Marc Maron
Appearances
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
It was like, we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
No one cared. I wasn't. Yeah. I wasn't even a meme at that point, but it worked out. I mean, you know, thank God it worked out. I don't even, I can't even explain it because I don't, I'm not like a big, not a big thing. I don't think about money, David. Yeah. Oh, you don't like having it enough to eat. Yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
You know, like that's, that's the, that's how my brain works is like, well, what do you have? You have money now. What do you do? I can eat wherever I want.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So that's interesting about Neil Young is he really, he kind of held back on what seems to be about 50 records he never released. So he somehow or another, he can release records every year or so, you know, from 1970. And it's amazing.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Something like that. Yeah, it's like about 1,600. But Neil came over once. That was interesting with Neil.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I didn't hear that one. Well, because I, you know, I'm enough of a fan to know enough about him. I'm much better if I'm not a big fan of somebody in terms of interviewing. And I didn't know what to expect. He was out pushing. Remember when he made that, he was partnered up with a company that made that thing that was supposed to compete with the iPod? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Do you want me to just send you a link to a map where everybody can... No, drop me a pic.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
No, it was like a box. Yeah. Like a portable box. Oh, what was it called? So they send me this thing and they send me these fancy ear headset and it's, it picks up a bigger spectrum of sound and people have to rerecord for, but what was it called? It doesn't matter. So they send me, they send me the thing and, And I listened to it. I'm like, all right, whatever.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I just want to, I'll talk to Neil Young. So, so he, they sent me the thing and there, and I was told that like, when they get there, you're going to have to give it back. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So Neil Young's coming over and I'm nervous because it's fucking Neil Young. And like, I, I know that with somebody like him, because I'm not a huge fan, every Neil Young nerd in the world is,
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
is going to be listening for, for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something. That's something I've learned with, with guys like Springsteen, these guys interview. So Neil comes over with his like 80 year old posse. He's got, he's got two, two guys with him that, you know, must've been in their seventies. Elliot, his manager who passed away and another guy.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Oh yeah, yeah. Except for George Shapiro, who was Carl Reiner's cousin, younger, but still old. I don't even know if he's still alive. Was it called Pono? I think he passed away. Pono, yeah. Pono, yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Pono Music, yeah. So they come over and Neil walks in and you remember the house. You said it, like it's just two rooms. He's looking at my records. He looks at a guitar I have out. He goes over and he plays the guitar. And he's looking around. And I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the Pomo and the headphones. And Neil just goes, no, you can keep them. So I'm thinking, I'm in.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
This guy likes me, right? So we go out to the garage.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And I decided the way to the way to start with him is just I have an old amplifier that I think he uses one similar to it. So I figured that would get things started. Right. So I get Neil out there and I'm like, so you probably recognize that amp there. Right. He's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, fuck. And then it was just, well, he did though. But I didn't know.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
No one told me he likes to fuck with interviewers. So he's making me work my balls off. And it wasn't until I got him laughing that it opened up. But it took like 15 minutes. And it was like, it was hard. But then like all of a sudden he pops open. He's talking about doing Pilates with Daryl Hannah. And all this stuff is coming out. And then apparently he goes...
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
home and at his house dan rather is waiting to interview him for dan rather's podcast i don't know access or whatever that was right yeah cable yeah and my buddy brendan's friend works for rather and apparently neil young walks in and he come from my house he says i just did a really great interview And Dan Rather, off camera, of course, says, what made it great?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
He goes, the guy was fearless and he wasn't afraid to fail. And I'm like, hey, that's good. That's a good blurb. Wow. But he tested me. He definitely tested me. Wow.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I still got all that. A little more spread out. Before, that was less than 1,000 square feet, one bathroom. If you had to go to the bathroom, you had to go into the same bathroom that I use.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I I get what I get is like, fuck, I forgot to cover the most important thing they're known for. Yeah. But but I interrupt all the time and people sometimes get on me. But it's like for but for me, it's like it's got to be a conversation and I have to be part of it. So suck it up or don't listen. But McCartney was funny. I had to interview him in front of a crowd.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And that was really one of the best moments I've had talking to somebody. because I talked to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing a record and, and a lot of them like Roger Waters or like, I've interviewed a lot of Thomas Dolby, whatever. They think that the record they're out promoting is their best shit. Right. And it's like, all right, I'll play along. So,
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So with McCartney, he's out selling, it was a Capitol records. It was an event, but the record that he had had out was Egypt station or something, which no one bought. But I said to him, I said, so Paul, You know, a lot of artists who were in your age group, they really think that they're doing their best work now. Do you feel that way?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And without missing a beat, he goes, well, I was in the Beatles. So that's a pretty high bar. It was so funny. That's great. And I was the guy that told them that Manson had died. He didn't know.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Beatle was great. And I met Ringo recently, who I'm sure you've met. He's a pretty sweet guy.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, I met him at some odd listening party that I got invited to by T-Bone Burnett of Ringo's new country record. And that crowd was pretty interesting to see these like 75-year-old hippie girls who are still kind of hippie girls, but they're 75. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, just put it out. Yeah. Yeah. T-Bone Burnett produced it. And I think he... Now, Beyonce did. I think she got a little more press. But... Mm-hmm. But no, for me, the North Star, I've had most of them. Springsteen wasn't... Springsteen was funny because, you know... And I just saw him because I did a little part in that movie they're making about him. But I flew... I went to Jersey, dude.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I went to his house in Jersey, like Christmas week, and he just put that book out. And, you know, it turns out he's a very dark dude, very hard on himself, but all this stuff. But like, you know, he's got this thing he does publicly. That's the other trick, getting around people's public personas. Because, you know, Bruce is sort of like, hey, me and the guys went down the boardwalk. Yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, yeah. It's the underbite. I get there. And like I said, he's up in his house. I'm waiting in some sort of like this other structure that's got his guitars, his motorcycle in it. And I'm waiting for Bruce. And he, yeah, he has no idea really. I don't think who I am because he's walking down. He's walking down from the house. His publisher and publicist said, you should do this one.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And he's walking down from the house. I just see him coming down little Bruce. Yeah. And he's holding the book and I'm like, Oh, he doesn't know what he's getting into. So he sits down and I'm just trying, I want to break the ice quick. Cause again, I don't, I'm not, I love Bruce, but I'm not a huge Springsteen fan. So, So I said to him, I said, so, so what's going on up in the house?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I think you can fuck a house. It really just depends on where you enter. I saw a thing on A&E about it.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
We had a preparation for the holidays, cooking and presents. And he goes, correct. And I'm like, can I talk to that guy for the whole hour? Whoever the guy that just went correct with that tone. I want that.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah. I kind of reeled him in because like, I, by inserting myself into the conversation, they kind of, they're forced to kind of reckon with me unless they're complete douchebags like Ben Kingsley.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
It was the worst interview. Like I should have told him to leave. It was that bad. And I don't know why I didn't because he's hung up on me. I'm being called a night. Sir, sir, Ben. And I didn't do that at the beginning. And I wish I said I wish I just said, Sir Ben, we don't have to do this. We don't have to do it.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
But anyway, with Bruce, I kind of pushed in, you know, and to the point where I was relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff. And I just remember there was this moment where, you know, we're talking about what you get from an audience and how like it is. It's like not enough sometimes. And he was like, of course it isn't.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So I had him locked into a real conversation, which, again, I heard from another person. I got some notes on that, too, because Paul Wilkenfeld, you know, the bass player. She's a little prodigy. She plays with everybody.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And she hangs around the store a lot and stuff. Well, she was going on a press tour, and she, I guess, was somewhere with Bruce. And she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers. And, and Bruce told her that no matter what they want to talk about, you just talk about what you want to talk about. Just, you know, bulldoze.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And then she said, well, you know, my friend Mark Marin interviewed you and he said, yeah, he pushed.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
The best dance he does is around his dad probably being a Nazi. That's the great dance because he'll always preempt that with like, you know, I have many Jewish friends, you know, like, okay.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
He has a relationship with the kids, you know, and I think you, after a certain point, you just kind of focus on that because whatever the transgression was, he's, he's owned it and you know, he's, he's, he's good with the kids. So,
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Oh yeah. Well, that was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you do that. He's got a switch in his head. Like he won't even hear it. Like, you know, and he's very charming. Like he, you know, like he, you know, he gets on, he sits down, he goes, look at your pecs.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And you kind of feel flattered. You're like, oh, thank you.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I think most people were still kind of like, what is a podcast exactly? Where do I got to go? Yeah. Totally. It was 2012, right? So it was nowhere. It was 16. Still nowhere. The number of people that used to come to that old house would drive up to my driveway and literally say like, where are we? Is this part of LA? I've never been out here. What are we doing?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I think his heart kind of blew up, didn't it? He had some work done in there.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I don't know what, I think Todd Phillips convinced himself that he was actually an artist of some kind and decided to take this interesting cinematic risk that, you know, you know, failed miserably apparently, but I didn't see it. Did you?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
The interesting thing is, is he, he had a, you know, he'd rebuilt a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character in the first one.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And, you know, uh, it was, I don't know. Yeah. He was nice to me. And that was an exciting day because, you know, I got to do like a little scene with Robert De Niro and, uh, You know, I thought that movie was pretty good, that first Joker. But who the hell knows why? You know, he's a gambler, dude. You know, he just is like, you know, fuck it. Sure. Let's do it. And yeah, I don't know.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Dude, he got a back end on everything. He's like, I think, known for going a director's fee. Super back end guy. Yeah, for a high percentage of the back end. But that scene with De Niro was like, that was, that was a great, that's a great moment for me because, you know, I, you know, I know that De Niro is not, he's not going to remember me.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
You know, I'm just one of those guys that he's met a hundred guys that do two lines with him. Right.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah. And I know it's painful, but, but we're chatting and whatever, you know, but it's one scene where we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm supposed to be like, you know, his producer.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
It got cut out, but, uh, but then, you know, we, you know, Todd's there and Bob's there and it's like, you guys just want to go, you're ready to do it. And I'm like, yeah, let's, yeah, let's do one. So, so we do this walk and talk and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, uh, yeah. And Phillips goes, cut. And I go back to my chair and I see Robert go to his chair.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And I see Robert walk over to Todd and then walk back to his chair. And then Todd walks over to me and he goes, hey, you're coming in a little hot. Just remember Bob's your boss. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I got it. But you got to appreciate the fact that Bob handled it correctly on set. He wasn't told the director like, Hey, you know, I think he said, you know, he's, he's not really.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
That's interesting though, right? That's interesting because she said, kiss me like she's your girlfriend. But apparently the intimacy of the hand touch was not something she anticipated. Or maybe she just has never had a boyfriend that she let touch her face. Yes.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
You never know what's going to happen with those things, you know?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah. Rich Voss was right after Obama. That was tough to get him out. Yeah. It gets hard sometimes.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, yeah. I'm improvising. Can we improvise?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, I don't know if I said something to piss him off, but it was like, come on, dude. You know, it's like, just roll with me. Give me something. For fuck's sake. I got to look at your face for an hour. So... He's got a lot of character in his face. He's a great character. It's not a negative thing necessarily. It's intense. Not necessarily. It's an intense face to stare at for an hour.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
But no, in terms of nerves, I think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing these people. Because after a certain number of celebrities you talk to, you're like, wow, they're just people. And some of them aren't even that interesting. So knowing that going in... It's true. And it's not a bad thing, but I seem to qualify a lot of things. That's not negative. No, it's positive.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
We just thought it was appropriate to continue what we were doing. We did one episode where me and my producer discussed the day of having Obama on the podcast, and we went right to Rich. And Rich is going to pull what he's going to pull. It's somewhere lower middle. It's okay.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I'd like to talk to him, but he's one of those guys I can't get. There are certain directors that are hard to get. He's got more chatty. Who are we talking about? I missed it. Bob De Niro. Oh, but like in terms of nerves, I was more nervous when I had to... I just did an indie where I had to play the lead. And that was a real... I was nervous about that because...
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors, and I was pretty confident. And then I had to do a scene with Sharon Stone, and it was a life-changing, terrifying thing that was kind of amazing. And I was nervous to do a scene with her. She's kind of intimidating. She's a big star. That's a big star. Big dude. Big star.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I think I got to save the story for when and if the movie ever comes out because I told it and I don't want to necessarily spoil anything. But she did the movie because she likes me. And it's one scene. And it was great. And Lily Gladstone was in it. Alan Ruck.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
michael mckean played my manager um love him yeah the what's his name jason is it jason no it's not jason no the kid from um oh now i feel bad oh he was so fucking funny silver spoons bateman no you know the one who used to do the apple commercials was involved with you barrymore for justin long justin long oh justin long
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
No, no, I'm not in the business of sandbagging people. It's not our jam. That's our business. Well, that's good. I hope I gave you enough ammo. Just a little sand. Not enough for a bag. Almost always, I would say always, it's only because they said something about somebody else. That probably couldn't have even been taken in a negative way. It's never...
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
we like them yeah like just like you know i didn't have to say that about you know we're kind of friends yeah yeah yeah it comes off funny and then later they go what if they get mad or what yeah yeah and people do get mad everyone's talking too much that's the problem with everyone having a fucking podcast it's like you know actors you know are just coming out with like well 20 years ago it's like oh my god we can't get out from under this thing no one shuts up anymore
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah. Or people talking about moments they had with people like 20 years ago. Not even that. Just like awkward moments. And it's like, why'd you even have to do that? I mean, what was the point? Oh, yeah, yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Right. Well, no, that's a problem. But with Robin, trending hadn't happened yet. So, and it was quite a lot of hoops to jump there just to get him to do it. And yeah, You know, it just worked out because I was a comic and I'm also like a dark side and there was no one else there that we got this conversation. And thank God we did, because it seems to be the only one.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
He literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide at the end. Both him and Jonathan Winters did riffs on suicide at their interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to talk to him.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I don't know if he... I don't know if he thought about it like that. Rich is a good guy. I don't think he gives a shit.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Jonathan Winters. He passed away in character, which is weird. So it's not clear whether he really dies.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
He was out there, dude. He was like out there. I had a beautiful moment with him in his house. I always tell the story. I don't know if it really lands. So that's a good setup.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And you're talking, you know, he's like, he's got this sort of weird, you know, childlike, you know, thing that, you know, he, in his house, they had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling around with a cane and he wore a, like a union army colonels brimmed hat. But we, we were walking down this hallway. He wanted to show me, What he said, I want to show you the planes, right?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So what that ultimately was is that he has this four-poster bed in this bedroom and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes, right? That's the destination we're heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway past just pictures from a career in show business. There's Jonathan Winters in every star you could imagine.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And then he stops and he points to this old-ass picture of this boy with a puppy. And he goes, I miss that dog. And I was like, oh my gosh. You know, like this whole life of entertainment. And that's what, you know, the dog, he's a little kid. Sweet, right? That's supposed to be sad, David.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Here I am here. Have you watched any of those? Not the Dean Martin roasts, but there's footage somewhere. I don't know where I found it. Some streaming service of actual Friars Club roasts. That were done. Oh, yeah. I might have seen one. It's always the same guys. And it's not a great day as Henny Youngman's always there. And they literally have him on.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
It was really like Carolla was there. Rogan, I don't think started at the same. I think Rogan started a little after us. But like Jimmy Pardo was there. Benson was probably there. Maybe Hardwick was like starting out. But I think Rogan started a little after me. But there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts. You know, Todd Gloss is good at not making money.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he doesn't roast anybody. He just does his horrible jokes. So they just have him on to bust his balls. What was so interesting about so many of those is just how horribly unfunny some of them are.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah. If you wrote it all down, you couldn't find a funny joke in there. Look at this. Is that no, that suit come with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck. What does that mean? Yeah. Right.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, that's it. He was very funny. Give him a cookie. Yeah, the funniest line he used to live, when he did those roasts and there were some of the old Hollywood guys there, like Cary Grant or Jimmy Stewart, he would say, Jimmy, I talked to the family, you're doing fine.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Jimmy, do you know where you are? Yeah. Do you ever see that? The Clint Eastwood roast? He said one of the funniest things and the most honest thing I ever heard. It was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI big, you know, it wasn't a roast. The tribute. So he gets up, he says, you know, he opens with, I don't know why I'm here. I thought this was a tribute to Merv Griffin or whatever.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
But they've had a whole evening at this point. And he says, what a wonderful evening. He says, Clint, your son played bass. We sat through that.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Everyone kind of laughs. They had to cut to the kids who took it well in the moment, but probably not great.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
He's so funny. That older Rickles on Letterman with Denzel Washington, that is, that's so funny.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Well, you know, it was a little post that, but he just kept busting on Letterman, mumbling. He just he wouldn't let up on Letterman. Like Letterman opens with like you and Frank have been friends a long time and both your wives are named Barbara. Right. And Rickles goes, what are you, a detective? Yeah, I've seen that.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Those are good. Yeah, they're great because it was like everybody in Hollywood. It felt like Hollywood was like a nice little town full of these special people. And now they just let anyone in. Have you been roasted on the... Any of these roasts.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I don't mind being roasted. I had one of the worst nights of my life on the dais of the Chevy Chase Road. Oh, that's a famous one, right? Oh, you were at that one? Yeah, I was one of the guys. And, you know, all I can say, I could say more. But after that, I was in a room at that that fucking Hilton in New York with my buddy Sam, almost on the verge of tears, thinking like, I can't do this.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I can't do comedy anymore. I can't do it anymore. It was so fucking I bombed so hard, so hard. And I'm not good at that. I'm better at that.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I don't have the distance necessary to make it funny, but I had good jokes and thank God they sweetened the fuck out of it. But in the room, I tanked hard and so did a lot of people.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
He didn't want to be there. Yeah. He didn't want to be there.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And so- We got 20 guys writing jokes about everyone in this fucking room.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
But Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
There's our trender. There's our trender. Thank you.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Teflon's a diplomatic word for her. I can't think of a- Yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
No, I think that's Todd's whole plan in general is to try to get ahead of making the money.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I don't mind getting hit. You know, I don't think I'm in the position, so everybody wise, to ever get roasted as an evening. But I don't mind. Here's a couple minutes roasting Mark Barron.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I seem to be pretty disengaged from Twitter. I don't do the other ones that much. I'll look at Instagrams and occasionally I'll look at messages or posts on Instagram. But I don't... And I do get emails sometimes, but I... I got out of that because they all, you know, a troll that's worth his salt is going to really hit you where it hurts.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So, you know, and, you know, when you read them, the part of your brain that lives in this real, the real world we live in goes like, well, that's just part of it. But the really is sort of like, Jesus Christ, is that fucking true? And then you've got to process that. I don't have, I can't detach from it, but they land, but not for that long.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I can't watch my producer. He gives you notes. I can watch my own special. No, but my producer, like since we're still audio and that's our game, he's very meticulous, very brilliant guy. But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast and only having memory of the conversation is, Like, you know, that's fleeting. You know, you can only remember certain things from conversation.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So if I ever have a question about something I discuss with somebody, my producer has become like my active memory because he spends a few hours with it and he remembers everything. And he's like, well, you talked to so-and-so about that. I have no recollection. And so I really need him just to be, you know, my functioning memory of these things.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah. And... The odd thing about the whole undertaking was none of us really, there was really no money to be made. You know, Adam was like doing his radio show. So he was kind of subsidized somehow.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
i know that's left over i didn't talk to the producer i already asked that question okay you give us two movies three days of the condor or alien oh wow yeah well you know you kind of kind of have to go with alien on those two i mean three days the condor is great but like i i would imagine you probably get a little more if you if you really kind of uh
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, that was great. I've been watching a lot of movies. I'll go to the theater to watch movies. Like, I like going to the movies because I'm pretty close to the Americana. And I'll go see shit. And I watch the old movies. Like, I just watched The Conversation again because I didn't really get it the first time. I should watch that again.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah, well, look at you with the fucking Google.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Uh, no, but like, I remember seeing it years ago and I was like, this is slow because I didn't lock in, but like Gene Hackman doing almost anything. He's kind of amazing. It's unbelievable.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
It's like a Sidney Pollack movie. I mean, people don't realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made. So that's a full-on, just because it's a Grisham book, doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. I mean, Pollack did that movie, and the cast was crazy. Yeah. Crazy cast. Doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. Yeah, true. Well, what was the other one?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I mean, Coppola directed The Rainmaker and that's another one that's fucking great. Another John Grissom book. Yeah, but that's like, it's Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Mickey Rourke.
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Marc Maron
No, that's another one. That was, it was earlier, but the firm is, the firm is great. Terry, Terry Keeney. Yeah. It's great. And Wilford Brimley, Wilford Brimley. Oh, Wilford Brimley.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Gary Busey. And, and what's her name? The genius actress. Uh, Holly Hunter. It's not Gene Triplehorn. Oh, Holly Hunter. Gene Triplehorn, yeah. Triplehorn.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Fucking Ed Harris is in it too. It's an insane cast.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
He was all worked up and, you know, he was going to take his stories about, you know, drywalling from 20 years ago elsewhere. Yeah.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
No kidding, dude. But what else did I watch recently? I tend to watch, like, lately I've been like, I just want to watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs, you know? And then I'll be up till two in the morning watching the whole fucking movie. Mm-hmm. I watched the other guys the other night just because I wanted to watch the beginning to get a laugh from those two. Will Ferrell.
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Marc Maron
It's so fun. Yeah, that thing with The Rock. And what's his name? Mark Wahlberg. No, The Rock and what's the- Sam Jackson. Sam Jackson jumping off the roof. That is hilarious. And the two of them together. When Wahlberg focuses, man, he's good at comedy. He can do it, dude.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
How's this movie with you and Theo Vaughn? What's that about?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Don't go around and say- He seems like he's got enough juice. I mean, someone will see it, but I thought Burt had enough juice too to put his little movie over the top, but I don't think it got there. But I mean, you know, people will watch it. People like Theo, they like you. What comedies are just live streaming now?
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Marc Maron
We're going- So old. That reminds me of like when- One time I was like, this is in the last five years. I was at the comedy store. Right. And out of the darkness, like Steve Kravitz just emerges. Steve Kravitz. Yeah. He's still here, dude. I saw him the other night and he's okay. You know, he's okay. Oh, good. It's funny. Yeah. He was funny.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
But like, I just remember he was like, it was like, you know, he's 70 something now, but it was just a few years ago. And he's like, I don't know how the business works anymore. Like, Hey, where do I set my tape? And I'm like, maybe the 1985? Maybe he sent the tape?
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Marc Maron
Oh, my God. I remember there was a booking agency in Boston called Boston Comedy Company. Barry Katz used to run it out of the basement apartment in a building in Alston. And one of the women who would get tape submissions and she she was dating somebody like we knew, like we got hold of a couple of the tapes. And there's this one tape of a guy that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And he's doing jokes and he's got a friend dropping a phonograph needle onto a laughter of a laughter track on a record.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So you would do a joke and you'd literally hear the needle drop. Oh, funny. Pulled back up again.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
So, Oh, well that's nice to hear. I definitely, I did the work on that one. Like, cause like, I don't know how, like I, I always wanted to act, but I know I'm okay at it and I got better, but I still never, I'm still like, it's, it's, it's not, it's not necessarily an exciting job. I mean, there's a lot of waiting around, which makes me crazy for sure. But like, I was trying with that movie.
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Marc Maron
I didn't want to do it. And the director kept bothering me because I was still kind of fucked up. It was during COVID, you know, Lynn had passed away and, you know, they were, The guy kept bothering me, you know, and it's it's the role is like this kind of slightly beaten up Texan guy. And I'm thinking like you get like nine, nine or 20 fucking cowboy character actors. You can get to do this.
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Marc Maron
Why me? And, you know, finally he gets through, he gets me on the phone. He's like, well, I really liked the last season of Marin. I'm like, oh, so you do like me. All right, I'll try. And I told him, I don't know about the accent. He said, don't worry about the accent. And then I realized like, dude, if you're going to do this, you know, take a risk. No one's going to see this movie.
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Marc Maron
It shoots in like two weeks on film out in the desert here. So I worked with a dialect coach. And this is funny. You'll probably get it, Dana. Yeah, you will too, I guess. Because it's just a reference that no one fucking gets. But I'm talking to the dialect coach. And I'm like, how do I do a Texan accent? She's like, well, there really is no Texan accent specifically.
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Marc Maron
But I think we'll do Lubbock. And I'm like... OK, love it. So he sends me, you know, the phonetics and then she sends me some tapes of what I think are the Lubbock accent. And it's just like like a few like behind the scenes Grammy interviews with Mac Davis. And I'm like, this is the only example of Mac Davis. Yeah. Oh yeah.
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Marc Maron
Yeah. He's a good, he's a funny actor too, but, but yeah, I appreciate someone saying that. Cause I definitely put the work in and I was willing to fail with the accent, but I think I did. All right. And the only reason I had confidence to do that was before I interviewed James Kahn, I was watching movies. of the early movies of his.
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Marc Maron
And all these guys try accents and very few of them are any good at it. So I'm like, well, fuck it. If he's going to take the hit, I can take the hit, you know? Yeah.
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Marc Maron
Yeah, no, but the good thing about when you guys got in is somebody realized, like, hey, you guys have names you can't lose. Before, it was like, who the fuck are these guys?
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Marc Maron
you know, it's, I'm glad I've had all the opportunity and I, and I keep trying to get better. What can you do?
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Yeah. Well, the joy thing, that's a whole other thing. I mean, less miserable, less miserable. And in terms of like talking about SNL, I didn't get it.
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Marc Maron
I don't think anybody really realizes the, the excitement in, you know, when you, when, when Corolla was like the only game in town, like, I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes on to Corolla's show to be talked at by Corolla. Right. That's a good hour of entertainment where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says, okay, well, thanks for coming by.
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Marc Maron
It's something to be experienced. We're working on that.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Hold on. I'm watching my cat throw up. Don't eat plastic.
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Marc Maron
Well... No, I'm kidding. I didn't check. What happened was... There was, like, at the beginning, you either had, if you were going to put up a paywall, you couldn't get new audience, right? So we had done a radio show.
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Marc Maron
Yeah, goodbye wall. No one welcome. Right. Let's put up a goodbye wall on ours, Dan. You can do it. Well, that was before the, what is it called? What's that thing everyone does where they can get a pay page? Pantheon or what is it? Oh, Raytheon. We all don't know. You know that. I know what you mean. Patreon. Patreon.
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Marc Maron
yeah so what we did was we had like two advertisers from the old radio days it was sex toys it was like adam and eve sex toys and we had crazy eddie's electronics that kind of thing but then we had the coffee sponsor but there was there was really no way to to to make money and except for the old school radio way and then ultimately we started working with old-timey radio ad people.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And then Jeff Ulrich and Scott Aukerman put Midroll together and the Earwolf Network. And that created a platform to get advertisers into specifically podcasting. So everyone sort of came up together, but it wasn't until I guess, hey, Charlie, get away from the plastic. Charlie, I'm going to throw you out, stupid. So that's how you talk to a cat, by the way.
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Marc Maron
I don't know. It was a slow going, but the great thing about it was everybody kind of came up together, sort of like show business. Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all went along, and then big money got involved, and then some people won, and some people did okay. Come on.
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Marc Maron
Hold on, let me get him out of here. Let me get him out of here. This cat is magic.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I know. Get out. You can eat plastic and throw up. I don't care.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
But yeah, I mean, it took a long time to really get it together and then to to make a living. It took years for my producer to come on with me permanently. He was actually had another job at MSNBC while he was kind of moonlighting and he couldn't even admit that he worked with me.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
because there's a non-disclosure you couldn't you know he couldn't um oh i see yeah it was it was part of his contract with msnbc and i felt horrible about it because he's doing half the work and i and i just had to be like well i have a mystery guy that uh helps me with this i send it into the ether once or twice a week it's good more attention on you that's not horrible yeah yeah sometimes not for not great for me
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Marc Maron
Well, I think the exciting part about it was as the podcast situation grew, I was doing a type of interview that not many people were doing anymore. So the entertainment press sort of realized I was doing most of their job. So we got a lot of attention. But I was really focused on having these conversations and trying to... you know, make amends where necessary.
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Marc Maron
I think the first hundred episodes are me just having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them. And that's... And it's weird how many times you do that and people go like, I had no idea what you're talking about. And you're like, I'm a fucking idiot. So... So that was how that unfolded.
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Marc Maron
But the excitement of having Robin on, because that interview seems to be like the only interview like that. Like when he died, it was everywhere because he never talked like that. And those kind of rare conversations definitely happened.
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Marc Maron
That's hilarious. That was the amends. It wasn't even like some personal affront. It's like, I know you might've called your dick, Mr. Happy. Oh, that's the best amends I've ever heard in my life.
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Marc Maron
It stuck with him. Well, the funny thing about that interview is I drove up there to Mill Valley to his house. And what I realized, it was the same with Mel Brooks, is that if they don't have more than two people to play to, they're not going to turn it on like that. Like it was just me and Robin. If there had been one other person there, they would have had the Carnegie Hall set.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I just want to stop the momentum. My dick's name is, you got this. You got it.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
my obsession with it what's your question david i i'd like to converse this one will we we can do this first or snl first but mine was why did you start it was it only to make amends was that to start a podcast no because you know i was kind of down for the count you know it turns out that you know 50 conans don't don't necessarily don't add up to a carson an audience.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
And I don't even know, like I could, I never could pull an audience. And, and you know, I was, I was going through a divorce. I was in a dark place. I just gotten fired from this radio gig. Well, it was, it was a streaming gig for air America. And there were a couple of podcasts out there and we were like, well, let's, let's figure it out.
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
I talked to my producer who I've known since he was a kid, uh, 24 years old. He worked with me forever and we just figured it out, but it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow. Cause I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, be comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner and match game. Well, maybe, uh,
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
yeah i know i know i have friends that are in that mid-level market and there's cruise ships and old books homes and clubs off label clubs out in the hindrance doing what you gotta do tough but i couldn't do it there was no way i could have done it how am i gonna do a cruise ship i can barely do like what i don't know but because of the podcast because of the cosmic timing or what
Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade
Marc Maron
Everything that I have now came from that. Like, you know, doing the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy, acting gigs. Everything happened because of that sort of act of desperation and Hail Mary pass, which had no future. There was no, I wasn't getting into a business that was like, this is going to, we're going to really make some money on this.
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Marc Maron
Since you did it? Because it looks familiar. This is a different house, but the stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all the stuff from that original garage is in this room.
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Well, I told Astrid. Astrid went to Shakira last night. Shakira? Oh, wow. But first I want to say this. Endless Day went off pretty much without a hitch. We did build it up to be some long, dramatic thing. It was going to be like we were scratching to get to the last minute. And it really didn't feel like that big of a deal at the end of the day.
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I didn't leave the studio for nine hours, but we did take breaks, so it felt okay. It felt like there was some breathing room. But here's the point. Thank you to everybody who called and texted and wrote in and gave us a little fuel for the tank to move on to the next episode.
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So, thank you very much. And we will be announcing here shortly that we will be doing more Twitch live streaming recording in the future. Maybe once, maybe twice a month. So stay tuned at TCB Podcast on Twitch if you just want to follow us and hit the notifications so that when we do decide to go live. But we will keep you informed on at the commercial break on Instagram.
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Okay, so Astrid's birthday. In December, there are three concerts that are announced. Two of which we really want to go to. Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam und Shakira. I don't want to go to Shakira. I want to go to Pearl Jam. Astrid doesn't want to go to Pearl Jam. She wants to go to Shakira. But Astrid doesn't have someone that's like a super Shakira fan to go with her.
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And it's going to be just as hard to get tickets to Shakira as it is to see Pearl Jam. Because Shakira is the Taylor Swift of everywhere else in the world. She really is. She's a superstar. Mega superstar. People scream and yell and wait in line for days to see that shaky little booty. That girl... Hips can't lie. Those hips don't lie. So, get online to go get Pearl Jam tickets.
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But I've got brothers that are going to also be online to get Pearl Jam tickets. They're all going on sale the same day, in the same time. And the... The absolute gem of a husband that I am. I decide let my brothers knock out Pearl Jam if they can. Let me try to get Shakira tickets for my lovely wife.
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And I do. Und ich bekomme die selben Tickets wie Shakira, die mein Bruder in den Pearl Jam bekommen hat. Oh, die sehr oberen.
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Aber sie sind die einzigen Tickets, die ich bekommen kann. Das ist schnell. Der Ticketmeister ist so verdammt konvolut, dass ich, sobald ich sie holen kann, ich bin so, okay, ich glaube, es gibt andere Säle. Ja. but I'm afraid to lose the two that I have in the basket. So I'm like, just check out. And then you can figure it out later.
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If you want to upgrade the seats, you go to one of those off-market sites. Hey, brother.
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Got those tickets. Astrid comes home. Happy Birthday. You're going to Shakira.
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I'm going with you. Don't worry. I'm your ride or die. I've been to Taylor Swift. I've been to the Jonas Brothers. I've been to concerts where I can barely pronounce the names of the artists. I've been to Luis Fonse. You know? Okay? I'm deep. I'm deep in the Venezuelans. Yes, I'm deep in the Venezuelan culture.
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I one time went to a Venezuelan restaurant, like 20 miles outside of where I live, so it was like 50 miles outside of the city. I went to a restaurant where they literally took the tables and chairs and put them to the side and put rows of chairs to see a former boy band from Venezuela, a bunch of brothers, get up and do two hours acapella in a restaurant. That they just put a bunch of chairs on.
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It was like... I didn't know a fucking thing. I didn't know a fucking word. And I didn't know a fucking human being in there. But I went because that's my wife. And she is excited. And I'm going to make sure that she has a good time. Even if it's not my thing, I don't care. That's what we do. That's what you do with a good partner. And she has been to Pearl Jam, Phish, and those two.
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But to be fair to Astrid, I have been living here all my life. There are people that I know that can go with me to these concerts. Astrid has lots of friends here now, but she didn't back then, so I would be her ride or die. Okay. So that concert was Monday, right?
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And last week, we're dropping the kids off at camp and we see a lady that we know, another Hispanic lady that we know that's friends with the family, Gabby, Gabrielle, okay? Lovely lady. She's taught a number of our children. She's a teacher, super awesome human being, the kind of person you just want around in your life because she's just that kind of human being. Yeah.
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So we see Gabby and Astrid spends some time with Gabby and then Astrid comes home from spending time with Gabby and I'm going to tell you about what happened after these messages. I would have gotten this all in before the break had we not had some power explosion. So hopefully we'll be back after this.
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Okay, so every single married couple and probably couples that aren't married, been together for some period of time, any period of time, really, three months, eight months, nine months, start to understand a small change in the tone of voice, the way they breathe, the way they walk, the way they swing their arms.
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The way their eyeballs are moving, you start to pick up on body language and you know. It's just like, I was telling this story the other day to a pregnant girl at Starbucks. It's her first pregnancy. She's early on. It's early days. She's like four or five months pregnant. Maybe it's not early days. It's days. And she's having, you know, it's not the easiest pregnancy in the world.
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And every time I go up there and I see her, she says, Hey, how you doing? Hi, how you doing? And I check in. Hey, I feel like my back hurts. And I go, yeah, you're literally getting ripped open. Does she work there?
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She's working there. And so I said to her, she was talking to me about the concerns about birth. And I said, about labor. And I said, you know, I don't think it really often happens the way it's pictured on TV, like water breaks, you're screaming all of a sudden. I think a lot of times it's like a slow build-up and you already know long before the action is going to happen.
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I'm sure for a lot of women the water breaks and it is like that, but I don't think it's like that for everybody. Because that's what she was saying.
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Astrid was in labor with our first one for like 18 hours.
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Mm-hmm. Aber... Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. So Astrid comes in the door the other day after being with Gabriela and she pops open the door and I say, oh honey, welcome home, like I always do. Welcome home, my love. You look beautiful today. I'm so happy you came back through the threshold of the door. I've missed you so much. What can I do to make your life easier? Back massage? Foot massage?
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Can I take the kids for a couple of hours? Like I always do. And she says, yeah, it was great, it was wonderful, Gabby's great. I have an idea. And when she said that, the way that she said that, I already knew, I'm getting fucked. Something's happening here, I'm getting fucked. That idea does not include me. Something about something happened, and I'm gonna get the small end of the dick.
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You know what I'm saying? I have an idea. And I was like, okay, how much is it? What are we going to do? How long do I have to watch the children? Or where are we driving? And she said, well, I was talking to Gabby and she really likes Shakira. And so she thought, If you thought that you didn't want to go see Shakira because, you know, we know you don't like Shakira all that much.
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She's already convincing me that I don't like Shakira. And in my mind, I had already said to myself, watching Shakira shake her ass for two hours is not exactly the worst thing in the world. No offense. She's got a beautiful female form and she knows how to work it. And she does that. Part of the reason why she's so world famous is because that's what she's known for.
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Along with the singing and the great music, she's known to shake her patootie. That's what happens at a Shakira concert. God love it. And then I also knew that it's just going to be a room full of happy people dancing their patooties off. Of all the stuff I've seen with Astrid, including the restaurant boy band, this could be the least of my concerns. I can deal with this.
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And I thought to myself, okay, here it comes. Gabby said, if you don't want to go because you don't like Shakira all that much, she really likes Shakira and she would be happy to take your ticket. And I thought to myself, well, this is a no-win situation that she's putting me in right here. I could say, no, I really want to go with you. And then she could say, yeah, of course, I know, I know.
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Frankly, you're not always the funniest comedy podcast out there. You don't always have the most interesting topics. Your guest interviews are not always the most organized or in-depth. Your show can be scattered and muddy. But that is exactly why we all love it. You are literally building the plane while you're flying it. It is living and breathing and organic.
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And then she, in her head, is going to be just a little bit pissed off. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. So there's going to be, you know, 28,000 people in there screaming in Spanish about whatever.
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¿Cómo están mis amigos? Or I could say, sure, absolutely sounds like a good idea. And then Astrid in her head is going to go, he never wanted to go in the first place. He's just doing this to pacify me. The double-edged sword.
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In my head. In her head. Just give up the ticket. Just give up the ticket. Just give up the ticket, you dum-dum. Then we don't need a babysitter. Exactly. Then we don't need a babysitter. Then I can go have actual fun at the concert.
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Right? But in my head, I'm like, oh, this is a husband quandary. It's like, do I look fat in this? Of course not.
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Oh, I was triple thinking it. I was down a rabbit hole for a few seconds there. But then I was like, okay, pretend like you want to go, but be the hero.
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That was a good move. Yes. So I said, oh, you know, I was looking forward to spending time with you. Yeah, it's not my favorite artist in the world. And I don't know a ton of her music. But I was really looking forward to it. You know? That's what I said. I go, you know? Like a puppy dog. I get the hands and the puppy dog look. I'm like, eh? And she goes, you know what? You're right. That's fine.
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I told Gabby, he's probably gonna go. So don't worry about it. Let's go. We're gonna have a great time. And then I'm like, uh-oh. Chance is slipping away. Chance is slipping away to get out of the Shakira concert. And I said, yeah, you're right. You're right. We should go. We'll have a good time. Play this out for a few minutes, Brian. Play it out for a few minutes. Okay. Okay, all right.
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And then we go our separate ways. I had to go somewhere. I was out the door. And then we're texting with each other about an hour later. And then I wait for a pregnant pause. And I put together the text message that's going to win me marriage points probably for the next year. I said, you know what? I was thinking about it as I'm at the tanning bed.
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She's going to get mad at me for being at the tanning bed. So, I'm gonna soften it up a little bit. I say, you know, I was thinking about it. I really do want you to have a good time at Shakira.
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And I know that it's important to you to have somebody with you that knows Shakira like you know Shakira and enjoys Shakira like you enjoy Shakira and can sing along and do all the things and you can take pictures and buy merch and all that with the same level of excitement that you have. So, go ahead, tell Gabby. And she responds right away, are you sure?
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It is sloppy and sharp and confused and focused and hapless and perfect and a total train wreck where the wheels happen to stay on the track. Dein Show ist all of those things. All of those things that we need and a lot of the things we don't.
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And then I said, listen, I really want to spend time with you. Ding, ding, ding. I really want to spend time, which I do, but maybe not as Shakira, but I do. I really want to spend time with you, but it's okay. Go ahead, go with Gabby. If you don't call her and tell her, I will. You're so dramatic.
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Oh mein Gott. So, Astrid comes home. So, I babysit the kids last night.
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A couple of hours before the show, Astrid, I had sent the tickets to her and Astrid checks the seats and she's like, oh my God, these are like the very last row. And I go, well, I didn't say they were good tickets. I said they were tickets. Yeah, they are in the building at least. And she said, no, no, no, you're right. You know, she's trying to play it off. You're right. We're going to have fun.
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Und ich sagte, hör mal, wenn es nicht viel Geld ist, dann checkst du einen der Ticketvergleichs und bekommst einen Upgrade. Geh in den niedrigeren Ball oder was auch immer. Pay a couple hundred dollars and get them there. Well, she goes and she checks. And there are tickets in the same section, a couple of rows up from where Astrid is going to be sitting.
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And they are selling for five or six hundred dollars a piece. And she tells me this. Und ich habe gesagt, können wir die Tickets verkaufen? Ja, kann niemand in die Show gehen?
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Ja, ich werde die Kinder an diesem Ende des Hauses verabschieden und wir werden Shakira auf YouTube hier auf dieser Seite des Hauses stellen. Du kannst alle Freunde, die du willst, verabschieden. Ihr könnt euren eigenen Shakira-Konzert hier haben, weil das 1200 Dollar, das ist verrückt. Das ist verrückt. Das ist verrückt. But she went. She had a great time. I watched the kids. Little to no drama.
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As soon as she left the door, almost all the kids were asleep, which never happens. Never, ever, ever. But she doesn't get home until like 12, you know, 12 at night, 1230 at night. And so I went straight from Endless Day to I mean, come on, what did you think? I was not going to treat myself after all. I got no sun on Saturday, I had to get some sun on Sunday.
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No, I actually didn't go to the tanning bed on Sunday, but I watched the kids, we took them out to the pool, did the thing, yada, yada, yada, yada. Und dann rollt es direkt ins Gestern. Du weißt, TCB, Klassik, wir machen alle Videos für den endlosen Tag. Dann all die Nacht. Und dann bin ich hier wieder früh für ein anderes Interview.
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TCBs endloses Tag ist nur eine Beschreibung für TCB im Allgemeinen. Das ist es. Es endet nie.
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Und wir sind zurück. Mercifully, not for long. Not for 12 hours today.
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Oh yeah, cats and kittens, welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green, this is my dear friend and the co-host of this show, Chris and Joy Holdley. Best to you, Chris. Best to you, Brian. Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Thanks for joining us. Here we are, back and alive and kicking after Brian put out a two-hour best of best of classic. Two hours long. That's crazy.
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Agreeing to go to Disney World for five days. I love Disney World. Love it. I'm not a Disney adult per se. Like I don't go that crazy.
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Yeah, I'm past Disney adult. Actually, I think I'm right on the edge.
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Yeah, you're at the edge. I'm not going to wear the ears.
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I don't buy the merch. Yeah, I don't do all that. I just like to go to Disney World. I do think in some sense it's a magical place. It reminds me of good times when I was a child and a teenager and in my 20s and in my 30s and in my 40s. Yeah, I've been a lot. And every time I go, it gets a little bit more stressful because it's a little bit more crowded. It's a little less...
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Have fun at a theme park and a little bit more like what's on the spreadsheet next, right?
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It very much is. And if you don't do that, you're not going to get the most out of a very expensive vacation. But I love Disney World. I love the Disney cruises. I love everything about it.
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So, they're always changing. They just announced a billion dollar investment into the parks down there. Like, there's a lot of stuff that's going on that's coming up. But now it's just mainly things that are closed, so they make room for those things.
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Yeah, Universal has that new epic universe. That's what it is. But I hear they're having all kinds of troubles with that. Really? Yeah, like brides breaking down, things not working. Some people went, they bought tickets to go to like the, you know, a restaurant opens, they have like preview weeks.
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Soft opening, where you go in, you eat at a very low or free price, but they're training the staff and the cooks and the chefs and the busboys and everybody. They're training everybody. So they give you free food so that they have a dress rehearsal, but you can't get pissed when everything turns out terrible, right?
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We're still practicing. Universal did the same thing with their new park. But they offered very discounted tickets and then they limited the tickets so that it's not super crowded. You can go in, but don't expect any magic because it may or may not happen. The rides may or may not be working. Things may or may not be clean or in order. It's just a dry run. Well, apparently some people were...
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Extra pissed. As for almost two days in a row, none of the rides were working. None of the rides were working. No. They paid. They got in. None of the rides were working. Why would they even open it? It's a very complicated... These are all state-of-the-art rides, right? And they're brand new. And they're just bound to have hiccups. Every new ride does.
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The difference between Disney World and Universal is that Disney would have tested the whole... It takes Disney... It took Universal four years to build this huge brand new theme park, this multi-billion dollar theme park. It would have taken Disney a decade to do that. Here's why.
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Because Disney would have made sure that every fucking thing was working six ways to Sunday before they ever let a guest see it. That Star Wars land, they kind of rushed that open.
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No, the hotel closed. Because no one wants to be locked into an underground chamber with fucking Jar Jar Binks for 10 days. Drinking fruity pineapple space bubbles. No one gives a shit.
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So if you didn't listen to Tuesday's episode, who can blame you? There were like 13 of them over the weekend. Um, but Tuesday's TCB Classic was a TCB Best Of from early Season 2. I think I mistakenly said Season 1, but it was Season 2. Where I had put together, it was like our first or second Best Of. I had put together all of the times we had done a Frankie B video into one long Supercut.
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Listen, I'm a Disney fan, but you could have seen that one coming down the tracks. Ja, und es war super teuer. Ja, und es war super teuer. Ja, genau. Ja. I just think that it either had to be much better, it had to be done much better, much shorter or much differently for it to work, but a small building with a bunch of dressed up people running around telling you to do a scavenger hunt.
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Anyway. I forgot what I was talking about. Yes, I'm going on vacation. I'm gonna go on vacation. I'm gonna take the kids. I want the kids to experience the same kind of magic that I did. But part of me believes... We did this in Paris. We went to Disneyland Paris for the kids birthday a couple of years ago. Very excited about this. Much smaller parks, much less crowded, much different.
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It's just in general different. Same kind of flavor, magic, cleanliness, all that stuff you expect from Disney, but it's just different. It just is. It's in Paris, for God's sakes.
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But I realized about part of the way through the trip, as I'm looking around, as kids are crying, screaming, throwing up, everybody's just kind of in some state of disarray, that I wonder if sometimes this is a little bit of sensory overload.
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So that's my relaxing vacation. We go down there and we're going to relax. Nice and relaxed. Nice and relaxed. We honestly almost planned an extra five days afterwards at a beach condo. Just to decompress. Just to get away from all the noise and the sounds. Just so we could feel like we actually went on vacation. But then we realized it doesn't matter where we go. We have 13 children.
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We're not getting away from it. So might as well just get back home and relax. Try and relax here. Anyway, listen, we got some great... Are y'all driving or flying? Oh, drive, please. Flying is crazy expensive these days. It really is. I mean, and it's not that bad of a drive from Atlanta. Six and a half hours. Probably eight hours by the time we get done with it. Oh, ja.
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By the time you leave the house, all the bags, get there, check in, pack up, get all your bags checked in, go through security, tuck everybody in, do the whole nine yards. You could have driven to Disney World, right? It's about a six-hour thing. It's a two-hour flight down to Orlando, hour and a half. You have to add an hour and a half onto each end to get to and from. It's six hours.
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So I don't, I just mother, I'd rather drive. And that way, if anything happens and the kids get upset... Right.
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Yeah, the car. It's not like an old man. I'm going to Disney World. You know, which is something some people don't ever get a chance to do. So I'm not trying to sound... I know that Disney is kind of your Wally World. Oh, it's definitely my Wally World. And I am definitely Clark Griswold when it comes to a road trip to Disney World. I'm like, oh, Marty Moose. Let's go. Grandma's dead.
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And it was two hours long. Coming in as the longest episode of the commercial break. And, um, there you go. You're going for all kinds of records. I am going for all kinds of records. Now they've got Chet TCB on my side. Me, he and I are friends now and we're working together diligently to put together the super brain of the commercial break. Driving him and me crazy at the same time.
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Put her on top of the car. We're making it there. We paid for this. We can't miss it. So all the, I want to wrap back around to one thing. All the well wishes, all the wonderfulness about TCB's Endless Day. And again, so many of you really gave us fuel for the fire before, during and afterwards. But there's one person who I think stands out in the crowd, that they wrote me an email yesterday.
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It dropped into my email really early in the morning. It has one of those iCloud masking email addresses. It's got no name on it, no identifying information. It's completely anonymous. And maybe there's a reason why, and you'll hear in the email, maybe that's just something they didn't want to announce to the world, and that's fine.
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But when we get back, I'd like to read you maybe the single greatest thing Comment, review, email that we have ever received here at Commercial Break. It's emotional. It's funny. It's sad. It's all the things.
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Put on your listening ears. Yeah, you haven't heard it because I want this to be first strike kind of material. Ukraine just bombed a bunch of planes in Russia. Did you hear about that? First strike material. Surprise at dawn. Good for you, Ukraine. Keep going. We stand by Ukraine. Alright, we'll be back.
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Alright, you ready for this? I am ready. This email comes into my personal email address. So, even though, I mean, I think it's out there somewhere, but I don't know necessarily how they got this. This is someone we've corresponded with before and I responded with my personal email address. I don't know. This one's got me stumped. But I guess it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
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It was someone wrote in. They felt the need to do that. I don't think it's someone that we know personally. But here we go. This... Blue, you have something to say about this? Oh my god, this dog. Every time Noemi's over, Blue goes fucking bananas. She is crazy. Anyway, here's an... Do you want me to wait? Should I just wait, Blue, till you're done?
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talking unbelievable unbelievable like i said you know how many mentions i'm gonna ask tcb how many men i call it i i called it now chat tcb i'm gonna find out how many mentions of blue or barks are in the background i'm gonna ask it i guarantee it's every episode guarantee it'll just make you mad oh it's already making me mad drives me crazy yesterday i i go to pick up my daughter from a camp
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Und ich gehe raus und dann fahren wir eine Stunde oder zwei oder was auch immer. Und dann komme ich heim und ich kann nicht Blu irgendwo in der Haus. Und ich bin so, wo ist der Hund? Wo ist der Hund? Und manchmal mag sie sich unter einem Bett verstecken. Ich denke, sie könnte ein bisschen schwer hören. Sie wird älter. Also manchmal kommt sie nicht so schnell, wie sie es gewohnt hat.
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Oder überhaupt nicht, weil sie eine Bitch ist. Und so bin ich so, was zur Hölle? Also jetzt bin ich verrückt. Ich bin so, wo ist Blu? Oh mein Gott. So after like 15 minutes, I'm like, she's not outside. I didn't let her outside. I opened the back door, but I say, okay, well, let's just start yelling outside. I'm freaking out kind of now. I hope nothing happened to her. I open the door. I look.
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She's in the neighbor's backyard. Digging through like old coals from the barbecue. She's got ash all over her face. And I'm like, how did you get out? Why are you in my neighbor's yard? We like these people. We don't want you fucking it up. Please stop it. Even though my neighbor is very sweet. He's like, my yard is your yard, dude. Don't worry. Just think of it as an extension of your yard.
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Es ist ein Es. Ich werde es immer als ein Es bezeichnen. Es sollte als ein Es bezeichnet werden. Aber es kommt mit einigen interessanten Statistiken auf den Kommerzial-Break, als es weitergeht. Er hat mir einige davon gezeigt. Als ich es gefragt habe, habe ich gesagt, gib mir Tidbits, Informationen, Anrufe, Tagline.
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Blue can be back there all she wants. That is until like a couple of weeks ago when Blue took a hot steaming shit out there and I'm pretty sure one of the kids next door stepped in it. Thanks, Blue. Thanks, Blue. Can't take you anywhere. And I don't, because you're crazy. Alright. Hi, Brian. Ja. I'm not sure which episode it was on Saturday. Maybe it was the last.
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But you made an impassioned plea for people to get help with their mental health. You mentioned that if it helped just one person, then the entire podcast would have been worth doing. Well, let me share my story. In mid 2023, I was engaged to be married to my longtime girlfriend. We had met in high school and we'd been together for about nine years.
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As we both worked our way through graduate school, we lived together, struggled together, stressed together, fucked together and fought together. And when I turned 26 and finished my post education, we moved into an apartment together to start the rest of our lives. It seemed like a pretty damn good time to ask her to marry me. And I did. And what do you know it, against all odds, she said yes.
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Early in the summer we had a vacation planned. We were very excited to take this trip together. And it was going to be the much needed break after school we both needed. Two weeks on the beach. That was the vacation. That was the plan. Today was the day we were getting ready. Wow, so far so good here, bud. I like this story. This sounds great. Waiting for the shoe to drop. Ja.
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The front of the paper was schoolwork, printed text. However, the back of the paper was written text in two different colors of ink and in two different styles of handwriting. It was a love note that was seemingly passed back and forth between her and a classmate. There was nothing to lose. There was no interpretation to be lost here. This was a steamy, sultry, seduction squib.
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Und dann habe ich gesagt, weißt du, und alles, was oft in diesen frühen Saisonen auftaucht, würde ich gerne wissen, ich könnte sie wiederholen, richtig? Und so gab es mir eine Heatmap. Oh yeah, I remember that one. Oh, the pantaloons. They were back in style, weren't they, for like a minute?
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I instantly fell to pieces." I could not control myself. I knew exactly what this meant. As it turns out, the gentleman responder was her study partner, had come to our house for dinners and parties, came over for Thanksgiving because he had nowhere else to go, and even met my parents multiple times, and my dad invited him to a baseball game.
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Anyway, everybody has a sad love song somewhere in their history. Mine is no different. Needless to say, the wedding was called off and I was distraught. Over the next few months, I fell into a deep and overwhelming depression, something I had never experienced before in my life. Every day darker than the last.
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I just couldn't get the racing thoughts and images of my fiancé with this guy out of my head. All the things that could have been, all the memories that we shared, all the pain constantly and continually came striking back. I could not shake it. I was falling and falling fast. Dann, etwa vier Monate nach dem Glauben, wuchs ich mit einer Lösung in meinem Kopf.
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Ich konnte die Schmerzen nicht wegnehmen. Aber ich könnte sie wegnehmen, wenn ich die Gedanken aufhören könnte. Ich könnte die Gedanken aufhören, wenn ich meinen Gehirn aufhören könnte. Und ich könnte meinen Gehirn aufhören. Nun, wir alle wissen, wie das passiert. Ich hatte die ultimative und schreckliche Schlussfolgerung erreicht. Und ich war vollständig überzeugt, dass es der richtige war.
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Ich war so entscheidend, wie ich jemals war, um diesen Akt zu beenden. Ich ging sogar den Rest des Tages, ruhig meine Grüße zu denjenigen, die ich liebe, zu sagen. Ich war traurig, aber ich mochte Erleichterung. My plan was to grab a hotel room many miles from my house so that my family or my friends would not be the ones to find me. So on this Wednesday, I booked a room for that Saturday night.
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Jesus, get me choked up. On Thursday, I woke up just as determined. I started my morning walk to go somewhere I needed to be and I started listening to a podcast that a friend had recommended. During a commercial break on that podcast, a commercial break for your podcast came on. Honestly, the commercial was so terrible and so silly, I really wanted to hate listen.
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I was miserable, you were miserable, we were going to be miserable together. So I turned on an episode. Ja. And I found solace in your comedic anger. I believed you were talking about people walking on the wrong side of the sidewalk. What a dumb fucking thing to be angry about, I thought to myself. But he's absolutely right, I also thought to myself. Ja. Ja, genau. I fell into a trance.
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One episode turned into two. I took a walk at my local park so I could listen to yet another episode. Now I was four episodes in and it was only 1 p.m. I got into the car and I drove aimlessly for three hours so I could listen to just one more episode. Find one reason, one more reason to hate you.
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They were not all funny, they were not all extremely interesting, but there was something about the friendship between you and Chrissy, the self-effacing humor, and at times the childlike behavior. There was something almost indescribably magic about your show.
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You tackled highbrow concepts with lowbrow humor. This is where I heard this from. You injected sharp, sophisticated satire into sophomoric jokes. You never let it go to your head, and you always knew exactly where your place was. You were in on the joke, and that meant I was in on the joke. And I was starting to feel something that I was desperately missing.
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Something that got ripped away from me in a moment's notice. A sense of comfort, of humor, of belonging. Excuse me, I'm getting choked up here.
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It is living and breathing and organic. It is sloppy and sharp and confused and focused and hapless and perfect and a total train wreck where the wheels happen to stay on the track. Your show is all of those things. All of those things that we need and a lot of the things we don't. There was an episode where you once talked about the Grateful Dead.
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You said that part of the reason why people like the Grateful Dead so much was that they weren't perfect. And it was always an experiment. And it was changing and morphing and getting better and getting worse with every show, every time. I think the commercial break would be well described in that way.
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I know you get a lot of emails, and I'm sure I'm not the first one to say you helped out in a dark spot. But I hope you read this message, and I hope if you take one thing away from this extremely lengthy scribe, it's this.
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You are exactly where you should be, and everyone who has ever listened to the commercial break and gotten something out of it should be grateful that we were alive during the time of TCB. I know the show is already popular, but I think someday people will look back on all of these episodes and fall in love again with the mediocre podcast that is the commercial break.
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I don't know who you are. I'm assuming you're a man. But, you know, I don't know that I could have... I don't know that I can take that kind of compliment. I think it's a very grand compliment and I'm not sure that it's worthy of that kind of well-written...
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gut geschriebenes Review, aber ich sage das, ich könnte nicht mehr dankbar sein, dass wir dich am richtigen Zeitpunkt gefunden haben, also hier ist es für dich und für dich, dass du hier bist mit uns, ja, weil wir sicherlich glücklich sind, dass du bist, ja, wir verstehen sicherlich alle, was es fühlt sich an, in diesem Ort absoluter Verschwörung zu sein, wo es vielleicht nur eine Lösung in unseren Händen gibt und
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Ich bin da gewesen. Vor ein paar Jahren als Teenager, weißt du, ich war alle verdammt auf Accutane und Hormone und Liebe und Love Gone Wrong und Unrequited Attraction und all das andere. Aber, weißt du, ich erinnere mich an das extreme Gefühl des Desperations, als ob diese Lösung die Lösung war, weil dann zumindest Relief hatte und die Leute um mich herum es nicht mehr hören mussten.
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But that's never the solution. Because it only leaves a wake of destruction. And when so many people out there would die to have someone back, it's a shame that you would ever give that up willingly. You know, we're built to move on one more day. That's just the way it is. And they're not always good days. A lot of them are bad. And the commercial break is exactly what you said it is.
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It's imperfect. We're building the plane as we fly it. There's often nothing funny about it. There's Interviews are boring and shows are long and Ryan rants about nothing. But you do have a place here. There is some belonging here.
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If you listen to the commercial break, and I think what you said played out on Saturday, is that there are a lot of people in the universe of the commercial break who are wonderful and loving and empathetic and right here with us. Yeah, 100%. I don't know what else to say.
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Yeah, I didn't get that emotional when I read it the first time, but I did the second time. I think reading it out loud takes on a different connotation. So, to whoever you are, wherever you are, thanks, thanks very much. It's the grandest compliment we've ever received, and I don't think it could have been said any better. And again, while I don't think I can accept it, I heard it.
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I heard it and it touched me. So there you go. Okay, one, two, three, be funny.
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Oh, wow. Okay, all right, there you go. Shake it off, Brian. Silly emotions. All right. So, if you haven't listened to Commercial Breaks Endless Day, go ahead and do so. Those are probably in your inbox, in your podcast inbox.
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I'm sure we lost a few people on that one. I can almost guarantee we lost some people who were like, what the fuck? But, you know, hey, listen. You go out in the world and you try. And if it works, it works. And if it doesn't, it doesn't. If you lose a few along the way, well, that's just the way it is. We didn't need them anyway, Chrissy. We don't need those people.
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We don't need to pay mortgage next month. What are you talking about?
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It touched one person. And while I know the endless day wasn't the thing that got you over the hump, it was just regular episodes of the commercial break. Maybe it did touch somebody out there. I have to believe it did. Somebody out there somewhere.
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Like I said yesterday, oh, actually I don't know if you heard this, there was a guy from India who was listening to us and he reviewed my resume and offered me a job. $500 an hour. Right on the TCB phone. So, if this all falls off the tracks, at least I got that.
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He thought it was great. I was perfect for the position. He didn't tell me what the position was.
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Awesome. I'm not good enough yet. I'm no Marc Maron. I'm only halfway to 1600. So let's put it that way. Okay, Chrissy, that's all I can do for now. I think so. I'll tell you that I love you. Best to you. Best to you. Best to you out there in the podcast universe. Until next time, we will say, we do say, and we must say... Goodbye.
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Gas-fed, gas-fed grass. There's a lot of ones that we could go back to. I will. I'm going to revisit it and I'm going to pull out some of the good ones and we're going to go back to it. Because there's also one called the... The quitterbug phone that you can give your parents that has no Fox News or accessibility to Facebook.
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I did a whole commercial on quitterbug, the phone you can give your aging parents. Disconnects them from Facebook, Twitter and Fox News. Man, do we need that more than ever. Wow, unbelievable. And sad news for anybody who's a podcast listener, follower, general listener. Ja, ich sah das. 15 Jahre. 16 Jahre. Tausende von Stunden. Und er hatte so viele Gäste.
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Mark hatte jeden Komedian, der wahrscheinlich jemals gearbeitet hat, der sogar remote bemerkbar ist. Die meisten Komedien, die hier waren, die bemerkbar waren, waren auf Mark Marons Show an einem Punkt. Und er hat mit ihnen langfristig über die Kraft gesprochen. about what it takes to be a good comedian, about the downfalls, the pitfalls of the entertainment industry.
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Really interesting dig-in conversations, kind of like Joe Rogan without a lot of the extemporaneous bullshit. And he had Obama on. I mean, he's had everybody on. If you don't know Marc Maron's show, What the Fuck with Marc Maron, WTF with Marc Maron, you should do yourself a favor. And before he leaves in late fall of this year, Listen to a couple episodes. Go early, mid, late.
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Maybe I'll suggest some as we go along and we'll all say goodbye to Marc together because there is no doubt about it. No Marc Maron, no commercial break. No Marc Maron, no Joe Rogan. No Marc Maron, no Dax Shepard. He was a pioneer. Theo Vaughn, he truly was a pioneer. Und ich denke, er war sogar, vielleicht früher, viel früher, als Serial sogar war.
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Serial ist der notierte Podcast, der die Podcasting-Wörter, die alle wussten, gemacht hat. Und die Leute, die plötzlich Podcasts downloaden. Und Marc war es vor dem. Also, Marc hat heute, als wir das im Morgen auf dem Instagram veröffentlicht haben, Ja, sehr berühmte Leute.
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Yeah, when you've had all these famous people on and you pick their brains, they've even written books, like taking insights from all of the episodes of the WTF show. And his producer, I think the guy's name is Andrew, together they said to each other, and they've said this on the show before, when we're done, we're done.
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Like when it's no longer the thing, it's no longer the thing and we'll just move on. And he made an announcement and it said, Andrew and I have come to the conclusion at the same time that we're done. It's just it.
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Oh, the golf guy. Oh, Marc Maron is? I think he is, yeah. Okay, all right. Marc Maron, an accomplished comedian in and of himself. Like he really was one of those early Comedy Central comedians, like some of these people that we have been talking to, who... Just kind of rode that wave. Tom Papa. Who else did we have? Margaret Cho. Kathy. Oh, yes. Kathleen Madigan. Lewis Black.
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Margaret Cho was even before Comedy Central, I think. I think she was more of like... ABC, Fox News, HBO, early Fox, HBO. Sie war sogar ein wenig vor der Zeit von Comedy Central. Aber es ist wie diese Gruppe von Kyle Kinane, diese Gruppe von Komedianen, die in der sehr heißen Comedy Central-Ära kamen. Und sie haben diese 30-Minuten-Specials zur Ehre gebracht. Und Mark war einer davon.
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Und er hat die Idee erst am Anfang gehört, er hat über Podcasting gehört, er hat die Idee gehabt, er ist aufgehört, er hat einige seiner Komedienfreunde eingeladen, um mit ihm eine Stunde oder zwei zu sprechen. Und da bist du. Und so ging es. Und für eine lange Zeit war Marc Maron's Podcast Nummer 1, Nummer 2 oder Nummer 3. Für eine lange Zeit. Es war nicht lange her.
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Es ist noch in den Top 20, Top 25. Und die Charts sind keine Scheiße. Ich muss ehrlich sein. Ja, wow. Anyway, we're back. I was talking about Marc Maron and I was talking about the charts.
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Listen, Marc, regardless of where Marc sits on the charts or where he has been sitting on the charts, I think it's clear to any observer, casual or otherwise, that Marc Maron has had a huge impact on the podcast industry. And I think he was one of the first to have commercials. If I'm not mistaken, I think like Dollar Shave Club or whatever. was one of the first.
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I don't know this for sure, but I do remember listening to early Marc Maron podcasts and hearing commercials in there and thinking to myself, wow, he's selling commercials. Even though I didn't really get into podcasting until much later after it had started. I really didn't jump on the bandwagon until Serial. Ja, genau.
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So anyway, Marc Maron gets all the props he should rightfully get for really turning this into an art form, a radio show, a late night TV talk show, a place where people can come and sit and have long, in-depth conversations that are meaningful and change the world. The exact opposite of what we do here at the commercial break.
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I didn't say we were gonna take Marc Maron's thing and make it better. But maybe, listen, not to dance on anybody's grave, Chrissy, but maybe there's a small chance that we will get some of those Marc Maron listeners. People who are looking for smart, intelligent, witty comedy podcasts, they'll go, that commercial break, that's not it. But I'll download it once, just for shits and giggles.
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I was saying yesterday, Wenn ich das Beste rausgegeben habe, habe ich gesagt, ChattyTCB, ich habe gefragt, hey, was ist ein guter Snapshot, was ist bemerkenswert für Saison 1, frühe Saison 2 und ist bemerkenswert, wie ein Beweis, wo der Podcast geht, rauch, kind of whatever. Also kam es mit diesem ganzen Dissertation, richtig? Wir sind im Grunde genommen die Schmerzen in unseren Häusern.
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Und es sagt, es gab mir drei Episoden. Einer von ihnen war dieses Frankie B. Best of Episode. Und es sagt, dieses Episode ist fröhliche Riffing, hohe Brühe, und es sagt, hohe Brühe Komödie mit hohen Brühen Jokes. Es ist eine scharfe, wittige Satire mit etwas oder anderem. Und ich war so, wow, dieses Ding ist wirklich gut, um meinen Arsch zu küssen.
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Aber dann, als es am Ende gesagt wurde, war es eine frühere Beleuchtung, was ein Kult-Klassiker, der Kommerzialbrief, werden würde. Kult-Klassiker bedeutet keine Hörer. Richtig. Hat jemand jemals gesagt, wow, ich habe ein Millionen Dollar aus meinem Kult-Klassiker-Film gemacht? Oder wow, mein One-Hit-Wonder-Musikgruppe, das wurde ein Kult-Klassiker. Do you understand what I'm saying here?
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He was not excited about being a cult classic in the underground music scene. I can guarantee you. He wanted the money. But you know what? We do this because we love it. Back then, it was just a hobby for us. Honestly, it just was. Speaking of back then, back then when we did 13 episodes of the commercial break in one day, kind of went off without a hitch, I think.
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We built it up in our heads to be... I brought three bags of stuff that I didn't even use. I know, I was telling somebody this. I was telling my little brother this. Patrick, we went out for his birthday, like the brothers and the new girlfriend. Oh, okay, I gotta be careful about how much I say. It's early days here, early days.
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Yeah, I don't know if she's ready to be a podcast character quite yet. You know what I'm saying? Lovely, lovely human being. Anyway, we were all talking out there and we were chatting about the TCB's Endless Day, because I went out to dinner with him on Sunday. I was just butt exhausted. I mean, white. Because here's the thing about TCB's Endless Day. My day really didn't end.
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I walked right out that door, had to bathe, you know, feed and put children to bed, and then they were up the next morning, early, ready for me to rock. And it just didn't, like, I realized on Sunday, I really don't get a fucking break. Like, Chrissy right now is sleeping. She's gonna go have a boozy brunch.
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Her and Jeff are gonna walk around the house in robes, catching up on all their favorite Netflix shows. You got a fucking massage.
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I got a fucking kick in the potatoes is what I got by my youngest kid who decided she now wanted to play footsie with my sack.
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dass es eine Menge Menschheit in diesem Show gibt. Und es bringt nicht die Hände über das Gesundheitssystem. Es heißt The Pit. Es streamt jetzt auf Max mit neuen Episoden jeden Freitag. Episode 5 wird heute gespielt. Und das bin ich, zu Noah Wiley.
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Ja, ziemlich genau. I have a lot of stuff, but I don't know if there are really stories behind it, other than having the thing. And there's so many things I don't even... Where is this from? Someone made that for me. That's my old cat. Well, that's very special. That's your actual cat. That's my actual cat. Like the old house, I took you up to the office there.
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That used to be what the garage looked like. It was just like my world of stuff. And this is sort of stuff that sort of happened... This is stuff that was in there, I just put it in here. This room doesn't have a tremendous amount of personality, but these are just bits and pieces.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Yeah, well, that's why I kept it. I don't know what the story behind that was. And that little thing there, that little orange mush thing, that's a record before it's pressed. Oh, come on, that's great. Ja, du und ich haben das gleiche Problem. Aber ich denke, ich versuche, mich von meinem Problem zu retten.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
53. Also bin ich 61. Und ich weiß nicht, ich habe die meisten Rekorde, die ich in der Hochschule hatte, nicht so viele. So 150 oder so. Ja. Aber dann, von da an, jetzt habe ich so 3.000. Und das war in der letzten Dekade oder so.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Richtig, ich meine, das ganze Welt, das ganze Prozess ist irgendwie weg, weil Leute, die Scheiße haben, wissen, dass sie Scheiße haben. Ja. So they put it on the internet and they're like, well, I could really get a lot for this. And yet there's still the grandmother's attic. A few.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I feel like this amp, that thing came, I don't know where the hell that thing came from, but it's like a 1961 Fender Deluxe Big Box and it's mint condition. It showed up in Portland. I didn't get it from the grandma's attic, but I got it from the guy who got it from that. So I paid money for it.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But I don't know if that's part of the thrill of finding it for like, you know, and, you know, kind of conning somebody out of what they have, because they don't know what they have. I think those days are kind of gone.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And I think when you get to a certain point, what you want to do is just sell all of it. Like how much for this wall of shit?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
When people are in trouble, when people need to go to the emergency room. I imagine most of you at some point have found yourself in an emergency room for some reason or another. And it's a harrowing show.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
You got 30 seconds to take a peek and then make me a bid. Exactly. Just have an auction, right? And have a curtain. Like, what are you going to give me for this room? But what are the main things you collect?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
See, I guess I'm trying to figure this stuff out. She'd rather take the dog. I didn't bring anything. I evacuated from one night and I brought two pairs of underwear, a fleece and my cats and some cash. As if the entire world had ended. I could just drive into Hollywood and use a fucking bank machine.
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Nothing. I didn't even take, you know, I had to go find my birth certificate. But did you get affected?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I saw that, because I had evacuated to Hollywood for the night, and I stayed at that Hampton Inn down on Vine in Santa Monica, and I'm safe, and I'm standing there on the fourth floor looking out over the hill. I saw that fire explode, dude.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Each episode is an hour of the same day in this emergency room, in this trauma ward, where they have to make decisions, triage decisions, where they have to sort of manage intake because of issues with the hospital, availability of beds, availability of people who work there, these sort of issues of hospital administration and healthcare in general. And it was heavy, man.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But when I saw that thing start, it exploded, dude. It wasn't like, oh, it looks like something's burning. It looked like a bomb hit it. No, that was arson for sure. You think so? Totally. I don't want to speculate about that stuff, but sometimes it seems pretty crazy. That one that was up in Griffith Park just a couple of days ago, that was arson and they caught the guy. They did? Yeah.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But do they have, we're not news guys, but do they have an agenda or are they just fire freaks? No idea. Okay. I couldn't speculate. All right, so let's go back to the collecting things. I want to figure this out. So with books. Yeah. Gestern habe ich ein Buch ausgesucht, von Wilhelm Reich. Weißt du, wer der ist? Der Renegade-Freudian, der das Orgon und Orgasmenergie entschieden hat.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Er war wirklich cool, und dann war er nicht cool.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I think he was one of the intellectual founders of the sexual revolution. But before that, he was a straight-up psychologist. And there's this book that I've had for years, and I think it's even still in print, but it's The Mass Psychology of Fascism. But I have an old copy of it. But I didn't read that whole book.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But I have the book, and yesterday, because of the situation we're in now, I'm like, oh, I'm just going to pop into that book, see if I can get a quick answer. But how many of the books... Because I'm comforted by books, but I don't read them. I don't read them all.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber das Schwierige ist, dass wir diese Sachen nicht mehr für Reference benötigen müssen. Es gibt wirklich etwas, das sich um die Dinge kümmert.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I do that with records. There are certain records, if I find them, I'll just buy them over and over again. Like Dylan's Planet Waves, which nobody really knows that record. I don't know that record. It's a great record. What's on that? Going, Going, Gone. Der Grund, warum ich es kaufe, ist, weil es relativ... Es ist nicht unbekannt, aber es ist kein großer Dylan-Rekord.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber es ist der einzige echte Rekord, den er mit der Band macht. Das und Basement Tape. Also ist es wirklich ein Band-Rekord. Und es ist ein großartiges Rekord. Aber die Leute wissen es nicht. Also gebe ich es den Leuten immer. Ich werde es auswählen. Ich zeige es dir.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Oh, now it's all explained. Yes. You have to accumulate stuff. Yes. Other people's stuff. Yes. Well, swap meets or flea markets, I think there you can still find some cool shit. Definitely. Yeah. There's still stuff around. Where I grew up in Albuquerque, now like all the retail, old retail big businesses are kind of gone. And some of those big store spaces are now flea market spaces.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Where you get like 50 or 40 or 50 people that rent space and they just bring their stuff there. It's like an all around the clock flea market.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I mean, and Noah Wiley is great, and the whole cast is great, but it did kind of bring me back to a place. You know, I spent time in hospitals when I was a kid, not because I was sick, but because my dad was a doctor.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ich habe nur ein paar Western-Tüten mitgebracht, die ich nicht mehr trage. Aber es gab viele, die ich mitgebracht habe, weil sie mich so fühlten. Und ich wusste nicht, was mit ihnen zu tun ist. Ich dachte mir, wenn ich sie auf Ebay verkaufe, werden sie von den Verkäufern kommen. Aber ich dachte mir, ich muss sie in das Ecosystem der Verkäuferung einbauen.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So somebody will find it and be excited about it. Let it go. Free the fish.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But did you come from scarcity? No. So it's probably more just like it feels, it's comforting to have the stuff.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Oh, my God. Yeah, I remember that. That just seemed like a... I feel the same way, but I think it's comforting, but it's also like you feel a sense of history and different people and intelligence and wisdom. It seemed to me that all the people that had those kind of places were wizards of some kind.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ein kleines mystisches Gemüse. Also drei Generationen von Angelenos. In Bezug auf das Leben hier in deinem ganzen Leben, weil wir darüber gesprochen haben mit anderen Leuten, über die Art von Unmöglichkeit von Feuer. Das war in deiner ganzen Kindheit, habe ich mir vorgestellt. War das nicht Teil deiner Psyche die ganze Zeit?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And because he was also kind of a workaholic, you know, spending time with dad sometimes meant, you know, making rounds with him or going to the hospital and dealing with that smell and dealing with, you know, just the kind of... Ja, ich erinnere mich, ich habe nur dieses sehr early recall of being in hospitals. And then as you get older, you realize that healthcare is obviously very important.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Well, fires, the mudslides, you know, it's all... And what is it with people, you know, I mean, I love L.A., but I mean, there is, we always put that risk at the back of our head, like you just, you kind of throw in the dice.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So you're divorced and they both have... Divorced, remarried.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So you did have one person in the movie business. How old were you when they split up? Young.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Oh really? Yeah. But everyone's cool? Super cool.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Klar, du kannst alles machen. Wow, B.U. Ich habe liberalen Kunst gemacht. Ich hatte Freunde in der Kommunikation. Aber ich habe liberalen Kunst gemacht, weil ich die Bücher haben wollte. Ich wollte wissen, was die Bücher sind. Ich wollte wissen, was Filme sind. Ich wollte das machen. Das ist gut. Du hast gute Kinder. and it's all working out?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Well, you're a stronger man than me. I don't have any, and I don't know where that leaves me. It's a very weird thing to be childless at 61, because you're sort of like, what am I going to do with all this shit? Who's going to come get me? I think you have many, many children out there. Not real ones, I hope. You are daddy to a lot of people. I know, but most of them are almost my age.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So when does this like, so with the stepdad in show business, were you into show business?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
It was kind of cool back then. I mean, when you were kids, it wasn't as dirty and broken down.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And on Hollywood Boulevard. And then they did what they did at Times Square. They brought in all these big hotels and cleaned everything up. Yeah. It's still kind of intense, though.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Backstage. Oh, man. Yeah, behind the scenes. That's always the best part of show business, is before you go on. Yeah, it's kind of wild when you do like a talk show and stuff. To be in on the joke and to be, you know, on the backside of the Hollywood sign. Ja, vielleicht war es Conan O'Brien oder so, aber sie hatten ein großes Tier, das durch die Hallen ging.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Und ich dachte, ja, das ist Show-Business. Es ist hier zurück. Hier ist es, wo es passiert.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Did you go to the last big one? Didn't Sony Universal have a big sale?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I have no idea. If you've got it, I'll pay you handsomely for it. I don't go to those auctions and stuff. I get overwhelmed too easily, exhausted. It's exciting when I get there and then I'm like, oh my God, so much shit here. It's too much stuff. Have you bought any artifacts from movie history?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
You don't even have a special storage space for it?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Really? Yeah. You're going to need to get like a... I remember the first time I went to Graceland to see Elvis' house. He has a whole separate structure just for awards. You have to build your own museum.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Having a relationship with a doctor is very important. And what insurance companies and hospital administrators and managing the type of treatment you can get, what it all means. zu dir die richtige Aufmerksamkeit zu bekommen, die du brauchst. Und dann auch die Verständnis, dass, weißt du, ein Arzt nur ein Job ist. Du weißt, manche sind besser als andere.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Lass deinen Sohn wissen, er hat eine Aufgabe vor ihm. Bilde den Index. Also, wann hast du angefangen, die Tatsache zu machen?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Basketball. Warst du in der Schule mit irgendwelchen hollywoodischen Kindern?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I didn't get in, but he wrote it. Er ist ein süßes Mann. Ja. Er ist ein süßes Mann. Er ist ein süßes Mann. Er ist ein süßes Mann.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber es ist eine Serie von Schritten in deinem Gehirn?
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Manche, weißt du, wollen natürlich einen guten Job, aber, weißt du, es ist ein Nummerspiel, Mann. And sort of seeing, you know, this kind of unfold on this show, just the fragility of life and the sort of weight of being a doctor in that situation and having to do your job, but also maintain your own mental and emotional stability. And just, it just, the mortality thing was just really...
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I know, I watched it. I watched all the ones available. I didn't get all of them. But I've watched the four, like everybody else.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Das ist das Schwierigste für mich, zu wissen, wo du herkommst und was du vorher gemacht hast. Und wenn du aus einer Sequenz schießt, wo waren wir? Das wird schwierig.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Totally. Cool. Ich wusste nicht, was du sagst. Mammut scheint für mich zu denken, und ich mag David Mammut, er ist ein Charakter, aber sein Ansatz scheint zu sein, dass jeder das tun kann. Es ist auf der Seite. Ich stimme nicht zu. Das ist richtig, ich stimme nicht zu.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Well, I thought like, you know, having not really been, I didn't watch ER. I don't remember what year it came out. 1994. Ich war wahrscheinlich mehr selbst involviert als die Fernsehsendung damals. Aber es war ein riesiges Show. Richtig. Und du warst da von Anfang bis Ende.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Kleine Rollen in Filmen. Ja. Und wenn du, dann ist das, wenn du was, 20? Ich war 22, als wir den Piloten erschossen haben. So you're just running around LA auditioning like everybody else? Yes, sir. Out of acting class, you got an agent.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Well, that's touching. But with the experience with ER, because it's interesting, you know, you do ER and everyone knows you from ER. And then you do some other series, some kind of... There was one that I told my girlfriend about. It was The Librarian. It was sort of a fantasy trip. Yep. Yeah. But ER was the big thing.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And then, you know, here you come full circle and you end up in another medical show. But this one, like, from my experience, because I don't watch... mit so viel Regularität so oft. Aber ich wollte mit dir sprechen und wissen, was ich tue. Mein Freund, der mit mir Drums spielt, Ned, er wollte das nicht. Ich habe die Show geschaut und er ist Arzt. Er ist ein echter Typ.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Kind of heavy to me that that it's so fragile and that, you know, these doctors have to be facing that down in the best way they can, that, you know, life comes and goes and it definitely goes. So I I was surprised and and happy. that I connected with the show in order to talk to Noah. And oddly, the guy who I play music with, my drummer, Ned Brower, he's a pediatric nurse.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But what I found interesting about this show, and again, I don't know exactly how ER worked, and I don't know where this show is going ultimately, if there's a second season, is that this isn't about... die Leben der Praktizierenden. Es scheint, dass sie sehr darauf konzentriert sind, wie schnell das Arbeit und ihre Beziehungen im Arbeitsraum funktionieren.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber es scheint auch, nach dem Zuschauen und der Wahl, HBO es in der grafischen Art und Weise zu lassen, dass sie es gemacht haben. Es ist wirklich wie eine bedrohliche Beobachtung von Mord. Und auch in meinem Leben gab es einen Punkt, an dem ich bemerkte, dass ein Arzt ein Job ist.
