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Trump Moves Could Force Universities to Recalculate Their Bottom Lines

Sun, 20 Apr 2025

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The Trump administration has already pulled grant money from Harvard and is threatening to do so at other institutions too. Meanwhile,the administration is pulling hundreds of student visas and moving to deport some. WSJ’s Doug Belkin explains how losing federal grant money could affect universities’ bottom lines. And Fanta Aw, executive director and CEO of the Association of International Educators (NAFSA), explains how much international students contribute to universities’ budgets and the impact that losing them could have. Further Reading:  Trump Is Going After Universities’ Federal Funding. Here’s What to Know.   The Little-Known Bureaucrats Tearing Through American Universities   Trump Team to Freeze Nearly $2 Billion at Cornell and Northwestern Universities   How Harvard Ended Up Leading the University Fight Against Trump  Trump Administration Wants to Install Federal Oversight of Columbia University  Former College President Explains Funding Strategies Behind Universities  Chinese Students on U.S. Campuses Are Ensnared in Political Standoff  Student Visas Are Being Revoked Without Reason or Warning, Colleges Say  Harvard-Bound Students Stand Firm While Some Columbia Prospects Think Twice  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What are the Trump administration's recent actions against universities?

32.517 - 47.11 Doug Belkin

Hey, What's News listeners. It's Sunday, April 20th. I'm Alex Osola for The Wall Street Journal. This is What's News Sunday, the show where we tackle the big questions about the biggest stories in the news by reaching out to our colleagues across the newsroom to help explain what's happening in our world.

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47.771 - 72.348 Doug Belkin

On today's show, the Trump administration is threatening to pull grant funding from institutions like Columbia and has already done so for Harvard. And it's also taking aim at individual students, pulling hundreds of student visas and even moving to deport some. What's the impact on universities' bottom lines, their reputation and their culture? At the end of the day, universities are businesses.

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72.749 - 87.8 Doug Belkin

Their budgets are made up of student tuition, endowments, philanthropic donations, and government grants. Just how big their budgets are depends on a number of different factors, including, say, how much research the university does. For example, Harvard spent $6.4 billion in fiscal year 2024.

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91.022 - 111.325 Doug Belkin

Later on in the show, we'll speak to Fanta Av, the executive director and CEO of NAFSA, the Association of International Educators, about where international students fit into balancing these budgets. But first, let's zero in on the Trump administration's threats to freeze billions of dollars in grants. from institutions and how it's unsettling universities across the country.

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Chapter 2: How does federal grant money affect university budgets?

111.546 - 124.594 Doug Belkin

Joining me now to discuss the not insignificant impact of federal grants on university budgets is Doug Belkin, who covers higher education for The Journal. So, Doug, let's jump right in. How much does grant money matter to universities' bottom line?

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125.094 - 145.974 Fanta Aw

So when you add it up, it starts to become real money. And you can see how critical the research amount is for the operating budget. Research mostly comes from the government. And the way it works is it'll be an agency, the National Institute of Health or a group like that will write a check to the university. The fiduciary of the university is the board of

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directors of the trustees so that the check gets written to them but it's really being sent to the researcher who came up with a really good idea that impressed a lot of people and made it through a really intense vetting process and the nih or whoever decided this is such a good idea we want to fund this research That money goes to the board and then the school is going to keep a chunk of it.

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168.028 - 186.184 Fanta Aw

They have something called the facilities and administration. And that can be north of 50% because that pays for the labs and the administrators and the electricity. And there's a lot of things that go into running a university. What's left over pays for the grad students, the researcher, whatever is needed to do the research itself.

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186.904 - 206.456 Fanta Aw

One of the things that the Trump administration has done is said, we don't wanna pay 50, 60 percent in facilities and administration. We want that limited to 15 percent. So that was one of the first things that Trump did. And it really threw a monkey wrench in the budgets of these universities because that money is used by the university to keep the lights on. And it's fungible.

206.536 - 213.379 Fanta Aw

If that money is suddenly getting cut by two thirds, that's just less money coming into the system. And, you know, it has to come from somewhere else.

Chapter 3: What challenges do universities face with potential grant cuts?

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What kinds of challenges might the president face in pulling grant money?

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217.833 - 241.5 Fanta Aw

So Trump is using a new set of tools to pull grant money. They created this task force that's looking at the contracts that the researchers have received, and they're canceling or freezing those contracts, using language in the contracts, as opposed to going through the Title VI procedures. The Title VI is a civil rights, you have to go through certain things in order to stop funding that way.

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So there's a different tool being used, and that's part of why this is sort of legally on new ground.

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The faculty, the AAUP, which is the Union for the Faculty at Harvard and at Columbia, has filed a lawsuit on the ground that the Trump administration does not have the right to cancel research grants and to tell them what to research and what to teach on campus, that that's a violation of their First Amendment rights.

