Ron Livingston just came over to chat. While most people come to the garage with something to promote, Marc and Ron were happy to be two guys getting to know each other on the microphones with no other agenda. Although Marc already learned some things about Ron from his wife, Rosemarie Dewitt, Ron shared his own stories about growing up in Iowa, how the trajectory of his Swingers character was not far from the truth, how Office Space slowly became a beloved classic, and how Sex and the City burnished his wardrobe. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chapter 1: What were Marc Maron's holiday experiences?
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Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast. If I sound a little vocally compromised, it's because I got a cold. That was the big payoff of this horrendous Christmas week. Yeah, it was all going not so great. A sequence of events, man. It's just a sequence of events.
I wasn't putting a lot of weight on the holidays. You know, I do know it quiets down and that's nice generally. But... It was kind of surprisingly anxiety-ridden and crisis-ridden a bit. Again, I'm alive, everything worked out, but... It was not great. I guess it was mixed. I guess it was mixed. And I'm not a holiday guy, not a religious guy. I don't practice the rituals, really.
You know, as I get older, I wonder how am I an adult and I can't even muster it up to send out some Christmas cards or maybe buy a couple of presents. I like to say that, like, well, it's just not my thing. But really, it's just selfish. Ja. Ja. Ja. Felt like I knew him. And now I got to know him a little bit. And now you will too.
My 2025 continuation tour of my 2024 tour kicks off in less than two weeks. It gets started in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. Then I'm in Napa, California at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. Fort Collins, Colorado at Lincoln Center Performance Hall Friday, the 17th of January. Then Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January
Ja, dann komme ich nach Iowa, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois und Michigan. heading into the special taping, which I'll give you details on as they unfold. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all of my dates and links to tickets.
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Chapter 2: How did Marc's father react during the holidays?
Like, you know, I see this happening and I imagine this is the same with a lot of people who experience this, the breakdown of their parent with this thing is that, you know, what's left? Like, he's still got a lot of memories. He knows who I am and all that stuff. But, you know, the behavior that's left, you realize like, oh, this was, this was my childhood.
And it like, it was kind of breaking my heart in that moment that like, I think he was really unaware of the impact of Ja, also das ist sort of what's left. That emotional engine of anger and rage. And self-centeredness is what's left. I mean, you know, I guess all bets are off that my dad, as he went through this, would become docile and more detached.
Nope, it seems like the fuck you is going to stay till the end. And I don't know, man. It just makes me worry about me. Und traurig über ihn. Aber das ist, was da los ist. Das ist, was da los ist. Und dann, weißt du, am nächsten Tag starte ich Anrufe von der Frau, die mein Haus schaut, dass Charlie Diarrhea hat und er hat Diarrhea überall in der Haus, wie überall in der Haus.
Er hat einfach unkontrollierbare Diarrhea. Und ich bin so, was ist da los? Dann nehme ich meinen Vater zum Abendessen am nächsten Tag und er wird krank und ich bin so, holy shit. But it's not happening to me, really. It's happening to Charlie. It's happening to my dad. Everyone's vomiting and has diarrhea. And I'm just, you know, with Charlie, I'm like, what are we going to do?
And that went on for two days. So I had Kit bring him to the vet. And the vet thinks it's like stress-induced colitis. Because when I leave and then I realize, holy shit, every time I leave, he either gets pukey or he doesn't eat or he shits all over everything. And I'm like, all right, well, at least we know that. You know, that's something to know. It's weird.
This sort of being triggered with the memories of a raging dad and then, you know, having this emotional connection to this animal and he starts shitting everywhere when he doesn't get the love he needs. And then, like, the next day, Friday morning, Kit comes by the house and she says, the ceiling in the kitchen is leaking. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? There's shit all over the place.
And now the ceiling's leaking water. And I'm like, God damn it. And I'm thinking like a pipe blue, they're going to rip my ceiling out. I'm going to have to deal with that and the water. All I'm thinking is like, oh my God, what about mold? What about an open ceiling? What about like where the cat's going to eat? Where am I going to shower? What the fuck am I going to do?
How are we going to fix this? And I get her to turn off the water main, which was sort of not easy. I had one of these, I had to put one of these flow things on there.
dass man es von einer App auswählen kann, aber es war offline, also mussten wir die Hauptanlage auswählen, ich musste einen Plumber anrufen, und ich musste früh nach Hause fliegen, ich musste ein Team auswählen, ich nannte einen Kontraktor, und er brachte seinen Plumber, und ich weiß nicht, danke Gott, du weißt nie, Leute kamen von mir, dieser Kerl kam von mir, er ist ein Kerl, den ich kenne, außer nur als Kontraktor, ich kam nach Hause, sechs Uhr am Abend, das Wasser war weg, es gab ein Loch im Boden, nur in der Farbe, ein Bubbel,
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Chapter 3: What stories did Ron Livingston share about his upbringing?