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Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Und auf einem bestimmten Niveau, wenn du der Art von Arzt bist, der mit lebensbedrohlichen Dingen immer handelt, dass deine Verbindung dazu ein wenig entdeckt sein muss, um einfach den Job zu machen. Und du willst es glauben, wenn du einen Arzt siehst. Sie kümmern sich um dich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber sie kümmern sich um dich insofern, dass der Job sie ermöglicht, ohne ihre eigene mentale Gesundheit zu versorgen, wenn es möglich ist. Perfekt. Und ich denke, dass was du generell in diesen Medikamenten nicht siehst, und ich denke, in der Erkrankung, obwohl ich aus meinem Arsch spreche, weil ich es nicht weiß, ist, dass es sich wirklich um die Trauma aller Art konzentriert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ja, richtig. Und weil der Fokus auf die grafische Natur des physischen Traumas ist, ist der Eindruck anders. Denn es wird natürlich viel Aufmerksamkeit bezahlt, zu den Verletzungen, zu der Krankheit, zu dem, was wirklich passiert ist im Moment der Erkrankung. Und es gibt keinen Weg, das nicht zu beobachten und zu denken, oh, das könnte jeden Moment enden. Für jeden von uns. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ja, ich denke, du machst einen tollen Job mit diesem Mann. Danke. Was war der Prozess, um die Show auf dem Boden zu bringen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So that's the fundamental difference in... In the two shows is that there is a social conscience to this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And I believe an emergency room pediatric nurse. And he has a small part on this show. And just talking to him about emergency medicine, it's just, you know, it's another one of those things. Like I talked about with fires. You gotta just sort of be grateful that there are people that want to do that. and want to do it for a life and want to do it because it's their calling.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Wirklich? Weil ich da ein paar Mal gearbeitet habe und jedes Mal, wenn ich da bin, denke ich mir, dieses Ort ist großartig, es ist wundervoll.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Und ich liebe das, es gibt eine Geschichte dazu, mehrere Ärende der Geschichte. Einige gehen sehr zurück, ich meine, zu 1700-Zeiten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
It's like the Tuskegee Airmen of ambulances. Totally, yeah. Oh, that's an interesting thing. And also like the whole, you know, dead steel business. Like I'm obsessed with that. What's the big steel company? Ist es amerikanisches Stahl? Da ist ein Gebäude da. US-Stahl. Die US-Stahl-Tower, die nicht mehr die US-Stahl-Tower ist, in Pittsburgh, ist nur aus rohen Gürteln gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Und jetzt ist es alles ein bisschen geröstet. Ich dachte, es wäre genius, dieses moderne Gebäude aus rohem Stahl zu machen, weil es sich eventuell braun werden würde. Und ich bin einfach überrascht mit diesem Gebäude. Es ist ein tolles Kunststück. Das ist das, was das Warhol-Museum da ist. Und die Mattress-Factory-Museums, die sind wirklich cool. Cool.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So, but your character, I think that, you know, to speak to just the cultural PTSD of everyone because of the pandemic and also all these different levels of what you're talking about, the healthcare system. I mean, it feels kind of vital.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Das gesamte Gefühl des Shows, wie, du weißt, jeder ist ein bisschen, du weißt, an verschiedenen Punkten chipper, aber du weißt, du kannst nicht, es gibt keinen Sinn für Panik in der Show, du weißt, und der Dialog ist gut, weil es charaktergerecht ist, aber der Schmerz der unendlichen Parade von Menschen, die verletzt, verletzt, verrückt, was auch immer, es ist einfach so, es ist überwältigend, aber wenn ich es sehe,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
All I think about is how fragile we all are and how fragile everything is in that life, you know, there's a scene where you're like trying to talk and also the device of making it a teaching hospital is kind of great. Weil dann hast du all diese Kinder. Aber die Idee, dass einer von ihnen einen Fehler macht, und es könnte den Mann sein Leben kosten, aber du gehst wie, hey, willkommen zur Crew.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Politik? Politik. Griechisch? Ja, all das. All das. Wie, warum vertraue ich jemandem?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber auch, wie du gesagt hast, die Fähigkeit für einen Doktor, Wenn Sie arbeiten in einem System, egal wie gut ein Arzt Sie sind, wenn Sie die Art von Betreuung limitieren, die Sie geben können, dann was sind Sie?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And it becomes very frightening where you have so many people in the medical profession, especially nurses, who just don't want the gig anymore for a number of reasons. Certainly one of the reasons being for how they were treated during COVID and just staffing issues. I mean, these people are on the front lines in life and death situations and we rely on them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Doctors and probably just regular people. Sure. And I think the show kind of deals with that because right at the beginning in the first episode you're dealing with the hospital administrator. And it's about numbers and it's about employment. I mean, I've been talking about this with firefighters, where you think to yourself, Thank God, there are people that want to do that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
That's what they want to do. It's not one of these jobs where you're kind of like, I'm thinking about being a firefighter. You either want it. And if you ask those guys, well, is there any other job you want? No, this is it. Yeah, if that starts to diminish, and I think that's what you're talking about in relation to the healthcare, for whatever reason, then what do you have?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
A little bit of compassion goes a long way. How much time did you spend studying this stuff? Did you go to trauma units?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Einer der Hauptcharaktere ist eine schwarze Frau-Doktorin. Und ich weiß nicht, was mit YouTube passiert, aber ich glaube, wir werden es herausfinden. Wir haben ein bisschen Geschichte. Ja, ich bin nur auf dem vierten Episode. Ja. Oh gut, that's the one I wrote. It is, it was good. And in terms of performing this thing, I mean it's...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Because of the minimal amount of acting I've done, the foundation of your character, wrestling with his own PTSD that's driving him to kind of break down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Can't wait. Well, that was one of the interesting things about what you're saying. And if you've listened to the show, I talked about that scene I did with Sharon Stone and sort of accessing the emotions that would enable me to cry. Das hatte ich keine Aufmerksamkeit oder Erfahrung, wirklich. Und wie ich mit ihr da war. Aber dann in anderen Szenen, mit dem Meisner, was ich noch nie gemacht habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And if the system keeps continues to break down or the wrong people are in leadership positions that create guidelines for these systems, it's like it's fucking terrifying. It's a lot to manage just what's going on in general. But when you really think about this, this life or death situation and the fact that we're all going to come to a point where. We're going to need medical attention.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ich wusste es, aber es gibt Elemente von diesem Film. Dieser Charakter ist ein Student von Meisners. But that if the script is good, the emotions will come if you're open, right? I mean, that's the whole trip. And that was kind of an amazing revelation to me, that it really comes down to the honesty of the writing. And the...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ja, aber die Charaktere, die du spielst, ist wie jedes fünf Minuten. Es ist eine Situation von Leben und Tod. Also hattest du eine Art Foundation in dir, die die ständige Tragödie mit genug Empathie ermöglicht hätte, um den Moment zu servieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Well, that's another interesting thing about doctors, is that it's not so much, a lot of them, it's just about the work. Ich habe damit aufgewachsen. Mein Vater hat seine Residenz in New York in den 60ern gegründet. Und das war verrückt. Ich erinnere mich, als wir den Film Hospital sahen. Und er sagte, ja, das war, wo ich es gemacht habe. Und ich dachte, oh mein Gott.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber er ist ein Typ, der immer engagiert sein muss, sonst wird es nur Schmerzen sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
It will come. But it is really... pandemisch spezifisch? Es baut alles aus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Wow. Und wer kam mit dem, ich dachte, dass der Mr. Rogers B-Story war ein bisschen gut. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Oh mein Gott. Sie hat es einfach getötet. Was ist das? Ich bin gerade überrascht, was ich jetzt denke. Das war verrückt, wo sie mit dieser Sache gegangen ist. Ja. Und der Kerl, mit dem ich in der Apple-Show gearbeitet habe... McKenzie. Ja, er ist auch großartig. Was für eine Größe, denn er spielt einen Scheiß in dem Show, in dem ich war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
We're going to need to stay on top of our health in a way that's different than when we were younger. That it becomes, you know, fucking terrifying. And there's something about the humanity of this show and also the graphic nature of it, because it's on Max.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ja, es war gut, ihn zu sehen, weil ich mit ihm gearbeitet habe auf dem Golf-Show, das ich mit Owen Wilson gemacht habe. Und er spielt einen echten Scheiß. Ja. Und in diesem Film ist er wirklich lecker. Er war großartig. Es ist unglaublich, dass ein Show wie dieses auch die Möglichkeit gibt, all diese Akteure, die da sind. Es ist wie ein konstantes Casting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
War fünf Jahre genug für das? Ja, das war viel. Das war viel. Aber wie lebst du dein Leben? Weil das ist einer der Probleme, die ich mit dem Aktieren generell habe. Wie lebst du dein Leben, wenn du in Vancouver bist, für drei, vier Monate auf einmal? Ja. Und wie hattest du das? Die Familie kam hoch?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ich denke, dann haben sie die Incentiven ein wenig verändert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ich habe ihnen diesen kleinen Film gemacht, weil ich gerade aus Vancouver zurückgekommen bin und ich wollte nicht raus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber ich bin einfach so froh, dass ich sehe, dass so viele Schauspieler bereit sind. Sie sind so hungrig. Und es ist so, dass so viele von ihnen, du kannst es dir sagen, sie machen einfach alles dazu.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
You do get a lot of very graphic procedural stuff around broken bones, rashes, heart attacks, you know, other problems that occur from accidents and all that stuff. But there's a really an interesting focus on an each patient and the never-ending stream of patients coming in. I imagine that's how ER was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Well, yeah, because you might just be the guy on the chair in the room.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Und, well, you mentioned Altman. I mean, how, is there, is there any improvisation?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Yeah? And what is that? What do you make of the... You don't make any money. No, but what is the theater scene here and how does it feed the bigger business in your mind?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
You did get sort of the hang of the personalities of the doctor, but it's a very empathetic and I think mostly realistic Ja, genau. Man kann es nur als einen spannenden, gut eingestellten menschlichen Dramatik, eine medizinische Show sehen. Aber ich schaue keine solchen Shows. Für mich war es wie, oh mein Gott, weißt du, kennst du deinen Arzt? Ich fühle mich, als hätte du einen Arzt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Ich sah die Menschen und habe ihn interviewt. Ich hatte keine Ahnung. Ich wundere mich, ob wir über dich gesprochen haben. He was a three-time winner.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Was denkst du letztendlich, weil ich oft darüber denke, dass, besonders in der politischen Klima, in der wir sind und wie die Kultur verändert ist, ich versuche nicht zu schmerzen, wenn ich über die Fütilität der Kunst denke. In some ways. And what ultimately is, is impact.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fucknicks? What's happening? How's it going? What's going on? Where are we at today? How are you managing? How are you managing? How's your brain? Are you holding it together? Es wird Tag für Tag mit diesem Scheiß sein. Danke, dass du da bist. Ich freue mich, dass du hier bist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But when you talk like you're talking now, that whether or not anyone knows anything's happening, the type of change you can facilitate in an individual and their approach to life and their creativity is great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Are you still involved with this stuff? No. No, it's done.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Thank you. Yeah, thanks for doing it. Truly. There you go. Nice guy. Good actor. The Pit is streaming on Max. Check it out. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So, you guys, I did a bonus episode this week just to give full Marin listeners an update on what's going on out here in L.A. and in my head with seemingly everything on fire these days in both the literal and figurative sense. And it was right after Don Johnson was here. So I talked about that, too. You know, he's like a Buddhist guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Not a Nam-Ya-Ho-Guy, but like, you know, a long time sober and, you know, kind of, you know, really is into the teachings of Buddha. So he's kind of moving through that. And it was sort of a life lesson-y kind of thing. You know, it didn't get too dark. You know, he's got everything pretty, pretty well kind of processed. And, you know, but it wasn't without depth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And, you know, yeah, there was definitely some life stuff in it. And, yeah. A little of this and that. But it turned out to be a pretty, you know, spiritual or, you know, self-aware conversation. He's fucking Don Johnson. You can listen to that episode and other bonus episodes twice a week on the full Maron.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
To subscribe, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Here's some guitar. I didn't spend a lot of time with it, but it's here. Boomer lives. Monkey in La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Habe ich das gemacht? Ich meine, ich habe einen Arzt, aber er ist dort, wo ich gehe, wo die Ärzte sind. Und ich hatte drei dort. Und je älter du wirst, desto mehr weißt du, wer dein Arzt ist. And then when you're dealing with the healthcare system, it's like, what doctor can I see? I don't know that guy. And then you realize that the system is at a breaking point.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And you don't even know what kind of care you're going to get or if you're going to get any at all. And I feel that way about the country right now, too. It's at a breaking point. And it's a lot. That layer of mental anguish and despair just combined with the basic fear You know, awareness of mortality is sort of a lot to handle, but it shows like these.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And look, I, you know, look, I think Noah Wiley does a great job as this doctor where, you know, you're kind of, you know, you're in the life of a guy that has to balance this with a certain amount of humanity. I don't know. Maybe that was kind of a downer of an opening situation, but. Ja, I've just been thinking about things. So, I have a few new tour dates to announce.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I'm coming to Toronto at the Winter Garden on Saturday, May 3rd. The presale is going on today with the password ALLIN, A-L-L-I-N. It's in caps where I'm reading it, so maybe that's it. All in, one word. General tickets are on sale tomorrow. I'll be in Burlington, Vermont at the Vermont Comedy Club on Monday and Tuesday, May 5th and 6th. Tickets are, well, that's actually sold out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
So I have to make a decision about whether I'm going to add shows there. I'll be in Portsmouth. Vielen Dank. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all of my dates, including the new ones and links to the tickets. Okay, do that. Oh my God, I don't mean to be morose or dark. You know, my heart's a little stressed emotionally. My brain's a little taxed emotionally and fearing. But look, you know,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
I'm going to plug on. I'm going to keep plugging away until I crumble or decide to stop. I had kind of a sobering, humbling couple hours yesterday. This guy, well, he's not a guy, he's a director, Steve Fine Arts. He directed a documentary about Eddie Pepitone years ago called Bitter Buddha. He also directed my last comedy special from Bleak to Dark.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Es ist interessant, weil ich heute mit Noah Wiley gesprochen habe. Ich denke, die meisten Leute kennen ihn. Sicherlich Leute einer gewissen Ängste von ER. Er war in fast allen Saisons von ER. Und er hat diesen neuen medizinischen Dramatik, der heißt The Pit. Und ich war überrascht. Ich weiß nicht, was für eine regelmäßige TV-Serie existiert. Und das ist auf HBO, glaube ich. Es ist auf Max.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But for the past few years, he's been making a documentary about me. Now, I didn't know... Ich weiß nicht, was das für ein Punkt wäre, aber er war fasziniert davon und er hat mich seit Jahren mit der Kamera verfolgt. Ich glaube, der originale Arsch davon war, um meinen Anfang im Comedy zu machen, nach dem Covid und dem Pass von Lynn.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Und dieser Arsch würde meinen HBO-Spezial beenden, aber in den Jahren ist es ein viel größeres Ding geworden. Und es ist viel drin und viel von mir drin. And I guess the reason why it was humbling is that, you know, you've been following, you forget that there's a camera on you sometimes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But I guess the point of the whole thing is, it's a rare thing that you actually get to see yourself as others see you. Almost nobody really gets that. You're kind of locked in your own vessel here. And you can make assumptions about other people in terms of what they may think, what you think they think. Sometimes they tell you what they think.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But I got a chance to, you know, just watch for an hour and a half or so, just, you know, my behavior in all these situations, you know, in these interviews, in these moments in comedy, backstage, in my house. And... It was a little rough.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And there's all this footage that, I mean, it's good, I guess, but for me, having not really seen it put together, you know, for some reason, I don't see myself quite as a kind of sad, cranky guy who's set in certain ways. And I think that a lot of times when I'm in front of a camera, I act a certain way, but
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But it was sobering because I think it's an interesting kind of opportunity to really assess myself like that. And I think it had an impact at this age I'm at. And also, you know, it's over a lot of different years. But man, seeing me doing stand-up... In my early 20s, it was cringy for me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
You know, seeing me, you know, on video, these videos I did maybe after my first year of college and, you know, on a VHS at home and then some comedy stuff, it was like... Because you really think that when you're younger that you've kind of got a handle on things. But it was all posturing. It was all this sort of fake swagger. And I don't know what compelled me to just enter the life I entered.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And also, I was doing things, I was two years into comedy. Maybe when I started working as a comic and like I don't ever consider that like when I talk to comics, I'm like, oh, you got to pay your dues.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
But you know what that looked like for me, you know, was really starting to work as a comic in difficult situations when I was two years in, you know, and it was like I was 24 years old or something. And I don't know, man. I guess there is a way that I can have some... Love for that guy, but oh God, it's really hard.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
And then just to see who I've become in terms of, you know, how I live my life, what's happened in my life and me and my cats. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm like, you know, I'm a couple years away from just becoming this eccentric old man that, you know, has this weird place in people's minds and hearts and in my community and my business of like, oh yeah, yeah, angry old Marin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Yeah, he's out there. He's still out there doing his thing. I think he's still got the cats. But I hope it plays well. I guess it's gotten into South by Southwest and I think Tribeca. They talked to some of my peers. And there's a lot of stuff in it about the podcast, about me and Lynn, about when I was younger. It's a lot. And I guess there's some part of people that documentaries...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
can be sort of scary, but for me it was just sort of like, oh no, that's who I am? Not in a bad way, but dude, you gotta start trying to find some things, even in the climate we're in and even in this sort of period of fear and despair and seeming hopelessness. to kind of open your heart and let some people in or enjoy some life or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Aber es ist eine Art emergency Trauma Show. Emergency based. Noah spielt einen Arzt. I don't remember ever really watching ER, but I did watch all the available episodes of this thing. And it kind of did, it struck some nerves with me. I mean, it definitely got me in some sort of zone around mostly mortality, certainly around healthcare, but more so in that area of when you're in trouble.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1613 - Noah Wyle
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you, but it was a humbler. It was definitely a humbler, but reasonable. And I'm glad I saw it, and I hope you will too. I'll let you know if it ever gets out there. All right, so I already talked a bit about this show and its effect on me. And again, I'm getting to an age where everything has kind of an effect on me, but I do believe...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Ja, aber auch, es ist einfach so, ich hasse es. Ich hasse Schreiben. Und ich bin ein guter Schreiner. Aber ich hasse es. Ich habe Skripte geschrieben. Ich mache diese tägliche Sache, die mich mit Prosen engagiert. Und sozusagen First-Person-Stuff. Aber wenn ich Shows mache und ich habe Skripte geschrieben, ist es für mich so, oh mein Gott. Es ist schwer. Es ist schwer. Es ist schmerzhaft.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Und es ist so, ich will nur fertig sein. Und ich bin nicht... Aber findest du... Ist es ein Punkt... Ich habe bemerkt, was ich mit Stand-Up tue. Ich arbeite und ich arbeite und ich arbeite. Und dann kommt es zu einem Punkt, wo ich in es bin. Ich fühle mich gut über das Arbeit. Ich performe es in einer Art, die mich nicht in der Lage braucht, es zu leben oder zu sterben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Also ist es ein Punkt, wo du sagst, ja, das ist gut. Ich schreibe. Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Es ist ein Drop and Hit. Aber ich meine, das ist wie, du weißt, du hast einige tolle Filme geschrieben. Little Man Tate was the big first one. Get Shorty, Out of Sight, which I just watched recently. The Interpreter, The Wolverine and Logan, Marley and Me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
The Interpreter for me, there are certain movies, I was trying to make a list for myself while I was on the treadmill today, of modern masterpieces. In terms of underappreciated movies. One of the ones that you wrote was Which is out of sight, I think, is one. Michael Clayton is one. Yeah, it's a perfect movie. It is, right? It's a perfect movie. I cannot shut up about it. Yeah. I get excited.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And I'll tell you something. I'm going to put Sicario on the list. I love Sicario. I'm going to put Sicario on the list.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Love Three Kings. Right. And then like... But Pollock... Did he direct the interpreter? He did, he directed it. So you worked with Sidney. He was my mentor. The best. Yeah. The best. And some of the movies he directed, grown-up movies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
He's the writer and director of the Netflix series Godless and The Queen's Gambit, as well as the new crime thriller Department Q, which I watched all of. You know, I've never been a binge-watching series guy, but I've had a few guests lately where I get it. I get how it's satisfying. And Department Q was very satisfying. And I also watched Friends and Neighbors.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Just to blow some smoke up for a minute. Absence of Malice, The Firm. The Firm is great. What a great fucking movie. Great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Jeremiah Johnson, für mich, weil niemand wirklich mit diesen revisionistischen Westerns zusammenfasst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Ich habe The Unforgiven ziemlich oft gesehen. Ein perfekter Film auch. Total. Und weißt du, was interessant ist? Es ist wie... He gets all the motifs in, right, of all the Westerns. And he does it pretty well. Maybe not all of them. That's not exactly true.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Like, there's some Westerns where, like, the ones that I think that are massive failures because of their need to, they overreached, was like Silverado. Yeah. Like, Kasdan's a smart guy. Yeah, very smart. Smart writer. But, like, I don't know what happened in that movie. It should have been good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Ja, ja. Weißt du, ich denke, es ist seltsam in meiner Erinnerung, und ich werde es wiederhören, es ist ein sehr finites und ein perfektes Westen. Ja. Who was that guy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Dude, I can't stop watching it. I had them screen it at Cinematek, because they asked me, like, you know, you want to host a screening, and I'm like, yeah, let's do that.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
With the lover? Yeah, he's got a wife. Yeah. Who's a guy. Yeah, yeah. But it's just so, the intensity of it. And just like that moment where Casale, is that how you say his name? John Casale, yeah. Casale. He's like, did you mean it? I'll do it. I'll kill him. And he realized, oh no, he's got to manage that guy. What country do you want to go to? Wyoming.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And the fact that it's a botched robbery from the second the movie starts. Right, the kid who was supposed to drive, he says, I can't go, I have to go, throws him the car keys.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Sure, Shampoo. Last Detail. Coming Home. The Last Detail and Coming Home. Fucking John Voight.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Well, you know, who knows actors? You know, we all make assumptions because of what they do. But, you know, you don't know them. You know, I don't know. I don't know what his dad was like. I don't know what any of them are like. But, you know, the gift of the actor is we never knew who they were as people. Well, I wish I still didn't know him. Well, that's the problem.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
No one shuts up now and everyone, you know. But he's particularly bad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Was it worth it? Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ed, Ed, what is it, Ed? Oh, yeah. But Aldrich did, he'd been around a long time. Oh, yeah, Baby Jane, whatever happened to Baby Jane? The Big Knife.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Somewhere in there. And... We don't stay in touch as much as we should because sometimes, you know, friendships, it's not even that they get strained. All of a sudden you just, time flies. Not even like that. Time, you just kind of realize one day like, oh fuck, I haven't talked to that guy in a month or two or three or six.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Really? No. With Rod Steiger and Jack Palance? I've never seen it. Shelly Winter? I've never seen it. Oh, you gotta find it. It's a Hollywood movie. It's about an actor who, you know, does a contract. An actor who had integrity.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Like, you know, imagine, because it's Odette's, it was like, he was part of the Living Theater and now he's in Hollywood and he does this contract with this studio and Steiger plays the head of the studio. And he sells his soul.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
It's great. Yeah. It's great. So funny. All of those. But, all right, so you read that at 11 and I imagine you saw the movie. So what is it that sets you spinning? You mentioned there's some alcoholism in your family.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
That's crazy to know what goes on in a cockpit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yeah, well, I mean, have you watched this new Nathan Fielder thing? Yeah, I just started. Wow. Wow. They should probably manage those conversations better. Yeah, they should. Yeah, they probably should. So, but, because even when I'm on a plane now, and you know when a pilot has to take it out of autopilot and fly the plane and you can feel it, I'm like, he's having fun.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Like, you know, I love it when they're flying the plane.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
So you had a, you know, I can't like, I don't know. So you're in the cockpit with your dad. Is he showing you how to fly?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
I can't even really remember the last time we hung out, but it had been a while. Und es ist einfach ein interessanter Moment, wenn du noch nie einen Freund gesehen hast und deine Vertreter, und du siehst ihn und denkst dir, wow, wir sind alte Leute. Und schau, ich sage nicht, dass ich alt bin, ich weine nicht darüber, aber ich bin 61.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Off you go. Sure. I think we're probably a couple down on the list, but it's happening now. Not to Jews.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Your identity is in the cloud, buddy. You can't hide behind a foreskin anymore. They know where we are and what we're doing. Whoever they are, whoever they decide to be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
They're all done. I grew up with different, not that same kind of pressure. For some reason, my parents were self-involved enough to believe that I had my shit together, which was its own problem. But they always thought I would be okay. Mein Großvater war anders. Er sagte, du solltest vielleicht einen Job im Post Office haben. Weil da ist Sicherheit und du bekommst eine Pension.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
My dad was an orthopedic surgeon and my mom was, I think she wanted to be an artist, but, you know, she ended up being some variation of a surgeon's wife. Oh, okay. But, you know, they were just very, you know, they were not equipped to parent. They had me when they were very young. So what I usually say is I don't see them as parents. I see them as people with problems I grew up with.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And I needed things from them emotionally that I didn't quite get. But you fix it or you live with it. Whatever. That's my anxiety. It's like, who's going to take care of me? Right. That's a whole other thing. And who am I? Those two. But not narcissists that way, just, or were they narcissists? No, my dad, I think, like, you know, that word gets bandied about quite a bit.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
But I think both of my parents had... Empathie. Und ich denke, mein Vater war ziemlich nahe zu einem Narzisst. Aber er war auch bipolar. Also das bricht die Narzisst-Schale. In einer Art. Und jetzt ist er meistens dementiert. Er ist also wunderschön geworden. Die Depression geht weg, wenn sie Dementia haben.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Das ist alles, was es braucht. Aber der Narzisst nicht so viel. Aber ja, er war definitiv ein Megalomanier. Ja. Not really equipped to do that stuff. But that's my life. So you're growing up in this. You got siblings?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Not a lot of anxiety going on there. Huh. Really? Yeah. And so you have a younger one and then a twin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Almost four years old. But you're the kid, you're interested in the arts early. Yeah, very much. So you're getting a pounding by them from day one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Weißt du, als ich 15 war und mir jemand sagte, dass ich 61 war, war ich so, holy shit. That guy's almost gone. But now I'm 61 and Jack's a couple years older than me. My buddy Steve, who I've known since college, he just turned 63. There's a zone of aging that seems to happen in, you know, around 60 to 65, where you make this one of the major turns physically. And that's just my speculating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And then you get to the point where there is no more fallback. There is no more fallback. And you know what the fallback always is? So when things get dire, let me guess, I could teach. I could teach.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
But if you're delusional, which you have to be to pursue a creative life, you're going to push back on the universe. Well, I would say reasonably delusional. Okay. So how does that unfold? Do you study screenwriting? I studied film studies, which is... Yeah, I did that.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Well, what was the stuff where, you know, at that time, because I remember, you know, I grew up, okay, you're a little older than me, but... But there was, you know, I took a screenwriting class and I took a history of film class with Roger Manville. And I took, I did an art history minor, you know, primarily focusing on the history of photography.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
So, but, you know, there was always this kind of like, well, Chinatown, right? Yeah. I mean, Chinatown is Chinatown. That's the script. That's the easy go-to, isn't it? It is, right? But then you sit there and you toil over it and you're like, yeah, I get it. It's great. It's pretty perfect. Because of the levels. Because of what it's really about is political and about greed and real estate.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
I watch it once a year maybe. But then when you get into Lumet, right? Lumet also... But he's very versatile. Yeah. Like that movie is an anomaly for him. I mean, like it is his movie. Well, it's a New York, I guess. Yeah, but still, but stylistically, you know, you look at The Black and White, you look at 12 Angry Men. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And then if you move through his filmography, he's very adept at different styles. Yes, he is. And he's not locked in. Yes. But I mean, but that's as a director.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Who is that noir guy? I kind of went on a little thing with him and now I'm forgetting his name. It was not the Kubrick killing. It was another killing. It was called The Killing. Oh, Siad Mack?
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Out of the past changed my life. Lady from Shanghai.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
In the arc of your life, though, what do you, and I know this is kind of a shitty question, what do you see as the best screenplay that kind of like works for you as a model of a lesson?
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
But it just was this moment where I'm like, oh, oh, man. Because Jack doesn't have kids either. And so we can't really judge ourselves against their growth or anything else. So there's some part of us that are still 1994. There's some part of me, I think, that's still like 1980. But I think there's some part of me that's 1972. They all exist within me.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
But everybody thinks that all you have to do is... Eine Idee. Und dann auch, aber es gibt auch, äh, die Bar hat sich enorm reduziert. Na ja, weil, ja. Ich meine, nur bestimmte Dinge können erfolgreich sein in einer mainstreamen Art und Weise, aber jeder Idiot kann sich ein paar Dollar machen, wenn er ein bisschen Scheiß zusammenstellt.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Aber man kann nicht wirklich Scheiß mit Screenwriting machen, weil letztendlich, ich meine, es gibt schlechte Filme. But, but, you know, if a movie sells, it sells. Right. And so you work within that. And if you're willing to sort of say like, well, I don't care if this sells, this is my vision. And then it sells. You're like, wow, we got lucky or my new one. So, but I love the movie.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
That's really gotten kind of confused. Yeah. Ja, aber das ist interessant. Du sagst es so, weil du Teil von Dutzenden und Dutzenden Filmen bist, in der Lage, Skripte zu fixieren, und dein Name ist nicht drauf. Du kannst es nur jetzt sagen. Und dann sagen Leute, was willst du tun?
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Right, right. And then some people get their name on there, you know, one way or the other. There's two or three names on there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And a lot of them haven't really aged, but there is this current of, I don't know if it's youthful thinking, it's just not really knowing, if you're just spending most of the time alone or with one other person that you see a lot, you just don't know until you see a pal you haven't seen in a year or so, that like, oh my, it's happening, dude, look at us.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
No. So, how do you end up, like, because you, you know, in terms of the type of movies that you've written, I mean, they're kind of, they go a lot of different places. So, when, but Little Man Tate was your first big movie. Right, I wrote that in college. You did. It didn't get made until 19. And that's an original screenplay. Yes, original screenplay. And that seems like an odd place to start.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Oh, und das Skript hat dich als Agent eingeladen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Because so many of the cities I've lived in have changed dramatically over time. So many of the people that I knew are either gone or have disappeared to where I don't even know where they are. He was talking about San Francisco and we were there in the 90s and how amazing it was before it all crashed. COVID really knocked the shit out of that place.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
You know, I just lost the feel for it. Right. But ultimately, once you write it and it's in the director's hands, I don't know, what's your involvement generally?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
That the boredom is, yeah. Well, I mean, I'm working on a script. I'm looking to direct. And my buddy Sam Lipsight wrote this book. And he hammered out, we've gone through, he's writing the script, but I'm kind of coming in, doing passes on it. We've been through five versions. Und ich war ein bisschen überrascht bei meinen Instinkten darüber, etwas aus einem Novel zu nehmen.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
In Bezug darauf, wie ist das ein Film? Weil es so viel mehr gibt, was man in einem Novel machen kann. Also musst du wirklich herausfinden, was die Geschichte ist und sagen, wie all diese anderen Geschichten sind. Gotta go. Right? Right. And I mean, I can't imagine what it's, you have to do that with Elmar Leonard stuff. But you had to deal with that.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
I mean, you had to, you know, take that writer and figure out how to make a movie out of those books. So what's the challenge there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
So what, did Sonnenfeld make it funnier than you anticipated? He just made it broader.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And all this stuff that him and I were brought up on, you know, I grew up in I mean, in terms of formative years. So I graduated high school in 81. And I was 10 and 63 and 73, 15 and 78. And all the stuff that we were picking up was the stuff left over from the 70s. And everything that San Francisco represented, all the free love and sort of celebration of weirdness and the embracing of...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Und es hat sich einfach geändert. And so that, as an adaptive skill, enables you to broaden your own ability to certainly adapt from fiction.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Interessant. Because those roles in Get Shorty are crazy. Great. That's Barry. He's something, man. He's the best. I read his book and I interviewed him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
But I just watched out of sight. I was like, I have to re-watch it. And I'm sure I'm not the first to say this. It was sort of a... Es ist ein Rücktritt zu einem 70er-Film, der nicht existenziell herausfordernd war. Es ist wie ein Romanz. Ja. Aber es ist in dieser Weise gesetzt, wo man es so gesehen hat, es ist fast so, ich weiß nicht, die leitenden Leute, wie Burt Reynolds.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Es gab Leute, die damals diese Filme mitgebracht haben, die relativ seriös waren und ein bisschen Verrücktheit hatten. Paul Newman, Harper. Ja, Paul Newman. But they were so charming that what elevated the thing, you didn't care about the dark backdrop. And I think that the dark backdrop of some 70s comedies is kind of like, have you ever seen how many people were killed in Freebie and Bean?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
It's crazy. It's crazy. And it's a comedy. And that was when I had that realization, like, they're not killing people anymore. You're not seeing that. I mean, they destroyed a city. In a cop comedy. But nonetheless, I felt like it had that, there was a lightness to it because you had, you get lightning in a bottle with those two, though.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
The gay community and all the sort of wild underground comics, underground art, all the weirdness of New York and L.A., all the freedom of expression that used to define some of these cities, all the beautiful diversity of creativity and just like pushing the envelope to find out, you know, what the what is the edge of the human expression, all that stuff.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Oh, you mean on an emotional level, but he didn't regret his line of work.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Right, but then it gives you a romantic ending. Yeah, exactly. And that, you know, and that, like, it seems like in the book, you know, she was not invested in her love. No. And in the movie, you're like, here we go again. Right. But you don't even know. Maybe he will break out.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Sure, sure. But it's that look on her face. Yeah, that look on her face.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Das ist genau das, was heute mit Antidiversitätspolitik, Antidiversitätsmovement, Antigay-Movement, all this stuff, moving towards this homogenization of mediocrity and thick-mindedness and bigotry is a fucking disaster. for the arts, for creativity, for human potential, for things that are interesting and provocative.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yes, yes. And it was just the two of you? Yes. What were the fundamental issues that he was worried about? The voice?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Aber es scheint so zu sein, wenn ein Direktor oder wenn du Rewrites tust, Like in certain situations, it's really not about the story per se. It's about, you know, elements of language or character. Yes. Yes.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
You gotta believe that the character is going to move through that plot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Oder am schlimmsten, wie in TV-Wissenschaften, wie bestimmte Dinge, die ich als Schauspieler als Schauspieler herausgefunden habe, ist, dass das nicht passieren würde. Richtig. Ich meine, warum hast du diesen Jungen so gemacht? Es gibt keine Art und Weise, egal wie falsch der Charakter definiert wird, er hat genug definiert, dass er das nicht tun wird. Also was können wir damit tun?
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Weil die Ausstellung hat ihn so gemacht. Ich weiß, es ist nur ein... Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
It's all being pushed aside in the name of anti-woke policy or in the name of anti-censorship, so we can do hack jokes about vulnerable, marginalized communities. It's just such a...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Also, wenn du jemanden wie Spielberg hast, der weiß, dass er große Filme macht, die für ihn einzigartig sind. Und er ist offensichtlich überragend kapabel. Also, wenn er jemanden bringt, ist es so, kann er es besser machen? Richtig. Richtig? Es ist nicht so, als wäre der andere Kerl verdammt.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And then the interpreter working with Sidney, that was a book?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
When I was talking to Jack and what we kind of grew up with, you know, our crumb, weird records, all kinds of strange, like the residents, like just the entire expanse of... And I watched that Pee Wee Herman documentary, half of it, the world he came from, the arts of the 70s. It's just all of that... But it was defining and essential and interesting.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
But after, like, so, and then the next few movies, you know, Marley and Me, what was that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Oh, that's great. And then, like, I guess, I mean, I'm not a Marvel guy, but the Wolverine and Logan are pretty high up on sort of the list of great, you know, kind of different type of Marvel movie.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And now we're just moving into this zone of authoritarian boredom and fear. And it's such a fucking shame. It's such a fucking shame to have people on podcasts looking at some of the greatest art of the 20th century and going like, I could do that. Just so thick-minded, out of context, without any sort of sense of open-mindedness or exploration.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And these are people that pay a lot of lip service to freedom of mind and freedom of speech. And it just fits so snugly into a very fascist point of view. And it's just, it's heartbreaking above everything else. It's angering and it's scary, but above everything else, the sort of movement to erase...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
die Art von progressiver und wirklich edgierer Kreativität, die sich entwickelt hat und progressiert hat in der Musik, im Malen, im Tanzen, im Schreiben, im Live-Performance. Es ist einfach so eine verdammt schmerzhafte Sache, mit so einer erstaunlichen, faszinierenden, Das ist ein volles Spektrum der menschlichen Ausprägung. Und das zu sehen, das ist einfach verdammt.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Du arbeitest mit einem Mann, der in der größten Maschine in Hollywood ist. Ja. Und ihr habt einen unabhängigen Film gemacht. Ich weiß nicht, wie wir damit weggegangen sind.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Do you think it's because you work for a living?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yeah. But that was, The Lookout was the first one you directed? That was the first one I directed, yeah. And then, what, you did one other film, directing and writing? I did A Walk Among the Tombstones.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Oh, good. And then with Godless, you were able to...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Shoot a lot of those? Yeah. Did you shoot all of them? All of them. Yeah. All of them and all of the Queen's Gambit. Well, that's interesting because, like, you know, you must have learned, you know, something from focusing on the novel in terms of your own voice.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
You wanted, in terms of Westerns... It was a great sandbox to play in. Yeah, yeah. But I assume, it's just interesting to me that as opposed to, you know, playing in the field of like, you know, being a big script writer and doctor and stuff, to just pull out and go like, I'm going to do an indie movie and not care, is that, you know, you picked a fairly big... Ja, Canvas.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Auch nur durch die Natur der Medien generell. Es ist einfach traurig. Und ich glaube, das ist wie ein alter Kerl, der spricht. Hey, was ist mit dem, was jetzt passiert ist? Es ist nicht das gleiche. Es hat nicht die gleiche visuelle Verbindung. Es hat nicht das Blut, die Blüten und das Gehirn und das Schmerzen, dass es tatsächlich um spannende Dinge geht. Ist es nur ich, der alt ist?
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yeah, but you're not making a gimmick out of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Und auch, wenn du diese Series oder diese Miniseries oder was auch immer sie genannt werden, die limitierten Series oder was auch immer sie genannt werden, weißt du, du kannst einen 8-Hour-Film machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yeah, I mean, I think it must be very exciting to know the craft so well and then to engage in this other craft. But being so adept at writing that it frees you, you know, you're not insecure about that. So you can really like, all right, if I'm insecure about being a director, you know, I can go to my own scripts or I can go to these peers that will, you know, inform me.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Und das passiert zumindest einmal oder zweimal auf alles, was ich je gemacht habe. Was hast du von Goldman gelernt?
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Ja. Yes. Yeah, well, I need the rest of it. And I can't wait for however fucking long. When is it going to be out? May 29th. Oh, soon.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Ich weiß es nicht. Ich weiß es nicht. I do know that I just did the beginning of the press junkets for the show Stick, which premieres June 4th on Apple TV. Me and Owen and Mariana and Peter and Lily were all doing sort of press tour stuff. That's going to be exciting. I haven't watched any of it. I'm going to watch it with everybody else. Or maybe not watch it at all.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Tell them to send it to you. But when you're going to write a movie, what do you know you have to do? Ja, wir wissen, dass es eine 3-Akt-Struktur ist. Nicht unbedingt. Okay, also das ist aus der Tür. Aber in Bezug auf die Essentials, in Bezug auf den Style oder in Bezug auf die Form, die schon in dir eingegangen ist.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Aber wenn du jemandem sagst, nicht um es für sie einfacher zu machen, aber aus deiner Sicht, was musst du tun, wenn du die Geschichte hast?
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Because it's another one of these worlds where, not unlike Queen's Gambit, where you're like, how are we in Edinburgh with a cop with PTSD because of a very specific thing that he might have fucked up and kind of moved from there. But I don't watch a lot of that type of television.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And because of that, and also because it's so good, I'm like, oh my God, why am I not watching more of this kind of... You know, it's like a little bit of a true detective element to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Because that's what Owen does. I can follow his lead. It's not great to watch yourself. Sometimes it is, but usually... It's not great. But everybody seems to like the show. Also, if you're going to be in New York on June 14th or 15th and you want to come to the showings of Are We Good, the documentary about me, the premiere is on the 14th.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yeah, well, no, because like, you know, it's one of these things where Es gibt ein paar Runden, wie in der letzten Folge oder vielleicht sogar in der fünften, die ich gesehen habe. Es ist nicht nur Penance. Nein. Und dann denkst du dir, oh Gott, also ist alles verbunden. Ja. Und jetzt weiß ich nicht, wie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Well, that's interesting because... It comes back around to... It's sort of the way that I create comedy bits. You don't know where it's coming from. Whether it's a muse or a gift or whatever. But when you're cornered and you've got no choice... You've got to find a place to land. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
You can go to WTFpod.com slash tour to get tickets to that. And I don't know, a lot of things going on, a lot of things going on, a lot of them bad. But in my life, you know, if I can continue to celebrate what I believe real creativity is and just hope to God that people are out there still doing it, still pushing the envelope in a way that takes real risks. God, I hope you're out there.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Well, that's a risk, but it seemed to have worked out for this last one anyway.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And also the liability of that is that, you know, once you get it all done, a month later you're like, no, I could have. I know, well, that's just part of us.
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Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Because my comedy is so fluid, you know, in terms of how it unfolds, you know, in real time and then kind of builds itself, it doesn't stop building itself. No. Once I've shot it. Right. So, you know, what are you going to do? You can add, you can... Do it later. You can keep going. Yeah, yeah. Well, great talking to you. Likewise. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. There you go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
You can stream Department Q on Netflix. It's a good show. It's engaging. I liked it. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Hey Leute, John Mulaney ist nächste Woche wieder auf dem Show. Und bevor sein neuer Episode am Montag ist, könnt ihr ihn auf Episode 551 hören. Du hast mein schlechtes Set gesehen, glaube ich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
But there was like concern. Like you got off stage and it was like you were fucked up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Das war's für Episode 551, kostenlos auf allen Podcast-Apps. Für jeden Episode von WTF, kostenlos. Abonniert WTF+. Geht einfach auf den Link in der Beschreibung oder geht auf WTFpod.com und klickt auf WTF+. Wiederum, John Mulaney wird am Montag Show sein. Und ich habe auch eine wichtige Erkennung am Anfang dieses Episodes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
I'll be looking for you. So look, Scott Frank is here. His new series Department Q premieres on Netflix today. And it's good. It's a good watch. It's one of those kind of traumatized, angry police situations. Cold cases. You know, I don't know the genre, but it turns out that it's better that I don't binge these kind of shows because I can't stop.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
And I guess that's the idea, but I've managed not to get too completely absorbed by too many of them. But I really enjoyed this one and I enjoyed talking to Scott. And so I'll let you listen to it now. And also... I got a pretty big announcement on Monday. I got a pretty big announcement on Monday. This is me talking to Scott Frank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Ich denke, dass die Leute sich sehr komfortabel mit ihrem Unruhe befinden. I don't know. Mine manifests itself in catastrophic thinking and dread.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what the fuckadelics. What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast, WTF. It's been my podcast for almost 16 years. That's crazy. That's crazy. Ja, how you doing? Today on the show I talked to Scott Frank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yeah, everything gets worse as you get older. I know, but the odd thing is that now you're financially more comfortable. Right. It's not necessarily that you have a guarantee of a job, but it seems like you do alright. At some point you've got to look at your resume and go like, I've never stopped working. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
I mean, I've tried it. Yeah, I think if you get a practice going, like in, you know, like my late partner, you know, she would do it twice a day. She was TM. Twice a day. Aber ja, sie war ein striktes Team. Ich meine, das ist, was du tust. 20 Minuten zweimal am Tag. Und 20 Minuten zweimal am Tag, das ist nichts. Ja. Und es ist, es sind einige Dinge, die so groß in meinem Kopf werden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
Yeah, I don't know if I'm in fight or flight, but I don't, my whole new special that I just recorded has to do with this, about the inability, some of the jokes, inability to identify happiness. Right. And, you know, anxiety and SSRIs. But like you're saying, this idea of identifying happiness, number one, and then sort of like experiencing joy, number two, I'm like, that sounds like bullshit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
You know, they're looking for a system. Yes. So they can write within the system. But if you don't have just the need or the compulsion or the discipline to just write the fuck out of things, what are you going to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1647 - Scott Frank
He's a writer, director, producer and one of the most prolific screenwriters in Hollywood. He wrote the screenplays for Get Shorty, Out of Sight, Minority Report, Logan and a lot more, including dozens of uncredited rewrites on films like Saving Private Ryan and Gravity.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und, naja, es gibt keinen Grund dafür. Ich habe es einfach nicht zusammen gemacht. Sie werden alle an meinen Cousins essen, aber ich werde nicht da sein. Aber das bedeutet nicht, dass ich nicht da bin im Geist oder ich kann nicht empathisieren für eure bestimmte Situation. But I have some thoughts. I don't know if you want my thoughts or maybe you do. Maybe that's why you're listening.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I'm gonna stay up a little while. I could keep having beers. Oh my god, dude. It's been so long since I thought about that shit. I mean, I think about it because I've been sober, real sober, 25 years. Change. But I remember just sitting there. And there's nothing going on. You're just drinking. Nothing going on. It's just to help you drink longer. By yourself, too, at the end.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Yeah, I think that's what it comes down to. But initially, if you're at the store or something, or out at a bar, and you're drinking, and it's like 11.30, and you start thinking like... Er wird sich umdrehen. Ich werde den Mann anrufen, um dieses Party zu starten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, aber es ist einfach nie ganz richtig. Ja. Es ist einfach... Oh mein Gott. Now I'm just like, I'm tasting it. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. You're not missing much. When you lay in bed and you're like, I can do it. I think I'm sleeping. I think I'm sleeping. We're totally sleeping.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
You hear a guy going to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Door slamming. Outside. Car doors. I love you. No one loves me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
And then you get up and you just sort of, I'm just going to ride it out as long as I can until you totally pass out. Yeah, but I get that thing where you think you're sleeping, but you're not. Like, you know, I wouldn't be thinking this if I was awake. This is not an awake thing. I like tricking yourself in it. We're sleeping right now. Everything's fine, dude.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
We're sleeping totally. So, like, here's what, I don't know, like, I don't know when I first met you. Do you? Probably when I was a door guy. Okay, so it was a door guy thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Really? Yeah. It's like, I'm embarrassed, like, you know, because I've always seen you around and I kind of knew you. I don't know what the hell I'm thinking. It's not out of arrogance or anything else, but there always comes this moment where guys I've seen for years, and then I'm just sitting in the OR one night and I'm like, holy fuck, this guy's got something. He's a funny guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
There's layers. Yeah. Well, when did you start there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
It was harder to get past. Yeah, it was way harder. And I feel like it was harder with Adam. Yes, Adam was very hard.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I'll get to them. Let me just say this. If you want to get your holiday shopping started with a Brian Jones Cap Mug, there's a new batch on sale tomorrow, Black Friday at noon Eastern. These are the mugs. Das gebe ich meinen Gästen. Sie sind handgemacht von Brian Jones. Er hat einige mehr von den schwarzen und goldenen gemacht. Also kriegt ihr eure, starting tomorrow, an wtfmugs.co.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
What the fuck was that like? I talked to like nine people in my life, four people, five, I don't know. Sacramento, I've always had a weird vibe about Sacramento.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Das ist die Anzeige. Das ist die Anzeige. Guck dir das an. Haben die Leute ihn überhaupt kennengelernt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But there was a big Russian community there in Sac? Yeah. But where'd you like, so, you just went to, you didn't go to college or nothing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I had that happen here a couple weeks ago. Oh, ich war nicht zu Hause, weil ich das Show gedreht habe, und ich war einfach nicht im Wohnzimmer. Und ich bin da runtergegangen und, Alter, da war mehr Ratscheibe, als ich je gesehen habe, je gesehen habe, in meinem Leben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und da war, weil ich riechte, ich war um zu gehen, und ich riechte, als wäre es ein totes Tier. Und da war ein Rat da unten tot, und ich dachte, da ist noch viel mehr, aber es war nicht. Ich habe zwei Schrauben rausgelegt. Ich weiß nicht, wie er gestorben ist, er hat sich einfach ausgetrocknet. Aber anscheinend ein Rat, weißt du, wenn sie sich komfortabler machen, und du sie nicht verarschst,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Sie sind schöne Dinge und sie sind schöne Geschenke. Und wenn jemand, den du kennst, dieses Show mag oder du es für dich magst, geh schon. Sie sind unik. Sie sind alle, jeder von ihnen ist unik, wie ein Katz. Steve Fury is on the show. He's a regular at the Comedy Store and he's toured with Burt Kreischer. But he's one of these guys that I used to see all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
They can shit 50 times a day. I mean, I would say, what are your cats doing? I would say that's kind of their thing. Yeah, I know, but I don't let them down there. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? They don't go down there. It's almost a basement. It's a large crawl space. So when you're coming up in high school, you got brothers and sisters? No. You're it? Mm-hmm. Fuck, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
That's a lot of pressure. I always think it's a lot of pressure, but I've never talked to an only child that feels that way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh, also du bist einfach wieder zurückgegangen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh, okay. So you held them together in that way. But was it like one of those things where it's like, fuck you, I'm going to live with dad?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
So they were good. So when you're in high school, what are you doing? Just to fuck up? Was für ein Auto hattest du?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, und dann musst du zu ihnen gehen. Ja, all diese Jungs, wie dein Vater, sind aus der Straße. Außer wenn du ein altes Auto holst. Ja, er sagt, ich brauche eine elektronische Kugel für das. Ich meine, was? Ich verstehe nicht. Was bedeutet das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh, you were on the cusp. You were the jock that could hang out with the freaks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
So it was more of a kind of like a, you know, just some guys with something to do. Yeah, it was definitely like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I've appeared on his shows sometimes. And it was one of these things where I finally at some point sat down and watched him. And I'm like, holy shit, this guy's a funny fuck. He's the real deal. I wonder what his story is. So I asked him to be on the show. Turns out his mom's a big fan. I get that a lot. I get that a lot now. Yeah, my mom loves you. I'm like, oh, how old are you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
So you go down to the pharmacy? Yep. Buy them? Buy them, yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy shit. I don't think you can manage that anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But, like, so you could go, you'd go to a Mexican doctor and get a script?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich fahre. Du parkierst und fährst? Ich fahre immer. Also zu Juarez? Nein, ich fahre nach Tijuana. Tijuana, oh ja. TJ. Juarez ist unten bei Texas. Ja, Texas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
So you just walk in and just be like a thousand, take that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I did that. Holy shit. I knew a guy, old comic, he's dead now. He used to have to go down there to get his... He liked those Tylenols with codeine. Oh yeah, those are fun. Those are actually legal in Canada still. Oh really? You can just get them? Tylenol 3s, yeah. Yeah, I stay away from it all. Yeah, I don't do it anymore. So you go down there and then you just come back up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Was that because they knew you were going to do it anyways? And they just were trying to help the kids not get drunk? Yeah, I think it was more of a fun place at the time. Tijuana? Tijuana was. Ja, ich weiß, aber es war nie so gut, es war nie sauber.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But but I just wanted to get to know him. So I had him on because I think he's a funny fucker. So look, you guys, I've been thinking. I've spent a few days here in New Mexico, my hometown. I spent a lot of time with my dad this time. And I don't know. You know, it's difficult, man. It's difficult when they're old and they're kind of losing it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
That was when it sunk in? But I imagine in the process of once he's like, we just got to go down here. You were like, fuck it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, ich bin in Peanut-Plätzen. Ja. Ja, mit den Schälen. Mit den Schälen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
A pen. Like that's part of the barn thing. Like she's an animal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But I found some interesting things about me and my father at this stage of where he's at. Is that... I feel like I have the same approach to him that he had to me in my life. Like, you know, there were times where I was hobbled or I thought I was sick or I broke my bones. He was an orthopedic surgeon. He set my leg twice and it's still, I don't walk right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Aber war das die schrecklichste Drogen-Situation?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Yeah, well, you know, you get into that, then you get like a small job and you can move your way up. Yeah, and then you manage a restaurant and a hotel. Yeah, or you just fucking...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Nachdem du rausgehst. Wie weit willst du das nehmen? Willst du den einfachen Weg?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Du bist einfach gegen das. Gott, die Leute, die den Blow im Restaurant machten. Oh mein Gott. Es waren immer die Küchen, wenn ich... Oh, Küchen sind verrückt. Ja, sie sind der Wahnsinnigste. Yeah, I had one manager when I worked at it, when I was a grow cook at a place, you know, I don't know, it was after college or like, I don't know, in college for five fucking years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But it was just like, you know, just that doing, you know, like when you work at a restaurant and you got to do a breakfast shift and you fucking do blow the night before and you get there and, you know, you're just hoping that the fucking manager is going to give you something to get through the road. Is there water?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
You had a real guy. I had a real guy. A three pound guy, that's bordering on dangerous. Nein, er war gefährlich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Nein, ich war nicht... Ich weiß nicht, ob die Leute dich hören. Oh, ja. Ein paar Leute hören. Vorbehalten bedeutet, dass sie es dir geben und du ihnen das Geld zurückzuholen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Das ist wie Cowboy Town, oder? Was ist Stockton? Ich erinnere mich, da war ein Gig da, als ich in San Francisco lebte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und das ist ein Indikator für die Art von Aufmerksamkeit, die man von einem Vater haben könnte, als von einem Arzt. Ich habe keine Erinnerung daran, dass ich in der Therapie, als ich eine Spiralfraktur von meiner Tibia hatte, weil er meine Ski-Bindungen zu tief gesetzt hat und ich es aufgeworfen habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja. Und mit dieser Situation gibt es keine Rückkehr. Es ist nicht so, dass du nicht zurückgehen wirst und ihn holen wirst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Er war ein 6-8-Jähriger. Aber er war unabhängig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich habe keine Erinnerung auf physische Therapie, nachdem er über meinen Fuß rannte, während ich versucht habe, aus dem Auto zu kommen. Aber ich war glücklich in den Momenten, in denen er wusste, wie man ein Bein und ein Bein setzen kann. Aber es gab nicht viel Nachfolger. Und es war immer ein nicht unbedingt hartes Lieben, ein bisschen enttäuscht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und ich habe mich heute gefunden, als ich ihn aus dem Auto helfe. because he's not totally disoriented, but walking seems to be a challenge and memories are fading. And I don't know, I have a certain amount of humor about it, but I do find myself going, come on, you good? You out? Can you get out? You need help? What do you want?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
He's dead. So when he fell on the bed, that was it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
The college. I know that college. But I was able to get out of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
So what happened? How did it resolve itself ultimately? Did you work off the 45?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Aber ist es nicht so, dass es einen Moment gibt, ich habe noch nie Drogen behandelt, aber es gibt einen Moment, wo du klar ein paar von ihnen hattest, wo du das Leben lebst und du merkst, es muss nicht Drogen sein, die dich töten. Ja. Du wirst in einer Situation sein, wo du runtergehen wirst.
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Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und es war neben dem Mattress-Store in der Mall.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Wussten die Leute in der Komik, dass du verabschiedet wurdest?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Waren da Leute, die ich kenne, die Teil dieser Szene waren?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Es ist nicht so, dass ich nicht interessiert bin, aber es ist ein sehr praktischer Ansatz. Es ist nicht sehr emotional verpackt. Ich bin nicht unbedingt interessiert. Ich bin nur so wie, was brauchst du? Gehen wir aus dem Auto? Gehen wir? Gehen wir? Bist du gut? Und ich habe heute gemerkt, dass das genau so ist, wie er mich behandelt hat. Aber er war verantwortlich für beide Zeiten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Also haben sich keine von ihnen hierher gemacht. Warst du noch auf Rode-Gigs? Ja, ich habe diese Dinge genannt, Triple Runs. Triple Runs, ja, ich habe die Triple Runs verpasst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
You know, you just don't know where you're going. And then you show up and you're like, where do I stand?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Aber das ist, wo du deine Zähne schneidest? Ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
How far? I can't remember. What's that drive? Hour 45? Hour and a half? Because, yeah, I remember, like, so you were going up to San Fran to do that shit? What was left there? Was it Molly at the Punchline? Molly, yep. Molly was there. She passed me a couple times. Oh, that's good, man. I mean, that room, like, it's so weird in San Francisco. Like, the vibe in San Francisco is so weird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But I guess it was still a community then. What's that, 10 years ago? Yeah, it was closing in the...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Es war... Es war... Es war noch okay. Es war noch okay. Wie Moshe Kasher war da?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Sie... Ja, sie hat für mich an der Punchline gefeiert. Ich dachte, sie war furchtbar. Ja, sie war großartig. Sie hat immer... Auch damals, Mann, sie hatte diese fucking Edge. Ja. Sie war so, fuck dich. Ja. Ja, gute Geschichten. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich habe mein fucking Bein gebrochen. Ich bin nicht verantwortlich für seine fucking, du weißt, seine Dementia oder was auch immer. Aber es ist egal. I was both amazed that I was sort of approaching him with the same kind of caring, aggravated detachment that he did me. But also, you know, happy to be there, happy to help out, happy to spend time with him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Sie waren lange weg, aber es gab noch eine andere Generation von Proops und Dana Gould und Leute, die die zweite Runde hatten. Aber es war einfach, dass alle weg waren. Und wir sind hochgegangen und sie waren so, oh mein Gott. Did you do that competition?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Yeah, I came in second in 90... Fuck. Yeah. Yeah, because, like, you know, you were working up to the finals or whatever, and you never understood the scoring, but, you know, there was... Du hattest alle Punchlines, du hattest Roosters, es gab ein Winery-Gig, es war verrückt. Ja, die Gigs waren nicht so gut. Sie gingen runter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh, nein, nein. Roosters war in Sunnyvale, ja. Oh, ja, Roosters. I like Roosters. Roosters is good. Yeah. Good sound system, I think. Yeah. I think they got a good one. They set up well. Yeah. They got the back patio. Just the name. Yeah. And that guy who owned it, I don't think he owns it anymore. No. That guy, Tony?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't been up there in a long time. Well, if you work punch, I don't know if you can work that one. Well, I don't know. Like, I haven't done the punch in forever either. But it was so important, man. And the original Cobbs. It was so important. The second Cobbs. Das war großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Es war süß. Und dann hat es gebrannt. Und Tom Sawyer, der da rannte, war ein bisschen verrückt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Aber das war der zweite. Oh, der erste war noch besser? Ich weiß nicht, wer weiß. Er war schon weg. Ich war da, um den Hohelied-Zoo zu sehen. Du hast den Ort gesehen? Ich habe da gearbeitet, ja. Ein paar Mal. Es war immer noch da. Es war wie vier Leute. Oh, wirklich? Ja. Es wurde romantisiert. Ich glaube, es war ein guter Ort, aber es war so klein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und ja, als ich da war, war alles auf Füßen, Mann. Und das erste Jahr, als ich das Festival gemacht habe, war Johnny Steel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Sie sind immer noch da. Hast du den Throckmorton gemacht? Ja. Als ich am Throckmorton war, war es so, dass Moritz Saul in der Drehstelle war. Er hat mich nie genannt. Ich weiß nicht, warum. Er wusste nur, dass er mich nicht genannt hat. Robin war da. Robin Williams würde kommen. Dana Carvey würde kommen. Es war ziemlich cool. Ich erinnere mich an einen Tag, als ich da arbeitete.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und ich bin da hochgekommen und ich hatte den falschen Wochenende. Like, you know, I thought I was headlining, but they had booked some other guy, and now that guy's mad at me. And I'm headlining up there, and Robin's there one night. And I'm doing all right, but every time a joke... He's up in the balcony, no one knows he's there. And every time a joke bombed, I just hear him go...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
And I just knew that if I addressed him, he would be on stage within 40 seconds. And then I'd be in some sort of improv spiral with Robin, and my whole set would be garbage. They always paid good, though. No, it was a nice gig. Yeah, it was a good gig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
And I don't know, I had some sort of weird shift about this thing, about the predicament of being... A reasonable person in the face of an unreasonable election outcome and the sort of divisiveness that exists all the way down to the familial playing field or the familial relationships that are strained by this thing, you know? Und ich weiß, wir sind wieder da. Und du bist wieder da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh. So you moved down here and you were still going back up there to work? Yes, all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Well, that's what I did when I moved to New York. Every weekend I have to go do the one-nighters to make the living.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Es ist eine wilde Sache, auf diese Stelle zu kommen. Weißt du, was jetzt so toll ist? Als ich in den 80ern da war, war es verrückt. Es war verrückt, weil es die Zeit von Dice und Sam war. Also brachen beide diese Jungs innerhalb von einem Jahr von sich. Also als ich im Laden war, war Sam auf dem Weg. Kenison war auf dem Weg. Und er hat das Gebäude. Das Gebäude ist sehr an große Egoen anwesend. Ja.
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Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
And that's what's so good about it now. There aren't any.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Emily's fucking great. Yeah, I think so too. And like all of a sudden you got acts that aren't like, you know, weirdos. Like you get, like the diversity of acts now is better than I've ever seen it since Mitzi fucking ran the place. For sure. Und es ist alles, was soll ich sagen, egalitarisch. Alle diese Leute, die die Güter hatten, aber nur marginalisiert waren, sind jetzt alle die Leute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und sie können den Job machen. Aber als ich da war, war es verrückt, weil Montagabend keine Coverabend war. Ich glaube, es war. Das war das Gleiche, bis zur Pandemie war es immer noch gratis. It was nuts. Because Kennison, that was his night. So all the fucking, the entire world of Hollywood, rock and roll, drugs and porn would just converge on the place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
A lot of people say good things about Joe. The most recent manifestation of Joe is harder for me to deal with. But as a guy who loved the place and certainly built it up, he's definitely a part of it, of mythologizing it. Because everyone thought that when all those guys fucking left to Austin to build their own Hollywood... They thought it would suck the juice out of the place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But the place in and of itself now is a destination. Yes. Because people, they don't know who they're going to see. Yes. And it's still pretty exciting. Because, you know, Burr will come by, Spade will come by. You don't know who the fuck is going to show up. Rock. It's back on top.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich habe da nie gearbeitet, aber es ist der beste. Ich denke, es ist wirklich der beste. Es ist der einzige, der... Es ist ein origineller Ort und es ist immer so, wie es war. Ja. All they did was fix things that really needed to be fixed. Ja, like plumbing. Plumbing. And having a bathroom. Having the bathroom. Like those two single occupancy bathrooms. Oh, I remember those things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
With the payphone in the middle. Like when you did Blow, those were the fucking... Yep. That was the best. Best.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
And that was the only place to go to the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could go upstairs by the office. But that's all locked up now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Wait, but the one in the belly room? No, no, that one's terrible. Right, but you can't get into the office now because there's a door there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Yeah. That's the pooping one. If I gotta go, I'll fucking poop in the hallway one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I've done that before. Sure, if you really gotta go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I don't know how this shit's gonna go, so I don't wanna...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich brauche eine hohe Qualität. Ich muss mich ausbrechen. I get that thing on planes too. It's like, why do fucking people become animals on planes? It's like, what the fuck is happening? Who's doing this?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh ja, immer. Okay, also was passiert? Du gehst da runter, die erste Nacht, du siehst es und du denkst, das ist es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja. Sein Chef-Hat. Ja. Du weißt, Leute mit, du weißt, Juggling-Balls.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und ich weiß nicht, vielleicht könnte ich eine Geschichte teilen, die passiert ist. Ich weiß nicht, ob es bemerkenswert ist oder was. Mein Vater und ich denken nicht... We're on different sides politically, but he's not a very political person. And he's also like, he's not all there. So, you know, he just reacts emotionally. And he's like, you know, yeah, I think that Trump's a good guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I had no idea what Kill Tony... This is the punching bag spot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Es ist so verdammt wild, dass wenn... Und die Unterschiede sind, es ist seltsam, weil auch die Erfahrung, die ich hatte, weil ich deine Shows gemacht habe, du hast mich auf deine Shows gebucht, was immer Spaß macht. Und ich habe dich gesehen, aber es gab etwas, es gab etwas, du weißt, nur jemanden zu sehen, du weißt, sitting in the back of the OR.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Man kann wirklich jemanden sehen, der der echte Kerl ist, der Knöpfe hat. Es gibt nichts anderes, was dieser Kerl tun wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Aber es ist einfach so eine seltsame Sache. Und das ist das, was ich bemerkt habe. Weil die OR... In a moment in the OR, there is an honesty available that only can happen in that room. Yes. You can't do that in the main room. No, because you feel the weight of it for some reason.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
You can do it occasionally in the main room, but in the OR, when all the fucks go away, all of a sudden you're in this zone where it's just you, pure, right? Und nicht jeder kann das machen. Manche Leute sind überrascht von diesem Raum und manche Leute können einfach nicht über ihre Aktien kommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Das muss sein, warum ich zu spät hingegangen bin und ich nur Leute schaue, weil ich sie lachen muss. Und ich schaue dich an und ich bin so, oh, dieser Typ ist wie, du weißt, das ist das echte Ding. Dieser Typ macht nichts anderes. Nein. Nein. Das ist alles, was ich jemals machen wollte. Aber es ist verrückt, wenn du daran denkst, Mann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Weißt du, so ein Triple-Run, das sind nur Momente, die ich mit mir habe. Weil ich weiß nicht, wer derjenige war, der das gemacht hat, als ich Comedy angefangen habe. Aber ich habe nichts anderes gedacht. Und ich würde das machen. Es ist wie, ich fahre nach Mainz für acht Stunden. Für 75 Stunden. Und ich muss wer fahren? Der Hypnotist? Das ist okay. Das ist okay. Ich kann es dir öffnen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Jetzt, dass du Hack gesagt hast, kannst du nicht seinen Namen nennen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
And I'm like, all right. You know, what am I going to do? You know, yell at my dad with dementia. I know his wife doesn't, you know, think the same way I do politically for religious reasons and other reasons. But it was funny because I was driving over there. I was like, all right, just, you know. Nothing has changed other than everything on some level.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Yeah. It's like they say to him like, wow, that was really fun. They look at you and they're like, hey. Hey, you're there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I know, I was like that for years. It's a fucking nightmare. And I was doing TV and everything. I couldn't fucking sell tickets. I hated it. When I started the podcast, I was like... I had no anticipation of anything, but I knew that... Wenn man sich auf einen unbekannten Headliner anschaut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und sie sagen, wir sollten ihn unterstützen, Comedy zu machen. Und ich sage, das ist, was ich tue. Das ist, wer ich bin. Ich weiß nicht, ich bin immer noch so. Ich habe ein paar sehr schöne Leute, die mich sehen. Aber wenn ich meinen Publikum sehe, sage ich, weißt du, wer ich bin? Ich bin ein Monster. Und sie sagen, nein, du bist nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
That's right. You said, like, cigar mark, like, tell stories.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Yeah, I always... You only got two dollars? Not only do I always tip, but I assume, like, you know, how much is Whitney giving you? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I never even think to not tip. If I don't, I feel terrible. Ich bin generell ein 5er. Ein 5er. Und wenn ich vergesse, in die Rückseite zu gehen, um einen 10er zu brechen. Einige Leute bekommen einen 10er. Das ist ein großer Tag für einen. Ich habe einen 10er von Marc. Was? Wie oft bist du auf der Straße? Ich habe gerade meine Sommer-Tour gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Vancouver, ich war da schon Monate und es gibt keine Klub in der Stadt mehr. Also, ich war da, um die besseren Die Comic-Produzenten-Räume, eine von ihnen war gut, zwei von ihnen. Und ich musste nur ein bisschen arbeiten, aber es ist nicht das Gleiche. Ich bin einfach nicht rausgegangen in die House of Comedy. Ich weiß nicht, warum. Sie haben gesagt, komm raus. Und ich bin so, ich weiß nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But these are people, they're your family, you go in. So I walk into their house and my dad's wife is listening to, Rosie's listening to something on her computer. It sounded like talk radio to me. It was just that broadcasting voice sound of people going at it or engaged in that patter that is talk radio. And I'm just walking down the hallway, my dad's, I don't know, Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Absolut. Es ist wie ein Monument zum Geldwanderer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, es ist verrückt. Es passiert in Florida auch. Und in New York. Sie planen einfach ihr Geld dort. Und sie geben es nicht. Es ist verrückt. Ich verstehe die Vorstellung davon. Also, wenn du dieses Ding bauen wirst, und du hast all das Geld drin, aber du wirst es nicht verkaufen, und du kannst es nicht verkaufen, was ist der Punkt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich weiß es nicht. Ich habe keine Ahnung, was mit diesen Gebäuden passiert. Wenn niemand sie umbaut und sie verkauft, wie ist das überhaupt eine gute Investition?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, diese Hochreisen. Aber ich weiß einfach nicht, was das Endgame ist. Weil man sie nicht verkaufen kann. Ich denke, es ist ein Get-in-Get-out-Ding. Oh. Oh, so they're making money on the money somehow. Yeah. I don't understand. But anyway, so how do you put yourself out in the world? How do people, like, know you? How do people know me? I don't know. I don't know if they do know me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
What's the big plan on building the draw? I don't know how to plan. I'm not putting you on the spot here. But yeah, what's the social media presence like? Mid? Yeah. You know, I don't think...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Oh, das ist es? Ja. Du bist lustig, Junge. Ich freue mich, Mann. Du siehst relativ gesund aus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, es ist eine seltsame Entscheidung, aber ich habe gelernt, dass ich glücklich bin. Du willst nicht Teil von jemand anderem sein. Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Well, the weird thing is, is you would think... Und ich habe das von anderen Leuten bemerkt. Selbst wenn ich Freunde habe, die groß sind, dann ziehe ich sie zurück. Weißt du, was ich meine? Weil ich es gesehen habe, wie es mit Candice war, als ich ein Türlehrer war. Du siehst diese Leute, sie haben alle diese Crews. Und, weißt du, für den meisten Teil gehen sie nirgendwo. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, ja, ich bin nur ein, und auch wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich, wenn ich,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
That's why he's so impressive to me. Well, all those guys have to feed the monster all the fucking time. That's a big fucking monster, dude. Yeah, and I don't know what I would do. If I had that many people that liked me, I'd be like, there's something wrong with them, me. I don't know what happened.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja, aber es ist auch der Fakt, dass die Verantwortung davon und auch der Niveau der Arbeit oder was auch immer, ich verstehe es nicht. Aber in meinen ruhigeren Momenten, ich weiß, dass ich das nicht will. Aber es gibt noch eine andere Teil von mir, die Ego-Teil von mir, die sich fragt, warum? Es sollte mir gegeben werden. Ja, ja, aber ich will es nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich habe die Arbeit eingefügt, um genau so zu sein, wie ich bin. Und ich weiß nicht mal, wie ich einen Akt konstruieren kann. That those people would want. Or those people, whatever. Or the huge audience. I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But eventually, you know, I just, within 40 seconds, 30 seconds, I said, what are you listening to? With a slight, you know, I was ready to kind of get into this judgmental zone of like, oh, yeah, Hewitt, whatever. Hannity, what is it? Which one of those idiots are we listening to today? And I go, what are you listening to? She goes, you. I'm like, what? I'm like, which one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich meine, es ist auch so, wie... Ich meine, es ist eine ganz neue Art von Komödie jetzt. Wir wollten einfach ein Leben machen. Ja, ich will ein Leben machen. Ich will Club-Daten machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ich meine, ich spreche von diesen Steaken für 200 Dollar. Warte, warte. Er würde es machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Ja. Er ist ein guter Kerl. Aber es war gut, dich zu sprechen. Ja, danke dir sehr. Kann ich etwas sagen? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
All right. Well, that's good to know. All right. Well, what's her name? Sandra. Sandra, he did great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Well, there you go. That's Steve Fury. You can go see what he's up to at stevefury.com and at his social pages. And a special hello to Steve Fury's mom, my fan. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Hey, Folks, you can get the latest Ask Mark Anything Bonus Episode with your full Marin subscription. I took some time here in Albuquerque to answer the latest round of your questions. How often do you get recognized in public? I would imagine it happens almost any time you go out shopping at Whole Foods and other routine outings.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Is this something you have to mentally think about before you go out, or is it just routine at this point? I'm fortunate in that most of my fans are very decent people. They're good people. Many of them see me and they don't... feel the need to talk to me and others come up and they're nice. It's not all the time. I'm still a very kind of... I'm not a huge star.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I'm still sort of an acquired taste and there are people that know me. But most of the time I'm not mobbed or anything. And as I said, most of my fans are polite people. But they say hi and I'm okay with it. I like it. I'll have a conversation. They ask me personal things because if you listen to my podcast, you know me pretty personal. I don't mind it at all. It's pretty routine, but it's not...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
She's like, the one that came out yesterday. And I'm like, oh, she's like, we always listen. And I'm like, oh, my God. Just, you know, is a humbling moment that I couldn't even identify my own voice because I don't ever listen to the playback. It just sounded like, you know, talk radio to me, which is sort of what this is. But but it just kind of diffused something in my brain. And I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Boomer lives. Monkey in La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
What is my point? As we enter this zone and as I deal with my aging and fragile father, is that I think there was a time where these political... sides and division wasn't as defined and horrible and toxic and everybody is sort of informed with their own version of what they think justifies their ideology or their anger or whatever. It was obviously different.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Are you listening on Thanksgiving Day? Is this your Thanksgiving pep talk? Is this your way out? Have you pulled yourself away from the chaos in the kitchen or the chaos of the family drama? Whatever that may be. Are you looking for respite? Well, maybe I can help you. I don't know. I'm not doing my regular Thanksgiving thing, because the situation is different, but I just didn't get it together.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
There was, I believe, a time where people just voted and you may know that they are different politically than you are, but they are still your family. And I think in the past... You know, I've had this idea that like, you know, it's going to be tough. And, you know, I mean, I hope you get through your meal. You know, I hope it doesn't get too heated.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But on the side of where I come from, I can get heated or whatever and I don't like it. I don't like engaging in those arguments because all of a sudden you enter this tenor, this tone. Even if you think you're being rational and reasonable and you just want to talk this out. You can actually get beside yourself into this tone that has no real empathy to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
It's just sort of anger and disbelief and this desire to speak your mind, even though you know it's not going to go anywhere. And I guess the moment I had with my dad and just in general is that political affiliation or thought Es ist nur ein Teil einer Person. Even if they're all caught up, even if they're frothing at the mouth, even if they are gloating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
And families are fraught with other issues. And oddly, I think the discourse politically, especially if you're on a different side than certain family members that you have to spend time with, a lot of the posturing and anger and kind of arrogance to it It may be masking a lot of other stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I think that seems to be what we do sometimes, you know, in relationship and families is that if you can lock into something that, you know, is decisive and you believe it in a moment, but has nothing to do with the general disposition or your emotional experience with your family, you know, you lean into it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und ich glaube, was ich sagen würde, nur weil ich es gerade für mich selbst erlebt habe, ist, versuche zu sehen, was die anderen Komponenten sind. Ich meine, wenn du Liebe für diese Leute hast, versuche, zu diesem Ort zu kommen. Weil sie werden nicht immer noch da sein können. Und du kannst zu deinem Graben gehen, mit ihnen zu unterscheiden. Und sie werden nicht immer deine Meinung sehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Aber wenn es da Liebe gibt und es da Geschichte gibt, Find that place and try to sit in that a little bit and rise above it. These people aren't around forever. And some of the stuff that lies beneath whatever political views they may have may be traumatizing or difficult as well. But I don't know. Just to save your own sanity, I would try to engage with what
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Was du daraus kommst und die guten Teile davon und vielleicht die Zeiten, in denen du mit diesen Leuten verbunden warst, in einer Art und Weise, die dich definiert und einige der guten Dinge über dich selbst und die guten Dinge über sie. Ich denke, du solltest versuchen, das zu tun. Das bedeutet nicht, dass du nicht eine Pause nehmen kannst. Aber versuche nicht, deine Scheiße zu verlieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und es ist nicht dein Job, andere Leute von ihrem Scheiß zu stoppen. Aber, äh, wiederum, das geht zusammen mit dem Thema, dass du dich hältst, dass du dich hältst, dass du dich hältst, dass du dich hältst, dass du dich hältst. ist, dass ich nicht wie er bin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Es gibt Dinge, die ich von ihm habe, die, weißt du, sind, weißt du, ein bisschen Verpflichtungen und ich bin nicht überrascht darüber, aber für den meisten Teil, einige der Dinge, dass, weißt du, er ist einer dieser Leute, wo alles Bullshit ist, weißt du, was ist der Punkt, wer gibt ein Scheiß, aber, aber auch das ist Posturing, weißt du, diese sind alle, jeder ist fragil und
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
They can't hide their humanness. I'm not even going to say humanity, because I'm not disregarding the idea that there are monsters out there. But I don't know, for your own sanity and maybe... Ich würde versuchen, das zu finden, weil was immer an deiner Abendplatte passiert, wird nicht die Welt verändern.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Und alles, was in der Welt passiert, ist aus unserer Kontrolle auf irgendeinem Niveau, zumindest an diesem Tag, und in dem Raum, in dem du bist, oder in dem du sein wirst. Und alles, was da passiert, ist... It's not going to make anything necessarily better in the world or provide you with solace or it could make you more angry.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
I'm going to be home for Thanksgiving, and I think it seems that I will be watching several different screens, because Kit wants to watch the dog show, the parade, and a game of some kind, thinking about making some chili, laying low. Ich bin beschäftigt und ich habe es einfach nicht zusammen gemacht, um nach Florida zu gehen, weil meine Mutter nicht mehr in ihrem Haus ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But the bottom line is that if you're with family and it's strained, you do have a little bit of control over that. And you do have an ability to act differently or think differently or take contrary actions to what your emotions are telling you to do. Find the love, folks. Find the love. Because everyone's gonna die and we're all in this shit show together.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
Some people are more responsible for it than others. Look at how you're different. Look at how you saved your own fucking life in the midst of growing up in a certain way. Kind of fortify yourself with that and then try to see the good things. Because if you're showing up for dinner... You don't have to do that, but you're doing it. Why?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
There's got to be something in that bag that defines who you are and who you are emotionally. And those might come from the good parts of whatever shit show you might have found yourself growing up in. So again, you know, try to hold on to yourself and don't get triggered by
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
by someone fucking with you in your fucking family event if it's just about politics because it's probably about something else and if you can let it go by you and just have a little fucking empathy because you know these people save yourself the aggravation impossible Fucking spiral. You know what to do. Alright? Open your heart. Come on! I can only do it for a few minutes at a time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1595 - Steve Furey
But maybe you have better success rate with it. So look, Steve Fury is here. He'll be at the Punchline in San Francisco next month. To see everything he's doing, check out stevefury.com or his social media pages. Very funny guy. Love talking to him. So this is... Now you can hear me talking to him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But but but when I started doing comedy professionally or starting out in Los Angeles out here at the comedy store, I did not I I knew that it was an option. Ich habe es in mir. Ich habe es in einem Spiel in der Schule gemacht. Es war Teil von mir. Es könnte sogar Teil meiner aschkenazischen genetischen Make-up sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But I made a conscious choice to not do it because I didn't want to speak that language. I didn't want to do this stereotype. I didn't want to lean on stereotypes about Jews. I didn't want to characterize myself like that. Even when I talk about it now, maybe not to Jewish people, but to some people it's probably a surprise that I'm Jewish. If I say I'm a Jew, sometimes I'll say, well, I'm a Jew.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But nonetheless... Es war nicht Teil des Stereotyps, weil ich ein bisschen mit Modi über Jackie Mason gesprochen habe, ich habe ihn als Person nicht gefreut, ich habe ihn einmal getroffen, er war mir nass, ich habe ihn nicht wirklich gefreut, seine Komödie war nicht mein Ding, weil ich dachte, er machte einen Stereotyp.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And I didn't want to stereotype Jews and I didn't want to play that stereotype. So there was sort of a conscious decision on my part when I started doing comedy to not lean into the Jewish thing just because I thought it would box me in. And I still don't, I talk about being Jewish, but I don't do the Jewish thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Though I love it, and though I could, and sometimes there are moments where it happens, and I'm happy it comes out, but it was not, it was a conscious choice. I mean, I had the option, I have the birthright to it, but I did not take it. And I didn't grow up in New Jersey or New York, so it wouldn't have been honest.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
So, Modi is very interesting because he's Israeli born and he grew up in Long Island. So he has kind of this dual dynamic of Israeli and American Jewishness. And this was kind of a great conversation. You can go to modilive.com to find out where he'll be. Plus you can check out his podcast and here's Modi as well as watch his YouTube special Know Your Audience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Nun, ich habe das vorher schon gesprochen, und ich werde Charlie auf dem Prozac für Katzen anfangen, aber ich habe es noch nicht getan. Und ich habe es vorher schon gesagt, dass ich Resistenz habe, weil ich meinen eigenen Selbstsinn auf den Katzen stecke. Und ich denke, ich will Charlie nicht in einer wenigereren Version von Charlie sein. I don't want Charlie to have his edges tapered.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
He became very big during COVID and it's an interesting story and this is me talking to Modi.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
There's nobody here. Nobody here. It's amazing. I know. I just sit me and I see the levels and I figured it out. I got a new mixer here I just got. I don't know how to record anything else, but I can do this. It's pretty good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like right after the film and here's Modi. I've been in that situation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
It's like you were dead. But that's sort of a profound idea. Because you don't know. You would have heard if I was dead. But in terms of in your life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Well, I don't go in there anymore, really.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Es ist so verrückt, weil ich glaube, dass ich dich gesehen habe. Ich war da, als du angefangen hast. Ich musste da sein, als du angefangen hast. Ja. Weil ich mich erinnere, dass es plötzlich einen frenetischen, lauten jüdischen Mann gab. Ja. Ja. Ja. Right? Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I don't want Charlie to not be full throttle Charlie. But now that I'm trying some medication, I think that perhaps together, you know, we can we can go on this journey together. But I will start that on Monday where I can make sure I get it done every day and and manage it. As for me and my medication journey that started, what has it been about a week ago? I'd like to think it's working.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
95, you know it's weird. Maybe the comic strip a bit, right? Yeah. Aber ich glaube nicht, dass sie mich bei der Sellerin verabschiedet hat, bis ich die HBO-Halbzeit 1995 gemacht habe. Ich war da, ich war sicherlich in New York und habe Alternativen gemacht und ich hatte eine Präsenz dort. Aber ja, es war nicht ein großer Schuss, das ist für sicher. Aber ja, vielleicht zuerst bei der Comic-Strip.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Jemand könnte in der Comic-Strip kommen. Well, I was in investment banking. I was in investment banking.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
So your parents are Israeli? So am I. I was born in Israel. Right. But you were seven when you got here, but your parents left Israel. That seems like the wrong direction, generally. No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Also, ich schätze, der Grateneck wurde voll mit persischen Juden, oder? Persischen Juden, genau. Ja, das ist eine ganze Welt, über die ich nichts weiß, aber sie sind die neuen Japs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Als ich erwachsen war, waren meine Mothers Cousins, die Hewlett. Sie waren die Japs, aber jetzt sind sie alle alt. Aber die persischen Juden scheinen die Erfindung des jüdisch-amerikanischen Prinzen und Prinzesses zu sein. Sie sind wirklich hier und in Great Neck. Ja, sie sind es. And were they always a presence? Because I don't remember Persian Jews when I was growing up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Ich mache manchmal ein bisschen darüber, dass ich jüdisch bin, dass ich kulturell jüdisch bin. Ich bin ein Jew. Und die Leute fragen, ob ich religiös bin. Ich sage, nein, ich bin ein Jew. There's 15 million Jews in the world. There's 15 million ways to be Jewish. Right. And then they go, do you believe in God? And I'm like, well, we don't really have to. We were chosen by God.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I don't know. Do you feel a little queasy? Maybe a little dizzy? Maybe it's taking the edge off some of my catastrophic thinking and compulsive panic. Don't know. Don't know. I don't know. And then I watched this documentary about Andy Kaufman. I'm thinking like, dude, just do the TM. Just, you know, Lynn did it. Just do the TM and nail this thing. I went through that today.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
So I don't have to, you know, I don't think that, are you religious? No. But I can't remember the tag, but it's that, you know, we were chosen by God. We don't have to be religious. And I think that's really what upsets you people. We were chosen. Right. But... But I think about it, about the Jews' relationship with God and what that means and the complexities of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Because when you brought up Jewish, conservative American Jew, no ability to really translate or read Hebrew or to understand it as it's being spoken. And I don't really remembering, like I always think like, you know, you have to be taught how to use God. Yes. And I don't remember that ever happening.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
You know, it was, you know, there's a lot of talk about God, but like, how do you have God in your life? Well.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Yeah. And also, it just seems like, from what I gleaned over time, that the engagement with Jews, biblically in the Talmud and everything else, is an active relationship. In terms of God and interpreting God. dass es eine Konversation gibt, die weiter und weiter geht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Glaubst du, das ist die Begegnung? Ja. Das ist, wie du es siehst. Aber glaubst du, das ist, wie es von anderen gesehen wird? Nein. Was das Problem ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Ja. Also als du erwachsen bist, hast du das Gefühl, wann hat diese Einheit dich getroffen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Also recent? Covid hat es alles zusammengebracht. Also wenn du in Yeshiva gehst, magst du die Songs, die Musik, du magst, dass alle im Raum sind, sie singen. Und sie sind alle Männer. Alle Männer sind oben. Wann hast du gemerkt, dass du gay bist? War das etwas, was du als Kind in Yeshiva erforscht hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Like, I'm going to get off this medicine. This is stupid. Why am I altering my God-given, natural-given, evolved, whatever, genetically-given, however you want to look at it. Why don't I just live with that and learn how to transcend to TM it? To TM it, damn it. And then I realized, like, I don't know. Let's just see how this goes. Let's just do this. Let's just do this medicine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Es ist interessant, weil als ich geboren wurde, meine Großeltern sprachen Yiddisch, wenn sie nicht wollten, dass sie wissen, was sie sagen. Es war in ihnen, aber es war nicht die Sprache des Hauses oder so. Aber ich denke, dass für die meisten meiner Kindheit, die Comics, die ich mitgeguckt habe, ich denke wirklich, dass die Drehstelle der Komödie ein Yiddisch-Rhythmus war. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And it doesn't exist much anymore. You haven't seen my act. No, I know you're there. But it was interesting because like Kathy Ladman reached out to me. And, you know, she's, you know, in my age, in her 60s. And, you know, she's doing comedy still. And I watch your stuff again. And it's that rhythm. It's that New York Jewish rhythm with good jokes. Yes. And I'm like, I don't hear it anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Es gibt Leute wie Rickles, Dangerfield. Jackie Mason. Ja, den ich nie genossen habe. Zu jüdisch. Zu jüdisch. Es war zu jüdisch. Es ist lustig, es ist Teil seines Aktes. Er hat mich verärgert, weil als ich Comedy angefangen habe, war es nicht so, dass ich nicht jüdisch sein wollte. But I didn't want to talk about it in a way that was stereotypical.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Like, you know, with Jackie Mason, everything's like, you know, Jews just want to sit down, they want to do this, we want to eat something. You know, everything is with the Jew does this, the Jew does that. I'm like, we can't all be that. You know, that's been done and it doesn't apply to me. So I can't talk about it until I know how to talk about it. You know, for myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And I figured out a way, but it wasn't... durch eine jüdische Identität, es war durch, weißt du, dass ich jüdisch bin. Ich bin jüdisch und das ist so, wie ich es sehe. Nicht so wie wir alle Jüdinnen tun das, alle Jüdinnen tun das.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I mean, you know, we don't need to go into this too much because it doesn't need to, you know, I had a discussion with Mo Amr, you know, recently, you know, in his experience in America, but also as a familial experience, you know, having family in Palestine. Now, the Jewish identity currently, now, how do you handle...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I hope it doesn't make me queasy the whole time. Hey, look, you guys, look. Today, I'm talking to a guy. Named Modi Rosenfeld. Goes by the name Modi. Now I've known Modi, I don't know, I feel like maybe 30 years. 30 years. I knew him, like I've known him since he started doing comedy in New York at the Cellar. I believe I did. I did know him then.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Und ich warte eine lange Zeit. Weil... You know, when you're a Jew of any kind, and we talked about the spectrum of Jewishness, that you're expected to have comment. You know, where do you stand? And there's no gray area, you know, for most Jews.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
You know, either you make a position that you think what is going on there is wrong, but you understand the State of Israel, or you take a position that it doesn't matter what the State of Israel does and it has to survive, right? So those are your options, right? You know, and it took me a long time to figure out an angle that was resonant. You know, because I think that as middle class Jews, me,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
having the discussion we had about God, is like, I don't remember being taught about God in a specific way that would make me understand God, but you were certainly taught that Israel was more important than anything. Right. You know what I mean? That there has to be this place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Sure. Trees, you buy trees. Right, right, right. But it is a complicated issue, just, you know, to... You either have your thoughts about what's going on to yourself, but if you're a public person and you speak, then you're going to be used by either side. One way or the other. And it's tricky.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
He was always very intense, a bit loud, a lot of energy, very Jewish. Israeli Jew, Jewish, but also very American Jew, Jewish. And to be honest with you, according to him, and maybe he's right, we haven't spoken in 20 years. And he was making the rounds and we were asked if we wanted to have money. I'm like, of course. Of course we'll have Modi on. What's that guy been doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Yeah, because it becomes impossible, you know, even from the beginning, you know, and I tried to explore this on stage and even for myself, you know, I think the fear of even, you know, middle class American Jews to speak out, you know, in the name of saving lives, you know, Palestinian lives against genocide, I think their deeper fear, you know, morally is that like, well, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to, you know, I want to make sure I get in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
If I have to go... Nein, zu Israel. Ich will nicht auf der Liste der verdammten Juden sein. Ich will nicht auf der Liste der verdammten Juden sein. It's tricky. And I don't think people understand that. It's so... It's not tricky for Zionists. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Das hat sich über hunderten von Jahren gedauert. Über dieses Stück Gebäude. Ich sitze auf dem Tisch im Hintergrund. Im Keller. Mit Manny. Oh mein Gott, ja. Du kannst herausfinden, wo er wäre. Aber für dich... In Amerika. War es ein Punkt, an dem du dachtest, du wärst ein Rabbi?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But it also made me think, this conversation, about my own Jewishness. Jew-ness, Jewishness. Yes, that's where I come from. I've tried on a lot of different hats, a lot of yarmulkes, a lot of larger hats. Not really a hat guy, turns out, Jew or otherwise.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Du kannst deinen Atem nicht fangen, es ist so gut. Aber es ist lustig, weil der israelische Akzent, die Verbesserung mit dem jiddischen, welches der israelische Akzent in einer Art und Weise informiert, in Hebräisch, das ist die organische Basis dieses Rhythms. Du nimmst es direkt mit. Du musst es nicht herstellen. Für jemanden wie mich, wenn ich sage, ich weiß es, aber es lebt nicht in mir.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Tomorrow I'm in Skokie, Illinois at the North Shore Center for the Performing Arts and Saturday, speaking of Jews, then Saturday I'll be in Joliet, Illinois at the Rialto Square Theater, Grand Rapids, Michigan. I'm coming to GLC Live at 20 Monroe on Friday, April 11th and then Traverse City, Michigan at the City Opera House on Saturday, April 12th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Aber ich denke, weil es israelisch ist, lebt es in dir.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But I caught the last, the tail end of those years. But that was when it was primarily, it wasn't middle class Jews, it was Orthodox Jews.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Von dem Zeitpunkt? Von dem Zeitpunkt. Von diesem Typ? Von diesem Typ. Weil ich aus allen von ihnen nie Alan King liebte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Aber du hast so viel mehr Intensität. Du bist schneller. Ja. Er war langweilig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Das ist interessant, weil ich ihn gesehen habe, ich dachte, er wäre pompös. Und ich habe das auch über Jackie Mason gefühlt. dass es diese Eroganz gab. Und ich denke, Alan King, wenn ich es historisch korrekt habe, er war der Typ, der middle-class-Jews gemacht hat, ihnen eine Stimme gegeben hat. Er war der Typ, der... Wir machen gut. Wir machen gut. Wir sind auf der Insel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Und das war anders als die Stettel-Jews oder die Lower East Side-Jews. Er war die Generation, die nicht mehr in der Lower East Side war. Korrekt. Und dann wurde es ein mittleres Gespräch. Ich habe ein paar alte Pat-Cooper-Rekorde gelesen. Und er war das gleiche für die Italiener. Wir sind nicht mehr auf der oberen Seite. Jetzt haben wir ein großes Haus und die Familie kommt vorbei.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Und es ist anders. Unsere Probleme sind anders.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Also neue Daten bei Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles. Montag, April 14th, Sonntag, April 26th und Dienstag, April 29th. Alle sind um 7.30 Uhr. Dann komme ich nach Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire, Brooklyn, New York. Vielen Dank. So, I was at Largo last night. trying to get this hour down to size. I'm out there doing an hour 30, hour 40. Now I gotta trim the fat, but none of it's really fat.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Er ist ein Geschichtener, aber die Geschichten der jüdischen Mittelklasse. Ja, aber die anderen Menschen können sich daran erinnern. Ja, aber Myron Cullen erzählte immer noch chassidische Geschichten. Es gab noch Geschichten, die eine biblische Resonanz hatten. Eine Geschichte über einen Rabbi oder das oder das. Es war noch anders.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Ich habe Alan King in Vegas gesehen, als ich in der Hochschule war, als ich mit meinen Großeltern da war. Es hat mich erkannt, es war vorher, als ich Comedy machte, aber ich sah einen Mann, Es fühlte sich mehr wie ein Ballraum an als ein Showraum an. Aber ich sah einen Mann da raus und es sah so aus, als ob er es tun musste. Er hatte eine bestimmte Zeit, 45 Minuten, es war in und aus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Und es sah nicht so aus, als ob er wirklich was gegeben hat. Es sah so aus, als ob er gesagt hätte, ich muss das machen. Und es war überraschend. Und er war ein ziemlich guter Schauspieler. Ich weiß nicht, warum er nicht mit mir klickte. Für mich war es wie Rickles, Buddy Hackett. Buddy Hackett habe ich als Kind lieb.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Ich erinnere mich, er hat Conan gemacht, als ich da war. Stu, nicht Stu, Frank. Frank Smiley, der Segment-Produzent da drüben. Ich bin nach Allen's Dressing Room gegangen. Ich weiß nicht, ob er da war, aber sie hatten eine Bottle Tank, die er benötigte, um sie zu tanken, um da rauszukommen. Das ist was. Du hast das nie gemacht. Ich nie. Ich nie.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Ich meine, es gab Leute wie Alan Weibel und Richard Lewis, die für diese Leute geschrieben haben. So fingen sie an, in den 70ern. Sie sahen diese Jokes. Sie nehmen sie. Sie nehmen sie, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Ja, ich war ein over the top Charakter. Ja, ja, ja. Und dann war einer der Charaktere nahe zu dir. Und er hat dich mit dem gemacht? Ich denke so. Ist das, wie es funktioniert? Ist das, wie Comedy funktioniert? Ja. Du gehst in diese Charaktere und was auch immer du machst, um sie aufzusetzen, dann wird das du. Ja, ich glaube so. Ich glaube, das ist ein guter Weg, es zu sehen. Ja. Wow.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Aber wann beginnst du, weil ich meine, ich erinnere mich an dich, du warst da und Leute, du weißt, Ich war am Arbeiten. Damals konntest du deine Audienz nicht sammeln, es gab keine Follower.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Also, bevor hattest du einfach nur die Zeit, dich zu verabschieden? Ich weiß nicht, es sah nicht so aus, als wäre es der logische Weg. Ja. Wo du einen Letterman machst, einen Fallon oder so. Das war nicht in deinen Karten. Nein. Warum ist das so?
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Er war ein Komedian, aber es ist einfach so, dass sie, aber dann sind sie, sie sind aufgrund der Interessen des Shows. So they get to make the decision like, we don't fit in with this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
This is the challenging part about moving towards a special, because they want an hour. And I don't really understand that. I guess the idea is that they've decided that human beings in the current culture we live in are incapable of watching anything for more than an hour. At best. Which I think is crazy, but maybe, what do I know?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Well, explain this Covid epiphany, this catharsis.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Das ist verrückt. Also jetzt, wenn du das machst, sind es immer noch primär Juden?
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I mean, I can watch something for more than an hour, especially if it's compelling. And that's assuming that what I'm doing is funny and compelling. But it all works together for me for an hour and a half. And I know it's a long show, but last night I got on stage. Mulaney came by. Mulaney opened for me. That's always interesting when the guy...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But it's funny, because you are the Jew. Yes, I am. And it's unique. Yeah. Right? I mean, do you have peers, like Israeli comedians, or do you know people that represent like you do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Also, wenn du in England... Du hast den ganzen Spektrum. Du hast Orthodox da. Alles. 18 bis 88.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Der Typ, der eine der größten Star in der Komödie ist, bringt dich auf. Nur ich und er. Er wollte etwas für heute oder letzte Nachts Talkshow machen. Es ist immer gut, Malaney zu sehen. Es war lustig. Guter Chat. Aber dann bin ich da hochgekommen und habe eine Ausstellung gemacht von dem, was ich glaube, die Stunde aus meiner Stunde und einer halben. And I went at such a breakneck speed, I sweat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
You have to understand, your connection to your audience is... I do, I do. I've grown more gracious. I've always been pretty gracious, because they do have a relationship with you. And you have to honor that. When you do a podcast, they know things about your life. They ask you questions about the thing that you talked about. You don't know them, but it makes me happy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
There's a familiarity to it all. They're familiar with me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How's everybody going? How's everybody going? How's everybody doing? How you going? That's what my Australian manager says. How you going? I don't know what that is. How are you going? I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But it also could be the guy who you go like, tell me, is this funny? I'm not going to, you tell me if it's funny. Like the second guy could be the guy that gives him the punchlines. Es ist, es ist.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I broke a sweat about 40 minutes into this. And I've got a couple of pieces. This opening bit, well, it's probably the second bit, is just a story. And I was going at such a pace. The laughs were great. It was pounding away. And I thought, you know, I had done probably what would have in a theater show happened. been probably about an hour 15, you know, hour 20. And I got it done in under an hour.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Ich bin froh, dass wir uns heute als zweite Person befinden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
There you go. Again, very Jewish, very Jewy, I know. Again, you can get his tour dates, listen to his podcast and check out his special at modilive.com, M-O-D-I. Hang out for a minute, folks.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Wild Outfits. Ja, was war ihr Name? Oh Gott, warum vergesse ich ihren Namen? Die Bängs, die berühmten Bängs. Derjenige, der diese Haarkette entwickelt hat. Sie war eine Schauspielerin. Cleopatra? Nein, es war, oh Mann. Liz Taylor?
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Was it maybe Lulu Brooks? No, there was another one, a vixen. A vixen? Lulu Brooks was a silent actress and she did the Bob Bang thing. Oh yeah, yeah, sure, sure. How am I going to Google this?
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But there was another one. The most iconic bangs in history. Maybe that'll do it. What about famous vixens of yesteryear? Famous vixens of yesteryear. These are all too new.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And because it was so intense, I started to think, well, maybe I should be working at this pace. It probably had something to do with the fact that I just watched Mulaney and he works at a pretty good clip. And he brought me up and I think he left some of his zone up there. And I think I stepped into it and I pounded away.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Boomer Thiefs, Monkey in the Fonda, Cat Angels everywhere.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And but it was pretty satisfying, but I don't really want to break a sweat on my special. I do feel like I have my own pace, but I hadn't driven that hard in a long time and it was pretty good. It felt like I was, you know, I was putting on a fucking rock show. Well, we'll see. We'll see. I don't know. We recorded it. They wanted to have a look at it. So we did that.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Yeah, so I think the hour is in pretty good shape. I'm not second guessing any of the material in terms of Whether it's funny or not. I think when it comes down to me planning these hours, there are certain bits where I'm like, is that necessary? Is it necessary? I want all the bits to be my sort of signature bits.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I don't really want to talk about too many topics that other people are talking about, but that seems impossible. But there are just some bits that push a certain envelope where I'm like, do I have to do that to them? And then I just watched this documentary on Andy Kaufman and obviously I'm nothing like him and I would never compare myself to him.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But there is a point where that question, if you ask that question of yourself, do I have to do that to them? Wenn du Andy Kaufmann bist oder was auch immer er gesagt hat in dieser Welt, was ein großer war, dann ist es ja, ja, du musst es absolut machen. Es gibt keine Frage, dass das gemacht werden muss. Also habe ich heute mit diesem Mann, Modi, gesprochen. And as I said earlier, we do go back.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
We were never pals or anything, but I've certainly known him for a very long time. And I really haven't seen him in 20 years. And we had a very, it's kind of a unique and great discussion. And it's pretty dewy.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And, you know, he kind of brought me back to something that, you know, we land on similar, not heroes, but in the zone of comedy that, you know, kind of started him going, thinking about comedy. You know, I was in that zone. You know, I mean, my Jewish identity...
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
was it's what it is now is me saying i'm jewish i mean i i guess that some people know that i'm jewish but there was a time when i was a kid i mean all of my comedy heroes most of them from very early on i mean i'm talking when i was 10 or 11 years old yeah there was something about the my grandparents Grandma Goldie and Grandpa Jack. My Grandpa Jack, New Jersey, used to love the Three Stooges.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I didn't love the Three Stooges. My Grandma liked stand-ups. And I just remember there was this period of time... Where I couldn't have been more than 10 years old. And I would look forward to Parade Magazine, which used to come in the Sunday paper. And the last page of Parade Magazine was a thing called My Favorite Jokes.
