Joy Harjo thinks writing can heal regret
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Who is Joy Harjo and what is her background?
Every poet has their themes, and I realize mine is transformation, what happens in those transformative spaces.
Joy Harjo is one of the most revered poets in the United States, and there are all kinds of reasons why that didn't have to happen. She actually studied pre-med in college. But as if to hedge her bets on that particular career choice, she began taking creative writing classes. And in the end, the arts won out. Stability be damned. Joy grew up in Oklahoma as part of the Muscogee Creek Nation. But her stepfather forced Joy to suppress her creativity. She wasn't even allowed to sing in the house. That creative spirit could have died inside her. But when she was finally out on her own, she realized that making music and telling stories and writing poetry wasn't just something she wanted to do. It was something she had to do.
Since then, she's used her writing to capture the diverse experiences of Native people in this country. And in 2019, she was named the first Native American U.S. Poet Laureate. And this spring, she's releasing a new version of her book, For a Girl Becoming. Joy Harjo, welcome to Wildcard. Hi. I'm glad I could be here. I'm so glad you could be here, too.
Thank you so much for being game to do this. It's intriguing, and so that interests me. All right. Let's go.
First round. Memories. One, two, or three. Oh, you're already feeling something for the middle. You're already feeling it. Okay. Where would you go when you needed to escape as a teenager?
As a kid, I would escape into the closet, as a little kid. And my drawings, they're probably still in that closet or outside. I would go out at times when everyone was asleep or the world was quiet. And I still like that. That's where I find things. That's where I find images and sounds and fresh ideas. That's how I discover, I guess you could say, a kind of peacefulness. But also a kind of depth that isn't always present when you're in the realm of chatter.
Yeah. Is there something in particular that you felt that you needed to get away from when you were an adolescent? Or was it just adolescence?
What childhood experiences shaped Joy Harjo's creativity?
Yeah, I needed to get away from adolescence. I know I always feel for those kids when I've gone in and talked to them and vibed with them because, you know, I still understand that period, which is a time of, I think of adolescence as being like a chrysalis moment. Like here you've got the caterpillar and eating leaves and experiencing the world as a caterpillar, and then they build this chrysalis. And the chrysalis is where they essentially liquefy and then reform. So it's a time of chaotic form of, you know, I was this, but I'm going to be something else. And I would imagine in that chrysalis period, the known parameters have fallen away to some extent, to some extent. And then the butterfly emerges.
And that's how I think of adolescence, is being in that chrysalis stage. But in that stage is a lot of innate power, any time of transformation, whether it's a transformation of a country, a transformation of a human being or of a butterfly, a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. There's a lot of power, creative power in that. But I'm fixated on that closet for some reason.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
Who is Joy Harjo and what is her background?
1:08–3:35
2
What childhood experiences shaped Joy Harjo's creativity?
3:35–5:54
3
How did Joy Harjo’s adolescence influence her artistic journey?
5:54–9:06
4
What role did the Institute of American Indian Arts play in Joy Harjo’s life?
9:06–13:32
5
How does Joy Harjo describe her book, For a Girl Becoming?
13:32–14:30
6
What themes of transformation and healing are explored in Joy Harjo’s poetry?
14:30–15:08
7
How does Joy Harjo use poetry to process trauma and regret?
15:08–37:43