And why don't you go to the gym and do strength training? And actually, if you look in other countries, like why are you breathing dirty air in India and you've damaged your lungs?
But actually, when you look at population health studies on my day job, you know, I'm a professor of public health and teach that. What you actually realize is there are patterns, right? There's a reason that when you go to Scotland, you can map childhood obesity alongside different postcodes and those postcodes correspond to house prices, right?
There's a reason you can look at different countries and see that actually GDP per capita links to certain things like air quality and stuff like that.
And so I guess it's easy to say it, but when you go deeper, it's much more linked to the circumstances that you're in, the policies that your government follows, and kind of your luck of living in a certain community or in a certain neighborhood or in a certain place in the world.
So we want to drill into a few of these things in more detail. Can you start by just giving a sense of the big things that affect our health?
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