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I guess I'm going the way most of us go. At some point, heart attack, cancer. But I think that's reading into it. Maybe it's just relative to the day. How's your day going? It's okay. Updates? Well, you know, I got back on Sunday. I don't know if I told you, but my cat Charlie has got this condition that apparently is stress-induced colitis. So I came home to...
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Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And they'd have a picture of a comic and then they'd have a bunch of his jokes there written out. And a lot of them at that time, comedy was kind of a Jewish racket. for a long time, and a lot of that is gone. It's sad to me, but things change. The tone of comedy changes. The culture we live in changes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But there was a period of time in the 70s, and certainly before that, where comedy, both in stand-up clubs and in movies, were Jews. The Jews created the rhythm of that. You know, there was a lot of black comedy around as well. But it was kind of Jews and blacks and a couple of of ethnic comics that were a bit over the top. But the Jews created the rhythm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And that was a rhythm I was brought up with. You know, like it was it just it's a pattern. It's a structure almost of modern joke writing. And when I was young and watching Buddy Hackett, you know, Don Rickles, I enjoyed Woody Allen's movies. There was Jackie Vernon, who I don't think was a Jew.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I liked, I loved watching the old roasts with all the old guys, Jack Benny, Milton Berle to a certain degree. But Buddy Hackett and, you know, and Don Rickles, when I was a kid, it doesn't get much funnier than that, Rodney Dangerfield, Jewish guys. And well, now I think about it, there was quite a few who weren't Jewish. You know, they were Italian, you know, Dean Martin, not a comic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But nonetheless, that generation of comedy performer Richard Lewis was important. But there was when I was younger, you know, like 13, 14, 15, aside from, you know, smoking cigarettes and wanting to be Keith Richards. There was this thread that kind of ran through me comedically that I think was fundamentally Jewish. Jewish, that I could lock into... I worked at a deli when I was in college.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Gordon's Deli and Pottingham Circle in Boston. These were Boston Jews. And there was something so familiar about it. Even my grandma Goldie's house. My grandpa Jack used to have a poker game once a week. You had Joe Suskin there. You had Gerson Eisenberg. You had Shani, Shan Holtz. You know, these guys.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And it was a thing, it was a type, the sort of middle class American Jewish thing was a thing and it was encultured into me. And my parents moved to New Mexico. And there was some of those, you know, transplants from the East Coast. But a certain amount of that Jewishness kind of got, you know, washed out of me, not out of any desire to pass. It just wasn't culturally where I was living.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I mean, we were Jews, we were among Jews, but most of them were not New York Jews. And then I went on a teen tour and that was all New York Jews. It was always cousins who lived in Long Island. But that Jewish thing, was always there. And when I was in college, we did a show, a play, it was Woody Allen's Don't Drink the Water, and I played the main guy, I'm forgetting his name now, the old man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
And I locked in to this Jewish old man like he had been living in me. Because it was how I was wired comedically from watching all these old guys that I just became this guy. What are you kidding me? Look at this guy. What? So easy. Deli talk. Post synagogue talk. Poker table talk. Sales talk. There he is. Whatever. It was in me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
I know I can't quite explain it because I didn't really grow up with it. But I grew up admiring it and wanting to be it. I wanted to be an old Jewish. Like if my parents didn't move to New Mexico and, you know, have whatever that half cowboy experience was growing up and going to high school there. If they would have stayed in New Jersey, I would have been Jeff Ross. Well, I doubt it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But I would have been in culture differently, being surrounded by Jews my whole life. I would have certainly been locked into it in a different way, in a sort of unavoidable way, an unerasable way. But when I went to college, you know, I got more into art and more into poetry and more into beatniks. And, you know, and Allen Ginsberg turns out was my least favorite beatnik.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Yeah, a lot of diarrhea, mystery places, just all over. He did a pretty good job on the whole house. If I asked someone to, hey, could you shit small puddles of diarrhea, like random places, but throughout the house, like throughout the house, to where I'm surprised by it days later, I'd appreciate that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
But, you know, he was the Jew. But but nonetheless, something else started to happen. I no longer aspired to be like, what are you? So it kind of shifted. But there was no attempt to not do it. It just wasn't really who I was. It was just sort of a personality I was trying on. But I remember when I started comedy, I was very aware of the comics that I idolized and the comics that made me laugh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1629 - Modi Rosenfeld
Und die Jüdischkeit davon. Ich denke, wenn ich eine Art Verbrechenabend in der Schule gemacht hätte, hätte ich einen Woody Allen-Geruch aus einer Stand-Up-Routine gemacht. I mean, I wasn't a professional. I didn't see it as stealing. It was me trying to see if I could get a laugh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Es ist schrecklich. Aber ich kann jetzt da sein. Ich würde da mit der falschen Attitüde sein und den Publikum schmerzen. Und es gab manchmal ein ernsthaftes Tanken. Und dann muss ich in die vordere Bar gehen und sagen, ich muss hier raus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Du hast es einfach nicht geholfen? No, I spent my life in comedy. Right. You know, like I miss that. I mean, what music scene? So what is happening in 95? I mean, that weird, that amazing, you know, meet me in the bathroom thing. That was the early aughts.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right? The Strokes, Interpol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The National. Yeah, they were around, I guess, but I didn't know them. It just wasn't my thing.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Er könnte es sein. Ich erinnere mich nicht darauf. Sie waren nicht mit uns auf den Shows. Aber vielleicht war er da. Ich war damals wirklich von der Musik aus so entfernt. Ich ging einfach nicht dazu. I don't, I missed all of it. But it wasn't like the world's crossed over. It wasn't like, you know. Well, I think probably with some of the performers it did, but not me.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You know, like, I think that, like, I was always sort of an outsider. But I think around the, you know, like Cross was out in L.A. He really wasn't. around New York yet. But like, I imagine with some of the state guys and with some of the, with Garofalo, I'm sure there was crossover in terms of hanging out and stuff. But I didn't hang out with people. Right. So I didn't see it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But you know, at some point, you know, there was a lot going on. You had pianos down there, right? With Todd. Todd and David Cross came to New York. Yeah, Tinkle, yeah. Tinkle at Pianos. And that was a venue that had comedy, alt comedy. There was a lot of those kind of shows coming up. I do know it waned. I remember it kind of waned. You know? And it became less vital.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Like, at the beginning it was very vital to me.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, but you know, the heat came off it. I mean, dude, it was crazy down there. You know, like when something pops in New York, it's like this lines around the block. And then, like, I remember at some point it's like, nobody's... Ja, genau.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich war so auf dem Spiegel. In den 90ern hatte ich noch nicht aufgewachsen. Ich war in einer Beziehung, mit der ich unglücklich war. Ich lebte in Queens. Sie wollte Kinder haben und ich wollte nur sterben. And I was doing segments on a local TV network. You remember that? The desk segments for Metro TV. And in my mind, I was like, well, maybe this will work out for me. I'll just find a local gig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
This is a compilation of a series that we actually did for the full Marin called WTF Origins. And this is me and Brendan, my producer and business partner for many years now. Many years. I don't even, like you cross some line with the years where you're like, holy shit, it's been that long. While you're in it, you don't feel it.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Because everything had crapped out. Deals crapped out. I did not build relationships on the road like you were supposed to. I wasn't doing the type of comedy that anybody wanted. I could work in San Francisco, I could work in Boston. There were places I would go and headline, but I wasn't a known quantity. So then the marriage breaks up in 99.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So I put all my fucking eggs into the sober basket and I'm just like working that and doing comedy, doing meetings, hanging out with Mishnah, getting a divorce, locked out of my apartment, locks changed, subletting way down on Delancey Street Und ich weiß nicht, Mann, sobald das alles passierte, konnte ich zurück in die Apartment in Queens, die ich gehalten habe. And then I split.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I felt like I just wasn't... If it wasn't because... I was sort of some mythic guy at the comedy store. I don't know how it would have went for me, really, in L.A. I didn't like doing all the alt shows. I don't know, dude. But what happened was, ultimately, by the time the Air America opportunity came, was presented to me, and I was sitting around, and I didn't have a pot to piss in, really.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And I couldn't turn it down. Like, there was no way I could... You know, I had the apartment still in New York. Und ich war politisch genug. Also war es wirklich, ich konnte einen Weg umgehen.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Oh my God. Even just talking about... Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Must have been 99 or 2000, where I'm like, you know, I'm just like in a room sweating and a year sober with Misha and I'm like, are we doing this, man? Because I'm going to leave my wife. Sie sagt, ich glaube so. Ich bin so gut genug.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Nee, wir sind da kein... Nee, du paddeln wieder drin rum, oder was?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But we talked about the things that were important in the creation of WTF, as well as the early days of the podcast. I want to believe on some level, not just for my ego, that we are historical figures and that WTF is a historic podcast, which it is. And on some days I wonder... Did I unleash this fucking thing on the world? Would it have happened without me? Certainly it would have.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich glaube so. Ich bin da. Oh mein Gott. Nur die ganze Sache blieb auf. Und dann, du weißt, sie blieb meine wieder auf. Ja, aber diese Trauma-Punkte von Chaos, Verhältnismäßigkeit, Chaos und ja, Sobriety, all that stuff. Yeah, it does haze things a bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, well, I'm doing it now. I mean, I did it today. You told me this morning, you know, to get in the zone. And KTLK. I remember KTLK. I remember you moving out here, you know, and you just had a baby and you were living in those.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Oh, that was it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And you just bolt and you're living in these furnished apartments.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Sure, right. Yeah, it's like those other ones. I think they're called the Oakwoods that some people lived in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I just remember that, you know, coming out of the morning show, coming out of morning sedition, this weird panic on the executive level when the shake-up at Air America happened and we had some clandestine group of consultants and marginal characters from the brass who wanted to keep us in the fold as the new CEO failed. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And the idea was that, you know, Scott Elberg, I don't even remember his position, president.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And then Scott Krantz.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Gary Krantz. I know his brother. They had some sort of, you know, finagled something out here in LA because we got fired off the morning show and we wanted to keep in the game. And they finagled something with KTLK. Stephanie Miller had the morning show there. So that was part of the condition of us getting anything. was that I had to make nice with Stephanie Miller.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But the one thing we did have by that point were chops.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Basically, I remember, and I don't know where it came within the arc of things, but I remember, you know, I packed up, I went back to Los Angeles and Elberg came out there and took me to Dantanas and said, look, this is just a placeholder. We're going to get you back on the air in the mornings, but this will keep you in the mix to do this morning show, or whatever that show was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I don't even know what you call that show we did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right. So, you know, that was encouraging. But by this point, though, like, I don't know how you felt, but I'm like, there was enough fuck you and me to be like, I can just go back to my life here, whatever the fuck this is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, there's a lot of fucking around going on. Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, just sort of like, but it wasn't a guarantee. That's right. I do remember that. And I do remember saying, it didn't sound like a sure deal though.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And as things move on and move past, you know, you do reflect. And I guess sometimes when we do shows like this, it's good for me to listen to it, to... Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Weil ich nicht verstanden habe, was diese verschiedenen Gruppen waren. Ja, es gab Probleme am Kastel oder so. Was machten Elberg und Kranz? Was machten all diese Schuhe?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I'm not like, I wasn't that kind of radio guy. I didn't care enough about... working in radio to be set up with some producer I didn't trust or some lackey or some tired old timer.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And it was a two-hour show, right?
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
The best part of that show Was using all the improv guys out here.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Hallo ihr Mäuse, wir sind Janni und Alina vom Podcast Wine Wednesday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And we've done a lot of these fucking things and I've talked to a lot of people and a lot of those talks were kind of amazing and enlightening and touching and informative and, you know, creatively speaking, you know, were my lifeline to humanity in a lot of ways. Und in diesem Video sprechen wir ein bisschen über die Luna-Lounge-Tage, wo die Art von Alt-Comedy-Ding in New York City stattfand.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und wir haben Wyatt benutzt. Wyatt war der große.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Das stimmt. Svetlana, der Filmreviewer.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
That's right, to talk about writing?
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Straight up monologue jokes, yeah. Doing them on the radio. But it was fun.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But it just became, I don't know how quickly... It became just a fucking nightmare.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Schitting on Stephanie as her lead-in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
We were live. We were live 3 to 6 in the morning, but then they run us again. And they did that at the beginning. But then they dropped Stephanie in as the live thing, and they defended that. Weil warum willst du nicht Live-Radio im Markt haben, in dem die Radio-Station ist?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich meine, ich habe es bekommen, aber es hat mich einfach geirrt, weil dann gab es wirklich keine Präsenz in L.A., ohne dass du um drei Uhr morgens warst. Und es hat mich einfach überrascht. Also, wissend, dass Stephanie in der Studio war, um ihr Show zu starten, würde ich manchmal meinen Show in einem schnittigen Weg beenden, um sie in L.A. zu setzen. Und es muss sie einfach nicht beenden lassen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But we represented that. It was sort of a guarantee. We're a shoe-in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Wir sprechen über die Marc Maron-Show, die Brendan mit mir hier in Los Angeles produziert hat, nachdem wir aus Air America gedreht wurden. Und dann sprechen wir ein bisschen über Break Room Live, was wir gemacht haben, als sie mich zurückgezogen haben.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ja, das endet jetzt. Ja, Waffen auf dem Tisch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, I don't remember what our feeling was. How did it end up? Because like years later I did Stephanie's podcast and she seemed like she didn't even remember it.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I was also mad, though. I mean, the reality of it is, whether I thought that or not, it was really about how we had no viable presence in Los Angeles. Right, right, exactly. And it wasn't even her fault. But, you know, look, man, my mouth gets me in trouble.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
The station, before it was a progressive station, had a contract with the Clippers to run live game coverage. And those games, I guess they probably started at 8 or something. And all we could do was hope that they'd be over. Because we had a 10 o'clock start time, live. And then during fucking basketball season, It would go to 10.20, 10.30, 10.45. And we were just sitting there. Yeah.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And then we kind of finish with a discussion about, you know, WTF and how that came out of all those things, but also out of my experience and Brendan's experience and how we kind of work together on this thing. But it is nice to look back just to make sure, because my brain is addled and fucked up from the pace of technology and from engaging with it and from age and from...
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Waiting to launch our, waiting to do our show.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
That was good.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Oh yeah, and you were furious. Sitting up there, waiting. It was a real lesson. God knows I'd done comedy long enough, but just to not have any way to... protect your job or to have a say in your future in a way and just have to play by these rules.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ja, ja, ja, genau.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And you wanted to build it so it would stay. Yeah.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich kann nicht glauben, dass wir jemandem etwas verdient haben.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You know, just time kind of flying by. But this is a nice thing. And I hope if you haven't heard this stuff, that you find it interesting. Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Nicht mal legendär. Nicht mal von jemandem gefreut.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It happened in a vacuum and no one was the wiser. Right.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Non-appreciated. Yeah. That was the beginning of the fucking end in terms of my hope for having a career in show business, really. Because then, you know, my wife leaves me not long after that and I'm thrown into the sort of chaos of, you know, a divorce and, you know, just spending hours and days, you know, photocopying bank receipts and like, you know, disclosure stuff, just being beaten down.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Es war alles in Ordnung. So yeah, it was just a spiraling shit show where I was going broke. No one could really lend me money. My dad wouldn't lend me money. I think my mom gave me a little money to keep me afloat. But I was spiraling the fucking drain, dude.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Nein, ich wusste nur, dass ich alles tun konnte. Ich tat, was ich immer getan habe. Ich meine, das war nicht ein Zeitpunkt, an dem ich Tickets verkaufen konnte. Also whatever Clubwork I was taking was just that kind of unknown headliner Clubwork. I was probably doing a few TV appearances here or there, but despite what anybody thinks.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Um ehrlich zu sein.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Also war ich im Journalismus und ich sprach mit Freunden jeden Tag. Ich war sehr depressiv und ich wollte es einfach zusammenhalten.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right, right. Yeah, I kind of remember that. Was I doing it out here? I must remember.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right, other than the stand-up. But I think they must have been trying to keep me in.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ja, das ist die Dynamik. Ja, ich erinnere mich auf das. Und ich erinnere mich, ich erinnere mich nicht, wann wir das hatten. Merrin v. Cedar war eigentlich, ich denke, das blieb über und war der initiale Titel für Break Room Live, glaube ich.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right, he thought we could do the Daily Show over there.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Hallo ihr Mäuse, wir sind Janni und Alina vom Podcast Wine Wednesday.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And across the board, it didn't exist.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right, exactly. Yeah. And despite Karl's, you know, very passionate resistance to having Sam on, you know, he complied and we got the money for Sam too. And that turned out to be kind of a monster that we couldn't really hold back. And it created the tension that kind of was... was what break room was, because Sam had a very specific agenda.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I just needed somebody to talk to, but there was no way I wasn't going to get steamrolled by him.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Oder im Olympiasee? Nee, paddeln wir da drin rum oder was?
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I guess I felt bad about that, but I also didn't have confidence enough in myself because we had no writing staff. There was no set. There was no context. Karl had no idea about nothing. By the time you got in, we ended up building segments that would serve both Sam and I. But the bottom line was we were working with very new technology that wasn't Ja, genau.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, I thought it was a brilliant idea. And the funny thing is, is that this show would be just par for the course now. We could do it in the middle of the day and it would do fine. It would get good numbers.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, and like with me and Sam, some of the stuff like that we really worked on kind of worked well when he would sort of like let me play a part in stuff. But, you know, like we get in the weeds so much and I just could never understand, like, you know, why are we talking about this for the third day in a row, this fucking bullshit thing?
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Das Geile ist, wir dürfen auf der Bühne an euch Zuschauer und Zuschauerinnen einen 800-Euro-Voucher für Backmarket verlosen. Es lohnt sich also nicht nur wegen unseren schönen Gesichtern zu kommen. Tickets gibt es unter www.kinoamolympiasee.de.
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Ich bin immer noch ziemlich stolz auf den McCain-Kommerz.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ja, und dann, weißt du, das war lustig zu machen, weißt du, aber letztendlich ist es einfach so, dass die Tension zwischen Sam und ich real war und es einfach schlimmer wurde. And we always had a pretty good time in the office before we go on the air, because that's when he would let himself be funny.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But then he just started stuttering some esoteric lefty garbage and would go on for hours, it felt like, constantly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Alles, was wir dachten, war, dass wir kostenlosen Kaffee bekommen. Ich erinnere mich, wir sind in die Stadt gegangen. Wir konnten keine Advertiser bekommen. Warum würden wir? Mike Moon hat just coffee in Madison, Wisconsin, was an Air America fan, I think a Cedar fan, but he liked the whole thing. And he we said we'd let them advertise for free coffee. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And then we post that we like had this bulletin board, the bulletin board. That was a big I thought that was a great idea that every day show, whatever we were going to be talking about, we kind of put on the bulletin board. Ja, das war unser einziger Sponsor. Ja, und es war überall. Ja, und dann haben wir sie zum Podcast gebracht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und sie lieben es nicht, Moon war so, wir lieben nicht die Warnphrase, aber es macht etwas. Podcast. Wow, I just shit my pants. Just coffee.coop. He's like, we're not thrilled about it. We had a coffee mug made of it. We had all kinds of shit going. I don't know, man. It's so weird how much that anxiety that caused me, because I could never be interested enough in politics to make it my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Das Geile ist, wir dürfen auf der Bühne an euch Zuschauer und Zuschauerinnen einen 800-Euro-Voucher für Backmarket verlosen. Es lohnt sich also nicht nur wegen unseren schönen Gesichtern zu kommen. Tickets gibt es unter www.kino-am-olympiasee.de.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, but that was the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
The thing that's gonna work is you. Right. We finally did that with WTM.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
That finally really landed. That I had this weird, you know, kind of like, I had this pressure I put on myself from the inside, from the very beginning of Air America. Like, I didn't... I didn't really realize what my specific talent was. So I just kept trying to keep up with all this stuff. And there were times where I was on it. There were certain narratives that I could wrap my brain around.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Tom DeLay, Karl Rove, Jack Abramoff, you know, the 9-11 stuff. I mean, there were things... Das würde mir eine Art Narrative geben. Aber das Tag-zu-Tag-Stuff führte mich einfach verrückt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But also we got to talk about Ja. Ja. Ja. But I mean, any other media outlet would have been like, pack your bags, get away from the mics.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
We'll see what I can remember and how I remember it. That's always the interesting thing about getting old is how your brain just kind of rewrites things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Send checks to your house, but you're not coming by the building anymore. I just remember sitting in that office and we're, you know, we, you know, I don't remember how soon it was after we got fired, but it was like, what are we going to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right. And we were like, well, I know guys that are doing this thing. It seems doable. And then we worked out a way we, like Apple was excited about anybody with a name. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And just to promote me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Well, I think I was... That part of me has always been the same. And it became clear, I think, to me, that the podcast wasn't going to get me acting roles or anything. So I kind of surrendered to that. But I had to reckon with the idea that they knew me better than me having the mystique of just a guy who does stand-up. Many of them knew my life because of how I do the podcast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So I really had to straddle that. But... But ultimately because of that, it afforded me a comfort level that I don't know if it's the best thing for me in terms of being a comedic act. But it certainly facilitated over time my ability to just sort of expand on myself. und Comedy in einer ziemlich echten Art und Weise für mich zu machen. Ich habe jetzt eine komplette Freiheit der Meinung da oben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yes, but I mean, usually not a full narrative. Right, right. But also some people, you know, you're at the whims of other people's memories of, you know, people have said things to me. Where they said it was me and there's just no way. There's just no way. Right. They just put me in there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und ich habe ziemlich keine Angst. Und ich schreibe immer noch gute Sachen. Aber ich denke, dass die Entwicklung von... Ja. Ja. die das tun, zeigen sich nicht so, wie ich bin. Viele Leute haben eine Persona. Ich glaube, ich habe eine, aber sie ist ziemlich nah dran, wo ich bin. Und dadurch ist es auf einmal spannend, aber auch enttäuschend, weil ich aufstehen muss.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich kann keine Art von Autopilot machen. Und ich glaube, professionelle Unternehmer, die meisten von ihnen, können Autopilot machen. Ich kann die gleichen Lachen immer wieder machen, aber das ist eine komische Sache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
That was the weekend we did the interview with Salstein. Dan Salstein for the New York Times. That's the thing that made us in a lot of ways. Yeah. And it was a big deal for podcasting. It was a big deal for us. It was a huge cover spread in the art section of the Sunday Times with pictures.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It was, you know, looking back on it, one of the biggest things that ever happened to me and to us, I think. But I don't even remember if you were able to be mentioned then.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I got an email yesterday from some guys like, you know, we've been repeating this joke of yours in my family for years. And I'm like, I don't know what that is. I have no idea what you're talking about. It was literally it was a line that was like beans are good. And I'm like, what is that? Beans? Yeah. And I'm like, what is that from? I don't know what that's from. Is there a joke?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ja, und das hat mich immer verärgert. Es hat mich immer verärgert, dass ich diesen mysteriösen Produzenten haben musste, den ich nicht erwähnen konnte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
No, I, I, you know. I'm like, I gotta give Brendan all this credit, which I always do, you know, because we're partners in this, but I just couldn't say it for years. It was like this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
The Wizard of Oz is producing my podcast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I knew, like, it was probably around then where I knew, like, well, okay, I've got an audience. They know me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
He's like, I thought I heard it on Sirius. I'm like, you know, I don't remember some of my jokes, but I remember the impact of that line if it was part of something. It might have been something I just... Rift?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich weiß immer noch, dass ich auf der Bühne sage, dass ich ein artisanales Akt bin. Ich sage, ich bin die Farm, du bist die Tafel. Und in Bezug auf meinen Appell, und ich sage das oft, wenn ich auf der Straße gehe, wie wenn ich in Detroit bin und ich 850 Tickets verkaufe. Ich fülle einfach nur den Platz. Ich bin so, das ist der Boden. Das ist jeder in Michigan, der mich liebt. Sie sind hier.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Das sind alle von Ihnen. Und das ist gut, aber es ist, ja, das ist es. Und das ist okay. Ich habe mit dem okay gespielt. Ich weiß nicht, was ich erwarte oder was ich will. Und ich weiß auch, dass, wenn ich meine Audienz vor einem Show sehe oder ich bin in der Stadt und sie gehen nach mir, ich bin wie, du kommst? Wie diese dezent aussehenden Paare und so. Wie hat das geschehen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Weil, du weißt, von meinen grünen Beginnungen, ich habe mich nie als eine reisende, gewohnte, dezenten Menschen eingelassen. I didn't know who I would attract, but in that thing I always say that I don't have a demographic, I have a disposition, which I think is true. But yeah, I think this has to be funny. But that was also the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I'm in the fucking New York Times building talking to Salstein and he's writing the article that's going to change Our lives forever. And I'm getting texts from a woman I just broke up with who is hiding under the deck in my house. And she's like, you know, when can I go back in the house? I'm like, you can't. She's like, I'm under the deck right now. And I had to call her dad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And the police were there. It was a fucking... I always got a lot of plates in there, Brendan.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I always knew that we worked. And I always think that, you know, certainly with your sort of work ethic and your practicality, that the balance of our personalities works because it's symbiotic. But I rely, you know, I'm going to follow your lead. And I think ultimately from knowing you since, you know, Air America, that, you know, I think I learned how to put that stuff aside, even if it was,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You know, like if it was, you know, on fire in my brain, you know, we always worked and, you know, you don't, you know, I don't get into your personal life too much and you get into mine as much as, you know, I talk about on the podcast. And sometimes if I'm in real trouble, I'll call you. But the idea was because of our work ethic is that this is the job, dude. We can do the job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So I was always aware. Oh, sure. Well, I think that going back to the beginning of what you were saying about, you know, the life or death stakes of getting intros recorded.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Even with the stand-up, the stand-up sort of began to evolve alongside of it in a way where I'm like, well, both of these things are working. I'm doing this show, I'm good at it, I'm respected for it, and the comedy is right there on the same level. Sie sind beide relativ. Und ich denke, sie sind relativ in ihrem Anliegen. Ich habe das, wofür ich gearbeitet habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und wenn du dich frustriert fühlst, wenn du mit mir sprichst oder dich mit anderen vergleichst, die groß sind oder das oder das, ich denke, manchmal frustriert es dich, dass meine Gratitude nicht in der Lage ist. Und ich erkenne nicht immer, dass wir es gemacht haben. weil ich immer noch diese Teil des Gehirns habe, ob es ein Arzt ist oder etwas fehlt, dass ich immer sage, was ist mit diesem Mann?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Warum bin ich nicht da? Und ich weiß, dass es pathologisch ist. Also jetzt, wie der Eindruck ist, um diese Stimme auszulösen, nicht wie Übungen oder etwas anderes. Ich mag nicht Übungen, aber in der Zeit, wenn ich aufwache und es nicht machen will, weißt du, eine andere Teil von mir ist, in den Gym zu gehen. Also ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So it was learning how to override my own insecurity and self-sabotaging ways to sort of do the job. But I think, looking back on it, we were both operating at that same level. It was of utmost importance. Like when I was recording those intros, Back then, when I was like, I think I'm going to rent a conference room in the American Lounge. You weren't saying like, no, dude, don't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Well, it took a while to learn that I was doing it differently. Yeah. Yeah, but then, like, in this part of, like, you know, in sort of dealing with where we're at now, you know, we are, you know, once everybody made the jump to video and once, you know, the thing opened up and contracted and opened up again, it was like, we do this. Like, so now...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
We've done what we do and we do what we do, but we don't feel the desperation to adapt in another way because you have a sense of how the business works and it's also not how we do the show. And I agree with that because the product we do is so tight and it's specific, but it's hard to be a pioneer and then to watch the world move on without you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ja, und es ist Audio. Ja, genau. Aber ja, das war immer die Sache bei uns und bei mir. Und ich glaube, wir wussten beide, dass wenn wir anfingen, unsere Publikation zu verlieren oder so etwas, dass wir, weißt du, bevor es schmerzt, aber es ist einfach nie passiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Right, but that was mostly you because, I mean, for whatever reason, you identified as a radio guy, you know, my talent in the medium early on. And I think the real turning point was when, you know, we got you enough money to leave Sirius because you believed in what we could do. Und auch wenn das Show nicht gelaufen ist, denke ich, das war der Anfang von... Break Room. Break Room, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Von dir zu wissen, dass wir etwas hatten, was ich nicht wissen könnte, dass wir so viel hatten, wie du.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Well, the shift from sort of upper management to, you know, independent, you know, kind of creative business owner. That was a big shift for you. That was good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, but also that, you know, how it's changed me as a person and how it is an essential part of my creativity and my humanity. And, you know, in terms of being with other people, it really does function in a lot of ways that are much deeper than, you know, just creating the podcast, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And you do have to remember to clean them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Hallo ihr Mäuse, wir sind Janni und Alina vom Podcast Wine Wednesday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Oder im Olympiasee? Nee, paddeln wir da drin rum oder was?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Das Geile ist, wir dürfen auf der Bühne an euch Zuschauer und Zuschauerinnen einen 800-Euro-Voucher für Backmarket verlosen. Es lohnt sich also nicht nur, wegen unseren schönen Gesichtern zu kommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It was on Ludlow Street. It's now a hotel. The building has been level, it's gone. It was like a few doors down from Katz's on Ludlow. And it was primarily a music club. I mean, we could get Rob Sacker, the guy who owned the place, to chime in here. But Luna Lounge became a phenomenon because it was really the heart of what became New York's alternative comedy scene. So in my recollection of it,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So, that was interesting, right? It was to me, because I forget almost everything. Uh-oh, is it happening? This whole show came from the full Marin feed on WTF+. We put out two bonus episodes every week and you get every episode of WTF ad-free. To sign up, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Cat Angels.
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The comedy show that ended up there started elsewhere. You know, that was sort of the final home of it. But the first attempt to do an alt show. was not at Luna Lounge. And the first one I remember, maybe the first two was done at some small bar that had a small showroom. It was put on, it was kind of created and curated and booked by Michael O'Brien, the publicist, and Dave Becky, the manager.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Yeah, Dave Becky became really the biggest... Aber ich erinnere mich auch daran, dass wir in den ersten fünf, zehn Jahren immer Gäste von Michael O'Brien hatten. Michael O'Brien und Dave kamen zusammen. Michael O'Brien war nur ein Typ, der in den Anfängen sehr wenige Klienten hatte. Er hat seinen eigenen Shop gegründet. Ich denke, er macht das immer noch. Und Becky hat ihn eingeladen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck nicks? How is your what the fuck miss? Or your what the fuck Annika? No? Yeah? Huh? Yeah? I hope it all went well yesterday. I hope that you're feeling some sort of gratitude or relief that it's over or gratitude for your life or some sort of holiday spirit business. I hope you had a good season.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Das ist so, wie das Geschäft funktioniert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich bin nicht verrückt. Wow. Also haben sie dieses einbuchet. Und auf dem Show waren ich und Jeff Ross und vielleicht Todd. Warte, erinnerst du dich, wo es war? Es war oben oben irgendwo. Ich weiß nicht, ob es ein Funktionär-Club war. Es war ein kleiner Raum. Aber dann wurde es fast sofort zu einem Ort namens Rebar. Und das war das Show. Rebar. War Rebar in Brooklyn? Nein.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Es war diese seltsame Bar. Ich weiß nicht, wie sie es gefunden haben. Es war auf der Westseite. Es war nicht abhängig von dem, was wir machten. Aber das wurde das erste Alt-Comedy-Venue. Es war eine Bar, die sehr seltsam war. Es war einer dieser Orte, die von einem russischen Mob gegründet wurde. Was ist hier für ein Stil? Es war moderner, aber ein bisschen seltsam.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und dann hatten sie eine Rückseite. Und dann haben sie eine Kante da gestellt. And there was no seats. People were sitting on the fucking floor. And there was no real stool. It had some weird kind of welded modern bar stool they pulled in there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I think it was a reaction to the alternative space, that there was something happening and people like, you know, Becky was looking to showcase people, I'm sure. Right. And to have a place where, you know, they had some control over that, that wasn't a comedy club. And this is when...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Während der Luna Lounge wurde die UCB in New York eingestellt, bevor sie ein Theater hatten, und sie kamen dort herunter. Aber dann, als es zu Luna ging, hat es sich an einem Punkt geändert, aber nicht zu Comics. Wenn du sagst, dass es sich geändert hat, was meinst du, wer es gebookt hat? Yeah, I mean, at some point, you know, it moved from Rebar and then it became Luna Lounge.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And the show got a name, Eating It. Okay. You had me and Jeff Ross and, you know, Louis and Silverman and Janine, Zach, you know, the full Colin Quinn eventually. Eventually people made their way because Singer made it appealing. You know, at the beginning, comics like Colin and Patrice and stuff were like, you know, you guys were just doing comedy for nothing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
They made it seem like it was amateur hour. It was an open mic. And I always treated it as a place to work out. In a way that I could not work out in the comedy clubs. And I think eventually that became sort of a thing. I think, I don't know why, I don't know if Colin was adverse to it at the beginning, but he ended up coming around. And then like the state guys, I think...
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Stella hat wahrscheinlich angefangen bei Luna Lounge. Und einige von ihnen haben Solo-Stand-Ups gemacht. Einige von den UCB-Mitgliedern haben Solo-Szenen gemacht. Es wurde also eine große Szene. Und es war das Zentrum einer Comedy-Szene zwischen Performance-Art, Sketch und Stand-Up, die eigentlich einen hübschen Folgen dazu hat.
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Episode 1603 - WTF Origins: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Es war so, dass man da am Montag da war eine Linie aus der Tür und ich war einfach nur dieser kranker Scheiß. Und ich hasste alle, die für irgendeinen Grund gekommen sind. Und ich würde da hochkommen und mein kleines Ding machen. Aber ich war so, weißt du, warum sind all diese Leute hier? Und ich erinnere mich, Will Ferrell kam runter, Celebriten würden anfangen, runterzukommen.
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And it became a thing. And they put couches in the back. It was a weird seating situation. But there was a stage back there and all these couches and people would sit on the floor and stand around the room. All the comics of my generation, most of them eventually performed there at least once or twice. Chappelle would go down there. But that was later.
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Early on it was a little more raw and a little more weird. But then it got pretty mainstream-ish. Perfect.
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For me, it was all I thought about. When anyone would talk about alternative comedy, I didn't really care because I didn't come out of that. Right. You know, like, I mean, I started, I was already, like, I'm older than all these fucking people now anyways. You know, so I started even before Louis, like, Nick DiPaolo is more like my generation New York comic. Dave Attell.
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You know, I started in comedy clubs. You know, I started in the late 80s, you know, in Boston, then came to New York and, you know, was kicking around. So by 1995, you know, I've been working as a professional comic for seven fucking years.
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So for me... It was really just a place to work out in a way that I wasn't beholden to anybody. And, you know, and the idea of it was you couldn't do new material. So that was the challenge. Oh, so wait, hang on.
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I hope as we go into the new year, we can sort of get our brains together and figure out how to deal and get through. Those are my New Year's resolutions. This year... Again, I'm going to focus on dealing and getting through. Huh? Right? So today we're doing the thing we seem to be doing every Christmas for the last bit of time, for the last few Christmases.
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Initially. You got to go up there with something new every week. Talk about your day, whatever. Wasn't a place to do your act. And I'm like, great. But I would just get up there and yell. That's like what you're doing now. Yeah, and sometimes it really wouldn't work.
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Ich meine, manchmal war es einfach... Aber es hat mich gewöhnt, dieses Ding zu machen, wo man einfach da hochkommt und fährt und fährt und fährt, bis man etwas findet. Und wenn man nichts findet, ist es so traurig.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Because they love something so much and it's a happy moment. It's beautiful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah, it is. I know, I'm not going to watch it. It sounds too moving.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
No, I cry. Sometimes I put on music to make myself cry, because I'm having emotions and I can't get there. I didn't cry for years as a kid. This is horrible. But I really didn't, because my father did not have an easy time when I cried.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
But when I'm in a relationship... Everything makes me cry. Yeah.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Oh, God. With what? I mean, I'm never great.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
You did? I did, yes. Very funny. Oh, thank you.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Thank you. You know, I am happy with it. I feel like you're the kind of comic, tell me if I'm wrong, do you watch your sets or listen to them? You do, right?
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
You can read it? Yes. Someone showed me the other day.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yes. You don't have to listen to my horrible voice.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
But you can read the whole thing. It can transcript it.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Ich weiß, sie kommen nie zu Ende. Meine Mutter hat 460.000 E-Mails auf ihrem Telefon. Weißt du, ich habe OCD mit dem, also kann ich nicht mehr neben ihrem Telefon sein. Ich erlöse Texte, damit ich nicht zu viele habe.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Das Nummer macht mir auch Angst. Das ist so lustig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
I don't know where they are. To my Florida house. My mom, when she sends me emojis, but she can't see anything, so she just taps on random things. Like she'll send me like a squirrel, a rainbow, and like a gun. I'm like, what's happening?
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Wait a second, are you kidding? You have no idea how it got there?
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Because my mom, I just see her forehead. Literally. I'm like, could you move the phone down? Hi, can you see me? I'm like, no, I see your hairline.
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You know who that reminds me of? My grandmother. She goes, so, how you doing? I'm like, I'm good. She's like, okay, good. Like, there's no, she, yeah, she never listened. I used to do a bit that she answered her own question. You're going to relate, like, how you doing? Good? Yeah, she's like, we're good, good. Like, I wasn't even in the conversation.
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Yeah, I don't know. My mom just tells me, like, health stuff. I mean, I know this is like a running joke with people, but it just happened yesterday. I'm like, what's new with you? She's like, well, I have something on my back, but Herb's daughter, her boyfriend's daughter, is a skin doctor. And she said, you know, they should take a sample. And Herb's okay. His heart is doing well.
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We're going to Italy. I just hope we are okay there. It's just like all negative.
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The Arabs brought COVID-19 into the country. Well, my dad would only watch Fox News and Trump when he was dying. So I'm watching him die. I'm going to watch him. I'm going to watch Trump. If you don't want to fucking be with me, you don't have to be in the room. But I'm not turning it off.
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He did, like when Trump came along, he cared about money and he cared, you know.
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And then, like a lot of people, a lot of Jewish people, he... Turned? Yeah.
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Yeah, my mom is, but yeah, you're right, my dad, yeah.
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It's going to be awesome. Yeah. I'm so glad it's just starting. You know? What do you mean? Well, we're not three or four years in. Like, it's just all starting now. Oh, yeah.
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Are you kidding? My head is a war zone. Totally. By the way, I don't think about it a lot anymore and I can't watch the news. I can't. Since yesterday? Yeah, since this morning. I can't.
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Yeah. Right when we started talking. Wait, is this your first special? No. No, my first special was on Comedy Central and now this one's on Hulu. So that was a while ago? It was, and this is amazing, it was on once. I mean, can you fucking believe that? All the money, all the time, they put it on one time.
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I'm shocked that you weren't on Comedy Central that one hour. That's the fucking worst. That one was called Talking to Myself, because I turn around and have those conversations with myself on stage. I don't even know if you've seen me do that.
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I love saying that, because some people are like, what the fuck just happened? And it was on once, and then they put it to the paper, like you had to pay for it, so one person watched it, and then... The sort of, you know, the levels of rejection available...
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We lost it. It's on Animal Planet. Yeah, we deal with a lot of, you know, that's part of why stand-up worked for me in the beginning. Because I'm like, this is familiar. It's a horrible feeling.
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It's abusive. To yourself. That's what I'm saying. It's self-inflicting abuse.
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You go upstairs to the table and you're like, I'm going to be abused here. Well, I don't mind that.
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Yeah, I was auditioning for Conan once at Stand Up New York many years ago. And there were comics in the corner talking and laughing at me. They really were being horrific. And in the middle of my audition, I said something. I'm like, you guys are disgusting. Like your other comics, I'm up here. I addressed it. I just have to do that sometimes. I can't.
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I have a great story about that. I sang in a car. I used to sing in the car and do like silly singing. I didn't even tell a joke. And it was on Facebook. It went viral. It was one of my first videos going viral years ago. And someone wrote, someone wrote, I hope she hits a tree and dies on impact. And it was liked by like 65,000 people. Like they all were happy. Yeah.
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It's just, it's like, you know, it's the same thing everyone says. You could have 5,000 amazing comments in that one, you know, negative one.
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Ja, für mich ist es historisch. Es ist aus meinem Vergangenheit. Ich kann es fühlen. Ich kenne es. Es ist ein voller Körper. Ich weiß.
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Es ist schrecklich. Schrecklich. Ich kenne es jeden Tag. Jeden Tag?
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Nein, ich kenne es, wenn ich... Ja, mein ganzer Tag. Ich fühle mich so. Nein, aus Videos. Ich kenne es, weil meine Videos alle vorbei sind.
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Ja. Nein, ich meine, ich mache es nicht so einfach. Es kommt auf. Manchmal gehe ich einfach drauf und es sagt den Kommentar, wenn ich etwas sehe.
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Nein, du musst es auf Comedy Central bezahlen.
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Sie haben es einmal gezeigt. Weißt du, ich bekomme es zurück. Ich habe es gerade erkannt. Ich bekomme es zurück.
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Oh, gut. Es war wie ein sechsjähriges Deal, dass wir es zurückbekommen. Ich bin wirklich gespannt.
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No, no, no. It's nothing. It's all like family stuff.
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They were amazing. I mean, it's a lot of gay men. They're the best. That's a huge audience for me.
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Ich denke, erstens, sie haben viele Frauen-Comics gemacht, wenn man sich das anschaut.
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You have to be, yes, and you have to be powerful because they don't get threatened by a powerful woman. They love it. Yeah. And they feel understood by me and accepted. And I understand their culture because I spend so much time around gay men doing gay cruises, like everything.
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So, you know, they feel like I have their back.
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What is she wearing? Yeah. Those guys. I'll become friends with her, because I need things fixed in my house. Yeah, it is a weird combination. Right? It is. It's real. Yeah, it's real. Older Lesbians have a thing about some gay men now, that they were there for them during AIDS. They really showed up. And I think some of them feel like gay men don't support them.
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Yeah, I love that kind of stuff. Because when I travel all over the country, like the gay men are different, of course, in certain places. It's hysterical. Like you go to Oklahoma and some of them are in cowboy hats. And I'm like, you're really trying to pass for straight. It's dangerous.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Well, I don't think they're trying to do it, but it's just, well, I think it's more obviously more acceptable for them to like walk around Oklahoma, not be so...
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Ich denke, wenn es um Kinder geht, könnte es ein Problem sein. Aber ich denke auch, weil Trump so genutzt werden möchte, haben viele gaye Männer... Ich meine, ja, es gibt eine große Menge, die ihn unterstützt haben. Es gibt eine Menge republikanische gaye Männer. Das ist, was ich sage. Also ich denke, er ist so, wir können sie für ein bisschen aufstehen. Ja, sie haben Geld. Viele haben Geld.
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Ich liebe, dass du nur halb gay gesagt hast. Seine linke Seite ist halb gay.
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No, I always say that kind of thing. I think so many, yeah.
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What the fuck is happening? Is this a march for equinox?
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And I'm like, what just come out? I know. Well, they probably are. They're enraged or scared, whatever. What's happening?
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Ich denke, dass ich, nein, ich hatte eine alte, also ich habe eine Tochter mit meinem Ex, Sherry, und dann habe ich drei mit meinem Ex, jetzt Danielle. Ja. Aber ich war immer noch verheiratet, als ich in der letzten Zeit war, und ich denke, ich hatte eine mit Danielle.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yes, so what happened, I'm very open about it. So, with the first, my first daughter, we used a donor and Shari got pregnant. And then with the next three, with Danielle, used a different donor, of course. And she got pregnant with three children. Oh, at the same time? No, she had Isabella and then three years later we had twins, which was not in vitro, but it was crazy.
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She's at University of Delaware. She's a freshman. She's 18.
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Ich meine, sie ist der beste Kind der Welt. Sie ist so gut. Aber sie spricht so. Oh mein Gott, wann kommst du besuchen? Das ist viel.
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It's bizarre, right? It's really not present. It's not centered. They're all on their phones.
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I have no idea what she says half the time. Except for cringe. She calls me cringe sometimes. You're cringe. Yeah. It's not a bad thing. No, it's not. I feel like, sometimes I want to... I think you lean into the cringe. I do it sometimes when people don't want me to.
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I don't like being told I'm a comic, so I don't like feeling suppressed or having people tell me what I can and can't say or do or anything.
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It is mania. It's like addictive. It really is.
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Right, that's what I mean. I mean more, it's not connected at all.
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Well, she's an actress and a singer. She's been doing it since she's four. I know, it's crazy. And she's incredible, like a Broadway singer. Yeah. She was in a movie with De Niro and Bobby Carnival. I forgot how to say his name. Oh, what movie? Carnivali? Yeah, when Bobby, he played a comic. It was like a year or two ago. I saw that movie. Oh, yeah.
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Ja, sie hat die Tochter gespielt, mit der sie bleiben wollte. Ja, ich habe das Film gesehen. Ja, sie ist erstaunlich. Sie ist es wirklich. Und sie hat... Und du kennst De Niro, oder? Ja, sehr gut. Ich habe mit ihm Seite zu Seite gearbeitet, für Monate. Er hat mich im Keller gesehen, das ist verrückt.
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Der Film, der Komiker, wo er den Komiker spielt.
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Wir haben noch nicht gesprochen, aber wir sind sehr, sehr nah. Ich meine, wenn ich zu ihm rausgekommen wäre, würde er sofort mit mir sprechen.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Nein, weil ich auf der Straße war. Ich meine, es war verrückt. Ich dachte, er war großartig in dem Film. Ich liebe es, ihn in kleinen Teilen zu sehen.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Weißt du, als ich ihn getroffen habe, hat Trump literally die erste Zeit angefangen, für Präsidenten zu laufen. Und ich war in seinem Trailer mit ihm.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Das ist verrückt. Es ist verrückt. Ja, er wäre in seinem Trailer und ich würde kommen und seine Make-up machen, damit er nicht ein Shirt trägt. Er hat Tattoos überall. Es ist verrückt. Ich habe ihn nie erwartet. Wirklich? Ja, er hat Tattoos und er hat einen wunderschönen Körper. Ja. Wie für jemanden, der meine Mutter ist. Ich meine, es ist verrückt.
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Ja, das ist wahr. Er ist ein armer Arschloch. Er hat CNN im Trailer gesehen und er hat gesagt, was für ein Arschloch, dieser Kerl. Es hat dann angefangen.
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Klar, sie haben ihn gehofft, seit er nur ein furchtbarer Arschloch war. Ich habe so viele Geschichten von Leuten gehört, die mit ihm beschäftigt waren. Wirklich? Ja. Er hat nicht bezahlt, er hat das gemacht, sie schulden ihn. Ja.
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So I have a nine and a half year old and I have twin almost six year olds. It's crazy. It's a lot. I'm in love with them. Do you live with them? Now I got divorced. The second time? Yeah. But the first relationship wasn't legal. It wasn't legal at the time. Legal marriage. So I've technically been married once.
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And I live in an apartment 10 minutes from them and they live in the house that I lived in.
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Wir sind alle versteckt. Ich bin nur verrückt. Nein, es ist nicht in einer der jüdischen Städte. Manche Leute wissen es nicht, aber es gibt einige Städte, die wirklich jüdisch sind.
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Sie sind persische Juden. Und sie sind auch sehr religiös, einige dieser Städte.
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Ich glaube so. Waren es nicht viele in L.A.?
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That is what I grew up with. Not 400,000. No, of course not. Yeah, but I did grow up with that too.
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Remember going to them in like the musical chairs, like the boys and the girls, like it was such a thing.
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I know, same thing. And I did Friday night, Saturday morning. And we did like a kids party, an adult party.
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My parents were getting divorced, so they did not spend a lot on the parties. No, it was fine. I had parties, but it was like, the adult party was like after the Bar Mitzvah, there were bagels. Right, that's right, at the synagogue. Yeah, every synagogue smells like sturgeon.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
My grandmother would take rolls from every single, she had a lot of money. And even if, I remember one time I had a bite out of it. There was a roll that had a bite out of it. And I'm like, yeah, she took it, it had lipstick around it. She's like, I'll cut around it.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yes. I used to go. Both grandmothers, of course, lived in South Florida.
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Wenn irgendwo gutes Brot gibt, wird jeder Jude gehen. Es ist wirklich ein Grund.
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So how are you, my friend, today? That is so funny. And they get there at 3 o'clock for dinner, because it's cheaper.
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Oh, they're horrible. They're horrible. Yeah, it's like, and they always get fish. My grandparents always got like Filet-O-Sauce, Amandine, and they shared it. They had a whole thing going on. Tupperware, the whole thing.
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Yeah, they love me there. My grandmother would wake me up at 5 in the morning and ask me what I want for dinner when I went to Florida. Where do you want to go for dinner? I'm like, what? She's like, do you want Italian or a diner? I'm like, I don't even know where I am right now.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
And then breakfast, she would just give me like half a grapefruit, because I always had a little weight to lose, so she would feed me. Do you really think I'm not going to get food somewhere else?
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I love that he was a regular. It sounds like he's a com...
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No, they know me very well. They give me the hash browns, not the French fries.
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Yeah, well done. Everything has to be well done, by the way. Every omelette, every Jew eats a well done omelette.
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Who else would eat lox, eggs and onion? It's the best though. It's the best. We grew up on the same thing.
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It is. Yeah. And well done onion. Yeah, we love well done onion.
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Because a lot of them just have to complain. I know.
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Of course his name was Sonny. We had a Sonny's Bagels in my town growing up.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Shelly is such a Jew. People would not know that, but Shelley is such an old Jewish man.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
They're about to die and they need pastrami.
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There's nothing better than a potato pancake.
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Yeah, but they take a long time to make. Do they? Yeah, you put onions in it, the whole thing.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Do you know the first time I was in my 20s, I made matzo ball soup? I called my mother, I don't know what's happening, but it tastes like water. It's literally, there's no taste. Yeah. Sie fragte mich, was ich in die Bratwürfel gesetzt habe. Und ich sagte, Bratwürfel. Sie fragte, Jessica, du musst ein Bratwürfel einsetzen. Ich habe es wirklich geschnitten. Bratwürfel. Ja, natürlich.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Meine Großmutter's Name war Sadie. Ike und Ida waren meine Großmutter. Ja.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Meine Großeltern waren Beatrice und Irving. Das ist mein Vaters Name.
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Ja, einige von ihnen wollen nicht mit dir sprechen.
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Oh, die spielen alle. Mahjong. Meine Großmutter spielt immer Mahjong.
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Yeah, my grandparents belonged to a club, you know, a golf club growing up. I hated going there. I used to say, I used to like go in the kitchen and be nice to the staff. I felt bad for every single person that worked there. And there was a room where women were allowed to go in. You could not step foot in the room if you were, this was when I was a kid, if you were a woman.
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And if you got divorced, the woman couldn't be a member anymore.
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Julie Lehrhoff. Das ist mein Onkels Name. Julie? Ja. Und Seymour. Julie und Seymour waren meine Großbrüder.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Ja. Mein Großvater, mein großer Großvater war Ike Lehrhoff.
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Sandy is a great name for a Jewish guy too.
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These are like names that are, like I guess they had female kind of names. It's interesting.
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Yeah, of course. That was like the next generation.
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It always felt like an Israel thing. When I met someone like Ahuva.
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Also, du siehst deine Kinder immer? Oh, ja. Ich meine, das ist der Grund, warum ich nie weg bin. Und du gehst mit Danielle zusammen? Ja, das machen wir. Ich meine, hör mal, es hat einen Moment gedauert. Es ist sehr hart. Ich weiß, du bist durchgegangen. Ich habe keine Kinder. Richtig. Es ist sehr, sehr schwierig, wenn du Kinder hast.
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Und ich wollte wirklich alles zusammenhalten, weil ich von Eltern kam, die einen wirklich schlechten Divorz hatten. Ja. And they ended up getting along and they were fine with each other for years. And really, I was lucky. But the thought of leaving the house for me, because when my dad left, it was horrific for me. How old were you? Oh, bad age.
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I was 12 when they got separated and 13 when they got divorced. But they were not happy forever. I mean, they were not happy. So it killed me. It killed me to leave my kids.
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Ich hatte ein bisschen, und ich bin ganz ehrlich, sie haben zwei Moms.
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Und jetzt haben sie eine Mutter, die sich entfernt hat. Ich konnte meine Sachen nicht auf sie einstellen. Ich musste viel daran arbeiten. Ja. Weil es wirklich nicht wahr war. Sie sind okay.
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Aber ich dachte, ich würde sie für immer beschädigen.
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Ja, dass du dich sicher fühlst. Ich spreche über das immer. Mein Vater mit meinen Kindern würde immer sagen, dass sie nicht lachen. Sie sind nicht gespannt, mich zu sehen. Ich sage, weil du schrecklich bist mit einem Toupet und du lachst. You know, he was always concerned about how much they loved him or wanted to be around him. I'm like, they're two.
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You know, my mom was involved in EST. We've talked about this before. The Forum.
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My mom's an art therapist. When you said she's a painter, I was like, that's interesting.
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Yeah, it was very telling. Yeah, it's not easy, because Danielle, first of all, my parents were older. She is nine years younger than me. Her parents were very involved. And that's part of the reason why... Jewish? No, that's part of the reason why I stayed on Long Island, because I'm on the road a lot, and her family's around. Oh, good. So it's important, they help. That's great. They're great.
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Right, right. They're so helpful and I love them.
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Right. I didn't think anyone did when I was growing up. I really felt that way. Yeah. Yeah. So it's better now. And I see them all the time. I mean, every time I'm home, I don't like I used to go into the city and do spots all the time. I don't. I just spend time with my kids.
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Du kannst es nicht. Ich sage immer, es geht nie weg.
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Ich auch nicht. Aber die Gefühle, die ich intern habe, besonders mit meiner Mutter, weil sie damals nicht viel mit mir zu tun hatte. Es gibt wirklich keinen Weg, diese Höhle zu füllen. Wenn du ohne eine Mutter wohnst, ist es schwierig. Es ist ständig Arbeit. Es ist nicht etwas, was ich täglich denke, aber ich war bei ihr in Florida. Yeah. Like two weeks ago. Really? Yeah. And stuff came up for me.
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And look at me. I'm older. Like... But I'm not angry at all.
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Ja, das ist die Antwort. Ich meine, danke. Ich fühle mich validiert.
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Das ist so, meine Mutter, meine Mutter, ich spreche darüber, meine Mutter hat immer Therapie mit mir gemacht.
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Was nicht gut ist. Nein. Also würde sie sagen, du siehst wütend aus, schreib ein Bild von deinen Gefühlen.
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Und ich analysiere es. Aber ich bin so, du bist derjenige, ich habe gesagt, du sitzt still. Ja. Ja, aber es ist nicht großartig, weil ich nie gefühlt habe, dass ich meine Gefühle nur präzisieren kann. Sie hat versucht, es zu lösen.
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Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Sie brauchten so viel Aufmerksamkeit. Und es war nie nur über mich. Ich bin in einer Beziehung jetzt, wo jemand sagt, Very giving and cares about my feelings. And I'm like, oh my God, it was very uncomfortable at first.
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I didn't trust it. I don't trust it at all. I know, but you learned, if you constantly communicated about it, which I don't like doing sometimes, but talk about your fears, it really helps.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Aber ich glaube, ich bin zu dem Punkt gekommen, weil mein Ex mich liebte, wir waren einfach nicht richtig für uns. Und es wurde immer schlimmer und schlimmer. Es gab Dinge, die passiert sind. Aber ich bin älter jetzt und ich denke, ich bin fertig. Ich muss gut behandelt werden. Ich muss gut behandelt werden. You know, like the best. I deserve that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
I've been through enough hell, like I know you have, in relationships. I'd rather be alone the rest of my life. And my biggest thing was finding someone who's kind and who will work on themselves. Everything else is a plus, is an add-on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Like, this is not gonna end, this is gonna end someday. You're gonna switch, you're gonna turn. Yeah, I can't trust you. I think also watching someone with other people, because she has kids too, so watching how she is with her kids, that's a big thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Like, where do you even meet people? Where do you meet people? They come up to me. Yeah, I had a feeling. I mean, you're so adorable. You are. And you're so honest. I was thinking about it before for a second when you were talking, like, about your mom being sexual. Like, I just, I'm always impressed at how deep you get. Like, how you look at this stuff and you're so honest. It's so funny, though.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
I know. I always, like I had, my dad was great. He was the funniest person I knew, but he was verbally abusive. Yeah. Very. Aber er war mehr wie, du siehst es, genau das, was du sagst. Du weißt einfach, er hat eine Temper, er ist schmerzhaft, er ist manchmal unabhängig, er ist ein toller Geschäftsmann. Aber mit meiner Mutter ist es so tief. Ich weiß, ich habe das gleiche Ding.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Ich weiß, ich weiß, es ist sehr unterliegend. Und es ist sehr, für mich ist es so intensiv, weil es die Mutter ist. Es ist jemand, der geboren wurde. Es gibt so eine Verbindung. Es ist anders. Es ist einfach so seltsam.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah, you gotta stop. I stopped a while ago because I'm like, I accepted that people are who they are, especially our parents because they're older. It's like, what, are they all of a sudden changed now? Yeah. I mean, it is what it is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Das war die Liebe, die du dachtest. Das ist richtig. Ich meine, du dachtest, es war alles um sie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
But not because they care that you're going to, that something happens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Well, that my dad could not handle when we were sick. That's why I said he couldn't handle when we cried. Like anytime you were vulnerable, he'd be like, you have a headache. This is all I fucking need. Business is bad. I got to fucking work on. You're probably sick. Something's going to happen. Like it was so dramatic. It sounds like I'm joking, but it was so dramatic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
And it was all about him and how it affected his day.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Well, maybe if you just killed yourself, you wouldn't be sick.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah, this is traumatizing. Yeah. It's very traumatizing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
He wasn't even a doctor. Can you imagine? He was the principal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
That's very traumatizing. I think so. I did it with my mom with emotional stuff, because if I talked to her about... You know, having something wrong or I was in trauma or something's happening, that's when I got her attention. Because she would want to do therapy with me. Exactly. Same exact thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah. Negative attention. Well, they gave me attention for weight stuff and eating. So I blew up. Oh, yeah. When I was younger. Yeah. Because it's the only way I could get them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
I do that in my act now. I can't believe you just said that. Where's the section for the heavy children? In Bloomingdale's. Should we go to get a fitted sheet?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
They were so aggressive and loud and inappropriate and boundaryless. Oh my God.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
So she thought you were heavy? Yes. Because there's Jewish heavy. It's 10 pounds or something. That's right. 5 or 10 pounds. That means you're enormous.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
It's amazing you take such good care of yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah, but Mark, you could have gone the other way. Ich meine, du hättest dich wirklich nicht kümmern können. Das ist wahr. Und du hast es immer, es scheint mir, seit ich dich kennengelernt habe, du hast es immer. Ja, ich bin ziemlich kompulsiv darüber.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Was machst du für Angst? Ich mache nicht genug, aber ich mache, natürlich bin ich in Therapie. Keine Medizin? Nein, ich bin mediziert, aber auf eine kleine Anzahl, aber ich muss es sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
That's how I am. I know I keep saying, we're very similar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Ja, ja. I was like that before I was on the current, the exact same thing. Now I'm not. I'm on, um, um, what's it called? Desinflaxine, which is, uh, oh my God, you don't even know what I'm on. I take Tresidone at night, which is not addictive to help me sleep.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah, because it's not... It's not like a total brain number. It's not. Prozac, when I did Prozac, when I was in college, I didn't feel a thing. I'm not even kidding. I was like a vegetable.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah, I did not. I didn't cry. I didn't laugh a lot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Yeah, and when I'm on, I feel my emotions. I cry. I can laugh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
I've been sober four and a half years back. I relapsed during COVID.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
No, it was never fun. I know you've never relapsed, but that was not my first relapse and it's just a nightmare. I tell people because I'm like, don't do it. First of all, I did not do it to get high. I did it to knock myself out. I smoked tons of pot and took Ambien. Not the only thing, but meaning I took a ton of Ambien and I just wanted to knock myself out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
I was miserable. I was very upset about my career, like with COVID. I was not happy in my relationship and I was stuck home, not on the road. And then my dad passed away during COVID. So I was done.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
No, I know. There's never been a time when I'm like, I can smoke a little pot. That was a long time ago. I love when people are like, why can't you smoke a little pot? I'm like, because I'll end up eating out of a garbage and fucking every friend when they don't even want me to. Ja, natürlich. Ich weiß, das ist... Mom's inappropriateness. I need a pouch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
I love that you just said that. I have a special on Animal Planet called Moo.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Es heißt Ich bin der Mann. Und es ist auf Hulu. Es kommt am 25. April. Und ich bin wirklich stolz darauf. Ich musste es wirklich sehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Ich habe es gemacht, weil wir es schon lange gedreht haben. Es ist schnell zu bewegen. Die Leute müssen nicht viel denken. Ich mache viele Charaktere. Ich bin mir immer bewusst, dass ich straight Männer bin. Das bedeutet, es ist nicht wie ein Mädchen-Comics-Special.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Dieser ist ein bisschen dreckig. Der andere, dieser ist dreckig. Du weißt, wie halb davon, aber der letzte, den ich gemacht habe, ist nicht überhaupt. Und der nächste wird es nicht sein. Es ist nur für einen Grund, dass dieser... Du musst es rausnehmen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Was meinst du mit dem nächsten? Ich arbeite auf Material, also was ich rausnehme.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Es geht wirklich nicht um Sex. Es geht eher um Dinge, die jeder durchführt. Wie zum Beispiel zu Weihnachten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Es geht um Kinder und andere lustige Dinge, die ich erlebt habe. Ich dachte, es wäre toll.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1637 - Jessica Kirson
Ich liebe es, mit dir zu sprechen. Du bist großartig. Schön, dich zu sehen. Du auch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Are you doing everything you can to try to get out of the hole of despair and misery? Are you? Well, look, a lot of it's out of your control. So, you know, take a load off. Yeah, but it's happening. Here we go. America is getting greater by the minute. It feels so great to have a third of the population paralyzed in fear. What an amazing feeling it must be for them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Na, nein, ich meine, die Geografie ist noch da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ich meine, was, sie haben es alle geschlossen? Ich schätze, ja. Oh, du hast es noch nicht versucht? Du hast dich heute nicht wie ein Hike gefühlt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ich meine, ich schaue auf die App und es ist so, als ob die Luft heute okay ist. Ja. Aber hast du den Feuer von deinem Haus gesehen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Es war wirklich nah. Also in diesem Moment fühlst du Angst? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Du kriegst einen dieser dummen Schauspieler.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ich bin besessen mit meinem Rettungs-Hart-Rat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Nein, wenn es hoch ist, ist es gut. Ich meine, ich habe keine hohe Blutdauer. Mein Rettungs-Hart-Rate ist gut, weil ich viel exercisiere. Mein Cholesterol ist ein bisschen borderline, aber der Rest ist okay. Der Pumper. Das ist gut. Also, du bist weg. Hast du Pferde?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
You just got your go bags together? Did you bring your papers?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Like, you know, you can just go to Target, you can go, whatever you need, go to a bank machine. Like, I evacuated, I brought like two pairs of underwear, a couple pairs of socks, cat food and cash. Like, I was gonna make it down to Mexico with just the bare essentials.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, I think I, for the apocalyptic situation, like for real, like you better bring a better go-bag.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, I mean, it's just sort of like, you know, then it's sort of like, is there gonna be electricity? They always, every emergency situation requires this, like, hand-crank radio.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, like, I mean, when was the last time you listened to a fucking radio?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Radio, that's from another time. That's like old-timey shit. Yeah. Yeah. No radios in the house? Parents, no radios?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh yeah? Where they listen to music or the public radio? Music, just music. The light talking folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I don't know. I don't listen to anything but music. I used to listen to NPR. I used to know all the folks working on NPR, giving me the news.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I don't. I don't know why. I used to listen in my car. I think I feel like I'm getting the information that they're getting on my phone. So I could, if I could do MPR, like if I look at the right sources, I kind of get it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, thank you for telling me how that works, Sophie. I appreciate it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Das ist alles ein Mysterium für mich. Ich dachte, sie würden es nur durch ihre Eierkissen bekommen, als es passiert ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ich glaube, das heißt Journalismus. Wir haben das nicht in Kanada. Du hast kein Journalismus in Kanada? Nein. Warte, was war das Problem mit der Arbeitsvisa? Hast du jemals deportiert? Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
That's the hardest part to get around. They love it. They love that you're terrified. They love that you're scared. They love that you're in pain. They love that you're concerned. I mean, the fact that that fucking guy at the church takes offense to a minister.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Now, do you know people that have, like, how does that, are they on top of that shit?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Do you know any that are just here without visas? Of course. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No, I like the sound of it, though. It sounds fun.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
This is one person at the customs agency or who was it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No gymnastics. What about, is that different than the living visa?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, I mean, like, you have a visa that allows you to work, and that's not separate from the visa, just enabling you to be here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Okay. So now you think, like, have you known anybody that had an expired work visa or no work visa, and they were taken away?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, I see. So that's why you think your lawyer screwed up, because they didn't update it to your current agency?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
ICM. What happened to ICM? I can't remember. Was I at ICM?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, so you went over there. Yeah. They sold you a bill of goods. Sounded right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, Canadians. I'm waiting to hear about my application for PR.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, it was sort of like this, I wanted to be able to do it because I wanted to be able to get out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Because I am a catastrophic thinker and I don't think things are going to go well. I just don't want to be the Jew at the border without his papers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Asking him to be merciful. Like that was some affront. How dare you? How dare you ask me to have a heart or empathy or sympathy or any sense of human connection to the peoples whose lives I'm going to ruin. I'm going to ruin it because so many people just love it. They love it. Rip them out of their homes. They love it. Put them on buses. Oh my God, separate them from their kids.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
If I'm going to head north, I want to have more than just a few scripts or ideas. I don't want to be accustomed to pitching them some show ideas for CBC.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
It feels like everyone gets a shot at CBC if you hang around Canada long enough.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Do you know the show that Robbie Hoffman wrote for? The Children's Show? She wrote for a Children's Show forever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I can't remember which one, but what a gig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, I don't know if it was French. Maybe it was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Huh. So you come from Canada. That's your place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I didn't know who you were. You just showed up and you were just, you know, all full of the juice, the beans.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, I thought she was going to go do that yesterday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Time got away from you. Yeah, she just worked with me in Napa and in Sacramento.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I was fairly traumatized on the Friday and that turned out to be great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah. Yeah. And my audience is sort of like, okay, this is where he's at. Saturday got a little weird in Napa. Weird how? Okay. Okay. ist, dass Napa einer dieser Städte ist, wo Leute für den Wochenende oder für eine Woche gehen, um den Wein und, weißt du, eine Art Bougie-Vacation-Ding zu machen. Und ich denke, es könnten einige Leute gewesen sein, die sagten, was passiert in der Stadt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, well, I think a lot of my fans came in from the Bay Area, but I do think there were some people that were like, I never heard of this guy, let's go check it out. And that's a lot. If you don't know what you're getting into with me, it's not going to be the standard fare.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Something, yeah. You opened for me, where was that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Right? You ready to open for some more? But you're a big shot now, you don't open for people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Your audiences will be good. And now she's like newly gay, so that brings in a whole other bunch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Wow, so you weren't really like, you weren't forced to leave.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Does your mom speak French? Yes. Everybody speaks French. Yeah. Your mom's a Montreal person?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Are you Jewish? Are you Montreal Jewish? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah. This is like a big Jewish thing in Montreal, huh?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, it's the best. Why isn't there a round-the-clock station just showing this? Oh man, empathy is for suckers. They don't know how good this feels to thoroughly enjoy people in pain, people in fear, people who are hopeless. Oh, I'm eating their fucking hearts like it's a fucking cake.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, that seems to be where the Jews in Canada are.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
They put an article in the paper. The Jew is gone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
She's out. We got her a work visa. Have fun in America.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, I know that. And I know the guy that's gunned him for the position seems like kind of a douche.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ja, aber sind es noch andere, sind es noch andere Lefties, die gegen ihn laufen? Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Okay, maybe you can educate me, because I might have to live in Canada.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, and that's pretty pricey, but I guess they make it optional. It's like, well, you have no teeth, or we can put new ones in there. So there's probably a lot of Canadians just missing big chunks of teeth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Okay, so what's the system? Is it a parliamentary system? Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So the way it works is that there's a majority party and the prime minister comes from that party?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And now, generally speaking, like, my impressions of Canada have shifted over the years. Like, you know, I go to Montreal, I go to the festival, and I'd be like, this place is a filthy, sexy, you know, French fucking mess. Correct. Was war die Lüge, die ich da oben gemacht habe? Ich sagte, es ist seltsam, in Montreal sieht es aus, als wären alle fünf Minuten von der Straße weg.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Und in Vancouver sieht es aus, als wären alle fünf Minuten weg vom Hiken.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I think I did it on my Gala that nobody saw that I hosted.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
How is that fucking possible? I never hear anything. I've appeared on so many of those galas and then I hosted one. Not one tweet, not one email, not one anything. I think one person said I saw it on a plane.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
But what about the people watching it? I mean, I couldn't have done that badly that nobody would say anything. Usually you get an email on your website like, hey, I just saw you on the go. Pretty good job. Or even a tweet or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I just think Canadians just don't... They don't volunteer as much information. They're not as needy or as, you know, look at me-ish.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yes, I don't know what you do with that. You know what I mean? I hope it was all worth it to get the price of groceries down. for those of the people that are just kind of half in, just made the decision just to sort of get their feet wet and work on a kind of a reactive, emotionally reactive decision against the status quo of an attempt at decency.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Here's some other observations I've had about Canada recently.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I want to know if... So, like, I used to think... Once I got out of Montreal, that's its own thing. I know it's Canada, but it's its own thing. Totally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I've been to Toronto, I've shot stuff in Toronto, I've performed in Toronto, I've been to Winnipeg, I've been to Edmonton, I've been to Calgary, I've been to Victoria, and then I've spent a lot of time in Vancouver, because I just shot up there last year for three months.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And I used to think, you know, Canada was boring.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
But as I get older, I'm like, well, maybe it's just nice.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Unless you're like Brent Butt or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Er ist der Größte. Aber ich habe auch recently bemerkt, dass es etwas gibt. Zunächst einmal, wenn du Amerikaner bist und du sensibel bist oder du freust dich aus, weil der politische oder kulturelle Klima hier ist. Right when you get off the plane in Canada, it's gone. You're like, it's not here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Whatever that frenetic, chaotic zeitgeist of the American consciousness, cultural, it just doesn't exist up there. You're all quick to say, we know what's going on down there, but you're not infected by it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, but I got off the plane and I was like, oh my God, thank God, it's not here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
That's what you realize, because when I told people I might want to live up there, You know, there are certain political people I know. They're like, well, it's going to be up there, too. I'm like, yeah, but no one lives up there. There's like 38 million people in the entire fucking country. How bad could it get?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I know. It's crazy with the size of the country. But then also I started to realize, like... Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, I see. And poppies are also where opiates come from.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Tall poppy syndrome. So you can't get too big for your britches in Canada. And when you do, if they cut you off, you come to America and become a movie star.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, I mean, and also, what's the name, Ryan Reynolds? Yep. Alright, Tall Poppy Syndrome. I'm glad that's what it's called. So, Ottawa. I've never been to Ottawa.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, but they can just drive to Toronto to see me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
There's a kind of a comedy literate audience in all of Canada. Like Winnipeg is kind of a smart place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I mean, you know, terrain wise, it's a little rough.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I hope that loaf of bread is worth it, all that blood and pain. I guess people can detach themselves from that. But look, on a lighter note, there's another huge fire north of here. So, yeah, I've been kind of monitoring that. I don't think I'm in any danger right now. But you just watch that goddamn map. And it's astounding. They're popping up everywhere. The layers of...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, ich sehe. Ja. Okay. Ich denke, ich weiß nicht, ich dachte, die Amish oder die Mennoniten, sie machen ihre, oder denke ich an die Shakers, die Shaker-Furniture.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Fast or Amish. So when do you... Too fast, too Amish. When do you start performing? Because you seem like one of those people that performs, that's performing all their life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No, but I mean like when you're a kid, when does it all happen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, like when do you start doing things? Where do you start realizing you're an entertainer?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Punk-Rock-Saxophon. Nicht so viele von ihnen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Peter Buttle? Ja. Hat er ein paar Rekorde gemacht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Also, sie hatten einen Frontmann und dein Vater hatte spikige Haare.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
But he also does some kind of laid back jazz, maybe as he gets older.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
To hold this space in a prison. Yeah. So you grew up with a lot of music in the house and your mom's a painter?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, really beautiful. Like she paints things.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Painting the bridges. And does she sell her paintings?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, so really you just grew up with your mom. Yeah, mostly. And that was in Ottawa.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So when do you start thinking like you're going to be a comedian? And why?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Warst du einer der jungen Freaken, die auf dem Montreal Comedy Festival anwesend waren, als du 14 oder 15 warst?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
But were you like this kind of circus act in the way that like, let's go watch the little girl do it?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, I'm glad that that whole tone is stuck with you this long.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Fear and Despair, available right now, are... Man, it is just a fucking massive, massive blundering force in my brain. I know you guys are feeling it, but maybe have some ice cream or something. Maybe have a little ice cream. Maybe take a break from it. Maybe... Maybe just don't check in until nine.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Sex and politics. Yeah. What else is there? Food?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Sometimes the converts are more convincing.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So when does the depression start to consume you?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So it's not like a chemical thing. It's more of an environmental thing.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So you said you did comedy for five years and then it started to click? Ja. Und du arbeitest in den Räumen von Breslin?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Als sie noch einen Club in Vancouver hatten?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I remember that place. Was that... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not the old Yuck Yucks. Was it an old Yuck Yucks?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Right, but that one was right like on... On Burrard? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And it was like a very small backstage area and there was a curtain.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Because I was up there for three months. It's hard to find, you know, good spots.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
House of Comedies, that's what's his name? There's one in Edmonton. Is that the same one? Yeah, Rick Bronson? Yeah. Right. Have you done that one in Edmonton?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And in the hallway, I think like on my floor, there were like horses.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Manchmal. Ja? Ich mache Clubs. Die, die ich mache, ich mache St. Louis, Helium, um Shit zu arbeiten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ich mache Denver, Comedy Works. Du tourst in deiner Theaterzeit, oder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, no, I mean, we did all the Trump stuff once before, but now it seems more menacing. So I had to shift it, you know, specifically to fascism as opposed to this Trump guy. This is a fucking problem. Now it's like pretty much across the board, straight up authoritarian time. So it's a different way to approach it.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
You know, look, I only wish, and I'm not speaking as somebody who does this, the idea that we do what we can and we feel like there's nothing we can do is real. The idea that we don't have anyone watching our backs or representation that seems to be snapping into action in any way. Granted, it's only been a few days and we all expected all of this to happen.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh yes, I do, definitely. I think that, you know, this is the end of our system. And, you know, I don't know what that means or how they'll continue to pound away at the edges of it to make it seem like it's still a functioning system. But I don't think that the system survives this.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, just because the tactics of... The party have shifted into straight up authoritarian tactics. There are things that are sort of happening over time that they get reported as like, oh my God, anybody who doesn't agree with Trump is being terrorized with death threats and completely bullied into submission with true terrorizing. So that's not a democracy.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Und es scheint keine funktionierende andere Seite dazu zu sein, obwohl es scheint, dass es viele von uns da draußen gibt. Ich denke, mein Angst ist, dass das kulturelle Momentum, das um die Effizienz der Propaganda durch Technologie und auch Komödie herumkommt, seltsam ist, die Kultur zu einer mehr faschistischen Methode schifft.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, him directly, but also the weird thing about the free speech anti-woke business. A Weakness. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ja, absolut. Und ohne Empathie, ohne irgendeinen Versuch, auf irgendeinem Niveau zu verbinden. Empathie ist raus.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, yeah, well, woke culture is basically social democracy. I mean, that's what it is. You know, the language of equality, of big tent around marginalized people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, and just evolving your language and your behavior out of respect for your fellow citizens who might be different than you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I was a bit surprised at the Hell Hitlers by the richest man in the world. That was not a great feeling, I don't think, for anybody. That the partnership of the bombastic greed demon and the richest guy in the world... Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 She opened for me. Where did I work with her? I guess we worked together at Largo. She's from Canada originally. She's very funny.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, I don't know if that's specifically true, only in the sense that if your heart's in the right place and you're dirty, you're still not... To fight for a point of view... Das ist spezifisch, um dich zu ermöglichen, auf vulnerable Menschen zu minimieren oder zu drücken. Ich meine, das ist anders als nur schmutzig zu sein oder darüber zu sprechen.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ich meine, du bist nicht da, weißt du, das N-Wort zu sagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ja, manchmal. Viele Leute machen Lachen, als wären sie eine Art Pundit.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Aber auch, wenn dein Herz in dem richtigen Ort ist, gibt es eine Balance dazu. Und wenn du bestimmte Risiken als Stand-up in dem, was du sagst, nimmst, kannst du dich überlegen. Und hoffentlich ist das, was du versuchst, zu erläutern, etwas Gutes. Ja. Nicht dreckig. Ja. Ja, also ich denke nicht unbedingt, dass das progressiv sein muss oder so. Es ist einfach so, dass es eine Freiheit gibt.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Jeder kann immer sagen, was er will. Und man sollte nicht sagen können, was man will. Aber es gibt einen Weg, den Publikum breit zu machen, und man kann immer noch Risiken nehmen. Ja. Weil wenn du nur ein Anti-Woke-Hack bist, dann spielst du nur für diese Welt.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, but you're pushing them because it's tantalizing and you can find an edge to it. You're not pushing buttons to the point where you're making people cry.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And sometimes if people are easily triggered for whatever reason, they can just leave.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So when you started working in, so you were headlining by the time you left?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And who were the other comics who liked making the rounds?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Who are some of the old guys that you liked?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I remember when he wasn't an old guy. Oh, really? He's a little younger than me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No, but there were some guys, I like Mike Wilmont.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ja. Ja. Tim Nutt, ich erinnere mich an ihn. Du gehst nach Kanada und denkst dir, diese Leute bleiben einfach hier?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So you can just jump back and forth between which politics you talk about?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No, but I mean like, you know, you probably have a specific, you know, 10 minutes or 15 minutes about Canadian politics.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, Canadian comic. How's he doing over here?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Do you take him out and have him open for you?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And then all the sex talk, they can now put a face to it.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
It's nice when you're both comics, because over my life, you know, I've done jokes about sex and I've had girlfriends or wives be like, you know, that one's a little personal. Oh, really? Not a lot.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
It depends. Sometimes I'll just, you know, I'll do the joke and I'll tell the audience, you can't say anything about that joke.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Aber jetzt hast du ein Adendum dazu gelegt?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So they don't understand that there's no tension.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
How are they just able to deal with that? So now, what's with the writing gigs?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Oh, who did I work with over there? I like that guy. Ismael.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Because I'd seen him once or twice at the Comedy Store, but when I did my appearance on there, I told Taylor to put me on again. She didn't seem to believe that I really wanted to, I don't think.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No, I mean, I like doing it. I like that she uses all generations of comics.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So I'll... I'm just talking generally speaking as a monologue writer.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
She's currently touring. And yeah, that's going to happen. And she's fun. I put some walnuts out for the squirrel. So we'll see what happens with that. I did it before. But anyway, just kind of watching the fires in the real world here and in the political world there. Yeah. I do wish, though, on some level, that people were as focused and full of intent and fury as firefighters are.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Your job is to generate jokes for her monologue. Yes, yes, totally. Based on, you know, however she talks and what she likes to talk about and whatever kind of things are happening in social media or news or whatever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
That was my question. I used to see monologue writers and then you have your own act.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Genau, und du schreibst auch für jemand anderes.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Wie fühlen deine Leute dich über deinen Erfolg oder deine Leben?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Waren sie allmählich unterstützend? Ja, aber sehr unterstützend. Und dein Vater mag dein Akt?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Also er mag es, wenn du es an die Ecke nimmst?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Also was denkst du, jetzt, dass du bei WME bist, was ist der große Ziel?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah. How would you do it? Would you do it YouTube or you want to get...
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No, I'm just, I have, yeah, Instagram and TikTok. And like I have people just posting old clips and stuff. Sometimes I'll do a new one. I just, I really don't want to have to care. And I think I'm actually getting to the age where I might not have to.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Have you found that it's made a difference for you?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
It's just something you have to do sometimes to manage a situation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, so why do you think it's bad for stand-up?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Even my guy, when he clips up stuff, tightens things up, bits to put on clips.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, but do you think it's ruining it?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So it's creating this weird Clip culture. And then also it doesn't seem... And I never know if I'm an old guy, but it seems like I am. But I mean that there is a building process. And a lot of these young comics, they're just dumping shit out in their first year.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I wonder how they do, generally speaking, you know.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ja, weil alles hier kurz ist. Ich weiß, Ali kommt mit mir und ich bleibe da für eine Stunde und eine halbe.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Auf und runter. Es ist ein voller Arsch. Viele Arsche. Ich weiß nicht, was ich tue. Es ist einfach lustig, wenn du anfängst, Material zu arbeiten, du bekommst eine Stunde, weil du mehr als das bekommst. Das ist das Beste, was möglich ist. Du musst es runterdrehen. Aber ich war nervös, weil ich Arbeiten gemacht habe und in Vancouver war. Ich konnte nicht viel Stand-Up machen.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Und meine Stunde, die ich vor der Arbeit gemacht habe, war für ein bisschen auf der Schale. Also fühlte ich eine seltsame, schweigende Selbstvertrauen. Und zu einem bestimmten Punkt, ich habe das schon 40 Jahre gemacht, denke ich mir, was ist das denn für eine Sache?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I talked about this the last show. It's a miracle. Thank God that they exist. People that love fighting fires. Real ones. I wish half of us could find that passion for fighting metaphorical fires that are just burning down our social fabric and our political reality. But no, man, I don't know. What do I do? I just watched 12, 14, you know, IG posts about this and everybody seems sad. What do I do?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, you got to keep that relationship with an audience in place.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, it came right back. Yeah. Because I was in crisis. Yeah. So when I got up there on Friday, I just talked about evacuating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, it was... I hadn't done like an hour at a theater in a while. Probably since... Well, I've done some Largo stuff, but not since, like, I did the Vogue in Vancouver.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah. Working stuff out. Yeah. And then I just start to lose everything, because I don't listen to my fucking tapes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I record everything, and then... Yeah, but do you do, like, most of the stuff happens in real time.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And what sticks is just stuff that I remember or that I'm kind of passionate about. But I think I've lost a lot of stuff. I should go back over it. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, there's just these little bits and pieces, these little moments that I think I just lose. How's your act now, right now?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ja. Warum? Weil es einfach alt ist? Oder es ist einfach?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I know I have a bit that I know can't lose and then I get bored with them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I know that's the other thing. That was part of what was compounding the insecurity.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Is that like if you're not going on stage constantly and stepping out out there and doing it. But that was what was good about Friday, because I just I just riffed the first half hour.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
No, it's unique. I mean, like either you're a yapper or you're a joker. And I'm not... And I'm like, you know, every time like somehow or another I happen upon like a very, you know, kind of standard joke structure joke, I get bored with it immediately.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ich wundere mich, habe ich das noch auf einem Special gemacht? Das ist das, wo du weißt, dass du einen Katzen aus einem teuren Sprecher holst und du fühlst dich im Gewicht, als würdest du ihn drücken. Aber dann drückst du es wirklich hart und es ist wie, und du denkst dir, ja, geh dich in den Arsch. Ja. Yeah, the cat jokes, people love them.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I got a new cat joke that just kills harder than anything. And it's such a simple observation. It's almost annoying. And it makes me think like, why can't I just do easier shit?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Ja, ich habe immer so gewesen, wo du sie kriegst und dann drückst du sie. Ich habe früher darüber geredet, was ich mit Audienzen mache. Ich drücke dich ein, dann drückst du dich weg, dann drückst du dich ein, dann drückst du dich weg. Das ist ein kleiner Dynamik, den ich Vater nenne. And I'll throw that in there. It's a little crowdy. That's like a little line that I use. But no, I do that too.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, but sometimes those things are, you know they're challenging. It's like you said about, you know, the freedom of thought and speech with stand-up. Is that, you know, you're taking a risk. And you know that some jokes that you're doing are specifically challenging. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I guess I could, you know what I'll do? I'll post one of my own. That ought to do it. It won't. Anyway, cats are good. Cats are good. And I've learned that chickpeas and lentils are the way to go. These are the things that are happening. I cleaned out my office, getting rid of a lot of books, shredded a lot of papers.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I don't know if I believe the love. I don't know if I was ever gunning for the love. I think I was gunning for my own space.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, and I think that over time, when I start to know my audience, I start to resent them a little. Sort of like, alright, you like me now? How about now?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
You've seen the real me. Now what are you going to do? I don't think it's a great thing.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, I mean, I don't know how else to identify it. Usually when the jokes are off-putting, I'm trying to work something out. Do you know what I mean?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Yeah, like the other night I tried to... Ja. Ja. Ja. ist, dass du all diese Bilder von den 30ern und 40ern von öffentlichen Linschungen aus dem Süden siehst. Und es sieht so aus, als ob die ganze Stadt rausgekommen wäre. Und sie sind Arm in Arm, wie ein Date-Night.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Aber ich weiß, was du tust. Ich verstehe, was du meinst. Der Punkt ist, dass das nicht so weit entfernt ist. Das war wie, was tun wir heute? Na, es wird...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
That's another way to do it. There's this reality show of just them going into illegal immigrants' homes and putting them on... in Vans.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
But we're dumb in that now that a lot of people want that violence enabled by a leader that will unleash them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
There you go. There you go. That was Sophie Buttle. Great, right? Sweet. Funny. But got a bit of an edge to her. Yeah. You can get her tour dates at sophiebuttlecomedy.com or on her Instagram page. Hang out for a second, folks.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
and had some Indian food, read an article on chickpeas and lentils, which I eat constantly, chickpeas, because I was wondering what was making my guts better. I thought it was the magnesium, potassium, aspartate. But no, I think it's the chickpeas and pickled stuff. Yeah, so maybe you should think a little bit about that. Chickpeas, pickled stuff, kitty cats.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Hey, for full Marin listeners, we've got another collection of outtakes from recent episodes of WTF. We posted those on Tuesday, just like we do every month. Everything is so fragmented. Everything is so divided. Who are you playing to? What difference does it make? Who are you if you're not trying to do crowd work videos? And I'm not complaining. Look, man, I am not begrudging any comic really.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I mean, I think what I think. It's old school stuff. Ich habe einen Argument mit einem Mann über das hier. It's just the kind of, hey man, everyone's people, level playing field argument. It's just another form. But, you know, there has to be criterion through which we judge things. And maybe I'm an idiot for thinking that stand-up isn't necessarily always about laughs.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
God knows it's kept me sort of locked in as this weird boutique comic. I have my lane, you know, but it's not a lane that's backed up because of arena traffic, but whatever. Whatever. I just can't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I mean, the way I look at crowd work comedy specifically, especially in the marketplace we're in, it's just sort of like personal one on one customer engagement to maximize your job performance in hopes that you can be employee of the hour on the Internet and then get up and do it again. Fuck it. Boomer lives, Monkey and La Fonda, Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
The hell soup. I think it's funny when these trolls, it's all about trolls. They're all trolling. It's all constant. They love to get us worked up and then call us crazy. You're not crazy.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
You're not crazy if you're able to experience empathy, concern, the desire for the well-being of your fellow Americans in a way that they can live their life the way they want to live it without being terrified of being brutalized mentally, spiritually or psychologically. You're not crazy. I mean, I think you should be angry. I think anger would be good.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
But you know, if you don't temper it a little bit, they're just going to call you crazy. Oh, look at them flying off the handle. Look at the meltdown. They're all melting down. No, no, no one's melting down. It's the reasonable reaction to fascism. If you aren't on board, the reasonable reaction is fuck this shit. God damn it. Now what do we do? How do we fight this shit? These fuckers.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
They've dehumanized everybody other than them with all types of devices that keep happening, whether it's conspiracy theories or just name-calling or now legislation. Dehumanizing, not a great first step towards anything other than getting rid of the dehuman. But again... Ice cream is good. Watch an old movie. You know what I mean? We're not crazy. And you should try to stay that way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
A lot of people are going down. A lot of people are losing their minds. Can't say that I won't. Don't know. A lot of people are taking their own life. A lot of people are unable to get out of a chair.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
A lot of people can't stop looking at their phone and allowing it to beat the shit out of their brain because of, I don't think it's a need to be afraid, but if you are wired a certain way, there's a certain way of being where you always thought you were a little fucked and now you're way fucked along with a lot of other people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. Here we go. How's everything out there? How are you doing? How are you handling it? Are you okay? Are you paralyzed? Are you despondent on your couch, at your desk? Are you despondent at the gym?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
But if you can try to temper that shit... I know, you don't want to feel out of the loop. I'm having a hard time not seeing where that fire is. There are so many fires just popping up. I can't even... It's hard to frame it. Because it is utterly apocalyptic. And it's hard to not think that this is it. The world is going. I really didn't think I'd be alive for this shit. Glad I don't have kids.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
A little worried about my cats. But... Yeah, I'm gonna go do some comedy tonight. I got the tour coming up. I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. Then I'm in San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. Golden State Theater. Untertitelung aufgrund der Audioqualität nicht möglich. I'm sorry, I'm only doing one show.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Should I do another show? I don't know. Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater on Friday, February 21st. Not sold out. Come on down. What happened to you people in Nashville? Don't tell me. I know. And Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House on Sunday, February 22nd. Those should be big shows for me down in those states.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Then in March and April I'll be coming to Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois, Michigan. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. New dates will be showing up soon. That's quite a few red states there. But you know, I know you guys are there. The huddled masses.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Keep them quiet, waiting for something to happen that you can relate to that will reconnect you with the sort of empathetic or at least connective laughter that you need in moments to somehow feel better in this shitstorm. of ideology and weather. Hope you have good friends. Hope you find some way to be proactive. But this is going to go on for a while and I can't do these pep talks all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
As I said, chickpeas are good. Watching a movie is nice. Eating ice cream. Spending time with people you love. But don't just do it in just a state of panic. Unless you have to evacuate. Looks like Mark Normand had a baby. Congratulations. I don't follow. I have a very weird follow list on Instagram. I saw that Mark had a baby. Okay, so here we go. Sophie Buttle is here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Her 2025 tour dates are posted on her Instagram page and at sophiebuttlecomedy.com. I like her. She's funny. And we had a nice chat during the fires. So this is me talking to Sophie.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
So in moments of of crisis you just get sad and
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
Well, I mean, yeah, but in relation to this, I mean, where do you live?
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I saw that from my hotel room where I evacuated for safety.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
I know, but I was like, I left here in order to avoid whatever I thought was coming. And I got a hotel at that Hampton Inn on Vine, just up from Santa Monica.
