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Fed Enters a New Holding Pattern on Interest Rates

28 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: Why did the Federal Reserve decide to hold interest rates steady?

2.393 - 15.274 Alex Ossola

The Federal Reserve holds rates steady and offers little clarity on when it might start cutting again. Plus, a new wave of AI startups are landing billion-dollar valuations, even though they don't have a product.

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15.694 - 31.157 Kate Clark

All of this just points back to how much excitement there still is For AI development, even though there has been more skepticism in the market, there is more talk of a bubble, that has not stopped investment from climbing, even into these extremely risky businesses like the Neolabs.

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31.757 - 54.996 Alex Ossola

And two Border Patrol agents who shot Alex Preddy and the ICE officer who shot Rene Good in Minneapolis have been put on leave. It's Wednesday, January 28th. I'm Alex Osola for The Wall Street Journal. This is the PM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories that move the world today.

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55.448 - 73.171 Alex Ossola

The Federal Reserve held interest rates steady today, entering a new holding pattern after three straight cuts. Officials kept language that's typically suggested an openness to further moves without suggesting any hurry to make them. In a press conference after the decision was announced, Chair Jerome Powell offered little insight into what's next.

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73.472 - 84.426 Jerome Powell

The economy is growing at a solid pace. The unemployment rate has been broadly stable and inflation remains somewhat elevated. So we'll be looking to our goal variables and letting the data light the way for us.

84.558 - 89.887 Alex Ossola

For more on the Fed's decision and what went into it, I'm joined now by WSJ investing columnist Spencer Jacob.

Chapter 2: What factors influence the Federal Reserve's decision-making process?

90.468 - 100.525 Alex Ossola

Spencer, Powell said that the Fed chose to keep rates steady as inflation and employment are, at least for the moment, in a sort of balance. What would it take for it to start cutting rates again?

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100.876 - 118.716 Spencer Jakab

Well, we'll have a couple of more jobs reports before the March meeting. They'd likely have to see something dramatic or see something elsewhere in the economy. You know, for example, manufacturing surveys could be very soft, industrial production, durable goods orders, things like that. But we have not seen signs of that so far this year.

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119.455 - 133.735 Alex Ossola

Among Fed officials for this month's decision, Powell said there was broad support for cutting. But two officials, both of whom were appointed by President Trump, said that they wanted to cut this time around. What does that show us about how the Fed is functioning as a body?

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133.9 - 154.335 Spencer Jakab

It shows us that it's functioning fairly well because there is consensus. The two officials that dissented, each of whom asked for a quarter point cut, were Stephen Myron and Waller, who's one of the four candidates to be Fed chair. You know, you're not going to get the job if you're not seen playing ball because Trump is explicitly calling for Fed rate cuts. So no surprise there at all.

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154.716 - 157.14 Spencer Jakab

It counts as consensus for any normal meeting.

157.947 - 158.247 Alex Ossola

Right.

Chapter 3: How are AI startups achieving billion-dollar valuations without products?

158.408 - 175.351 Alex Ossola

By Waller, you mean Christopher Waller, who's in the running to be the new Fed chair, along with Kevin Warsh, Kevin Hassett, and Rick Reeder. But our current Fed chair, Powell, he was asked today about the Justice Department investigation into him and the Lisa Cook case in front of the Supreme Court, both of which could affect the independence of the central bank.

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175.751 - 177.714 Alex Ossola

How did Powell talk about those things?

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178.715 - 186.486 Spencer Jakab

He was asked about it, but he wouldn't be drawn. So he was extremely professional, did not allow any of that to distract from the economic message.

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186.871 - 189.355 Alex Ossola

What has been the market reaction to today's Fed decision?

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190.156 - 206.601 Spencer Jakab

The market reaction has been fairly muted. The decision was very widely expected, and there was nothing really unexpected that came out of Powell's mouth. He said that they have a dual mandate, full employment and controlling inflation, and that the two are in balance and perhaps a bit more benign than they had been in the past.

206.986 - 224.365 Alex Ossola

That was WSJ investing columnist Spencer Jacob. Thanks, Spencer. Sure. Like Spencer said, markets didn't have a strong reaction to the Fed. But the dollar did climb today after Treasury Secretary Scott Besant said the U.S. had a strong dollar policy and absolutely wasn't intervening in currency markets.

Chapter 4: What challenges do Neolabs face in the AI startup landscape?

224.886 - 245.481 Alex Ossola

The dollar had sold off yesterday, partly because President Trump said he wasn't concerned about currency declines. In round number milestones, the S&P 500 briefly crossed 7,000 points today for the first time, but later retreated, and stock markets finished the day pretty much unchanged from yesterday. The biggest move in the indexes was a 0.2% gain in the Nasdaq.

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248.701 - 270.553 Alex Ossola

In corporate news, Amazon said it was laying off 16,000 employees. That brings its total cuts to 30,000 workers since October. CEO Andy Jassy has portrayed the cuts as an attempt to reinvigorate the company's culture rather than to cut costs. Amazon went on a hiring spree during the pandemic, adding about 100,000 workers in a short period.

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271.115 - 286.267 Alex Ossola

And Jassy's said that surge in hiring led to bloat at the company. He's promised to operate like a startup, and that means, quote, removing layers. And Starbucks said today that its same-store sales grew 4 percent and revenue increased 6 percent in the latest quarter.

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286.828 - 307.761 Alex Ossola

CEO Brian Nichols says his turnaround strategy is working, but profit declined 62 percent, taking a hit from those investments in stores and workers and from coffee tariffs. And we have some headlines for big tech earnings that came out after the bell. Tesla's revenue fell 3% as it lost its lead as the world's top electric vehicle maker to China's BYD.

