A.M. Edition for April 11. Beijing unveils another round of trade countermeasures against Washington, saying its latest duties on U.S. products will make them no longer marketable in the country. Rathbones’ Ed Smith joins us to discuss how investors can prepare for the road ahead after a volatile week for markets. Plus, the WSJ’s Benoit Faucon previews high-stakes U.S.-Iran nuclear talks. And the Supreme Court orders the return of a man mistakenly deported to El Salvador. Luke Vargas hosts. Sign up for the WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter. Correction: The White House on Thursday said U.S. tariffs on China add up to 145%. An earlier version of this podcast incorrectly referenced 150% tariffs on China. (Corrected on April 11) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are China's new tariffs on U.S. goods?
Yet more trade countermeasures as China ups its tariffs on U.S. goods to 125%. We'll look at how investors can prepare for the road ahead after a volatile week in markets.
Boardrooms are dumbstruck by what's just happened and they yearn for clarity. This reprieve doesn't really give that much clarity. So I think business investment spending and hiring is going to be on ice.
Plus, the rest of the day's news as the U.S. and Iran prepare for nuclear talks and the Supreme Court orders the return of a man mistakenly deported to El Salvador. It's Friday, April 11th. I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal, and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.
Chapter 2: How are global markets reacting to trade tensions?
Global markets are on pace to end the week on a rocky note as trade tensions continue to weigh on the economic outlook. This morning, China announced it would raise its retaliatory tariff on U.S. goods to 125 percent effective tomorrow. matching the latest duty imposed by the White House. Beijing signaled it's now done matching each U.S.
tariff increase, saying American imports are no longer marketable under current levels. Speaking at a meeting with Spain's prime minister in Beijing, Chinese leader Xi Jinping said today there'd be no winners in a tariff war, but added he was not afraid of the fight to come.
Meanwhile, the Trump administration has kicked off a high-speed effort to negotiate ad hoc deals with more than 70 countries hoping to escape higher tariffs. A push that's playing out as lawmakers on Capitol Hill are eager to see deals reached that can avoid this week's tariff-induced stock sell-off.
People with knowledge of the discussion say many of the offers from countries to negotiate with the White House are just preliminary calls and not fleshed-out economic proposals. Markets in Japan and South Korea have ended the day in the red. European indexes are falling in morning trading. U.S. futures are pointing to a lower open, while gold has soared to an all-time high.
And in the latest test for markets, a number of U.S. financial institutions are set to report first-quarter earnings this morning, including JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, and Morgan Stanley. The U.S. and Iran are scheduled to meet tomorrow for high-stakes nuclear talks in Oman.
I asked the journal's Benoit Faucon, who's in Oman, what to expect as Trump's special envoy for Middle East issues, Steve Witkoff, and Iran's foreign minister prepare to meet face-to-face.
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Chapter 3: What are the key points of the U.S.-Iran nuclear talks?
The Iranian wants to be back to the 2015 nuclear pact, which is curbing the enrichment of their civilian program and get sanctioned relief in exchange. The U.S. has a bigger view. They minimum wants no nuclear weapon and they'd like to discuss the ballistic program. There's been initial statements from the U.S. saying that they wanted even the civilian program to be dismantled.
We're basically on a chess game and the end game is quite open-ended.
Benoit, this all sounds a bit exploratory, and yet President Trump has threatened to take military action against Iran if no deal is reached. I'll also point out we've reported that some Western officials now see Iran as part of this axis called CRINC, China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, that is now united in defying Western sanctions. In light of that, what is Iran's urgency to make a deal?
I think Crick is not enough. For Iran, it's not enough. They had a little bit of breathing space with both China and with Russia, either for commodities, drones or banking. But it's never been a replacement for having an economic relationship with the West. which is really something guided by the dollar and the American banking system.
And the evidence of that is basically since Trump was elected, the currency has fallen by 40%. So that brings aliens is a partial alternative. It's a bound aid, but it doesn't resolve the long-term issues that Iran is facing.
And back in Washington, the Supreme Court has told the Trump administration to seek the return of a migrant mistakenly sent to a Salvadorian prison, rebuffing government claims that it need do nothing to remedy its error. Thursday's order directed the government to take steps to bring Kilmar Abrego Garcia back to the U.S. from a maximum security facility it sent him to in March.
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Chapter 4: How is the Supreme Court involved in a deportation case?
administration maintained its only error was sending him to El Salvador rather than to a third country, and that federal courts had no power to command officials to retrieve him once he was in custody of a foreign government. Coming up after a whirlwind week for investors, is policy risk here to stay? How likely is a recession and is now a good time for action or patience?
Rathbones' Ed Smith joins us to take on those questions after the break. So As we near the end of one of the most topsy-turvy weeks for global markets in recent memory, how should investors view the road ahead? With reciprocal tariffs on pause, can we afford to put our recession worries on hold as well? Or could universal 10% levies be enough to shake confidence and dent growth forecasts?
To take on those questions and more, I'm joined by Ed Smith, the Co-Chief Investment Officer at Rathbones Investment Management. Ed, I guess the big question right out of the gate, can investors afford to put policy risk behind them? That risk was really what had been driving unease around the world in recent days.
Chapter 5: What should investors consider during market volatility?
Well, over the last few weeks, we've seen this really tight relationship between the level of the S&P and a daily measure of trade policy uncertainty that's drawn from news flow. And when we had the reprieve, the 90-day reprieve announced from the White House, you obviously saw this huge rally in markets. But actually, that trade policy uncertainty index only came back a little bit.
And so we're not surprised that actually yesterday, the market gave back some of those gains. And I think the next 90 days are still going to be full of uncertainty. And I think that's going to put a ceiling on how far markets can climb back.
How do you assess the disruption caused going forward here by 10% universal tariffs, as well as these now 100 plus percent tariffs on China, compared to maybe that worst case scenario some investors were thinking of a few days ago? Have we really, on balance, stepped down in terms of the disruption as we end the week?
If you think pre-liberation day, Estimates of the effective tariff rates on US imports going into that seem to stop out at around 15%, whereas with the 10% tariffs on everything, the tariff now on China, and some of the 25% sectoral tariffs. We're actually still beyond that upper bound of those previous estimates.
It's a little difficult to exactly figure out what the effective tariff rate is, but we think it's somewhere between 16% and 21%. And that's going to hurt. The Fed's targeted measure of inflation by around about 1%.
It sounds like it would be unwise, given what you've just said, then, for investors to rule out the recession risks that were starting to dial up in recent days or slower growth expectations.
Yeah, I think that's right. So on the morning after Liberation Day, we raised our recession odds to 45%. Then we had escalation, probably taking it higher. We're now back to, I think, around 40% recession odds. And whilst there are definite upside risks that could get us to decent growth this year if we get a lot of fiscal stimulus, assuming bond yields then don't spiral,
But our base case, our most likely case is that growth is still going to slow meaningfully this year, that the next couple of quarters are going to be hard, in particular, as business investment probably goes on hiatus. And so we're looking at probably sub 1% growth in the US this year.
Got it. It seems like consumer confidence measures, business confidence measures will be pretty crucial in the next few weeks to determine how jittery everyone remains after what we've just been through.
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