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Episode 1611 - Sophie Buddle
And I got the cat settled and I was like, all right, I'll be okay here tonight. And I'm looking out my window and I saw the hillside explode. Exploded.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Ich liebe das Buch. Von hier in Los Angeles. Ich sage immer, es ist 100 Tage über Saxophon und Jazz und 300 Tage über Heroin in der Gefängnis. Oh, Mann. Ja.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Dein Buch erinnert mich viel daran, weil Bob ein Typ ist, in dem die Zeit durch ihn fliegt. Was hieß seine Autobiografie? Chronicles. Part 1. Ja, Part 1. Es ist ein poetischer, historischer Teil. Du sprichst von der Szene bei Bleeker und McDougall, während dieser Store in Chronicles stark spielt. Es ist wie ein Geschichtebuch in Bezug auf diese Zeiten.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I mean, when Freeze Frame came out, oh man, in the early stuff, nothing, like the Jay Giles Band. They're the fucking Jay Giles Band, but this is Peter Wolf. He's of that band, but he's so much more. He wrote this book. called Waiting on the Moon. Now, this thing is kind of great because it is a memoir to a degree, but it's really a bunch of essays about the people he's met in his life.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Es geht nicht mehr um seine Musik, außer um das lange Kapitel über die mystische Dreiviertel- oder Viertelprogression, die er herausgefunden hat. Richtig, richtig, richtig.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Aber das Wichtigste daran ist, ich meine, ich denke, es sollte als Buch durchgehend gelesen werden. Ich hoffe es, ja. Aber was mir interessant ist, ist, dass diese Fortschritte, aber sie sind keine Fortschritte, nur in dem Sinne, dass wenn du dich zurückblickst, hast du so viele interessante Leute kennengelernt, von so vielen verschiedenen Weisen kreativer Leben, aber die Kontinente ist du.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Und es ist einfach eine interessante Lebensweise außerhalb von dem, was die J. Giles Band war oder ist oder was es zu jemandem bedeutet, ist, dass ich am Morgen dachte, dass seine volle Lebensweise nur 20% J. Giles ist.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Aber ich spreche von dir als kreativer Person, der du warst, die von diesen Erfahrungen informiert wurde, die reich und unterschiedlich sind. Und niemand würde das je wissen. Wenn du dieses Buch nicht geschrieben hättest, und wenn du es lesen würdest, kannst du sehen, wie all diese Dinge dich und deine Vision entdeckt haben und was die Musik war an einem Punkt.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Die Musik, die du liebst, die Musik, die du ursprünglich gespielt hast, die Musik, die du durch dein Leben gespielt hast.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Some people who you know, there's, you know, connections there, like when he was in Cambridge. It's just, he's one of these guys that's kind of like, almost like a zealig.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Du hast Faye erwähnt und die Poesie von Romanz. Es ist kein Kiss-and-Tell-Buch, aber du sprichst davon, wie und warum du mit ihr verliebt wurdest.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
in terms of where he was at certain times, before he was in Giles, and the relationships he had with Muddy Waters, and some relationship he had with Van Morrison, before Van Morrison was big, John Lee Hooker, intellectuals in the Harvard Square area, and then on throughout his life, just all these different encounters with people. And it was kind of a fascinating...
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
We talked to Keith and it's Keith's band, but yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Das Buch hat mir in den Kopf geblieben, weil ich die Steine mein ganzes Leben liebte. Und du liest das Buch und denkst dir, oh mein Gott, es gibt so viel mehr zu diesem Mann, als wir uns jemals vorgestellt haben.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Faszinierende kleine Momente und Fotos von sich selbst und seinen Beziehungen, auch wenn sie in der Vergangenheit mit diesen Leuten sind, die wir alle kennen. Ich weiß, dass ich alt werde, um zu sagen, dass wir alle sie kennen, aber ich weiß es nicht. Die meisten der Referenzen, die ich habe, waren von einer Generation vor mir. Aber es ist egal.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Ja, das ist der Doppel-Eyed-Schwert mit den Keyboard-Spielern. Denn man kann im Endeffekt Lieder machen, die eine ganze Band machen kann.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Was mich auch fasziniert, war, dass es zu Beginn war, Ich meine, du beginnst diesen Buch mit fast einer fantastischen Kindesgeschichte, die den Ton für das ganze Ding setzt. Du merkst im Hinterkopf, dass du durch Zufall in den Filmen mit deiner Mutter, glaube ich, Und es gab ein Familienverlust. Deine Schwester war krank.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Und dann, wer weiß warum, aber nachdem der Film beginnt, sneken Marilyn Monroe und Arthur Miller rein. Und du endest bei Marilyn Monroe. Und das wird der Portal und der Template des ganzen Buches.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Es ist nicht unvergesslich, dass das so war, aber in deinem Leben, wegen deiner Interessen in Musik und Kunst und so weiter, kamst du in Kontakt und hattest Erfahrungen mit diesen phänomenalen Menschen aller Art. Und ich denke, es ist sehr interessant, dass es mit Maryland beginnt und du warst, wie, zehn?
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Es war ein bisschen interessant und lustig, Peter zu sprechen. Also passiert das. Ich möchte Ihnen sagen, dass die Dokumentation If you don't get enough of me here. The documentary Are We Good is screening at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York City next month. There are two screenings, Saturday, June 14th at 5 p.m. That's at the OKX Theater on Chamber Street.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Then Sunday, June 15th at 5.30 p.m. It's screening at the Village East on 2nd Avenue and 12th Street. You can go to wtfpod.com slash tour. There is a ticket link there, so you can knock that out. Come, come. I know some of you just saw me perform. Come know more about me than you ever need to know. And see a lot of my, you know, there's a lot of shots of the cats.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
That's what I mean. That's what I was trying to say. It's just by coincidental circumstance.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
No, I know, but it's crazy, because they weren't famous. Ich hatte keine Ahnung, dass du dein eigenes kreatives Landschaftsbild wandern wolltest und ein Painter werden wolltest.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
A lot of shots of me pulling my pants up. That seems to be what my life is about. Pulling my pants up and talking to my cats. And doing stand-up comedy and talking to you people. So the cats, I don't want to leave anybody hanging. I know there's a narrative here about Charlie's issues and Buster. Well, here's what's going on.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Aber auch, als du nach Boston kamst, Denn die Gallus-Band war eine Blues-Band, eine R'n'B-Band, sie waren eine Rock'n'Roll-Band, aber es war sehr spezifisch, was die Wurzeln des Geräusches waren. Und, you know, again, the coincidence of you being in Boston
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
You know, around Harvard, you know, you were living your somewhat transient life that, you know, coming into contact, because I know like there was a group of guys, the three of them, you know, Fahy and there was a couple other ones at Harvard who were digging up a lot of these blues guys. Die hatten Zeit verloren.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Und ich dachte, was ist mit diesen Leuten passiert? Und sie fanden nicht Son House. Sie fanden Skip James. Aber du warst dort und von dem Zeitpunkt an... Ich glaube nicht, dass die Leute es vollständig erkannt haben, dass diese Rekorde fast Raritäten waren. Dass du sie wirklich auswählen musste. Oh ja. An einem bestimmten Zeitpunkt.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Und dass diese Blues-Revival... Ich meine, du kennst die Blues-Revival in England und so. Aber der Fakt, dass du dort warst und es war der Zeitpunkt, in der Mitte und am Ende der Folk-Szene, dass sie Leute wie Muddy und John Lee Hooker verabschiedet haben.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Und du konntest all diese Leute sehen, aber du konntest diese Interaktionen mit ihnen haben und Beziehungen mit ihnen bauen, bevor du wirklich eine Band warst.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Since I've been home very consistently for a few weeks now, the hierarchy seems to have leveled off. You know, the king is back and people are behaving appropriately. There's a little, you know, Charlie's excitable, but he's not being hostile. You know, he's punching Sammy a bit and he's playing with him and he's punching a buster just a little bit. Everything seems to have leveled off.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
They're sweeping, they're sweeping on my bed. Everything is okay. It's okay. I was the missing piece. It was my absence that was causing the power vacuum. And now the power is back, baby. And everybody falls in line. Though Charlie is still very erratic.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Ja, aber ich glaube, er hat den Charme-Trick von Jack bekommen.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Es war lustig, als du zu ihm ausgesprochen hast, dass du ein Schauspieler bist, hat er gesagt, ich mag Schauspieler.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I have, I don't know if you know this, but I have those things that you can, I don't know if they're drying racks, but you can unroll them on top of the sink. It's like a rubber grating. And I have them over all the sinks in the kitchen because Charlie, given the opportunity, will pee in the sink. And it happens pretty quickly. I turned my back.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Es ist nur so lustig, weil es so eine Art ist, dass du Bob beobachtest oder ihn Wein trinkst. Und jetzt, wie in der Art deines erneuernden Freundes mit ihm in den Jahren, erinnert er sich an diese Dinge? Ich weiß nicht. Ich war nicht wiss genug.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I was washing some stuff and I unrolled or I'd rolled up one of the little rubber grates. And within seconds, Charlie was just peeing in the sink, just sitting there looking at me, peeing in the sink directly into the drain. So what was I going to do? I let him finish and then I washed it down. But yeah, so Charlie, you know, he's a surprising cat. But that wasn't so surprising.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Er hat das später auch gemacht. Rosen hatte diese interessanten Covers für World Gone Wrong gemacht. Diese Cover-Rekorde waren, als er älter war, ziemlich interessant.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Du hattest die gleiche Sensibilität wie John Lee Hooker. Oh Gott. Und zu Muddy. Und als wir hier angefangen haben, war es für mich faszinierend, dass du in beiden Fällen, es scheint, mit Muddy und John Lee Hooker, zu sehen warst. Und du hast ihnen Hilfe geboten und du hast mit diesen Leuten lebendige Freundschaften entwickelt.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
It's just I turned away for a second. And he's peeing in the sink. Worst things could be happening. Another little bit of information I got. You know, I don't know how many of you... Sammy, I don't know what to do with. Sammy, I'm going to bring to the vet because he needs a yearly checkup. But I just... Occasionally he shows affection and he's very awkward with it.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
And he'll lay on my lap in a very seemingly awkward way. Doesn't like to be pet much. But you just... With that kind of cat, you just kind of wait around for it to happen. And you go like, oh, look at you. Buster is my guy. Okay.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
And I don't know how many of you have been with me for a long, long time, but when Buster was, I think, less than a year old, he ate some plants that had pollen on it from lilies and he went into renal failure and I saved him. But it was always a question as to whether or not he'd get that function back. After ultrasounds, after the...
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Last time I saw him. He died not too long after that. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'll tell you, man, I mean, throughout the book, you know, the whole, your part in, you know, kind of Van Morrison's career, it's kind of fascinating. And then, you know, you're figuring out your own thing. You know, there's bits in there, you know, Robert Lowell, Martin Scorsese.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I mean, the range of people you encountered, Andy Warhol, that guy, Ed Hood, seems like an amazing story.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
All through it, you don't want to put it down. If you're into the history of arts and culture, the story about Coltrane playing, that was crazy, man. That loft apartment. And even David Lynch, which I knew nothing about. Diese Geschichte ist sehr schön. Danke. Wie hast du ihn getroffen? War das nur eine Überraschung?
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
After he recovered, one kidney was small and one kidney was big. And I always assumed that one kidney wasn't working. But then as time went by, it's been eight or nine years here, his numbers have been okay. But the vet said, why don't we just take a look at those kidneys again? or I get some updated information. So I brought him in for an ultrasound.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Ja, das war die Halluzination. Ja, es ist eine tolle Geschichte. Es gibt so viele tolle Geschichten. Und ich liebe all das John Lee Hooker-Stuff, weil dieser Kerl war großartig. Und er war ein anderer Kerl, mit dem du eine lebendige Beziehung gebaut hast.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
And still, one kidney is abnormally small and the other kidney is large. And the assumption is that the small one is dead and the big one is doing the work of two. So I think I know that now. We're fairly conclusive that my cat buster is kind of churning away on one kidney. But he's having a good life and will just keep going until it starts to buckle. And then we'll take steps to help them out.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I guess we should wrap it up. I felt that Nach den Hits, die Jay Giles hatte, dass mit, weil, du weißt, Freeze Frame. Das Rekord poppt so fucking hart, Mann.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
But yeah, man. Cats. Am I right? It's nice to be home. Folks, summer is around the corner. That means spending more time out of your home, which means you should be protecting your place with home security. That's why we recommend SimpliSafe. With traditional security systems, police get called only after someone has already broken in.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Oh, good. Yeah, because I love that story. There's so many good stories. Obviously, we can't tell all of them. It'd be the whole book. But it was great. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed talking to you. Thanks for coming by. Ja, da ist der DJ. There you go, Peter Wolf. Kind of guy that we could keep talking for a very long time. But I would read the book. It's called Waiting on the Moon.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
It's available now. Alright, hang out for a minute, folks.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Hey people, there's more music on the full Marin this week. We've got another live music mixtape featuring performances here in the garage and the old garage by guests like Lucinda Williams, Tenacious D, Jay Maskis and John Doe from X. You are the hole in my head I am
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
simplisafe.com slash WTF. There's no safe like SimpliSafe. I bit my fucking lip in the same place three times. There's like nothing more immediately fucking aggravating than biting your lip again in the same place. God damn it. Anyway, look you guys. So I got an interesting email. I want to know if this is a Canadian thing or this guy, like this is one of the great emails.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
The subject line, as some of you recall, if you've been following along, I left my laptop at border control in Toronto at TSA. And I talked about how quickly I got it back. And it was great. I'm glad I have it, because I was ready to ditch it, just get a new one, dump everything I could down from the cloud. But I have it. I have it back.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
And now the pressing nature of getting a new computer has been lifted. I could probably use a new one, but I don't use it for that much. It doesn't matter. So I get an email, subject line, story about lost laptop at airport security in Toronto. Just heard Mark's story on today's podcast about leaving his laptop at airport security in Toronto. Please apologize to him from me.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, Nicks? How's it going? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. What is going on? What is going on with you? Seriously? I mean, what is going on with you? Just tell me. Or just at least tell yourself. Do us all a favor. I'm sorry. What are you just exercising? How are you?
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I recognized Mark in line at security on Sunday and briefly told him a story about how I got scammed on SeatGeek and was not able to use tickets I bought to his show in Toronto on Saturday night the night before. He was very kind during our brief interaction. But obviously I inadvertently distracted him and he left his laptop on the security conveyor belt.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I'm so sorry for any inconvenience I might have caused him. Please do pass my apologies along to him and tell him to come back to Toronto soon, Chad. Chad, Buddy, Buddy, I didn't even think of that. And I don't I don't want you to carry it, man. You really got to let this go. I don't know if this is politeness or, you know, if it's I don't know. Is it a Canadian thing?
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Tell me, does that sound like a Canadian email to carry that way? Chad, I'll be honest with you. I really think what happened was generally because I have TSA pre. Precheck and they never make me take my computer out, but they make everyone take their computer out at security in Toronto. I guess it's an international thing.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
So I really think it was just I become quite accustomed to just taking to not to not taking my computer out and I spaced it. But now that you've mentioned it, yeah, maybe, okay, you know what, maybe it was your fault. I don't want to blame myself at all. So, Chad, thank you for apologizing. I appreciate that.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
I can let it go now, because really, I wasn't mad at you up until I read the email, and then I realized, well, if this guy wants to carry the load, and I don't have to blame myself, I'll blame Chad, and he just apologized. So, thank you, Chad. And now the burden is lifted from everybody. Bottom line is, though, I got it back. We can let all of it go. Chad, you and me. Together. Okay? We're good.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Alright, look. Peter Wolf is really a legend. And It was kind of interesting to talk to him because I don't think Jay Giles gets the respect they deserve, quite honestly, number one. And number two, as I said earlier, I was kind of blown away by his book and the fact that it's really not about Jay Giles. It's really about a lot of interesting people.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
mit dem Peter über die Jahre in Kontakt gekommen ist. Es heißt Waiting on the Moon, Artists, Poets, Drifters, Grifters und Göttinnen. Es ist jetzt vorhanden, wo auch immer du Bücher bekommst. Und es gibt alle Art von Geschichten über alle Art von Menschen da drin. Und es ist sehr enttäuschend. Und das ist ich, äh, mit Peter darüber zu sprechen, über das und Sachen und Dinge.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Das Interessante an dem Buch ist, dass es nicht chronologisch ist. Du gehst, weißt du was ich meine? Du gehst hin, hin, hin, hin. Und was noch interessanter ist, ist, dass... Es geht nicht unbedingt um die Band.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Is everything alright? I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. A lot of different angles on that one. Today on the show, the magnificent Peter Wolff is here. I didn't know what to expect. Peter Wolff, the singer and songwriter and former frontman of the Jay Giles Band. There was a couple of Giles records that I listened to the fuck out of.
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Episode 1645 - Peter Wolf
Es gibt kein Kissing und Telling. Und dann hatten wir ein paar Cocktails.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, I mean, I think that in our business, too... You know, you don't always get an opportunity to stay close with people, but the work is so intense. Yeah. But she was like, you know, I don't know. It was so much to get through, and it never goes away. And they're kind of doing, some guy's doing a doc about me, and he's like asking for all this stuff.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
of us, the little things I have, and then just having to see her. I don't know where you go with a conversation like this, aside from we're going to be like, I don't know. But I think that it seems that the work you did with her, with the first one was your sister's sister, and I think you were kind of playing the her part.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
In your sister's sister. In the second one, Touchy Feely.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, that was the way she worked, right? It was like improv, like guided improv.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
No. I mean, she so deeply cared about actors. It was her whole thing. You know, she'd just sit there and... I don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry. No, no. I did it. I did it. But, like, you know, for her... It just seemed like the actors and whatever happened between the actors was paramount. There wasn't, you know, it wasn't about, like, the set, really.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It was really about, like, and she just knew when you hit that place.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And it was kind of always a relatively quiet place and an underacted place. Yeah. And you didn't, like, because, you know, we were together, but, like, when she'd give me direction, because we were together, I'd be like, no, fuck that. And like I'd turn into a child. Yeah. And then eventually I'd kind of relent and then do it the way she wanted. And she'd go like, it's better, right? I'm like, no.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
She also worked with my late partner, Lynn Shelton, on the movies Your Sister, Sister and Touchy Feely, as well as the series Little Fires Everywhere. So we begin this conversation with a bit of grief. And I tell you, man, it's interesting how that stuff works, how you can draw right back in. It's just like a sort of ongoing stream of sadness and loss that exists.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I don't know. It's also tragic. We don't need to keep talking about death.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
We're just, that's just... It just starts. And it kind of comes in waves. I have big theories about it.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Like there's these chunks of time where if you live through them, you're good.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But then there's these other chunks of time where it seems like people go in these few years. And then if you can get past those, you're good.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, how'd he go? I mean, was he all there? He was. Well, that's great.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Oh, my God. You grew up with a Marine? Yeah, like the great Santini. No, not that bad.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
How many did, how many siblings do you have with him?
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Oh my God. Yeah. And do you have a relationship with all those other ones?
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But so how Catholic did you grow up? Catholic. And your mom is not Irish. Yeah, no, she is too.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You know, but they were Catholic. So what do they have to confess?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. Like you're just screwed basically. That's the trick.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. So you're just, you're born flawed and you stay flawed.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It is because we just have to live with it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You just have to integrate it into your personality. Yeah. It's a constant reality check. Yeah. Ongoing shame about everything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
What is it about that, though? Because I have it, too, and I'm not saying I'm a saint, but there is a point where you're like, why do I keep doing this to myself? And then some part of you is like, well, this must be your comfort zone.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And I don't I'm very kind of I'm not baffled by it. And I'm happy it's still there. In me, obviously, but last week or two, I've told stories that involved her, and it just comes right up. It comes right up from the guts through my heart into my throat and into my eyes and into my mind. But I don't have to stay there, but it comes. So there's a little of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
We need to take that piece of the mic away from him. Or just talk to more other people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Get out of yourself. Yeah. But wait, so is it true? Like, you know, I'm not a big research guy, but you're the granddaughter of that boxer?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Was his name Braddock? Yeah, James J. Braddock. And that's what they made the movie of? Yeah. Cinderella Man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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But did you know this all growing up? Yeah. You did?
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Because you have a part in the movie a bit. Mm-hmm. And so was he alive when the movie came out? No. He died when I was four years old. Do you remember him?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah, yeah, right. You know. But it was to your dad. Oh, to my dad. He probably knew that when he married her because he knew the old man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And so he was in your grandfather was in his life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So one of his heroes. Yeah. He's marrying one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Did you ever think like, is this the reason why you married me?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So when you're growing up, I mean, all these other siblings, are they just in another place?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But your parents didn't get divorced, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So as a parenting style, I mean, how do you kind of delegate? How do you figure out what your boundaries are? Did you read books?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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So if I guess this is kind of a trigger warning, if you don't want to experience maybe a hint of deep feelings of loss, maybe check out now or maybe come on board. Join the human race, you fuckers. Another thing I want to throw out there, my old buddy Greg Proops has a new stand-up album out. It's called Purple Shasta Raccoon, and it's out now from a Special Things Records.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
No, there's always pressure because you've got to do the whole, like, segment producer. What do you got? Yeah. Are there stories you like to tell? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And then you got to, then Seth will step in and save you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You're working with an actual special needs kid who's nonverbal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It's so amazing how reliably horrible people are.
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You know, I never understand it, that the instinct, even as a child, is to, you know, kind of bully the less, the weaker people. The vulnerable person. Yeah, the vulnerable, yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It's like, yeah, but it's also I automatically think really politics is already a thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So that might have something to do with it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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So when you're as an actor in a movie like this and as a mother, so this, I imagine that the emotions are sort of all in place already to be open, but like the experience of what it requires to be You have that kind of situation. You've got to be living it when you're doing it.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Greg recorded this at the Punchline in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Man, that's our old stomping grounds, me and Greggies. You can get it at astrecords.com or stream it on your preferred music app. Greg Proops. He's the guy. What's the moment with Proops that stands out in the life lessons? Oh, yes, I remember. I've told the story before. I probably told it to him.
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What's he getting the big autograph attention for?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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Honestly, I think, like, prime Ron is Adaptation.
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That's why it's such a good performance. It's a nice little part, but, like, you know, when you're in show business and you kind of wonder, like, what exactly is wrong with fucking agents? Because part of them, they're all missing the same piece. And you can speak to them as humans and stuff. Yeah. But there is something, some component missing. And he just fucking nailed it. Yeah.
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It's like, well, just write it. I'm sorry. Is it okay being with an actor?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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But that has nothing to do with being an actor?
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It's a sock meditation. You haven't heard of that?
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actor-y things, you know. I don't know. It sounds a little like I've been told recently that I have ADHD.
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I'm just taking it by, you know, listeners.
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And just people I know. I've not gone to a doctor for the diagnosis.
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Or desire to make it about me? Is that all part of the disease?
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Let's go with ADHD. I don't need to do the narcissism thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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I've got to play a narcissist in a movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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Yeah. It's going to be kind of interesting.
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Like, I go through a lot of stuff in my head about roles. You know, I go through a lot of, like, who turned this down to where— Oh, you care? That I got it.
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But, like, my go-to is, like, there's, like, so many other guys who can do this. I mean, what are—
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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I like to erase myself entirely through painful insecurity so I can build up from there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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One morning when we were doing a live 105 Alex Bennett broadcast from Cobb's Comedy Club down in the cannery, it was six in the morning. So why not smoke the pot that Greg has? Greg, the daily smoker. This is before you could get it legally. Greg, who got the best weed down from Humboldt or wherever, hydroponic, super stuffed pot.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, I mean, you act constantly. I don't act constantly.
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And so the life of an actor is not, I never feel like it's quite my life. Right. Even though I've done a lot of it at this point, I still feel like the other thing, this, my comedy, you know, that's who I am. I want to do the acting, and I've done a lot of it at this point, but it still feels like, well, I'm just trying it out.
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Yeah, because you were up there. I think I texted you, or somebody did. I knew you were up there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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Yeah. But I was too busy sitting alone wondering why. You were. Yeah. I was sitting alone in a high rise in Vancouver watching old movies wondering why I was up there.
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I'll tell you something. The one thing that kept me from actually wanting to be an actor was trailer time. I cannot deal with trailer time. Okay. And it just drove me crazy because I can't seem to do anything productive in a trailer. Right. And at some point I find myself going like, what could they be doing? Right. You know, how long does it take? I mean, Jesus.
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And in this last one, they had a Samsung television in the trailer, and I hooked it up to my Netflix and my Prime and everything. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm watching The Godfather. I'm watching Tarantino movies. I'm like, this is fine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, not for that. I mean, it's a supporting role. It's a cakewalk.
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I do the work. I make sure I know the lines and stuff. OK. But also when depending on what the scene is, you kind of know like I got, you know, it's one exchange. I know what's going to happen. OK. And, you know, and I'm going to wait three hours.
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And then I'm going to go out there and try to enjoy what being an actor is like.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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Well, I'm hired to do various degrees of cranky, big hearted dudes. Sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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But the narcissism thing is weird because to play a real self-centered person.
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But one without shame. That's tricky. Because.
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But I wouldn't call him a good-hearted person.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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Yeah, I think so. He's just a little self-absorbed. He's an actor. So he's the actor version.
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And they pretend to be good-hearted until they really have to be. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. So when did you start doing the acting?
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But like, how do you like, and this is like, so you're in, where'd you grow up? New Jersey. New Jersey?
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Back in the day before there were strains and strands, there was only maybe three strains and strands, but he always had the devastating weed. And he's like, you want to smoke? And I'm like, yeah, of course. It's six in the morning. Let's smoke. And I smoked it. And I got very high very quickly. And Greg said to me, I invented you.
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No, I'm genetically Jersey. My dad's from Jersey City.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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You know where Pompton Lakes is? Uh-huh. You do?
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I was excited when people know where Pompton Lakes is.
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They were probably born at the same hospital that my dad was.
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There you go. We're connected. We are. Jersey. Do you like Jersey?
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Right. But Queens is more Jersey. It's a Jerseyer part of New York. Yeah, I guess it is. It's very Jersey. Was it like just a full Irish working class neighborhood?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You know what I mean? Nobody was betting on me to do much. That's one of the greatest weird compliments I've ever heard. I just didn't think he'd be like, in light of being successful, he was like, yeah, I don't know that I thought you would ever make it. Well, and he was really proud, but it was just... I don't know. It's good that he could see it.
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Because no matter how successful I got, you know, if you're not on a TV show or something, like my dad would be like, why don't you talk to, you know, Jerry Seinfeld? He probably knows what to do.
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Is he a golfer? He is a golfer. Do you play golf?
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Because this whole show I do is a golf show, and I don't give a shit.
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And I was like, I don't know if you want me. I can't, I'm not going to be able to play. He's like, yeah, well, you don't have to. Yeah. You're like a retired caddy. I'm like, all right.
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And I don't know what that meant, but it did fuck up my performance that morning. I was just there in a not a vegetative state. I'd say paralyzing, insecure state of existential crisis on stage with an audience of about 20 to 25 at 630 in the morning at Cobb's Comedy Club. I invented you. It's a good thing to say to a guy that's really high and a little shaky. I'm back at Largo here in L.A.
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And then you think a little business to do for yourself when you're doing nothing.
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Yeah, I was with Owen Wilson. It was pretty funny.
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But I remember, like, I get so thrilled when I make acting choices, you know, because there's a lot of... There's a lot of times where I'm just standing watching the golfers because we're working with this kid who, you know, Owen has taken under his wing as an ex-pro. So, like, when I'm just standing there, I'm kind of looking at the, you know, checking out the fairway and looking at the wind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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All right. So what do you do? You go to New York to do the acting?
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With who? Like what? Like what's the scene? What year?
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Yeah. You know, this is, like, the 90s. A lot of scene study.
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You were getting naked. Tell us about the one naked one.
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Everyone who does Off, Off, Off, Off Broadway is like, there's a naked one in there.
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But that must be a pretty good baptism into something, a type of vulnerability that you might not want to do. Yeah. But you do.
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Does it always call for nudity or was it just a weird director?
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I fucking saw it, yeah. Was it great? It's great. Wow. It's fucking insane. I mean, I'm not really a horror guy, but I'm enough of a Cronenberg guy to kind of get where she's coming from, the director.
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You know, once you buy into the conceit, which you do pretty quickly because it's required of you. Yeah. It's pretty, you know, it's like a satire. I mean, it's about something.
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You know, it's about aging. It's about women. It's about how women are seen, how they see themselves.
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And what they'll do in the name of vanity. And it's like crazy. It's crazy.
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Because you watch it for two hours and you're like, there's still like 25 minutes left. And like, what could they fucking even do now? Yeah. And then that third act happens and you're like, oh, my God.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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I think what happens with that, the sadness is like my girlfriend is a horror person.
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And so when the movie kind of finishes up where it finishes, you know, it's kind of mind blowing. But I think it's it's definitely sad. But the nature of monsters is kind of sad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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You know, in the classic sense. Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. And so you get that, but you also get this level of empathy for the experience of women.
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But, like, is it all cultural? I think like I'm pretty vain. Yeah. I'm not going to dye my hair.
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And like I look at myself like when I look at my mirror, I feel fine. But then I see a picture of me. I'm like, oh, fuck, it's happening.
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And I feel like on some level, should I be doing something other than just exercising and everything else? And I don't. I'm not going to get any. You know, I'm relatively comfortable.
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on Friday, December 13th, I believe. That is going to be a music and comedy show. Then starting in January, I'm back on tour. Sacramento, California. I'll be at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. Napa, California at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado at Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th.
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You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, you know, you're casting things that are appropriate for you, and you seem to—like, there seems to be plenty of them in a way.
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Wasn't a good situation, but now you're good. Yeah, I don't know. You know, I'm not freaking out about it, but there does come to a point where you're like, all right, we're closing in.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, you go to Canada and places like even like I was just in New Mexico, a lot of gray hair. Yeah, sure. A lot of women with gray hair. And it's like, that's great. Yeah. Why doesn't everybody do that? But out here, you're like, what's happened to her? She's really slipped off the hook. The slippery slope. You see a woman just walking down the street with gray hair like, wow, I hope she's okay.
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So New York, when do you get your first break?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You were doing plays? Did you do big plays?
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It's good that it was fearlessness and not just the desperation part.
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Oh, yeah, because you got, like, what, three weeks of rehearsal?
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Yeah, I had this dream of maybe doing some theater. Okay. And then, like, you know, there was something that came up, and they're like, yeah, they're going to run it for three weeks in Chicago. And then a month or two, and I'm like, I'm out. I can't. It's not my life.
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Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 18th. Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. And Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, February 1st. Go to WTFpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. A lot of other cities there.
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But I'm in control. You know, I don't have to, I can do whatever I want. Yeah. When you're in a play, you're kind of beholden to the text.
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Yeah. Yeah. In comedy, it's not the same. I don't even know what it would be like to try to memorize a play right now.
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No, I mean, I'm pretty good at it, because I've done it a couple times, but not since college.
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And I did it, but it's a fucker. It's a beast.
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You do it. And if you're confident enough, the audience doesn't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
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So when you did Margaret. That fucking movie. He's like intense, right? He's great. Have you worked with him more than once?
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But when you watch that movie, aren't you like kind of like, oh, my God. Yeah. It's so fucking heavy, right?
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Yeah. What's the heaviest movie you ever did, do you think?
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The South, the East, the Middle. I'm coming to a few places. You might have to travel a bit because I don't do... I stay to the big cities for the most part. Also, this is the final call for Ask Mark Anything questions. Go to the link in the episode description to submit a question for our full Marin bonus episode that will air next week.
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It's a limited series? Mm-hmm. Oh, so you don't have to go back into it.
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Because I think roles can take a toll on people.
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If you keep doing it. Oh, for sure. I mean, I watched that documentary about the Sopranos and Gandolfini having to do that for six seasons.
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Because you find this stuff in yourself that, you know, might be buried for a reason. Yeah. Oh, my God.
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Yeah. Well, let me ask you. So, like, if you've got a big role in a movie, significant role.
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Well, I mean, before I knew what it was about, I was like, well, this is going to be dark. And, you know, I hope it's not too sad. But I'm both of those things. So let's open it up to the first page. And then I read it. But I knew the pitch line of the movie. Which was?
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Which was it's about an actor who was a great actor and had his ups and downs, almost became a movie star, but kind of shit the bed, went through a period where he was just trying to rebuild and get back on top. Then he took a sitcom and he did that for five years. That's what he got known for.
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So he completely sold out his initial, you know, his original dream and talent to do this thing.
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Sure. Yeah. Well, that's what I do. And you try to connect your own experience to that.
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Yeah. So you're doing it. I did all that. But then the catch is that he's diagnosed with stage four colon cancer.
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And he becomes obsessed with the need to be in the In Memoria montage of the Oscars.
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And he doesn't think he has the resume to do it, which he doesn't.
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You know, and his manager's like, well, you're getting the Emmys.
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Yeah. You know, like, so he feels like his legacy, his entire legacy is hinging on being in that montage. And he fucked himself by doing this sitcom. So no one knows him. So he's walking around bringing up movies no one's seen. Yeah, yeah. To people that are younger than him. And they're like, I don't know anything about it. Yeah. And his ex-wife. Oh, it's complicated.
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But, like, the thing that I guess what...
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If they can remember them. Like, this guy kind of burned through it. And I think that there was a point where, you know, he didn't have to think about it every day. But the idea that he's dying, now he's got to justify his existence. Yeah. But I think the bigger question for me was, like, so you know you're dying soon. Yeah. And that's the news you've been delivered.
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What do you do with that as an actor? Because you can't play that in every scene. And it took me until yesterday to realize, like, well, he's going to be avoiding that as much as possible, even when he knows it's happening. Right. He's going to focus on whatever he has to to not live in that. Right.
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And also, by the way, if you're keeping up, I think I bought the wrong vacuum. Yeah, the one I ended up with outside of the broken one and the broom style one out here now, the one that I did buy new, I don't think it was the right one. I think I wanted the animal too, and I think I just got the animal, but I'm going to have to accept that because I'm done with this. I'm done with the vacuum shit.
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So there are scenes where he's living in it, and then there are scenes where he's trying desperately.
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Yeah. Don't you love that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, does that happen to you like the day before? You're like, oh, my God. Always. I got it. Yeah. Always.
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Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah, I talked to like, I talked to James Caan once. He's like, you know, on the first day of shooting The Godfather, I didn't have Sonny yet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah, but usually when I get there, I'm like, am I just being me?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah, me too. But you've been doing it a long time, so this is very reassuring. Yeah, all that work that you just described, my version of that is like, what am I doing with my hands? Should I just leave them here? Did they just grow while I was standing here? Or I'm in the middle of some sort of monologue, and as a person, I'm all hands. And I'm like, is this guy all hands?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Because I'm doing an all-hands thing. Yeah. Maybe he is. Well, he's going to have to be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. It's like that, that is sort of the weird thing about actors. You know, the thing I learned from Pacino in a certain way is he literally says, he says, you know, you, you want to hit it, you want to nail it, but most of the time you don't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But that's acting. Yeah. So if someone watching it believes it, you fucking did it. Yeah. Just because you're a little unsatisfied that you didn't, like, whatever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. All right. Yeah. So what's this other thing you did, the horror movie?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Is this your first, like, real horror movie? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And it's blood and crazy. For a couple weeks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Poltergeist was like, oh, it's ghosts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you have to go back. Get on board. I've tried to talk about this on stage, but it doesn't seem to land as well as it did here in the garage when I'm just talking to you. Anyway... I've been wanting to, I've been planning on, I've been thinking about just a massive closet purge. You know, I've got a lot of fucking clothes from a lot of years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Why? Is that scary? Yeah, it's just. What's your character?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
That's kind of a nasty, ambitious character.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. I think so. People like the horror.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It's great. Do you go to the theater a lot?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. Yeah. And I love it. When I go, I love it. It's like amazing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You know what I watched the other night? What? Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Did you watch that? It's not really a kid's movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It's so funny, though, because you'd think that acting would be so exciting, but it didn't hurt her feelings. She's just like, this is dumb.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Oh, really? You're going to keep her away from it for that long?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I find that as I'm getting older, like, things are hitting me hard. They are? Yeah. And then, like, well, Lynn passing... I mean, that like opens up something in your heart that is tragic, but you can't undo it. And the sensitivity to almost everything is just amplified.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I mean, you know, it breaks your heart, but then all of a sudden you realize like this is what life is and everything becomes a little bit heartbreaking, a little bit more heartbreaking. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And most of the clothes that I had in my closet were clothes I actually got from the wardrobe department when I shot my TV show Marin. And when the hell was that? 10 years ago? Yeah. And I realized one morning looking into that closet and seeing no less than 50 plaid Western shirts of one kind or another that I'm just... I'm not... I'm out of the plaid thing. I'm not a plaid guy anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Right. I've always been pretty good at fighting the love.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
How do you fight the love? Well, I'm a comedian. Okay. Yeah, it's all about managing and fighting the love.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I think because, not to be too psychobabbly, that because my parents were so self-involved, that, you know, I grew to interpret love as sort of a manipulation and stuff. And I don't think they were very capable of being selfless in any genuine way. So I'm fundamentally...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It took Lynn a long time to break through.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
She is determined. Yeah. Or was determined. Yeah. But also, like, in giving love, like, the vulnerability of it, I think that in some ways – I don't know. There's part of my personality that I think you've got to be all in or not. Like, there's no middle zone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Right? So, like, even with my cats, who I should feel perfectly comfortable, you know, loving unconditionally because they're animals, I'm still a little like, what's going on?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, yeah, because they're, there you are.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And also, like, Lynn was, like, so incredibly supportive and insistent. That I act.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And, you know, I think about her, you know, like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. Well, she really kind of, like, it does require somebody seeing you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You know what I mean? Because I have, I don't know, I imagine you're that way, too. People make assumptions about what you're like.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, I mean, it all comes from, like, your relationship with people who are actors, it comes from these different roles that I've seen you do. And, you know, I thought you would be a little harder. But you're not. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you do have a, like, in a lot of roles, you're pretty, I don't know if it's tough, but you hold your ground somehow. Does that make sense?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So I figure, like, all right, she's going to be, like, together and tough and, you know, not in a bad way. Yeah. She's going to be nice.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But, like, I don't know if I'm going to, you know, I'm never right. I'm never right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But people assume that I'm kind of an asshole sometimes or a little curmudgeon or a little defensive. And those are all true. But then those people come where they just – that makes no difference to them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I don't even know why I was for a brief period of time, but I was. I was kind of a plaid guy. And I'm done with it. And I was like, dude, just get rid of all of that shit. So... I don't know if you've done that. where you live a life and you hold on to things. I hold on to fucking everything, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
There are directors that kind of play in the same field, but she was so specific about those moments.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah, it's nice to see you, too. Because I think she really loved you. Were you in touch with her?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You know, in a good way. Well, yeah, if you're really close with somebody that you have that relationship with.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So you went through infertility for a long time?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. My brother went through that and he's got, he's got three adopted kids. Oh, wow. Yeah. How old are they? Oh, they're all kind of older now. Like the youngest one's in his early 20s, and then there's a mid-20s, and the oldest one's got to be coming up on 30.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I think so. I don't really know. And I know like they did the adoption where— They were contacted when a woman who wanted to put a child up for adoption was pregnant. And so they were there at the very beginning. And that seems so heavy to me. And I haven't really talked to the kids about it. Because my brother always knew, like, well, we know who your mom is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So if you want to do that, let us know. And I don't know what the percentage of kids did do that. Because some of them, I think, are like, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I mean, I've gotten better at throwing stuff out, especially stuff that just comes through, you know, sent to me or whatever. I just move it along. But I just would look at all those shirts and I was so happy I had a house with a closet that could hold all those shirts. And I just would see them and be like, yeah, look at all my shirts. But that was the end of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But I guess that is the intrinsic loss. And why did they not?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You'd have to go, like, go through microfiche to find. Yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I think it was an option. Yeah. I think a lot of the mothers were like, I don't know if I can handle that. Yeah. But they know the backstory of all these kids, you know. Yeah. Which is kind of interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So they all have a relationship with their birth family?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. I've never seen a movie like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
So what were you doing, like five-minute bites?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah, yeah. You're now talking to someone else sits in the chair. Yeah. Wasn't that? Is it for both projects?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I feel like it's going to be a big movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And you got something else on the plate?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It's just like it just never doesn't feel like homework.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I wasn't wearing any of the shirts. I would try them on occasionally and think like, yeah, I don't think I want to wear this shirt anymore. And finally, I'm like, Fuck it. Fuck it. I got a closet full of ghosts. Just a bunch of ghosts. Ghost shoes, ghost shirts, ghost jackets. That guy's not me anymore. That guy was me a while back. But that's a ghost of me now. All those shirts are dead.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And it's just sort of like... I like things that happen now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I guess. You know, I do write like weekly. I do a newsletter, you know, which is sort of like a. That's very nice. No, no. And I make myself do that. And it's a good exercise. But, you know, Lynn and I were writing a script that, you know, I won't let anybody do. And it's a good story. But like, I don't know, you know, and I was kind of helping.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I optioned my buddy's book and we went through five drafts of that. I like it when I don't have to be the driver.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, what do you think of this? Well, I think we can trim this up and do that. And why don't we try it like this? And they go do it. I'm like, yeah. Look what we did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, you both have it, but it's complementing each other.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But now we've got to go do the sad thing. I know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
But I think it's important. Yeah. Okay. Thanks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
That was nice. I enjoyed that. Again, that Out of My Mind premieres tomorrow on Disney+, and Smile 2 is in theaters and digital on demand. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Okay, here we go. For full Marin subscribers, we've got this month's batch of outtakes that didn't make it into recent episodes, including stuff from my talks with Al Pacino, Robert Patrick, and Keith Urban. I'm locked into the Shure SM7. Great vocal mic. And then the other 58s. Is that an ad? Yeah. They're sending me shit. Yeah, I always go with the SM7.
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To get bonus episodes twice a week, go to the link in the episode description to sign up for the full Marin or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF Plus. And just a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. And here's some Neely sounding stuff. ACAST. Boomer lives, Muggy and La Fonda, cat angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
They represent nothing. Why are you holding on to them? So I made the pile, man. I went through all of it. My closet's like half empty. Some jackets, a lot of shirts. I haven't done the shoes yet. But I'm getting rid of all the... What's the word I want? The accoutrement of that guy who I was. Look, I'm not saying I'm a different guy, but you kind of are a different guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
You get older and you're like, let's simplify it. Why confuse with plaid maybe in the summertime? Maybe in the summertime you wear a plaid short sleeve, but there's no reason to kind of like get all that activity on your shirt. Go with the solids, man. Do like a flannel or a long sleeve solid shirt, maybe a t-shirt underneath. That's also a single color. Occasionally I'll commit to a logo or two.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I go through different periods, which is why we hang on to shit. It's a very it's a it's an odd thing. So I've made the piles and I've only gone back to the pile. I went I made the pile of shirts and then I went through it and I pulled two out of it. And then and then I went back and I put those two back on the pile. It's a it's very hard to let go of who you were.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
It's very hard to get older and see, you know, all that stuff left over from a time when you were a younger person. And sometimes you think, well, it's nostalgic. What does that even fucking mean anymore? Seriously, it's just going to end up garbage. Holy shit. Wait till I get to the books. It's just, and I've talked about this before, but not about clothes. They just lose their meaning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
They're literally just shells of something you were. So I've made the piles. And of course, when I'm going through it, I've been carrying around this giant, weird carcass of a fucking jacket. I think it's horse hide. I think I bought it at Century 21 in New York City, like maybe in 2000. No, earlier in the 90s. But it's just this massive piece of hide.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And I didn't wear it that often because it's a heavy fucking piece of business. But I put that on. I'm like, man, keeping this. I'm keeping this. I swear to God, it's like armor. But I got big plans for it. I'm going to shorten the sleeves and get new buttons, and I'll wear it twice in the next five or six years. But I'm keeping that one. There are a couple of things I kept that are nostalgic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
A couple of shirts. The shirt that I bought in Ireland when me and Lynn went. The shirt and vest that I bought from my special end times fun that I've worn never again. I should just get rid of that, honestly. I do have the shirt I wore on my first HBO half hour Western shirt. But then it comes down to this, like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
I'm no big star, but I got a specific taste and I don't even know if people want that shit anymore. I've got all these old like Pendleton wool shirts. Some of them get the moths got to. But but I got quite a few of those. I think I'll give them to a friend. But there's part of me that thinks like, dude, why don't you just sell the whole Marin collection on eBay and give the proceedings to charity?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Because then I'd have to figure out how to put them on eBay or wherever people sell that shit. Buy the whole collection of Marc Maron's plaid self in one box. I don't fucking know if anybody wants that shit. But I do think I'll probably go with the goodwill. The stuff that I don't give to people that want it. Go with the goodwill angle because then it's like people can find it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
And I just I don't know why that's part of this ego extension of like, yeah, these are top notch plaid Western shirts. I mean, there's there's always a market for these top notch plaid Western shirts. I'm out of my fucking mind, man. I am too self-important sometimes. It annoys me. It annoys me. So Rosemary DeWitt is a lovely person.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucking ears? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it again. If you're new here, welcome. Does that still happen? I think it must. I'm still a discoverable person. You can still discover Marc Maron. I'm very, in a lot of ways, undiscovered. I'm learning that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
She's in the new family film, Out of My Mind, which premieres tomorrow, November 22nd on Disney+. She's also in Smile 2, which is still in theaters and on digital on-demand platforms. And again, we talk about her husband, Ron Livingston, a lot, and I just call him Ron. So now you know. It's Ron Livingston from Office Space. And also...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
He did one of the best jobs playing an agent in Adaptation, Spike Jonze's Adaptation. Just the best. But Rosemary's amazing. And this is her and I, yeah, I think really chatting for the first time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Why, because of me and because what hangs over us, between us?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yes, but you know what? On that note, on the Lynn Shelton note, which we can talk about, I have it in my mind to, you know, give you this jacket if it fits you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Well, I don't know. You know, I have stuff. You know, I have some stuff. And, you know, I have stuff that I have to look at. Yeah. But, like, this jacket is very specific. You might recognize it. But, you know, I just have it, and I think you should have it if it fits you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Okay, let's see if it fits after. Okay, let's see. I hope so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Yeah, I mean, I can't remember when we met, actually. Where was it for the first time, or the only time, maybe? Do you remember? Mm-mm. Did we talk after Lynn passed away?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Oh, really? Yeah. It was an exciting thing? It was exciting. I, yeah, I think that she loved you very much.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt
Today on the show, Rosemary DeWitt is here. She's an actress. She's been in a lot of stuff. I'm sure you know her. She's been in things like Rachel Getting Married, Mad Men, The Boys, La La Land. She's also married to that guy, Ron Livingston, who can be very funny. And I mention that only because we talk about him a bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wer ist Bruder Theodor? Ich glaube, ich bin Andy Kaufmann, weil ich ein Simpleton bin. Aber wer ist Bruder Theodor?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Bruder Theodor war dieser Verrückte, der... Letterman hatte ihn immer. Er war dieser seltsame, ich glaube, er war ein russischer Jude. Und er hatte eine Show in New York, die jahrelang gedreht hat. Und er war einfach dieser angstige, seltsame, rantende Kerl. Er war überrascht. Ja, was auch immer. Er machte sehr poetische Ramblings, aber es war seltsam.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Es war fast avant-garde, aber er war ein Ding. Er war ein Ding. Ja, aber wenn ich deine Shows schaue, ich wusste nicht wirklich, was du gemacht hast. Ja, als ich dich kennengelernt habe, hat jemand gesagt... In meinem Geist war es ein lustiges Party. Ich habe dich zu einem lustigen Party getroffen, wir sitzen mit Hannah und... Ein Fisch-und-Guss-Soiree.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, ich kann mich nicht erinnern, wie es war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Es war Sarah, Sarahs Rooftop. Okay, that's it. It was two, we encountered each other twice. Ioni, I was talking Ioni Sky. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you came over and you scanned me. I don't think you loved what you saw and you went back to Ioni. And you scanned me again. You were scanning me kind of hemisphere by hemisphere and then eventually you decided not to engage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And then I said, okay, next year. Oh, this was the year before? Yes. No shit. Oh, so you have this memory. Oh, I was shaking.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I do know that you're a little self-conscious. You're very intimidating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I'm usually just thinking about me. Which is the case with bears, too, right? With anybody. Any predator.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
He's got an interesting look and I'd seen his reels and I didn't know what to make of him. And I just booked him because I'm like, I know this guy is going to be interesting. I don't know where he's coming from or where he's at, but I hadn't really watched his stuff yet. And I booked him because I knew he would be interesting. There was no way he wasn't going to be interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, I don't know if I'm a predator. You're not a predator.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I was talking about bears. You're not a predator. No, no, but I just mean... You're a vegetarian.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, now I'm a vegan, yeah. But I think most of the time when people assume that you're being snobby or whatever... Oh, no. Oder sogar enttäuschend. Ich bin einfach fokussiert. Und dann bist du im Fokus. Und ich bin so, was? Du bist ein bisschen aufgewacht. Und dann, das ist das Neueste.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Jemand sagt, Marc, du kennst Chris. Und du sagst, er ist letztens auf meinem Feed gekommen. Period.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich habe gesagt, okay. Ich war nicht dickisch. Und du hast den Ton korrekt gemacht. Und ich denke, was dieser Ton mir sagt, ist, ich weiß nicht, was ich mit dir zu tun habe. Natürlich. Und was muss gemacht werden? Was muss gemacht werden?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nein, du musst mitgemacht werden. Oh, oh, shit. So there is, okay. My heart just dropped. There's a reckoning. I was afraid this might be a reckoning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, no, but in a good way. Like, when I saw you the first time, I can tell you exactly probably what happened. When I was talking to Ioni Sky, and I looked at you, and I'm like, what is this guy doing with the hair and the thing? Who are you? Is that prosthetic? How do you fit in? No, it was just sort of like, this guy's trying something. I hope it's working for him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, this guy is a thing and you know, he's he's everywhere to the point where like he's thinking everywhere and I gotta I gotta I gotta reckon with him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So I think I gotta look up the verb to reckon. Well, maybe we can do it. Yeah, that's a computer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, no, no. I am sure you're using it right. It's just it sounds. Well, I don't know. It sounds almost religious. It sounds punitively. It sounds like almost like smiting. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Consider or the second definition, consider or regard in a specified way. Oh, that's less violent than what I was anticipating. Well, the first one is established by counting or calculation or calculate. That's not, no, I'm going with the second definition. I have to consider or regard Chris Fleming in a specified way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, das ist so, wie es sich sagt. Okay, ich weiß nicht, ich bin Teil davon.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nein, ich habe es zusammengestellt. Okay. Ja, ja, aber wir können es wahrscheinlich reinlegen. Ist es wie Wikipedia, der Diktator? Und weißt du was?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja. Ich mag das. Aber als opposed to who? Like a guy in it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, you know, Austin, Texas has like their team of people on the computer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, everyone's got a team. I don't even do video. Which is awesome. Yeah, like it's weird. It's coming back around. Analog is back, baby.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But the surprise for me, and I told him this, so I'm not... I'm not just saying something negative. So I watch his special. He's got a YouTube series that I didn't know about because I'm old, called Gale, which got pretty popular. He plays basically his mom's friend. And his comedy special, there's a couple, but the one called Hell is streaming on Peacock.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Every, in every podcast is like five, it's like the avatar camera's on you. Okay.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, I know. I don't know. So you've gone out to Austin? What did you do out in Austin? No, no, no, no. I can't imagine that.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
No, no. That stopped me at customs. They put one in my leg. You don't have the right hat. You'd have to put your hair in a bun and put it under a hat. That's true. A man bun on this. My head is shaped comically, believe it or not. I have quite a small head beneath this.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You've had different lengths. You've settled on this.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I had a Mary Martin kind of bob. Remember when she did Peter Pan? Yeah. Ja. Ja. Ja. Oh, wirklich? Ja, von GLOW.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Sie ist so, oh, sie lieben mich von GLOW. Es ist so lustig, dass das derjenige ist, den sie lieben. Dieser selbstzentrierte, gruselige Kerl mit keinem echten... Dieser Kerl ist nicht neurotisch. Das war die einzige Wahl, die ich als Schauspieler gemacht habe. Es ist so, dieser Kerl gibt es nicht ab, was die Leute über ihn denken. Das sollte Spaß sein, das für ein bisschen Zeit zu machen.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Du gibst nicht ab, was die Leute denken? Na, ich weiß nicht, ob ich mich nicht abgegeben habe, aber ich schätze mich sicherlich gegen das, was ich denke, was sie fühlen. Weißt du, was ich meine? Was weißt du von dem, was jemand über dich denkt? Du siehst, dass du darüber nachdenkst.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, ja, ich meine, das ist... Wie, ständig. Oh, big time. Oh, oh, es ist ein sehr kontrolliertes... Ich würde gerne die Perzeption von mir kontrollieren, auf jeden Fall. Na, nicht du? Ich versuche es. Du kannst nur an einem Punkt. Du musst stoppen, die Kommentare zu lesen und zu sehen, was Leute sagen, weil dann das in deinem Kopf kommt. Ich spreche über das mit Gary Goleman. Ja.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, es ist das Schlimmste. Aber es scheint, als ob dein ganzes Event... Mein ganzes Event?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
That was why I wanted to get into comedy, was to kind of be, you know in algebra when it's like this X is a given? I wanted to be like, okay, he doesn't have to explain himself. Right. Oh, that's interesting. You really thought about it that way? I felt, I think I've since... Ich wusste, dass das so war. In der Hochschule liebte ich es, wenn Leute wussten, dass ich lustig war im Theater.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und dann in der Schule und so. Dann musst du nicht sagen, ich weiß, das ist ein bisschen was. Ich weiß das, und dann gehen wir davon. Aber dann kriegst du nicht das Gefühl, aber wer bist du wirklich?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich meine, ich weiß, du bist lustig, aber ich meine, du weißt.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Dann ist das, wenn du mich nicht mehr hörst. Wenn du anfängst, diese Fragen zu stellen. Das ist, wenn die Party vorbei ist. Ich gehe nicht mehr mit dem Mann aus. Das ist Bettzeit.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, das hat mich nervig gemacht. Oh ja. Und das waren zwei einzelne Events. Und dann kam etwas auf meinem Telefon und ich dachte mir, ich muss meinen Kopf um diesen Mann umdrehen. Weil er scheint in vielen Orten rauszukommen.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Also es ist nicht positiv, es ist nicht negativ. Es ist wie, ich muss das akzeptieren. Ja, das war der Intent. Das ist wie eine chronische Schmerz.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, no, no. It was like I knew that you were unique and you were doing something that I may not have seen before, which is rare. Because even the weirdos seem to be almost like a Comedia Della Arte thing. Like the entire spectrum of stand-up comedy, you know, they're the 10 or 11. The stock types, the zany.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So I watch some Gale, and then I watch his other special, and then I watch Hell. And... What I kept seeing in the midst of his kind of frenetic way of delivering what he does is that he had real fucking stand-up chops. And not just chops. I mean, like, he could riff, man. And that's a rare thing. I'm not talking about audience work. I'm not talking about crowd work.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yes. And then there's always, you know, weirdo. And that sometimes they can be redundant. Es gibt einen Art von Weirdo, wo du denkst, er macht das Ding.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Es gibt viele Leute jetzt, die seltsam sind. Es ist merkwürdig, dass sie verstehen, dass sie seltsam sind. Weißt du, wie du das machst? Ich denke, Nathan Fielder ist ein bisschen überraschend. Oh nein, er ist ein wahrer Weirdo. Aber wie weißt du, wie du Comedy machst? Das ist mein Verwirrung.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich weiß nicht, wie lange er Comedy gemacht hat, aber ich bin kein großer Fan der Art von Comedy, die er wahrscheinlich gemacht hat. But I do like what he's doing now. Sure. Like there are guys that are weirdos that their intention is to, I don't know if it's nihilistic, but their intention is to do anti-comedy. Exactly. And that's never been my bag.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, I remember listening to you talk to Tim and Eric on the podcast. And I listened in like 2013 and you were like... I'm afraid you're doing a bit with me right now and I'm not in on it. Yeah, yeah. And I get that. Yeah, that was my biggest fear with them.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I didn't trust them at all. You were paranoid, looking over your shoulder. Well, it just took me years to even trust either, like Heidegger has evolved. He's softened. Totally. Yeah. And he's like, you know, and now his, I think his first intention was always to fuck with you. Totally. And now you just realize, like, he's just kind of an intense guy. Yes. He's a tiger in a cage.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, but he grew up somehow. Yeah. But in talking about them, when I was watching all your stuff, I mean, I realized, like, I knew that Tim and Eric were doing a thing that was brilliant and inspired and had a genius to it. And I could see most of the time through, I don't ever know how people create this stuff, if they do things on purpose or it's just the zeitgeist is in their brain. Yeah.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But I knew that they were playing with forums. I knew they were playing with video forums. I knew they were playing with public access. I knew all the things that was making this weirdness. But it sort of transcended anything. And I thought it was funny, but I didn't think it was like... Laugh out loud. It was like, holy shit.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You know, some of it was pretty laugh out loud, but I'm usually... I would die laughing at that shit.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, yeah, I think I can tell that they had an impact on you. Oh, hugely. I mean, the Absolute Vodka thing that they did with Zach Galifianakis. There's moments that shatter your brain. Yeah. And that shattered my brain. Which ones? I don't know if I know that one. They were tasked with making a commercial for Absolute Vodka. Okay. With Zach. Yeah. And it is...
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich meine, es ist eigentlich jetzt so, dass alles das fährt. Ja. Also, wenn du zurückblickst, könnte es nicht so sein. Du weißt, wie jedes Kommerzium fühlt sich an. Oh, wirklich? Ja, ich denke so.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nun, ich habe das auch über deine Sachen bemerkt, als ich die kurzen Videos und einige der Musikvideos oder was auch immer gesehen habe. Ja. Und dann würde ein Kommerzium auf YouTube kommen, welches ein spezifischer Art von Kommerzium ist. Ich bin halb erwartet, dass du in dem bist. Ja.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, I did a Tim and Eric commercial. Oh, you did? For glue, yeah. Oh, that's funny. It was scary. So you worked with them? Yeah, I was just an actor in it. Oh, really? Yeah, I was a dancer. Oh, okay. And this was early on? Yeah, it was like... Right when you got here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like 2012 maybe. So what, were you living on the street? Where did they get their people? Ja. You got in, huh?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And you were nobody. They didn't know who you were. I thought I was in on it. I wasn't in on it. I thought they might know I'm a comedian. No, I think they just thought I was an eccentric.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Which I guess you are. But the point I'm making is that what makes me old or what makes me specific about comedy is I need to have some sense of... der Mensch in ihm. Und wenn du all das wegnimmst, weiß ich nicht immer, woher es landen kann. Ich kann sehen, dass es eine Sache ist. Ja, aber du willst es mit einem schmerzhaften Herz. Etwas, richtig? Etwas wie, was ist das Kern dieses?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und wenn deine ganze Sache, das zu vermeiden ist, Dann werden wir Probleme haben. Aber du bist immer noch brillant. Ich werde mich einfach nicht in die gleiche Richtung verbinden.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I'm talking about real freedom of mind, stream of consciousness, riffing with confidence, but Because he's got stand-up chops. And I never thought that I... Right when I started watching it and I saw how he was going at it with the audience, I was like, holy fuck. What this guy is hiding is that he knows how to do this. Because he doesn't do straight stand-up. It's not like club work.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Natürlich. Ich hatte eine Schauspielerin in der Schule, die ich als grundlos war. Und ich habe letztens gehört, wie sie es beschreibt, diese unglaubliche Schauspielerin. Sie sagte, ich wäre ungrundlos. Und sie würde mich einfach fliegen lassen.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But oddly, despite the nebulous nature of how your energy moves through things, you're kind of hopelessly yourself. Oh, thank you. Right? I mean, it doesn't seem like you're hiding too much. There might be some mystery there, but it seems like you're kind of putting it all out there.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, I'm very inspired by Prince and the questions that he answered and didn't answer. Oh, that's interesting. You think about that consciously? Yes. Big time. So what do you mean? I think if you check off too many boxes, it doesn't make you interesting and affects the work too much. The people that are fully confessional is a totally different thing.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But for myself, it's just also the way I was raised. Like very much private. Like be private.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But that's funny because there's like in all of the stuff, which is one of the reasons why I connected with the stuff, especially the stand-up, is that you're... I can see... Selbst wenn du Videos machst, kann ich sehen, wo du die Idee hast. Und dann entscheidest du, ob ich das sagen werde oder ob ich mich Stunden und Stunden auf ein Video machen werde.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wow. Du meinst in Bezug auf Stand-Up oder ob ich etwas produzieren werde? Genau. Das ist der Grund, warum ich jetzt quasi exklusiv Stand-Up mache. Du hast zu viel Zeit, oder? Ja, ich werde zu alt und zu müde. Und dann findest du sofort, ob es lustig ist.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Vielleicht bin ich falsch, aber auch das Boba-Video. Du hast ein paar Dinge geschrieben oder zwei Dinge über Boba gedacht. Und du denkst dir, das ist ein ziemlich guter Witz, aber warum nicht es zu diesem Ding erhöhen?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich sage dir, der Prozess dahinter ist, dass es bestimmte Dinge gibt, wo ich sie tue und sie nicht lachen. Aber ich glaube noch daran, dass ich sie in ein Lied verwende. Oh, wirklich? Ja, ja. Das macht Sinn. Weil dann ist es so, du kannst es nicht vermeiden, das ist ein Stück, das existiert. Ja. Und so musst du es umgehen, es existiert. Aber du musst es anbieten.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Du musst es anbieten, aber es ist fast wie der Publikum, es ist so, naja, das predatiert mich. Wobei Stand-Up, es ist so, wir sind alle in diesem. Aber wenn es ein Stück ist, wie ein Lied oder so etwas.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Aber du hast so viele andere Dinge, um es zu erhöhen. Es gibt also ein ganz anderes Spektrum von Dingen, die du kreativ machen kannst, die du wahrscheinlich nicht weißt, wie es passieren wird, bis du in den Prozess kommst.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, und die Art und Weise, wie das Songwriten sich erhöht, erhöht Dinge auf eine Art und Weise, die du nicht verdienst. Und ich versuche nicht, mit Rhymen zu reden. Ich versuche nicht, mit Rhymen zu sein. Nein, nein, ich habe das bemerkt. Es gibt kein Rhymen. Es ist nur diese seltsame Intensität. Ich versuche, viel zu viele Worte in einen Stanz zu machen. Aber das ist lustig.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Danke, Mann. Aber das ist etwas, was du in Stand-Up nicht tun wirst. Ja. Aber was ich in dir gesehen habe, und es war mir überraschend, um ehrlich zu sein, ich war glücklich überrascht, dass du in Stand-Up am Kern von alles bist. Ja. Oh, ja. Das ist so, wie ich angefangen habe. Du weißt, wie man Stand-Up macht. Ich bin sehr ernsthaft über Stand-Up. Ich weiß, was mich überrascht.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich bin so, was macht dieser Scheiß-Ball? Wie viel seltsame Scheiße muss ich durchsetzen, um herauszufinden, wer dieser Kerl ist? Ja. Aber ich habe das letzte Spezial zuerst gesehen. Ja. Hell. Hell, ja, ja. Danke fürs Zuschauen.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, yeah. I just watched yours from bleak to dark. Yeah, it's a very different approach. I loved it. And I love Town Hall. You made Town Hall look very different.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, you know, it's an interesting venue, but it's very wide.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And it feels a little bit like a high school auditorium. It does. If you don't put that beautiful backdrop on it.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
That guy's a genius. I'm going to use him again. I mean, no, you moving around, you block it.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
No. At some point in time, I became a sitter. And it was very intentional. And it came out of, like, when I used to be bombing, that's when I would sit down. Like, I think the impulse is, like, you know, you run around. The dragon has been slain. Well, yeah, kinda.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But it's also sort of like, well, I'm gonna just, you know, I'm gonna do the opposite here and just act like I'm comfortable as hell and just sit into the bomb. Wow. And then I realized, what a great tool I've created for myself to make it intimate and I can use it when I'm not bombing. So I was a sitter. You don't bomb for your own shows, right? No, no, no.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I don't bomb on purpose. Oh, no, no. But I mean like for your own theater shows. For your own crowd. No, no, no.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But I find out from talking to him that when he was a kid, he was doing open mics. He knows how to do stand-up. And it was such a treat and a relief in some ways that I could find this commonality. He loves stand-up. But he does stand-up in a way that is rare. Where, you know, just legit stream of consciousness. I mean, you can see a lot of people, you know, have a certain pace.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But like you can... And I think somehow you transcend this and integrate it. And I do as well on my own part. But there is a point where... Whatever vulnerability you're moving through up there, Whatever risk you're taking personally could turn on you.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, and especially in front of, like I'll completely... Even if you're people, you know, like they sense like, it's not quite a lack of control, but it's sort of like the bottom falls out a little bit.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, and if they can smell on you that you're trying something new out and they want, there's certain people that want you to be in the moment and trying, and there's certain people that, certain crowds that want the stuff that works, and then when they smell it on you, they can... That you're not quite confident? Yeah, yeah, it's horrifying.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
How will my glasses fog up? Does that happen to you? No, but sometimes, like if I'm really, like it's been a while and it doesn't happen much anymore. But if I'm, because I don't want to physicalize it, if I'm not doing well and I can feel that like, I'm not going to get them over the hump. I get that weird sweat in the back of my neck.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, that's great. That's your little secret. Vor allem, weil du dich in so einer Schleimhaut ausgestattet hast. Das ist für dich und Gott. Ich fühle es.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Es ist eine schreckliche Sache, wo du denkst, okay, mein Körper macht das Ding. Jetzt müssen wir es nicht machen.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Manchmal habe ich einen Nerv. Das ist der Grund, warum ich viel strecke vor Shows. Weil ich in der Mitte bin. Ich war am Boden, die andere Nacht, und ich hatte einen Nerv. Ja. Und... then you can't be like, you have to continue doing 40 minutes after that.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But do you draw attention to your pinched nerve? No, because that's the secret. That's when they'll kill you. That's the one secret you have, is the pinched nerve.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It's like when you get mic feedback. But how do you know that's what does it when you're jumping around like that and dancing and doing the splits and shit? Oh, what do you mean? What I mean, you're very, how do you know that that particular, is it a very specific pinch? Because it seems like the way you perform, you could hurt yourself in a number of ways.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, oh, you should have seen, a town hall, I fucked up my leg. What did you do at town hall? I did an hour at town hall.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, but it wasn't recorded, though? Not a special?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I have the audio on my phone. So you recorded one, the old one at Talia Hall. I have a lot of audio on my phone that I never listened to. I never listened to it. I have hundreds. It's such a waste. I know there are moments there where I'm like, you could get that back. Aber du willst nicht, dass es schlecht ist. Was ist das? Was denkst du, dass das ist?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Weil ich das auch tue. Ich schreibe alles. Ich denke, es gibt die Angst, dass es nicht gut ist. Wenn es gut ist, gibt es die Angst, dass es nicht so gut ist, als wenn du es fühlst.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Aber wenn du riffst, was ich vermute, du tust viel, ist das so, als ob du nicht weißt, was dir geliefert werden wird. In the moment. So then it comes and it's sort of like, oh my god, that was the best moment when I said that one sentence of the whole hour.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But you can't recreate a lot of the time. I guess, and I think that's what we're keeping for ourselves. That's why we don't listen to it. And also, I find that I've been doing bits, I try to do it a bit maybe a couple of times before I put it out. Weil ich finde, wenn ich die Bits jetzt schreibe... Ich schreibe die Bits jetzt. Ich versuche, mehr davon zu schreiben.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich versuche, Wort für Wort zu schreiben. Ich kann das nicht. Und dann versuche ich... Aber dann vergesse ich es. Geht es nicht auf der Seite, wenn du es schreibst? Oh, ich verliere es komplett in einem Moment, weil ich denke, warte, das macht keinen Sinn. Dann versuche ich, zu kommunizieren, was ich schreibe, zu dem Publikum. Und das ist, wenn du etwas kapiert hast. Und das ist, was ich mag. Ja.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Weil da ist eine Verschwörung. Yeah, yeah. It has to work. Yes. You've cornered yourself. Yes. And that's where I want to put it out. I don't want to then workshop that for a while.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Right. But because you started in Boston, there's a guy you do. I feel like a lot of the guys that I worked with back there when I started in Boston are kind of like, some of them are around. The ones who aren't dead. Jimmy Tingle. Sure, Jimmy Tingle, yeah. Jimmy Tingle. Du, ich erinnere mich, er war, ich sah ihn direkt am Anfang, bevor er politisch war.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und er hatte eine Harmonika und er war schmerzhaft und er war immer noch trinken. Er war schmerzhaft? Sehr schmerzhaft. Und ein bisschen fett. Er war früher ein Bartender bei Ding Ho. Der Ding, der dann die Comedy-Studie wurde. Naja. Ein bisschen, oder? Nein. Nein. Naja, Jenkins ist von meiner Generation. Das ist mein Typ, Rick Jenkins. Das ist gut.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich bin froh, dass er eine Welt für sich gefunden hat. Nein, das Ding Ho war ein chinesisches Restaurant in Cambridge oder Somerville. Es hatte einen kleinen Showroom und es war der Ort für eine Generation von Männern. Wer hat den Show gespielt? Ich glaube, Barry Crimmins hat den Show gespielt. Das war ein bisschen vor meinem Zeitpunkt.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich bin da gekommen und habe Comedy gemacht, bis zum Ende des Ding-Zeits. Warte, wo bist du geboren? In Zentral-Massachusetts.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wo ist das? Stowe. Stowe. Das ist neben Acton, Bolton. Ja, nicht weit weg. 20, 25 Minuten aus Boston. Etwa eine Stunde. Eine Stunde? Ich dachte, es wäre eine Stunde und eine halbe, aber meine Eltern haben mich falsch genommen. Oh, oh.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But believe me, a lot of times they're just doing an act over and over again. But I could tell this guy can go off and do it with references that are interesting and way of thinking that is interesting. So I was, I know it's odd to say, I was surprised and excited that he was the real deal. And you'll hear me talk to him in a minute.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Also war es ein bisschen da draußen. Ich habe früher immer One-Nighters all over the place gemacht. Oh, wo? All over New England. Leominster. Ja, Poncho Villas. In Leominster. Mit der Disco-Ball.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
For sure. I ran a show in Clinton for a little while.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
There was booking agencies. That's how I started, is doing one-nighters through these three agencies that would book all over New England.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
One show I opened for Don Gavin, and he confused me with the opener from the night before, even though the opener had a crew cut and looked nothing like me. But there was a giant marlin up on the stage, and I did a riff on the marlin, and he came up to me and was like, you know I talk about the fish. Because he thought I was the guy. I'm like, no, Don. Exactly. I don't know. But I get that now.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I completely get it. You gotta fill 45 minutes an hour in a restaurant in Malden.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, and that's what it was. The fish is five. The fish is totally five. I took five from him. Oh, yeah, that whole thing about, like, I remember the first time I did Politically Incorrect when Bill Maher had that show on Comedy Central. Yeah. Und ich habe etwas gesagt, und es kam eine seltsame Antwort aus dem Publikum, und ich habe an das Zeichen geschickt, das politisch falsch ist.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und Scott Carter kam zu mir und sagte, hey, schau, Bill schickt an das Zeichen.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Selbst die Prämisse, die Leute waren sehr, sehr... Das alte Gefängnis war verrückt. Also, du bist in Stowe. Ja. Nur wie ein seltsamer Kind. Ja. How do you get from there to comedy? You just got the one sister?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, I got a sister. 18 months older. She was a salutatorian, top of her class. And I was not very good. And my mom... And you worked that all out with the Gail character.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You brought all of your family garbage up into... Ja, das war heilig. Ich bin mir sicher, es war.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Unglaublich heilig. Es ist wie eine Art Therapie, ich bin mir sicher.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, um eine seltsame, suburbische Neuengland zu nehmen. Ja, die Angst. Und von dort zu leben und es von innen zu dekonstruieren, mit der Hilfe der Menschen, die tatsächlich involviert waren.
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wie kann das nicht sein? Mit meiner Mutter. Ich weiß. Ich meine, es hat unsere Beziehung gemacht. Und Nachbarn. Unglaublich. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it made your relationship incredible? Oh, yeah, because I was imitating her to her and we're laughing about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were direct quotes. I mean, it was beautiful. So what did your dad do and what did your family do? Did they work?