Right. Was, you gonna ask me that? No, but that's good. I just turned 61. You know, we're over the hump of some kind. We're over a couple of humps. A couple of humps, heading for a new hump. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully we make it up this one. But how many times do you really think when you say no to something because of that sense of like, ah, fuck, it's not, that you were right? Oh, we'll never know.
Yeah. I say no to everything. Yeah. But I'm not in the same position anymore. But my initial instinct is like, how long? Well, I'm not in that position anymore.
Yeah, you're alright. I think there's the ones where you say no to it and then it goes on to be wildly successful for someone else. Yeah, yeah. But then I'm like, okay, good. I kind of made the right decision because look how well my decision turned out for somebody else.
Yeah, and that guy, do you ever do the like... And I might have ruined it. That guy did a better job than I. Yeah. I wouldn't have done it, but you did.
Most of the time. I mean, obviously I couldn't even, like I didn't want to, so I guess, what are you going to do?
Do you, like, do you, and I'm just asking this for my own personal reasons, do you enjoy acting? Yeah. Okay. I do. Yeah. I do, I love it. Yeah. And do you, like, because you find it, like, it took me a while to get over the waiting to do the thing. And then you do the thing for a few minutes and then you wait. Yeah. And then you do it again for a few minutes. I love the waiting. You do?
I'm back-footed. And, you know, maybe bordering on, like, non-ambitious. So it's like, oh, great, I'll take a nap. I'll, you know. Go look at the food again. Or I'll study, you know. Sure, you do the lines. Not just the lines, but, like... Yeah, like I'll inhabit the thing.
Yeah, that's good if you've got a lot of scenes to do, because you're locked in. Even if I don't, I like the rabbit hole. I like going down the rabbit hole on stuff. I did kind of finally realize that when you are on set, that if you're on set for long enough, it's just its own world. And when you come out of it, it's kind of jarring and depressing.
Because you know exactly what you need to do there. Yeah, there's a call sheet. Yeah, and it's at the place, even if you're waiting around, everything else is just sort of like, I can't do that. No.
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Chapter 4: How did Ron's role in 'Sex and the City' influence his wardrobe?
I kind of say, if I have any of those bargaining chips, I always save it for things that I think are going to make the movie better. I don't want to fight about... You know, I don't want to fight about dumb shit. About whether my trailer is closer to the set than someone... You know, like... I can't do it.
Who cares? I don't care. It's like, I don't know at what point your ego shifts to that. I mean, you have those moments where you're like, why the fuck do I have that? And then you realize, because you're you and that's that.
Some people feed on it. I think some people get fired up by being in conflict all day. And so those are things to be in conflict about, to sort of keep that edge up. That's exhausting. If I want to go in and say, hey, can we look at these four lines, because I think we can do better than this.
Yeah.
I want that to be the thing where they're like, well, shit, Ron never complains about anything.
Yeah, let's listen to him.
He feels really strongly about this, so let's think about it.
As opposed to, here comes this asshole.
Right, exactly. What does he want now?
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Chapter 5: What insights did Ron have about his acting career?
War das nicht gut? Es war unglaublich. Ich brauchte es.
Ich brauchte jeden Moment davon. Ja.
Aber ich habe mit ihr darüber gesprochen, dass die Vorstellung des Agenten in der Adaptation, das ist einer der besten Rollen, die ich je gesehen habe. Danke. Es ist, weil... Marty Bowen. Was war sein Name? Marty Bowen. Marty Bowen. Wer ist ein echter Agent, übrigens?
Ja. Wer war... Ich denke, es war... Kaufmann? Kaufmanns Agent, denke ich. Oder es war Spikes. Aber nein, ich denke, es war Kaufmanns. Du hast den Typen getroffen? Ja. Er hat mir ein Bild von den beiden von uns geschickt. Aber hast du ihn gemacht? Nein, ich wusste ihn nicht wirklich. Ich habe ihn noch nie kennengelernt. Aber ich glaube, Spike hatte eine sehr... Ich weiß nicht.
Ich meine, so viel davon ist auf der Webseite. Und dann... Das ist wirklich lustig. Das war wie eine 2,5-Hour-Audition. Wirklich? Ja. Ich ging in mit, okay, es ist ein Agent und die Leute sind dumm, also mache ich das stereotypische Agent-Ding. Und Spike hat vielleicht eine Stunde mit mir verbracht, mich davon zu entfernen. Ja.