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308.242 - 324.523 Alex Ossola

While Meta said it had record sales and expects a massive increase in projected spending this year, a sign that its AI investments are still going strong. And Microsoft reported better than expected earnings because of its new deal with OpenAI and continued growth in its cloud computing business.

Chapter 5: What is the market reaction to the Federal Reserve's latest decision?

324.503 - 351.979 Alex Ossola

For more details, visit WSJ.com. And we'll be discussing those results on tomorrow morning's show. Coming up, what's drawing investors to AI startups with no product or revenue? And President Trump's ultimatum for Iran. That's after the break. There's a new kind of startup getting attention in Silicon Valley.

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352.38 - 373.95 Alex Ossola

These companies don't have any products or any revenue, but they've got eager investors. And some of these companies are valued at a billion dollars or more. The industry is calling these startups Neolabs. And Kate Clark, who covers startups for the journal, says that they're riding the AI wave in a different kind of way. Kate, how do these companies differ from other kinds of AI startups?

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374.437 - 388.112 Kate Clark

You can think of a neolab as kind of a mini baby open AI. These are a new generation of startups that, like open AI, are getting their start as purely research labs, research that would usually happen inside academic environments.

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388.172 - 403.448 Kate Clark

So basically they are trying to build better AI models, better systems of building AI through complicated equations, whiteboarding, coding, and they're not worried about applications of that AI. In other words, they're not really worried yet about actually trying to make any money.

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Chapter 6: How is Amazon's job cut decision impacting its corporate strategy?

403.867 - 410.356 Alex Ossola

Can you give us a couple of examples of the names of these companies and how they're thinking about approaching AI?

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411.157 - 431.585 Kate Clark

Yeah, there are a couple of more well-known examples. One of those is Safe Superintelligence, which was founded by one of the original founders of OpenAI, and it is focused on building AI more safely. It is valued at over $30 billion, making it one of the most valuable startups. There's also Thinking Machines Labs, which is also founded by an OpenAI alum.

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431.905 - 441.436 Kate Clark

And there's a startup I focused on in my story called Flapping Airplanes, which wants to build new AI models with less data. We raised over $100 million to do that.

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441.896 - 451.187 Alex Ossola

These valuations seem quite high. And also, there's no plan for a product or any kind of revenue anytime soon. Why are investors interested in these Neolabs?

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451.522 - 463.318 Kate Clark

I think the idea for investors is if one of these companies really does figure out a more efficient way or just a better way of building AI systems, that they will have a trillion-dollar opportunity on their hands.

463.578 - 473.792 Kate Clark

These are a lot of the same people who have put billions of dollars into open AI and Anthropic and who are absolutely convinced that those companies will be worth a trillion dollars or more. in the near future.

473.872 - 483.664 Kate Clark

So they think that if they bet on a bunch of these little companies that also want to disrupt the AI space, that they will see massive payday at some point, even if that is a decade down the line.

Chapter 7: What recent developments have occurred in immigration enforcement?

484.445 - 503.146 Kate Clark

All of this just points back to how much excitement there still is for AI development, even though there has been more skepticism in the market. There is more talk of a bubble. That has not stopped investment from climbing, even into these extremely risky businesses like the Neolabs. And what kinds of challenges do Neolabs face?

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503.666 - 529.403 Kate Clark

I think that the big one is retaining the star talent that they have recruited or even keeping on some of the co-founders of these companies. We've already seen several examples of big shot researchers who founded these Neolabs actually leaving pretty quickly to go back to OpenAI or to go to Meta because they were offered, in some cases, $100, $200, $300 million packages to leave.

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529.383 - 534.191 Kate Clark

And if they can't keep their talent, they don't have anything. That was WSJ reporter Kate Clark.

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534.473 - 552.139 Alex Ossola

Thanks, Kate. Thanks. In the latest development after the fatal shootings in Minneapolis, two Border Patrol agents who fired shots at Alex Preddy last weekend have been put on administrative leave, a decision that the Customs and Border Protection Agency says was, quote, standard protocol.

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552.781 - 560.655 Alex Ossola

And the Department of Homeland Security says the ICE officer who shot and killed Renee Good earlier this month has also been placed on administrative leave.

560.635 - 580.291 Alex Ossola

With the backlash to the aggressive immigration enforcement operation in Minneapolis, the Trump administration has changed its strategy, putting border czar Tom Homan in charge of the operation in the city, as Democrats and some Republicans call for Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to step down. President Trump has issued new threats against Iran.

580.792 - 599.161 Alex Ossola

Posting on social media today, Trump said that he hopes that Iran will negotiate a deal that includes stopping its nuclear program or it will face a possible attack. He said, quote, time is running out. Iran says it won't compromise on its right to continue enriching uranium for civilian purposes or to maintain its missile arsenal.

599.702 - 615.65 Alex Ossola

The Pentagon's buildup in the Middle East includes an aircraft carrier with its accompanying warships. And, like the U.S., many countries in Europe are trying to stop or deport migrants. Not Spain, which yesterday said that undocumented immigrants can legalize their status in the coming months.

616.21 - 637.146 Alex Ossola

The government estimates that about 500,000 people will gain legal residency, though analysts say it could be more. The plan doesn't apply to every migrant. For example, people with criminal records aren't eligible. And that's what's news for this Wednesday afternoon. Today's show is produced by Pierre Bien-Aimé with supervising producer Tali Arbel. I'm Alex Osola for The Wall Street Journal.

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