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Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
They were both pharmacists. Really? Yeah, they met at Northeastern. Oh. My dad, he used to fit Oh wow. Und medizinisch. Ja. I was so encouraged by the community. I'm telling you, I was... What, they all knew you because of what? Theater. I was very... You know how people talk about wanting to be like, I'm going to prove you're all wrong.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
For me, it's like, I don't want to let them down, is the stress. Have you? I think I should be bigger based on how much encouragement I was given. Sure. They do too, I'm sure. Yes, yes, yes. Why aren't you on the... I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Can't you just call the... No. Yeah. Why aren't you on old media?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah. Well, they're the only ones that still watch it. Well, that's the thing. It's like you impress your parents' friends by doing the things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, sure. And I imagine when you did all those Gale shows, you had to tell a good number of 60- to 70-year-old people where to see it. Oh, totally. How do we watch it? On the computer? Yeah, yeah. Is it on Chronicle? Aber du warst also ein notoriöser, talentierter, weirder Kind? Ich war im Theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Tomorrow I'm in Durham, North Carolina at the Carolina Theater of Durham, Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm at the Knight Theater this Saturday and I'll be in Charleston, South Carolina at the Charleston Music Hall on Sunday night. Next week I'm at Largo here in L.A. on Tuesday night, March 25th. Then Skokie, Illinois. I'm coming to the North Shore Center for the Performing Arts on Friday, March 28th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich habe Theater gemacht. Wie, Gemeinschaftstheater oder nur Highschool-Theater? Nur Highschool-Theater. Und, äh, äh, sie ließ mich im Adlib und meine Mutter sah mich im Adlib und sie war so, oh, wir müssen dich in die Komödie bringen. Und so hat sie einen offenen Mikrofon gefunden. Sie hat das gesagt? Ja, sie hat einen offenen Mikrofon in Merrimack gefunden. Und es war eine Broad Street Grill.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und sie war so, du musst das machen. Ich war kein großer Stand-Up-Fan. Merrimack, I feel like I performed there. I'm sure. This had car seats. It was a show run by Corey Manning and Chris Tabb. I don't know them. Then I started doing stand-up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich war 16 und dann habe ich es nicht mehr gedacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
War es traumatisierend oder war es eine gute Erfahrung? Nein, ich habe es genossen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Hast du geschlafen? Oh yeah, yeah, I did very well. Oh really? Yeah, I worked on it really hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So the whole bit was just doing different people, being excited about it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yes, I was acting out a lot of people. I'm sure it was very Robin Williams derivative. Yeah, no, it's not derivative, it's just riff. Oh no, no, the way I was doing it. Riff style. Oh, so you would watch Robin? Oh, so I saw my dad watching Mork and Mindy as a kindergartner, when I was a kindergartner. Yeah. And I said, oh, I want to, the way he's making my dad laugh, I want to do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, I definitely noticed that in the stand-up, that you do have a pace and a freedom of mind. And after a certain point, I'm like, so much of this can't be written.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, of course not. No, no, no. That's pretty ballsy. Well, I'm too disorganized. I'm so disorganized. But you have chunks. Of course. You know, that have a little wiggle room in them. Yeah, and I have bullet points that I have on a big easel. I'll show you. Yeah. This is the easel that I have at Largo. I have it up. See, it's like stuff like, it's shit like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, yeah. No, I have a lot of that kind of stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah. Scribbles. Yeah. But yeah, then I... Dann habe ich Rick Jenkins in der Comedy-Studio angerufen. Du warst 17, 16? Ja, ich war ein Junge. Ich habe es nicht ernst genommen, bis ich einen Freund hatte, der ein Trumpeter war. Und er ist in der Hochschule weggeflogen. Wir waren nicht so nah. Aber er war ein guter Trumpeter? Unglaublich. Und der Weg, wie er sich auf Trumpeter gewöhnt hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Er konnte nie aufhören, weil er immer in einer anderen Gruppe war. Also du wusstest, dass er ein geistiger Typ war. Und er hat es gearbeitet. Und ich war so, was muss ich tun? Du bist einfach mit etwas weggegangen. Genau. Ich war wie ein Dick. And I was just kind of like, I didn't care.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And then I was like, oh shit, I'm like... Isn't that interesting that you do something, you commit to it, to the art. And that enables you... Like within stand-up, you can be undisciplined almost every way other than doing the stand-up. Oh, totally. And getting laughs. Those are the only two requirements. And I've said this a lot. It's really on... You can choose... You can make...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
The territory on stage is yours. And there's no rules to that. It's just the context has a couple of rules. You've got to do your time and you've got to get the laughs. Everything else, who gives a fuck?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But in that, I find that the second I start thinking I can skate on it or release a little bit and not work my fucking ass off to write new material, that's when it starts getting kind of bad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I believe that's sold out. And Joliet, Illinois, I'm at the Rialto Square Theater on Saturday, March 29th. I'm then coming to Michigan, Toronto, Vermont and New Hampshire. Also, tickets are now available for my HBO special taping in Brooklyn at the Bam Harvey Theater on May 10th. And those are going, so get them. You can go to WTFpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, oh, like skate on it, like, you know, doing the same joke or repeat. Well, if you have the kind of mind that you have, you know, it also kind of dies through repetition.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It's not fun. And they feel that. And it's so. And the way that we were taught, the comedy studio was, you do have a five to seven minute set that you work on free. We were kind of, it was the Carson model.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Okay, so where did you hear about the comedy studio? Because that was when it was like at the Hong Kong?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, I called every comedy club I could find. So like. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Freaks, like Walsh Brothers, this guy Robbie Rothstein. I was seeing people. The Walsh Brothers. Do you know the Walsh Brothers? Yeah. These people were, I mean, it was wild. Who else was there? Merman? I was after Eugene. Yeah. He was already in New York. Yeah. Aaron Judge, Mike Kaplan. Mike Kaplan. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
He's a very nice guy. Josh Gondelman. Oh, these guys are great. Gondelman's great. I hear from Mike Kaplan every week. Every week. Oh, I get the monthlies. You get every week? I get every week because I do a weekly newsletter that goes out to a mailing list that I write every week. Oh, cool. And I've almost become reliant on his reaction.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
He reads them religiously and then the day after he'll kind of break down what he thought was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, he's like Hannibal Lecter. That's a guy who's doing wordplay. He's like speaking in acrostic poems and stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, well, he gets the poetry of what I'm doing there. Because I really write the thing. And he, you know, I'm almost writing it for Mike Kaplan every week at this point. That's so sweet. Das ist wirklich süß. Ja, das ist unsere Beziehung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Das ist ein bisschen romantisch. Ja, ein bisschen. Oh mein Gott. Ja. Aber es war wie Joe Wong, ich weiß nicht, ob du Joe Wong, Dan Bolzer kennst. Ja, ich kenne Joe Wong. Maggie MacDonald, einfach wirklich, wirklich lustig. Shane Moth. Shane? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
War in, ich wusste nicht, dass er in Boston war. Ja, wir alle, ja, wir haben es gemacht. Er war wie, bevor er ein Astronaut wurde. Ja. Er war ein interessanter Comic. Ja. Ein Psychonaut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, genau. Ein Psychonaut. Ja, ein Weg in den Jerry Garcia.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Er ist immer noch interessant, aber er hatte eine seltsame Intensität, als er angefangen hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Es gibt einen bestimmten Art von Haar, den man sieht, wenn jemand viel Ayahuasca macht. Und dann startet er mit einer Farbe. Ja. Eine bestimmte, dreckige Farbe. Ah. Was machte er?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
War das Ketamin? Ich glaube, er hatte einen Ketamin-Vaping. Jeden fünf Minuten hat er sein Gehirn geöffnet. Ich glaube, er hat Barbasol gegessen. Ich glaube, es war... Barbasol. Ich glaube, es war... Deine Überzeugungen sind gut. Der Polly-Bit ist so fucking lustig. Danke, Mann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich kriege viel für das. Du? Das ist das Ding, wo... Ja, Leute...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But it seems to me that, you know, you present as nebulous enough. Thank you. That they can't hang anything on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, see, that's part of the, you know, you leave no footprints about.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, they can't attach a point of view to you around that stuff. So I can't imagine what the criticism.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to name it. I don't know what to name it. I wanted to do a special... But what kind of shit do you get for the poly bit? Oh, it's mostly just from poly guys. In three-piece suits. Wearing the vest?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
The vest. But that's always been the thing about the old school swingers. It's like, who would want to hang out with them? There's nothing... They don't seem that interesting. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so... You know, I don't know. It's alright.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I try not to... I try not to offend. I don't want to. I do not want to offend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Please go there for the proper link. Don't just Google Marc Maron tour and then put your city because then you'll go to a scalper site. But as I told you, I think last week that my anxiety. Ich habe zu einem Punkt gekommen, wo es überwältigend war. Und wir leben durch, was wir leben durch. Es gibt viel Angst, um zu gehen. Ich habe immer zu katastrophalen Denken gezwungen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But I think you're... Because I get most of your points of reference. And, you know, that's not always the case. Like, you do have a wheelhouse of life experiences and kind of geography of reference that, like, I like it. Thank you. Somehow or another, it seems like some of them are a little older than you, but not that old. Like, you know, the Phil Collins thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But I guess that was your childhood. I am obsessed with Phil Collins.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Really? Oh, I love Phil Collins. Oh my God. Really? You know, so at the Comedy Studio, I used to, before the shows, I would go to the bookstore and I would... Harvard? Yeah. And I would look through all the musician autobiographies. And I'd look at pictures of Mick Jagger and all these people. I'm like, that's what I want to bring to comedy and I don't know how. Und es war frustrierend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Stevie who, Nick? Stevie Nicks. Und Nick Jagger. Tom Wade, all these people. I was like, these are the people that I want. That's quite a spectrum. I want this to be, I want to bring this to this little stage I don't quite know how yet. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And so, have you done it? I'm getting there. So, when you start with Rick, like, what was the nature of the comedy? Because, like, it's crazy. Because you do have chops. And he started when he was 16. It's crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, it's been like 21 years. Yeah. Thank you for that, by the way. It's very sweet. It was... Die Natur der Komik war weniger physisch. Aber Gale war ein Charakter, den ich auf der Bühne machte. Also machtest du viele Charaktere? Ich machte viele Charaktere. Ich hatte ein kurzes Setup. Und Rick würde immer sagen, du kennst das Setup, aber sie nicht. Also musst du es klar machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Das ist so lustig, ich kannte ihn, als er ein Komiker war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Sag mir über das. Ich glaube, er trägt eine Schuhe. Oh, er trägt Schuhe. Es war immer eine Schuhe-Sache. Und er war selbst, er war mild-mannered. Ich würde nicht sagen, er war ein Killer. Er ist der beste Host.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Der Weg, wie er uns auf den Schwert fallen würde. Er machte uns alle so, als wären wir der lustigste, berühmteste Komedian der Welt. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, I like that he set up this workshop space.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
A haven for freaky stuff. Yeah, right. And it was the norm there, so that's why it didn't feel weird. But it wasn't the norm in Boston. Not at all.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You know, when I was coming up, you know, I was one of, you know, out of... von Cross und Garofalo und anderen Leuten. Ich war da in den Satelliten-Räumen von Nix. Nix Comedy Stopp ist ein schrecklicher Ort. Ja, aber ich wollte arbeiten. Aber es gab einige Leute, die... Sie konnten nur das tun, was sie taten. Sie konnten nicht die Änderungen machen, um rurale Räume zu machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich bin nicht überrascht, dass ich das gemacht habe. Wenn ich dich schaue, denke ich, ich habe einen freien Geist in mir, aber ich habe es irgendwie unterbrochen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nein, nein, aber was du tust, ist poetisch. Ja. Das ist die Komödie davon. Richtig. Also das ist nicht touristisch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich fühle mich nicht so... Ich habe Angst, mich zu weit wegzulassen, weil ich Angst habe, dass ich nicht zurückkomme. Wo würdest du denken, dass du gehen würdest? Ich weiß es nicht, Mann. Ich halte es kaum auf.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I don't want to go flying too much. I'm that way about, but I insulate, and this is what I did in Boston, I insulated myself at the comedy studio. I knew that if I went, I opened for Gary in Goldman, on the road for a little bit, and it was very challenging. But his audience are sweet people. They are now. This was the Improv in Schaumburg.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I had one of the worst nights of my life at that Improv. Was it half-full? Nein, es war voll. Oh, also hatte er schon einen Namen für sich selbst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, das war nach dem letzten Comic-Standing. Okay, oh, okay. Ja, ja. Oh, ja, also was ist passiert? Oh, sie wollten nur, dass ich mich degrade. Um zu sagen, kannst du dir glauben, dass ich so aussehe? Es ist das Art von Ding. Oh, richtig. Und das ist, wie ich mit Crowds fühle. Und das ist, was ich versuche, ich versuche, vorsichtig zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Weil du, du bist sensibel zu denen, die sagen, was zur Hölle ist dieser Kerl?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich hasse es, wenn du sie hörst, als würdest du dir darauf aufhören.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, to survive. Especially when I was younger, I tried to avoid that. I tried to go to places where people were curious. Because it's nothing but trauma. Yeah, yeah. You're traumatizing yourself. Well, and you see trauma. And this is a question I have for you, actually. As someone who's had a fanbase for yourself for so long. Not that long.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
15 Jahre? Seit dem Podcast, ja. Und es hat eine Weile gedauert, um die Stand-Up-Fanbase auszulösen. Ich verstehe. Ich war immer visibel, aber es hat nie gemeint, dass ich ausdrucken könnte. Like, you know, I was on Conan all the time. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und ich habe immer gezwungen, wenn ich ein bisschen freie Zeit in meinem Geist habe. Ich weiß nicht, mein Gehirn schlägt einfach auf Dinge auf, über die ich mich beschäftigen sollte. Und ich muss mich nicht beschäftigen. Und ich kreiere nur Szenarien. Und ich kreiere Situationen. Und ich kreiere Dinge, die mich extrem paniken, bis zum Punkt der Parallelität. Und ich habe es immer gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But it didn't equate selling tickets. Isn't that wild how it comes to you doing your own thing to really get the people to come?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You think it's going to be being a guest on something or something and then it's you. Yeah. But how important do you find it to... Denn du kannst darin leben, und ich habe das schon lange gemacht. Darin leben was? Dein eigenes Publikum. Aber dann ist es fast wie einen inneren Witz zu bauen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Das ist der Grund, warum ich immer, für irgendeinen dummen Grund... Du gehst in den Comedy-Store. Klar. Ich weiß, warum ich das tue. Es ist keine dumme Grundlage, aber ich bin mit dem Arbeitsethik aufgewachsen, so viele Sets wie möglich zu machen. Und dann, als ich meine Leute begonnen habe, dachte ich mir, dass ich noch regelmäßige Audienzen machen muss.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und das ist das, was ich jetzt mehr machen möchte. Das ist, wie du dich in Form hältst. Und du brauchst, dass sie einen Zugangspunkt haben. Das ist das, worum ich manchmal kämpfe. Wie kommen sie rein? Ja, ich mache keine großen Benefiz-Shows.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nein, ich auch nicht. Okay, okay, das ist gut. Mein Instinkt ist immer so, warum bin ich nicht auf dem Ding?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Richtig, aber dann, wenn ich wirklich darüber denke, ist es so, weil du wirst nervös sein. Der beste Beispiel ist, sie haben mich auf Comics Come Home gemacht, der letzte, den sie im Garten gemacht haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich sah das und ich fragte mich, wie die Erfahrung für dich war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, I know, I know how to do, I can take my act, my hour and a half or whatever and go like, all right, well, this one has a strong, there's a definite punchline there. Right. This one, I can just do this one, this one lands good. Right. And put together 10 minutes that will do that thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And for a space like that, it comes down to rhythmic, right? Well, yeah, it comes down to jokes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, because you gotta wait. Yeah. Oh, weil es so groß ist. Ja, es ist so groß. Aber das Problem war, ich habe das vorher erzählt, aber ich denke, ich bin ein Typ, der jetzt, ich habe den zweiten Comics Come Home gemacht und ich habe einen anderen gemacht. Und ich kenne all diese Leute und ich kenne alle.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und ich bin so, du weißt, einer der ersten Sets, die ich jemals gemacht habe, Guest Spots, als ich gekommen bin, war Nix nach Leary, der nur die Plätze geliefert hat. Und ich erinnere mich immer noch an Bomben. Ich erinnere mich immer noch an, wie schlimm ich gebombt wurde. Ja. Nach dem. Ja. Und jetzt komme ich zurück nach Boston. Ja. Larry ist im Hosting. Der Rückkehr nach Boston ist immer laden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Total. Weil für mich, auch mit New York, ist es wie das Rückkehren zur Seite des Traumas. Es ist wie, es triggert. Natürlich. Natürlich. Also bin ich gespannt. Ich bin so, großartig. Zehn Minuten kann ich verlieren. Der Garten, du weißt, ein paar Leute. Ich werde in Ordnung sein. Du glaubst, du kannst verlieren? Yeah. There's so many ways you could lose. Not really, not unless I fall into myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Okay, okay. That's how you lose, is when you're up there and your inner self goes like, I'm gonna take a break.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So then there's this shell of you up there. You're going to go to a bird's eye. I love going to the bird's eye. I spend most of my life at 30,000 feet. Really? Oh yeah. How do you stay connected? You know what I say before I go on? I say, I'm here. I hold on to walls. I literally say out loud, I'm here. I need to place myself. Oh, ja, das ist gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wie wenn man den Wasserbottle auf dem Boden drückt. Oh, ich habe das nicht gemacht. Oder wenn ich auf der Bühne bin. Ich schnappe meine Beine. Einiges von den Zeiten, wenn ich mit einem Kord im Krieg bin, fühlst du dich komfortabel mit dem Kord. Ich versuche, auf dem Kord zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und ich habe immer damit gelebt. Und ich hatte einige Erkenntnisse daran, als ich älter wurde, dass eines von ihnen nach diesem Psychie-Val. Und I guess my assumption has always been on some level that everybody deals with this and they just don't. So I took it upon myself to make an appointment with a real shrink, a real psychiatrist. I know shrink's an old-timey word.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nein, nein, ich versuche, auf dem Kord zu sein, jetzt, weil ich den Gefahr davon liebe. Ja, ja. Es gibt eine gewaltige Sache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, und das ist so, wie es früher war. Es sieht so viel besser aus. Der große fucking Mikrofon. Der Schlimmste. Du siehst. Du kannst ihn nicht in den Stand bringen. Oh, das ist der Schlimmste. Du musst dich davon entfernen. Ich bin froh, dass du ihn hast. Oh, mir auch. Das ist ein großer... Das war nur in den letzten Jahren, als ich das bemerkt habe. Ja, 58 auf einem Stick mit einem Rad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und auch, wenn ich über den Kord fliege, das ist gut. Das ist toll. Das ist Gold. Aber hier ist, was im Garten passiert. Ja, sorry. Wir sind im Hintergrund und er geht durch die Ordnung. Und es sind 15 Leute da. Und ich höre nicht meinen Namen. Er geht weiter. Und dann... Die Worte, die man nie hören möchte, sind wie... Okay, es wird Bobby Kelly, dann Mike... You never want to hear it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It's going to be Bobby Kelly and then your name. And then Burr will close it out. And I'm no diva, but I'm like, you're gonna make a mess of the place. He's gonna make a mess.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You mean like he's not, what do you mean make a mess? He's great. I love Bobby. But he's gonna make a mess. But it's like, you know, he's from there. It's gonna be filthy as fuck. And I've prepared a thoughtful 10 minutes. He's gonna do Maddie in the Morning style material.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
He's a very sweet, honest comedian, Bobby, and he kills. But I just knew it's just gonna be this symphony of filth. And again, I don't have any problem with that. I just don't want to have to be the clean-up guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
No, no, no. No, you don't want to then come on and be like... I have to bring him back in. No, because you're kind of professorial, too. Yeah, and I did it, and it was fine. How did you sage the space? How did you reset it? I, uh, well...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Es war gut. Ja, es war gut. Du weißt, das instinktuelle Ding, du musst auf deinen Füßen denken.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Das ist das, was du so intensiv hörst, was er sagt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Du hast 10 Sekunden, um das Ding zu landen. Pete Davidson war früher da. Er hat 10 Minuten gemacht, um seine Mutter zu retten. weil sie keinen Sex hatte, seit sein Vater in 9-11 gestorben ist. Und dann wird es ein bisschen seltsam und er sagt, ich müsste es machen, aber egal. Es ist okay gelandet, aber es ging nur darum, dass seine Mutter zu spät ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, Inzest wird nicht zu groß in Boston gelandet. Nein, aber dann, er ist in der Mitte des Shows und dann, wie du weißt, Bobby macht sein Ding und es war großartig, es war großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Er hat getötet und ich bin da rausgekommen und ich habe gesagt, ich warte immer darauf, zurück in Boston zu kommen, mit alten Freunden zu hangen und es wird nicht bestätigt, aber ich bin ziemlich sicher, dass ich Pete's Mutter verletzen werde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Great, see, that's great. You're there, you're placing yourself. I've been listening too, they think that's cute. Yeah, yeah, exactly. When you said that Bill Burr went after you, a time that I... I went up to Bill and I said, why don't you fucking follow Bobby?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Das ist... Showcase-Shows, they freak me out so much.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But if you're insecure at all, and you can't... Like, I've never been able to get to that point where it doesn't matter. Like, I'm always like, who's not before me? Of course. And then I'm like, fuck. Of course. But most, you know, a lot of guys, maybe they're pretending, maybe they're not. They just go do their thing. But I know my thing. Like... Sometimes it's not gonna work right away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, and you hear them laughing at things. They would never laugh at this then.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, absolutely. Even if people come in the dressing room and they say, great crowd, I'm like, ah, fuck. I'd almost rather hear bad crowd. Yeah, like they're a little hard and then you're like, ah, pressure's off. Everyone's having a hard time. We're all fucked.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Bill Burr, das war einer von diesen Zeiten, wo du weißt, wenn du denkst, weil es alles zu Dezibeln kommt, als Comic. Es ist alles, wer den Raum am lautesten machen kann. Und als ich Bill Burr und Motleys Comedy Club sah, der Geräusch, den er... Wo war das? Das war in Faneuil Hall. Briefly 2006, 2009. War das eine Version der Verbindung? Es war nahe, wo die Verbindung war. Oh, wirklich?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, es war Spaß. Es war wie ein kleiner Club.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Okay, also du siehst Burr da. Und den Sound, den er bekommt. Es war wie, oh, notiert. Okay, ich dachte, ich wäre gut auf der Bühne. Und ich war wie, oh, das ist, wie laut ein Raum kommen könnte. Und dann hörst du, wie laut ein Raum kommen kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You know, to actually get a psych evaluation, which I never really had, an hour and a half sort of psych evaluation to try to focus in. And look, I've done all the things. I don't know that I've done them consistently, but I've certainly done some of them for long enough to try. I've done the sort of recovery element in terms of trying to get into the present.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und du denkst, oh, ich habe einen Weg, um zu gehen. Ja, wenn du das willst. Ich habe mich überzeugt, dass das nicht das wichtigste ist. Ich sehe das.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, is connection the most important thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yes. Yes. Yeah, connection. But like, and I've, but see, I think that's really just me still functioning out of a certain amount of insecurity. Like I do have something that still holds me back.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But it's not because the people that were hitting really high decibels often stay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Das könnte es sein. Ich habe mit der Idee experimentiert. Ich war auf dem Telefon mit meinem Freund Sam. Ich bin ein katastrophaler Denker und voller Anxietie. Ich habe immer nur gearbeitet. Und jetzt bin ich alt. Und ich spreche mit meinem Freund Sam. Und ich sage, ich will es einfach einfach machen. Und dann sagt er, da ist das Spezial. Marc Maron, es einfach machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und es ist du in einem Tommy-Vahama-Shirt auf der Straße mit Corona. Nicht Alkohol, Corona.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Aber ich denke, das wäre ein lustiger, ironischer Titel. Ich denke, das ist großartig. Aber anyway.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oder ich will es einfach nehmen. Das ist auch gut. Ich spreche über das mit Comedian-Freunden. Es gibt dieses Eldorado-Ding und wir können das machen und dann entspannen. Du kannst den Eject-Knopf drücken. Auf der Bühne? Nein, nein, nein, in der Leben. Ja, ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, because of my anxiety, the responsibility of it becomes a little much. But everything becomes erased with a new bit. You know, like every anxiety, every, you know, any sort of like, I don't know if I got another hour in me. As soon as you get that new chunk, you're like, oh, okay. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's the best feeling. Only if it's a chunk.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
With jokes, like, you know, I get bored of jokes. I call it a run. That's what I call it. A run.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Because you feel like, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A ten-minute thing. So how do you start working? I drink a caffeinated drink. I drive around the Rose Bowl and I think.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh yeah, but I mean like at the beginning. So you're doing the comedy studio. Oh, sorry. And you're learning and you're going to these clubs in Boston. So when does the work start? Like, here's money. Oh, oh, oh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, okay. I started taking, I started doing, I would take the Fung Law Bus to do bringer shows. The Fung Law Bus was a Chinatown Bus for like $5 that you could take from Boston to New York. I would do the old improv. I would do bringer shows. Wait, the really old one or the one... That is now the Broadway Comedy Club.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, so not the original, not the 44th Street, because I think that was gone before you started. This was like 53rd. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the basement? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Also warst du da, hattest einen schwierigen Zeitraum, mit einigen anderen. Sie gaben uns Backstage-Oxygen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, endlich haben sie das herausgefunden. Es war ich, Mulaney, Eric Andre und all diese Leute. Und ich war jünger. Du willst Eric Andre folgen? Nein, du machst das nicht. Glücklicherweise war er in einer anderen Gruppe. Oder Malaney. Oder irgendeiner dieser Leute. Ich war nicht bereit, da zu sein. Ich habe mich verletzt. Ich wusste nicht, wie ich mich verletzen kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I've talked a lot about how a lot of what you're reacting to in terms of Panik ist etwas, was dein Gehirn macht. Es ist etwas, was dein Gehirn auf einen Grund macht, oder es ist nur das, was dein Gehirn macht, was mein Gehirn ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nicht großartige Publikationen. Sie sind unglaublich reich. Es ist wie alle Industrie mit einigen Lokalisten und reichen Leuten, die sich fragen, was heute Abend passiert. Es gibt ein Ding in der Stadt. Und die Lokalisten in der Stadt sind aus ihrer Meinung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, also war es hart. Es ist wie eine Heimat mit Leuten mit Bellybutton-Ringen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So you do that, and then what, do you start doing stand-up sets for money?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So then I went to Skidmore College in upstate New York, and then I would spend the summer in New York. Little Liberal Arts College? Yeah. And then I would go to New York in the summer. Mulaney was really helpful, getting me spots, but I was then... I decided to just work at the Ann Taylor Loft. I was like, I worked at, I was like working as like a... A what? Ann Taylor Loft. Oh, okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I worked there in Times Square. I just, I was doing stand-up. Like, I would do like, I would not get that many shows. Yeah. And then I went back to college. And I didn't, I would perform at Skidmore. I'd open for people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So these are dark summers at the Ann Taylor Loft.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Fun summers at the Ann Taylor Loft. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was like... Ja, ich glaube nicht, dass ich dann wieder vollständig Stand-Up gespielt habe, bis nach der Schule. Und dann war ich so, oh, Scheiße. Jetzt musst du reinkommen. Ja, ja. Und ich war noch nicht, ich meine, ich war noch nicht wirklich, ich war ein Jahr in Boston wieder, nachdem ich graduierte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich war im Studio und dann wurde ich eventuell zu einer Managementfirma eingeladen, die war so, du musst nach L.A. gehen. Und dann habe ich... Wer ist das? Welche Firma ist das? New Wave. Ja. Ja, es war, sie wollten, dass ich das letzte Comic-Standing mache. Und ich sagte, sie werden nur Circus-Musik unter mir spielen. Ich weiß, das wird nicht gut gehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Du kannst deine eigene Circus-Musik bringen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich könnte es vornehmen? Ja. Das scheint der richtige... Du weißt, was sie für mich tun würden. Sie würden Crickets zeigen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Na, das ist das Ding mit... Having a unique talent is that the outside world is going to box you in as a freak. As a freak. Yeah. And I don't think that's your destiny. I appreciate that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und, weißt du, das zu entfernen von Dingen, über die du wirklich Angst hast, aber auch diese Dinge, in Bezug auf Angst und Panik, du hast Entscheidungen darüber, wenn es nicht direkt oder sofort in der Vergangenheit beeinflusst, deine Leben. Einige von uns wählen, uns einfach nur an unsere Gehirne zu schlagen, mit Dingen, die einfach furchtbar sind, entweder auf deinem Telefon oder, weißt du,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It didn't seem to be that. Yeah, you don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Because then if you're not self-possessed, you'll play to that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und ich würde es spielen. Das war das Goleman-Ding. Wenn ich es hätte, um zu überleben, würde ich es spielen. Also hast du eine Art herausgefunden, dich und dein Kunst zu schützen. Und dann, durch Gail, habe ich mein eigenes Folgen bekommen. Und das ist, als ich tatsächlich nicht mehr andere Jobs hatte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So the Gail thing, so you were using that as a launching point for your stand-up?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I was doing that, hoping to sell that show to the industry, but that did not happen. The industry did not care.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And the industry was changing by that point. So you were sort of at the ground level of maybe being able to monetize just doing it on YouTube, but not quite. Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And I didn't monetize it, because I thought it was kind of slutty to have ads on. So I didn't have ads on. So I would just tour.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But did you see it at that time as a means to do stand-up? Was that still what you were looking for? Or were you already starting to think in terms of film and sketch and all that stuff?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I was trying to get into acting and stuff through that. I was hoping to do that. And I would do stand-up still, of course. But I would do college gigs for money and stuff. But I didn't really start... Als ich Gail beendet habe, habe ich die Gail-Show mit meiner Familie gedreht. Und dann habe ich das nicht mehr gemacht. Und dann habe ich mit dieser Fanbase Stand-Up gedreht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Aber du warst noch während des Gale-Perspektives, weil du viele Musikvideos gemacht hast. Das war später.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Also hat Gale dich in der Produktion von visuellen Sachen profizient gemacht? Ja, das stimmt. Und dann hast du dich damit befasst? Das stimmt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und dann habe ich gerne Musik gemacht. Ich habe Songs gemacht mit diesem Mann, Brian Hevron-Smith, der mit mir für Gale Musik gemacht hat. Und wir haben diese Songs zusammen gemacht. Und das war das nächste... Und dann habe ich versucht, äh, wiederum, meine Mutter war so, Chris, wenn du diesen Gale-Charakter nicht verlässt, ist das alles, was jemand von dir kennen wird, also musst du anfangen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Die Mutter ist wie dein Manager. Sie ist unglaublich. Sie sagt, du musst zurückgehen, du musst Leute, die dich kennenlernen, du kannst Stand-Up machen, damit sie dich nicht als irgendein Internet-Hack denken. Ja, ja. Weil sie, besonders dann, da war es wie ein Stigma. Und ich bin so, okay, gut, ich gehe zurück zu Stand-Up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Also, und, und, also, ich versuchte, einen Weg zurückzufinden, um mich okay zu fühlen. out of that character. That character helped break down a lot of barriers for myself, by the way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Sure, but where does all the, like, I guess what I don't always understand is how things come together and I don't think there's any explanation to it because, like, even when you do the music video parodies or, you know, you use puppets or the font of the credits and all that stuff, is that all impulsive or is that groupthink or is it all you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It's all impulsive, yeah. I just follow impulses. I don't think too much about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, du folgst seltenen Impulsen, aber dann gehst du einfach mit ihnen in die Runde. Oh, ja. Das ist meistens... Das Nähklipper-Ding. Ich weiß gar nicht, wo das herkommt. Oder wie du das mitnehmen kannst und sagst, ich werde mich damit verabschieden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wow, du hast einen Deep Dive gemacht, Marc. Ich verabschiede mich. Ich verabschiede mich. Ich denke, vieles ist... Es ist der erste Gedanke und dann einfach in das.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Für mich ist der erste Gedanke, okay, das ist ziemlich gut. Aber dann ist es so, ich werde eine Woche sparen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, this is why you need to do it fast, so you do it before you doubt it. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But you got a pretty good, seems like you got a pretty big window there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
My window is very small. I mean, that's why they're socially produced a lot of times. I have to do it incredibly fast before I'm like, this isn't funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sie werden was produziert? Das ist der Grund, warum ich sie so schnell produzieren muss. Das ist der Grund, warum sie so schlecht produziert werden. Oh, oh. Es ist sehr flach. Ja, aber das bringt den Effekt dazu.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Das ist nur... Es ist unerlässlich. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Leute sagen mir, oh, wir lieben, wie schlecht das gemacht wird. Ich denke, oh, ich dachte, das wäre das Beste. Oh, ich dachte, das wäre ziemlich gut gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, genau. I can't get any peace from it. Even if I do something that I enjoy, you know, that gets me out of myself and, you know, I'm expressing myself, whether it's stand-up or music or conversations, right after I'm like right back to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Aber auch in der fucking... Ich weiß nicht. Ich glaube, es ist nur, weil es nicht so ist, wie ich es denke oder wie ich es kreativ mache. Aber nicht nur wie DiPiglio, das scheint ein recurring Thema zu sein, weil es scheint, als hätte es mit einem Chihuahua angefangen oder so etwas, weil du es zurückbringst. Ich wurde von einem Chihuahua gefangen. Ja. In der Distanz. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucksters? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How you doing? What's going on? Where you at? How's the stress level? How's the despair level? How's the anxiety level? What about joy? Huh? Where's the joy? Are you finding joy in your heart? In your heart? Are you taking it easy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Weil du die Geschichte in deinem Stand-Up erzählst, aber dann habe ich gemerkt, nach dem Stand-Up, dass DiPiglio die Monster-Version war, die Monster-Movie-Version des Chihuahuas. Das ist, wie ich den Chihuahua beobachtet habe. Ja. Aber du bist nicht Angst vor Puppetrie, was ich glaube, ist gut. Oh, ich liebe Puppetrie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich versuche es. Auch in diesem Special, das verrückte Ding. Das Theaterbobbers, ja. Ja, der Idiot. Du sprichst davon aus, als wäre es eine echte Sache. Wir mussten sie in eine Lotion öffnen, um sie sauber zu machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, ja. Ja. Aber um das im Special zu machen, weil als ich den ersten Special begonnen habe, war es so, oh, er hat eine ganze Stunde gemacht, das ist so rar. Aber dann habe ich plötzlich gemerkt, dass es ein Multimedia-Event ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Nicht, dass ich Respekt in irgendeinem Sinne verloren habe. Die Art, wie du den Term Event und Kursiv heute benutzt hast, mag ich wirklich. It packs a wallet. I'll tell you this though, this experience with that special. That blew a lot of... With hell. Yeah. I don't know if you felt this with your first legit special or whatever. I felt like I had to do an inversion of what a special is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I felt like I had to flex the freak. And now that I've put that out with all that crazy, the puppetry and all that stuff and all the choices, now I'm feeling freer in...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I've always felt kind of... Well, you do a lot of things, so your special was going to engage all of your things. For me, I'm of the school of sort of like, you can't really reinvent the special. No, you can. You can barely invert it. You think you can. A straight stand-up special. You know, which is not exactly what you do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But the only time I saw it successfully inverted, and no one talks about it, and they should, is that last Adam Sandler special that Safdie directed.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, the one that was shot in Glendale. Yes. Yeah, yeah. He inverted the straight stand-up special. Completely with the fuck-ups and everything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, because I really don't think he knew what was coming. I think he trusted Josh. Like, I've not talked to either of them, but it really seems to me that Josh was like, you know, just trust me. All of a sudden there's a dog in the room. I'm sure the Safdies are shaking the building outside. They knew that Adam could do it. I think it's just the one Safdie. It's not Benny, it's Josh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I just thought the vibe of it was really kind of interesting. Just to have Schneider come out and do Elvis for no reason.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Er ist so verrückt. Seine Leidenschaft für Schneider ist wirklich, ich meine, seine Leidenschaft für alle ist einfach wirklich wunderschön. Er ist eine wunderschöne Person. Also okay, also du hast es umgekehrt. Oh, ich dachte, ich habe einen Inferiorität-Komplex, weil ich ein Comedy-Studio habe. Ich habe immer gefühlt, als wäre ich nicht genug seltsam. because of that thing. What thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I have this innate feeling that I'm not strange or anything. As a performer, I mean. I'm afraid of being too normcore. And so now, when I made Hell, I feel like I've been liberated of that kind of albatross around my neck, of flexing kind of the avant-garde. And so now that's why I'm feeling like a return to stand-up. It's so lovely. I feel like I can communicate so much
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, du hast es aufgelöst. Hattest du das Musik-Ensemble? War das in Hell oder war das das erste? Da hattest du die Lumineers? Das war das erste. Die Lumineers kamen auf. Du hattest dieses andere Teil deines Seins. Ich weiß nicht, woher es kam. Vielleicht war es Skidmore, vielleicht war es Interesse, die du aufnehmen konntest.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich denke, die Herausforderung ist, dass wenn du die Avantgarde in irgendwas genießt, that it's avant-garde for a reason. So how do you temper that? Your interest in it and your desire to be part of it and still have an audience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, that's the thing. At Skidmore especially, a lot of the theater hid behind abstraction and therefore was not inclusive. And that is the beauty of what Rick Jenkins taught me at the studio. The goal, I'm never trying to be like... Don't come in. I'm trying to be as open to it. I get pissed when people don't understand, but the goal is clarity and inclusion. Yeah, but you like that stuff. I do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So the challenge was, how do I integrate this into an audience that's not just this culty people that like fucked up things for fucked up reasons. That gets old.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Just like, you know, I can't even, I'll think about what I thought I did wrong or what I could have done better or I'll just think about like, are my cats okay? Or I'll think about what if the car gets, you know, a flat tire. I'll think like, it's crazy, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It does, because then they expect it of you. And you're hitting the same buttons. That's right. And if they come to expect something from you, that's what's so exhausting about this, is that you have to keep leading people. You have to keep leading your audience and surprising and taking these new turns that they luckily condone with, I think, an audience that loves you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I'm sure you feel this way. They will go with you. Sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Until I get that weird thing where I'm like, I don't want them to like me anymore. Yeah. I'm going to take a few minutes and challenge them to like me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Do you ever hear a crowd laugh and you don't like the way they laugh and you don't want to keep making them laugh because you don't like the sound?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Sure. That happens to me sometimes. That crowd was too easy. I didn't get any work done.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, or if they're like, I did a, I referenced Little Women and they cheered and I was like, oh, it's going to be that kind of a night. Right, right, the highbrow.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, yeah. No, but do you have them? You have them. Well, hopefully. Yes, yes. I thought that like in that first special, the woman that helped you on stage, I'm like, there's got to be, That's got to be a third of his audience. Oh, oh, 95%.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
No, like you wouldn't believe. That moment where she turned around and did her claws. All right, they're all, they're all jungle cats. Oh yeah, no, no, I mean, sometimes I look out and it's the way that's, even just, people just look exactly, it's just a lot of women, this haircut. Yeah, sure. These glasses.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, I think what's also one of the sort of keys into Oh, diese Art von abuserblichen Beziehungen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich denke, du hast einen Raum voll von diesen Frauen. Absolut. Absolut. Absolut. Viele, ähm, viele schöne Leute mit Tattoos. Klar. Nein, nein, ich verstehe. Weißt du, was ich meine? Von Massachusetts, ich bin immer überrascht, wenn ich jemanden sehe, der Tattoos hat und auch schön ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You know, anything I'm heading into, like even, you know, today when I'm traveling, I'm like, oh man, am I going to be, you know, what boots should I wear? Do I want to deal with taking them off? Is it worth it to wear them? It's just like it's nonstop, dude. And it's gotten worse.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, ich meine, was es wirklich ist, ist das Art-Nerd-Spektrum. Ja, oh. Das ist, was du bekommst. Die Kunstschule-Kleinheit. Wenn du die Kunstschule-Kleinheit hast, denke ich, du machst etwas richtig. Ja. You are, until they're sort of like, no, he kind of did that same thing last year.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, that's the beauty about being underrated also. Or if you pop too much. Being underrated is fantastic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, where are you at with your popularity? I'm underrated.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah. I think I'm still, I'm kind of creeping. But you can sell out in a small theater kind of deal? I just did the Wilbur 3 shows. That's a lot. Yeah, that was the most I've ever done. I'm definitely doing the best I've ever done right now with crowds. That's great. Yeah. What do you think is bringing them mostly? Everything? Just the clips on Instagram. Yeah? From Largo. Really? Oh yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
That's all. That's what's happening. I've seen the craziest... Reactions. Spike. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, that's great. Do you do that ever? Do you just post? I have a guy doing it and it's mostly older stuff. But it does get people introduced. Because I'm still relatively unknown.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
We're in a bubble. In the big picture. So when I see a clip get out there, Und jetzt sind es wie diese alten Clips von mir, die über Trump in den ersten Termin sprechen. Also bekomme ich viele Trollen und viele Leute, die denken, dass ich jetzt darüber rede. Ja. Aber ich mache nur 10, 15 von realen politischen Sachen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Aber es gibt eine ganze Menge von Sachen auf Instagram, die ich einem Mann bezahlen muss, um es zu finden. Ich habe diesen Mann, der Zach Woods macht. A-10? Ja. Zach ist gut. Wie geht es ihm?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Er ist. Ja. Wer ist der Kerl, den du in deinen Videos manchmal nutzt, der so ein Schauspieler ist? Matty Carteroppo. Ja, er ist lustig. Er ist so lustig. Er war in Reservation Dogs. Ja, ja, ja. Aber ich denke, die Sache mit Instagram mit diesen Reels ist, dass man sich ständig mit neuen Leuten erinnert. Und was für mich spannend ist, wenn du dich umschaust, ist, dass jeder nur auf Instagram ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Es fühlt sich fast an wie ein Rückkehr zu, ich will nicht sagen Monokultur, aber es scheint, dass es kleiner wird. Ja, wenn du es rauskommst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It's kind of fun. Well, I think most of my audience that I have now, a lot of them are from the live Instagrams I did during COVID. Those were legendary.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah. Like half your forehead would be in some of the shots.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah, and it's just me walking around my house for an hour. Yes. And I've got a lot of like interesting kind of sensitive, smart, middle-aged ladies who are a bit angry and they come out and they drag men to it. Das ist das Gleiche. Die Mannschaften sind immer... Oder Freundinnen. Mein Publikum ist wie ein dritter Frauen, die sind wie, oh ja, er hat darüber gesprochen am anderen Tag.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And I think a lot of that is because like there's something about living in a world where there's actual things to be afraid of on the daily. And, you know, I think some part of my brain in order to find peace wants to overwhelm that with my own fears. I want to own it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und dann ein dritter Mann, der so sagt, das ist der Kerl, oder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah. But then you win them over in the end.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Most of the time. I actually had an experience recently where I think a woman brought a man to spite him. Oh, completely. You can see in their faces. There was a couple right up front and I'm doing stuff reacting to Trump and the guy said something like, that's right. And I'm like, why are you here? This isn't for you. And then I look at this woman and I go, did you bring him? And she's like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich hatte eine Geburtstagsparty, wo der Mann separiert wurde. Und er war in der vorderen Runde. Ja. Und das ist ein trauriger Kerl in einer Partyhatte. Ja. Er schreit durch mein ganzes Set.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So viel, dass ich klar fragen musste. Ja. Ich weiß. Was geht da los?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja. Und sie pauten. Die ganze Zeit. Ja. Das gleiche mit dem Trump-Kind. Er saß da und... Right up front. Und er schaute überall, aber auf der Bühne. Ich liebe das. Ja. Ja, und er schaut in sein Handy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wie ihre Haare, wie ihre Haare nur durch die Tatsachen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ja, sie warten nur auf das nächste Ding, was nicht passieren wird. Es ist die nächste Nacht. Ja, ja, es wird die ganze Nacht da sein. Ja. Nun, ich bin froh, dass du so gut machst. Und ich denke, dass das, was du tust, interessant und wichtig ist. Es gibt mir Hoffnung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Wow, Marc. Oh mein Gott. This is truly an honor. This was a thing I always dreamed of doing as a young comedian. And so I can't believe that you've had me here. How do you feel about it? Okay? You think we covered enough? I think I was expecting the reckoning when you brought up the reckoning. I was way more nervous. But you were gentle and lovely. Well, I got no beef with you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It wasn't that kind of reckoning. Can I tell you something? Yeah. Okay. I was so scared of you. Yeah. Before? Yes. Today? Before today. Okay. But then I listened to the audience. And this is a good exercise for anyone who doesn't. Okay. So I listened to you talking to Ariana Grande.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und was mich weniger Angst vor dir machte und sehr humanisierend war, war der Punkt, an dem du mit ihr erzählen wolltest, dass du auch vegan warst. Ja. Und in Wahrheit, ich habe ein... Okay. Ich habe das gedreht. Ich habe ein Beat dazu. Oh gut, lass uns das hören. Ich denke, dass das... Ist es ein Ariana-Beat? Nein, es ist mein eigenes Beat. Oh. Das ist... Das könnte ein Hot-Track-Markt sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Okay. Ein Duett mit... Das ist Marc Maron und Ariana Grande. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
That's going to do numbers. Put it out there. It's out there. Oh, it is. No, no, no. After this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It's going to be out there. You just put a picture of me and Ariana with whatever. And it's called Yeah, I'm Vegan, too. Yeah. I think I like the idea that there's a vulnerability, but also a desperate attempt at connection. Exactly. Yes, I can feel it. I've been humbled lately with that. And I don't mind that people notice it. It's beautiful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You know, I want to sort of tamp down the actual things that should be making me frightened and just generate things in my immediate mind and life that I can make more frightening. Maybe, I don't know, now I'm psychoanalyzing myself. The point of this was... I went to a psychiatrist and we did the evaluation. And it was very interesting, because it's been a long time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Because after Fine Arts showed me the cut of the doc, which is, you don't get to see yourself from another point of view for an hour and a half. I wouldn't allow that, by the way, what you allowed. Yeah, but so when it was over, I just had really two notes. One was like, Jesus, man, you make me look like this, you know, cranky, sensitive guy who succeeded despite himself. Und Steven sagt, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und die ganze Sache, meine Pantien fallen runter. Es ist wie eine B-Story von meinen Pantien. Deine Pantien fallen runter? Sie fallen immer runter. Ist das, weil du arschlos bist? Nein, es ist, weil ich mich lieber mit meinen Pantien anziehen möchte, weil ich mich nicht an meinen Stomach fühlen mag. Ich hasse Pantien.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
So part of the plot is that you are always fixing your pants? Yeah, totally. Oh, I love that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It's a subtext. It's just, it is. And then the other note I had was he interviewed some people like, you know, Nate and Cross and Michaela Watkins. Well, she wasn't bad, but the comics, she's the best. The comics that he interviewed, they were just busting my balls. And I said, you talk to these people for 45 minutes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Can you just have one saying of respectful, nice thing as opposed to like, oh, Marin, you know, it's like we get enough of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Aber ich sage dir was, es ist, weil du ein kulturelles... Ich habe eine große Audition für etwas gemacht. Und ein Charakter, den jemand machte, war Marc Maron. Es war Marc Maron, der Sesame Street oder etwas machte. Das ist, wie du bekannt bist. Du bist ein Archetype. Oh, gut. Und das ist... Ich habe nicht den Anruf für das gemacht. Ich glaube nicht, dass man das macht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Einige können es nur versuchen, mich zu finden. Aber ich kann mir vorstellen, dass mein Manager sagt, nein, er wird nicht die Sesame Street Sache machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
No, it's because you are a staple. You have made it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Oh, good. I am a thing. I think I'm almost at the cusp of old eccentric of some kind. Like an archetype of some kind. Like an inventor. Yeah, exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I think Marin's still around. He's living in Ann Arbor. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. Yeah, he's building a craft. Yes, I've been working on it for years. He says it's seaworthy? Yeah, well, that would be a nice retirement.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Yeah. I finally finished the arc. Yeah, I could see you, yeah, like in the end of Shawshank, but with like an arc in like a swamp. Yeah, here we go. In like a, in some kind of. This will get me out of here. Humid place. Yeah. Good talking to you. Good, you too. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
There you go. I loved that conversation. I loved it. Again, you can see him live at Largo here in LA on April 24th and May 15th. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Okay, people, for full merit subscribers, we posted a bonus episode yesterday where I talked with Brendan about my experience watching the first public screening of Are We Good? The documentary about the past five years of my life. There's one thing where I'm at home after being in L.A., you know, probably before I went into rehab.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And I've never really been one for medication. I did a little bit back in the day to get out of my own way to process some other stuff. But I'm really sort of not about that. I'm more about sucking it up, living through it, and... So I told a little bit to this guy about my past and about my childhood and about, you know, things that have happened in my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I'm not sure when it was, but I was clearly like, you know, kind of being kind of dicey, you know, like dice clay-ish. I could see that, you know, my brain was pretty fucked. von allem, was ich in mir genommen habe. Und ich sah mich als einen Drogenkrieger. Und ich trinke Zigaretten. Und mein Haar war lang und verdammt. Und ich nehme diese Position, die nicht gewonnen wurde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Und wer will das überhaupt gewinnen? Es war alles eine Fabrikation, eine Persönlichkeitsfabrikation, um etwas zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Keine Kraft überhaupt. Okay, here's some guitar. I worked on this one. Okay. Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And I told him about, you know, what exactly I'm experiencing. And we did the depression survey. And I'm not depressed. I have some depression, but I'm not a depressive. Und nachdem ich viel darüber gesprochen habe, was ich durchgegangen habe, und er das durchgearbeitet hat, und er seine Erfahrungen mit bestimmten Dingen über Behandlung und so weiter, sind wir auf... I like it. That's it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
You want a name for the thing. Obsessional Anxiety. Yeah, I got a name for it. I always remember that scene in Ironweed, the movie, where Tom Waits says to Jack Nicholson, Doc says I've got cancer. And Jack says something to the, like, well, I'm sorry to hear that. He's like, I've never got something before. Well, fortunately I don't have that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
But the idea that you now have a name for it and then you have to decide whether that fits. I guess obsessional anxiety is somewhere in the OCD spectrum. He did not bring up ADHD, did not bring up generalized anxiety. And the way I heard it, I think it fits. And yesterday, or the day before yesterday, after I saw him, I actually felt better. Just knowing it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Just having the name, Obsessional Anxiety, I'm like, oh right, and I didn't have it that day, but it was back today. Now the decision is, as I was saying before but didn't finish, look, I've tried meditation, I've tried a lot of things. You know, recovery, meditation, all this stuff. I have the tools. But they don't stop it for the long haul. And I haven't stayed disciplined around it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And yes, I drink a lot of coffee. And yes, I'm on nicotine. That has to exacerbate it. But the fact that this has been with me my whole life. And that I always thought that it was just part of the human brain that everyone has. When this doctor told me, he's like, no, some people can turn that off. I'm like, come on. And I'm a fairly, you know, self-aware, educated guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
The idea that there are people that don't experience this, that can just stop it. I'm like, what can we do? I'd like to experience life without it, if that's possible. And Well, he told me that, you know, there's SSRIs that they use for anxiety, you know, and there's some other, there's this thing called electromagnetics, I think it's TMS.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Right, right. Yeah, yeah, that's what's happening. Today... It's interesting, because today I talked to Chris Fleming. He's a comedian. He does a pretty big act. There's music involved. Sometimes there's live musicians on stage. But mostly, he's a stand-up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And I'd heard about this other drug, Buspirin or Buspirin or whatever, because I talked to a couple of people with anxiety who had tried that. And I'm like, what about that, the Buspirone or whatever? He goes, look, well, that's a good place to start. If you don't want to jump into the electromagnetic thing, the TMS or whatever it's called.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And I don't want to take SSRIs, because my experience with them is they deaden the edges. You know, they kind of fog the edges of yourself. And I'm not going to do them. But he said this, Busporin might be a place to start because it really deals with one receptor. But the fact of the matter is, it's a 50-50 thing. It might work. It doesn't work for a lot of people. If it does work, it's great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
If it doesn't, but it's kind of a 50-50 thing. And I'm like, well, fuck it. And he says, it doesn't stay in your system. It doesn't have any long-term implications. Side effects are not that bad. You know, maybe you start with that. I'm like, all right. Well, I'm willing to try because I'd like to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
He was very clear about the way the brain works and, you know, what's established when you're a child and how that dictates in some ways or the relationship between that and your neurotransmitters or your brain chemistry and how like there are some things that are at the core of who you are that, you know, are really unchangeable and they are probably unchangeable. Das ist ein großer Vorteil.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Okay, so let's get into this. Chris Fleming. His most recent comedy special, Hell, is streaming on Peacock for people in the LA area. He'll be at Largo on April 24th and May 15th. And I am a new fan. This is me talking to Chris Fleming.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
And the odd thing about Chris is that I'd seen clips of him here and there, and I know there's a generation or two younger than me that he's sort of in this scene with Kate Berlant, Hannah Einbinder, these comics that are... I guess you would have called them alt, but for me... A lot of times if somebody is doing the job, they're a comedian. But I didn't know who he was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
It becomes just an exchange of statements after a while. Yeah, it does. I mean, I don't mind having real conversations, but it's very hard not to just lock into, you know, people want to hear that story or this story. And then you're like, all right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Well, it's also, you were trained to do, you know, in the Carson days, I imagine the five to seven minute set, right? And now you have to do two hours, you're stretching two hours every week. Well, but they're not sets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
I mean, by the time I started it, it was kind of easing out of Carson. It was more about Letterman. But yeah, it was a five to six minute thing. That was a thing we had to figure out. I'm sorry, I said Carson. No, it's all right. He was around. Das wollte ich nicht sagen. Aber an diesem Punkt war er auf seinem Weg. Carson war für mich keine Wahl. Okay. Und ich war ein Anti-Leno-Typ.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Natürlich warst du das. Ja, aber Letterman war definitiv der Typ.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich habe gehört, Leno war ein bisschen alt, bevor er... Ist das falsch? Ich weiß nicht, ob das wirklich so ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1627 - Chris Fleming
Ich glaube, er wurde als Comic respektiert. Okay. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich... Ich weiß nicht, ob alt... Was war alt? Ich meine, es gab drei ALT-Mann, und sie waren Verrückte, die jeder schon wusste. Die sich von der Gruppe entfernen. Ich glaube, der Anfang von ALT war wahrscheinlich Bruder Theodor.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Because we don't travel, and there's not a lot of crossovers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I will tell you, after watching the last special and both seasons of the show, my appreciation for hummus and olive oil has taken, it's a new depth. I have new depth. Well, you know, I always liked it, but it's so omnipresent in both the special and the shows. I'm like, holy fuck, I've really got to consider this in a real way now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ich verstehe relativ gut den puristischen Ansatz. Als ich in Astoria war, ging man nach dem ägyptischen Ort und sie geben dir Hummus. Und du sagst, ich kann es nicht, egal welchen Ernährungsprozessor ich habe. Ich kann es nicht in diese Texturen bringen. There's like no way I can get it this smooth. And I get obsessed with it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
And even watching your show, I'm like, what is this special grinder that's going to get it this smooth?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
So you just go lemon juice, tahini and that's it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, but no garlic in the hummus. I prefer no garlic. But is that a purist thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
People will do anything if you tell them it'll work.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Oh, I just had the Persian food. What'd you have?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king. And that is, that's diplomatic in terms of, you know, where we're at now. But old Hunter knew what he was talking about. Gonna go back and read some of those books. So, I don't know, man. Today I'm here. I'm here. And I'm aware. And I'm trying to figure out a way through, day to day, figure out how I can help, what I can do. Who needs help?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, yeah. Well, it all seems to cross over a little bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
This is what you do. It's literally the B-Story of both seasons of... Ja, es ist fantastisch. Wenn es gut gemacht wird. Nein. Auch der schlechteste persische Ort macht es gut. Jetzt muss ich fragen, ob Foul persisch ist?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Genau, aber jetzt muss ich seine Integrität fragen. Ja, das mache ich. Was ist die Geschichte von Foul?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Das erste Mal, als ich Fuhl hatte, war an einem Ort in Boston. Ich glaube, es war ein ägyptischer Ort. Es war ein Hukka-Platz, was ein weiteres Thema ist, was du alles tust.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ja, ja, ja. Ich liebe es, Mann. Nein, es ist das Beste. Ja, und wenn du vegan bist, ist es großartig. Aber wie ist das persische Kaffeesalat? Das ist das fucking Beste.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
You get used to it. The combo of the fool and the cabbage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
So, this is a good conversation for me to have with you around, like I imagine the first season. So the first season came out, what, 2023? 22.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Es ist einfach passiert. Aber wie, in der Nacht des 7. Oktober...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It's not a good joke. What show was I just watching? Was that your show? About the September 11th thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
No, but I saw some show where somebody induced labor on the 10th so they wouldn't have a September 11th baby. I can't remember what it was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Good for you. But when that happened, what were your feelings then on that day in terms of Palestinian Americans and what was happening? How did you feel on that day? Uh,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
How can I help them? That kind of stuff. Being charitable, being decent, being respectful, having tolerance, having empathy. Stay on top of it, will you? Stay on top of it. Today, actually, I get to have a real conversation about real global things with Mo Ammer. He's a comic with two stand-up specials on Netflix. He was a cast member on the series Rami.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Und auch, wie? Ja, genau. Yeah, and then there's the stories about Netanyahu knowing about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Das ist es, wie du gesagt hast, als Palästinenser, das passiert und plötzlich schaut jeder nach dir.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Und dann, als die versuchte Verbrechung der palästinensischen Bevölkerung von diesem Punkt an auf behalf von Israel weitergeht, was klar eine hämische moralische und menschliche Tragödie ist, die sie ausgesetzt hat, um die palästinensische Bevölkerung klar zu zerstören, dann bin ich als Jude, die Leute sind wie, was denkst du?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
You know, like, well, I'm a Jew. I live in Los Angeles. Right, right. But, you know, you're kind of put in this position, you know, to make these statements. I'm like, I'm a comic. Exactly. You know, because once it becomes political, especially stateside, that people need to be validated in their points of view that you are with them. Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Als öffentlicher Person ist es erwartet von dir. Aber dann kommst du in eine Zone, wo du, wenn du nicht vorsichtig bist, wie du darüber sprichst, auf jeder Seite, du wirst ein Repräsentant von etwas. Genau. Und selbst wenn das, was du sagen wirst, nicht unbedingt Probleme lösen wird, ist es so, dass die Menschen die Verbindung brauchen. Also validieren sie ihren eigenen Ansatz.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Es gibt kein Verzeihung der verdammten, schrecklichen Massaker und Angelegenheit auf der Seite von Israel in Bezug auf die Palästinenser. Aber wenn du den Dialog startest, auf welcher Plattform du hast, wirst du erwartet, dass dieser Dialog jeden Tag weitergeht. Genau, du bist es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ja, weil ich mich darüber gefragt habe. Du bist im Schatten dieser Sache, aber deine Wahl, und ich denke auch auf der Bühne, dich als Palästinenser zu identifizieren, bis zu dem Punkt, wo du im zweiten Special sagst, dass weiße Amerikaner nichts vor Amerikaner tun müssen. Oder Arab-Amerikaner. Aber es gibt diese Bedürfnis, als Amerikaner, You know, you are an American. Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
He's got his own series on Netflix called Mo, which is now in its second season. And it's terrific. You know, I welcome and I completely consume and learn from television series created by artists who are of a certain background that is not necessarily contextualized culturally. Good examples are Sterling Harjo and Rami Youssef. These are things, the world of The Reservation,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
So the community that you have both, you know, with peers and with your Palestinian family as Americans is the story. Right? So, and the way I thought you handled it in the second season, you know, because the tensions have always been there. There's never been a time in your life or my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Und dadurch kannst du die historische und die ständige Bedrohung und Tänzung beantworten, weil deine Familie in der Show in der Westbank ist, richtig?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Das ist verdammt horrend. Und ich dachte, dass die Art und Weise, wie du das in der Show verhandelst, gut war, weil es es persönlich gehalten hat, dass du endlich da rüber kommst. Ja, das ist meine echte Erfahrung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Und dann hast du es mit, es ist nicht mal die israelische Armee, es sind die verdammten Siedler. Richtig. Ja, jetzt werde ich in Probleme kommen, wenn ich nur sagen werde, verdammte Siedler, außer wenn es irgendwelche, du weißt. Imo Amber hat nicht gesagt, verdammte Siedler. Nein, ich bin nur verrückt. And this is not my real last name.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
No, but I mean, it kept the conflict and the reality of the conflict personal. It had to be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
That there was a negotiation. Exactly, exactly. But now you have aunts that still live in your house in the West Bank?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
You know, I knew nothing about. I just didn't. And maybe that's on me. And Rami's experience as an Arab Muslim here in the States was unique to me in terms of what that community was like, what that what that the struggles within the community, his struggles with Islam, all that stuff. in terms of how these communities live in this country.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, and like, just not to make any comparison in any way, but, you know, it's that the association that happened, you know, immediately and implicitly on the left was that, you know, Jews are Israelis. That there was no, you know, like, and it's the other way around. Israelis are generally Jews. But Jews, diaspora Jews, you know, it's a complicated thing to understand, given what you're taught.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
And that's where it sort of, you know, kind of It was kind of bizarre that it kind of moved into almost anti-Semitism, that any Jew is aligned with this annihilation of Palestinians.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I'm not equipped to really speak to the history of it, but ultimately I thought you depicted it in a very honest and visceral way so that people even like me or anybody else can understand the way of life and the cultural history. Because the cultural history Even as a Jew is fragmented. Very few people have a real sense of historical community.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
And I think that what comes across in the series, both seasons, is not... The way that religion is... Es ist nicht wie Rami's Show. Rami hat eine Krise der Glauben. Er spricht über Religion, aber in deinem Show ist es nur ein Gewinn. Ja, es ist. Es ist eine unverbrechliche Glauben. Es ist anders. Es ist eine feine Linie zwischen...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Richtig. Ja, weil, wie Sekularismus in meiner Meinung ist, dass du dich als Religion identifizierst, aber wie, ja, ich gehe nicht in den Moskau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ich gehe nicht zur Kirche. Du bist kulturell jüdisch, aber religiös vielleicht nicht. Wir kommen immer noch in die Moskau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Aber auch in Gebeten. Es ist wunderschön, dass es alles inklusive ist. Im Anfang jeder sozialen Interaktion.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
And with Mo's series, he's a Palestinian-American and comedian and his family is Palestinian. And what they've lived with and been through and what they hold on to historically, traditionally and familially in terms of being in this country is was an eye-opening, mind-blowing experience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
And this is like all the friends you grew up with and from the community.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It's amazing because I read a book recently about the fact that There is no cultural adhesive anymore for people from anywhere because even people from places don't necessarily have a community. They may have a history or they may have something that they came from.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
And we were able to really kind of have a discussion about that, about his life, about Palestine, about American Palestinians and, you know, I as a Jew and Mo as a Palestinian. But the bottom line is, and oddly the most important thing about the conversation, is that we're both comedians. And we both love comedy and have a personal history with comedy and some heroes in common.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
But I think what's great about your show and what you're talking about is that the connection to the people that you come from is active. And also you have a community here. So it runs deep. Absolut. Und für, du weißt, für Jahrhunderte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ja, das ist auch interessant, dass Hakeem einen Weg darstellt, um deine kulturelle Identität zu behalten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Der Fakt, dass jede Bildung oder Position, die sie hielten. Ich hatte einen Landwirt in Queens. Ja. Well, I think he was Colombian and he was a dentist in Colombia. And he was now the landlord because he owned this building. And if your oven would fuck up, he'd come in and be like, you know, if it was a mouth, I could fix it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Es ist so süß, dass die zweite Szene ihn durch die ganze Zeit erfreut hat. Das war so die Destination der Sache, um deine Leute zu erfreuen und dann deinen Vater zu erfreuen. Absolut. Weil diese Szene in der Moschee, wo du den Anruf der Gebet machen musst, ist lustig, aber auch süß.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
That was a whole... Like miracle. Was the encounter with the Israeli customs guy real?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It's kind of interesting that you went out of your way to... I don't know if it was driven by empathy, but you humanized even the worst of the people in the show. Did I really? A little bit. I mean, you like, well, not specifically that guy with the VHS tape, but certainly the person, the woman asking the questions. Sure, yes. And you did it by making them comedic characters. Yeah, yeah, I had to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
So that makes them a real person as opposed to this fucking monster.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
But we are able to talk about the other stuff. Look, I talk about things. I talk about my fears. I talk about the politics of this country. Look, I knew and know what's going on in Gaza is awful. And I've stated that. But I do get a little preoccupied with what's in my own backyard in terms of
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Think what it could be without all this nonsense. I don't know that people, because people are so brain fucked,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Das ganze Ding ist ein Setup. Ja, also du hast das als deine Foundation gestellt und es durch dein Leben gedreht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ja, ja, ja. Ich glaube nicht, dass du Sam klingelst. Nein, ich meine, als ich 17 war, klingelte ich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It's interesting how many comics that, and I didn't see it until later, but Bill Cosby himself, that special. Well, they showed it in my school also.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, it's sort of an astounding, because that approach to stand up, you know, which that, you know, Regrettably, he is who he is, but that special changed my approach. Jokes are important, but stories are all jokes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
The ongoing shift from democracy into some sort of competitive authoritarianism, which is a documented term that you should probably look up. There's been some articles about it. It's sort of what Hungary is and what Hungary became through that autocrat, Viktor Orban. Damn, dude. Damn. Well, you know, Tesla has an iron lung available.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
That's interesting that it saved your life. Because who the fuck knows? If you weren't able to process that grief, who the hell knows?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I just got here. Yeah, shit is funny. What are you talking about? Yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Well, that was also like Ron White probably was around. I'm not sure. Ron White was around, yeah. He was more a last stop, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, he was more a last stop. But T. Sean had a brother, too, that did stand-up, I think. Yeah, Charlie Shannon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew T. Sean.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ich glaube, er ist verabredet. Ich weiß es nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Er hat Bücher geschrieben. Er war irgendwie da. Aber ich habe seinen Namen noch nicht gehört oder mit ihm gesprochen. Ich glaube, er ist nach seinem Bruder gestorben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ja, vielleicht ist er wieder in Texas. Vielleicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ich muss sehen. Ich bin sicher, dass jemand ihn hat. Ja, meistens, wenn wir diese Gespräche haben, wird jemand anrufen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It's pretty, you know, it's kind of weird looking, but it's bulletproof. That's good. And wait a couple of years. So how was Paris? You know, I haven't been there since it's been part of Russia. Yeah, these are all possible questions. Have you gone to Canada lately? Yeah, they won't let Americans in. I guess rightfully so. Yeah, it's all gonna get more and more exciting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, well, it's amazing that you were able to see. It's a real gift, because when I was a doorman at the Comedy Store at 23, you know, in the 80s, I got to see all these dudes. That's amazing. Und es ist ein Leichtchanger, weil man kann alle verschiedenen Stile sehen. Man kann sehen, dass es wirklich auf dich geht. Du kannst alles tun, was du willst. Einfach es herausfinden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Und, weißt du, wenn du einen Mann gelehrt hättest, was hättest du von ihm gelernt? Wie hat er dich durch die Pace genommen? Ja, ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I think a lot of comedians don't. I end up locking in on one poor fuck.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ich habe gerade ein paar alte Sachen von mir gesehen, weil ein Junge über mich geredet hat. Und ich habe ihm all diese alten Videos gegeben, die ich jahrelang nicht gesehen hatte. Das ist großartig. Und ich sehe diese Teile von mir in meinen Zwanzigern und denke mir so, ich hatte all diesen Swagger. Ja. Aber es gab keinen... Es gab keinen Witz. Es gab keinen Daumen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Es war einfach so, wer habe ich mir vorgestellt zu sein? Das ist richtig. Also musst du da rein. Aber wenn ich es sehe, denke ich mir, oh mein Gott, wer denke ich, dass ich bin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, he did. I knew Freddy Asparagus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jimmy Pineapple used to be one of those guys.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Wer war der andere, der mit ihnen rumging? Was war das? Stevie Epstein? Epstein?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ich musste überleben. Das ist das, was wenn jemand sagt, ich habe einen Job und ich verstehe, ich bin nicht wirklich. Nein, natürlich nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Du bist ein Verlierer. Ja, es ist verrückt. Du wirst es nie machen. Ich war einfach glücklich, dass ich angefangen habe, als ich hier als Doorman war, und ich mich auf Drogen verletzt habe und zurück nach Boston ging. Und das war ein ganz... Das ist ein guter Spot. No, you can't do anything. Und sie sind alle in einem Ort.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Aber ich gehe zu diesen verdammten Hellgigs, One-Nighters, und ich muss eine halbe Stunde machen. Du musst. Und so, nach ein paar Jahren von dem, war ich bereit, eine Headline zu machen. Ja. Aber es war, und ich danke Gott, dass ich das ganze Opener-Middle-Kind-of-Thing verhindert habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
But the bottom line is, for me, it's understanding, you know, what is happening to the best of my ability with real facts and adjusting to that. And then hopefully... As we move into this, figure out how we can resist in a way that's not just personal or self-centered or self-righteous in terms of the small things you can do in your life to push back.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It gives you a sense of graciousness, too. It's your job to hold the show together. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Also, als du mit Chappelle gearbeitet hast, warst du auch National-Headliner. Ja, ja, ja. Du bist schon lange da gewesen. Aber hat das die Karriere-Trajectorie verändert?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Because I don't know how much that really affects anything. I got a friend of mine who's boycotting Amazon. All right, well, good luck with that. Good luck with it. Boykotting Whole Foods. Good luck with it. I don't know if that's going to make a big difference, but if it makes you feel better, I guess that's not nothing, but actually it might be nothing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ja, Danny war so wie, das ist, wie du als Club-Comic arbeitest.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Look, I'm in Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel this Thursday, February 20th. Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater this Friday, February 21st. Louisville, Kentucky at the Baumhart Theater Saturday, February 22nd. And Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House on Sunday, February 23rd. Back at Largo. Hier in Los Angeles am Dienstag, Februar 25th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Das waren die Märkte. Ich glaube, ich habe in Amsterdam gearbeitet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Ich habe bemerkt, besonders als du in Houston gedreht hast, dass es wunderschön ist, dass du eine große arabische Gemeinschaft hast, die sich zeigt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Because in the show I'm like, wow, you're really fucking nosy. No, no, no, I do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
But that must be helpful when you're performing in Houston. It's great when I'm performing anywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I gotta show Santa Barbara, and then I do San Luis Obispo, and then I do Monterey. Gonna take Blair Saki. Oh, that's dope.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Im März werde ich in Oklahoma City am Tower Theater am Dienstag, März 6th. Dallas am Majestic Theater am Freitag, März 7th. Houston am White Oak Music Hall am Dienstag, März 8th. Und San Antonio am Empire Theater am Sonntag, März 9th, bevor ich in den Südwesten kam. Dann komme ich nach Süd-Carolina, Illinois, Michigan, Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire, New York City.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Good to see you, man. Good to see you. Das war's für heute. Bis zum nächsten Mal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
We've got new outtakes from recent episodes available for full Marin listeners. You can hear stuff that didn't make it into the shows I did with Ariana Grande, Demi Moore, James Mangold and Bill Burr. I still like the guy. Just some people turn a certain way. You know, you hold on to what's good and you let go of the other stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Dann am Ende von meinem Spezial-Taping. Geht zu WTFpod.com für alle meine Dates und Links zu Tickets. Okay? Ich sage dir, es ist lustig. Ich spreche mit Mo Ammer. Ich kannte ihn ein bisschen, aber ich kannte ihn nicht wirklich. Er ist ein Texaser. Wir konnten also in diese Geschichte hineingehen. of Texas Comedy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
You know, I was sort of involved in some ways with the legacy of that through Kennison and I'm back into the original Houston Outlaws. But Hammer's been doing it a while and he's been doing it since he was a kid. So it's kind of wild to share these stories These American comedy histories about places you came up in, if they have a comedic personality or profile or backstory. So that was good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It's all very weird entertainment business right now. I watched that SNL 50 and it's just... I don't know, man. That was quite a room full of people there. That was quite an audience outside of the people that have been on the show. Man, that just must have been a battle of the publicists to get people into those seats, the ones who wanted them. And yeah, I looked at that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I looked at show business. I looked at all of them in one room and fucking Keith Richards was there, which always makes me happy when he's sitting anywhere, to be honest with you. But there were a lot of people in there and I'm looking at him. I'm like, oh, my God. Das ist das Gesicht der Resistenz. Wir müssen das Ding breiten. Wir müssen die Leute da rausnehmen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Die Leute sind da rausgekommen, was ermutigend ist. Aber auch die Leute werden so alt. Es ist schwierig. Ich weiß nicht, dass ich mir alt fühle und ich werde alt. It was quite stunning that Garrett Morris got out there and sat in a chair and he almost looked like a character Garrett Morris was playing. He was playing an old Garrett Morris. And that conversation I had with him was kind of amazing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
But I do like seeing everybody in the room and having a good time. And some of the stuff was funny. But Jesus Christ, I mean, come on. Eddie Murphy doing Tracy Morgan outside of Sandler's song was really probably the high point of that thing. It's kind of incredible when you see, anytime you see Eddie Murphy choosing to turn on the juice. You know, to be funny Eddie Murphy is always a treat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
So look, Mo Ammer is here. We get into it. But more than anything else, it's two comedians talking. One a Palestinian-American. And one, a Jew. It's just people. We're just humans. And this is me talking to Mo Ammer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck Nicks? What's happening? How's everybody holding up? How are you doing? How's that thing you went to see? What's going on with that thing on your hand? I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you lost your job. How are you doing with all the insanity weather-wise?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
So, I didn't realize you still live out there in Texas, in Houston.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
There's like that one place, like, when I go to Houston, I always like Houston, you know, more than the other places.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Well, there's so much fucking great art around, and then there's like this Indian place I eat at some mall.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
No, it's in like a fancy kind of shopping area. They do kind of a hip Indian thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Now that I'm vegan, I'm always... Oh, you love it. Oh, Pondicherry, that's what I'm thinking. Pondicherry, yeah, I know Pondicherry.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
It's a little hip, it's not traditional. It's good, no, no, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
That's the thing about Houston, it's so fucking huge and there's so many different kinds of people, it's crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Es ist die verschiedenste Stadt in Amerika. Das wollte ich gerade sagen. Ich wohnte in Queens, in Astoria.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, he just moved there. Ja, Ron Schock. Ron. Ron ist einer meiner All-Time-Favoriten. Ich habe ihn vor Jahren interviewt und dann ist er gestorben. Ron war ein bisschen lustig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Being up in Canada with him, he'd always be stocking up on those Tylenols with codeines. He'd get like a year's supply.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
My back. Yeah, whatever. You don't even need to complain in Canada. They're right there on the shelf. Well, that's nice. So, I can't remember, when did we meet? I remember having some moment where... We were on the same show together and I didn't even know you and I just looked at you and I'm like, fuck, do I gotta follow that guy? I don't know what he's gonna do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I don't know what he's gonna do, but it's gonna be big.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
How are you doing with the snow, the floods, the fires? How are you doing with all the insanity that's going on culturally, politically? What's happening? Are you holding it together? Are you eating correctly? Try to stay engaged in a way where you can manage it. Try and be realistic and adapt and figure out how to move forward because as old Hunter said,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
I watched both seasons of the show. You saw the second season?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
Yeah, it's great. The whole thing's great. Thank you. I love it because there's so much I don't know. I had the same experience watching Rami's show and I'm like, I didn't know about this. These Muslim guys are just living here. They got whole communities and lives. I just know how all guys. That's it. Easy on the hot sauce.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1619 - Mo Amer
But I just don't know, and I think it's a unique thing that the way of life and the community is represented. I felt that way when I watched Reservation Dogs. I'm like, how the fuck... We have this sense of what natives or Arabs are like, but you can't frame them in just a sort of ordinary context unless you know them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Das ist lustig, denn als sie mir die Rolle gefordert haben, sagten sie, er wolle Alan Berg spielen. Und ich dachte mir, wer sonst spielt Alan Berg?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yes. I mean, I absolutely knew who he was. I knew the story. At some point in my life I kind of looked into it and what happened. I think it was pre-Internet rabbit hole. But certainly I saw Boghossian's show and then the movie. And I think that probably when that came out, it elevated my... My fascination with Berg. But I knew of him, but I didn't know specifics.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And it turns out, even with the research that you did, there's not a lot there to go on. There's a bit of audio. And then there's just the, you know, who he is. So, but I was always sort of fascinated with the idea of it. You know, just a solitary voice that, you know, lodges in this ideological... Kind of, you know, that becoming a target.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And I thought, well, knock on wood, I thought, well, if I do this, maybe it won't happen in real life. I feel threatened, but I feel scared in general. I don't know how much of it's paranoia and how much of it's real. Obviously I'm not high on the target list as a guy who speaks his mind, but certainly when I go out into the world to do stand-up, I feel it. So I just thought that I had to do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I thought it was some sort of... serendipitous thing, beyond coincidence.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
No. And now with, you know, everybody's so accessible one way or the other. If somebody wants to get to you, it's pretty easy. And I think, you know, in light of your movie and then in light of However, they're framing or whatever this assassination of this health care CEO is that, you know, that's a that was a political assassination. It was a premeditated meant to have an impact.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And, you know, there's a many people think he's a folk hero or somebody who who. did something that finally needed to be done to raise awareness or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
But once people start taking these guns into their own hands for specific reasons, and you've covered both types of people in terms of your films, where you've got people who take up arms for psychological problems, and I guess ideology can be a psychological problem, but there's sort of an Agenda to that. And then you've dealt with just guys who kill people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
So I've been here at the power station in New York, where the actual recording sessions that were documenting in the movie took place. And I've never been here. And it's a fairly historical event. A lot of people have recorded here. But, you know, I got here on set. I've got a few lines, but, you know, I'm present in these scenes, you know, and I have sort of these moments with the two Jeromys.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
So, I don't know that you would have thought your movie, The Order, would necessarily be seen as a hero's journey.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Hast du einen solchen Reaktion zu dem, dass die Intention deiner Erscheinung dieses Mannes nicht darin war, ihn mit dieser Gemeinschaft zu erhöhen, die jetzt groß ist?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Well, yeah, this was like supposedly the minority, the margins, the dark underbelly of what we always knew. But there's an order in every small city now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Well, they were very stealth, you know, and this sort of marriage of, you know, religious activism and... You know, conservative politics, whatever that may be, that the right was, you know, slow and steady. It's not it didn't happen overnight. You know, the way it's all come together, you know, and now with this sort of influx of young man's. I do, I do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Ich denke, ideologisch und in Bezug auf unsere... Impulse to to to start shit for the right reasons. You know, I think I shared that with him because this is not a guy that was this was pre talk radio really, you know, in terms of the cultural impact of what talk radio become primarily on the right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And this guy was just, you know, a sort of righteous shit starter because none of the stuff that was in the script or even in his audios was not necessarily political. It was anti-racist and it was provocative, but I understood where he was going because I have that same DNA. So what I did try to do, and I noticed when I watched the movie, I did get it a couple of times.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And so I'm working with Jeremy Strong and Paul Walter Hauser is here as well and some other people I know and Jeremy... Alan White. I've talked to Hauser and I've talked to Strong on the podcast, so I feel like I know them a bit. But I've also talked to Bruce Springsteen on the podcast, but he and the actual John Landau are here. They're like here all day. So in between takes, it's really...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
He did have a slight Midwest thing going. And I did kind of do that prep work and I didn't know if it would come out, but it did a little bit. And that's all he had. A little bit of Chicago in there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Did you notice that? Yeah, yeah. And I was just happy that we were able to sort of get the look, because it was so jarring, the way he looked, because he had that head injury that he was trying to cover all the time. Yeah, yeah. With that hair. And I had the beard, so it wasn't really a big stretch to make it work. I was thrilled by the whole thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I watched it and I was like, you know, I felt good about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Thank you. It spoke to the time. Yeah. Right? So, you know, we had the leeway to do that. But like I've done sort of a half deep dive into some of the other work of yours. And this script, I mean, you know, I watched Nitram and I watched Murders. Snowtown. Snowtown Murders. And, you know, this script was really, you know, beat-to-beat narrative storytelling.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Whereas, like, it seems that, you know, maybe outside of Shakespeare, you're used to working with a little more space. Yeah. Where, you know, you're not, there's almost no expository space. In either of those movies, which are about murderers. And so approaching this thing outside of tone, you know, was it challenging or limiting?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Was war das, was du mit diesem Film erholt hast? Das seltsame ist, dass der Hauptmann, Hmm. Hmm. But he was a moral arbiter or saw himself as somebody who was acting in a moral way, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
an amazing thing okay it's there are moments where no matter how much i i may whine or complain or get you know anxious or neurotic about my life there are moments that i clearly have no choice but to go holy fuck this is kind of amazing i mean in between takes i'm like catching up with bruce the boss
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
War es, wie du es charakterisiert hast, dass das eine Stadt war, die von Pädophilen getröstet wurde? War es irgendein, ich habe nicht den Sinn der Szene der Stadt, was war es in deiner Meinung, waren es mehr Pädophilen als irgendeine normale Stadt?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Wie alt warst du, als die Mörder passiert sind?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And you think that started around those murders or around your childhood?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
War es desoliert? Ich habe den Sinn, dass auch in Nitram, in dieser Stadt, Es fühlte sich ein bisschen zerbrochen und verbreitet an. Ich hatte keinen Sinn für den Ort, außer dass es eine gewisse Anzahl an Armut gab und eine niedrigere Klasse Desperation, aber nicht so viel wie in Nitram.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Aber ich habe noch nicht, wie wenn er in dem Film bei der Waffe geht, wie dieser Typ, das ist ein guter Beispiel. Er sah wie ein guter Typ aus.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Obviously he remembers talking to me, but he's just there at Video Village, Scott Cooper's directing, but everyone's kind of sitting around. It's a long day and there's a lot of motion and people here and there. I've just taken as many opportunities as possible to be as seemingly casual as I can to engage Springsteen in conversation. It's been a real kick for
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Polen. Sie emigrierten dort? Ja, ja. Für welchen Grund?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
How do you get out? I mean, it sounds like your parents were not, he was a middle class guy, working class anyway. Working class, yeah. But things were taken care of, right? You guys did all right. Yeah. You made it by, you had love in the house and whatnot.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Wir wollten Tennis-Player sein. Aber die Kunst muss geblieben sein. Wenn er Gitarre spielt, wann startest du wirklich... come upon the vision to be involved with film.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yeah. But it just seems like there's a darkness to Australia. Ja, Andrew Dominic ist ein toller Filmmacher. Ja, und dann der Kerl, der den Stranger gemacht hat. Ja.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I don't know what life I'm living, but the fact that I have enough background with Bruce Springsteen just from interviewing him a while back, and this happens fairly frequently, I made enough of an impression where he remembers the conversation, so I can kind of pick up
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Ja. Ich meine, in ihrer Ursprung, wo die Leute herkamen, in der ersten Wave, waren sie Konvikt, richtig?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Und es gibt auch dieses Unterbelly, wie beim Zuschauen von Snowtown. Das eine Szenario, wo die beiden in der Höhle sind, die Weide trinken. Und er denkt, es wird ein Bombschalter sein. Und der andere Typ denkt, wer wird uns bomben?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
That there is a sense down there, when I was there, that there is, it's almost like, there's a little bit, it's Irish too, where it's just sort of like, you know, it's its own place. It's out of the fray of global politics. And there's sort of a kind of like, like literally a sort of down-under type of personality, where it's just sort of like, you know, we're fucking Australia.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
from a place that's familiar, and I'm just kind of hanging around in between takes, talking to Bruce Springsteen about open tunings, about John Mellencamp, about New Jersey, and it just, I don't know what to tell you. It's been an amazing experience for the day I've been here. So today, speaking of acting, I talked to Justin Kerzel, He's the director of The Order, which is out now.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yeah, it's menacing, man. I don't know, when I was watching Nitram, I don't know if I could take it. Yeah, yeah, right. And I was like, is this Australian? Because I don't know the sort of pace. And it seemed like pretty early on, you had sort of figured out your tone. Do you think that's true?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Also, was war dein erstes... Ich meine, Snowtown war das erste Feature, oder? Ja. Und die Shorts, was waren die Shorts?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Dude, I mean, in fucking Snowtown, which is out of nowhere, he walks out back and the guy's just hacking up a kangaroo. Like, as somebody who doesn't live there, I'm like, what are they doing? What is he doing? He's just killing a kangaroo? And then I thought, like, for meat? And then it just turns out to be for nothing, just to terrorize the guy across the street. Yeah.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Nobody was hacking him up. Was I wrong to assume that? You're telling me they just found two dead kangaroos on the road?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And as some of you know, I play Alan Berg, the Denver, Colorado talk radio host that was gunned down by The Order. People have been asking me what it was like to be shot, because it's a pretty brutal bit of business. I'm only in the movie for a few minutes, but I do have some mic time as a radio personality. And then I get out of my car in my driveway and I'm assassinated.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I guess we assume, were they wallabies or kangaroos? Kangaroos. And did you find them dead? No, we bought them.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And what do you think, like, you know, In all the movies that I mentioned, because like for me, because I guess I'm kind of engaged with psychological language. Like in Snowtown, you're watching clearly traumatized people, like broken people that are legacy trauma. But I would assume that in shooting this or in engaging with these characters, that that's not how you approach them.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
You approach them as who they are and this is their behavior. I don't know, as a director who deals in this type of psychological investigation, do you judge them? No.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
wow, they don't feel too distant from... Right, and also, but I thought what was fascinating about that movie, and in all the movies really, is that even once the people around them get a sense that they're off in perhaps, you know, an uncontrollable and murderous way, they make exceptions. They rationalize. Or they see them how they're going to see them.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Mit der amerikanischen Version eines Uzi. Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, was das Modell für diese Waffe ist. Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, was es heißt. Aber es war ein vollständiges, ich musste eine Jacket mit Squibs anziehen. Es war kein riesiger Budget-Film, aber sie hatten genug für zwei Jackets, die mit den Blut-Explosionen verpackt waren. Also mussten wir es wirklich knallen.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
That happens in the order a bit, but there's an ideology there. But it happened in Nitram with his parents and with Helen. And it happened in Snowtown with the mother, who knew better. I mean, right away you know her instincts are solid because of the guy across the street. But yet she still accepts this guy with that intuition, you know, knowing that, you know, he's bad fucking news.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Es ist fast so, als ob Shakespeare dir eine Karte gegeben hat, um den typischen männlichen Charakter zu besuchen, den du bereits interessiert hast.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Richtig. Aber ich glaube, das ist der Grund, warum ich ein hartes Zeitraum mit Shakespeare habe. Aber ich denke, dass die Leute, die wirklich etwas daraus bekommen, sind die Leute, die realisieren, dass die Humanität, der volle Spektrum der Humanität, in fast jedem der Spiele vorhanden ist. Ja, ja. Also war Macbeth definitiv ein Charakter, der auf deinem Alley war. Ja, definitiv.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Es war nicht zu weit weg von dem, was ich interessiert war. Und du hast es als Western gedacht. Bist du ein Western-Mann? Sind das die Filme, die am stärksten beeinflusst werden? Ja, die waren sehr stark in meiner Kindheit.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And I think we got it on the second one, thank God. And the blood was all over everything. It's very sticky. It's a sticky mess. It's a disturbing bit of business. But I didn't get to know Justin that well during the shoot, because I was, again, it was one of these parts where I was only there for a few days. But I think it was an impactful... Ja, genau. Until I started to dig into his catalog.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Aber ist das eine gemeinsame Sache, es als Western zu bezeichnen?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
But those are, you know, motifs. Those are the designators of Westerns.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yeah, well, I don't know that the audience is necessarily thinking this is a Western, but the structure is so ingrained in the cultural understanding of film that those story arcs, they hit a place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Warst du ein Fan von Westerns? Ja, es kam ein Zeitpunkt, in dem ich die Intelligenz des Films verstehen musste. Und Westerns sind ein großer Teil davon.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Und ich glaube, wie du es auch tust, dass viele Filme strukturell Westerns sind. Und dass die Idee, die die Direktorin spielt, dass dieser Typ in die Stadt kommt, um Dinge zu streiten oder einen Schmuck zu machen. Ja. Right? Yeah, yeah. But like, you know, I've watched some Westerns a lot.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
You know, The Searchers and, you know, the standard ones, Shane and, you know, some of the, you know, it's weird. One Western that really strikes me, a modern Western, like I can watch The Unforgiven anytime. Because to me that just loaded it all in there. Ja, Jude und ich haben viel darüber gesprochen, mehr über den Hauptcharakter eines Westerns, der...
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
But you did understand this sort of kind of beat up detective. Absolutely. And what that entails from movies.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Dann ist es ein ganz anderes Spiel. Es macht keinen Sinn. Die Antwort auf ihn, das Fed zu schießen, ist einfach einer der besten Momente in Filmen. Ja, ja. Wo er ihn sieht und dann... moves on. Scheider is like, oh god, what did you do? And he's like, I gotta find the French guy. This guy had it coming. I talked to Friedkin for hours. It was kind of crazy. He's amazing.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Him and Michael Mann were just monsters of... Die Fähigkeit, mit diesen Filmen so viel Schwachsinn zu haben und den Eindruck zu machen, wie sie es gemacht haben, ist wahnsinnig. Ich habe noch ein paar Mal einen Thief gesehen. Aber er ist ein anderer Typ, der nicht wie du in ein paar Filmen ist. The less said, the better. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then it's on you, the audience. Yeah.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
It's a fantastic soundtrack. It's the best. Yeah. Now, the Kelly Gang. The True History of the Kelly Gang, which I didn't watch yet, but that's a story that's been told over and over again, right? Like, hasn't every Australian filmmaker tried to tell that story?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And what is it about the character? I don't know a lot about him. Is it like Jesse James here? Yeah, yeah.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Also die Realität des Mannes wurde von der Mythologie des Mannes ausgelöst. Ja, ja.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Because I have to talk to the guy. And obviously I had seen The Order and I like it. And I know that he's got a tone. But then I watched some of his older movies. He did a movie called The Snowtown Murders. It might be just called Snowtown. And then he did another movie called Nitrum. Es geht um einen Masskiller, den Port Arthur-Killer in Tasmanien.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Well, Irish Outlaws are the most frightening, oddly. You'd think it was the Italians, but anytime I see anything about Irish mob, I'm like, oh, fuck.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yeah, they're not as romantic. They're a little messier. But let's talk about the NITRAM thing, because that guy who played the lead is some special guy. Yeah, Caleb Landry-Jones, who's American. I know. I think I've had the opportunity to interview him, but I didn't take it. Maybe it'll happen again. I never know... was jemand so sein wird. Und ich habe noch nie deinen Film gesehen.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Aber Jesus, Mann, das Konzert war verrückt. Ja, ja. Wie hast du das von ihm bekommen?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Und Snowtown Murders ist auch eine echte Geschichte über einen Serialkiller, der eine Art der Gemeinschaft radikalisiert hat, um ihn zu töten. Und einige der Mitglieder der Gemeinschaft waren auch involviert in der Tötung, speziell von verurteilten Sexverbrechern in der Region. Und sie sind tolle Filme. Ich meine, sie sind poetisch, sie sind schwarz, er hat eine Art von Schießen.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Ich meine, das war, das, das, das, was das war. Ihr Empathie oder der Romanz von dem Mann in ihrer Wohnung war wirklich, ich habe es noch nie gesehen, in einem Film.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And so, you know, it's weird that... Yeah. Yeah. Es sagt, dass es von Covid informiert wurde, weil niemand was gemacht hat. Also die Vitalität eines Performans während Covid ist, das ist all deine Kommunikation für den Tag. Ja, ja. Aber es gibt etwas so, wie in diesem Film, wo es eine Veränderung gibt, was irgendwo Herzschlag sein sollte. Ja. Ja, ja. Ja.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Es gibt eine Sensibilität dazu, wie er das Land Australiens und die Landschaft Australiens benutzt. Und er ist einfach ein sehr geistiger Filmmacher. And it's just odd, you know, I get these gigs, like Scott Cooper, who I'm working with now, directed some great movies, Black Mass, which I talk about constantly, he's great.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Ja, die Toleranz. Ja. Besonders der Vater. Obwohl der Kind volatil war, Du willst, dass sie in Ordnung sind. Ja. Und du adaptierst zu ihnen. Ja. Aber nach einem bestimmten Punkt gibt es nichts, was du tun kannst, um sie in Ordnung zu machen. Ja. Und ich habe wirklich nie einen Film wie diesen gesehen. Wie war die Reaktion zu diesem Film?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Well, that's interesting, because nationally I would imagine that there was no desire to have empathy for that guy. And because you, along with the writer, are careful to present as they are human, that there's no way in moments not to have empathy for that guy.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
And, you know, Pale Blue Eye, and then Hostages, and then that one with Woody Harrelson, of course Crazy Heart with... with Jeff Bridges years ago. But Kurzweil, I just, I wasn't familiar. I knew he had directed movies, but God, they are disturbing, poetic, amazing character studies.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I know that I've seen many movies that really do that exploration of senseless mass shooting. Other than Gus Van Zants Elephant. Which had the same space. But there was a sexual component to that. This guy, Martin, your guy, abgesehen hat issues ja da cannot be stated but the turn from just a guy who is distressed mentally to a killer was ii i thought he handled it very well and the moment
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Wo er die Waffe rausnimmt. Und dann sind wir aus dem Film. Nachdem wir ein paar Schüsse aus der Kamera hören.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. Welcome everybody. Holidays are coming. I hope they're tolerable. I hope they work. I hope they give you a reprieve. Wer weiß, oder? Na, ich musste es nicht so beenden. Schöne Weihnachten, das wollte ich sagen.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Es ist schwer, Monster zu humanisieren und diese Bedrohung zu schultern.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Und letztendlich... Jude Law's character doesn't really get to serve the justice that he probably would have preferred.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Those ones, Nitram, Caleb Landry Jones, who, that guy in Nitram, which is a sort of character study of a mass shooter, that guy gives a performance like, unlike anything else that exists out there. It's just fucking genius. And you can't even begin to understand where it comes from. And Judy Davis is in it, plays his mother. And I haven't seen her in years. And it's an amazing actors movie.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Was sind deine Gefühle darüber? Was ist die Zukunft des Films in Amerika?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yeah, I mean, I became sort of obsessed with that whole, the Turner Diaries and the root of that. Did you know much about the Turner Diaries before the film? Yeah. I don't know, there was, like, I became sort of fascinated with that stuff around the time of when I was sort of... learning about Berg and then learning that this book was driving a lot of the anti-Semitic sentiment.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
You know, I became sort of curious about, you know, where the idea of Zog came from and why, you know, and then as you sort of get more into it and certainly now that these are Ja, ja, ja. Das war die Kreation des globalen Antisemitischen, des globalen Jura-Planeten. Ich denke, das begann mit dem.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Ja, und das sind relativ moderne Antisemitische Tropen, die wirklich gehalten wurden. Aber, weißt du, Blutleidung und all das, das geht zurück in die Mittleren Ängste. Und das ist in Shakespeare. Ja. But yeah, so that was really the beginning of, you know, whatever George Soros represents to these people. It's scary stuff now. Yeah, yeah. So, are you doing a Hitler movie next?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Is there, like, you can do a kind of a thoughtful Manson piece?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yeah, that seems like a good one, good arc. Yeah. Well, you look healthy during the shooting. I don't know how far along I was there, but man, you looked tired, wired, smoking two cigarettes at a time. I was like, is this guy going to make it through this shoot? Yeah, yeah, no, I made it. I got there, man.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Oh, that's right, we were up against the clock.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looked good, man. It did.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I mean, just amazing. I completely recommend it. Diese Kersel-Movies, ich meine, sie sind einfach erstaunlich. Sie sind einfach bedrohlich und so wertvoll zu sehen. Er hat auch die, ich glaube, es heißt die echte Geschichte der Kelly-Gang über Ned Kelly, den mythischen australischen Ausländer. Und das ist unglaublich.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I appreciate it. Yeah, and I've loved watching your other work. I'm going to continue to do it. Good talking to you, man. Okay, mate. Love that guy. That was a great talk. I enjoy it. There's something about Australia, man. It's heavy. I'm not sure what it is, but I'm glad we talked about it. I haven't been down there in a while, but there's a weight to it.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
The Order, again, is playing in theaters now. Hang out for a minute, folks.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Hey Leute, ein weiteres Mark und Tom Show ist jetzt für die vollen Maron-Subscriber vorgesehen. Das war die dritte Zeit, als ich mit Tom saß, um über die Dinge zu sprechen, die ich und Tom immer darüber nachdenken.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I just thought, I felt like I should jump up and start doing squats as we talk. There was something that in my mind, I'm like, what are you talking about, Tom?
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
That's available now if you're signed up for the full Maron. To subscribe, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder, before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Here's some classic Maron riffage.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Just unique movies that kind of displace the narrative a bit to kind of honor the feeling of the film. And it just... I don't know. I get excited as I get older. All my life. But to get older and then to see things that blow your fucking mind. I mean, that is...
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
a gift so what am i doing exactly i am recommending that you see these movies and also watch the order okay that's all i'm doing that i'm just uh i'm plugging stuff that i'm involved with and i'm plugging people that i like for no other reason other than I like them. Ja. A lot of that's, I guess I should just call it my red state tour.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. What else is happening? I don't know what your Christmas plans are, but I'm going to go, I'm going to go see my dad. I feel like that any opportunity I can, I should go out and see my dad in these days and months, hopefully years. I don't know, uh, Where he still remembers me. I know a lot of people have been through this.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
It's obviously new to me. It's hard. It's somehow a little existentially scary as this unfolds. It's one thing, I guess, if your parent dies. At least there's a certain amount of closure, and obviously that will happen. But to see them drift away and still be alive... und wach sein in Bezug auf ihre Erinnerungen, ihre Leben, ihre Erinnerungen, das Leben, das du mit ihnen hattest.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
It's rough and weird and highly common, obviously. I am trying to spend as much time as possible. And this is a man that I've had problems with on and off over my life, but I love him. My mother's around too, but she doesn't have dementia and she's in Florida. But I gotta go see her too. And I'll try to make time for that in the new year. But it's not as pressing because she still knows me. And...
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I don't know if that's a way to prioritize spending time with your elderly parents. But I guess I'm choosing to spend time with the one whose memories are drifting away as opposed to the one who seems to have a pretty good recollection of everything. And hopefully that won't change and I'll get to spend time with her as well. Okay, well, I guess that's my holiday pitch.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Obwohl es nächste Woche ist, werde ich mit Ihnen vorher sprechen. Aber ich komme in den Geist. Wie würde das sein? Ist das, klingt das sinnvoll? Ja, das ist es. Das ist der Ton meiner Weihnachtsgeist. Also, Leute, ich bin in New York. Ich mache eine kleine Kameo-Parte.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Spend time with your parents. They're not going to be around forever. And they may not be around even if they are around forever. So look, I had this conversation with Justin Kerzel, the director I was talking about earlier. The Order is playing in theaters now. And like I said, I would highly recommend almost all of his other movies. There's only two I didn't see.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
I didn't see Assassin's Creed or his Macbeth. But I believe I've seen all the other ones. And The Order is disturbing. And the other ones are too. So brace yourselves. And know that you're going to deal with some heavy shit, but it's all done brilliantly on a cinematic level. And he came into my house and I hadn't seen him since we shot the movie. And so this is me talking to Justin Kerzel.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
How are you doing? Good. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. What is the, as I was about to say off the mic there, though, the part that I did in your movie, in The Order, was a small but essential part. It was. I didn't know I would open the movie.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
Ich gebe dir genug Sachen. Du hattest mich vor. Geh, geh, geh! Ich erinnere mich auch daran.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
in this bruce springsteen motion picture deliver me from nowhere it's a minor part but it's an important part i play a studio engineer and i i think i i can talk to you about this i won't say anything about the film but it's already public information uh you know jeremy allen white is playing bruce springsteen And Jeremy Strong is playing his manager, John Landau.
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Episode 1601 - Justin Kurzel
But it was such an out of character movie. Was it a job? No.
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Episode 1635 - Jillian Bell
Für dich am Start, die neue Sparkassencard. Eine für alles, egal was du vorhast. Mehr auf sparkasse.de, weil's um mehr als Geld geht.
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Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, oder sie haben versucht, etwas zu machen. Und dann ist es einfach nicht so. Und jetzt, nach Covid, ist es einfach so, dass all diese neuen Unternehmen, die sie dachten, sie würden downtown retten, weg sind. Ich war nur am Freitag in Sacramento. Und es ist ein bisschen, da unten ist es ein bisschen seltsam. Und dann bin ich nach Napa gegangen und das ist alles seltsam.
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Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Das Gebäude von dem Punchline, von dem Mall, das Kondothotel, das ist das Schlimmste.
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Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ich habe dort ein paar Jahre gelebt, und ich mache das Punchline oft. Es hat mich einfach verärgert. Ich kann es nicht. Like Sacramento is just, there's so many places, you know, from my comedy history where they're just, you know, they're triggering. They're just trauma sites. Like how the fuck did I ever work here? When I was a kid, when I was like in my 20s, I'm like, how did I do that?
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Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, my back will hurt. You never know when your back's gonna hurt. Your back can hurt at a good place. Yeah, yeah. It's just, you know, those beds, who the fuck knows?
