Rachel Martin

Just a heads up, this episode does have some strong language.

Do you think people can really change?

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation.

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life, questions pulled from a deck of cards.

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me.

My guest this week is Jonathan Goldstein.

Jonathan Goldstein believes in closure, which is what his massively popular podcast Heavyweight is all about.

Helping people move on from some kind of unfinished business in their lives.

Maybe that's helping someone make amends or to say thank you to a stranger or

or to help a person turn a page on a traumatic experience.

And yes, the word heavy is in the title, but it doesn't feel that way, in large part because Jonathan is very funny.

And he's also got this lightness about him.

He's the kind of guide who makes it clear no matter what happens around the next bend, he'll be there rooting you on.

I am so very happy to welcome Jonathan Goldstein to Wildcard.

Hi!

I don't believe you.

I'm going to hold up three cards.

You pick randomly, one, two, or three.

First three cards.

First three cards.