Er hat mir einfach die Möglichkeit gegeben, nein, du musst das nicht tun. Ja.
Well, what would that have been? Because like to me, it is so specific in the sense that like, look, you and I have known agents and med agents our entire professional life. And, you know, obviously, I don't want to, you know, get myself in any sort of trouble here. But there is a component, a human component that an agent is missing. Yeah. Und ich glaube, das ist notwendig für ihren Job.
Oh, sicher. Aber es ist eine sehr spezifische Sache, die Erweiterung davon, die du bekommst, die sehr spezifisch und direkt auf den Geld liegt.
You know, it's something that I think I understand from being an actor. And you deal with scripts your whole life. You see scripts your whole life. And as an actor, you're like, oh, this scene sucks. We gotta fix this scene. This is shit. Let's just fix it. And it's not until you then try to write something yourself that you realize, oh my God, this is... Ja, du bist der Schreiter. Ja.
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Chapter 6: How did Ron and Marc discuss their family backgrounds?
Well, it's about, I think, about community, ultimately. Right? I think so. I guess it's nice to have some place to go where you see the people like, hey, how you doing? Right. We're all here together. Yeah. Subscribing to a thing. Yeah. And it's nice to see everybody. Yeah. I'll see you next week. See you next week. You know, have some cookies on the way out. Exactly, yeah. And that's that.
So, when do you come out here? I was 25. Yeah.
25, it was... So, after Yale, you go back to Iowa. I went back to Iowa. I had a... This was a really hard moment. I did a really weird thing that nobody ever does, you know, when you take a semester off in school. I took off the second semester of my senior year.
So you're really testing whether or not you'd go back.
Yeah, it was, I had joined, my senior year I was like in, at Yale there's like acapella music and this is back before Pitch Perfect and before it became cool. You were doing the acapella thing? I was doing the acapella thing. And you owned that publicly? And I, you know what, yeah. Yeah, I'm old enough. Who cares now? Could you walk back into it if someone said, hey, come on up?
I'd have to, yeah, I'd have to rehearse. I'd probably have to rehearse this.
I would try. So you're in an a cappella group.
I'm in an a cappella group. But I'm this theater major. And I really wanted to direct a play as part of the big senior requirement. And I couldn't do both. So I took the semester off so that I would come back in the fall and direct an adaptation of The Cherry Orchard, which I did. I loved it. It was great. But what also happened is that that sucked up everything in the fall for me.
So then after the play was done, I had about two or three weeks when I was supposed to do all the coursework from the other three classes that I needed to graduate. Yeah. And I left campus in January with two papers that I hadn't written. So those were kind of hanging over my head. And I went back to Iowa, you know, back at my parents' house. And I banged out the first one.
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Chapter 7: What experiences shaped Ron's perspective on life and acting?
And then you just come out here. When does it happen?
It doesn't ever, I don't think it ever happens. But every once in a while it happens. You get work. Yeah. So you got a new agent and then you started to work? Ja. Ja. Ja. And you can't audition with a one-line bartender part. So they had me audition with a bigger character. And I got that part. And then that was kind of a start. Which movie was that? It was called The Low Life. Yeah.
With starring Rory Cochran. Okay. That guy's great. Isn't he amazing? Oh my God. He's freaking amazing. And he's like... Er war der coolste Typ. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ich war so, hallo. Und er ist der Typ mit dem gesouped up Mustang. Er hatte einfach alle die coolsten Sachen. Ich habe ihn einmal interviewt und es war intensiv.
Er war so schmerzhaft, so schmerzhaft. Ja. Ja. Ja, aber er ist nur einer von diesen Jungs, der sehr intensiv ist und fokussiert ist. Und es gibt definitiv Dinge, über die er nicht sprechen möchte. Ja.
Und er hält die Mystik ein.
Aber er ist immer so, wenn er reagiert, ist es wie, holy shit. Ja, er ist wie ein echter, er ist ein echter Mann. Ja, also du kennst ihn, als er ein Kind war.
Wir waren Kinder. Vor dem Verlust und Verwirrung, wie du weißt, er war in dem.
Er könnte, das könnte gerade nach dem Verlust gewesen sein. Ja.
I think this might have been just after that. And then Swingers happens. And that puts you on the map? That puts me next to the map. That puts me close enough to the map that when they spill a cup of coffee on the map and they reach for something to wipe the map up with, I'm there.
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