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Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I used to love the Hampton Inns, you know, because it was like, you know, back when it was sort of more important. I'm like, yeah, I get breakfast. They've got enough plugs in the room. I can plug all my shit in. Because sometimes you go to high-end hotels and you're like, they're not prepared for how much shit we have to plug in. Where the fuck's the plug?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And then you don't even rent a car and you're just sort of like, every time you get put up by a club, you're like, there's nothing around here. You can't walk to anything. Before Uber, it was a nightmare. Just sad, kind of middle-axe, wandering the streets, looking for a coffee shop.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh yeah, why not? Where's the cool place? Alright, I'll sit there and eat two meals over there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I never stayed at that place. I love that condo, actually. Well, that's what people always say. They're like, well, that's one of the good ones. Das Club ist ziemlich gut. Ich gehe zurück. Ich habe nie den suburbanen gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, I always went downtown because I was always scared of like, you know, you didn't go the one out in the suburbs. That doesn't sound good, but it's fucking great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
It's crazy that she has somehow managed to make two rooms that are awesome for comics.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ich habe mit einigen Leuten gesprochen, die wissen, dass sie alles verloren haben. Einige Leute, die alles verloren haben, versuchen, mir helfen zu helfen. Wir werden das weiterhin tun. And I'm grateful. I'm lucky. I'm okay. I'm safe. My house is fine. It's still scary. But I'm okay. And my heart goes out to everybody that has experienced tremendous loss here. Because this affects everyone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Das ist wirklich hilfreich. Ja. Aber es ist kinder hilfreich, weißt du?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, ich habe das Spezial gesehen. Oh, danke. Und ich habe einige Fragen, aber... Ja, natürlich. Aber nur, weil, du weißt, wir können durch die ganze Geschichte gehen, aber es war... But it was interesting at the end, you're moving towards this meeting with your estranged father, who is a scary fella.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
But somehow you made the choice not to include almost any of that conversation into the special proper. We're all moving towards this thing, and sure enough, the guy's alive, and you sit down with him, and he answers one question, and that's it. Yeah, rug pull. Yeah. A few bits and pieces during the credits and then the words come up that he wrecked his bike. Is he alive?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh, so after he's in a coma, he came back. Yeah, but was it clear that he was, yeah, I guess it was clear, I read that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Okay, also du bist in Illinois. Wo bist du geboren? Ich bin normal. Also ich bin normal geboren. Hast du da überhaupt gearbeitet? Ich weiß es nicht. Ich meine, es ist wie ein Peoria.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ich bin die andere Nacht nach Sacramento gegangen. Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass ich hierher gekommen bin, zu diesem Flughafen. Und dann bin ich auf die Strecke gekommen und ich bin so, war ich hier? Und sie ist so, ja, du warst hier ein paar Jahre ago. Ich bin so, oh, Scheiße.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So normal Illinois, but the situation was like from the beginning of your life, you know, chaotic and dangerous.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Also bist du in dieser Stadt, wo es nichts gibt. Ich denke, ich habe gerade mit jemand anderem gesprochen. That grew up in a town where, who the hell was that? Where there was literally nothing to do. Oh, it was Richard Gadd the other day. Oh, yeah. That was in Scotland. Right. And you had to drive like a half an hour just to go to the movies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
The important stuff for Midwest living. M&M's, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Right. Well, what happened, like, when does things, how, and you're the middle sister?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And what was going on in the house? Do you remember, like you have older siblings, so they must know, they must have been directly affected in a conscious way of whatever the hell was going on there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So, how did your mother survive? Just from the gas station or help?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh, wirklich? Ja. Du kennst sie nicht? Ich meine, ich habe sie kennengelernt. Dein Wunsch führte dich nicht dazu, einen breiteren Dokumentarfilm zu machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So he would come back and, but you weren't old enough to really know. There must have been like fighting, like where the fuck were you? Was he staying in touch for the two years?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
She just leaned into the suffering? Yeah. So there wasn't a lot of fighting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So he comes back after two years and then what happens? When does he end up in prison?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Obviously the people that lost everything. It's profoundly affected and destroyed their lives. But For everybody else here, it's a very interesting thing about, what do you want to call it? Catastrophe? Overwhelming environmental disaster? Just anything where there's massive loss and a massive collective feeling of powerlessness in the face of what caused that loss. It's just fucking crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
But your mom didn't drag you all there to see him?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Es ist seltsam, wenn du dazu kommst, weil ich in Situationen bin, in denen du denkst, dass Leute kommen werden. Ich meine, es ist offensichtlich nicht so schlecht, aber wenn du diese Persönlichkeit hast, wo man nicht mit der Natur der Verbindlichkeit und der Tatsache ist, dass man Menschen wirklich nicht verändern kann, ohne dass sie sich verändern wollen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ich meine, du bist für eine Reise, solange es dauert, um dich darüber wach zu machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, no, I know. Because you feel like you go through these periods where you're like, I think I grew out of that. And then something happens, you're like, oh no, I'm the exact same. Exactly. But you can choose not to act on it. This is the best you can do. Like, I know what this is. I'm not going to fucking do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't need to act the way I did before that ruined everything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And no one knows it, so just kind of look above them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I had that in fucking in Napa the other night. I like, you know, in crowd insanity at a theater. Like one woman was just shit-faced and wouldn't stop, you know, yelping. And then another woman was sort of obsessed and parasocial with me and decided that she needed to give me a gift about 20 minutes into the show. Wow. Wow.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, sie könnten dich nicht holen. Aber dann wurde es diese lange Gespräche. Und, weißt du, es ist schwierig. Deine Natur mit Crowdwork ist, du wirst diesen Scheiß schalten. Aber diese Frau ist nichts, aber offen und lieb. Und ich bin so, hey Mann, schalt den Scheiß auf. Was soll ich tun? Ja. You can't do that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So she keeps talking and she's insisting on giving me this gift and the rest of the crowd is like, hey, shut up. I'm like, take it easy. This is not a hostile situation. This is like a person who somehow doesn't know that she's in a room full of people and she's got a gift. So let's just ride this out. But then the other woman, the drunk woman, then I had to get angry. And that moment where
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
You shift out, like crowd works, one thing, but there is a moment where you honestly get angry and you're either going to show that or you're not. And if you show it, some party realizes like, all right, well, now they've seen that. Right. And now we've got to get back to nice guy or whatever the fuck. That's so true.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I always say like, all right, so now you see who I really am. Let me try to get back. Ich weiß, dass jeder nervös ist. Dadi hat geschrien.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Einfach, aber ich weiß, wie man Crowdwork machen kann. Ich bin gut daran. Aber ich würde lieber das machen, was ich arbeite. Oh, gleich. Ja. So when you get into a crowd situation, if it's cute and it kills, you know, it becomes very real. But if it's managerial, then you just want to get it dealt with. Like, you know, eventually they got that woman out of there. And I could hear it happening.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And it's a theater and everyone can hear it happening. And I just stopped talking. And I just, for like a good 45 to a minute, I'm just sort of like, we're just going to wait until... She processes what's happening. Because you could hear that like, no, I'm like, all right, I'm not, there's nothing to do here. And just no one else, let's just sit calmly for as long as this takes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, it's just like, you know, it's being taken care of. So why pretend like we're just going to blow over this? You know, wait till it's done and just be like, is everyone okay? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, well, I tried to put a kibosh on that a little bit, because people don't realize, it's like I'm traveling, I carry on my baggage, I can't take the painting. Right. You know what I mean?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Look, I was in New York Ja. Dann ging ich auf meinen Ruf und sah den Schmuck am Ende von Manhattan. Es war ein krisper, klarer Tag. Nichts war irgendwo los. Alles war auf dem Boden. Keine Autos auf der Straße, keine Flugzeuge im Luftraum. Dann ging ich zurück in mein Haus und schlug die TV an und sah den zweiten Tower fallen. Dann ging ich zurück auf den Ruf und ich war so, oh mein Gott. Und...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Some guy has a joke because I did an Instagram Live about getting the cats out. When I evacuated, I brought a utility knife in order to get Buster out of the box I taped him into. And some guy in Sacramento gave me a new utility knife. And I got to leave on the plane from Napa the next day. I'm like, well, I hope the house cleaning staff has a use for this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Because I'm not going to try to get this on the plane.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And I take it all home. Because I don't have the heart to throw it away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah. And then it's just another thing. It's nice, but I have a lot of stuff. So I had to kind of limit that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, also was war die Szene, als dein Vater, als deine Mutter für gut wegging?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ist das das Haus in der Show, in der du gehst, das nicht mehr da ist?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh yeah, that was it. Yeah, it's an interesting moment. That clarity and you do what you have to do. So your dad's kind of bumbling around the house violently and she just loads the car up and that's it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And you're how old? Twelve. Oh my god, so that's like real memory.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Es öffnet sich in der Rückseite. Die große Rückseite, die schwingende Rückseite. Die schwingende Rückseite.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So you're driving away and you just see an angry raging man in the rear view?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And probably two of you are in the back looking out that back window.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh, good. Did you? Was there room? Did you, like, what...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
But at least you're in a relatively loving environment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean, it was it was rough. Yeah. Right. Right. And then so then what happens? You got to change schools. You got to do. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, well, you're a kid. I mean, it's not like, you know, yeah, how do you, I mean, you don't register that kind of trauma unless someone beats the shit out of you or does something awful. Right. You're just sort of like, oh, grandma. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I was in marching band. Oh, really? You did the full spectrum from jock to dork.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Was dir passt? Ja. Was spielst du im Marschband? Trumpet. Oh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Du hast die Flagge umgebracht? Ja. Das Beton-Stück?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Mann, du hast es von allen Ecken getackt. Ich habe es gemacht. Für die Freundschaft. Ich habe gesehen, was mir passt. Und hast du Freunde in allen verschiedenen Faktionen behältst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
My mom's still upset. I'm still spinning the, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh, okay, nothing. Are we being evacuated? No, no, it's just a... Ein Freund. Aber das ist so seltsam, wie furchtbar du bist. Oh Gott. Ja. Okay, also jetzt, wann hast du... Also du hast mit deinen Großeltern in der Hochschule geblieben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
In that moment where your brain is trying to understand or comprehend or wrap your perception around what is happening, that is when the massive trauma kind of sets in. That moment of realization of like, fuck, nothing will ever be the same again. All those lives lost. Manhattan just incapacitated. It was fucking horrendous.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, even to, oh, so not quite dating, but still they were around. Sure. Yeah, you gotta have a place to go make out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And you stayed there for 18 months? Yeah. See, isn't it interesting when social services works and people are actually taken care of?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Und hast du... Erinnerst du dich an Freunde mit den anderen Kindern, die traumatisiert wurden?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, und dann warst du so, ich denke, ich will mit den Kindern zurück. Ja. Das ist zu viel Information.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Spinnen den Bottle und so weiter. Ja. Oh mein Gott. Okay, also du bist da für 18 Monate und wo?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Okay, I was going to say Awesome Boulevard. That's a good sign.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah. Life gets real. And it's a different school. So you're going to high school in a different place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I just can't, like, I can't imagine that guy, you know, who, you know, you see at the end of this journey in the documentary was capable of anything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, maybe that's why he didn't include the full interview. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, definitely when he sat down, he's like, all right, so what are we doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So you didn't tell him when he was coming to meet you that you were going to be recording it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Mit ihm? Ja. Okay. But you asked him the favorite color and stuff. I thought that was kind of funny.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Because you could almost see something childlike in there, but he couldn't quite access it. Yeah. But he played along.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And I stayed, and my girlfriend at the time, who had been getting off the train downtown, a few blocks from the towers, got out of the subway and was in a storm of ash. Walked 40 blocks uptown, packed her bags and left New York. Only came back to leave again. That's what got us out here. That's what got me to L.A. in the first place. I stayed for quite a bit longer, for months, maybe even a...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh, so then it became like a scary issue again. Dann sind wir kompetitiv. Das ist sehr beruhigend. Das Mindset. In dieser Situation, sogar so einfach. Wie ist das nicht volatil? Und es musste immer so sein. Das Gefühl von Bedrohung. Wegen deiner, was auch immer, Unschuld oder was auch immer. Ja. In der Hochschule, fortsetzt du mit der Band und dem Trumpet und allem?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Me too. It's interesting that when you're like that and then we end up here. I mean, I was a smart ass. But if asked to or if I had to do something public, like I could crack jokes and disrupt. But if it's sort of like tomorrow you're going to have to get up in front of everybody. It's like, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, it's a fucking nightmare. But what about the thing with, when does the boys thing crap out on you? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Und es war so, oh ja, weil... Aber du hattest keine Inklusion, dass du gays warst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So when you were with boys, you were just sort of like, I guess this is supposed to be good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it was sort of like, this is supposed to be good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, das klingt verrückt und schmutzig und ich weiß nicht, was er will.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, was soll ich tun? Oh mein Gott, hast du nicht darüber gesprochen, wie das schade Handjob war? Was war das in dem Spezial?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
There's no book. You're just competitive with yourself. Yeah, you assume that that's a memorable thing for the wrong reason for that guy, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't use both hands. Okay, so after high school, did you go to college?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, right. And I was like, alright. You didn't live there, so did you have to pay? Was it state school?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Aber du magst die Gemeinschaft, es scheint Spaß zu haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Close to a year and she just left because she couldn't, she was totally incapacitated by the trauma of it. But I stayed and we performed a few weeks after and New York was just, everywhere was plastered with the faces of missing people. People were walking in a state of Das war fast wie ein emotionaler Zombie-Stand.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Did you, when you look back on it, does the style make sense? Were you still doing kind of like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Und du denkst dir, das ist alles, was ich habe. Ja. Erinnerst du dich, als es zuerst klickte?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I forgot that one part of the doc. That was like a great part. The grave site of that girl. Yeah. What was that story again? So you used to go, because there was nowhere to play in that house with the outhouse, and you just go to the cemetery?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And that's all you remember. So you were not in high school.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
How could they kill this girl? Yeah. How did they let this girl die? Yeah. Yeah. And you would go sit there and like you had a relationship.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
It's like a mild obsession that, you know, was a key to the universe somehow.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, weil du dein Gehirn nicht umdrehen konntest.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, weil du nichts gemacht hast. Und diese Frau hat alles gemacht. Es sah so aus, als wäre sie eine perfekte Person. Ja. Und dann ist sie weg. Und du denkst dir, oh mein Gott, die Hoffnung ist tot. Ja, genau. Was passiert jetzt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Aber der Weg nach Chicago, du hast das einfach selbst gemacht? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, yeah, I mean, if you're going to cut your teeth somewhere, I mean, when I was younger, it was different. It was all club driven and whatever. But, you know, it's good to be able to do it anonymously.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And just, you know, nothing's anonymous anymore. Right. You know, people were posting their videos of their first set and putting them up. And I'm like, I think you might regret that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
All you know is to sort of try to get back to your routines, but nobody was normal for years. And you could smell it for months and months. And, you know, emotions were high. And I felt some of that same energy here over the last few days.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I have fucking tapes of me on Evening at the Improv from like 89. I have like club tapes from 87 and 88 that some guy's making a doc on me that I gave to him and I'm like, wow. Like, look at me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, they were club sets, but the most interesting about seeing that stuff is like, for years you can't look at it. You're like, I don't even want to see it. But when you kind of get grounded in what you do, you can look at it and be kind of like, oh, I was myself. I just wasn't good at it. And that's relief that you have a personality that somehow keeps going on and on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, I think that happens where... You have no other way to do it at the beginning than to write jokes. Yeah. There's nothing else you can do. And that's how you figure out, you know, how to do it in a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I don't think I really broke loose of that totally until the mid-90s, when, you know, all comedy started to happen and Luna Lounge started to happen, where we were sort of told to try to come up with new stuff every week. Right. So then I started to, like, angrily... Ja. Ja. I guess she'll be done soon. There's more, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
This could be the whole show. Is it all lesbian? Yeah, yeah. So when you go to Chicago, where are you working?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Aber es hat dir ein bisschen Selbstvertrauen gegeben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Die Angst daraus. Ich denke darüber mit den Feuerwerken und mit verschiedenen Stellen in meinem Leben. Aber wenn du als Comic beginnst und für irgendeinen Grund dieses Vertrauen hast, Wenn du nächste Woche einen offenen Mikrofon hast, ist deine ganze Woche verdammt. Es ist, ja. Weil all das, was du denkst, ist, ich muss da hoch und das Ding machen, die fünf Minuten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
kind of ptsd that happens almost immediately the trauma happens and then you're walking in this zone of of disbelief and and sort of a kind of temporary emotional annihilation amidst all this destruction out here and people who are unaffected by it directly you know they try to you go on with your life but it was menacing see i i talked about what was going on on monday
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, ich versuche zu erinnern, was ich gemacht habe, als ich das gemacht habe. Ich arbeitete in einem Kaffeeshop und ich arbeitete in einem, weißt du, aber es war, ich kann es nicht mehr, es wird schwer, zu verstehen, was die Verpflichtung war. Weil, weißt du, wenn du es machst, bist du so, ich will nichts anderes machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Das ist verrückt, weil es das unmöglichste, verdammt, anxietyinduzierende Ding in der Welt ist. Ja. Ich habe noch keine Antwort darauf, außer, ich muss gesehen werden. Ja. For who I am.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
As your stand-up set? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's ballsy. I just tried everything. I didn't do any wigs. I never did wigs. I was always sort of like, if we can get to me, whatever I am now is not really me. So that's the character.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I wouldn't have never had the confidence to believe that I could sell that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Like, you know, I can barely be up there myself. I'm going to put a hat on and pretend to be a guy. There's just no way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
That must have, like, what gave you the confidence to do that. Right. Because, like, to me, like, getting into a character that is, like, completely clowning, I'm like, you know, immediately, I'm like, this is stupid. I look stupid. There's no way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
It's weird when you grow up in some sort of chaos or emotional void in terms of parents. There's some part of you that deeply craves that discomfort.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Because it's familiar. You know, like, oh, this is exactly, I'm a strange person, alienated from most people emotionally. And let's honor that tonight. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, like eventually you get to the point, I know you're there, because I think I kind of saw you do it, where like you have an idea, like I'm doing this now, because I'm trying to, you know, kind of re-groove an hour, where I have Post-its and I have things, and as opposed to like structure a joke, I'll have what I think is funny that I have to work with on a Post-it, and I'll just read it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And a lot of times they'll get laughs, and I'll be like, oh, I'll work on that. But sometimes I'll read it and nothing. And I'm like, all right, well... That one's, I guess, not going to go in. So you get adept enough to win something tanks like that, that you can bounce back with some humility and just be like, hey, look, not all of these are going to go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Und meine Gefühle von Angst und Schmerzen und Angst und einfach die, äh, die, die Art von emotionalen Reaktion ist so ein enormes Verlust aufgrund von so vielen Leuten. Und mein Gedanke ist ein natürlicher Gedanke, war wie, du weißt, es ist Zeit, rauszugehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, that's actually a great character. Like, I don't know why someone, I'm sure someone has tried that, where you just have these mediocre to lame jokes. And as the arc of the set goes, you get more frustrated. Like, I'm working. God damn it. What the fuck is wrong with me? Why do I even do this? And you're getting the laugh from that guy responding. This is the last one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh Gott. Also, wann startest du mit Featuren? Wie kommst du zu dem Punkt, in welchen Clubs, du arbeitest in Zanies und so weiter?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Okay, that's a good one. For 14 months. Well, then at least you know you have an attentive, sophisticated audience with him, certainly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
No sympathy for your plight. Because it's my show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I think he had to have been a guy that bombed his fair share, trying to put that thing together. Back in the day. I didn't see him early on, but you've got to figure that particular angle out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
That's hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you bombed with Jeselnik.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, his audience is weird because, you know, they don't really know him or what he is. But they know that, you know, in terms of being a person, like you would know him or I would know him. But they know the character and they have expectations. And the expectations are like, this is going to be fucked up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, genau. Well, I mean, a lot of times they're just not focused, or sometimes when you're opening, they're still seating. Right. And, you know, it's just, it's the nature of that position.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And it's interesting what you're going to do in your mind if you're lucky enough to, at this point anyways, remain untouched physically or property-wise, is to fight or flight. And all the logic in terms of, sure, I love Los Angeles as much as the next guy. I didn't grow up here, but I've certainly spent a lot of time here. And I love my house.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, the opening... Right, exactly. And they're there for a reason. They didn't just wander in. It's not a free ticket. Right. And, you know, they're, you know, okay, they know that you'll be done soon if they don't like you. Right, yeah. And they're going to see the person they came to see. Oh, boy. So, when do you meet your wife?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh, I was going to say, I'm glad it was a specific event. And it was sort of like, is a lesbian the best at bowling thing? Yeah, we moved from softball to bowling. It was like a rotator cuff sort of thing. We were like, we got to go underhand now. Yeah, our shoulders are hurt. Yeah. I remember field hockey somehow being a sport for lesbians.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Oh, who did I talk to that started in kids stuff? Oh, Robby.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Das war ihre große Sache, das Kindershow in Kanada.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, ich denke, dass Kinder uns erwarten. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Sure. Like if it works for the kids, they're like, let's do it for a decade. Yeah. I mean, they're not going to be like, I don't know, this character arc.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
They really jumped the shark on that last puppet thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Because there's always a new generation of kids.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah. Well, that's exciting. And how long before you got married?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja. Well, it's either going to bring you closer or destroy it eventually.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, aber wenn du eingeladen bist, musst du es herausfinden. Und du hattest die Kindheit während der Pandemie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
It's just like... War das ein 9-11-Geräusch, glaube ich? Oh, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And there's a lot of great things about Southern California. But I got some, a couple of odd, not odd responses, but just from people who were like, you know, how could you just say you're going to leave? I mean, we got to rebuild better than ever. We got to fight for our city. You got to stay and fight the fight. Against what? Against what? What, are you going to fight the wind?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Also, du wurdest induziert oder du hattest einen Cesarean?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Ja, lass uns das rausnehmen. Ja. Also, wie alt sind die Kinder jetzt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
It must have been in some way beneficial that COVID happened in terms of attention to the kid. You know, as difficult it might have been. You didn't have to go. Everyone's totally bonded for three years. Solid. Solid.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? How's it going where you are? What's happening out there? Are you okay? Is everything okay by you as we head into this
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Und was machst du, was ist hier auf der Platte? Wie ist das Spezielle? Was hast du gemacht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
It's called Daddy Jokes? It's called Dad Jokes. And the whole premise is that you were doing Dad Jokes, but you had no relationship with your dad, so you thought you could either broaden them or make them more honest if you had a relationship with a guy. So it was intercut with this documentary of you going to meet your estranged dad. Yeah. Now, when you think, is he well now?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah. So there's no sort of like, you gotta meet your granddaughter kind of shit?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Und es gab keinen anderen Weg. Es gibt nichts zu tun. Ja, ja. Hier kommt noch einer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Und sie hat eine gute Beziehung mit dem Kind und allem. Oh, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Warum hast du keinen Netflix-Special? Es ist immer etwas. Dein Job ist nicht verurteilt, bis etwas auf ihrem Radar zeigt, dass du es gemacht hast. Ja. Und mittlerweile sind die meisten Leute, egal ob sie ein Spezial haben oder nicht, draußen auf dem Boden, um das Ding weiterzumachen. Richtig. Aber was ist der Plan? Gehst du nur tourieren?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Nein, es ist nicht der gleiche Showrunner. Oh ja, es ist Greg Daniels.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
You're going to fight the erratic wind? You're going to kind of like set a timeline for every year that these things might happen? How are you going to fight the wind? How are you going to fight the drought? If nobody's going to get, you know, collectively hip to the fact that we might be past the point of no return with climate change. And so then it's just a matter of adapting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, it's a good loop to be in. Yeah. A comedy writer that can do it. Right. Well, good. Congratulations.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
God damn it. I'm literally just sort of like, should I just go to Vegas for three days so I don't have to sit here in the wind?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I thought of that, but right now it's flagged right up to Palm Springs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, but like, you know, everyone becomes an amateur meteorologist. Like, well, the foliage, the vegetation doesn't seem... All right, well, we'll see what happens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
There you go. I like her. Again, Dad Jokes is streaming on Hulu and her podcast with Beth Stelling is called Sweethearts. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Okay, Folks, if you want more details about what's been going on in my life and in my head during these fires out there, I talked about it for a bonus episode on the Full Marin Feed this week. This was always part of... Ja, genau. You know, decades ago, where, you know, Point Reyes and, you know, a big chunk of massive acreage burned.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And I was in Napa the other night, and that place burned down a couple years ago. And, you know, it's just reality, and you can rationalize it however you want. So, like, yeah, well, the earth does this, and sometimes burning's good, and yada, yada. But, you know, the menace of human loss and... tragic loss of property and possessions. It's a reality on a major scale.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
So, you know, this isn't going to get better. And so, how many times a year do you see, you know, the weather app on your phone? It says, you know, gusts of wind. Are you going to be like, fuck, I got to get back on the fire app. I'm still on the fire app. There's no way to get off it now. You know, the last few days have been just horrible. And they were forecasting everything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Boomer lives. Monkey in La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
60 bis 75 Meilen pro Stunde Wind. Also dann sitzt du da und schaust, ob es wieder nahe kommt. Und komm bereit. Geh die Kappboxen offen. Geh deine Go-Bags zusammen. Verteile dir, dass deine Kinder wissen, was da ist. Nur diese tentative Vibe von Es kommt. Es kommt. Und diese Feuerwehrleute hier sind fucking erstaunlich. Unglaublich. Fucking real goddamn Heroes, diese Jungs und Mädchen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Männer und Frauen. All of them, from all around the world, coming together to try to manage this thing. And neither one of these fires are even half contained. Fight or flight, man. You know, what's the fight? How do you win? Or how do you survive? I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado tomorrow at Lincoln Center Performance Hall and then Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
On the next day, Saturday the 18th, I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. Then San Luis Obispo, California at Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, February 1st. Iowa City at the Ingler Theater on Thursday, February 13th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Des Moines, Iowa at the Hoyt Sherman Place on Friday, February 14th. and Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theater on Saturday, February 15th. Then I'm in North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois, Michigan. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. There will be more shows coming up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I'm planning on shooting a HBO special in New York City. That'll be coming up. I think I'm going to be getting some dates on the calendar in Vermont, Toronto. New Hampshire, heading into that special, getting this stuff together. Look, it's hard to be rational in something so catastrophic and seemingly so irrational. But I can't imagine, you know, the kind of menace of fear when you have children.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
final week or so of what is America and into whatever America will become that's a layer of stress at least for me and probably half of the people in the country but I hope you're okay and maybe even being happy I don't know I don't know from all that today on the show I talked to Mo Welch. She's a comic and cartoonist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I mean, I've got cats. I mean, and I think on some level, children are probably easier than cats. I mean, they'll do what you want them to do. They may cry, they may freak out, but they'll do what you want them to do. Cats, they don't give a fuck. They don't know what you're worked up about.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And these poor cats, in the last few days, because I was on the edge, and we thought these winds were coming, and I was just waiting for a fire to hit close enough to where I gotta go, I gotta go again. I can't wait for... The zone to change.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And then I just start to think, you sit there and you think like, well, look, okay, why don't you just go out to the desert for a few days until something levels off so you can feel better, at least feel safe. And then I start to think like, well, then I gotta, it's gonna distress the cats. They gotta box them up, put them in the car, sit in a hotel. They're gonna be freaked out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
No, just stay here and wait it out. And that's not sit here and wait and fight. You know, I'm not going to don a firefighter's outfit and get out there. But there's some part of me that's willing to put my safety at risk so my cats won't be uncomfortable. Yeah, that's a little crazy. Yeah, I got to get that in perspective. So sensitive to the animals. But they're okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And for some reason, when I got up today, Sammy was sleeping in one of the crates. The one that I could barely get him into. Actually, he was easy. I threw him in the hamper. But today he's like, I don't know, maybe he wants to go. Maybe I should see that as a sign. I need help. All right, look. I'd heard of Mo Welch. We have common friends. I've interviewed her friends. I watched her special.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
I thought it was kind of awesome to kind of track. You know, she's always had this propensity to do dad jokes, but she didn't really have a relationship with her dad for like 30 years. She decided to go find him. And the special is half that, half stand-up. It's called Dad Jokes. It's streaming on Hulu, and this is me talking to Mo Welch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Did you split? Yeah, we went to the desert. And for how long?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah, yeah. Ich habe drei Katzen, also habe ich keine Kinder. Und Katzen sind schwieriger, aus einem Haus zu kommen, als ein fucking Kind. Und ich bin weg. Aber das Schlimmste ist, wenn es eine silberne Linie gibt, ist, dass ich nur einen Kraten hatte. And I had to improvise with a hamper and a box. And I go into Hollywood. And I'm at the Hampton Inn. And then that catches fire.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
And I'm like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. But now I have three crates.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Well, yeah, just because like, you know, now we got to sit here for three days with winds just looking at that fucking app. Right. To see if anything's close enough to be a concern or if we actually get evacuated. And I'm like, I have no control over whether the house burns. I don't need to be here for that. And I don't need to be here anticipating it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
If I could just drive the cats to Vegas or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah. Vegas, three cats. Yeah, I know. Well, that's the thing. But like, they'll be all right. Yeah. And if it's going to salvage my mental state or keep us safe, you know, fuck it. But I don't know. I'm crazy anyways. Like, I'm ready to evacuate anytime.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Last year she released the special Dad Jokes, which is part stand-up set, part documentary about meeting her estranged father for the first time in 20 years. The special is now on Hulu. She also co-hosts the podcast Sweethearts along with Beth Stelling. We talk a bit about the experience that we're living through, but I do know that out here it's very trying and still quite awful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Yeah. And it's just. It's just like, cause it's always, like I said before, it's like, yeah, I'm not sure where they are, but they're, they seem to be up in the mountains. They're over there. Like it was always kind of like. Out by Malibu, something like that. So your in-laws lost their house.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1609 - Mo Welch
Rhode Island. Yeah. My car got stolen once in Rhode Island.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1643 - Carol Leifer
Aber ich habe von dir in der Vergangenheit gefunden, dass du dich stressiert hast, es runterzutun. Das war definitiv der Fall für die letzten zwei Specials, zumindest. Ja, aber selten, wenn es runterkommt, lande ich auf der fucking Mark. Yeah, and you didn't fret about it at all. Like, I didn't hear you once say like, I don't know how I'm going to do this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1643 - Carol Leifer
I don't know how I'm going to get this in at 70 minutes. And you said that a lot, like during, especially the last one from Bleak to Dark. I remember you saying that a lot, that you were concerned you just had too much and you weren't going to get it down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Dude, when someone turned me on to snooze, like the Swedish shit, I was ordering it from fucking Sweden. From Sweden. And they made stuff in Sweden where I would put it in and I'd get up, I'd put it in and I gotta sit down and sweat. And like sometimes...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Es ist so verrückt. Und dann musst du es mit diesen machen. Wo soll ich das rauswerfen? Ich mache gerade eine Szene und stelle es auf meine Hand, weil es immer noch drin ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Stay away from daddy's shit. Daddy needs that. I just, I can't, I'm so glad that we're talking about this because, but do you get obsessed with, are you obsessed in any way with that there might be bad for you? No. Good for you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
All I know is that when I was doing the Swedish stuff, they had names like Glorch. Just with umlauts on it. This has got to be fucking great. And they were sticky and wet, but that was tobacco.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Because these aren't tobacco, I don't think they're beholden to that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It just says this contains nicotine, nicotine is addictive. I'm like, all right. Okay. And? Exactly. Next. God. But you're doing the sixes. I'm trying to step up, but they're still slow. You're actually trying to do more, not less? Good on you, man. Ich weiß, dass viele Jungs 6er machen und ich sage mir, ich mache eine 6er, ich muss es eine halbe Stunde warten und dann es schreiben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ich weiß, du wirst nicht auf 3er schwimmen. Nein. Du wirst nur auf 6er schwimmen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Pull out of the phone and just look at how small and simple a lot of times your life is. Think about the number of blocks or miles that you really... Engage or travel with in your life. Think about the people along the way. Don't think about whatever the phone is doing to your brain. As soon as you turn it on, all of a sudden you're connected to this universe of fucking psychic garbage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ja, du experimentierst nicht zu dem Niveau, an dem ich experimentiere. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ich war nicht derjenige. Ja, ja, ja. Yeah, I was never that guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Like I, you know, my paranoia became mystical. So I, you know, I lost my mind. I was hearing voices. I didn't get the transition. It was universal. Totally. I didn't get the sort of like, do you hear that? No, for me it's like, oh, I'm hearing stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
No, way out. Way out. So, well, that's good. You did better coke than I did. I don't know. I just think it's the way my brain works. How are you feeling in general? Good, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Did you like it? No. You know what's fucked up about doing the Audible for your books? You're reading your shit and the producer goes, could you go back and like... Wait, it's me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Slow it down. Take a walk. Say hi to the guy at the place. You know what I'm saying? Today on the show, Josh Brolin is back. He's out making the rounds with his book, which is very good. And the last time he was here was in 2018, episode 915. He was actually the first guest in the new garage, which was not set up really. And I liked the guy. He's just one of those guys.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
starting theater you got that's what you want to read right well you read this and it's it's partially that but no it's very mother heavy no but it's different you i think you approached it really well because i think that you know you put the focus on because i just read pacino's oh you did yeah because i talked to him okay and and his is sort of like this kind of like nostalgic you know almost kind of like you know emotional but it's very professional
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Nein, nein, deiner ist professionell, aber es ist ein anderer Art von Schreiben. Er ist wie, du weißt, mit diesem, du weißt, mit dieser Sentimentalität und und die Bewegung durch diese Momente, aber du, wie du dich auf etwas aus deinem Vergangenheitsteil konzentriert und du hast es aus dem Scheiß geschrieben. It's very readable because you're doing it in chapters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And each chapter kind of functions on its own as almost a prose poem. And so you're dealing with feelings of the moment. You're looking back, but some of it feels immediate. But there's also, you wrote it. It wasn't like, I remember when I was, you know, you're in the moment, you're having feelings, you're doing it poetically, you're doing it with language. So it's really a writerly thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
If you have your own vernacular, but some people can tell stories, but they can't write.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And the interesting thing about guys who write books about their lives, who have editors, and this is not going to happen with this book, is that you talk to them, because I don't usually read the books, because then you have a conversation where they're always going like, well, in the book, or I already know what I'm asking, which is, I don't like that. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
But I have been reading the books more because I want to have a through line. But when you want to hear the story from the book, they can't tell it like it's in the book because they told it to a guy, it's edited, it's made better. So then you're like, tell me that story. And it's not even that they're saying it's in the book, but the story they're going to tell is three sentences.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And the story in the book is two pages with a full arc.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ja, genau. Und das spricht von deiner Mutter. Und das in und für sich als ein Stück poetischer Sprache ist ein Teil deines gesamten Selbstsensors. Und was du durch dein ganzes Leben mitgearbeitet hast. Aber das ist der Art von Buch, in dem du dich in das verbinden kannst. And then there's another thing you wrote about talking to famous people who none you mention.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And just make this comment about the nature of actors who like to hear about other actors' mundane activities. And that elevates those things to a story that becomes mythic. Like these are, you know, these are like, these are ideas. Mhm. And thoughts and understanding.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
There's a sense of you throughout this book trying to understand who you are, but also understand the world and ultimately ending up with like, I don't know, what did you end up with?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I went out to meet him and I looked at him. I'm like, all right. Okay, Brolin. What's up? What do you got? I thought we hit it off pretty good. I just liked the guy. But the new memoir, it's called From Under the Truck, he wrote the fuck out of it. He wrote a thing. And it's all him and you can feel it. And he's got a poetic sensibility.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ich war mit dem Schriftler gesprochen. Und du merkst, dass er dich nicht wirklich registriert hat, als jemand, mit dem er sprechen möchte. Und dann hast du angefangen, all diese Gespräche zu denken. Ich habe mit Sam Shepard gesprochen und ich habe versucht, Sam Shepard zu beeindrucken.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Als ich jünger war, habe ich viele von Sam Shepard gelesen. Ich erinnere mich, dass ich ein Stück geschrieben habe. There's a language that Shepard has, this sort of cowboy poetry thing, that it's a fine delivery system. And, you know, it's not even a matter of appropriating or mimicking. It's just that, you know, you're going to find your voice through other voices eventually. Always.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
He has a desire to express himself in a truthful way and think about things in relation to his life experience. And I enjoyed it. And it's written in short chapters so you can do a piece at a time. But I actually really liked it. And I like talking to him again. We had some laughs. Talked about the Zins. You know. I'll be back touring starting in January. Sacramento, California.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ja, look at me act. Watch me emote. Well, yeah, but there is something, I mean, I know you trivialize it a bit, but, you know, there's something about being able to access that. That's good. You know, I learned something when Sharon, I just did a movie. It's the first time I ever did a lead in a movie and I had to do it. And I don't think I was, I would have been able to do it before this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And I'm not sure how I did, but I was ready for the challenge. You had done enough work where you were ready. I knew how to be on set and I had enough confidence, you know, to, to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Yeah, a few, a few. But this guy, the movie's about an actor who started out with integrity early on, did real stuff, did a few movies that were kind of hits. You know, he fucked some guy's wife and married her, a big actress. And the fourth movie they did together, Tanks, and then he was kind of in the wilderness for a while trying to get back his credibility.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And then he took a sitcom for five years and that's how he became known. That's backstory. That's true. So here we are at 60, at the age this guy is now, and at the beginning of the movie he gets diagnosed with stage 4 bowel cancer. And he becomes obsessed with the need to be in the in-memoriam montage at the Oscars. It's the only thing that's going to give his life meaning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Und er denkt nicht, dass er sein Resümee hat. Also muss er alle diese Angeln herausfinden, um in die Montage zu kommen. Es ist verrückt, aber mein größter Angst, nicht die Selbstvertrauen eines Schauspielers zu haben, ist, dass dieser Typ ein guter Schauspieler sein soll. Und es gibt ein paar Szenen, in denen er in den Filmen schreibt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Also war ich nur überrascht, dass ich, wenn ich diese fucking Dinge nicht vertraut mache, die ganze Sache weg ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Well, it's like I'm playing this guy Langston, who's known for this sitcom, but he was a great actor. And so the opening sequence is him on a procedural being interrogated. Mm-hmm. Ja, sie ist die Beste. Ja, sie ist die Beste. But she does this movie because she likes me. She doesn't even read the script. And then she reads it and she's fucking all in. And she's going to do this one scene.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And it's written as a comedy, but she came fucking loaded. She's in this mansion. She's got the turban on and she's pale. And she's doing a whole Norma Desert thing. And I walk in for this scene and I'm like, I'm going to get eaten for fucking lunch. There's nothing I'm going to... How am I even going to keep it together? So we do... So we do two takes and I'm like, I'm not even a character.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I'm just Mark going like, what am I doing? And she's grabbing my face. So we break for lunch and I'm pretty sure, I'm looking at the set and I'm pretty sure everyone's like, he's not gonna do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Yeah, I don't know what we were thinking. And I go back to my trailer and my manager's there. He's hanging around and I'm just full on like, what the fuck am I doing in this? It's Sharon Stone. I can't fucking do this. God fucking damn it. She's eating me for lunch out there. There's nothing I can do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Genau. Aber nach dem Abend habe ich gesagt, du hast mit Pacino gesprochen, du hast Tipps bekommen. Und ich dachte immer an Ethan Hawke, als er mit Denzel gearbeitet hat. Und wie er all seine Filme gesehen hat, als ob sie Spieltapes waren. So we can, I say, I just thought like, you know, ground yourself. You don't like this woman. She dumped you. You resent her. You're jealous of her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So you walk in there with some fucking, you know, control of this situation. Did it help? Totally. Did it? Absolut. Interessant. Weil es eine der Situationen war, ich weiß, es ist das Arbeiten, es ist nicht das Leben oder das Tod, aber wenn du dich nicht befestigst, wenn du nicht sagst, das ist das, was passiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Die Woche vorher habe ich mit Pacino gesprochen und er hatte diese fünf Dinge, ich weiß nicht, wer es ihm gegeben hat. Geh zu dem Charakter, warum bist du da, wo kommst du her, was ist das? Und ich bin so, das ist es. Strausberg. Strausberg. So I just fucking locked in, but then we're getting to the cry thing, right? And I'm telling Sharon, I'm like, we have a relationship, she's being very kind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
She says, what makes you cry? And I'm like, well, you know, I'm at that age where I cry a little, a lot of things. And she goes, I know what makes you cry. Und ich so, wirklich? Sie sagt, du weißt, was dich weint. Und sie hat, du weißt, sie war ziemlich unterstützend, äh, nachdem mein Partner gestorben ist, nachdem Lynn gestorben ist, du weißt. Und ich habe darüber nachgedacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Aber, du weißt, es ist eine der seltsamen Dinge. Du kannst nicht nur eine Person oder ein Hund sterben und weinen. Es ist wie, es ist eine größere Sache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Was für mich passiert ist... Like, it's like you said, though, I'm a comic, so, you know, my entire career is based on not crying. All I'm doing is professionally not crying. That's so well put.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So here I am in this moment and she brings up Lynn and then she says to me, she goes, you know, just do the scene to her and I'll make sure she's here. Wow. I'm choking up now. Yeah. But the thing was, like you were saying, it wasn't, you know, just the loss. What got me to the place was because of my lack of belief in myself, that woman who passed away always believed in me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Und es hat sie gefreut, als ich darin gearbeitet habe. Es war also diese Vorstellung ihres Glaubens in mich. Ein Positives. Es ist so gut. Es hat mein Leben verändert, weil du das sagst. Es ist der Moment, an dem du denkst, I don't give a fuck. If I'm going to be open to this, if I'm going to be honest about the truth of a scene, why can't you do that in your life?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Even with comedy, it's like, what do I got to worry about? Like, I've been doing this my whole fucking life. And every time you do it, you're like, I got to get them right up front. And I'm like, I don't have to get them at all. Fuck them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Yeah, I mean, that's one thing that's starting to happen, certainly with the way that culture is shifting and the way that, you know, artists are being diminished or marginalized or thought of as like, you know, fucking pansies or whatever, is that, you know, the work of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And I think the driving fact for me in going into that Sharon thing and in talking to Pacino and what you're saying now is what is the truth of the scene? Mm-hmm. Like, what is it? And it's the same with the journey of the book. You know, what is the truth of this moment that you're trying to get at? Even if you don't land on it, if you work around it enough, it will magically float above it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Then subscribe to the full Marin so you can hear my answers. As I said before, I'm focusing on important small things. The poetry of life. Someone sent me a box of walnuts. I got too many walnuts. It was a gift. It was half a joke gift, because I've been talking about walnut oil and walnuts and Omega-3s or whatever. So I got like, you know, too many walnuts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And that's the whole fucking journey. You know, the truth of which iron you should use is relative. And I'm not going to take anything away from that. I mean, really. But it is not... It's not going to give you some sort of compelling existential sort of transcendence, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I'm going to get golfers. I don't have that many.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
But also the connection, like even, I don't remember which story it was, but I got choked up and I'm relatively open and I'm sure there's a lot of unresolved things in my heart that I haven't cried over. But the fact is, is that you get moved. Those moments are important. I mean, that's the whole thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
The vulnerability of that connection you were talking about, that when other people witness it, it connects them to something, you know, this sort of the bigger sort of pain of being alive. And that relief of that, one way or the other. I mean, that's all we got, really. It's supposed to be anyways.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Es ist toll, weil in der Art, wie du deine Mutter charakterisierst, ist sie eine ziemlich spannende Charaktere. Sie ist. Aber das Ding ist, dass du das in dir hast, aber du hast auch die Möglichkeit, zu sagen, was mache ich? Ja, absolut. Was sie nicht. Nein. Und das ist ein ganz anderes Spiel. Das ist ein ganz anderes Spiel. Das ist das Geschenk. Und die Tötung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Aber für mich, selbst wenn ich Drogen gemacht habe, habe ich immer gesagt, weil die meisten meiner Helden Drogenbesitzer waren, also habe ich immer gesagt, wenn ich meinen Kopf verlieren werde, werde ich stoppen. Und wie weißt du das? Aber es gibt, und ich erinnere mich, dass du da auch gekommen bist, es gibt eine Ecke, jeder hat eine Ecke dazu.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Und die Unterschiede zwischen jemandem, der völlig zerbrochen ist, und jemandem, der zurückkommt, ist nur das Grundstück des Selbst, das nicht sterben will oder sich völlig verlieren will. Und wenn du das hast, ist es ein Geschenk, wenn du diese Präsenzien für Chaos und fucking Selbstabsturz hast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And I thought I'd put five walnuts out in front of my house for the squirrels. And I wondered when I did it, like, can they handle a walnut, the squirrels? Don't they have the teeth that, you know, does the nut thing? Isn't that what they're kind of about? And it's been a few hours and no takers. So I don't know. But, you know, it's interesting to think about. And now I have something to look at.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Well, I think that's the best. I think that if you look at therapy, I think that people who are Ja. Ja. Und ich denke, ich habe früher einen Witz darüber gemacht, wenn du in deinem 40er-Jahr älter bist und genug durchgekommen bist und zu TherapistInnen gekommen bist, musst du wissen, wofür du da bist. Du solltest in die Schule gehen und sagen, es gibt viele Dinge, die wir nicht lösen können.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So we can just tweak the ones that are bothering me now. That's it. Be specific. But the unfuckable, the things that are fucked, like you said, it's interesting that you're talking about you can look at it as trauma. There's a decision. Weil Trauma ein Witzwort ist und Traumatherapie wirklich ist. Und ich denke, es ist ein ziemlich guter Kontext, um Menschen zu behandeln.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Aber, weißt du, was, und ich mache das ganze bisschen auf der Bühne jetzt, wenn du deine Traumas identifizierst, ist es an dir, zu entscheiden, welches wirklich mein Leben beeinflusst hat und welches ich nur mitlebe. Und es ist okay, er kann dort leben. Das ist es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Sort of like looking at the rat traps down in my basement. You know, opposite ends of the spectrum. But both involve rodents. But I think one is definitely much nicer than the other one. Now, I could tell you about the vacuum insanity. But I don't want you to judge me. But this is just sort of where it's errands with purpose. Errens, that's what my life is built on. That's what I enjoy doing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Also, ich meine, das ist der Trick davon. Es kann alles Trauma sein, aber Trauma ist das, was jeden definiert. Ich denke so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
That's my morning routine. You're sitting in an ice bath and I'm doing that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And I think, for me, because I experienced the same thing. I had to speak up, because my audience, they're sensitive people. And I did feel those feelings. But after that, it's like, you can't sit there going, what are we going to... How are we gonna, you know, like, this is it, man. And you gotta protect your mind. And you gotta hold on to who you are.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Because the steamrolling effect of, like, an election that is that... Ja, genau. Because why?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
My producer said, the ocean stops at the shore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Some of them are deeper than others. But I got into sort of a vacuum shit show. You want to hear about it? I'll tell you about it. Okay, so I have this Dyson. I like Dysons. I have an animal too. Dysons, despite the story I'm going to tell you, are kind of the best vacuum. There's not a paid promotion. It's just once you have a Dyson, it's hard to have anything else.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Sure, sure. Like freedom of mind. Like, we're fucking old.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Yeah, so I'm 61. And it's just sort of like, I did it. I landed on my feet. I'm okay. And can I enjoy that, please? Yeah, please. Totally. Can I let myself or will you let me?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
The decibel shift is when you're not, is when you're talking to somebody else who's trying to get you to do something. Yeah, exactly. You're like, can I just, alright, okay, alright, I'll just do this one thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Und wir wissen, dass du nicht viel machst, aber wir wollen nur, dass du... Oh mein Gott, wie viele Tage am Tag kriege ich das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It's the worst. You know what I mean? I don't know. I know that when I do comedy, there's a lot of risk in that. In terms of whatever the context of risk is within that. Because I can't help but be me. And I'm not everybody's cup of tea. And it might take people a few minutes. Und dann, weißt du, ich habe verschiedene Dezibel-Level.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Es ist wie, naja, diese Arschlöcher sind nur ein paar verdammte Idioten. Ich muss hart reingehen. Aber dann ist es wie, es gibt keine Herausforderung dazu. Richtig. Richtig. Also dann startest du da hoch. Weißt du, ich starte da hoch. Ich bin wie, ich weiß nicht, was wir hier tun werden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
About that. But that is exactly what you're talking about. It was what happened on set the other day. It's just that moment when I came back from the trailer after lunch. It's sort of like, well, all I can do is show up for this and do the best I can. And I knew the risk. This guy asked me to carry a fucking movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I don't know if I can do that and do this acting thing and be an actor who's playing an actor, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It's base because you can't fake it. Yeah, you can't fake it. I can't fake it. When I got this movie, I'm like, I don't know how to become a caricature of myself. I don't know how to do this broad comedy shit. I can approach this like it's life or death, and that everything's immediate, and it's got to be happening here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Because it's like a jet engine vacuum. And they look cool. I've been a Dyson guy for a while. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. I'm not gonna blame her. It broke the same way the other one did. And I'm like, all right, well, fuck it. Now I gotta get a new vacuum, but this one feels pretty new. So maybe I should go get this one fixed, but that could take weeks. So anyway, she said, yeah, get a new vacuum.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And what was also weird about the Sharon scene is that it's not clear in that game that we're playing. Like, I had to cry, so you don't know why they're crying. Are they acting or they're not? It's a very weird scene. Aber wenn etwas geschrieben wird und die Emotionen drin sind und es eine gute Schrift ist, wirst du weinen. Du wirst das richtige Gefühl haben, weil es auf der Webseite ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Aber du kannst auch, und ich denke, das ist wahrscheinlich einer der Vorteile des Jobs, dass ich die Erfahrung nicht hatte, die du hast, ist, dass es Momente gibt, und Pacino hat es auch darüber gesprochen, wo es so ist, du versuchst, aber du kommst nicht immer da hin. Aber weil du ein Profi bist, wirst du das normalerweise nur wissen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
But in the tirade that I had with my manager, and I'm like, you know, it's like, how come no one's telling me I did a good job?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And in that moment, I didn't give a fuck. If he went and told the director, it's like, you just gotta pull the smoke up his ass. There you go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
The director pointed out something to me. He pointed out something to me that I do, but I don't, because I'm so, like, I'm in it. He said he's never experienced somebody, like, defensively agreeing with him. Er kommt zu mir und sagt, okay, ich denke, du kannst es zurückbringen. Ich sage, okay, ich habe es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It's so funny, the whole thing about when you get a role. Well, you're at a different level, but I get something like, who turned it down?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So creepy when you're just standing in that lobby of that courthouse or whatever it was. Hi. But so like when you lay out this stuff, well, the book is different.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So this feels like that, right? Let me see the book really quick. Just because we're just riffing. Sorry.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Schön. War das ein Poem? War es wie ein Poem? Nein. Das ist toll, wie du es schreibst, weil es wie ein Poem fühlt. Ich war in den Zeiten, als ich in der Schule war, in der Poesie lesen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It meant something to me. Well, that's the fucking... See, you have that in you. So that's the real risk. You can't help but be vulnerable. And then that means, if you have a certain ilk, you can't help but walk away from that going like, why did I do that? Why did I do that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Wie viel hast du... Es fühlt sich wie ein guter Ort an, aber ich möchte wissen, hast du journaliert?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So I bought one online. I don't know why. I went to Amazon, the Sparks vacuum, I think it's Sparks is the brand, I'm not sure. They had a lot of high reviews, it was like $100 and it looked like a vacuum, so I bought it. And I knew in the back of my mind, dude, it's a $100 vacuum, how is that going to fucking compare? I mean, there's no way it can be good, but I bought it and it came.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Another hour would have fucked that for 50 years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Why did you choose to go back and forth? It was interesting, the back and forth between Goonies and No Country.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Aber es gibt auch den Jungen, ich meine, es erscheint in der Geschichte, dass deine Mutter den Jungen unter dem Fahrrad trinkt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ja, es ist, wenn du die Frage beantworten kannst. Ja. Ja, wenn du die Frage nicht beantworten kannst. Du bist verletzt. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Or go hire your other person. My brother's into the ice baths now, too. Is he?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ich glaube, ich habe Bilder davon gesehen auf Instagram.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. One of the original podcasts. A classic. WTF is a classic podcast. I hope you're all doing okay. I'm going to live my life. I'm going to check in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And then, you know, a couple of days later, she goes, I'd like to get one of those those broom style vacuums, you know, the kind with the handle that's got the suction on the handle like a Dyson, like a like a V11. I thought, you know, you charge it up and, you know, that's supposed to be pretty good. So I had the Sparks vacuum and I'm like, well, fuck you, I want this vacuum.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Es ist seltsam, dass, wenn du das hast, weil ich denke, es kommt, diese Verletzung, diese Persistenz, um diese Art von Chancen zu nehmen, es nicht in irgendeiner Art und Weise zu tun und dich da draußen zu stellen. I always try to analyze it. What am I really looking for from this audience? Is it really my form of expression? There's some part of me where I think I'm defying you to love me as me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Yeah. I think sometimes you do it naturally just as a defense mechanism, and then all of a sudden you're stuck with this, like, well, I think I'm that guy. Totally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It's the nature of us. And the thing you were saying earlier, too, about whatever, I don't remember if it was golf or whatever, is that you have this moment where... Du kommst zu einem gewissen Alter, und es gibt Leute, die einfach nur arbeiten wollen und dann nach Hause kommen und essen und die Dinge anschauen. Und es ist so, ich habe das nie erlebt. Ich weiß nicht, was es ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So I got the other Dyson, the V11. I thought, well, that's, you know, it's smaller. It seems more compact. I'll just get that and I'll get the other one fixed whenever I get it fixed. And so I got the two vacuums. So she comes and she's like, she doesn't like the broom vacuum, the Dyson V11, because it doesn't hold a charge for shit. And you got to hold the trigger.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Ich habe keine Ahnung, was es ist. Keine Ahnung. Und das ist nicht so, dass manche Leute denken, das ist, weil du enttäuscht bist. Nein, ich habe keine Wahl. Ich wusste nie, was das war. Ja, und es ist nicht so, dass du nicht das tun musstest. Nein, es ist nicht so. Ich habe nie, es gab keinen anderen Weg.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Stay in the shit. That's a good way to end. Great talking to you again, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
There you go. That book, From Under the Truck, Josh's Memoir, is out November 19th. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
On the latest full Maron Bonus episode, I talked about the experience of being a lead in a movie and how everything felt just days after we wrapped. I don't know, a lot of things came together in my sort of moving towards this thing, you know, and I think a lot of them had to do with... Eine Menge Vorbereitung kam von vielen Gästen, die mir Aktivitäts- und Aktivitäts-Lessungen gegeben haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
You got to hold the trigger to vacuum. It doesn't just turn on and go. And so she's like, I can't, I don't want to use this. And I'm like, all right. And then we tried the Sparks vacuum and that was garbage. Didn't work. Didn't suck. Didn't suck. It sucks because it doesn't suck. So now I got three vacuums. One is broken. And I'm like, fuck.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Boomer lives! Monkey and Lafonda, Cat Angels everywhere!
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And then I was going to send back the V11 and return it. But to disassemble a vacuum and then repack it in the box it came in, it's not worth the time. Just take the hit. And so I'm like, well, I'll just put that vacuum in the fucking garage. There's no way. It's going to take me hours. And I went and looked up a video. To figure out how to repack the fucking Dyson.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And there's a guy on there, but even he's not confident. And I'm like, God damn it, fuck this. I'll just keep the fucking vacuum. I'll give the Sparks one to somebody. But now I've got these three vacuums, one broken Dyson. And I'm mad. I'm mad at Dyson. Because now I've got to go over to the repair center. But it's an errand with purpose.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I can go over there and go like, this isn't even two years old. I mean, what the fuck? I don't even know if I have a warranty. Is there somewhere you can check? I mean, I wouldn't yell, but there was purpose to it. I got three vacuums, one broken, two of which not usable. Fucking three vacuums. And I'm driving back from somewhere yesterday. And I'm just, I can't get it out of my mind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I'm like, fuck, dude. You just bought that animal, too, you know, a couple of years ago. And it's fucked. But, you know, you're not, you're going to want to buy a Dyson. You know, it's just like... So I get on my phone, I'm looking at Target. I was like fighting myself, but I went to Target and I bought an Animal 3. So now I have four fucking vacuums.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
And there's something about buying things out of spite. I don't know who I'm spiting. I'm spiting me. I made a mistake. I bought two vacuums that were not usable for my situation. So I'm like, well, fuck me. I'm just going to keep buying fucking vacuums. And granted, I know that this is a luxury problem and I have the means to continue to buy vacuums. Probably quite a few more, actually.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Not bragging, but I could probably afford another two vacuums. So now I got four vacuums, one broken Dyson and one Dyson in a box that I'll take out of the box. So the next time she comes, she can clean with it because I want to have what she wants. But I got four vacuums now. So yesterday I'm like, I'm going to go to the Dyson place. I've been there before.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I drive out to the valley of the Dyson place. Says it's open on the fucking Google Maps. And I get there and the store is not there anymore. The repair shop is gone. It's gone. So I was all ready to be like, you know, this shouldn't happen to a vacuum after two years. You know, I had purpose. An errand with purpose. Just dashed. Dashed. No Dyson place there. So I called Dyson.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Then there's another place. It's out past Downey. It's like an hour plus away. And I'm like, oh, fuck. So now I got the broken, crippled vacuum in my car. I don't know if I'm, I just don't know if I'm going to get out there. But it is one of those things where like, hey, when shit is fucked up and chaos reigns and you've got a spare hour, maybe you got a little trip out there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
I'm going to get overly caught up in the day-to-day drama of my small life, which has probably a little more time than some of you. Because, you know, I'm self-employed. I do this. I do the stand-up. I do the acting. I do, you know...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Trip out past Downey to go to the Dyson store to get a little justice. But right now I have four vacuums. One in a box, one dead in my car, one on my porch that was garbage to begin with, and one out here, which I kind of like. So what is the moral of this story? I don't know. Someone might get a gift. Somebody might get a vacuum. Somebody I love might get a vacuum.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
So look, Josh Brolin wrote a very good book. It's a memoir. It's about him. I like things about individuals. I've often been criticized as someone who talks too much about himself, but that's all I know that is true. You know what I'm saying? It's coming right from me. But I like the book. I like him. The memoir, the book from Under the Truck, it's called, comes out next Tuesday, November 19th.
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Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
You can pre-order it now. And this is a return visit with Josh Brolin.
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Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Jetzt möchte ich auf den Zinn doppeln. Das ist so lustig. Ich gehe in meine Tür, um dich zu lassen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It's pure fucking addiction. It's all the trappings of addiction without it being damaging to your life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
But I mean, it's a lot of work, but I can make time to fill my life with errands of purpose, errands of meaning, the things that make up my life, the things that bring me joy and engagement outside of talking to people, either in here or in comedy clubs, theaters, just the day-to-day and getting things done that just come up That is the bulk of my life. Look around your life.
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Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
Well, yeah, I was, I had the same thing, just a panic. I was working in Canada for three months and they don't sell Zinzins. And then the smoke shops have these different things. They're Chinese bootleg things. But both of us having had a history with drugs. I mean, this, it's so fucking real. And the same thing goes through your head. It's like, this is crazy.
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Episode 1591 - Josh Brolin
It's just fucking, but you know, you get up and you're like, fuck, I gotta get back. I got me back up. I need about six. I bought two rolls. Two rolls?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Du hast ein paar von ihnen. Aber ich trage sie, wenn ich auf der Bühne bin, ich trage diese Tour, ich trage das Shirt, das du hast, aber es sieht nicht so aus. Also hast du das auf Grundlage gemacht?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Okay, also eine Idee wie diese. Das ist eine ziemlich traditionelle westländische Schuhe. Ja. Und du wirst mit dieser Farbe hübsch. Ja. Weil du Leute in Japan hast.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Right. But the idea of the fabric is supposed to be that fabric. But the fabric that you found here was not made in Japan either.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So for this vision of this particular shirt, you've got to track down a manufacturer in Japan. Yeah. And you found a guy.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Like they grind the stuff to make the dye? I've watched Instagram Reels of things that are either Chinese or Japanese where they start with like rocks. Yeah.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
I've been on the road for a week and that doesn't sound like a lot, but every day is at least two to three days in road years when you're out here and I'm ready to get home. I get a little isolated, a little strangely lonely out here. But here's what's going on. Let me tell you what's going on today. A couple of things. My special taping has been announced.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, es ist verrückt, es zu sehen. Es ist verrückt.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Wenn ich das Shirt packen, nimmt es viel Raum. Ja. You gotta make way for it in the suitcase. I bring that shirt on the road now and I also perform in the moleskin. That green moleskin. With the brass buttons. Those are the two performing shirts for this tour. I'm glad they're with you, Benny. Yeah, they're the Shipjohn Specials.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And then I got the Wills jacket, and I guess you just got my booking agent one, Joe. He got one, Joe Schwartz. No shit. Yeah, he just ordered it regularly. Oh, cool. I didn't hook you up. But I guess he got it shortened a little bit, and he said, yeah, it seemed really long. I'm like, that's because Mike cuts everything to fit him. Everything could be a little long.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, well, I mean, like, wait, well, so where does it start, though? I mean, because I know, I know you're just a Jersey guy. Yeah, yeah. But, like, not North Jersey. I come from North Jersey.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
I don't, man. I mean, I know, here's what I know. I know Bergen County and I know the Jersey Shore and I know Jersey City. So I know, you know, Patterson, Wayne, Pompton Lakes, Haskell, Butler, up where my grandparents were. Yeah. And I know Jersey City and then I know like Monmouth County. Gotcha.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
It's a beach. It's like it's on the water. It's by Asbury.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Wir haben ein Argument darüber, was ein echter Jersey ist. Das ist nicht, wo Bruce Springsteen von kommt.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So wait, this was before oyster farms? They're farmed.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So the hipsters figure out a way to pick oysters. The hipsters do. I just know that when you go up the coast, up outside in Northern California and stuff, and up into Washington, you get all these different kinds of oysters. It just seems like someone got the idea to breed these things and then put them on strings so you could pick them off.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
I'll be doing two shows at the Bam Harvey Theater in Brooklyn on Saturday, May 10th, 7 p.m. and 9.30 p.m. There's a pre-sale going on today from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. Eastern Time. Presale Code is all in all caps one word. Tickets are on sale to the general public tomorrow, Friday, March 14th.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, because like there's some like, and then you've got all the clamming, no clamming in the family.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, none of those big quahogs or steamers. What are the steamers, those little ones, little necks?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, that's what I remember about the Jersey Shore, is go get in those bucket of steamers. Melted butter on those things. Yeah, just pull the thing off the tongue. Do you still eat shellfish? I haven't eaten shit. I haven't eaten any of the meats of sea or land. What do you get at Cantor's? For two years.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Sie machen es jetzt, es ist nur ein paar Jahre her, aber sie machen einen veganen Reuben, der ist fucking großartig. Keine Scheiße. Ja. Okay. Einige Firmen machen einen veganen Kornbeef-Faximile. Gotcha. Der ist nur mit den Speisen. Und dann kannst du den Sauerkraut, veganes russisches Dressing, Avocado anstatt Käse. Sie grillen es. Es ist fucking gut. Ich wette, es ist gut. Ich weiß nicht.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ich verliere nicht das Fleisch. Was soll ich dir sagen? Du musst es nicht haben. Wie hast du dich verhindert, ein Fischermann zu werden? I moved to Philadelphia. But what was the incentive? You got brothers and sisters?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And your dad's still around or no? Yeah, he's still around.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, ja, die Blue Crab. Was sind die anderen, die größeren? Dungeness.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
They are good. You need one of them. And then what are those ones down in Florida? Like Joe's Crabs, those bigger, there's another type of crab down there where it's kind of like a Dungeness.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, well you gotta go to Joe's Crab Shack or whatever. I'll make a trip. It's a big deal. It's a big deal, those crabs.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So basically you're in a family of fishermen. Yep. And everyone's kind of hanging out. And what makes you want to get the fuck out of there? I just didn't quite...
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Bow hunting or gun hunting? A little of both. So you can handle a bow?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So you grew up shooting those guns? Yeah. 22, shotguns, big ones?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So first off, let's go into who's on the show today, because this is an interesting episode of WTF, because I talked to a guy. He's not the kind of guy I usually talk to. I mean, he's as a person he is, but he's not in entertainment. Er ist nicht in der Musik. Er ist kein Schriftler, aber er ist ein Typ, den ich, was würdest du ihn nennen? Ein Künstler, ein Künstler von Kleidung, von Accessorien.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Oh, that's some fun kid stuff. Fun kid shit. What did he think was going to happen? I don't know if he did think. So you really grew up in that sort of rugged, outdoor, working class world.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah. Because there's something about Shipjohn, and it's always been the way with me in certain clothing. in that I know I'm not living the life that the clothing honors. So I've got to temper my purchases to acknowledge the fashion and not come off as a poser of any kind.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Für die Arbeit. Ich denke, Filson ist in der gleichen Weise. Ich erinnere mich, dass ich vor ein paar Millionen Jahren einen Scherz gemacht habe, als Arbeitsscherzeuge wieder populär waren. Als ich in der Schule war. Diese Jungs hatten diese Scherze mit einem Namen drauf und ich hatte einen Scherz darüber. Ja, das muss jemandem gehören, der einen Job hatte.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Well, you know, I'm just careful. I had an experience where, and I've told this story before, but not too many times, where... You know, I was in Boston and one of the DJs who used to show up at comedy shows to kind of promote him, he always had these amazing leather jackets. And Vanson Leathers was in Quincy. So I'm like, well, I asked him, where do you get it?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And he's like, you gotta go out to Quincy to Vanson. So I'm like, I'm going out there. I'm gonna go to the source, you know. Und ich erinnere mich daran, dass ich einen Jackett ausprobiert habe und ein Typ, der mir gut passt, da war er. Er sagt, wenn du auf sehr hohen Geschwindigkeiten reisen wirst, wirst du wahrscheinlich etwas brauchen, das etwas schneller passt als das hier.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ich bin so, als ob ich einen Sweater ausprobieren würde, der mir gut passt. Ich werde viel auf dem Weg gehen.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ich hatte einen, den ich oft anhatte, aber ich habe immer ein Problem mit Schmerz. Ich glaube, Dino und Del Rey haben beide an. Ich glaube, ich habe sie ihm einfach gegeben. If you wanted to sort of move them or sell them. Because the one I really liked, like I sweat through. So now I got to, you know, really, I don't sweat as much as I used to. Maybe I'm more relaxed. That's the meat.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
You got rid of the meat? Maybe. I think I got rid of the stress too, some of it, in terms of the nerves that made me sweat. But like with leathers, they're porous. So like if you sweat through a leather, it'll get that, you know, that salt stain on it. And it fucks it up. There's nothing you can, you can't get rid of it.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
You can re-dye it, I guess. It bummed me out. But that's why when I got that... I think I got some fabric from you. Like the most waterproof fabric you had, you just sent me a little piece of it. I don't remember, because I wanted them to sew armpit things into that suede thing.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
The Y2. I had a guy, the tailor I know, kind of fabricate some sweat things.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, to put it inside it. Just so to have a little boundary so I don't fuck the suede up. Oh shit, alright. Makes sense now. Ja, das war die Idee. Okay, also was machst du in Philadelphia? Ich arbeite seltsame Jobs. Ich war ein Balletparker. Du wolltest nur nach Philly gehen, weil es eine große Stadt war?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Wirklich? Das klingt nicht wie ein Manns-Game.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
With the rollerblades? Yeah. Okay, but how did the guys on skateboards look at the rollerbladers?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Er macht Dinge, die er machen will, aus Brust und aus Fabrik. und aus Kleidung. Sein Name ist Mike Elias und er ist der Verbraucher und Kreator und Designer für ein Ort namens Ship John, das ist in Portland, Oregon. Ich habe es vorher erwähnt, weil ich seine Sachen immer tragen und es ist nicht, weil ich es muss, es passt mir einfach. Und es passt mir. Aber er hat eine interessante Geschichte.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Wer war der Skater, der dich kennengelernt hat, der dich bei Canters kennengelernt hat?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Er ist ein guter Kerl. Er war ein kompetitiver Rollerblader, der Kerl?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Aber du hast nie Skateboards gemacht. Ich habe auch Skateboards gemacht. Yeah? Competitively? No, no, no, no. Can you go up the side of a pool and then turn around and come down? Yeah, I could still do that. I probably shouldn't do that.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
That's crazy. How do you pronounce your last name? Elias. Elias. Because I was going, I knew it could have been Elias or Elias. A lot of people go Elias, but Elias.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
That's a family name. Yeah. All right, so what occurs... Because your journey as a clothing manufacturer is a little peculiar, isn't it?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So you're skating and you're working in restaurants in Philadelphia.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Das ist gut. Du spielst Gitarre auf der Straße. Du lebst einen pseudo-Hippie-Leistung.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, trimming. You did that? You're picking buds? Picking buds, trimming buds. This would be for hydroponic, right? It was out in the wild. This is in the woods, yeah. So an illegal pop farm in the woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That must have been pretty. Because I remember that was where all the good pot came from for a while. Oh, yeah.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Das ist ein bisschen wie Del Rey, Dean Del Rey. Ich habe mich vor Jahren an den Schiff John eingeladen. Dean ist ein bisschen wie ein Fashion Plate. Dean ist ein Typ, der immer ein gewisser Art ist. Ich meine, es ist nicht für jeden, aber es gibt ein Welt, in dem Dean existiert, und das hat mit Schuhen, Schuhen zu tun.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Back in the day when I still used drugs, you know, I remember when, like, you know, like when buds came. Yeah. Like they were rare. I mean, like all of a sudden you're getting these fucking Humboldt buds.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
I was still smoking weed and it was pretty exciting. That was like the place. I knew guys who came from up in that area, played in a band called Dieselhead. Oh, you would like that band, actually. I'll check them out.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
There's only like two records, but they were kind of this odd bunch of guys who were playing around San Francisco that did kind of a hillbilly, punky kind of, not really hillbilly, but it's hard to describe them, but I kind of knew those guys and they were all kind of humble kids. Yeah. So you're up in Humboldt picking buds?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Unglaublich ist Stumptown für jede Art und Weise immer noch ein sehr guter Kaffee. Es ist ein toller Kaffee. And I can't ever figure out what it is, but I guess the magic is in the roast and the beans. But if you drink Stumptown, you're like, oh, this is Stumptown. It has a flavor.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Right, it's a magic. Yeah. You gotta find the magic numbers. Everybody roasts coffee. Intelligentsia is sort of the same way. They make a good coffee. Where you can actually tell this is Intelligentsia, no matter what bean it is. Sure, sure. Yeah, so Stumptown. Right, I don't even know, I don't get how that works. So you're at the only Stumptown.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Jackets and eyeglass frames I would say are the primary things guitars as well he knows about he knows about a lot of things t-shirts but one time we were up in Portland and he was opening for me and he knew this guy that had a little workshop in a very small little workshop store and he designed jackets I was kind of into the jacket idea it was a Ja, genau.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
But how does that happen? You're just a dude who's got no real vision. And when do you like make your first shit? What compels you? Es war immer dieselbe Sache.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, aber trotzdem, es gab einen großen Schritt zwischen dem, dass es nicht mehr da ist und...
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Well, yeah, but that's all, that's like your dad, you know, you gotta teach yourself. Yeah. Du hattest also eine verdammte Säuermaschine, du hast Teile von Kleidung entfernt, damit du die Farben herausfinden kannst, und du hast Bike-Hats gemacht. Ich habe Bike-Hats gemacht.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ich mache die Hatten. Aber du machst eine Hatte nach der anderen.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Did they sell pretty good? Yeah, they sold out. So now you're in the shop and you're starting to learn how to put together bikes?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, ich weiß, ich habe einige. Ich habe einige Metall-Bitte. Ja. Every time you get a wild idea, I'm like, oh, yeah, okay. I need that thing that holds the record down. Some weird Mike Brass bit of business.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
In der Welt, in der du arbeitest, hast du den Kaffeeshop abgeholt, um an der Bikeshop zu arbeiten. Und dann, was passiert? Du hast also diese Metall-Skillset, du hast Hats gemacht. Was ist dann der nächste Jump?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
called the Wills Jacket and it's a very specific and unique design and it's fucking awesome. And oddly, Mike, Ship John himself, designed that jacket 10 years ago. It's the 10th anniversary of the Wills Jacket tomorrow. And a lot of you are like, who cares? What is that? What does that mean? It's some guy who makes a jacket?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Isn't that crazy? It used to be owned by Radio Shack. No shit. Yeah. Tandycore-owned Radio Shack. I know they were affiliated. I didn't know that. Anytime I went to a Tandy store for whatever, rarely in my life. But I just remember there always being a Tandy store. I grew up in New Mexico and I'm like, who the fuck is shopping in here? Who's making these belts?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So, all right, so you figure out where to get leather tools.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, sie machen immer noch die Tools. Und was ist mit den Leathers? Gehst du zu Horween oder was machst du da? Ich benutze Horween.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Aber jetzt, neben der Fähigkeit und den Werkzeugen, die diese Sachen herausfinden, recherchierst du auch Materialien?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, um es zu verstehen. Der erste Schritt, den du nach den Hatten gemacht hast, waren die Taschen?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
You still do that? Still do that, yeah. So where does the influence to kind of broaden it out, you got that from Filson?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Well, I remember when I bought my Will's jacket early on, Denn Dean brachte mich zu dem ersten Shop. Ich wusste nicht, wer du bist. Ja, aber du hattest einen kleinen Retail-Store.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Und Dean, ich habe dich kennengelernt und er hat mir das Jackett aufgeschlagen. Und Dean ist die Pipeline für alle kleinen Künstler.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, er ist so interessant. Aber ich glaube, zwischen ihm und mir haben wir ein paar Kunden gebracht.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
But the problem is, when bringing new customers, people are like, I gotta wait a year for that jacket. Oh yeah, but it'll be cool. But I remember you telling me, on my wills, You said that that oil cloth, that tin cloth that that's made out of, was Filson surplus. Or from the same place that Filson used to get it.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Well, you know, to all of us, no matter what we do, when there are sort of markers of our life, of our career, of our Art or whatever it is, it's a big deal. And this jacket is sort of a big deal. And I'll validate that. I will say it's a big deal to me. I wear the thing all the time. And it's a unique thing. But ultimately, it leads to a bigger conversation.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So was that a detour or were you still kind of chipping away at the close?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ja, für den Rest davon. Ja. Und du hast herausgefunden, wie du sie alle machst. Also, wann... Ich weiß nicht, ob ich es noch herausgefunden habe, aber... But when do you start to make it your business? Is that with the Wills?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Und du hattest deine Leder-Tools drin? Deine Leder-Tools. Deine Säugmaschine.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Und du hattest noch keine Kinder. Not yet. Yeah. No. And so, but you're also learning how to, you know, draw patterns. Yep. And doing all that. Yeah. So what, so the real, the moment of lightning in a bottle was this Will's jacket.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Und du hattest niemanden, der dich arbeitete? Nein, nur mich. Will's Jackets. Aus dieser einen Farbe. Ja. So that's all you were making at a certain point?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
He also gave me an oiled tin cloth shirt that I wore on Colbert that was way too hot. It was really not that kind of shirt. But since then, I'm wearing Ship John stuff most of the time. Whether it's the shirt or the jacket, occasionally a hat. He just sent me... die Shipjohn-Version eines Utility Knives, eines Stanley Knives, mit dem er eine Obsession hat, mit dem wir sprechen werden.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Alright, so when do you start hiring people and broadening the merchandise?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Du hast niemanden da, der sich fragt, was ist mit dieser Idee?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
It's funny, because when I bought the Wills, I think I bought a... Waxed shirt that I wore on Colbert, remember? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was too hot to wear on Colbert. I bet.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Well, yeah. I mean, it's a layer for rain. I mean, that's just my thing. It's like, this is a cool shirt. And there I am on Colbert, sweating my balls off in a waxed shirt. It looked pretty good, though. It looked good. Wrong place to wear it. Okay, so then you just start making all the other stuff.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
2017, 18. I love the story behind the stitching on the back pockets of the jeans. Oh, yeah, yeah. There has to be a signature to jeans. Yeah. And you did it with a record.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, and that's where you get that. And now for the denim nerds, because I'm not a nerd, But you've got some machine that you hemmed my... Those things shrunk up a little on me. I might need to get some more. Okay. Jeans. What's that shit? Because they're about just right, but I think they did pull up a little bit. I don't know how it happened. Huh? You dry them? No. No?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
I don't know how it happened. Huh. But they're fine. They're good. I wear them. But what is that machine that is so sought after for that bottom hem?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Aber die Geschichte ist interessant, weil er nicht ausgestattet wurde, um das zu tun. You know, he comes from an oyster fisherman family in New Jersey. And the story is great. And he's a real, like, he had to learn this craft. Not unlike anybody who has to do something creative or that they're possessed to do. And the arc of the story is pretty fucking interesting.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Es ist verletzt. Nein, nein, sie machen es nicht mehr. Also, du bekommst einen kleinen Zeitreise-Element. Ja, definitiv. Also, wann ist der Angriff passiert?
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Die Good Art Sachen sind so fucking cool. Sie sind Magiker. Ja, und jetzt bin ich wie ein Bracelet-Typ. I've been that in my life at a different time back when I wore black cowboy boots.