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And we're moving into uncharted territories here, so the courts are going to have to weigh in on this.

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What is the result of less money coming in for this purpose?

276.044 - 287.866 Fanta Aw

Right. So there's two actors here. There's the researcher and there's the institution. So there's less money for the institution. So they're figuring out how to cut back. For the researchers, it's calamitous because this is their entire income stream.

288.006 - 309.732 Fanta Aw

One NIH grant can keep dozens of people employed and an entire research project, which may be spread across several institutions or even around the globe. Now the checks stop cashing. The research comes to an end. People are lose their jobs unless there's a way to tap another source and experiments or projects that may have been going on for years can get canceled.

310.092 - 314.494 Fanta Aw

And that's why it's such an existential issue for the research community.

Chapter 4: How might international students be impacted by funding changes?

548.173 - 562.603 Fanta Aw

The faculty determines who is gonna be on the faculty, who is gonna get tenure, and they guard this jealously. They have the freedom to decide what to think, what to study, what to research. Other places don't have that. They have ministers of education, and there's more of a top-down approach that's bottom-up here.

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So if the government says, we want to be the ones who decide who's teaching, what you're teaching, then they're challenging this notion of academic freedom. And that's sacrosanct on college campuses. And that's why people are going crazy. This notion, Donald Trump or anybody else in the federal government gets to determine what should be on a curriculum, on a syllabus.

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582.74 - 601.495 Fanta Aw

That's a First Amendment issue. So on the one hand, you've got overreach from the left. that squashed intellectual debate on college campuses because they said, we'll cancel you if you say certain things, if you believe certain things. And a lot of faculty were aligned with that. And now you've got the right coming in and saying, we're gonna take over and we're gonna be the ones who decide.

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601.555 - 619.53 Fanta Aw

And so there's this sense of overreach from the right. But the university also has an obligation to regulate itself so that it is not so far out of touch with the American public in this case politically, that the support that the American public is giving them makes sense to the public. And so this disconnect is why this is happening.

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620.251 - 623.133 Doug Belkin

That was WSJ reporter Doug Belkin. Thank you so much, Doug.

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Thanks very much.

Chapter 5: What are the long-term trends affecting university enrollment?

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Coming up, the Trump administration's moves against foreign students threaten another of universities' revenue streams. More after the break.

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675.242 - 689.231 Doug Belkin

Immigration officers have detained two students, Mohsen Madawi and Mahmoud Khalil, both of whom were organizers of pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University. The government is also attempting to deport Khalil, though that effort is tied up in a legal battle at the moment.

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Chapter 6: What are the cultural impacts of federal oversight on universities?

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In the past few weeks, the government has also revoked a number of student visas without notice, causing confusion and panic among students. And as of this past week, the Trump administration has threatened to stop international students from attending Harvard.

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In a letter to the university, the Homeland Security Department said that hosting international students was a privilege, not a guarantee, and asked for information about visa holders by the end of the month. That could cause a long-term problem for universities because they rely on the tuition these international students pay.

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I'm joined now by Fanta Av, the executive director and CEO of NAFSA, the Association of International Educators. Fanta, what do international students mean for universities' bottom lines?

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732.631 - 752.305 Fanta Aw

So international students who come to the US, granted that they only make up 6% of the total population enrolled in universities, their economic contributions is quite significant. We track that on a yearly basis. And for our most recent data, it's about $43 billion. And it's not only to universities, by the way.

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752.325 - 773.377 Fanta Aw

The 43 billions are to universities, but also to the local economy of where those universities are situated. And it's also over 300,000 jobs that are created as a result of international students coming to the US to study. Most of the students who come to study tends to be graduate students. They study generally in the STEM fields or in the business administration area.

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In terms of their source of funding, the source of funding is mostly students who are self-funded. However, at the graduate level, given the importance of research and given the importance of assistantship and so forth, there are graduate students who come with funding provided to them in return for research and assistantship at the graduate level.

793.032 - 804.054 Doug Belkin

I want to kind of take us into the current moment that we're in. So what are you hearing from agents and prospective students about the Trump administration's actions on universities? What do they make of this?

804.674 - 824.883 Fanta Aw

What we keep hearing from students and from stakeholders is a lot of anxiety, tremendous confusion around the processes and so forth, and the need for greater answers and transparency around these processes. We're constantly hearing that. For students who make the decision to come and study in the United States, that's not a small decision to make.

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Preliminary data has indicated that in several parts of the world where there had been previously a high level of interest in wanting to come and study in the US, that we're seeing about a 40% decline in the number of those students who are looking to the US as a destination. So if universities...

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