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Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, now it seems back. These are good ones. Yeah, this one could probably be a little smaller, but it's okay. Der neue ist wunderschön, der von Good Art. Also ja, du hattest ein Event.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And I deal with them all the time. We exchange records, we... We hang out when I'm in Portland or he's down here. And, you know, there's a lot of stuff that he's involved with. Like, I've always been a little... I've always felt like a little bit of a fraud when I wear, you know, boots and jackets that are sort of meant for, you know, hard work, which is sort of why he created the jackets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Oh, really? Oh, you went to the trial? Yeah. Yeah. The arraignment for him. And the other guy was... No. No. That's interesting. So a form of an apology? Like he said he was high or what?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Aber danach hat sich das Geschäft gehalten und nach der Rückkehr bist du wieder reingegroovt, oder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Still doing it. Yeah. Now, when does... Because, like, you know, I remember I asked you years ago that, you know, you do a lot of collaborations, I guess.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
But there is a look to it, and it's just something I've landed on. I'm not going to feel too guilty about it any more than I feel... Identität, Selbst, Wer du denkst, wer du wirklich bist. Guck, Kleidung hat viel damit zu tun. Haare haben viel damit zu tun. Aber das ist auch das Gleiche mit Persönlichkeit. Es war ein schweres paar Tage hier in Austin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
You know, with Wesco Leather. Wesco Boots. Wesco Boots and then the Leather Langlets. Langlets, yeah. And you have relationships with people in Japan that love your shit. You seem to go over there a lot. Yeah. Is it primarily to... Buy fabric or sell stuff or what's the global market of this stuff?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Oh, of course. It never seemed that way to me. But it's also interesting and not unlike food, where if you've got people that are craftsmen that love what they do, and they're constantly doing new things or honoring a tradition, the integrity and quality of this stuff is great. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Exactly. It's all that hard work. No, I just noticed it, but we got on that right away. But I guess I asked you early on, because even the nature of the shop, like the new shop, It's like a functioning boutique. Like, I mean, you've got a lot of stuff. Yeah. I mean, you've got stuff coming in. You've got products you like to sell that don't necessarily, your name's not on them. Yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
But all kinds of stuff, you know, jackets, pants, gloves, hats. You did a T-shirt in the Marc Maroon color. Yeah. Did that sell? They're gone. Oh, good. Yeah. Du hast einen schwarzen Tee gemacht, einen leichten Tee, einen schwarzen Tee, und du hast das West Coast-Stuff, du hast ein bisschen Langlitz-Stuff, und dann das gute Kunststück. Aber dann hast du die Achse. Du bist in diesen Achsen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Ich weiß, du hast ein bisschen Schweden. Was ist die Achse-Familie, mit der du arbeitest?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Some magic, some dark magic, some prophetic magic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And they sell good? They sell pretty good. Well, I guess the question I had early on, though, was like, have you been offered to be bought out?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And I guess the only drawback is that you can only do so many. If you're going to do a Will's Jacket Run... People are going to order them a year in advance and then they'll get made. So I guess that becomes the question. Is there any way to make more of these and maintain the integrity of how I do it? And I guess the answer has been no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Hey, look, man, if you're making enough for the life you want to live and you're providing what your employees need, I mean, like, that should be enough.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's got a classic wax baseball cap style. Yeah, one of ours. And then you do the trucker hats, the trucker cut. Yeah. I have a few of those. Yeah, the classic. Yeah, it's a big difference, man. It's weird where that type of hat is gone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Well, the Fastbacks, is that what they're called? The Snapbacks? Snapbacks. They're their own thing and they're pretty good, if you like that style. But yeah, those dumb ones that fit real tight on your head, I don't know what those are. It's the new style of that hat. I like the ones you make with the big top for the old style from when I was growing up. Totally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Steve Fine Arts hat das Dokumentarfilm über meine Leben premieriert. Fokussiert auf die Verletzung von Lynn Shelton an alle, die sie liebte, insbesondere mich. Und ich habe Ideen darüber, wer ich bin. Und manchmal passt das nicht mit der Realität zusammen. Ich würde sagen, das ist wahrscheinlich meistens so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
High crown. So what's the big plan for the future? Just to keep on keeping on?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And now you seem to have an obsession with making metal stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Someone I worked with on the movie, her husband's an audiophile, and she's like, I just don't know what to get. I'm like, I do. Oh yeah. Yeah. Even if you don't use it, it looks nice sitting there. It's a cool thing. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if she got one. I have no way of knowing that. And before we go, what's the... Your obsession with Stanley knives, utility knives, is kind of interesting. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Like, you know, years. Like, what's the oldest Stanley Utility Knife?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
I gotta get one. How quick do they fly off the shelves?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Alright, buddy. Well, it was great talking to you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Thank you. There you go. That's not a usual WTF story, but it is a human story. And it is the story of a guy who was possessed with the need to create and manufacture and design. Great guy. And I'm glad to have talked to him. And again, the Decade Wills jacket is available tomorrow. Go to shipjohn.us to order it. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Hey Leute, wir haben den 20. Ask Mark Anything Bonus-Episode für Fullmarin-Subscriber gestartet, mit meinen Antworten auf eure Fragen, insbesondere dieser. Habt ihr jemals während eines Live-Sets geblankt und vergessen, wie man zurück auf den Weg geht? Wie handelt man sich damit um? Es passiert, ich würde es nicht bezeichnen, aber manchmal verpasst man ein Stück der Geschichte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Das ist schon passiert, wo ein integrierter Stück... Ja, genau. in einer Live-Show, wo ich das machen kann. Ich glaube nicht, dass es auf der TV passiert, aber es passiert. Und meistens ist die immediate, auf deinen Füßen Sache, wirklich nur zurückzuladen. Schau, ob du es da hinbekommst, bevor du zum Ende kommst, damit du das Stück nicht verpasst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Und ich habe darüber gesprochen, wie mein erstes Aussehen des Doktors eine erstaunliche Erfahrung war. Aber es war noch einmal eine erstaunliche Erfahrung. and sad and entertaining. I mean, I could see it was funny and how it would be funny and touching to people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Du kannst alle Ask Mark Anything Episoden hören und neue Bonus-Episoden zweimal pro Woche mit dem Einladen für den vollen Maron. Geh einfach zum Link in der Beschreibung der Episode. or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF Plus. And a reminder, before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Alright, here's some guitar from back in the day.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Boomer Lives, Monkey, La Fonda, Cat Angels Everywhere, and Buddy Holly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
But to me, kind of reengaging with the grief and reengaging with what I was going through and reengaging with building a comedy set from that was heavy. But I got to be honest with you, the stuff that had the most impact on me, and I imagine some people, certainly the newer generations, Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And that to me was really oddly the most disturbing stuff to watch in a in a in a kind of cringy way. You know, the emotional stuff that I'd gone through in the past four years or five years was was was not, you know, I could reengage with that. But all the early stuff of me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
trying to figure out who I was on stage and really trying to figure out who I was as a person is a little tough to watch because the truth is, and I speak to specific people who are either self-aware of this or suspected, Wenn du nicht in einem emotional aufgeräumten Haus wächst, das relativ gesund war, wo du dich ermöglicht hast, dich zu erfüllen, dann ist es ein scharfes Gehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
You try on a lot of personality pieces. You try on a lot of jackets and shirts and boots. You try a lot of haircuts. You try a lot of glasses frames. You try a lot of music. You read books about how to be who you are. It's a very specific type. I don't think it's unusual. And I don't think it's unusual in my audience. But it's a real thing. So to see myself...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
an verschiedenen Phasen im Alter, aber auch an verschiedenen Phasen und versuchen, eine Stimme als Comic zu finden. Es war ein bisschen viel und es hat mich wirklich verarscht, während ich das Show gesehen habe, weil ich das ganze Ding sehe und ich bin so, weißt du, bin ich, bin ich das immer noch, bin ich, bin ich, bin ich in mir gelandet? Ich meine, ich hoffe es. Und die Wahrheit ist, ich habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And it's not great. I know your experience of me is what it is. And I give you as much of myself as I can, which is not nothing. It's an awful lot. Seeing how I am from an outside perspective was really...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
It was kind of daunting, because many of you know, over the years of listening to me, my need or propensity or compulsion to compare myself to other comics, to think that, you know, why am I not more popular in a broader way? And the thing is, I never really set out to do that, and I always was kind of against it. So what was interesting about...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
watching this thing is i'm exactly really what i set out to be but there's always this other part of you that judges your it's not even a grass is greener kind of thing it's it's more like that guy seems to have his shit together on all levels and look at him presenting himself and being broadly popular and making a fortune and and being good at what he does why am i not that guy
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So that's not really a grass is greener in the sort of traditional sense. It's just sort of like, why can't I be a whole person that seems to be in control of their being? Why? Why am I always falling horizontally? Why is my brain on fire all the time? Why am I always catastrophizing and thinking the worst of myself? Why? I have answers to these questions. Some of them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Das habe ich auf diesem Show gesprochen. Ich habe Frameworks, die ich über Zeit benutzt habe, psychologische und, weißt du, Rückkehrsthemen, aber, aber es ist immer noch so, es ist immer noch so, es ist immer noch so, es ist immer noch so, es ist immer noch so, es ist immer noch so, es ist immer noch so,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So, what was kind of revelatory about watching this documentary about me is that, you know, I'm turning into this, I wouldn't say eccentric character, but a character nonetheless. And I've always noticed... Ja, genau. I can see it in their disposition, their hair, the wrinkles on their face. And you notice this with actors and everything else. But it's sort of hard to notice for yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
But I'm on the outside of middle age here, and I'm watching this movie, and some things haven't changed, but some things aren't going to change. And at a certain point, some things you're going to have to just accept about who you are. It is a whole package. And it's been sort of like that way for a while.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
So I think the big lesson for me was like, all right, well, whatever I thought I was going to be, And whatever on occasion I still think I could be or still think I should be is not relevant to the fact that I am who I am for better or for worse. And that I think that getting to that point sooner than later with yourself is probably a good thing to kind of like give yourself a break a little bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
The fact is, I'm doing exactly what I've always wanted to do. And I'm doing it exactly the way I want to do it. And there is really no other way. Yet that voice persists. So removing that guy from the equation means that there's some radical self-acceptance that has to happen. Und ich glaube, es ist passiert. Ich glaube, es ist passiert, weil dieses Dokument.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fuck nix what's happening i'm mark maron this is my podcast welcome to it it's one of the originals that's what i'm told i just uh watched a documentary about myself last night i'm in austin texas hopefully i'll be home uh I guess it will be today when you hear about this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
Und es ist so ein seltsamer, emotionales Dokumentarfilm, das ich mir vorgestellt habe, dass es, wenn es vorbei war, du das Gefühl bekommst, dass es schade ist, dass dieser Kerl gestorben ist. Weißt du, als ich auf der Bühne war, You know, with Steven after the movie, I got up and I'm like, this guy's still alive. There was a moment where I'm like, I'm still alive.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
This is not one of those docs where you're like, God, I wish I, I'm glad I've been introduced to his work, but it's sad that he's gone. No, I'm here and I'm walking up to the stage right now. So, it was an exciting weekend and I was wearing a Ship John shirt when I got up on the stage because it seems that the Ship John shirts seem to fit the me who I am currently and presently.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
And it seems to be pretty much all of me. And the guy who designed that shirt is on the show today. So... It is, as I said before, tomorrow, March 14th, is the 10th anniversary of the Ship John Wills jacket. And Ship John is releasing a special decade edition of the jacket tomorrow. You can check it out at shipjohn.us. It might not be easy to get one and you might have to wait for it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1625 - Mike Elias
But let's get into the life of Mike now. This is me talking to Mike Elias in the garage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
You know, I kind of, I wonder about this all the time, because obviously, you know, show business has shifted into, you know, old school show business has shrunken. and become a little more insulated.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And these sort of do-it-yourself operations that have become empires and dictate a lot of the cultural language, which is not very artful or thoughtful or even genuinely intellectual or genuinely philosophical. And entertainment has been limited to what we can hold in our hand. I do find that the impact for me, but I'm a different guy than the regular people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I don't know if there's going to be air traffic controllers in the towers. A lot of things that my brain does that are probably unnecessary. Some of them practical, some of them just panic driven. I'm in Des Moines, Iowa at the Hoyt Sherman Place tomorrow, February 14th. Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theater this Saturday, February 15th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I don't mean to say it like that, not to be condescending.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Ja, dass ich, dass ich, dass ich, dass ich, dass ich, dass ich, dass ich, dass ich,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Yeah, movies and the idea that it held a primary cultural place for most people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Totally. Like, there's stuff comes out with big people. And I'm like, I don't know where that is. Where is that? How you even find it. Yeah, what is that on? Well, it'll be on this for a month. And then you can see it at this other thing. Right. Fuck. Fuck.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Like, it kind of... I think how it works is, like, with me, okay, so where I'm at, doing stand-up. Right. So, I'm old school. I'd like to be paid to do a thing. Right. Right. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Right, but there was a time where like now the idea with that is like, well, you know, it'd be great if it got on a streamer. I mean, when you did Heavy, you still wanted to be in a movie theater, at least for a month or two. And then there was still like this idea that like, well, there are people like I like independent film.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Then I'm in Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel next Thursday, February 20th. Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater on Friday, February 21st. Louisville, Kentucky at the Baumard Theater on Saturday, February 22nd. Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House on Sunday, February 23rd.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And I don't know that people can even identify those distinctions anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Right, right, there's a pattern. Right. But also, the other thing is, if you're in a movie theater, it's not like, yeah, I went to the movies, I watched it for five minutes and left.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Und auch, das ist wahr, aber auch der Kanon von allem ist irgendwie weg. I don't know if it's people's interest, but then again, I'm getting old. You and I are like exactly the same age, I think. And, you know, I don't know what the young people are gravitating towards in any general way or what interests them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I do know that there are some young people that are sort of like I was and they go find this stuff. But culturally, I have no fucking idea.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Dann komme ich nach Oklahoma, Texas, Südkarolina, Illinois, Michigan, Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire und New York City für mein Spezial-Taping. Geh zu WTFpod.com für alle meine Dates und Links zu Tickets. Okay, also hier bin ich. I've decided and maybe I've talked about this in conversation. Call me crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Das ist lustig, weil auf diese Begriffe, und ich glaube, das sagen die Leute immer, dass es einen Element eines Westerns zum Dillon-Film gibt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I'm sure that knowing my audience, though I know there's a separation between, you know, my audience, generally speaking, in terms of health oriented stuff and, you know, off the grid whack jobs who are, you know. Only cooking with tallow, eating lots of butter and probably not getting vaccinated. But, you know, the spiritual kind of new age health community.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
When was the last time you watched Jeremiah Johnson? It's a beautiful film. It's unbelievable. And it's straight up a western, but he kind of subverted the whole thing. The guy that Redford plays is a western character, but his journey is so different and so solitary.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Well, doesn't that come down to the... It seems that... Yes, but you also have to know, is it the one in the right shot? Meaning, that's where the visual side comes to bear, which is that
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I'm sure I've got a few members, but, you know, there's an umbrella of those types of people. But I've decided that, look, walnuts. Can we talk walnuts for a minute? And then, you know, and I am asking for feedback. And I imagine the subject line is, will be walnuts. And I talked to my trainer, who's pretty well informed, and a nutritionist. They all are on the spectrum of nutritionists.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
So you have to leave it open for collaboration or else you're going to get into it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
So walnuts, they're supposed to be good for your heart, good for your brain, good for everything. You look these things up, and they're kind of like, wow, these are miracle-working nuts. A lot of nuts. Hazelnuts, Brazil Nuts, Pumpkin Seeds. Now, because I've been vegan, and also I'd like to mention that I do wear leather. I do, and I do eat honey. So, if I'm not on Team You, suck it up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Das ist interessant, weil jemand, der Zeit auf der Bühne spart, alles, der Fokus, der Welt der Fokus, in der du auf der Bühne bist, ist so eingeschränkt und so spezifisch, dass, ob das, was dich umdreht, sich bequemt oder nicht, es eine Einzelheit der Emotionen gibt. Es ist fast, es ist fast pure. Ja. Und um das zu erzeugen, weil ich, weil es ein bisschen davon war, auch in »Complete Unknown«. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
That's the kind of vegan I am. It's not ideological. Some of it is, but most of it is health-oriented. So, Walnuts. Let's just focus for a minute. Now, these Walnuts are supposed to be miracle drugs. So then I figure... Why not just eat the oil? Like some people use walnut oil for furniture. It's very good for a lot of things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
But also that unspoken thing between people that you're talking about in the beginning that transcends plot and is the meat of the thing, the possibilities become so amplified. Yes. Right? And because an audience feels whatever, they may not understand what they feel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
But I started to think, wow, back that walnut oil, if walnuts are so good, why wouldn't walnut oil be good for you? And so I started putting like a tablespoon of walnut oil in stuff. I have to eat the nuts to get my omegas, because I'm, you know, vegan-y. And I make a meal... Like I ground up walnuts, pumpkin seeds, a few Brazil nuts and hazelnuts to put in the oatmeal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Was an deiner Seite anstrengend ist, ist, dass je länger du mit dem Dillon-Film arbeitest, du alle Werkzeuge hast, that you knew you could do, that you could have the language that you just talked about, because it was in place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And you've got guys like Joaquin and like... Timmy, that that'll go deep.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
So I get the full-on Omega-Oil effect. But I've really begun to think, and somebody can, you know, somebody can chime in. You know, some of you sort of armchair supplement professionals. I believe that the walnut oil, which now I'm getting pretty high-end walnut oil, virgin press walnut oil from this place called Corky's. They do this stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Well, that was the biggest trick of that movie for me in terms of Dylan, is that Chalamet was able... Du weißt nie, Dylan, ob es intensiv mysteriös ist oder ob es ein Gimmick ist. Wenn er Dinge sagt, die kryptisch oder scheinbar schnarchig sind, aber es gibt etwas über Dylan, der nicht spricht. wo man sich fragt, oh mein Gott, was ist da los?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Well, the risk of being, of building an empathic relationship with that guy is that, I would imagine, is that then you're out to sea, in a way, that you can feel it, but you're still, you feel like you could put your...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
It's a small operation, I think, but they do walnut oil. This isn't a plug. It's just that I know somebody over there who I knew back in the day who is now involved with it. And they sent me this virgin pressed walnut oil. It's got a date on the bottle. So, you know, they mean business. So now I'm just doing straight up walnut oil. Not roasted walnut oil, virgin press, organic walnut oil.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
No, no, no. I just mean to get into that quiet part of Dylan must have been sort of exciting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
But really it isn't there though that you could identify.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Das ist interessant, weil dann der Vorteil nicht auf dich oder Tim ist, sich zu erklären.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Was this before you had focused on this one particular time or was that always the arc?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And I gotta be honest with you, I think it's affecting my joints. I think it's affecting my brain. I believe that it's helping my heart. Now, what proof do I have? The only proof that I really have is right now, well, my memory's good, but I do believe it's doing something there. But I do know that... I have arthritic big toes and it's been significantly better in the last year.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And you had read that autobiography? Yeah. Yes. Because as odd as that book is, the details of that time are so clear.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Und das ist ein älterer Mann mit Erinnerungen, der nichts hat. Ich würde vorstellen, dass er, und ich weiß nicht, ob er das jemals so gedacht hat, aber er hat nichts zu verlieren, wirklich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
But what's also interesting in what you're saying about what he's carrying as he heads to New York, what he was also carrying was complete control of what he did. He didn't have a band. He wasn't on a bus. He didn't have a drummer that drank. He didn't have a manager or a producer. He had the guitar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Das ist interessant, weil er dann ein kollaborativer Künstler wird, nicht von der Anwendung her, sondern von der Gravität von ihm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
That might just be a vegan diet. It's an inflammation thing. But I've grown to believe that pure walnut oil I take a tablespoon of it a day if I'm drinking it after I work out. And if not, I'm just doing the walnuts in the oatmeal. I think it actually does something. And I can't say that for most supplements. I know a lot of them you're not going to feel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Well, that's interesting, because that's the silence.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Well, why wouldn't you want to be part of a context through which you knew how to rise? You know, like once you lock in, I mean, whether you believe folk music is the big powerful change it is, it's certainly like, well, if I play this, I can play at this place and I'll be on the same stage as these people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
But I believe that the two things that have changed my body chemistry and my body's health are are this pure walnut oil, which I don't do intravenously. I just mix it in with stuff. And a magnesium, potassium, aspartate vitamin I think has changed my entire gut health. So that's what I'm positing. That's what I'm saying. That's what I believe. That magnesium, potassium, aspartate,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And, you know, I have a certain amount of intention and I believe enough, but I think all artists are a little selfish. Maybe, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
But I think it's interesting what you're pointing out is that Dylan, you know, was unbounded in his desire to express himself, you know, however it was going to come.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
But also you have in your own sort of lexicon of... People that inspired you. It's not unlike, you know, Buddy Holly and Woody Guthrie. There's a full spectrum of people who express themselves and have made a mark. So why limit yourself to anyone?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Even me, when I talk to people, it's better if you're not a superfan.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
That beautiful interview he did with Bradley.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fucksters, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast. How's it going? Welcome. You okay? Everybody alright? I guess I should... James Mangold, der Filmdirektor, der Filmmacher. James Mangold, real deal. Old school in a way. Great director. He made Copland. He made 310 to Yuma, Ford versus Ferrari.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Well, I like the way he shot some of that, where he's like, that becomes the primary relationship, even when he's among people and he's just writing. It's like, all right, I'll leave, you know, like whatever happens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Aspartam und Walnutöl haben einen signifikanten Einfluss auf meine Gesundheit. Das ist, was ich da rausnehme. Nun, ich werde von Ihnen hören, aber niemand spricht immer davon, dass Walnutöl ein Ding ist. Warum ist es kein Ding? Ich verstehe nicht, warum es kein Ding ist. Here's another thing I'd like some input on. Where do we stand on old school soy milk? Like old school.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
...about this other world that Bob was a vessel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Das ist ein brillanter Hinweis. Und jetzt erklärt er mir viel darüber, wie er sich auf diese Rolle befasst. Was interessant war, wenn du über deinen Lieblings-Amadeus sprichst, ist, dass Foreman dieses unglaubliche Audio-Montage mit Salieri, die unbeendeten Teile, gemacht hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Yes, in his head. And that explained everything. And that was the way he managed that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Now, like I've heard all this stuff, you know, I've heard too much soy will give me boobs. I don't think it's true. I would look to China. Nothing but soy in China. There's not a bunch of... I don't think there's a lot of fully defined man boobs everywhere. But I've been leaning into the old hippie Eden Soy brand because... Es hat Protein. Und es hat nichts anderes drin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And that can be hard under the pressure of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I think you did do something amazing with this though. Thank you. In terms of like, you know, to make that story and to make that character, you know, live and be appealing to people of all ages. Like the number of young people that are, you know, taken with that story and also taken with the reality of Dylan is pretty phenomenal. It's pretty cool.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I mean, it's like, I don't know if you could have ever anticipated that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And you got that right. Thank God. You know, you got that perfect time in the 60s to where the clothes were cool. You didn't have to be bogged down by psychedelic bullshit. And it was so... Well, it's early 60s. I know, that's what I mean.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Because, like, all of that stuff... It's about to change when our movie ends. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Well, that's because they were still wearing the clothes of the late 50s. They were just making them their own with a different idea.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Because, you know, I can see your passion for New York at that time. And I assume you grew up there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Yeah, and there's something that never leaves New York.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Und gegen das, was, was war, du weißt, der klassische Melting Pot, du weißt, es erscheint dieses Ding, wie der Charakter von New York immer an die Erkrankung von Dingen gewöhnt ist. You know, that that come from a lot of different places.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Es gibt keine Gums oder Füllungen oder was auch immer. Es ist einfach unzweifelte, gekochtes Sojamilch. Und ich denke, das ist auch das Ding. Ich glaube, die Grund, warum ich darüber rede, ist, dass manche Leute fragen, wie man das vegane Ding macht. Nun, ein Mann namens Mitch hat mir einmal gesagt, und das war etwas anderes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I thought that one moment, there's a couple of moments that stand out to me that I thought were so exactly what you said. That it wasn't about plot, but it was about that space between people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And just that moment, which must have been an interesting decision on your part, that when you had that moment where Cronkite is saying that we might be bombed, and everybody's freaking out, and Joan's trying to get out of the city, and she walks by and Bob is just... Playing guitar in a basement. You know, like disconnected from it all. Or is he more connected?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
when I asked him how to maintain his weight, he said, I eat the same thing every day. And if you really think about your habits, you kind of do that. And people are like, how do you get this? How do you get that with vegans? And it's like, you just basically eat the same stuff every day, just not meat. I don't need to talk about this
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Wow. And like with Dylan, there's this moment that I'm kind of hung up on in outside of your film, is that he's always, despite the fact that he's a vessel, he's always hyper-present somehow.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
All day long, but it's just, you know, and it doesn't mean I support RFK as Secretary of Health and Human Services. You know, I'm perfectly comfortable with almost all of Western medicine. But this is dietary stuff, and I know, and I don't, it's not speaking to me. I don't eat a lot of garbage, and if I do eat garbage, I know when I do, and I'm doing it on purpose. How about a donut?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Yeah, that beat that I was going to tell you about, did you watch that doc, the weird Rolling Thunder thing? Oh yeah. It's great. But like it's all building to him getting back on stage. And then after he gets off stage, the moment he gets off stage, I don't remember who, the guy who's holding the camera goes, how do you feel? And Dylan goes, about what? Right, right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
What you're asking me is so boring. So he'll take it out and do another zone all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Es ist die Todesgeschichte von allem. Es war so lustig, weil ich versucht habe, Dylan auf diesem Show zu treffen. Oh, das wäre großartig. Ich weiß, aber es war so lustig, weil ich Rosen vor 1 Mio. Jahren getroffen habe. Und ich wollte Dylan zu unserem ... Es war ein Ereignis-Episode. Und ich wurde von dem Publizisten erzählt, du solltest vielleicht ein Handbuch schreiben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
How about a cheeseburger? There's a place here in L.A. that does, it's like a knock-off McDonald's, all vegan. I think it's called McDaniels or something. I don't know, whatever. Also Indian Food. People ask me about that. How do you eat vegan on the road? Indian. Sometimes Thai. Sometimes there's a vegan place. There's a fucking Indian place right down the street from me. I love Indian food.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Und er wird vielleicht darauf antworten. Aber ich weiß, dass ich mit Rosen gesprochen habe. Ich wusste, dass ich Rosen getroffen habe. So I write this handwritten letter and I send it off and then all of a sudden I get a message like, just call Jeff. And I'm like, okay. So I get on the phone with Jeff and I'm like, look, you know... Who's great, by the way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I mean, in terms of just being really frank with you about... Well, I say, look, you know, this is our 2000th episode or whatever it was, 1000th, I don't know, like... Ich denke, es wäre toll, Bob anzunehmen, es wäre toll für den Show, es wäre toll für mich. Ich denke, ich bin gut dafür, mit ihm zu sprechen. Und ich mache diesen großen Pitch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Und ich frage mich, was die Chancen sind, dass er ansteht. Nach dem Nichts. Nein, Jeff hat es wirklich gesagt, null. Und er sagt, und ich bin so, was? Er ist so, er ist nicht großartig bei Interviews und er hat keinen Axt, um zu grinden. Und es gibt einfach keinen Grund, um das zu tun. Und ich sagte, was ist mit dir? Warum machst du das nicht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Und er so, nein, wie denkst du, dass ich diesen Job behalte?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Aber du sprichst von Kunst. Und auch in Bobs Buch, du weißt, er verwendet eine gute 30 Seiten, wenn er über eine Kordprogression spricht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Ja, und er hat deine Energie. Warum willst du darauf konzentrieren? Nein, er mag Kunst. Ich sage dir, es gibt einen Teil in den Filmen von Ford und Ferrari. Oh, ja. Einer der tollen Momente. Es war wirklich ein totaler menschlicher Moment. Henry Ford war der zweite oder dritte? Ja. Und er fährt in der Corvette und weint. Ja, es ist das Beste.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And I hardly ever went to this place down the street. And it's amazing. They've shifted half their menu to be vegan. It's fucking amazing. All India Cafe. Right down on brand. Anyways, look. James Mangold is here. And I love talking to directors. They're hard to get for some reason, but I've talked to a few recently, a couple anyways.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Ja, es ist großartig. Ja. Und okay, also eine letzte Sache. Also ist es wahr, dass du Swamp Thing machen wirst? It's true, I'm working on a story for Swamp Thing. Because I'm not a big comic book guy, but I love Swamp Thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Es ist sehr spannend. Ich habe mit Robert Patrick gesprochen. Er ist etwas, Mann. Er ist es. Er ist eine Stärke, mit der man gespielt wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
There you go. Complete Unknown is still playing in theaters and that was a lovely chat. And he offered to be of service to me if I get the opportunity to direct a film, which I'm hoping to do by the end of this year. And that's a nice guy. That's a nice guy. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
And Mangold, the great thing about directors is when you make a movie and you make big movies and you know what you're doing, is that these guys, they can speak to all elements of film and art and literature many times. And in terms of what they're dealing with subject-wise, history, I mean, the conversations are rich and full, right? Ich liebe es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Folks, if you want more director talk, we posted a WTF collection on the full Marin featuring some great directors when they were guests in the garage. William Friedkin, Greta Gerwig, Quentin Tarantino, Guillermo del Toro and Paul Thomas Anderson.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Jetzt, wie viel Porno hast du mitgebracht, außer es zu konsumieren? Ich meine, hast du Häuser im Valle kennengelernt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Ich habe mit Brady Corbett gesprochen, der die Brutalistin gedreht hat, und das war ein hoher Niveau, ein hoher intellektueller Gabbling. Das gleiche mit James, über Filme. Und es ist einfach so ein Geschenk, sie hier zu haben. Großartiger Kerl, auch. Sein Film, A Complete Unknown, spielt in Theatern. James wird für den besten Direktoren-Oscar nominiert. Which he deserves.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
It's quite a bit of business he pulled off there. It looks great. But there's so much thinking involved. To really make a movie right and to honor your vision, if you have a vision. That's the difference between an indie movie that was a good script and people just did whatever they could to get it on camera and somebody with a vision. I've been noticing that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
I've been watching films by just new directors or indie directors that clearly don't necessarily have a vision, but they achieved something. die Fertigung eines Films und Indie-Direktoren, die eine Vision haben. Und du denkst dir, oh mein Gott, diese Person hat eine Vision. Und sie haben einen Raum auf dem Bildschirm geschaffen, der ein bisschen merkwürdig ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Und James hat definitiv eine Vision, kreiert einen merkwürdigen Raum. Aber die Niveaus von Ausdruck und Angst, die Direktoren mitnehmen müssen, sind unglaublich. Pretty profound. But this is me talking to James Mangold.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Like stand-up or this. Yeah. Yeah, but there is the finite amount of time and you've got the team and you've got the... Yeah, and kind of this stuff is more...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
He's nominated for Best Director at the Academy Awards for his film A Complete Unknown, the Bob Dylan movie, which you should probably see at least once. I've seen it once. I will see it again, I'm sure. But I'll be talking to him in a minute. I'll be in Iowa City tonight at the Ingler Theater. Come down. I don't know if it's going to be snowing or what. I'm a little nervous.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Ja, das ist interessant. Ich denke, ich sollte anfangen, darüber nachzudenken. Also was machst du mit der Tag-zu-Tag-Anxietät?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Yeah, well, there is that, but then you have those days where you're like, but is it worth it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
It gets a little overwhelming though. And it doesn't seem like, you know, I thought for a minute there, like I was getting older and it was getting better, but I'm not sure. No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1617 - James Mangold
Coarseness, yeah, that was a very diplomatic sentence somehow. You mean the hell we're living through is existentially upsetting and terrifying every day?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I know. Yeah, impossible. Yeah, we're going to have to stretch it out a little bit. We'll bring him back to finish the joke. But I was trying to think, because the last time I think I ran into you was in New York. At that place that used to be, did it used to be Max Fish? It's a coffee shop. Right, yeah. On Ludlow Street, right across the street from what was Luna Lounge.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, I think one of them, isn't one of them, oh no, Pianos, I think, might still be there. Do you remember that place?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Block down, yeah. Or something like that? Yeah. I feel like I missed most of the, I think I was in New York for the original alternative explosion, which was sort of focused on one place. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Pre-insane Roseanne. Yes. Or latent insane Roseanne. Did she ever come there? Do you feel like she did? I wish she did one set there, yeah. Really? Yeah. I feel like everyone kind of did one set there because they felt like it was something to do. It's kind of like this podcast. It feels like everyone's got to do it once.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
But now that everyone has a podcast and everyone is yammering, there's no end all of a sudden. It's the biggest... Ja. And do you feel like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
It used to be, but not anymore. Now I just feel like I've done something horribly irresponsible. I championed something early on. I opened a portal. Me and a couple other people. But we keep it real. We keep it audio. Yeah. Yeah, so people don't feel pressed to dress up or show up with people. And I think there is a different way one takes in audio than watching. Right. I think it's more intimate.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
They can imagine what we look like. All right, so let's go back. I've decided that it's become my job. Auf irgendeinem Niveau. Ich habe es mit der Comedy-Store gemacht, aber jetzt, als die Geschichte und die Erinnerung und alles so einfach verwendet und in den Menschen geblieben ist. Und ich denke, es ist wichtig, über Luna Lounge zu sprechen und was wir da gemacht haben, Andy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
He's going to be working on this new late night show. They call it Late Night, starring Jason Kelsey. That's going to be on Friday nights in January on ESPN. He's also writing for Ted on Peacock. And he's connected into the fabric of the great comedy blanket that I'm knitting. I'm at Largo in LA tomorrow night, Friday, December 13th, for a comedy and music show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Would that have been in the 80s? 70s. Oh, so it was like... It was rough. Yeah. Why was your family there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So what the hell were they doing on Roosevelt Island? Were people living there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Because I don't feel like the housing was there. I feel like maybe there was just a hospital there. Because I don't know, I feel like the tram to Roosevelt Island... It was put in when they built condos out there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Around the hospital? Yeah. One bar in a hospital.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So your mom's like Argentinian? Yep, yep. You speak the language?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Ja, sie sind beide jüdisch. Deine Mutter ist argentinische Jüdin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
But wait, like in recently or like are you talking about after the Inquisition type of thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
That's crazy. So your mom came from Eastern Europe? Well, she was born in Argentina.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Oh, in Pale of Settlement or like Belarus or Ukraine?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
And your grandmother just was totally encultured Argentinian, but they were not Latino. Is it called Latin America still? Latin America, yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
For those of you, I don't even know if there's tickets for that, but I can give you the song list. I can tell you what me and my late boomer slash Gen X cusp band are doing. I don't even know how old most of them are. I don't know how old anybody is. But the song list for tomorrow, I think we're going to do Stepping Out, the Blues Breakers version, so me and Jason can...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Das ist verrückt. Nun, ich denke, ist es nicht so, dass es keine gute politische Situation da ist jetzt? Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, I kind of remember him. Wasn't he a show business personality as well? Like he does a lot of big, like he's almost a wrestler or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
What was he doing? Was he like living down there? Yeah. Oh, wow. He was living there for, but it was like, it was nothing too romantic. I think he was in like some sort of frozen food business. Oh yeah. I'm not sure. You gotta go to Buenos Aires. That's where he lived. Oh yeah. I think he was working for that one company. I don't know, bringing in pizzas or something. Okay. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So when do you get... Okay, so you grow up on the Lower East Side. But still, Avenue A and 4th, hell of a choice. Was, a big place?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
play guitar cool and then we're gonna do what goes on by the velvet underground which is a favorite of mine and i just played it in new york so it's still in my head we're gonna do going going gone uh the bob dylan song which i find is very um relevant to my place in life now i think we're gonna do carmelita the warren zevon song because we enjoyed playing that before then we might step out on a limb
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, sure, sure. Every time I perform in a place like that, it's like I don't draw huge, maybe 400 or 500 people, but they're very grateful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, it's like the margin of difference was less than 2%. So there's a good 76, 77 million of people that are like-minded versus the 78 million that aren't. And then the other 100 million that didn't vote. But yeah, I do find a certain amount of solace in that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Was wirst du tun? Wann bist du in Jersey geflogen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I always go to my grandma's. I was born in Jersey. Oh, you were? Yeah, we lived in Wayne for a couple of years when I was very young. Right. And my grandparents lived in Pompton Lakes through most of my life before they went to Florida.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So, yeah, I know Pompton. Yeah. I know the Willowbrook Mall. Sure. It's nothing but malls there. Yeah, Paramus Park. I was around when that opened, buddy. Oh, wow. It's a big deal. My grandma was excited, because I think it had one of the first food courts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
And I guess it was promoted as, I remember when it opened, my grandma was like, we're going to this new mall, and they have food from around the world. Wow. Yeah, yeah. That's gone. I remember driving by it. There's an Abisko factory, too. Oh, yes. That was in Fairlawn? Somewhere. Was it off 23 or something? I don't remember what the highways are.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I think there was... But every time we drove by, my grandma would go, I could smell the cookies. And we'd sit there like... And you just kind of smell the... I remember when Secaucus smelled terrible. Before the stadiums were built. My grandmother always used to say it was all pig farms. Oh. I didn't know that. My grandfather's family is from Elizabeth. Okay. Yeah. Dad's from Jersey City.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Oh my God. Full Jersey. You're full Jersey. Yeah. Paisano. Fucking full Jersey. So what are you wandering around New Jersey when you decide to do comedy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Okay. Nice. Yeah. Is he enjoying it? I don't know. Yeah. I think he likes teaching. I think that... Wenn du diesen Weg als Schauspieler wählst, weil du ehrlich zu dir sein willst und du in der Akademie endest, ist es sehr schwer, nicht in der Politik der Akademie zu werden. Das nimmt also viel von deinem mentalen Raum. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
und versuche, Lust for Life von Iggy Pop zu machen, was leicht klingt, aber es ist sehr schwer für mich, diesen Beat zu halten, während ich singe. Wir werden sehen. Es ist entweder das oder Call Me The Breeze, die Lynyrd Skynyrd-Version der J.J. Cale-Song. Dann glaube ich, wir werden New Speedway Boogie machen. Das ist eine Grateful Dead-Song. Wie viele sind das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I mean, I'm not now, but I was then. Some days I think, are all these things that I'm thinking because of depression, like am I so acclimated to depression that I wouldn't know if I have it? Oh, okay. That seems crazy, though, because when you're depressed, you kind of know, right? You lose your will to do. I think you feel defeated a lot, but I do think that it's... Oh, I'm depressed.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Ich hatte Freunde, ja. Oh, das ist gut. Du warst also nicht so depressiv. Du warst nur der depressivste Teil eines Gruppes. Ja, jeder hat seine Rolle. Du brauchst jemanden, um... Und du hattest die Medizin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I'm telling you, man, I'm always in half a panic attack. Yeah. Like always.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
But I've got so acclimated to it that I do contrary action and do as, act as if thinking. Oh, great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
It's just like, I think it's, and eventually you just do it. Because I don't want to do anything. And then you realize, like, just do it. Right. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
It would have given me some... But just like, that's every other day for me. And when I hear people talk about it as an event, I'm like... Am I living life wrong? Because my hands are always tingling. Sometimes I can breathe, sometimes I can't. Palpitations, fuck. I don't even pay attention to those anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I don't even identify as that. I'm like, I don't know what that is. It's just life. Yeah. The waves of life. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I used to have these things in my chest, like these fucking things. And then my buddy started asking me about, he started getting those, like where your heart just goes. And he's like, I went to two doctors. I'm like, dude, it just happens. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Das scheint die meisten, nicht wahr? Das scheint eine gute Auswahl von Tönen zu sein. Well, I feel like there's one other one. God damn it. But yeah, so we're gonna, that's what we're doing. Friday night, I'm gonna do comedy. Fahim Anwar is gonna do comedy. I'm not sure who the other comic will be. We'll find out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Are you thinking about taking something for the anxiety?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, sometimes you don't even know they happen. Yeah. Alright, so in the midst of all this panic, did you start doing comedy in college?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I love that. Oh, he just died the other day, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
He was part of the team, right? There was a couple of them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So you had the big clunky VHS cameras or Betamax cameras? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So we... The school had a show on public access? We had like an hour or something like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
In the new year, I'm in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. I'll be in Napa, California at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado at the Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th. Then Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 18th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Oder hattest du ein Haar mit einem großen Frosch? Nein, ich hatte einen Wig und einen falschen Haar. Ich denke, dass Bob Ross für dich nicht ein Strecke wäre. Ja. Ich glaube, du machst jetzt ein bisschen Bob Ross. Ja, ich glaube so. Und dann gehen die Bäume los. Ja. Ja. Ja, ich glaube, es war das. Und was war der Arch of the Bit? Ja. Hatte er das Bild kaputt gemacht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Also wie hast du den Stand-Up begonnen? Hast du mit ihm Stand-Up gemacht? With Bob Ross?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Dude, I don't, I'm losing dates. Right. But it was at Rebar for a while. And the only thing I remember about Rebar was that there were no chairs. Yeah. And everyone sat on the floor, I believe. And the stool that they had on stage was this metallic, kind of like someone's big idea of a modern thing. Like there was some sort of angle to rebar. And the stools were just ridiculous.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
You could barely move them. And I'm a sitter. So I just remember it was a real hassle. And I remember being kind of angry because you go in and there was the front bar and then there was like that curtain. And then there was the back room where the thing was. And I think it started becoming a scene at Rebar a bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
And I remember I had some sort of ridiculous onstage... Robert Klein kind of cornered me into an improv. Okay. Yeah, and I badmouthed him the next week. Und es wurde ein bisschen Presse, weil der Fakt, dass Robert Klein da war, du weißt, Leute, wie ein Reporter ging. Ja. Und dann, und dann ging ich in den Rory Rosegarden, seinen Manager, wie Penn Station oder so etwas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Er ist so, Robert hatte einen guten Zeit. Ich verstehe nicht, warum du denkst, dass du ihn nicht magst. Du magst ihn nicht. Ich bin so. I don't know, I was just trying to do the thing and then an old man got up and started doing an improv with me. It's not really my bag.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. Then San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. And Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, 31st. Am 1. Februar. Geht zu www.wtfpod.com für alle meine Dates und Links zu Tickets. Ja. Ja, das passiert alles. Ich muss diese Stunde wieder zusammenbringen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So you said, who cares? And you're like, yeah, you're right. Yeah. And that worked for, what, a minute?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Aber du warst noch in der High School, als du das gemacht hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Maybe you should hit him up and say like, why don't we just kick around some ideas for some music stuff? Sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah. Probably at the beginning of the year. He's not going to have anything to do. Maybe it's time to get him going again. Yeah. No, he's a great guy. Okay. But, yeah. But it was the first sort of turn of disillusionment. Like that people don't honor their talent. Because for whatever reason, it didn't seem like the thing to do, no matter how good you might have thought they were.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I started doing that after college, yeah. And then... Where were you living?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Ich weiß nicht, ob ihr das wisst, aber wir haben eine HBO-Spezial-Taping auf den Büchern für Mai. In New York City, if all goes as planned, I'll let you know when tickets are available for that. There's also a lot of dates in other places. Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma, North Carolina, South Carolina. Yeah, we'll get it in shape, maybe, if my brain continues to work all right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, it was cool. So weird when I think it was Mondays, because I'd get coked up a lot. And that was like after the weekend. So I would, just because of Monday nights, I would fuck up most of my week.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
After, whatever. That was just like when the party began was Monday. Right. Not a great night for parties to begin. Yeah. Most people are just beginning their week. Right, right. But do you remember at the beginning, do you remember what was going on there? Do you remember what the shows were?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
It wasn't all the time. Well, Sarah Silverman would do a bunch. Do you remember the weird ones like Portnoy? Yeah, Portnoy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
He just like take his shirt off and put fuck you on it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Good luck getting Bob for that. I was annoyed with Portnoy because... Whatever the poetry of Soybaum was, it didn't add up. If you're gonna disrupt, and, you know, I think he went full Dada, as opposed to, like, have something at least... I guess it was memorable, but what did it mean? Because then he got stuck in that situation where people were like, what does that mean?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Ich habe gestern einen Truck gefahren, ich habe einen Pickup gekauft, hatte die Kette, hatte ihre Sachen in einen anderen Ort geführt und ich fahre den Truck. Und, weißt du, ich glaube wirklich, dass es eine Part von mir ist, die das ist. Is that possible? Is there a part of me that's a guy who drives a truck? Sure, why not? I can do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Well, I mean, there were definitely people around at Luna at that time where it was like, I have no idea what became of them or what his mental state was. The thing I remember him doing that I thought was great was he took his bottle, his little pill thing of Prozac out and dumped it and then stuck his dick in it. And I thought that was relatively inspired. Yeah. And now Andy Blitz. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I have to follow that. Todd Berry, of course, a regular.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
The guys from the States started coming around, which annoyed me. And then the UCB guys. I got very, like, because I was a stand-up and I was sort of a, what do you call it, dyed in the wool? I was like a stand-up comic. That when sketch people came, I'm like, what the fuck is this? What's happening here? Right. What are they doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Or when one of them would try to do stand-up, I'm like, what the fuck is this? They're a gang, they're a group. Can't just have Michael Ian Black up here, solo. What's Matt Besser doing alone on stage talking? Right. Yeah, I had these stupid principles. But it helped. It helped bring an audience to the show, I think. It got real popular for a minute. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Like it got some press and it was like there were lines out the door and I would show up cranky because it would make me nervous because I was trying to honor the idea of it. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Like people would... That was the idea of it, but no, but then it just became a professional show. Yeah. And then there were regulars and it was kind of a thing for a minute. Yeah. But what happened with you? Did you ever do regular clubs?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Du hast deine Late-Night-Shot von Conan von Luna gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I'm not afraid of trucks, not afraid of tools, not afraid of lifting stuff. I'm telling you, man, all this is leading to me in my retirement seeking a job in the sort of construction sector. Is that possible? I'm sure there's a lot of opportunities for guys in their early 60s to drive trucks and move things. I don't know. Keeps me focused. Which gets us back to the ADHD business.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Who hired you? Robert? Groff. John Groff, the writer. Yeah, John Groff. I gave him his first writing job. You did? Yeah. Oh, wow. On Short Attention Span Theater on Comedy Central. Right. He's great. Yeah, so he took the gig after Smigo left. Ja. Oder Mike Sweeney. Mike Sweeney ist nach Groff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
John Glazer's really funny. I'm working with him now, actually. So I had him for me. I think he's never going to forgive me for misspelling his name in our book. Oh. I think he's a J-O-N, right? He's J-O-N. Did you put an H in there? Yeah, it was either an H in the N or Glazer was with a Z. He spells it with an S. Yeah. Yeah, might have been a Z. One of the names was wrong. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
And I remember he said, who's John Glazer? When he saw it in the book. And my producer, who's very meticulous about that, we just, it got by us. And I... Und ich fühlte mich, wie wenn ich alle Bücher mit der Hand korrigieren würde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So once you start writing at Conan, that puts you in the writer's loop and stand-up becomes kind of secondary? Yeah, I think that's... And you got your Conan shots from writing there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Er kommt her und sieht mich. Und dann hat er nach dir gesprochen? Ja. Ja, ich glaube nicht, dass das funktioniert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Look, getting a lot of input. I'm getting a lot of input from people. I'm in the zone, man. I'm in the zone. You know what zone I'm always in? I gotta quit doing this shit. I gotta quit doing this shit. Whatever shit it is. Jetzt muss ich aus den fucking Zinsen gehen. Ich habe einfach alles auf der Wand geschlagen. Essen, Nikotin, Kaffee, Kaffee, Drogen, das ist hinter mir.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, then it killed, it went fine. The Conan. Yeah. Yeah. But Frank just said, we'll get you on the cellar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Gambling, niemals meine Tasche. Es kommt einfach zu einem Punkt, wo ich mich frage, was mache ich? Was sehe ich auf der Basis? Warum mache ich das immer? Warum drehe ich mich um? Und ich komme zu dem Punkt, wo ich verärgert werde von etwas. Und dann bin ich so, ich muss all diese Scheiße stoppen. Und ich habe es vorher gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, there's a championing of garbage. I think that what's happened is that people become so enamored with garbage, the mundane and the amateur nature of people being sort of earnest as opposed to talented. You know, I think that a lot of the great stuff gets forgotten. Yeah. Or people don't have patience for it anymore. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
But I think it's always been sort of a mixed bag in the sense that, you know, if you do a certain type of comedy... Oder sogar im Schreiben. Ich meine, es gab immer nur wenige Zuschauer. Ich meine, ich glaube, es hängt davon ab, wofür du schlägst und wie du sie bekommst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
But now with this whole idea, with the ADHD idea, I guess I just got to go get broke down. I got to go get it broken down for me. I got to go get, what is it, evaluated. Because I've gotten a lot of emails about the ADHD business and a psychotherapist, a psychologist, she said, basically she said, Quote, Quote, Quote. It's not like I recommend nicotine, but I get that it scratches the itch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
We're in the process of... So they sold the house and it was full of stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Would you call what he was experiencing mental illness or nostalgic?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, but like the weird thing about valuable things is Es ist so, als ob ich einfach durch meine Schlaufe gegangen bin. Und ich hatte meine gesamte Kleidung von meiner Show Maren. Es war sehr spezifisch. Kleidungen wie diese, westliche Kleidungen, Dinge, die man in Vintage-Stores sehen würde. Also bin ich so wie, vielleicht kann ich einen Ort finden und eine Verhandlung machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Und ich bin so, nein, ich will das nicht. Ich brauche nicht das Geld. Ich brauche nicht mehr Kleidung, wirklich. So then there becomes the issue, if I just throw it into the goodwill, then it's a real find for somebody. But then I'm thinking, who do I think is going to find this and be like, holy shit, a western shirt. I don't even know if those people are around anymore. Most of them are my age.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Right. They've got their own boxes of clothes that they're bringing. What extension of the ego does it represent? Like when you do a show about this... Ich meine, es gibt eine sehr interessante Sache mit Nostalgie und dem, was die Dinge bedeuten und warum sie etwas für jemanden bedeuten. Es scheint ein tiefes Show zu sein. Und am Ende bringst du einfach nur noch Pfeffer zurück.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Oh, also, um ihn zu placaten, putzt du es in eine Storage-Unit?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, so just sitting there. Yep. And he knows it's there and that makes him feel better.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Oh, das ist interessant. Also, du musst das schießen. Ja. Ein Typ, der sagt, hey, deine Söhne haben mir über diese unglaubliche Kollektion von Sachen erzählt. Ja, ich würde nur sagen, wir... Und wir sind in New Jersey gegangen. Ich bin durchgegangen. Und ich will die meiste davon kaufen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Boxes of unlabeled VHS tapes. Man, you could put that right up on eBay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Ich glaube, du bist im Wettbewerb mit allem, was nicht die Auszeichnung ist. Schnalzen. Vielleicht sollte das der Wettbewerb sein. Ich weiß nicht, wo du so etwas hinstellen würdest. Du hast keinen Haken dafür.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Ich meine, das ist, wie es war, als ich von Conan kam und meine Show veröffentlicht habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
She's like, I already committed to this one on Peacock. It seems everyone's very hung up on where she spent all that money. Yeah. Maybe that's the show. It's starring Kamala Harris. It's called Where's the Money? Uh-huh. And she just does a breakdown of all the money. Where things got spent? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that would help us. I don't know what would have helped. No, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Ich denke, vielleicht 200. Das ist nicht viel. Es ist wahrscheinlich nicht in guter Form.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast again. How are you? Thank you for all the feedback recently. It seems that everybody enjoyed the Dwight Yoakam. I knew that was a good talk and I knew that was a good record. Sometimes, you know, it all just comes together.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah. That's all going to be garbage. Yeah. That's the name of the show. Everything ends up garbage. It does. All right, buddy. Take care. All right. Take care. Thanks, Mark. There you go, Andy Blitz. If you want to find him, he's on Instagram at MrAndyBlitz. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Is that what it is? Is that what it's always been? I mean, I feel like I've thought along these lines before. Do you know how much coffee I drink a day? So many of you have been up and down this goddamn tree with me so many times. It's stupid. Why? Why don't I just go get medicine? Why? Because I'll tell you why. There's a couple of reasons.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Hey Leute, wir kommen am Ende des Jahres an und Fullmarin-Subscriber können meine Review-Kommentare auf dem letzten Bonus-Episode hören, wo ich mit Brendan über das letzte Jahr von WTF spreche.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Er hat eine Idee von mir, die für ihn real ist und ich bin mir sicher, dass es real ist. Aber jedes Mal, wenn ich ihn sehe, ist er so, was ist mit dir? Alles ist gut. Alles ist gut. Und ich bin so, was schreit er an mir?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Yeah, yeah, kind of. Or to give myself credit. I see. Every time I see him, he's like, dude, I would not have the job I have without you. He's one of the only guys I know that consistently thanks me for what I brought to the medium. Oh, that's fun. That's nice. Because he's like, you know, you did it. You did it. None of us would have jobs without you. Oh, that is very nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
To get bonus episodes twice a week, sign up for the full Marin. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF Plus. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. I don't know if any of you noticed, but I used a quick track for last guitar time and this time too. But I only screwed it up once. But only I know that. But it doesn't matter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
There's the age old idea that like, well, I don't want to lose my edge. I don't want to lose my personality. I don't want to, you know, feel, you know, different. In a way that I'm uncomfortable with. I'd rather stay with the thing that makes me uncomfortable all the time. But I know it. I live it. It is mine. It has always been mine. I don't need a new discomfort.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Even if it means I get rid of the old discomfort. That's one angle. The other angle is, if I have ADHD, what's the medication? Like Adderall? Look, I'll be honest with you. I've been sober a long fucking time. And I think no matter how old I am or how strong my sobriety is, if I got an Adderall prescription, that would be tough. That would be tough because I like the go fast. I like it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
And I guess that's part of the condition. Why wouldn't I like to go fast? Back when I did blow, I used to do blow and I'd be like, this makes me feel normal. I mean, a little intensely normal, a little like sweaty normal. But in terms of how I thought my brain should feel, like cocaine, yeah, I would get high. But there was a point where I'm like, oh, everything just quiets down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I definitely noticed that back in the day. I definitely knew why that was my thing. And then just the balance of it. The balance of booze and blow. So I don't know. I don't know anything about the medications available. And I imagine an anti-anxiety might also be part of the package. But the idea of Adderall, look, I'll be honest with you. I'll call myself out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
When I have a cold, I'm pretty excited to take those, you know, those pseudopheds that you got to get from the pharmacist with the phenosudopheterin in there. I don't overdo it and I'm not even sure I can feel it, but I'm pretty excited because I think it gives me a little zing, gives me a little zip, makes me think, you know what, fuck it, man. Enough of this shit. Enough of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I'm 61 years old. I don't know what's going to, what can I fix still? But I don't know. Maybe I'm going to go get evaluated and keep you in the loop on that. All right? Because I know you're just wondering. And I appreciate the support and the outreach. And I appreciate that there may be treatment for this. But I also appreciate that there's a whole spectrum involved.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
of psychological profiles that weren't around when I was younger. And there's also that part of me that's sort of like, you know, just deal with it, man. I used to do jokes about that. This is a reasonable response to what's going on in the world. Yeah, that might be true, but I don't have to personalize it all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Have a good time, talk about the stuff. Today on the show I talked to Andy Blitz. Blitz is a guy I have known for a long time. He was a regular at the Luna Lounge back in the day. I kind of used to see him around. He has a very specific tone, a very specific speed, a very specific personality. But he was definitely present during that time in the mid 90s in New York City.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I mean, what is going on in the world is, yes, it is happening to me, but I'm not alone in that. So what about that part of it? The personalization, the grandiosity of that, the self-centeredness of that. Could I use some relief from that? For me, the only relief that I find in my head is the relief of someday stopping everything that I'm doing and just disappearing and living a quiet life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Maybe driving a truck. I don't really want a truck. Actually, maybe a Subaru Outback. Wilderness. Is that weird? So Andy Blitz, as I said, he's a writer. He's a comic. I've known him many years from back in the Luna Lounge days. He... He's got some stuff coming up, but it's not exactly clear what it is. There is this, they call it Late Night, starring Jason Kelsey. Is it Kelsey or Kels?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
I should know. That's going to be on ESPN on Friday nights in January. And he might be doing some stand-up around town. But I've known him a long time. And now his time has come to talk. This is me and Andy Blitz.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
So this beard project, how long have you been working on that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Oh, yeah? Yeah. Well, first... You wanted to be one of the few men who aren't bears that looks like that, that voted for Kamala?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
A Trumpy or a, you know, psycho-libertarian making cooking outdoors videos? Yeah. Here I am in the Antarctic, and I've got a fire going... I would love to infiltrate that community, but just be like... Why couldn't you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
What would you do? What's the plan of infiltration? How does it work? Are you an assassin or you just want to get to know them a little bit?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
But personally, you just want to go out and go like, hey guys, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I just want to be like... Look at my phone, I have some facts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Cold, right? Weather seems weird. Yeah, I think that's a good plan. Yeah. Now, I feel like we're okay, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
And, you know, sometimes I like to reflect and reconnect. And I... I had seen Andy around occasionally, but he's kind of a mysterious character. But I thought, well, hell, let's get him in here after all these years and have a conversation. So he was working at Conan for years as a writer and he was in a lot of sketches. He's written for television a lot since then. You know, he told me he's...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Okay. Do you have any problem? No. I do feel like I might have been... A dick at some point to you, maybe in the Luna days, but I don't think it was ongoing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1599 - Andy Blitz
Take your time. There's no reason to rush to a conclusion. Or a punchline. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
He's Canadian. This is me talking to Gavin Matz.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
I think it's only, we're days away from a sort of undeniable constitutional crisis. And if that happens, then at least we'll all know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
It is kind of weird, right? Because you start to... I wonder about that. I mean, like, I'm on the other side of it. Like, I could leave. I could be done, theoretically. Sure, I'm kind of just only starting. I know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah, I know that feeling. The mourning of possibilities.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Es gab ein ganzes Lebensstil dazu. Ja, genau. Ja, du hättest warten müssen, bis der Mann aufhört zu sprechen. Ja. Geh' den Weed holen. Dann musst du mit ihm trinken. Ja. Hör' den neuen Rekord oder was auch immer. Total. Der neue CD. Total. Vielleicht hör' du ihn singen ein bisschen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Well, how old are you? I'm 30. Wow. You know, I didn't know who you were. You know, you got to thank Makowski for this. Yeah, 100%.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah, and a lot of people bailed. I'm like, I better load it up. Yeah. No, but I mean, I do like this. When I started the podcast, it was like mostly comics. And like there is a whole generation of comics. I don't fucking know. I didn't know who you were. And then I watched your special and she talked you up. And I thought, well, this guy seems intelligent. Yeah. So let's talk about this morning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah. Because I don't know. I don't know how to contextualize it either. Like what happens to show business in light of this? And there's part of me that thinks, well, Netflix will do whatever it needs to do to accommodate whoever it needs to accommodate to make their stockholders happy. So that'll be just another oligarchy of some kind. I mean, these are all businesses now, too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
It's just like the thing of being like punk is dead. Well, yeah, punk is dead. But now the Republicans have somehow co-opted punk. Now it's just cool to say the N-Word a lot. Of course. And wear a hat. Oh, damn, I'm in a hat right now. Not that kind of hat. It's hard to tell with the hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah, it's hard, you know, when you see the hat and beard guys, you don't always know what team they're on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But a lot of times I see dudes, you know, wearing the flannels with the beards. I'm like, he's, you know, fuck that guy. Oh, no. And then they're just sort of like, hi. And I'm like, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had no anticipation of that coming out. Yeah, you can be beta in a flannel. That's fine. Well, it's like I did a bit about being an alpha pussy. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Well, what do you think about it? What is your thoughts in terms of why do you feel like you're not going to be able to go forward? Or is it that... du wirst gegen etwas gegenstehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Wir filmen das nicht. Nein, das ist Analog, Baby. Wir sind altgeschult. Wir sind auf dem Weg raus. Ja. I'd do it the original way. Before people could afford small TV cameras in their garages. I know, you gotta have an 8K camera set up. Well, that's the whole thing. It seems to me that...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
He's got a special out called Progression, available on YouTube. And he was brought to my attention by the woman who opens for me on the road, Allie Makowski. So I figured, okay, well, if these youngsters... Vielen Dank. What's going on with you? How are you holding up? How are you adapting to authoritarianism? It's all happening so quickly, isn't it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
das Mainstream- oder alte-School-Show-Business ist einfach vorbei und sie haben keine Art und Weise, Audienz zu bekommen, außer mit Leuten mit vielen Followern. Und dann sind die Leute so, wir brauchen dich überhaupt nicht. Wir haben unser eigenes Show-Business gebaut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Like born and raised? Born and raised. Yeah. Because I spent three months up there and, you know, I'll have this conversation over and over again because I'm waiting for my PR to come through now. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, now it's kind of urgent. I'm bothering.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
There are these sitcoms where I'm like, who the fuck is watching it? And it's the people that still watch television like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Er war immer am Stand. Nun, dass sie die dominante Stimme in der Kultur sind, kann er wohl das sein. Er sollte kein Problem haben, oder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Es klingt so, als hättest du ein paar Standards. Wo hast du die her? Als du 30 warst, wie lange hast du das gemacht? 11 Jahre. Ja, also bist du ein Punk.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ja, aber es fühlt sich immer so an. Jetzt ist es die Welt. Als ich angefangen habe, war es Komödie im Allgemeinen. An dieser Zeit war es nach dem Boom in den 80ern. Ja, der 80er-Komödie-Boom. Und jeder Klub, den man gehen würde, wäre der Typ, der sagt, ich weiß nicht, was los ist. Letzte Woche war gepackt. Und du weißt nicht, welche Woche sie sprechen. Es war einfach, es hat gestorben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
You know, and it was dead for a long time. And there was not a big club thing and the sort of road headliner thing had kind of stopped. So comedy was dead, but that is the opposite. Ich denke nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
You know what I mean? Yeah. Sie machen vier oder fünf Shows in einer Woche. Und jetzt, wenn sie den Juiz haben, können sie nur eine Nacht im Theater machen oder zwei Shows im Theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
I don't mean to trivialize anything, but sometimes you got to take a glib tone just to find yourself a bit of relief in a moment. Am I right? But it is kind of fascinating in terms of the way Global Politics and American Culture is going. It's an amazing thing, the achievements one can accomplish with a complete lack of empathy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Or yeah, or do like, you know, an hour in a reasonable-sized venue, where there's a sort of intimacy to it. Of course, where I'm like feeling like I know the person.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
I guess, but your whole pace changes. Everything has to have this... Everything has to be pretty big. And I just don't know what the experience is. And I like some of those guys. I don't mind Sebastian. No, I'm not shitting on him. No, I know. I think he's funny. He puts a lot into... Wenn du Kevin siehst, ist es wie ein Rock-Show?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Are they like hooting and hollering? Are they, are they listening?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Genau. So wait, so like what are they, they're wearing the costumes or what are they doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
So the D&D becomes a framework for the improv.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
They're just playing Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. Dude, it's sold out in Madison Square Garden?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
What do you think is happening? Is it... Like, I mean, it's clear that people are craving some kind of communal event. Of course. Right? And that this is something they do with their friends. Maybe they listen to a podcast. But I guess they're just going to be part of this community.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
I don't know if that's part of any motivational speaker's system, other than straight up fascists. But yeah, the things you can accomplish with absolutely no sense of empathy. And for most people, empathy has to be honed. It has to be engaged.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
In this lost episode. So, this lost episode? This is not a lost episode. No, no, no. But you're in Vancouver and I guess when you live there, there is a limit to it remaining exciting or you wanting to stay there. There was just no future comedically there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Fun for me. Oh, good for you. Yeah, but I mean, I was 23, so I... But why'd you get into comedy? Who were the people that, like, you know, what drove you there? When you were a kid, like, what'd you grow up with? You had a lot of big family?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Oh, you're talking about him like he's out of the picture. No, no, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
It has to be worked on, especially in a world where we're self-consumed, self-absorbed, self-centered and entertaining ourselves endlessly with algorithms that have been chosen for our self and our desire system. Where is there room for empathy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
He smokes his own fish and makes his own sausage? Yeah. He had a deli? Yeah. Where you could buy it by the pound or eat it in-house?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Mein Gott, das klingt wie die Zukunft. Warum nicht diese Zukunft? Was ist mit dir falsch? Du kannst immer noch zurückgehen. Er hat den Deli verkauft.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. That's the fucking life. It is the life. Like that's why I'm going to Canada now, because I've just been recently, I hope I can go. I don't know, I hope I don't, well. I just wanna have options, dude. Of course, of course. But that sounds pretty good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
I don't know if I'm too old to get into the racket. No. I don't know if I'm too old to get a boat and learn the things, but maybe I could do it in a leisurely way. Maybe I could go out, catch some fish, smoke them, hang out, have a friend over, try this fish.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Where is there room for considering the struggles of others when you're completely engaged in your own emotional spectrum being triggered by garbage that you let into your face? Huh? And I'm not speaking down, I'm speaking over. I'm not different than any of you. I am speaking to myself. I mean, look, I've got a dad... who has dementia.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Auf und ab. Also bist du in der Schriftführung der neuen Show, die... Was ist ihr Name? Hosting. Ja, was ich glaube, ich hätte gesagt. Ja, das ist gut. Ja. Jeder weiß, dass das passiert. Ich werde dich nicht fragen, was die Dynamiken waren. Ja. Oder was es für eine spannende Saison macht. Ja. Oder was Hannahs Charakter tut. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah, Hannah's the best. So it's interesting. You're really kind of doing it the old way. Like, you know, you're doing the comedy. You seem serious about it. You have a point of view. You're like, fuck the man. But you're like, but the man needs me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ich konnte nie, ich hatte nie ein Handel auf Auditionen oder Aktivität. Ich war alle weinend. Es gab keinen Weg, dass ich auf eine Sitcom passen würde. Also, obwohl ich es wollen wollte, war es nicht, es war nicht going to happen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
It's a little rock club. Yeah, it's kind of interesting because there was no kind of... Ja. Ich habe versucht, aber letztendlich war niemand da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Also hast du es während des Festivals gemacht? Ja. Also hast du den Festival-Pull bekommen? Ja. Aber du konntest die Frau kennenlernen? Ja, ich konnte die Frau kennenlernen. Und sie hat dein ganzes erstes Show verdammt. Ja, ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Also du hattest das alles auf Tape und du hattest, du hattest, weißt du, zwischen den Shows, du hattest, du hattest, du hattest, du hattest, du hattest, du hattest, du hattest. Was war es? Progression? Progression. Ja, also was war die Idee? Du hattest eine Idee? Du hattest ein Thema?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Also 60 Leute. Und das war direkt nach 9-11. Wow. In Stand-Up New York. Und ich hatte nur einen Mann, der einen Dat-Rekorder hatte. Mach es. Und wir haben das rausgebracht. Das war der erste CD. Und es wurde später wiederveröffentlicht. Aber es war ein sehr leckeres, verdammtes Show. Und dann sind Tickets noch vorhanden, die ich in Seattle machte. Was war das Ort?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
And before he had dementia, my dad was always a fairly, I would say, look, I'm no psychiatrist, but I would say he was pretty close to pathological narcissism and the full spectrum of emotions that comes with that and defends was at the core of that, which is a profound, I think, infantile emptiness and probably rage. Again, not a psychiatrist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Why am I forgetting... Oh, laughs then maybe? Not laughs, it was the other one. And now I'm spacing it out. Like... Terry hielt den Club, er verkaufte die Tickets, er servierte die Trinken, er öffnete den Show, und dann versuchte er, dich auszulösen. Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, was der Name des Clubs war. Warum passiert das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Aber es war ein schrecklicher kleiner Club, aber er hatte leichte Stiefel, es war okay. Und ich habe ihn einfach angerufen und gesagt, ich muss einen Rekord machen. Und wir haben das da gemacht, und es wurde nicht verkauft. Und dann der letzte, der letzte Engagement, das gleiche. Ich war... Meine Frau hatte mich gerade verlassen. Und ich war so... All das war sehr lecker. Ich war sehr wütend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Und ich war schmerzhaft und voll von verdammter Schmerz. Nicht wirklich Schmerz, sondern nur Wut. So habe ich das über vier Shows gedreht. Keiner von ihnen wurde verkauft. Und sie sind da draußen. Und Louis Katz hat gesagt, dass das letzte Engagement seine Leben gerettet hat. Es hat ihm geholfen. Wow. Ja, so I delivered, you know, for one guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Oh ja, das war von dem Schmerz. Ja. Vor Netflix war es ein Ding. Es war nur eine Stunde und eine halbe, halb nachgedachtes Ding.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah, you did. That was a decision, dude. The sitting down. Like, you know, I was like, you know, I did my share of running around. Look, I tried it for a while.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Well, what I noticed was that There were a couple... It happened later in my career because, you know, you find that, like, when you're walking around, especially if you're doing... You're trying to hold, grab them, like, and you feel this compulsion to kind of, you know, move back and forth. I'll do some pacing, you know, still at the comedy store.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But I just... I found that sitting down, you know, if... Wenn du dich nicht überraschst, zieht es die Aufmerksamkeit anders. Und wenn du das hältst, ist es dein eigenes Raum. Und du fühlst dich nicht, als würdest du rumlaufen. Es klingt bescheuert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
It's sad when the one thing you need up there fucks you. And then you're embarrassed. You're just trying to be cool. You're just trying to be cool and be listened to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
We saw the mic stand breaking opened the portal into his vulnerability.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
For the audience. Back when he could smoke, my hair caught on fire on stage. That was a big moment. Oh, that's a huge moment. Because I had really long hair and I used to flip it. Ja, genau. Du musst es auch haben. Es ist so schwer. Die ganze Grund, warum wir in das machen, ist, dass es eine Krieg ist, wenn man verarscht wird. Ja. Und wenn das passiert, musst du sagen, nimm den Schlag.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Lass uns sehen, ob wir davon auslaufen können. Lass uns nicht weglaufen, Mann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ja, ich mache das. Ja. Wie Menschen sprechen, wie Menschen Stand-Up machen, weil sie lieben wollen. Ich bin so, das könnte wahr sein, aber nicht so lange. Yeah. You know, maybe a minute or two.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
And then kind of throw something in. Yeah, you do kind of do that. I'm like, don't clap at that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah, yeah. What is that? I don't know what that is. Or else you do a joke that everybody likes and then you're like, all right, well, how about this one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But as he gets more demented, as that illness progresses, what doesn't go away, what's interesting is that I don't know. Look, again, I'm not a clinician and I'm not a caregiver. But it seems that what's left once all the systems start to break down and their ability to socialize and think or remember their breakfast goes away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Du tust es nicht. Viele Leute tun es nicht mehr.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Und die Stage-Zeit liebe ich. Und ich liebe die Räume. Ich glaube, ich liebe sie. Ich meine, ich bin 61 und ich fühle das immer noch. Wenn ich da bin, fühle ich mich wie, oh, fuck. Ist Esti hier? Ja. Ich bin wie ich bin. Ja, ich meine, ich habe mit Todd gesprochen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Das war formativ. Wir haben zusammen angefangen. Wir waren immer zusammen. Er und ich waren immer zusammen. Wir waren immer zusammen. Wir waren immer zusammen. Es gab früher einen Club namens Catch a Rising Star. Und der Mann, der ihn besiegte, war Louis Ferranda. Und er hat einfach einfach jemanden ausgewählt, der weitergeht. Oh, ich weiß, dass Louis da ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ja, er arbeitet jetzt für das Festival. Ja, ja, ja. Aber er war früher der Bartender. Und dann wurde er der Bucher dieses großen Clubs. Und die Jungs sitzen da und warten für Stunden, um zu sehen, ob er sie aufschließt. Normalerweise nachdem die Audienz weg war. Und ich konnte es einfach nicht machen. Ich konnte nicht lassen, dass dieser Kerl die Macht meines Lebens hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Warum? Was kannst du mit all diesen Kämpfen machen? Wirst du nur weiterhelfen? Ich glaube, bis ich explodiere. Was ist die Präsenz? Was ist die Idee für das nächste Special?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Well, that's like a tough road to hoe when you do it a specific way and you're not going to waver. Is that like, you know, you don't got a second gear that you're gonna kick into. Yeah. To sort of get everybody on board.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
You know, it's not like some new sound. Well, it can be, but your pace is sort of like, well, now that I know you like Todd, who were some of the other soilpokes that you liked? You know, Hannibal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
You know, I think what's left over that still comes to the forefront is something that's probably the deepest. beyond memories. It's a character trait of some kind. And with my dad, the one thing that seems to be holding on is a very deep fuck you. There's a lot, a very deep kind of rage at the edge of the void. The void of death, the void of the injury. Die Trauma. Fuck you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
So his bit was... And he hosted that show? Yeah. And you go on, there was nobody there or was it pretty packed?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
And I found it. That's what invented Hannibal? Yeah, of course. But then Hannibal became sort of like a musical act and a freak and a weirdo. Sure. He changed his pace. Sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
dass du deinen eigenen Stil durch das machst. Es ist interessant, weil er so viel Aufmerksamkeit hatte, und er hatte definitiv einen anderen Stil. Und dann hat er plötzlich einen schwarzen Schuh, und er macht Musik. Und er hat sich geändert. Es war, als ob er aus seinem Schell rausgekommen wäre.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Was ihn bekannt gemacht hat, war sein nervöses Defensivmechanismus, oder sein Versuch, sich zu sozialisieren. Und dann hat er plötzlich diesen großen Akt gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
I've never met him. Oh yeah, when I talked to him, it was a crazy story. Just him sleeping on the subway, driving around on the subway for hours. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he really paid his dues, but it's interesting when someone's style changes that much. I mean, I feel like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
auf dieser Tour, weil der Welt und weil meiner Publikation, weißt du, ich habe versucht, einen anderen Ansatz zu finden, in irgendeinem Sinne. In was? In wie ich den Akt präsentiere. Okay, also bist du nicht wie Donnerstag? You know, and it feels like everybody's sort of in shock. Boiling frog. Yeah, kind of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But just sort of like they're traumatized and it doesn't feel like, it feels like it's over. So like I have to approach it like, you know, there's one thing to sort of like call something out with anger in resistance. when you feel like there's fight left. But right now, maybe it'll change in a few months. I don't know. It doesn't feel like there's fight.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
It feels like there's just this PTSD and this sort of weird kind of shock. So going into it, I've started to be more like, look, we're all in the same boat. It's bad. I don't know if I have solutions. I can reflect on my feelings about it. But I can also then from there just try to be entertaining in the moment that we're in. And I'm not a guy that generally thinks about entertaining.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But then all of a sudden I started to realize like, well, maybe, you know, you can set up where we're at and then just entertain within that. Yeah. As opposed to be like, you know, I know the answers or fuck these people or whatever. Like the people I have, my audience, you know, they're a fragile bunch and they're grownups and they're sensitive and most of them are progressive.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
So, you know, I can kind of weave in the doom. Of course. But then kind of like try to lift up a little.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
You push back in the way that, you know, you can live your life and that's going to be on some level, if you think a certain way, an actual... active resistance is that you can't buckle to this wave of fucking you know Ja. Ja. And they just mind their own business.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
So I kind of, like, talk about how, well, you have to continue to stand up in your life, you know, so someone's got to hold the line and you can't just, you know, wither away. No. But it's hard, dude. Yeah. It's really, we're getting this, you know, front row seat to see how this propaganda brain fuck works on people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Und es ist nicht. Nein, weil die Telefone und die Art von Algorithmen die Leute in ein Beliefssystem eingelassen haben, das ständig wieder eröffnet wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Und mein Vater war immer einer von diesen Leuten. Er wusste seine spezielle Arbeit, die Surgery war. Er wusste seine Fähigkeit. Er wusste die Welt der Medizin, aber alles andere wusste er nicht. Und ich denke, in manchen Fällen war das immer, du weißt, kind of an insecurity of his.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
And I don't want that to stop. So in terms of like... What one has to do to get out there, you don't have the wherewithal to feed the beast, the content beast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Oh, thanks, man. I studied that guy. I knew who that guy was. That movie was good. And my fear was being that guy. So I thought if I acted as that guy, maybe it would... Man, es war großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ja, ja, ja, auf Houston. Ja. Ja, ja. Ja, ich, naja, die Schauspielung war etwas, was ich immer wollte, aber es sah nicht so aus, als würde es passieren. Und das ist nicht passiert. Ich war in meinen 40ern.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Das war verrückt. Und jetzt versuche ich es herauszufinden. Hast du Aktivismus studiert? Nein. Du machst es nur?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Yeah. Do you write shows? Are you developing shit? Yeah. Do you sell them?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But I think the fact that I kind of sought to be a thinker and try to engage with stuff, that he needed to sort of kind of meet me there somehow or compete with me somehow.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ja. Aber ich denke, wenn man mit Leuten spricht, die aus Gemeinschaften kommen, ethnischen Gemeinschaften oder einer anderen Herkunft oder Immigrantengeschichte, Es gibt etwas Wichtiges an diesen Shows, was Amerika aussieht und was ein Amerikaner ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
In dem Sinne, wenn ich Reservation Dogs, Rami Show oder Mo Show schaue, bin ich ein sehr offensichtlicher Typ, aber ich weiß nichts über diese Leben. Und es ist ein Leben, das auf einer Gemeinschaft, die seit Tausenden von Jahren existiert ist, gebaut wird. Und jetzt sind sie hier und wie sie ihre Familien zusammenhalten. Aber es gibt einen Sinn für die Geschichte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Wobei, basic weiße Leute, was hast du? Nichts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Sure, yeah. It's a weird thing, though, to be untethered from a sense of history or community.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
And the way that kind of manifested was just, you know, provoking me, trying to get a rise out of me, you know, instigating arguments without a counter argument, just acting out of kind of ego and insecurity and figuring out a way to push buttons. And that gave him a great deal of satisfaction. Now, I think that, look, you know, he did have a full range of emotional,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Das ist okay. Und das ist das gleiche mit Moe. Wenn du Leute beurteilst oder sie marginalisierst, dann verringerst du die Möglichkeit für Erfolg. Und auch einfach verschiedene Punkte der Sicht. Mhm. These people are so uncomfortable with people that are different than them that they resent them and then eventually they hate them and then they want them to shut up or be gone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Und dann sind wir an diesem verdammten Punkt. Und es ist seltsam, weil 75 Millionen Leute für diesen Mann nicht wählten. Sie wählten für die andere Person. Ja. Und sie sind da draußen. Aber es gibt so eine konstante Assault auf Propaganda. Um jemanden zu beurteilen, passiert es in ihnen. Ich weiß nur nicht, warum man mehr als eine Sache nicht mag. Du weißt, was ich meine?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Untertitelung der Menschen, die gleichmäßig sind. Ich bin nicht grundsätzlich ein Leiter von irgendeiner Art. Ich werde nicht da rausgehen und versuchen, einen Marsch zu starten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Aber ich denke, ich kann. Aber du würdest da sein, wenn du eingeladen wärst und es glaubst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ja, aber es gibt diese Idee, dass auch in der Unwahrheit, dass ich denke, ich glaube, ich mache das instinktiv, aber ich versuche, mir davon mehr bewusst zu sein, dass es eine Bedrohung gibt für eine Erleichterung oder das Gefühl zu haben, dass Leute um dich herum gleichmäßig sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Es ist wirklich seltsam, weil in der ersten Trump-Administration fühlte ich mich, als würde ich diese Shows machen und ich würde sagen, das ist ein sauberer Raum, wir können hier reden. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Well, it was good talking to you, buddy. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yeah, man. There you go. Gavin Matz. He's in Season 4 of Hacks, which is now streaming on Max. And also his comedy special Progression is available on YouTube. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
behavior but usually it was a vacuum of need or a aggressive expression of pushing you away pushing me away whoever but you know his disposition got him into a lot of trouble over his life and what's interesting about what just happened over the last few days was
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Hey People, if you liked Monday's episode with Peter Weller, there's an extra 20 minutes of me and Peter available exclusively for Fullmaron subscribers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Ja, und das als Kugel, um mehr Kraft zu nehmen. Ich meine, sogar jetzt mit Fentanyl.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Wie die Idee, wir werden diese schließen. Das ist das große Problem mit Kanada. Yeah, it is. It's leverage. Leverage, that's the word. To get that Peter Weller bonus episode along with all the bonus episodes we do twice a week, sign up for the full Marin. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF Plus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
around this tariff chaos, is that this is a guy, not unlike my father, who is, his sort of strength is not real strength, it's based on a profound weakness of sense of self, of ego, and also at the core of it is just a void. And, you know, at the edge of that void is, you know, whatever's Ja, genau. who is obviously politically adept in terms of manipulating people and frightening people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But I think at the core, you have a guy whose mind is slipping, who has literally all the power in the world, who at any given moment, if he's not getting all of the attention... feels like he's disappearing. So every day he has to figure out how to get a rise out of the world. How do I get a rise out of the world? And not unlike my father, when all of a sudden...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
People that he wants desperately to like him. I think for the most part, he truly doesn't give a fuck about people that don't like him and he'll just beat on them. But the people that he wants acceptance from or wants to appear smart to, if they turn on him or if his reflection in the The movement that he started starts to get ugly. Then, you know, he just retreats.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
You know, hey, come on, I was just, you know, fucking around. You know, I was just, you know, see, look, I got a rise out of you. But the problem is, is that, you know, he is the most powerful man in the world. Aber in Bezug auf Intelligenz... He's really just a angry armchair bigot. The armchair might be gilded in gold. And the floors might be marble. But he's still just a guy yelling at the TV.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
But now he's got all the power in the world. And he just wants to get a rise out of the world. A guy who is thrilled. Es war furchtbar und durch Negligenz, wahrscheinlich, dass er seine Verträglichen getötet hat, weil seiner Macht. It's a horrendous charade and it's a fucking threat to the existence itself for everyone. Yeah, how are you? Nice to see you. Sorry. Hey, I forgot to do this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Tomorrow I'm in Grand Rapids, Michigan. GLC Live at 20 Monroe. Saturday I'm in Traverse City, Michigan at the City Opera House. In Los Angeles, I'm at Dynasty Typewriter, Monday, April 14th, Saturday, April 26th, and Tuesday, April 29th. Those are all at 7.30. Then Largo in LA for an 8 p.m. show on Tuesday, April 22nd.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
In May, I'm coming to Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire, and then Brooklyn for my HBO special taping at the Bam Harvey Theater on May 10th. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Yes, getting a rise out of the world by creating chaos. Certain types of people just like pushing buttons till someone spins out and then they just watch the show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast. WTF, welcome to it. I imagine you chose it. You didn't just walk in, wonder what's going on here. What's happening here? Who's this guy? Who's he talking to? I don't think I've ever heard of that guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Push those buttons until things just get chaotic and untethered beyond anything you could ever expect. And just watch the show. Watch it unfold. So, outside of that, I guess things are not great here at the house with Charlie. He's kind of half a zombie. I'll deal with that when I get back from my dates. I don't think I'm going to keep him on the Prozac.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
As for me, I went to begin the process of getting a crown in my mouth. I've become very fascinated with dentistry. It's almost like being a jeweler. You know, the tools they work with, you know, some power tools, but some very fine, you know, fine picks and files. But, you know, I'm fascinated with root canals. I'm fascinated with the process of putting a crown on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
And, you know, as you get older, you know, I have gum recession and I'm always worried about my gums. But it turns out my gums are very healthy because I'm obsessive about them. Take good care of them. The recession, it turns out, is because I have a cross bite. My bite is fucked up, has been my whole life. But with teeth, it's interesting when you look at x-rays.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
And now I'm going to have like one of each type of fake tooth. I've got one implant. I've got one root canal. Und jetzt habe ich einen Kronen. Ich denke, ich habe jetzt zwei Kronen. Und es ist lustig, als man älter wird. Ich habe mit dem Dentist über meinen Biss gesprochen. Und der Dentalassistent war so, dass sie das immer noch lösen können. Und ich war so, ja, wenn sie meinen Bein brechen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Es gab einen Grund, warum ich das in der Hochschule nicht machen wollte. Ich wollte nicht der Junge sein, der einen Stahl trinken muss, mit seinem fucking Mund geschlossen. Ich war zu weinig für sechs Monate. Die Bracen funktionierten nicht. Aber sie sagen, du kannst es immer lösen. Und ich bin so, weißt du was? I can't. I've lived this long.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
If we can just make the teeth last until the end, or put ones in there that will, I'm good. But the idea was, it's just fascinating to me, because this one tooth that I had to get a crown for had a filling in it from when I was a kid, and there was a crack along it because of my bite, which only lands on this tooth and the one on the other side. I can only chew with like four teeth
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Drei oder vier Zähne. Und die Druck auf es war, du weißt, eine Menge für ein Leben lang. Und es gab einen Krack in es. Also gab es die außerliche Chance, dass, du weißt, als sie begonnen haben, als sie das Füllen ausgemacht haben, um die, basically, die Post für den Kronen aus dem Teig, den ich habe, es könnte alles durchgekratzt haben und sie würden es alle rausziehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Und ich würde noch einen Implantat brauchen. Also bist du direkt am Ende davon, Mann. Wie wird es gehen? And then the jewelry work starts happening. You have four or five Novocaine shots. Your whole fucking face is numb. And they're just going at it. The smell of burning tooth from the drills. A lot of this sounds terrifying, but I'm like, you know, what's going to happen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
Look at this jeweler at work. They got to craft me this little gem of a new tooth. So they drilled out that fucking filling and it turns out it didn't go all the way through. Then they fill it up with some hardening goop to create the little post for the new piece of jewelry that is going to be in the back of my mouth. I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
I guess if you enter a dental situation with fascination, also just a root canal, it's like, what the fuck? Who figured that out? We want to create a post out of what's left of your tooth, but we got to file out those nerves. and make them inert. It's like, it's like, on some level dentistry can be a racket, but on that, you know, tooth by tooth basis, it's just kind of fascinating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
That's the interesting thing about when people see me post the guests on a social media platform. You know, people are like, who? Like, that's my fucking problem? Look it up, fuck. Who? Today we got a Canadian fella. Canadian fella on the show. Gavin Matz, he's a writer and a comedian. He's also in the cast of Season 4 of Hacks, which premieres today on Max.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1633 - Gavin Matts
It's very, it's very kind of delicate and nuanced, you know, work that has to be done, you know, in a very kind of small space. I think it's kind of fascinating. And I'm also, you know, now I've got a temporary crown on. I just got to hope I don't fucking swallow it. Yeah, I'll try to remember that. Okay, so Gavin Matz is here. He is in Season 4 of Hacks, which is now streaming on Max.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Yeah, and I don't know how many people here, I get the sense that it's different in the European sense of what it really means, but here I don't know that people, most people have the depth to wrap their brain around it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
It really is. And when you, like, in terms of like your, like, life, I mean, you grew up in fairly recent, it was post-war Britain. Yeah. So it was rubble.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Weil, wenn ich über... Because I've watched, you know, I've seen your movies throughout my life, but when I knew I was going to talk, well, the Criterion had just put a bunch on there, which was great, because I hadn't seen those earlier ones. And then when I knew I was going to talk to you, I've watched, you know, a lot of Mike Lee in a very short time. Und es hat ein Gewicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und es ist das Gewicht von menschlicher Emotion und Tension und versuchen, das Beste zu machen, was es ist, wenn es möglich ist. Nun, als Künstler, wie du bist und du hast einen spezifischen Weg, ihn zu beobachten, und du hast eine Sensibilität, die einen Zweck hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und es ist f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing Und jetzt habe ich mich evakuiert. Dieses Morgen war schrecklich und mein Herz geht an alle Leute in den Palisaden und überall in Kalifornien. Es ist einfach verrückt. Diese Winden, blaue Schuhe aus meinem Schrank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ich bekomme Angst, weil, und ich weiß nicht, ob das gleich ist wie bei dir, dass du diese Dinge in den Welt einbringst, die in ihrer Weise die Menschheit feiern. So, is there a power to art now that can stand up to, or is it necessary to think that way, to the politics that we're dealing with? Well, it has to be. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Well, I think that what we did here, you know, in these conversations and also in my comedy, you know, they're two different things, but in the face of the first Trump administration that we leaned into what we did to explore and embrace the vulnerability of people, you know, and express the uniqueness of that humanity in the face of what becomes a monoculture of ignorance.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And I don't know that there's There's much else you can do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Well, when you started in terms of, you know, how much do you think post-war England and what that must have felt like influenced your young brain towards the arts?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you see that movie about that tour? Of course. Oh, my God.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And you had seen the movies? So you were expecting something?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Sie konnten es einfach nicht zusammenführen. Aber das ist die Menschheit der ganzen Sache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und ich wusste, dass es den Palisades-Fall gab und ich versuchte, herauszufinden, was da los war. Ob die Leute, die ich kenne, verletzt waren. Offensichtlich waren sie da. Und ich versuchte nur, die Situation zu monitorieren, weil diese Winde aus Kontrolle gegangen sind. And last night I'm going to bed and I heard there was a fire out in Altadena. And I know people out there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Oh yeah. And the Jewish experience of that time... War es eine Gemeinschaft? War es eine Isolierung?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And do you still know those people? Yeah. Oh, you do. And you're in touch with them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ja, das ist sicher. Weil du einen Raum kreierst mit all deinen Filmen. Und ich habe es mehr bemerkt, dass es einen Gewicht gibt, den Geheimdienst und die Verleihung einer Szene in einer natürlichen Art zu machen. Das ist kontraintuitiv zu, sicherlich, Mainstream-Movien oder Unternehmensprodukten. War es Theater oder waren es Filme, die dich ermutigten, diesen Raum zu suchen? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
I don't know how they're doing. I've texted some people. Some people I know are okay, but I haven't heard back from some people. And I don't know really how to reach out to other people. But that fire crept over and it was really very close to where I live in Glendale. And they were starting to evacuate Glendale on the other side of the highway from me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ja, ich habe mich über Pinter interessiert, weil ich über ihn schon ein bisschen gesprochen habe und ich habe die Filmversion des Geburtstags-Partys vorgesehen. Und es gibt eine Art von zerstörernden Tension, aber es scheint alles wirklich in der menschlichen Beziehung zu sein. Total. Und ich glaube, die Spiele sprechen dazu auch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und auch, ich glaube, je nachdem, was in der Zeit passiert war, To see it made fresh by productions that were active.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And it was like, it just didn't look good this morning. You know, I was up at six and I was going to... You know, I guess have a day. You know, I was having some painting done at the house. I just had it rodent treated. So it's all sealed up. And now I don't know what's going to happen in my house. I don't know if the fire is going to jump over there and burn down my neighborhood. I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And these actors, at that point, so you're dealing with a lot of people who are amateurs. Yeah, totally. And so completely willing to take the risks, I imagine, that you wanted them to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Because it seems that over time, you got to find the actors that can do what you do. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Wenn sie in dem Film kommt, der dritte Akt, ist es ein anderer Film. Ich weiß.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Es muss ein langweiliges Projekt gewesen sein, um diese Charakteristin zu halten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und du gibst ihnen die Zeit, diese Entscheidungen zu definieren, den Charakter auf ihre eigenen Termine zu definieren, damit sie in und aus kommen können.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
I wasn't under a mandatory evacuation this morning, which is yesterday, if you're listening to this Thursday. And I didn't. And the zone next to me was on alert, but hadn't been evacuated. Ich habe mich evakuiert, aber ich bin aufgewacht. Letzte Nacht ging ich raus und machte Komödie und wir wussten, dass die Feuerzeuge in den Palisaden gehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Well, that's the interesting thing about watching some of the movies going all the way back, is that there's a naturalism to it, that you would assume that these people in their embodiment of the character, having been sort of learned about the method process, are so good, dass sie das tun, aber es gibt eine andere Qualität von Schauspielern. Es ist eine ganz andere Sache. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Absolutely, yeah. And what you do is very specific. Absolutely. Because oddly, in watching the films, I watched Bleak Moments after I'd seen 10 other ones. And the interesting thing about watching that movie is that it stands up as one of your best movies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
But that was like a template. I know. And I don't know. And even in that movie, in talking about the climate you were growing up in, that you had these, I assume, left-wing propagandists were taking up the garage to make their ideological pamphlets. But you don't go into that. No. It's just, it is of the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And when you went into that movie, you'd already done some theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Yeah, yeah. And also, you seem very aware from the beginning of the use of music als ein ganz anderer Teil der Poesie der Sache zu erschaffen. Und es scheint, dass die Musik einen Ton und einen Theme in den meisten deiner Filme hat. Ja. Nun, benutzen Sie diese Komponisten? Ich weiß, es gibt einige, die Sie genommen haben, aber haben Sie Leute, die den Film scoren? Ja, ja. Total.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und ich weiß nicht, du bist nur ein Teil von dir, der denkt, ich werde nur tun, was ich tue. Und ich werde in Ordnung sein. Es gibt dieses Denial, ein Teil deines Gehirns, das ich mir vorstelle, ist überwältigend, dass du dich zurück auf die Und das ist, was hier passiert. Also dieses Morgen bin ich so, ich weiß nicht, ob ich warten kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Right, with the guitar player. Dreadful guitar player. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Es war interessant, den Film zu sehen, weil ich das eine Gefühl habe, und ich weiß nicht, ob du es persönlich oder wenn du in diesem Film bist, ist, dass du zu einem Punkt mit diesen Charakteren kommst, wo, ich meine, es gibt eine Balance zu dem Ding.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
In terms of, you do, as heavy as they can get in terms of the pain of a character, that, you know, even in this movie, through some editing, but also through the character arc itself, there are moments of release of tension. You know, maybe not happiness per se, but there seems to be a balance between like, you know, if there was no moment in which Pansy in this new film Absolutely.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it does seem that I don't know ever... What human moment we're going to go to black on. You know, and when, you know, so this unconventional ending that doesn't imply anything's over.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Well, it's interesting because my girlfriend is a huge fan. And she feels, as a person who grew up in the American working class, she feels represented. von deinen Filmen, in einer sehr persönlichen Art. Sie ist ein Filmmacher, oder? Nein, nein, sie liebt deine Filme, aber sie liebt Horrorfilme auch. Aber irgendwie spricht es zu ihr, weil sie sich niemals in Filmen sehen will.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
to be evacuated, because I've got to deal with these fucking cats. Oh my God, dude. Dudes, ladies, gentlemen. He, they, she, whatever, man. It's just... Been a morning, I'll tell you that. And so I only have one crate. If there is a transgression I have made in this situation is not having more than one crate. And then it's sort of like, what do I bring? How long am I going to be gone?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Well, there is sort of an oddly... Heroic nature to Vera Drake.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Right, tropes, right. What was interesting last night, it wasn't an argument, but the moment in this new film, in Hard Truths, where the husband throws the flowers out, that we had a discussion about that action. And her sense of it was totally different than mine. There you go. Good. And, you know, we had to pull it back from an argument because there is no arguing. It's a sensibility.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And my sensibility in that action, given that his son had given his mother the flowers, perhaps for the first time since he was a child, that, you know, what I read was that... dass das Charakter, der Mann, Regrette über seine Leben hatte und dass seine Beziehung mit seinem Sohn weit weg war, weil er mögliche Enttäuschung hatte, weil er die Leben, in denen er sich befand, über die Zeit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und sie hat es gelesen. Und dann, als ich das gesagt habe, sagt sie, ich denke, du brauchst Therapie. Und dann habe ich gesagt, was denkst du, was es war? Und sie hat gesagt, es war nur eine Reaktion auf die Aktion von Pansy. Du weißt, dieser menschliche Moment, der für sie so eine Schur war, war nicht genug. And he was angry about that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
But then she also saw the son, Moses, as being some sort of on the spectrum. And I thought that, well, I don't know that I agree with that. I think he was denied love his entire life. by a troubled mother and that he was in a suspended sense of childhood. And again, you're not going to speak to that. No. But these are the conversations.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Yeah. And when you go, like, let's talk about the process a little bit, because in order for you to do what you do, you know, you make a lot of films, but you have a very specific way of working to get the collaboration and the sort of piece of work that you do. Like, in general... When you start a story, what is the idea?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Am I seeing my house for the last time? But all I can think about at that moment was these fucking cats. And how do I get them into my car with one crate? Und das war die Art von... Weil du musst da sitzen und darüber nachdenken. Es ist okay, vielleicht kann ich einfach splitzen. Und es wird okay. Und sie werden okay. Und ich schicke mich mit ihnen später ein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Also durch diesen Prozess skriptest du Szene für Szene? Ja. Und durch die Improvisationen machst du Noten über Momente? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Aber dann bin ich so, Alter, sie sind deine fucking Katzen. Und kannst du sie hier einfach lassen und hoffen für das Beste? Und nein. Also habe ich Charlie in einen Kratzer gesetzt. Nicht einfach. Und dann habe ich Sammy genommen und ich hatte einen alten Hamper. Wie ein Wicker-Hamper. Mit einem Koffer drauf, den ich wegwerfen werde. Es war auf meinem Tisch. Und es blieb nicht weg.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Also an einem Tag, an dem man eine Szene filmt,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Das ist interessant. Ich meine, es ist wahrscheinlich einzigartig für dich. So sagen sie. Also habe ich gesagt. Was ist der Grund, dass du sogar ein ganzes Skript kreiert hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und ich schätze, dass du das über die Zeit, wenn du über die ersten paar Filme denkst, weil du so alt warst, dass du mit Kontemporären und Problemen, die in deinem Leben passieren, handelst. Und das muss sich irgendwann verändert haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Also habe ich ihn da drin gelegt und es geschlossen. Und dann hatte ich Buster und ich musste eine Box finden. Also hatte ich nur eine normale Box und habe ihn in sie getapet, habe Hose in sie gepumpt, Samy in den Hamper gelegt und Charlie in den einen Kratzer gelegt, den ich hatte und dann alle in den Auto bekommen. And immediately they all started shitting and pissing, so my car was a candle.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Right. But with her character, that didn't necessarily have to be related to COVID.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Weil es nicht, ich würde mir vorstellen, in Bezug auf ihre Existenz, du bist nicht mit dem interessiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ja, aber jetzt, um es sogar ein bisschen zu beantworten, scheint es fast notwendig, weil ich denke, dass die Engagement der meisten Menschen durch diese horrendösen Geräte ist. Keine Frage. Ja. Well, I rewatched Naked two nights ago, and I hadn't seen it since it came out, so I was a young person. What year did that come out, in the 80s?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
But a testament to a movie that is a real piece of art is that your relationship with it changes over time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ja, ja. Ja. Almost pre-schizophrenic. It wasn't until the second viewing where I took a read that maybe he had a deeper mental illness and just his wasted potential.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
I saw that movie described as a dark comedy. Do you see it as a comedy? I see all my films as a comedy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und wenn du mit dem Thema handelst, was war der Moment, an dem du aus Career Girls gekommen bist, um dieses historische Stück zu machen? Wie hast du diese Entscheidung gemacht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And obviously there's part of me that's sort of like, well, I guess I'm going to have to throw this car in the garbage. I'm just going to have to drive this car into the, you know, whatever, junk pile. It's going to smell like fucking cat piss for the rest of time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Absolut. Und als du dorthin gegangen bist, hat das das Gewicht des Films, die Stärke des Films? Du musstest viele verschiedene Muskeln arbeiten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And you found the heart of the humanity of each one of those actors.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und in Bezug auf das Capturing of Victoria in England, ich glaube, genug von den Strukturen waren noch da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And look, certainly that's a concern, but obviously I was doing it to not think about what was at hand, which is, where the fuck am I going to go with my hampered cat? And my boxed cat and my other idiot in a crate were all in a car. And it's like just, you know, it smells like piss, smells like shit. They're all howling and I'm just driving my car and I don't know where to go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Right, but because the vestiges of this period were with you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Weil er nur ein Scheiß ist, nur eine Box von Tricks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
I don't have a plan in place. I thought, well, maybe away from the fire would be good. So that was the beginning of my day today. Yeah, this is happening. Look, a lot of people have it worse than me. There's a lot of situations in the world, earthquakes, famine, war, that are much worse than this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Es ist interessant, dass Leute, die keine Wahl haben, nur das Kunstwerk zu machen, immer noch die einzigartigsten Künstler sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Es gibt keinen Plan B, keine andere Art von Leben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And do you, like now you're kind of doing a press tour for this new film. Do you feel like, okay, on to the next project? Or do you take more time to yourself?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Do you see ones that you like or that, you know, in terms of finding another cinematographer, which I know is... Well, we find another cinematographer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Are there large pieces of scenes or scenes in entirety that get left out but shot?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
But in terms of these things, in terms of trying to find safety or try to do the right thing in the midst of all this, you know, it's definitely something you should think about. And obviously I've always thought about fires and I'm always concerned about it. But, you know, in the moment, man, in the moment... Wow. But I do have Mike Lee on the show today.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und das ist, was wir nutzen. Es ist interessant, du hast gestern Abend die Geschichte erzählt, dass Produzenten Dinge entfernen wollten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und was war die Beziehung in diesen, in diesen Linien am Anfang mit der BBC?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And Mike Lee is one of the greatest filmmakers alive. You know, I watched a lot of his movies. I knew a few of them. Criterion had a lot of the old ones. And there is such a humanistic realism, heavy heartedness, balanced with a bit of comedy and with a bit of sort of pathos that is really the pace and
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
But early on, too, I think that's how Python happened. Thank you, you too. There you go. That was Mike Lee. What an honor. Just spectacular. And he took time to sign Kit's poster. She had ordered a poster of one of his movies. And which one was it? High Hopes, I think. And he was very sweet and just a great guy. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Hey Leute, wir haben noch eine weitere WTF-Kollektion auf der vollen Maron-Feed. Wir haben eine Kollektion von Geschichten über das Überleben gemacht, mit Craig Ferguson, Karen Kilgareth, Dax Shepard, Jason Siegel und Rob Delaney.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
To get the latest WTF Collection episode plus new bonus episodes twice a week, sign up for the full merit. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder, before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAS. And a special thanks today to Morgan over here at Bad Ladder for hosting me in a studio. I guess we'll use some guitar from the vault.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und ich kann nicht wirklich sagen, wie ich mich fühle, aber es ist ein schwerer Weg mit mir und Michael E. In dem ich finde, dass sie die meisten... Poetisch zu erfüllen Sorten von Fenstern in die Menschlichkeit, die ich je in meinem Leben gesehen habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Boomer lives. Monkey and the Fonda Cat Angels. Everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und so viele von ihnen zusammen zu sehen, die Menschen zu sehen, die Probleme und was sie mit ihnen umgehen, einige von ihnen sind mondän, aber keine von ihnen sind anders als unsere Leben. Es fokussiert sich normalerweise auf arbeitende Menschen in Britannien und Ich weiß es nicht, Mann. Es ist einer der größten Filmmakern jemals. Es war eine große Ehre, mit Mike zu sprechen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Wir haben ein bisschen über seinen neuen Film Hard Truths gesprochen, den ich an einer Premiere mit Kit die Nacht vorher gesehen habe. Es war für mich eine unglaublich erfreuliche Erfahrung. Jetzt bin ich in der Mitte meiner eigenen menschlichen Krise, zusammen mit tausenden von anderen Leuten hier in Los Angeles. Es gibt eine Resonanz dazu.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ich versuche, in meinem Körper zu bleiben und es zusammenzuhalten und zu verstehen, dass die menschliche Tragödie und die menschliche Krise mehr so als nicht, wenn nicht immer, Teil der menschlichen Erfahrung sind. Um, his, the new film, hard truths, uh, is his 16th film. And, and I hope you can see it or, or go to criterion and watch some of the earlier stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
So back to the ordeal, you know, so I'm driving in my car. That's, you know, just filled with piss and screaming cats and, Und ich weiß nicht wirklich, was ich tun soll. Und ich erinnere mich, es ist einfach seltsam, was mein Gehirn macht. Ich habe eine Tasche gepackt. Für irgendeinen Grund habe ich eine Menge Geld gepackt. Ich weiß nicht mal, worum das war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ich meine, der Rest der Stadt funktioniert relativ gut. Bankmaschinen funktionieren gut. Aber alles, was ich dachte, waren Unterhaut, Socken, Kaffee, ein Watt Geld und eine Wasserbowle für den Katzen. Ich weiß nicht, worum das war. Ich habe den Computer und meine anderen Sachen, meinen Passwort. Ich habe meinen Passwort.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ich glaube, ein Teil von mir dachte, ich würde das Land verlassen oder vielleicht nach Mexiko gehen. Ich weiß nicht, was ich dachte, aber es war nicht genug. Ich habe mein Rekordgerät nicht mitgebracht. Was heißt das Studio? Bad Ladder Studios, thanks to some friends. Morgan McDonald at Bad Ladder Studios, who's Ali Makowski's boyfriend. I just got a hotel 10 minutes from here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
I gotta record, man. We gotta do it. So here I am doing it. But I went to Petco. I got two crates. Ich habe Litterboxen, ich habe mehr Essen und ich habe ein Hotelraum in Hollywood. Und ich habe die Kratzer zusammengelegt. Ich habe eine Maschine und alle von ihnen und jetzt sitzen alle Katzen in ihren eigenen Kratzern in einem Hotelraum in Hollywood. Und ich glaube, ich habe es einfach ausgewählt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Und wiederum hoffe ich, dass ihr und ihr gut seid. Und wenn nicht, hoffe ich, dass ihr in einem sicheren Ort seid. Aber ich bin sicher. Meine Katzen sind sicher. And, you know, I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety in general, but it's interesting what a crisis kind of throws you into action and throws cats in the hamper and into boxes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
And now I'm just like, you know, it was one of these, the wind is just menacing. I just really, I have no idea what's going to happen. And I got to sit with that. Und wir mussten einige Interviews abschließen. Einige konnten nicht rein. Und ein anderer Mann, den ich heute interviewen werde... Ich habe einfach... Ich habe mein Haus verlassen. Ich kann nicht erwarten, dass jemand nach Hause kommt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Aber... Aber ich hoffe, dass alle hier sicher sind. Und mein Herz geht an dich. Wenn du... Leute oder Häuser verloren hast... Es ist einfach verdammt schrecklich. Und ich weiß, dass ich klinge. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich klinge.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
But I do think that I'm locked into a zone here and it's amazing how much your brain, he has to constantly push back on denial because the part of your brain that's sort of like, well, it'll be okay, you'll be okay, it'll be okay. I don't know. I don't know. I do know that I'm safe, but I don't know that I'll be okay. I hope so. I do hope so. My tour dates are what they are.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
You can go to wtfpod.com slash tour. The Sacramento and Napa dates this weekend. I hope I can feel comfortable leaving my home to go do those dates. I guess everything's up in the air. Everything's fluid right now in terms of the fires. Yeah, so that's what's happening. Even by the time you hear this, I really don't know where I'm going to be at. But I do...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Thank you for listening and I hope everything works out for me and I do hope you enjoy this interview I did with Mike because he's great. The new film, Hard Truths, opens January 10th and this is me talking to Mike Lee before the fires.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck Nicks? What the fuck is happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast WTF. Welcome to it. It was touch and go today. I did not know if I would be able to do this because as many of you know, the state of California or Southern California or specifically the Los Angeles area is on fire and
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Es ist lustig, wenn ich britische Leute vorbeikomme, bin ich in Panik. Warum? Über den Tee.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Ich erinnere mich, ich hatte Roger Daltrey. Oh ja. Er ist einmal hergekommen und sie haben einen bestimmten Art von Tee gefordert. Also gehe ich raus und bekomme es. Und ich bin bereit. Und er will es nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Yeah, if you don't like that Bergamot business...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1607 - Mike Leigh
Years of work dismissed rightfully. I don't drink a lot of tea, but I have some nice teas. I'm more of a coffee guy. Tea plays a big part in all of your movies. I wonder why that is. It must be a cultural fact of some kind. So coming over here, what have you been thinking about? What's occupying your mind right now? Because I'm consumed with the threat of fascism myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Du fühlst dich, als hättest du etwas verloren, das eine gute Teil von dir enthält. Und in der Zeit, als ich auf dem Flugzeug war und als ich nach Burlington gekommen bin, habe ich es irgendwie verlassen. Ich bin so, fuck it, ist es überhaupt ein Punkt, um das Ding zurückzuholen, wenn es überhaupt möglich ist? Und And I kind of let it go, but I'm like, well, do some due diligence.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I mean, you know, why not try? So I go and I look up Lost and Found at Toronto Airport and I'm taken to a site and there's a form you fill out. And I filled out the form. Then I remembered I had this sticker on the thing of the Titty Sphinx from the Pittsburgh Cemetery. Very unique and specific information. Und ich bin so, das macht es mir. Ich werde niemanden öffnen müssen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und dann haben sie für den Seriennummer des Computers gefragt. Und ich habe das aufgeschaut. Und du merkst, all das ist auf deinem Telefon. Weißt du, welche anderen Maschinen du hast. Und ich habe den Seriennummer bekommen. Dann habe ich mit meinem Mac-Mann gesprochen. Und er ist so, ich bin so, ist der Seriennummer auf dem Computer? Ja, es ist am Außen. Es ist sehr klein, aber es ist da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und ich bin so, oh, also müssen sie nicht öffnen. Und er ist so, nein, Alter. Und dein Name ist direkt über dem Login. place on the homepage. And I'm like, oh. So all that panic about whether or not I had to let my computer go because I didn't want an anonymous border agent to open it with my password was made up. It was never a reality. And that's what I had to process in order to let it go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
It's not open. It's just fear. of having your entire life, it seems, you know, just available to strangers. And it's not even a browser history. I'm not doing the porn on the computer or anything like that, but it's just like, you know, pictures, films, things, writings, recordings, it's all on there, you know. I mean, I do a little porn on the phone, but not on the computer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Aber trotzdem, was ich sagen wollte, und nicht, dass sie Publikation benötigen, aber ich möchte einen Schautout geben zu dem, was die Struktur am Pearson International Airport in Toronto ist. Ich habe diesen Beweis verabschiedet und ich habe eine Bildung des Stickers gefunden. Ich habe das da drauf gelegt und das Seriennummer. And I emailed it. I never called anybody.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And within hours, like the next morning, they're like, we think we got it. We got it. I just got an email saying, this is your thing. And I'm like, great. And then they give you options of how to have it mailed to you. And now the computer is at home. It's at my house before I even get there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
You know, you get into these old buildings and you feel something. I don't know if it's a real feeling or if it's just something your brain manufactures because you know something about the place. But I definitely have real feelings about New England that always resurface when I'm here. But anyway, look. A couple of things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And it's so amazing when shit like that works out, where you just think like, well, this is going to be lost in the machinery of whatever the lost and found situation. I've got to stop thinking the worst all the time. The computer made it to my house. And then I was like, well, watch, the only way this can end in a fitting fashion is if it gets stolen off my porch. It did not. Anyway, look.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Samantha Crane ist hier. Ihr neues Album ist Gumshoe und es ist überall, wo auch immer ihr Musik bekommt. Und ich dachte, wir hatten eine ziemlich schöne Konversation. Und ich höre die Musik oft und es hat mich wirklich in einer Art und Weise gegründet, die ich nicht erwartet hätte. Aber das ist ich, die Samantha Crane spricht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Sorry, so what is this sport called that you brought me these sticks?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
This looks more like a lacrosse situation. I wonder if lacrosse evolved out of this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, I mean, it seems like this would be more challenging. So I imagine the people that play the old school one are like lacrosses for babies. Because look how small these catchers are. That's crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I just want to make a correction because Canadians are a little bit sensitive right now. And that correction is that I mentioned I was at the Elgin Theatre, but I was actually at the Elgin Wintergarden Theatre, which is the Wintergarden Theatre at the Elgin, which is a very specific and very special venue. I think I might have described it the last time I was there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Oh, I'm gonna do it. I kind of remember after when I came out. That was kind of a good show. It was great. How far is Oklahoma City from where you are? It's like 20 minutes. I've had a good time in Oklahoma.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I mean, when I went to Tulsa, I was like, oh my God, this place is great. And then I think like, I could live here, I'll just move here. And then you realize, it's like four blocks, dude. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I think that's true. You know, I grew up in New Mexico and you have, there's a connection to, if you grew up somewhere, it seems to become, it's part of your heart that you can't explain. So no matter what other people say about it or what, you know, how people see the city, you're like, well, this is, it lives in me. Exactly. Where did you grow up?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, when you were growing up, what was the community? You were Choctaw?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
They don't, why didn't they want you part of it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
You know, it bothers me and I always feel bad about it that I had, until like I watched Reservation Dogs, you know, and I talked to Sterling. I had no sense of what that life was like. And I think like, and I'm always kind of fascinated, but it seems like a great injustice that we don't know in general, that there are these communities that live in almost like a different time zone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und es ist so, die Traditionen und die Art und Weise, Spiritualität zu denken, sind so altartig und einzigartig. Aber ich wusste nichts darüber. Und ich bin ein alter Mann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
talking about it with the leaves all over the place. There's literally the entire walls and ceiling are just covered with a fake ivy that apparently represents real ivy that was there when they unearthed the place behind a wall. A Canadian, and I'll honor their request, was like, you know, that's a very special place, and the Elgin is really a different theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, that's actually surprising because you're from New Mexico and you never had any like... Sure, we knew, you know, people, indigenous people were around, but it was like they were, the reservations are in Albuquerque and the ones in the Navajo Nation is a little far away. And then there was, you know, Acoma and there's Pecos, but it wasn't, there was no way to learn the life, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, und dann kannst du sehen, was los ist. Du endest einfach in Ruinen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
It seems a little more dug in in Oklahoma. It seems like it's like that's the place. And I don't, we don't need to talk about it the whole time. I just kind of find it interesting. Yeah. Because I talked to Lilly too, you know, Gladstone, she's a friend of mine and you did her movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
That was great. The score was great, the movie was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I love it, but like it's a weird habit when you talk to people from that, your culture where, you know, I put people in the position where you're like, well, you're representative and I need some information. Yeah. But she seems to deal with it pretty well.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, that's exciting. What did your uncle do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
What was the family business out there? Where did you come from?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Es ist so lustig, ich hatte ein T-Shirt, das jemand mir gekauft hat. Ich weiß nicht, wo es war, aber es war vor Jahren. Es muss ein christlicher Giftshop gewesen sein. Es war Christus, fast in einer Push-Up-Position, mit dem Kreuz auf seinem Rücken, mit Muskeln.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And I'm like, all right, man, I'll clear it up. They're very touchy right now, and I get it. Even my joke about the 51st State, saying that... Now that the liberal one up there, that we could use it because of the votes. They got a little touchy about that, too. They're like, you can't be joking about that now. It's a delicate time. It's a scary time. I know, I know. I'm living through it myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I really want another one. Ich dachte nur, es wäre so cool. Ich war es ironisch, aber ich mag das T-Shirt. Ja. Hat Jesus den Kreuz auf seinem Rücken zerbrochen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Also hast du den Südenbaptisten mitgebracht? Ja. War da immer ein Element der traditionellen Spiritualität?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, und so eine Song wie, welches war es, When Will You Remain? Das ist eine Sprachsprache, die du einfach, aber das, weil ich konnte, ich wusste nicht, was du sagst. Du weißt nicht, wie du die Sprache kennst? Ich wünschte mir wirklich, dass ich es gemacht hätte. Aber das ist nur eine deiner originalen Songs. Und jetzt, wie landet das mit den Leuten in der Gemeinschaft? Ist es für sie spannend?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
What do you feel is the theme, the main difference in terms of how it, like, is it more picture oriented?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und du bist nicht eingeschränkt, weil deine Vorstellung von mir nicht ich ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But know that it was a joke. I don't want Canada to be the 51st state because I might need to live there. But look, you guys, I'm out in it. I've been doing it. I've been hammering this set. I've been tightening it up. I've been overthinking it. My special taping is this Saturday, day after tomorrow, doing two shows. And it's just... incredible how much second guessing I am doing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
So there's sort of a nice boundary there and a respect almost.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Right. That like what is... You know, is relative to your perception of it. And then you can separate yourself from that and kind of be. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah. It's interesting to think about, like, what the... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah. And there's something about like, just, I think the folk tradition in terms of like, that's a perception thing, but you are sort of documenting experience or, or, or journeys of hardship and stuff that, that it's not necessarily self-referential at all.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
You know? So wait, now I want to go back to this, you know, power gym, the power lifting gym. So did you like, did the whole family work there kind of deal?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Like, states? You went to different states to do it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Oh, yeah. The clunky like that had to make the imprint.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
It's almost like, it's not quite like, I don't know why I associate it with wrestling, because it's not really like that, but it seems like the culture is kind of like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But it's also kind of incredible how I've locked into this set and I'm just running it. I did three shows up in Vermont at a small comedy club, Vermont Comedy Club, which is a great place. And they were nice enough to let me run it there. And I just locked into this set, man. And I'm touring now Kathy Ladman, who's very funny. She's been on this show. She's opening for me on these dates.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, it's a powerlifting name. Yeah. Wow. So, wait, so were you powerlifting?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, sure, it seems like a fairly limited scope. I mean, it's like, it's not even a sport necessarily. It's a, what would you call it? It's a competitive thing, but you're doing one thing. You're not playing, there's not a team element.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
That's right. Yeah, yeah. So you were good, huh?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Are you still ripped? No. No, it's gone. When was the last time you put some weights on your shoulders?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Aber ich wette, du hast noch die Form und alles.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Das war sehr plötzlich. Oh, sorry. Ja. Also habt ihr nur einen Bruder? Oder wie viele? Einen Bruder, ja. Und ist er noch im Powerlifting-Racket?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I wonder, he just chose that because of his dad, huh? And he focused on that one thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, that makes sense. And I imagine your brother kind of expanded the gym to include more things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Du gehst rein und denkst dir, das ist nicht richtig für mich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Sie nennen es wahrscheinlich das schreckliche Gym. Wahrscheinlich. An welchem Punkt gravitätierst du auf Musik?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
You're starting to realize powerlifting is not your life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And we were talking about just a whole life of doing these shows. Doing stand up, doing different places, doing stand up, doing, you know, that, you know, she's been around a long time. I've been around a long time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah. So that worked? Yeah. Could have been Bob Seger.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja. Und hast du das gefunden, war da irgendeine Einfluss von der nativen Gemeinschaft, die sich darin befindet, oder warst du davon entfernt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
It's interesting, though, that there was not that many contemporary kind of rock bands and stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And just that the idea of preparing for even like a five minute stand up spot on a TV show, just kind of rendering down whatever it is you do to kind of make sense for five minutes is separate things from. And other bits and, you know, mashing them together. There's this weird part of the job that is not just doing stand-up. And, you know, I'm not the tightest act in the world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Es gibt eine Kollektion, die vielleicht von Numero oder Light in the Attic veröffentlicht wurde. Das ist alles ursprüngliche Native Musik aus den 60ern.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Es ist ziemlich interessant. Und ich bin ein bisschen besessen mit diesem Jussi Ed Davis.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Der Kerl, Mann. Was für ein toller Gitarrenklub. Es gibt zwei solistische Albums von ihm, die wirklich gut sind. Er hat die Wand ziemlich hart geschlagen. Aber er hat das Solo auf Dr. My Eyes gemacht. Jackson Brown. Er ist gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Er hat mit jedem gesungen, Leon Russell, mit Lennon, Harry Nelson, er war wie ein echter Studiolehrer. Sie haben ihm nur eine Biografie veröffentlicht. Also, du hörst Folkmusik und du hast herausgefunden, wie du es selbst spielen kannst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, all you need is four chords, really.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, and when do you... So your influences are primarily the folk records?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Du kannst es dir selbst machen, weil du niemanden anderes benötigst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
So how long did you just play solo? When did you start playing out?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
You weren't going to tackle like visions of Johanna.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I tried, like I play sometimes, you know, I play with some guys sometimes, but we play out and I decided, I'm an okay player, but I decided like, let's do ISIS. Und so in der Mitte des Songes, bin ich nicht so sicher, wie ich singe und spiele. Und ich bin so, wir haben noch eine Hälfte davon. Ich bin so über es. Es ist so, wie wenn du dein Mojo in der Mitte verlierst und du dich zweigestellst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I'm trapped in ISIS. It's a good song, but oh my God. So, but are you building any sort of following at any point?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und wie viele Jahre ist das? In den frühen 2000ern?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But when I gotta tighten it up, I tighten it up. Anyway, how are you guys doing? You alright? Nothing's getting better, but, you know, we're still in it. Today on the show, I have an interesting guest. I'm not sure how I got hip to her. I think it might have been through Lily Gladstone. But I got a record by a native singer-songwriter named Samantha Crane.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Aber an welchem Punkt sagt jemand, lass uns ein Rekord machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Was that the first time you were out of Oklahoma?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und dann musst du den Ferry rausnehmen. Ja. Und dann bist du auf dieser Insel gestanden. Ja, du bist gestanden. Ja, oh ja. Ja. Und du musst dich mit den Inseln beschäftigen. Ja. Richtig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, Martha, ich habe früher ein Gig da draußen gemacht, weil ich in Boston für Jahre gelebt habe. Und du musst das, was ist das? Etwas wie Bluff, wo du das Boot rausnimmst und dann rüberkommst und dann bist du einfach auf der Insel. Aber es ist schön.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ist das nicht so? Ich könnte in Nantucket denken. Martha's Vineyard oder Nantucket, wo sie nicht erlaubt sind, ihre Häuser in verschiedenen Farben zu malen. Ja, sie haben viele seltsame Regeln.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, genau. Wie viele Leute sind in dieser Sache?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
So that's the first time you're playing with other people?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And electric? Were you guys playing real bands? Was there drummers and stuff?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Wie ein Duo. Oh, wirklich? Ja. Was macht sie denn?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Wow. So that got you kind of like that toughened you up, I imagine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
She is from the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma. And it was a very interesting song. in der Art und Weise, wie sie singt. Und die Lyrics, einige von ihnen waren tatsächlich in der nativen Sprache. Aber sie hat auch viel Arbeit in Film und Television gemacht. Sie wurde in Shows wie Reservation Dogs benutzt und sie hat den Score für den Lilly Gladstone Film Fancy Dance komponiert. Und es war interessant.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Das ist so furchtbar, man. Ich weiß. Du würdest das jetzt nie machen. Nein. Ich meine, oh mein Gott.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Du warst so glücklich, dass es nicht zu verdammt war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
So after that, what leads to, you know, the studio? How does it, like how, what brings you the attention to, you know, do a record?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, die Leute lieben diese Leute. Sie lieben sie. Es gibt so viele Stück Musik, die ich verpasst habe. Ich weiß, Judd Apatow hat ein großes Dokumentarfilm über sie gemacht. Ja, und ich bin so, ich kenne diese Leute gar nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Aber es ist ein bisschen wie die Americana-Ilk.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Es fühlt sich so an, als ob du in diese Welt gekommen bist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Das hat wahrscheinlich Sinn gemacht für sie. Du weißt, außer als Frau-Artistin, aber als naturer Artistin und in dieser Art von Musik diese Repräsentation zu haben, war wahrscheinlich, sie waren so, ja, das passt. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But I mean, I thought that first album was good. It sounds good, but you didn't feel like the songs in the night. Oh, wow, okay. But as I listened to the arc of your stuff, I could tell that you were kind of fighting to find your own groove. But I mean, that band sounded pretty good to me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, that happens with music. I mean, I guess there's a roots element to it and it must all come from like... Es fühlt sich fast so an, als hätte es jemand gedacht, denn ich kenne den amerikanischen Weltraum und es scheint aus der Band zu kommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und ich wusste, es wäre eine interessante Geschichte da. Also hatten wir eine schöne Konversation. Ihr letztes Album heißt Gumshoe. Aber ich mag es, zu sprechen. Menschen, die aus einem völlig anderen Hintergrund kommen, als ich. Es ist also eine gute Gelegenheit, darüber zu sprechen, über diese Erfahrung und die Erfahrung außerhalb von mir zu sprechen und zu verstehen und zu engagieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Diese Fähigkeit, all diese grundlegenden amerikanischen Geräusche und Stile in dieses eine Ding zu integrieren, das Blues ist, das Land ist, was auch immer. Aber es gibt auch Künstler, die sich damit befinden. Aber du hast recht, sie können sich nicht als Amerikaner nennen. Aber manche Künstler denken, wenn es Momentum gibt, hinter dieser Idee, dieser Marke, warum sollte man nicht darin sein? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Aber du machst immer noch deine eigenen Songs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it seems like by Kidface you're in you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Weil wenn ich das höre, wie in einigen anderen Rekorden, kann ich eine Durchschnittslinie hören von Leuten, Struktur und Stil und ein paar der Wege, wie du schreibst. Aber auf dem einen war es, weil er mich tötet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Es ist das Beste. Aber ich habe das definitiv in diesem Rekord gehört.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, so verletzter. Ich wurde aufgeregt, als du dich über ihn überrascht hast. Weil es etwas gibt, was er präsent und vorhanden macht, das es manchmal fast schwer ist, zu nehmen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Das ist ein tolles Song. Ich habe das geschrieben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Das ist es, was wir tun. Ich finde, als ich älter wurde, und ich glaube, ich wusste es immer, dass ich nicht groß bin, auf meinen eigenen Geräten oder allein für zu lange. Ich muss definitiv mit Menschen engagieren. You know, you give me four or five hours alone and, you know, look, I can occupy myself, but there's no telling what will go on in my brain.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Auf allen Ebenen. Es ist schwer, es zu erklären, weil ich nicht weiß, dass viele Leute ihn kennen. Sie sollten. Aber ja, ich meine, er war nicht so viel älter als du. Nein, er war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ich meine, er ist in seinen 30ern gestorben, glaube ich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und ich weiß nicht, ich bin zu ihm später gekommen. Ich wusste seine Sachen nicht, weil das Label, welches Label war es?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, Secretly Canadian. Er hat mir Rekorde gesendet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und sie haben mir das Rekord von Magnolia Electric Company mit Farewell Transmission gesendet. Und ich war so, was zur Hölle ist das? Und dann musst du zurückgehen und dann bist du in dem Mannsgeist, der so schwer und wunderschön ist. Und es sind nicht nur die Worte, es gibt bestimmte Performer, die etwas in ihrer Stimme haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
where you can feel the weight of it, of whatever they're going through. And, you know, Townes Van Zandt has that to a degree, where you listen to it and you're like, there's a sadness here that is like... Unfathomable in a way. And with those kind of performers, I can only listen to it. You've got to prepare yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I mean, oddly, I can't even listen to Brian Wilson. And that's pretty upbeat stuff, but he's so troubled. And I can feel that. I don't know what that resonates, why that resonates. I tend to think that it's because I have a slightly depressive father. So there's a neural pathway in my mind that lives there. And then when someone can be in it, but kind of bring it up, it hits me very hard.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, ich glaube, das ist es. Und es ist so spezifisch. Und ich denke, das ist eine interessante Sache über Kunst im Allgemeinen, dass so viele von uns, und sogar, weil ich, weißt du, die Art, wie ich was mache, ist ziemlich spezifisch und es muss mit der Person resonieren. Leute, die mit dem verbinden werden. Aber es ist schwer zu erkennen, dass es nicht jeder ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Denn es gibt einen Teil von dir, der sagt, ich will, dass meine Sachen für alle sind. Und dann, an einem bestimmten Punkt, musst du einfach sagen, ich helfe diesen Leuten. Weil es ein Hilfe-Element gibt. Richtig?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And then sometimes it just kind of, you know, kind of starts chipping away at my very sense of self. And sometimes I don't know who I am until I'm seen and engaged with another person. And then I'm like, oh, here I am. Thank God I was drifting. So as I said, we're coming up on the end of the tour here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
It's kind of a weighty... There's a heaviness to it. But, you know, I'm 61. And to really accept, you know, that there is a... Not limitations, but, you know, once you get to that place where you are who you are, I mean, you know, if you're not happy there because of... Ja, und es ist nicht schlecht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Aber seit Jahren war ich einfach so, und du hast gesehen, was ich tue, ich war einfach so, warum liebt nicht jeder das? Ja. I mean, doesn't everybody experience what I'm experiencing? And they don't. They don't. And, you know, the people that do kind of lock in in a way where it hits them differently than the people that are like looking at you like some totally different thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
They don't understand it, but they're like, all right, they're getting laughs. But the angle is sort of like, well, she's a little sad or he's got some problems. But it was entertaining. But then there are other people that are like, oh, thank God I'm not alone in this stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
So, but when you talk about the community, like what is the reaction in generally your experience with all the different, you know, tribes that you deal with in terms of performing and whatever? I mean, I think... They must be excited.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
There's only two more shows and that's for my HBO special taping this Saturday in Brooklyn, New York at the Bam Harvey Theater. Two shows, 7 p.m. and 9.30. I don't know if there are tickets, but there may be. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour or bam.org for tickets. Oh mein Gott, Leute. What a long journey this has been. My whole fucking life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But you still got to play to the masses a little bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Right, but I just, I imagine not unlike, you know, just, you know, having a voice from that community is representation in a way where, like, you know, we're still moving forward. We still have who we are, whether it's English or not. I think I talked about that with Sterling and stuff. I read something somewhere that he had said something to you about activism. Do you remember?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, he said, because we weren't supposed to be alive.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah. Good job. Good. Well, so, like, coming into, like, so, with Small Death, that, that was du als Portal für dich warst, genau wie du es wolltest. Warum dieses Rekord? Was hat dich dazu gebracht?
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Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
What happened? Were you on a highway or in a...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
It never happened to me, but I'm always scared of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Genau, weil Keith Richards sagt, dass das Open G Tuning magisch ist. Weil wenn du diese Open Strings hast, ist der Eindruck völlig anders.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And I swear to God, when I start talking about my past personally and my past professionally, I've got to learn how to sit in the gratitude a bit. Because honestly, it's a fucking miracle that not only did I land on my feet, but I'm doing okay. And I've kind of made the arc of whatever success was given to me. Because yes, certainly I kept pushing and I kept trying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But that's so amazing because like if you write like that, as opposed to like, you know, writing on paper or sitting with a guitar and trying to, you know, or if you already have a melody or some chords, I don't know how you do it generally. But the connection to yourself when you're just sort of like, it's just like, this is, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
No, what I usually do is I think. And then... Step one is I think and then like if I make a connection in my head or I have a different way of looking at something, you know, I'll just I'll make note of it. And it's not a joke per se, but I know there's a turn there if it's not a story, you know, that you
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Für mich ist es normalerweise so, dass ich eine Idee habe, aber die meiste von mir entwickelt sich im Alltag auf der Bühne. Es ist so, als würde ich mich umgekoppelt fühlen. Ich habe einen Ort, an dem ich gehen möchte, und dann beginne ich einfach zu gehen. Ich hoffe, dass das Teil meines Gehirns, das Dinge lustig macht, sich einsteigt und mich von Enttäuschung retten kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, that's the whole thing. That is the edge of it. And then over time they kind of evolve. You know, like... Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's sort of built into something because I had this. Because I'm pretty heavy. It can be pretty heavy, a lot of that stuff. And I'm riding this edge. But I knew I had to address the political situation. And that has a different tone to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
And then I got it in my head. It's like, all right, dude, you've established that. So now, can you just be entertaining? Can you just, these people just like, let's just go. I mean, you've been doing this a long time. Nothing has to be, it doesn't have to all be so heavy. So that cat thing was just sort of this gift. And the way it kind of built out, you know, people, it's just hilarious.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Not only can you hold it, but... You have to. You have to, but it also shows that you as a person... It's a broad spectrum. And sometimes I think that's a liability for me because I have a fairly... It's not just a big personality, but I have a lot of different wavelengths that I go on. And anytime you can engage as many of those as possible, I think it's a good thing as an expressive person.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Because when you get locked into that thing that you said you were fighting with, that there no are or is... dass wenn du dich in einer bestimmten Art und Weise siehst, und dann wirst du in diese Richtung eingelassen, dann wirst du eine Box werden, und du bekommst keine Chancen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und wenn du Songs machst, wenn du dich mit deiner Persönlichkeit auseinandersetzen willst, denke ich, das ist das Beste. Aber manche Leute wollen einfach in die Richtung gehen und sagen, mach das einfach. Mach mich einfach traurig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Sie macht das, er macht das. Und dann, wenn du diese Leute kennst, und du sagst, ich weiß nicht, worüber du sprichst. Ja. Weil, oh, Maren ist ein kranker Typ. Ich sage, nein, ich bin nicht. Ich bin nicht, du weißt, das Art von Sachen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ja, oder das ist eine Teil von mir. Ja. Aber, weißt du, ich bin ziemlich exklusiv. Yeah, but that's if they can't fit you into a box or you don't box yourself, it becomes sort of trickier to sell and then you've got to just do it on your own.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But it was elusive for many years. And then somehow or another, cosmic change. Timing sort of occurred and things shifted and I did all right. I feel like I'm on the other side of it. I'm still doing all right. But I feel like, you know, whatever my journey was to get to whatever peak I was supposed to get to, I might have hit it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
So once you, when you put out Small Death, um, And you got your hands back after?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But how did that inform the new record, Gumshoe? How did that, like what you did with Small Debt? Because like I just, I did a movie and there's a book. It's about Bruce Springsteen making Nebraska.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und er war in der Mitte, die Songs für Born in the USA zu machen. Und dann hatte er diese Art von existenziellen Krisen. Und er hat sich in einem verkauften Haus in New Jersey gehalten, mit einer Gitarre und einem Vortrack. Und er hat Nebraska gemacht. Weißt du den Rekord?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
So and and he became obsessed with the sound that he got on the cassette. And after they tried to do the songs in the studio, he's like, no, I need the cassette. I want that to be it. And there was no way to translate the transfer. But but the journey of having of him having this Er musste das Rekord machen, und es ist ein dunkler Rekord.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und er kommt daraus, und er wurde in den USA geboren, aber er musste sich fast ausüben. Und ich glaube, es hat seine anderen Sachen informiert, oder es hat ihm eine andere Art und Weise gegeben, sich zu expressieren. Hast du das gefunden? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Right, right. You can collaborate, but you're not out of control.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, Ariana Grande talked about that, that she always sort of knew what she wanted. And she's working with big, you know, kind of pop machines. But it always comes back to her. It comes down to her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, yeah, she's something. Yeah, but that confidence, like, collaboration is a beautiful thing, and you can find things that you wouldn't have found on your own.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I mean, hopefully I can stay on this plateau that the peak is at for a little while. But even if I don't, I have to acknowledge that what a long, strange, fucked up trip it's been. For real. I mean, you know, talking to Kathy in the car about comedy and about my life, I'm like, what the fuck? It's like I've lived four, five, six lives. Maybe I'm like a cat. Maybe I've only got a few more.
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Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
You know, so how did you make Gumshoe? Who was it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, yeah, not let yourself be erased, you know, have boundaries and show up for stuff and not just be taken advantage of all that stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Right, but you don't choose to do that. It just happens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Reel this in. Yeah, for sure. But I mean, once you learn how to have some of those boundaries and let those vulnerabilities out in a way that you can handle it. What you do learn is like, you've taken a lot of shit. And so you can kind of Get a boundary, you know? It's hard. So that's what Gumshoe sort of comes from?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I don't know which life I'm in. Maybe my seventh. But man, just even being up in this area, it's crazy. It's crazy having been a touring one-nighter comic, and God knows I've talked about this before, up in this area, just even in Vermont. In Vermont, just walking around Burlington. It's beautiful in Vermont. We're right on that lake. What is it? Champlain? Gorgeous.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Weil das scheint, als wäre ich bereit, ein Leben zu finden. Ja, ja. Es ist so, ich muss, ja, ich will...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm here, I'm a grown up, and there's things I kind of want. Yeah. And I have to be ashamed of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I don't know. Maybe, are they cheaper or more expensive? I mean, sometimes when these horrible times happen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Das ist, was du denkst, was sie denkt. Und was du denkst, was sie beurteilt. Meistens, wenn du denkst, dass jemand über dich denkt, sind sie einfach in ihrem eigenen Welt. Weil wir alle sind. Ja, genau. Aber der Rekord ist großartig. Und ich bin froh, dass du mir einen Vinyl gebracht hast. Ja. Aber bevor wir es abschließen, wie hast du dich mit Fancy Dance involviert?
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Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
We just... Scoring is different than just writing songs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But it's so drenched in weird, traumatic, early comedy memories that there's always a slight edge to it. There's always a slight darkness to it that is generated from within me. Von meinem seltsamen, verletzten Körper kommen diese verdammten Erinnerungen. Es ist wild, etwas Schönes zu sehen und einen kleinen Schmerz der Dunkelheit zu haben. Und du denkst dir, oh ja, oh ja, ich erinnere mich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
There you go. Samantha's new album Gumshoe is available now. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Well, that makes me happy to hear. I'm glad that I've impressed you and that you're proud of me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Boomer lives. Monkey in La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Es gab früher, als ich nach Vermont gekommen bin, ein paar Dates, wie eine Serie, eine Strecke von Dates in den Ski-Ären. I remember traveling up there with my girlfriend, who became my first wife. I think it was probably before we were married. And doing a show at a place called Mother Shapiro's in Killington. And the guy who owned the place was kind of crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
There was a bunch of locals at the bar that were looking at my girlfriend, all weird and creepy. And I don't even remember the show or how I got through it. Ich glaube, es gab noch einen anderen Gag. Es war an einem Ort namens B-Made Denny's. Ich bin vielleicht völlig falsch darüber. Ich erinnere mich an das Show mit Steve Baliga, der früher eine Walter Brennan-Impression machte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ich kann dir nicht sagen, welches Jahr es war. Es muss 1989 gewesen sein. Ist das möglich? Auch damals wusste ich nicht, wer Walter Brennan war, um die Impression zu bekommen. Ich weiß nicht, was mit Steve Baliga passiert ist. Ein schöner Kerl. But I remember Kim and I, my girlfriend at the time, we used to kind of do one of Steve's lines driving through Vermont on the road.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Broadcasting from a room in a building that was built in the 1700s in what was once an attic. A building with a very colorful history that I'm not entirely sure of. I could do some reading, but it's not a bed and breakfast exactly. It's an inn.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Because he used to do this thing like in between jokes. Like he'd just go driving, driving, driving.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
driving driving driving and it was just this repetition it didn't really i don't even know if it was what it was attached to initially but uh and i just remember we used to do that and i remember stopping at a state liquor store and buying a a large bottle of jägermeister that came with glasses a gift box because that's who i was i was like hey baby let's uh let's stop at the state liquor store and get some juice
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und ich denke, das hat uns näher gekommen. Ich denke so. Und ich war früher ein bisschen besessen mit der Jägermeister für einen Moment. Schreckliche Sachen, aber es hat dich irgendwo genommen. Und es war so, als hätte es 900 Zutaten und es war aus einem Monasterium. Ich dachte nur, es waren mystische Flur-Schwebungen, die dieses Likor gemacht haben. Und ja, erstaunliche Sachen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und Burlington, Vermont, die Front, das war eine große College-Bar. Ich erinnere mich daran, dass ich da mit Dave Cross gearbeitet habe. Und einfach, du weißt, trank und was auch immer. Ich kann mich nicht mehr erinnern, wo sie uns aufgenommen haben. Ich fühle mich, als wäre es in der Rückseite des Stadions, wenn das überhaupt möglich ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Und dann gab es das Ort Nektar, wo man die Turkey-Sandwiches bekommt. Ich habe mit Trey Anastasio darüber gesprochen, weil sie von dort kamen. But none of those experiences really stand out of my mind as great. It was just part of this miserable process that's gotten me here to this place. I'm definitely less miserable. I'm grateful I'm still alive. I feel like my brain is turning into mush.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I think it's just because I'm kind of stuffing down the stress of what has to happen in the next couple of days. Got one more show tonight here at the music hall. And Es gibt einen Teil meines Gehirns, der sagt, kein Problem, aber der andere Teil, irgendwo innerhalb von mir, macht mein Gehirn ein bisschen schmutzig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Ich denke, vielleicht passiert etwas Schlimmeres, aber ich schätze, es ist nur der Stress, der sich in anderen Wegen manifestiert. Yes. So look, it's getting nice outside. That means you'll want to spend some more time out of your home, which means you should have some home security in place for all the times you're not there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
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Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Yeah, New England. New England, folks. So pretty. It's a good time of year. I actually, the last time I was in Vermont, it was during a massive blizzard. And it's fucking, what is it, May? And I gotta fly from Toronto to Vermont. I don't know if I told you this. And all I'm thinking about is snow. And there's no snow. I can't get my brain around not thinking the worst. Oh, you didn't know this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Did you? I left my computer at TSA, at border security in Toronto. Fucking unbelievable. I don't know what's going on. I don't do this stuff. I don't lose shit. I don't leave shit. I can't explain it other than usually with TSA, if you have TSA... They never make you take your computer out anymore. That's one of the big perks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
I'm in... Portsmouth. Portsmouth, New Hampshire. And apparently this used to be the house of a ship captain. And then it was owned by a woman who made clothing. And then some other stuff. YWCA for a while. I don't know. But it was built... A long time ago in the 1700s and renovated and now I'm in it. And it's beautiful. There's a lot of history here and I kind of feel it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
But in Canada, coming back into the States, they made me take the computer out and put it in a tray. And I just grabbed my bags and I didn't put the computer back in. So it's just sitting there at security in Toronto at Pearson Airport. And I didn't notice until I was on the plane from Detroit to Burlington. I flew to Detroit, didn't need my computer, didn't notice it gone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Then I'm on the plane, I reach in and I'm like, you gotta be fucking kidding me. God damn it. And that feeling of losing either a phone or a computer. It's just so crazy because it's almost like half your brain. It's like your whole life. It's like everything that makes you you is somehow in that thing. And there's a panic to it. And I just was like, you've got to be kidding me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
How am I going to get that back? Am I ever going to get it back? What's on there? And how do I even proceed with this? Do I call? Do I have to be on the phone with somebody because it's just a MacBook? Am I going to have to tell some random...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
security border guy in toronto my password so we can prove that it's mine i mean just the spiraling and then i texted my computer guy and he's like yeah don't worry about it it's just let's just get a new one in new york i'm like what and it's like yeah you backed it up right so it's all in the cloud you'll get it all back and i remember this being the case when i
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1641 - Samantha Crain
Spilt some soda on my last one, but there is something about it just floating out there, just a hard drive or whatever they are now, just out there. But I guess there's the same feeling of it being up in the cloud or down in the cloud, in a cloud mill somewhere. ein Datenmüll, aber ohnehin fühlt es sich wie ein Abenteuer an.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Talked for a minute. He was so sweet. He was, and he was on the set of the movie the whole time. Oh, wow. I didn't have a big part, but anytime they said cut, I could just go talk to Bruce. How will it be as a motion picture? Good question.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
My question about it is really, I mean, the story is compelling about trying to get this sound and his tortured nature at that time, trying to get that sound and then eventually getting that sound. But is that a, you know, is that going to, is that story something regular people are going to be engaged with? And I guess enough people love Springsteen that maybe they will. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Your new record's fucking great, buddy. I appreciate you saying that. I really love it. Like, there's a couple of songs on there. The Breathing Song. Oh yeah, sometimes it's hard to breathe. Yeah, love that one. Thank you. And I like the gun song. Yeah, right on. Do you feel like elated or destroyed?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Exalted or destroyed. Yeah. So when you're writing that, do you feel like, are you like, yes, exalted or destroyed? Because the poetry, I have to assume you're writing constantly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
But how does it work for you? Because it's all, you know, you've sort of maintained this relatively haunting but elated tone for a long time. And they must all come from the same place, which is your heart and mind. Yeah. But you don't, you know, you don't carry a little notebook around.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Yeah, like this. Yeah. And you just scribble things?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
He's also an actor who's been in movies like The Bike Riders, Wendy and Lucy and Old Joy, but also Mate One. Remember John Sayles and Will Oldham as a kid actually played the child preacher in that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
But things don't just all of a sudden come, a little noodle, a little riff, a little turn of phrase, and you write it down on the plane and you're like, can't trust that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und es ist etwas, das organisch passiert und du es änderst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
And it's a performance that before I never I found out that he was that guy years later after I knew about or I'd heard about or listened to Bonnie Prince Billy, because that role when he was a kid as that preacher kid was haunting and intense and and menacing. Er ist ein fundamentaler Teil dieses Films.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und das ist vor Pop-Country. Old school Nashville.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Yeah, they were making pop country, but as opposed to the layers of sound, three or four producers, let's bring a R&B guy in to lay down a beat. Yeah. No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Die Leute werden es immer noch als ein Country-Rekord kennen. Es muss die Produktion gewesen sein. Es gibt ein paar Songs... Aber Ferg sagte, er wollte kein Country-Rekord machen. Nein, aber es gibt ein paar Songs, die strukturell ein Country-Rekord sind. Und dann gibt es noch andere Sachen. Ich glaube, die Gun-Song klingt so, als hätte sie einen Leonard-Cohen-Gypsy-Groove. Das ist interessant.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Er sagte, wenn er die Lieder hörte, dass er das als Polka machen muss. Aber ich glaube, es war nur eine Produktion, weil auch mit den späteren Steve Earle-Rekorden, er spielt nicht unbedingt Landmusik, aber er ist ein Landmann. Ich glaube, ja. Ja, ein bisschen. Ja. Aber deine Entscheidung, es so zu machen, war, dass du die Nashville-Regel machen wolltest?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Einen ganzen Erfindungsprozess, ja. Because your control is limited to like, well, this is how I play it, this is the words. And then these guys, they get their charts done and they pass them out and you're like, what's going to happen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und er ist, ich weiß nicht, ich habe ihn darüber gesprochen, ich kann mich nicht erinnern, wie alt er war, aber wahrscheinlich unter 20, weißt du. Und es war, es war, es war bemerkenswert. Aber jetzt ist Bonnie Prinze Billie einer dieser Leute, die nicht wie einige andere Drag City Künstler, das Label. who just are very prolific, put out a lot of work. And a lot of it is great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Das ist interessant, denn das ist der Grund, warum die Leute da hinbekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Aber die Idee, dass man in einer Musikstadt ist, die seine eigene Geschichte hat. Und Legacy ist nicht wie L.A., wo sie alles machen. Ich meine, Nashville macht Nashville. Und es gibt diese Leute, die sagen, ja, ich kann dir genau das, was du bildest, oder was du in deinem Kopf hörst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
That's fucking amazing. But when you start, let's go through a little history, because I know that you don't do much acting anymore. No. And at some point you just turned on it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja, du kannst es sehen. Und die Part, die du gespielt hättest. Ja. But early on, where'd you grow up? In Kentucky? In Louisville, Kentucky. I'm gonna be there. Do you live there? Yeah. Are you doing a movie? No, I'm doing a comedy. Cool. Where at? Good question. Is that where the Baumhart Theater is? Yes. I'm at the Baumhart. Oh, that's a beautiful room. That's a pretty decent hip city.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
But what was your experience growing up there? I mean, you can do that. No, it's squeaks. Oh, yeah. Was your family in the arts?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
I don't even know how you'd really classify Will. I guess there's a folk element, but he's not beyond doing kind of rock-ish records. And he's not beyond collaborating with people from other types of music. And he's quite the artist, this guy. And I was a little... I don't know if I was nervous... Ja, genau. Er und Matt Sweeney haben den tollen Superwolf-Rekord gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Sie hat einfach ihr Kunstwerk gemacht. Was für ein Medium?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
You know what's amazing about that record? I gotta give that a listen again, and the color of that record, you can find it immediately. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
But also it seems like, you know, one way to sort of combat either darkness or depression is to enter it into the world in a creative way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Das ist interessant, weil es fast so ist, dass ich dich wissen muss, dass das passiert ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Oh, also sie hat es spezifisch für den Cover gemacht. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Like this sort of... Die Symbiosis von deiner Vision für deine Musik und deiner Moms Kunst, das macht einfach keinen Sinn.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Wie jede Bilder von mir wäre ein Bild von meinem Vater gewesen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Also, wenn du anfängst zu spielen, ist Musik das erste Ding? Oh, so it's like a second movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Das ist, was Schauspieler tun sollen. Ich habe recently gelernt, ich hatte einen großen Unterschied, wie ich es anschaue, oder wie ich es verstehe. Wenn du über Kunst oder das oder das denkst, You just think in terms of like, how do I do this? And for some reason, it wasn't until I talked to Pacino, and this was like a couple months ago. Yeah, that'd be fun. It was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
And I read his book, and he's a kooky guy, and a very shy guy, and life gets away from him. But the idea of acting was really for him, it was an artistic pursuit of truth. Uh-huh. And I don't know that I really thoroughly looked at it like that. That what you're honoring, whatever you think, okay, you can be like, I know I can be in the moment and listen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
But the other side of it is, you honor the truth of that moment. And what you're going for is the truth of a story or the truth of a character. And it just blew my brain open. I don't even know why I didn't think that way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Sie sehen Dinge anders, ja. Aber letztendlich, wie du es vorhin gesagt hast, über die Musik, hast du keine Kontrolle über diese Partie. All you can do is be, you know, engaged and authentic in your work and then you've done your job. I mean, you can't, there's nothing you're going to do that's going to make the audience, you know, you can't think in terms of them all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ich hatte die Bonny-Prince-Billy-Rekorde schon. Ich habe sie hier und da gelesen. Aber der Superwolf-Rekord hat mir wirklich aufgefallen. Ich habe mit Sweeney darüber gesprochen. Dann bin ich aber in Will und Bonny-Prince-Billy-Rekorde angefangen. Es gibt viele lyrisch und musikalisch wunderschöne Arbeiten mit vielen verschiedenen Musikern. Als mir die Gelegenheit kam, mit ihm zu sprechen, I did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
No, no, they're a part of the experience. But, I mean, do you find yourself over the arc of 30 records or however many you've done, you know, playing, knowing you're playing to your audience always? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und ich glaube, was ich sage, ist ein bisschen falsch, in dem Sinne, dass über die Zeit, wenn du authentisch bist, dein Publikum weiß, was zu erwarten ist und du weißt, und sie wollen sich in das engagieren. Du musst dich nicht erinnern, du musst nicht denken, ich muss den Rekord genau wie der letzte Rekord machen. Aber nach einem bestimmten Punkt ist deine Stimme, was sie bringt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Yeah, I mean, like now, like I know that over time, you know, somehow or another, my audience are they're grownups. Yeah, they're sensitive. They're probably aggravated. Yeah, they're politically like minded. Yeah. And they find some sort of relief or release or comfort in what I do. Und das ist in den letzten fünf Jahren, weil ich ein alter Mann bin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und das ist das andere an Kunst, dass man nicht wirklich fühlt, dass man alt ist. Und an einem Punkt denkst du dir, mein Publikum ist über 40. Und das ist okay. Weil es gibt Ideen wie, wo sind die Kinder? Wie komme ich nicht cool?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
I don't look forward to going to anyone's house. But I understand what you're saying. Do you get a lot of that where you get emails through whatever the outlet is and they're like, oh, you're going to be in my town. Do you need a place to sleep? And I'm like, what? No. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Oh mein Gott, ich bin so traurig, dass ich nicht mehr zu Moral Life Shows gehe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
I had this conversation that you'll hear today. And it's a very it's pro art. It's pro self-expression. It's pro poetry. It's pro finding your voice in what you do. It's pro community. It's all those things that are. that we still have to believe are important to maintain humanity and civilization the best we can. Communicating through expression and art and engagement. Can you dig it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Wow. Ja. Und das für dich, das Arch of that, of having loved him as a kid and then to have that relationship with him is just beautiful. And there's something about him that is so specific and unique and honest and earnest. And so, like, there's a childlike... No, yeah, nobody has. And he seems to hold on to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
In einer spirituellen Art. Gibt es auch ein bisschen Flamenco?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Das ist mehr präzise. Ich hörte einen anderen Tag, Ravi Shankar, weil ich jemanden zu Ravi Shankar gedreht habe. Und es war der erste Rekord von 1958, in dem er die Musik erklärt. and the structure of the music. And I hadn't listened to that in forever. And it really sets you up to be like, okay, here we go. So that's the kind of night you spend with Jonathan Richman.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Well, they're scales, but there's also a very specific structure that you're going to build to this thing. Yeah, the scales are the scales. So that's what his sets are like. The destination is this Und dann kommst du ein bisschen runter. Und dann endest du ungefähr auf den gleichen Noten, mit denen du angefangen hast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ich glaube, ja. Also, während du Theater tust, hörst du Jonathan Richman und die Modern Lovers auf dem ersten Rekord?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
So this is after he's almost exercised some of that Velvet Underground from him. Fully, fully, fully. Which he did very early on, yeah. Then when you're doing the acting, when do you start playing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Das ist interessant, weil jetzt die Leute das hören. Und wie man über Punk denkt, muss man an der Zeit spezifisch sein. Denn es war wirklich ein Umbruch-Term für alles, was künstlich ist. Mike Watt hat mich auf das recht gelegt. Was Punk geworden ist oder was die Leute denken, ist nicht das, was es wirklich angefangen hat. Ja. So like what you're talking about is what, like the late 70s?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
So you got a lot of people, some people doing performance art, some people are doing body art, some people are doing soundscapes, other people are doing audiovisual things, that kind of stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Well, I remember like, because, you know, I worked at a restaurant across from the university, so I was tapped into all that age group and this would have been in the early 80s, right? And this guy that worked at the record store next door, he played in a band that played two times a year called Jungle Red. And it was just him and this other guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
And they're on stage, you know, in operating scrubs. And he's got a, you know, he wanted to borrow this Ibanez Westpaw copy I had. And I said, sure, if you need a guitar. But then he ended up just taping a doll's arm to it Und in der Mitte des Shows hat er seine Kollektion von original McCoy Fiesta-Wear genommen und hat sie mit einem Hammer auf die Mikrofone geschlagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Can you dig it? It's a good conversation. I'm glad we met. He actually came out to see me down in Louisville when I was there, because that's where he lives. Him and his wife and some friends. They're kind of like... Rural Groovy. You know what I mean? Tonight I'm in Oklahoma City at the Tower Theater. Tomorrow night I'm in Dallas at the Majestic Theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und ich erinnere mich nur, dass die Hälfte der Publikation Gay-Männer war. Und sie hörten wirklich die Fiesta-Wear-Teile von McCoy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Lost, but also you know you... Wenn du darauf gravitate, weißt du, dass die Herausforderung vorhanden ist. Du weißt, dass die Herausforderung für dich immer vorhanden ist. Ja, aber auch, dass du von der Mainstream-Musik verpummelst wirst, was du magst. Aber du merkst, dass etwas anderes da draußen ist. Ich wurde von Fred Frith und den Residenzen geändert und dachte mir, was zur Hölle?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Saturday I'm in Houston at the White Oak Music Hall. And Sunday I'm in San Antonio at the Empire Theater. Then Durham, North Carolina. I'll be at the Carolina Theater of Durham on Friday, March 21st. Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm at the Knight Theater on Saturday, March 22nd. And I'll be in Charleston, South Carolina at the Charleston Music Hall on Sunday, March 23rd.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Yeah, exactly, when I graduated high school. That was a crazy role, dude. It was a crazy role. I mean, what, the child preacher? Yeah. It was like, it was jarring. Like, I remember seeing that movie, and I kind of remember what it was about, but I remember you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Lock the gate! I'm dealing. I'm doing okay today. I try to stay engaged, entertained, self-aware. I try to allot myself about, not even intentionally, about, I don't know, two to three hours of relentless catastrophic thinking and panic a day. And then I actually exhaust myself and it frees me up to do other things. I don't know if that's a healthy process or spiritual or practical.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Dude, I had one of the weirdest nights in my life in Nashville.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Then I'm coming to Illinois, Michigan, Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire and New York City for my special taping. Go to WTFpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. All right. So, what's going on? You guys watching the shows? Are you watching the shows? Are you watching the White Lotus? Are you watching the Severance?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
I came to him later, and I read the poems, and I listened to the records, and I found them brilliant and interesting. And I wanted to do a conversation with him. And we had reached out a couple of times. And then he comes to my show in Nashville with his then girlfriend or wife. Wife, Cassie. Yeah, Cassie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und dann nachher gehen wir in dieses Restaurant und ich verspreche Gott, wir sind die Einzigen, die da sind. Und es ist um 11.30 Uhr am Abend und er erzählt mir seine Lebensgeschichte. Wir waren da für etwa zwei Stunden über dieses fast, es war schmerzhaft, weil es alles um dieses fast, was er sah, als eine mythische Kampf mit seinem Vater. Ja, mein Gott, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und wie das, du weißt, ihn beschädigt hat. Und er wollte nicht auf den Mikrofonen sprechen, aber die Geschichte war schrecklich und tragisch, dass er so ein Typ war, der nicht aus dem Untergrund rauskommen konnte. Und offensichtlich endete es sehr schlecht. Und wir hatten geemailt, bevor er passierte. Und ich hatte keine Ahnung. Und dann sah ich Sweeney und In New York.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und es war traurig, weil es niemanden überrascht hat. Ja. Dass er sein eigenes Leben verbracht hat. Dass er so überrascht hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja. Aber okay, also wenn du mit Drag City beginnst, ich meine, wir werden natürlich nicht auf jeden Rekord kommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Aber bist du noch okay mit Drag City? Ich denke so, ja. Ich habe mich an sie geworfen, weil sie meinen Comedy-Rekord nicht rausgeben würden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja, sie sagten, dass sie mich auf ihrem anderen Label rausgeben würden. Was auch immer das ist. Könnte es vielleicht C-Note sein? Ich weiß es nicht. Und ich war so, nein, ich will nicht... Ja. But look, I listen to their artists. So that's where you start the career. You wanted to do a 7-inch, and the music is just stuff you're putting together without any real guidance.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Also war es ein kollaborativer Versuch mit einigen Leuten, mit denen du gelten konntest. Und wenn es fertig war, war es fertig. Ja. Und dann hast du dann letztendlich entschieden, noch nicht wirklich unter deinem eigenen Namen zu recordieren, weil du diese Anonymität haben wolltest?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Or am I kind of pigeonholing myself into a bubble of people that watch those shows? I don't know what everybody watches, but I also rewatched A Face in the Crowd. If you got Criterion, again, is this a bubble? Am I in a bubble of people that do this? A Face in the Crowd is on Criterion Channel. Now this is a, I believe it's a Bud Schulberg script. It's Ilya Kazan directing and it's Andy Griffith
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Es gibt so viele Künstler auf diesem Rekord. Und du arbeitest mit vielen. So viele. Ja, es ist eine interessante Sache, weil es nicht viele Leute gibt, die das tun. Ich meine, Dylan macht das. Und alles ist ein kollaborativer Versuch mit neuen Stimmen und neuen Künstlern. Ja. Und das war sozusagen das Ziel. Yeah. You honor that goal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Learning, absolutely. And evolving all different things. You get something new out of yourself when you're in relation with other people. Every time. Every time. But ultimately, what's interesting is that... Weil viel davon ist, was du schreibst, gibt es eine Durchschnittslinie zu deiner Sicht und deiner Vision.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und wo auch immer das herkommt, das ist dein Geschäft, aber du vertreibst es, es auf die Ecke zu bringen, ein bisschen wie schmerzhafte Poesie, aber dann wirst du guff. Und Proprietät. Ja. Ja. Oh, in Bezug auf, ja. Ja. Aber du wirst guff werden. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und das erste Rekord, das eine signifikante, kritische Aufmerksamkeit bekam, war »I See a Darkness«? I don't even know what that means. Well, I mean, I really don't. I guess maybe not critical attention, but it was... enough to where people cover your songs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
So within the community, and I guess that's another benefit of working with all different artists, is that people are like, do you know this guy, or you should work with this guy, and have you heard this song by this guy? And then other people cover the stuff. To me, outside of critical recognition, if somebody plays your fucking song, that's a big deal. Big deal, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Du denkst dir, oh mein Gott. Und dann hörst du diese Interpretation. Ich meine, nicht jeder bekommt Johnny Cash, um eine Song zu veröffentlichen. Das ist die Wahrheit. Ich weiß nicht, wie das passiert ist. Weißt du?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja, genau. Aber das ist es, was Sweeney in den Ruben-Zirkel gebracht hat, oder Superwolf?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
But it's so wild, because whatever you started as, which was, I guess, kind of... Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
From the Andy Griffith Show. You know, if you've ever watched reruns of that, I don't know how old you are. I mean, I never saw it originally. It's really old, but he's he was just sort of a all shucks guy, you know, on the sheriff. And Don Knotts was on there and a little Ron Howard.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und wenn du diese Erfahrung machst, ich weiß nicht, wie die meisten deiner Rekorde gehen, aber natürlich ist die nationalen Erfahrungen sehr anders, aber wenn du mit einer Gruppe von Leuten einsteigst, ist es einfach so, dass du täglich, jeden Tag, für Wochen, Tage, etwas bekommst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
And it was kind of a nice, simple life, kind of, you know, you know, kind of goofy, but but not menacing, but a face in the crowd. is one of the best movies about show business ever. And specifically about the sort of megalomaniacal celebrity and the impact of that. It was a different culture and certainly a different business in the way it operated back then. But the movie...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Because that... That role in Old Joy. Old Joy, yeah. That's great. Yeah, it was a great experience. Your character was a slightly disturbing character. Yes. But the weird thing is, is that if you run in the circles that we run in at that time, you know that guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
The one at the fire? What was the other guy? There's the two guys, the friends.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Well, the part of Kurt is like, you know, that guy who's just a little too old to be in that mindset. Yeah. It's a tragic but very specific character. And, you know, if you are in art worlds or around those people, everyone knows that, one of those guys. Yeah. And it just doesn't end well for them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Not only do I know this guy, but I could be becoming this guy. So when does that change? When do you realize that you're not that guy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Oh, das ist interessant. Also hast du eine Art Disziplin für dich gelernt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
It's menacing Griffith. It's evil Griffith. It's Griffith, Andy Griffith, the human monster that you understand and get. So the character is genius. You got to watch it. I told Nate Bargetzi to watch it because I think he'd enjoy it. It's funny because I was talking to Nate and I was like, you like Andy Griffith? He's like, of course, I love Andy Griffith.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
It's only by somehow... And surround yourself with people who are...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Welches Album war das? The Letting Go. Oh mein Gott. Also in Bezug auf, weil ich denke, es ist wichtig, weil ich es nicht sprechen kann, aber vielleicht kannst du es, wenn du es willst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Weil du so einen wichtigen Katalog hast, und ich glaube, viele Leute, die das hören, wissen es vielleicht nicht, außer wenn sie den neuen Rekord bekommen, und vielleicht das, ich sehe einen dunklen Rekord, inzwischen, was würdest du sagen, sind die wichtigen Rekorde für dich? Ja, ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
I'm like, you ever seen evil Andy Griffith? Well, I want Nate to watch it just because there's a moral lesson in it about show business. Look at where this can go when you get huge. I guess it was a little passive-aggressive, but I think it was a friendly and honest thing to do. But I would recommend that movie to anybody while it's out, because it's not...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Er ist ein Genie, oder? Ja, und die Urgenz des Lockdowns ist nichts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
I mean, more so than in 2019. Sure. And now there's this fascistic pushback, which oddly I think the new record speaks to in its way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja. Nun, es war toll, mit dir zu sprechen, Mann. Toll, mit dir zu sprechen. Ich denke, wir haben es gut gemacht. Wir haben es gut gemacht. Wir haben es gut gemacht. Ja. Da bist du. Tolle Rede. Habt es genossen. Habt es genossen. Das neue Bonny Prince Billy Album, The Purple Bird, ist jetzt raus. Haltet euch einen Moment, Leute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Hey, listen, over the years we've had some amazing musicians perform here in the garage. And on the full Maron this week, we put together another live music mixtape with 11 of those live performances, including this one by Billy Strings.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
One of those movies you can find easily. I guess you can if you're looking for it. But it's right there on Criterion. And it's about a guy, you know, just kind of a... Is the word itinerant? He was just a drifter. A drunky drifter with a guitar in a jail cell. And some local reporter in Arkansas, Patricia Neal, is doing a radio show of people telling their stories about their lives.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
And she goes into this jail and interviews... Andy Griffiths Charakter, der Lonesome Roads genannt wird. Ich glaube, sein Name ist Larry. Und er ist einfach so ein scharfes, ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen ein bisschen
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Er will ihn bewegen und seinen Charme helfen, einen Politiker als Präsidenten zu bekommen. Und dann ist es nur der megalomaniakale Charakter versus seine neue Macht und was er damit macht und kann er es beheben. Und es gibt einen geniösen, ich denke, es könnte die erste Performance von Lee Remick sein. Und Walter Matthau spielt einen Schriftsteller.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
And it is such an amazing and thorough examination of fame and demagoguery through celebrity that exists. It might be the best one. So I recommend watching that fucking thing. But then again, I'm in show business and I feel like I have to watch it every few years just to make sure I understand the world I run in. All right, so look, Will Oldham is Bonnie Prince Billy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
There's a new Bonnie Prince Billy album, The Purple Bird. It's now available wherever you get music. This is me talking to Will Oldham.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ich fühle mich wie bei einem kleinen Trauma, der vor einigen Minuten passiert ist. Ich habe etwas Honig auf einen Cracker mit Pfeffer gelegt. Und ich habe den Topf von Dr. Bronners All-in-One-Soak gequänt, damit es sich auf den Topf solidifiziert. Ich glaube, das war auf meinem Finger und ich dachte, es sei Honig. Und ich habe einen schönen Hitz von Lavender Dr. Bronner in einem genommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja, aber ich fühlte, dass es in der Langzeit gesund werden wird. Ich fühlte nicht, dass es mich verletzen wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Weil von Bronner. Ja. Hast du Bronner benutzt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja, Cilantro, Koriander, großartig. Aber manche Leute sind verbreitet. Ja, ich habe das mit Lavendel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
In your fancy town? They put some lavender in the cookie? Everywhere, yeah. My wife likes to cook with it sometimes. Oh, yeah? In sweets, mostly sweets, yeah. Yeah, I guess it's a nice hint of this or that. It can be, but... So, dude, you know, we met once and somehow in my mind I decided we have problems, but we don't. Good, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Aber ich bin aus Jersey, genetisch. Oh. New Jersey. Rechtlich. Klar. Ich meine, es ist etwas, worauf man sich stolz ist. Ich denke so. Jersey. Es war nicht immer so, aber jetzt kenne ich es ziemlich stark. Ja. Ich kenne es, weil ich... Bist du ein Springsteen-Fan? Einige. Einige? Ja. Also, das ist eine gute Frage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Mit mir? Ja. Das war ziemlich intensiv. Das war großartig. Aber Nebraska hat einen Einfluss?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Oh ja, ja, ja. Na, ich meine, es scheint einfach so zu sein, dass das Modell, ich meine, warst du noch ein Kind?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Aber es war eines von diesen Dingen, wo es so war, er macht es einfach in seinem Zimmer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Wait, is that a big deal? No. I know what the big deal was, because I just appeared in the movie as Chuck Plotnick. And I read the book.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Did Warren Zanes write that one? I don't remember who wrote it. Warren Zanes wrote the book on the making of Nebraska, Deliver Me from Nowhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und ich denke, dass die Frage damals war, nachdem er diese Dinge gedreht hat, die eigentlich Demonstrationen gewesen sind, er wusste nicht, was er mit ihnen machen wollte, dass sie es jedes Mal versucht haben, es mit der Band zu machen, es so oder so zu machen, und er hat entschieden, dass sie versucht haben, die Songs im Studio zu drehen, was er auf der Gitarre machte, aber sie wollten die Rekordungen, die er auf dem T-Jack 4-Track machte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Aber sie konnten nicht einen Weg finden, es auf Vinyl zu transferieren, mit der nötigen Qualität.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
It just seems to be something that happens. That exhausted peace of mind. But look, today on the show, I talked to Will Oldham. Now this guy, he's been on my periphery for a long time, man. You may know him as Bonnie Prince Billy. He records under that name for most of his stuff. He's put out more than two dozen studio albums. And the latest is called Purple Bird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Um Millionen von Dollar zu verdienen? Ich glaube, das war das große Problem. Er hatte schon in den USA angefangen. Und sie sagten, das ist es, Bruce. Und er sagte, ich will das nicht machen. Ich werde diese Songs machen. Ich will mein Gesicht auf dem Cover nicht machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Genau, und das gab ihm den Eindruck. Das gab ihm den Eindruck. Und es ist ein Eindruck. Aber es ist nicht ein ehrlicher Eindruck. Es ist nicht ein authentischer Eindruck.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Ja, zu dem ersten Suizid-Rekord. Und er gibt ihm Kredit. Oh mein Gott, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1623 - Will Oldham
Und was hat er gemacht, Johnny? Dream Baby Dream.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
So you can just come here, just hop right in and then leave.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
But what is your relationship with New Mexico? Because I grew up there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Born in Jersey, but like third grade through high school.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah, my dad's still there. I mean, you know, I'm New Mexican.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Isn't that crazy? Roswell. I know. Why were you born in Roswell?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
But were they involved in the military or something?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Where are they from originally? So you're full southwest?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Well, maybe that's because your dad knew something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Don't knock full-scale denial in times of trauma and crisis. You know what I mean? There'll be time to peel that shit back later, right? I don't, again, I don't know how long I'm going to open these shows like this, but at some point you're going to have to accept the authoritarian dread that is going to be the foundation of our national culture. And that's just, that's where we're at.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Natürlich. Wie kannst du White Sands vergessen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Das ist verrückt. Das ist das, was ich gehört habe. Ich bin als Adult da gewesen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ja, in Carlsbad. Ich war auf einer Klassenreise, um da runter zu gehen, als ich nach Hause gebracht wurde. Warum? Weil ich in ein Bad mit einer Mädchen getroffen wurde. Es war schrecklich. Ich musste den Bus von mir selbst nehmen, den ganzen Weg nach Hause.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Nein. Okay. Ja, das ist mir gerade passiert. Das ist verrückt. Das war vor zwei Monaten. Yeah, I was there the whole time and they finally sent me home. No, it was a class trip and we were supposed to go overnight to Carlsbad and White Sands. And we were all just going crazy and I was making out with a girl. It was in high school. What are you going to do? They sent me home.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
You're just looking at that gauge. There is nothing. So what happened? You moved from there to where?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Nachdem sie das zweite Mal verheiratet wurden. Ja. Sie haben sich zweimal verheiratet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I guess people can do it in other countries. They have to. It happens. It's part of people's lives all over the world. Hungary, there you go. Check in with your pals in Hungary and see how they dealt with it. Reach out to the Hungarians and ask them, what were the first few months like for you before you realized that there's no more democracy and whatever they're calling it is not that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And did you ever have a relationship with that guy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I've done a little bit of research, but... But when you do that kind of research, you're like, holy shit, how did you get out of this with any sense of self?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
It's odd when you have parents who are emotionally irresponsible, to say the least. I don't know exactly what that situation was. But you do, some part of you steps in to parent you, probably not great. But if you've got that instinct, that, you know, your self... Like self-preservation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I mean, either you're going to go one way or the other instinctively, either you're going to break down and be a victim, or you're going to be like, you know, fuck it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And it's kind of a completely rigged system by a bunch of unfuckable hate nerds and grifters and cyber fucking weirdos. Huh? Techno fucks. But yeah, so I don't know. I'm not feeling great, but I am trying to integrate and accept the authoritarian foundation that's unfolding and you try to do what you can in your life. Get out there. Get out there with the people. Come on. Protest! Protest!
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
You did that. Yeah. Because you had to be the parent. You had to be together.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah, well, me too, because there was a point where my parents, my mom was 22 when she had me, but they always seemed to think that I had a handle on shit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Right. And then now everyone's gone or away, out of the house anyways. So you can just do what you do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
It's a relief. It's just... Does it feel like you're a phantom limb? Are you craving care caking?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Es ist einfach ein anderer Zeitpunkt. dass es einen gewissen Art von Akzeptanz gibt, der passieren muss. Und du kannst dich nicht selbst verzeihen. Aber ich muss sagen, das war hart erholt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Protest! Rise up, get out there, even if you feel like it's futile. The exercise of it is something that you need to do. I mean, you kind of got to do it. I mean, it's sort of one of the necessary components of being a free people. I'd like to believe that we're still a free people. It's a bit of dread, but I'd like to believe we're still a free people. But you can go to indivisible.org.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Okay, so you're both kind of scrambling around.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
That's a long haul. Seeing the country back in the day.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Do you think it was like, who was drinking? Your dad?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Aber ich war älter, ich war nicht ein Kind. Aber für Jahre hat er sich mit einer bereits existierenden Praxis in einer kleinen Stadt verabschiedet. Für einen Jahr-Kontrakt, um Orthopäde-Chirurgin zu werden. Und dann, als er weg war, er ist bipolär, also hat seine Bipolarschaft gegründet und sie wollten ihn raus. Das ist, was ich denke.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Also er war in Muscatine, Iowa, Warsaw, New York, Victoria, Texas. Das ist seltsam.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Well, I was older. No, no, no. He was always, you know, erratic. And like, I have a lot of the same kind, like I'm sober too. I'm sober, what, 25 years? Amazing. And he, you know, but you have the same symptoms. You know, my mom was like this, Sie hatten immer diese Ernährungsverletzungen und beide von ihnen waren irgendwie verdammt, aber nicht speziell Drogen und Alkohol.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Also was du bekommst, ist das, worüber du sprichst. Du musst dich irgendwie aufbauen, auf eine Art und Weise. Und du musst da sein für sie, weil sie nur nützliche Leute sind, die nicht wirklich richtig lieben. Es ist alles wie eine Art Manipulation. Sie paniken und dann verabschieden sie sich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Das ist interessant, diese Art von Sachen. Ja. Was ist wirklich chemisch und ist das auch transferierbar? Es scheint, als Trauma-Recherche mehr in der Nähe kommt, dass es Sinn macht, weil dein Gehirn immer adaptiert ist. Also warum würde es das nicht erschaffen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
That comes from an inability to love or be loved. So it's all drama, like, you know, like, blow up, come back, you know, that. It manufactures some sense of connection, but it's not... Because there's no love, no central love of self. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
What are we going to do about that? Or what am I going to do about it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Richtig, das ist interessant. Es gibt also die Idee, dass wegen deiner Bedürfnisse oder deiner Unvertrauen in dich selbst und deiner Wunsch, mit anderen zu verbinden, du einen anderen Art von Empathie entwickelst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
That's interesting. It's a good way of phrasing. I tend to go with the shit happens model. Not necessarily to me or for me, but hey, life isn't easy for everybody, for anybody.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I think they've got a way you can search for protests, town meetings, other civic action. I'm going to get out there. I'm going to get out there. I do my own singular protests here and on stage. But I want to be with the people, feeling the people's presence, the weight of Und Thrust und fucking Energie of an angry community event. Alright, you can do that. You should do that. I should do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ich weiß, aber mein Bruder war so, aber ich hatte das nie wirklich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Na, wenn deine ganze Kindheit eine Lüge war, weißt du, du bist für das gezwungen, was wahr ist, was real ist, richtig? Ja. Also, wann bist du in Hollywood gekommen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
So when do you start to know you've got something?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
So look, today on the show, Demi Moore is here. And who doesn't love Demi Moore? What a great fucking actress. What an interesting person. What a charismatic being. Her performance in the film The Substance won her a Golden Globe and a few critics awards. She's nominated for the SAG Award, the BAFTA Award and the Oscar for Best Actress about fucking time. Am I right? Did you see that movie?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And she goes to do tests and now you're like, I gotta get in this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
We're all the same age. Yeah. Wild. I know. Those guys must have been out of control. It seems like he would definitely have known them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Es war auch so, als wärst du ein Kind, mit einer unbestimmten Mutter, die auf eine Art Verbindung sucht, in einer ziemlich verrückten Umgebung, in einem prädatorischen Moment. Ich meine, wie wirst du da aufstehen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I didn't even know. When I went to see that movie, I had no idea what it was about. I knew it was weird. I knew it was sort of a sci-fi horror-ish. Not really my bag necessarily. But I was kind of fascinated with the whole concept. I'm a big Demi Moore fan. And man, I went and saw that movie and I was like, this is a fucking masterpiece. What did I just watch? And I'm not a horror guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ja, aber das zeigt auch, dass du dich in dir selbst glaubst, weil du es natürlich sehr gut machst. Aber du wolltest das nicht riskieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Und du konntest dich noch nicht in dich selbst glauben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Also, als du es bekommen hast, was war es? Was war es? General Hospital?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Und das schoss hier? Ja. Das ist verrückt. Ja. Und du warst da für was?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah, I don't remember what happened in it exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Aber ich habe mir vorgestellt, dass es eine General-Hospital-Sache ist, nur weil du den Skript des Tages bekommst und du weißt, dass... Es war großartig, wie... Lernen, ja.
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Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah. Yeah. And so, okay, so you get Boyman on Rio and then you just start doing it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ich erinnere mich, es war wie der große Chill für Kinder. Ja. Ja. Und das war der große Break. Ja. Jetzt, wo bist du mit Verbrechen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
But I mean, do you remember the first time you saw The Fly? Do you remember the first time you saw Cronenberg's Fly? I mean, that is sort of a, if not a life-changing moment, sort of a brain breaker. I mean, that thing was spectacular. And it just seems like the director of The Substance Coralie Fargeat. I don't know if I'm pronouncing her name right, but I'll tell you one thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ich weiß. Ich bin ein paar Jahre lang vegan gewesen. Und das war nicht nur für ethische Gründe. Aber ich fühle mich wirklich, als hätte ich genug Fleisch gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ja, also du machst St. Elmo's, aber das, was wirklich die Welt zerbrochen hat, war der Ghost Roll, richtig?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Oh yeah, Elizabeth Perkins. Amazing. Yeah, she's great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah, but you were showing up. You actually must have been, had some transformative talent once you got in it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Her vision was tight. All her homages, all her sources were present. Cronenberg, Kubrick, David Lynch. But she didn't just, it wasn't an appropriation thing. She had integrated their visions into her own and made this spectacular, poignant, cutting movie that is just grotesque as fuck.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Are they lying to me or are they telling me the truth?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Nein, ich weiß. Ja, aber was hast du mit ihm zu tun?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Aber plötzlich, mit Ghosts, bist du wie eine große Star. International, die Leute sind wie du. Sie schneiden ihre Haare, machen Pottery. Ja. Und es ist unglaublich, dass du es nicht benutzt hast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Und du hast den Schuss umgebracht. Es ist wie, du wirst so heiß. Es ist wie, es muss verrückt haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Right. But there was... But were you applying, were you doing the program and stuff? Okay, so that you're like, you know, do what's in front of you. Yeah. You're applying principles to stay in the present. Yeah. And be a decent worker among workers and whatnot. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah, 12-Step helps to get a lot of the clutter out of the way, you know, so you at least can see your personal truth pretty clearly. Well, that's great. And so after that, I didn't realize just that you were this pioneer of women's pay, right? that you demanded, when you had the juice, you demanded equal pay and you got it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And man, you watch that movie, you don't even know, you sit through two acts of that movie and you're like, what could they possibly do for a third act of whatever we're sitting through right now? And then it happens and you're like, oh my God! They fucking did it! They did it! And you just watch in horror and excitement and just pure entertainment, but also...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ja. Was richtig war. Genau. Es macht keinen Sinn. dass du diese Sache führst und du nicht das gleiche Geld bekommst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ich dachte eigentlich, dass G.I. Jane ein wahnsinnig vulnerabler Film war. Ich stimme dir zu. Es gibt nichts Schlaues in diesem Film. Ich denke, es hält sich auf.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Die Reise des Charakters, die Erwartungen, und dann, dass du dich mit deiner eigenen Vulnerabilität vergleichst, aber es nicht verstecken kannst, war eine wahnsinnige Rolle.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ja, aber der Punkt ist, dass du so lange diesen Top-Notch-Werk gemacht hast und jetzt ist endlich jeder so, hey, guck, sie ist hier. Es ist Zeit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Big fucking message film in a lot of ways about vanity, about aging, about women in the workplace in this particular context, specifically show business. Dennis Quaid does a thing that is pretty fucking great in this movie. Und Margaret Qualley ist, sie ist wie ein fucking Star, Mann. Aber ich habe den Film sehr gefreut. Ich habe den Film sehr gefreut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And also, who knows if you would have been able even to tackle a role like this at another time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Als ich den Film gesehen habe, wusste ich nicht, was ich erwarten sollte. Ich wusste nur, dass die Prämisse interessant klingt, aber ich bin nicht unbedingt ein Horror-Mann. Aber ich bin sicherlich ein Kronenberg-Mann. Also wusste ich nicht, was ich erwarten sollte. Und ich kam daraus, dass es ein Masterpiece ist. Jeder muss das sehen. Ich würde es Leuten sagen, dass sie es sehen müssen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Und die Leute sagten, wirklich? Ich sagte, ja, wirklich. Es ist tiefer als was du denkst. Ja. And for sure it is. Yeah. And I got I got people to go and we had conversations about it. I thought that the director knew exactly, you know, in a sort of frame to frame way what she was doing and what she wanted and what her sources were. And you could see the homage to her heroes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Which was beautiful, beautiful, terrific. And, you know, even once it's what makes it amazing is that. You know, once you buy into the conceit, which is almost immediately, you know, it becomes a poetry movie in terms of what it's really depicting. You're not wondering, like, where is she really getting the drugs? Who's in there? It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. Totally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
It's totally irrelevant. But that's a hard thing to transcend, you know, if the movie isn't so masterful. And it just was. And you were great. Quali was great. The sort of what it had to say about all this stuff we're talking about. Exactly. About how we see ourselves and, you know, and the price of that. und was du tun möchtest, um die Schmerzen zu erneuern, ist ein bisschen verrückt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I think that it's good that you did it. And I feel for myself that I've been on the precipice of it for a while. I'm close. But I realize that it really is a trust to open your heart. And I can feel the weight of that. And there's still a good part of me that's sort of like, not all at once maybe. You don't want to just walk around crying all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Schau, ich bin in Iowa City am Ingler Theater am Dienstag, Februar 13th, Des Moines, Iowa, am Hoyt Sherman Place am Freitag, Februar 14th, Kansas City, Missouri. At the Midland Theater on Saturday, February 15th. Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel on Thursday, February 20th. Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater on Friday, February 21st.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Nun, du musst es nicht wiederholen, aber letztendlich passiert es, was seltsam ist, über all diese Dinge. is that in its repetition you realize it doesn't work anymore. And, you know, when you're in that zone of repetition, you know, you either are going to
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And also letting go of the behaviors that keep you from acknowledging or seeing or being with yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah, I hold all of my stuff in my chest. You too? It's fucked up. But we're doing good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
We're still here. Yeah. It's great seeing you. Thank you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
There you go. A person who continues to do work on themselves and make changes and also be self-aware to somehow get to a better life. It's doable, even with the authoritarian dread. Again, Demi is nominated for Best Actress at the Academy Awards for her performance in The Substance. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Louisville, Kentucky at the Baumhart Theater on Saturday, February 22nd. And Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House on Sunday, February 23rd. Then I'm coming to Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois and Michigan, Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire and New York City for my special taping. You can go to WTFpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Vermont sold out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ah, this is exciting. On Monday's show, I talked to Ariana Grande, who's nominated for the Best Supporting Actress Oscar at this year's Academy Awards. We talked about that, but also about a lot of other stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I think about it all the time. How are we here already? I had a feeling because I've listened to your show and I'm a fan of yours. I had a strange feeling that you and I would meet, say hello. I would meet one cat and we would jump into the depths of everything we've ever experienced. I'm so sorry for asking you if you're afraid of death.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Nein, nein, nein, ich meine, ich glaube, es ist die meiste, du weißt, es ist eine ziemlich ehrliche Frage und ich meine, die gesamte, du weißt, die globale Wirtschaft ist gebaut auf Menschen, die Angst vor dem Tod sind und geträumt sind, aber wenn ich darüber denke, denke ich manchmal, wie, naja, das wäre, du weißt, es wäre entspannt, wie, du weißt, ich denke, ich bin bereit für einen Rest, du weißt, aber, du weißt, ich möchte generell aufwachen, also
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Oh my god, I'm sorry, I'm having a coughing fit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I think I am afraid of it, but I think I can acknowledge it as an inevitability and I think coming to peace with it, which you don't have to do, you're young and I'm not that old, but there is a point where you're kind of like walking with it on a certain level.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Boomer lives. Monkey and the Fond of Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And I think Skokie might be sold out. But other than that, go for it. It's so funny, man. You know, Adam Ray... Er macht eine sehr seltsame, zirkusartige Veranstaltung. Ich glaube, man könnte es so nennen, wo er Dr. Phil spielt. Es ist ein Dr. Phil Live-Show. Es ist sehr populär und er ist ein sehr lustiger Kerl. Und ich mag ihn. Er ist ein guter Kerl.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Und er hat mich vor Monaten gefragt, um auf diesem Dr. Phil Live-Business zu sein. Und ich habe nie auf nichts gegessen. It's been a long time since I did a talk show. It's been a long time since I've been on a podcast of someone else's. I just feel like I'm sort of out of the loop of that. And it doesn't feel necessarily that important to me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
But it was one of those things where I'm kind of driven by like, hey, well, these guys are doing it. Why am I not doing it? Why is he not asking me to do it? And I think it's that attitude that, you know, that slight tone that, you know, It's got nothing to do with anything. But but last night I did it and I was nervous. It's so fucked up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
I've been doing this goddamn job in every capacity possible since I was 22 years old. And this is just a live show where, you know, he's playing Dr. Phil and I just got to sit up there and riff with him. But I'm like, oh, my God, what is this? Am I going to be funny? How come? What am I fucking doing? And it was a good time. But was what was really great, though, for me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And sometimes it's a comedy story. You don't know, you know, who's going to be there. And Johnny Knoxville was on the show. He made a contraption that it was funny because I didn't even know what it was. I'm like, so you're on the show. He goes, well, I made a contraption. And I'm like, this is going to hurt someone's balls. There are balls involved.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And he laughed and he's like, yeah, it was funny. It was actually some sort of contraption that obviously punches you in the balls. Johnny Knoxville is famously known for getting into situations where your balls are going to get punched somehow with something. But either way, that's a sweet guy. That's a funny guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And really, you know, I don't know about you, but I gotta watch Jackass at least twice a year. But I gotta pace it out. Because you want it to stay funny, even if you know it's coming. You want it to stay funny. You gotta find those funny things, man. I watched The Other Guys the other night. And with Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg. That's a funny fucking movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fucknicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast, welcome to it. How's everybody doing? How are you holding up? Are you wringing your hands? Are you flipping through your phone constantly? Are you exacerbating your dread, despair and hopelessness? every two minutes by clicking on your news feed?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And now I'm like, I can't watch out for like a year. You got to pace them. So few things are really hilarious. And you know, if you get locked in your phone and you're just watching bits and pieces, just remember, you're destroying your mind. Watch something that has follow through. Watch something that has an arc that's more than 30 seconds or a minute long.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Don't just like, don't let them use you. With that fucking technology. Where you're just punching yourself in the brain for fucking dopamine hit or a little sadness, a little joy. Don't do it. Get out there. Get face to face with some people. Talk. You know, you don't have to pay attention the whole time, but just get back in the groove of talking to other people in an engaged way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Thank God it's what I do for a living. Oh my God. Demi Moore. Are you kidding me? What a joy. When's the last time you watched Ghost or G.I. Jane? So many movies and you forget just how long she's been doing this and how a few good men, always good, always singular. Also, again, go see The Substance. Just do it. Put yourself through it. It's worth it. That should be a saying. Just do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Put yourself through it. It's worth it. Huh. Can we... T-Shirts? T-Shirts? Alright, look. This is me and Demi Moore. The Substance is still playing in theaters. I would go see it in a theater. It's also available to buy or rent digitally. And it's also streaming on MUBI. Demi is nominated for Best Actress at this year's Academy Awards. Very exciting. And it was a real treat for me to talk to her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ich meine, du hast ein paar... Nicht so kompliziert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Ja, ich hatte ein paar Big Wigs, einige deiner Kollegen, die Leute, die du kennst. Ja. Movie-Stars und so weiter sind hier gekommen. Exes, all of them, they've all been here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Yeah, she saw me at a comedy show and I was talking about my dad with dementia. And she said, hey, you know, my dad, you know. And so we talked and we had lunch once and talked about dads with that. Yeah. Yeah, it was helpful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
And does the whole thing. Ja, aber, weißt du...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1615 - Demi Moore
Are you still thinking that this is going to pass or that this is a temporary thing? What are you doing? Are you eating more? Are you exercising more? Are you laying in your bed just wondering what the point of it all is? What's going on? Where are you at with it? Are you just kind of blindly going through your day like nothing's going on? Hey, you know,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, that, I don't even know where I got that Iggy pillow. But, you know, when I interviewed him years ago, I was kind of amazed, because, I mean, Rollins, Henry said, you know, well, have you ever met Jim? Right. Jim. And I'm like, I don't know what you mean. Like, well, there's Iggy and then there's Jim. Yeah. And Jim is a very erudite, smart fucker. Well read. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But, you know, it's like people who do things, who create things. He took the Queens of the Stone Age down into the catacombs in Paris with acoustic instruments and did one of the most stunning things. A bunch of songs that I've ever seen shot. And it's crazy. And it's like, where does that come from? I mean, he'd always wanted to do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
You know, just knows the thing. Yeah. And it was funny because he came over and I didn't really know what to expect. And we were out at the old house where you were at. And he's out on the porch and he's like, oh, yeah. Nice day. And then like off comes the shirt. I'm like, well, I guess it's going to be half Jim, half Iggy. That's how this is going to go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Ich liebe das Konzertbild und das Video und so. Ich weiß nie, wie all das passiert ist. Wie hast du dich entschieden? Hast du Iggy gesagt, lass uns das runternehmen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, it's like one in seven, six billion maybe. Right. And it's so interesting to kind of like, well, he's a guy. Genau, er ist ein Frontmann, also wie er aussehen wird, oder was der Ton oder Teil der Zusammenarbeit mit ihm ist, das ist alles, als Band, das ist viel davon, weil er nur Bands wählt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Du hörst diese Perspektive nicht so viel. Und er hatte viel zu sagen. Ja, ich kann mich nicht erinnern. Das Album war alles Neues, oder? Ja, es war alles Neues. Aber als du das Konzert gemacht hast, hast du einige Klassiker gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And, you know, obviously he's an interesting guy that's been through a lot of stuff. And seriously, a fairly expansive and amazing artist. But I was, you know, they sent me this stuff. His person was like, you know, they just did this thing in the catacombs. I'm like, what? And no one's ever been allowed down there. And just the inspiration and the need to make it happen took a lot of years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Ja, aber auch, weißt du, lehnen, weil tonalisch das Ding ist, ich meine, ich denke, dass, du weißt, der Idiot ist in deinem Alley. Ja, es ist tief in meinem Alley. Ja. Ja. So whatever's gonna come out of you is gonna be, you know, you kind of channeling something as opposed to mimicking it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But I imagine he's like somebody who's just gonna respond to the thrust of the thing. Was he picky about, you know, how you were handling the music?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Aber ihr habt ein tolles Rekord gemacht und das Konzert war toll. Es war einfach Spaß. Und er ist 100 Prozent all in, all the time. Oh, ja. But it's weird because even Lust for Life, that didn't get the attention it deserved until Trainspotting, really. Really. Right? The movie. Because it was like a big part of that movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And then I know the story of Search and Destroy showing up on that Nike ad. Right. That was in, you know, movie theaters. Because my buddy, do you know John Daniel at Crush Management? No. He's a good guy. Yep. You know, but he was in publishing and he knew the guy. He was just a dude looking at titles. Yeah, right. For a commercial. Right. You know, on a catalog. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And he thought Search and Destroy. I didn't know that. That's amazing. Yeah. Let's hear that. Yeah. It had nothing to do with Iggy. Right. And then it became huge.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But isn't that amazing? Isn't that what we're supposed to be doing? You know, there's been a lot of revelations over the last few days. And I am grateful and amazed at the feedback. und, äh, Gefühle, die an mich kommen, äh, wegen unserer Erkennung, dass, äh, wir die Show über die nächsten paar Monate schließen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Well, you had gotten... That was a long time ago. It was, and you were just going sort of public about the dying on the table business.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Und ich, ich, ich, es ist sehr bewegend und es gibt, es gibt sicherlich eine Schmerz zu es. Und wir werden nicht jeden einer dieser Episoden eine Reflexion auf die Entscheidung machen. Aber, Junge, ich wusste nicht, dass es Rippen um die Welt hätte. And I know, look, I appreciate the part I play in everyone's life. And I appreciate the part you play in my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Wenn du so etwas herauskommst ... Denn deine Songs sind manchmal sehr operativ. Ja. You know, when you come out of, what, a second or a third sort of run-in with death. Because I know on the catacombs... Video, there's that song about suturing the future. Was that out of this?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
All of them are Queens tunes. Oh, none of them are new? I'm not deep into the catalog, so they're all sort of versions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But the fear of it. I mean, because I know kind of moving towards this, whatever, we'll get to it, the intention was to record in the catacombs. But I mean, when you have these moments, given who you are and what you've been through, do you feel fear? Ich meine, absolut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And I'm just going to keep going here. But it's all very exciting. But there is, look, I acknowledge the void. And it's weird because we talk about the void in a general sense that, you know, everyone's got a void that they're trying to fill.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
You know, the idea of being powerless or turning something over, it's like there's a vulnerability to it. But it's not like you're all of a sudden in danger. You just feel fucking, you know, soul naked.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here I am. I'm going to be blown away by a wind of insanity. Well, I think I've always been a bit of a, you know,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Don't give up, give in. So that helped you. It's funny how these little twists, these little turns of phrases, especially out of me, I don't know, are you being sober? Is that where you're at?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
At least those of us who know what I'm talking about, which is most of you, you know, you can't stop moving or thinking or dancing around the edge of this inner void that, you know, there's plenty of solutions. You know, you've got the the God sized whole idea, which is not the one I go with. But
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
As long as it just doesn't, you know, like, awaken the beast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
You keep changing up what you do. Yeah, well, because it keeps you engaged with it. Yeah. It's funny because I, you know... Dean Del Rey, unser Mutual-Buddy, hat ein Special in einem Gebirge gedreht. Und dann bist du in die Katakomben gegangen, um das, was du gemacht hast. Und du hast den Riff am Anfang seines Specials gemacht. Ja, ja. Für ihn, das war schön.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Aber es ist lustig, weil ich ein HBO-Special letztes Wochenende gedreht habe. Und ich habe eine Band zusammengebracht. Und ich habe einen Riff geschrieben. Und ich war sehr... Mein Kopf war voll mit Kais. Ja. A head full of Kais is a sentence I haven't heard in a long time. I had a head full of Kais, dude. Hold on, hold on. I mean, I don't know if you can identify it, but for me, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
That was like 15 years ago or something like that. I'll listen to Tejas. I'll listen to, what's that, what do I got on my pre-show list for when I'm performing? Oh, I've got Just Got Paid, which is, I think, from Real Grande Mud. Hold on, hold on, see if I can, I don't know, I can't believe I'm playing this for you, but I think it's important.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Oh, I'm very happy. Yeah, dude. Like, it's funny about, like, I don't know what that is. Like, I mean, I listen to Queen sometimes, but I'll fucking go back to, I listen to Caius a few times a month, dude. Yeah, really? I like being the Vegemite on your toast. I mean, come on, dude. So, like, now, did you, like, I was wondering when I was watching the Catacombs,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Are you close with your buddy from Eagles of Death Metal still? Oh, Jesse, yeah. Because they went through that shit in France. That was horrendous. Was there any sort of connection to that that drove you to the catacombs? Yeah, I mean, my... Yeah, I mean... Das war im Jahr 2015. Es gab einen Terrorismus-Attack und das Publikum, in dem sie gespielt haben, hat viele Menschen getötet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But it's there, you know, and when you make a big decision in your life or you change your life dramatically or you, you know, you realize that something is going to be missing, it becomes a little more difficult to not acknowledge and, you know, reckon with the void.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Aber deine Freunde sind rausgekommen. Jesse ist rausgekommen. Nicht alle. Alle in der Band haben rausgekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Ja, du weißt... Oder du gehst in eine Trauma, eine immediate Trauma-Reaktion.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
The Void, you know, usually you're dancing around the edge and then all of a sudden something happens in your life and you're just sitting on the edge and you're kind of, you know, inching a little bit toward, you're kind of tempting yourself to fall into that void. But I had this realization, thanks to you folks and just thinking about it, was an interesting thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Sie hatten also einen Teil des Shows durchgeführt und dann ging das alles runter. Wie lange später? Also am 13.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Oh, so these were fans that you had a relationship with.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
All right, so the night before I told you guys what was up, I didn't know how to feel. And I was alone in my house. And I knew I was going to sort of kind of lay this on you. Ich hatte interessante Gefühle. Es ist nicht so wie ein Verbrechen, sondern es ist nur ein langes Verabschieden. Aber ich fühlte Dinge. Ich war in diesem Verzweig, in diesem Gefühl. Was wird passieren? Wo gehe ich hin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
emotional blockades that you're just like what do I do and the grief gets just it's the other thing about powerlessness and about what your own place in the world is and then how to deal with whatever grief and regret and anger all that stuff
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I see what you're saying. Sure. And that's sort of contrary to your story always mattering. Because you're the one who... Well, you're the main character in your own thing, right? And you were the one that caused a lot of your own fucking misery before. Sure. So now all of a sudden, you know, you have to reckon with, you know, something out of your control that involved your friends, your fans.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Geh nicht hin. Also, als du zurückgekommen bist, um das Set zu beenden, war das einfach so, dass du zumindest fühlst, dass du dich verbinden und erneuern kannst. Deine Fans, dich selbst und versuche, in der Heilung zu helfen, richtig? Nun, es gibt so wenige...
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I said that about grief after my girlfriend passed away. Is that... All anyone has to do is sit there. People are like, I don't know what to do. How do I handle this person's sadness? It's like, just show up. And just be present. And that's it. And whatever comes from that, comes from that. But there's nothing you have to do other than be present.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Aber das ist das Menschlichste von Dingen. Es ist nur, dass der Fakt, dass du... Es ist das garantierte Ding, richtig? Well, you know, as somebody that
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Und ich bemerkte, dass der Verzweig... It can be anything. It's a slight shift to see it as a despairing, bleak, terrifying black hole of ill-defined but not good. Or you can see it as this world of possibility. Maybe even happiness. When you take an element out of your life or you're preparing to do that or whatever, it's horrifying. Und es ist schmerzhaft.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, but also like art, you know, the weird thing is, is that I don't know necessarily that, you know, the way you approach music and your evolution, you know, within it and sort of like how much you've grown over the years in terms of being an artist. And also lyrically, it's not really, it may be escapism, but music is informed by feelings. Sure. And, you know...
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, and you have no idea who got it, where it went to and what they did, how they used this tool. Right, how it helped them. Ja. of art or whatever it is that comes from a place that is informed by one's own struggle.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Right, right. And I guess that's escapism, but I guess I'm drawing a hard line. You know, like, obviously, you know, let's enter this world that isn't the world, is escapism. But, you know, once you're in the world, like, we're gonna do some shit. Oh, yeah, it's gonna get dark and dirty. Yeah, but it's not mindless. I guess that's the distinction I'm not making.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
It's like, you know, there's some part of my brain that thinks escapism is mindless, but it's not.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, it's a fine line between carnival barking. a snake oil salesman and preaching. Right.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
It exists in the ether and it never goes away. And you can just pull it out of the ether and it works its magic every time for you.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Aber auf der anderen Seite öffnest du das Leben zu anderen Möglichkeiten, egal ob sie professionell oder persönlich sind oder nur Raum sind. Aber es gibt ein aufregendes Gefühl dazu. Aber es liegt auf all den Dingen. Schmerz, Schmerz, die Dinge. But I had another realization the other day that I think I'll share with you because yesterday I interviewed Sarah Sherman from SNL.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And it feels like the first time. Yeah, until it doesn't and then you wait a couple months and you kick it on again. I'm fucking, you know, I'm like Wait, this is Foreigner, feels like the first time. Yeah, yeah, which some people love. Some people would be playing that song. I just wish Foreigner wouldn't.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
No, no, please don't do it to yourselves. I had a very bad moment with that, with seeing some of the reels of Angus now. And it's sort of like, oh, come on, dude.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Well, because, well, his type of music is like, eventually you can sit down and play that shit. It's so pre-olded. Yeah, it's ready to age. It's been pre-aged for you. You know, and like I saw, who did I see? I saw X, you know, Billy Zooms. He's still sitting. He's sitting now. And Eggzine somehow or another is still kind of menacing and sexy. Those guys knock it out.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And even within the Stones, Keith is doing okay. Yeah, Keith is fucking great. But Mick is sort of like, okay, you keep doing it, buddy. If you're a fan, you want to keep rooting them on, but there's a line cross where I'm like, it's getting a little sad, fellas.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Sure. But oddly, if they can still deliver the goods, it'll lift it. But there are moments like, you know, guns is out there, but they're not as old as like the stones. They still seem to be delivering. You know, and sometimes I just don't know. Part of me, because I don't live in the world of that type of competition, but part of me is like, you don't need the money. You can't need the money.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Totally. You know what I mean? Yeah, or else they're starting to go away. Right, right. But there's an exception there. It's like, you know, your relevance diminishes. Right. You know, and you're going to play smaller halls. Yeah. But like Bob Dylan, I think he just wants to die on a bus.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I was, you know, I'm, there's worse ways to go. Sure, man. But like, I think he sees himself as, like, I've kind of reassessed that whole guy recently. Yeah. Because I don't know why I didn't realize it. You know, he's almost like this, you know, almost like, he's like a savant, but he's, you know, he's a cipher. He's like this, you know, brilliant vessel that things move through.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, but that's just to protect his vulnerable genius.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
He put his sign down and took my blood. And then you go back and he's got a stack of papers. Yeah, that's the guy. You've been there. I have. And he's like, well, this is not good. This might mean we should do this. Did you have to do a shit sample? No, but I'm still willing to.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And I always wanted to talk to her because I think she's a true blue weirdo who does unique shit. And I just didn't, I don't really know her. But, you know, I'm a fan. We had a great conversation. You'll hear that whenever we put it up. But it was truly one of the beauties. But she came over with a friend, her best friend. I think her name was Ruby.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Right, but, you know, if you break it down, it's not... It doesn't have to be relative to your blood work. Right. These are just these nicotine pouches. I'm on everything now. I got the pouches, I got the ons, I'm back on the lozenges. I noticed you had a sticker over each nipple. The nicotine patch. I got some patches because I'm tired of these. And you can't get the flavors anymore.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
You have to go to a smoke shop. No, I know, but I know one that will sell you the flavors. Yeah, I love that. I love that that's a thing. But it's illegal. Ich habe einen in Hollywood. Ich habe einen. Ich habe einen.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Das Problem ist, man, du gehst aus der Stadt, es kostet 5,10 Dollar. Ja. Und wenn du zu deinem Mann gehst, um den geflavorenten zu bekommen, kostet es 12 Dollar. Ja, naja. Ich gebe keine Scheiße. Aber ich sage nur, es ist lustig, wenn ich auf der Straße gehe, ich sage, gib mir zwei Rollen Pfeffermin. Ja. But it's interesting, you're on the threes and you're pretty hardcore.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Because if I do a six, it knocks me out, dude.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I'm trying to not turn into Beavis. Oh, yeah, but I'm already there. I'm doing them mid-set, dude. And I'm a comic. I can't go turn my back to the fucking amp and have a drink. I've got to be like, I'm doing this.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I say, look, I'm an addict, and if I can just have one little thing to keep the big empty away, I'm good. Ja, oh, Buddhist, there you go. Okay, so, but what I was going to say is that that advice is not, it doesn't have to be relative to blood work. That's that guy's PT Barnum, and it just worked on you.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Gehen wir zurück zu den Katakomben. Als du das Konzert in Paris beendet hast, musste es sich bewegen. War es da eine Verbrennung? Auf welchem Niveau? Wie fühlst du dich für die Fans, für dich selbst?
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And Ruby hung out on the porch while Sarah and I talked. Then after the conversation, I went out there and I noticed Ruby. And she's got to be in her early 30s or whatever. She's reading Faulkner. And not just Faulkner, but The Sound and the Fury. And this is a book that kind of changed my entire life somehow. And I was just so thrilled.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, I mean what's the most important things other than your time and your energy right and creating and and honoring the community Yeah, that was affected and also, you know showing up for the community that you are part of and created Yeah, and and yeah that you know, because you say things like Everyone's here.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, well so from that Ist dieser Wunsch oder dieses Wenden in den Katakomben der selben Stadt Teil dieser Trajectorie?
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I know. For some reason, the loneliness, even if you're only away for three days, that second day in a hotel, you're like, who am I? What am I doing?
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I was like, oh, my God, someone's reading The Sound and the Fury. A young person is like, you know, is in the Faulkner. And I kind of I lit up and I was like, which section are you on? Are you on the Benji section? Where are you at? Are you? And she said she's on the Quentin section. I'm like, oh, Quentin doesn't end well for Quentin. And then, you know, my brain just lit up.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Aber auch, ich brauche den romantischen Teil davon. Oh, ich verstehe. Aber du kommst auch zu dem Punkt, wo du sagst, ich mag Hotels. Ja, natürlich. Ja.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But the romantic element, so what was your relationship with the Catacombs?
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
What is the history? Was it different? Was it the plague and then the wars? When did they stop using it functionally?
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
It's this massive monument to the inevitability of death. Yeah. Which is life, right? So death is inevitable. Yeah. And this is like on some level a celebration of the inevitable. But those of us who are alive, you know, you look at it with awe. You don't look at it with horror. You would think it would be horror. And don't look away, you know. Yeah, yeah, you can't.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And I was like, you know, we started talking about Faulkner. They had both read Absalon Absalon and they were just discovering this guy, the greatest writer ever. And then somehow or another we got to Bruce Wagner and you guys know that I'm a Bruce Wagner freak. And then I'm like showing them my Bruce Wagner books.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And also somebody like you, who has cheated death several times and had a certain amount of Ja. Ja, sicher.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, and sometimes it's like, it also moves quicker when you get older. It's like... Yeah, for sure. Right. Well, but this is one of the great things. This is when you say...
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And then I told her about this book that I had in college by this guy named Clance Brooks, who was like the Faulkner critic guy. And it was just this feeling of being lit up. You know, by talking to people that, you know, excite you in terms of, you know, what you're interested in and what things, you know, light you up or just to engage on that level, which is something I've done here for years.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Sure, or you can be like, well, you know what, I'm just going to sit here.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But like if you've got your shit settled and you want to sit down, go ahead. Yeah, in the zero fucks given aspect of getting older. But so how, because like I'll tell you man, you know, watching that piece in the catacombs of you doing those tunes and not being, you know, Ja, genau. Ja, genau. That starts to happen in there. Right, but it's not heavy.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
It just is, but also the space itself, because of low ceilings, anything where you can't help but see the ceiling, you know, there's something kind of, it's not mystical, but you know, you're beneath it. Yeah, you know you're down, yeah. You're down in it, but the sound was so good, all the instruments sounded good, but also just...
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
There was an element that happened, even when you're cutting away the skulls and all that, that was not dark.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
It was like my old garage because of the low ceilings and because there's so much stuff in the walls.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But, you know, it's available to you. It's available to you. Out in the world. And it's something that, you know, is of primary importance in the world we live in and in the lives that we live isolated on our phones, afraid, full of weird panic and not really knowing what's going to happen.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
No, it's not like anything. Because, you know, because of the nature of... Und es ist die ganze Sache. Es ist das dominante Ding. In a space that is probably the greatest monument to reverence for the dead. It's the largest monument to the dead in the world. And yet you guys are all finding, you're negotiating your space with that space.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, but not in like we're trying to... It's not a spectacle. No. It's all very intimate.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
It's intense, but it's very, you know, it's deep and it's, you know, there's a poetry to it. Yeah. And it makes your songs different in meaning and the way you're playing them, that's the only time you're ever going to play them like that. Yeah. Well, no way to recapture any of that.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But, you know, if you have those people, like my buddy Sam Lipsight and I, we talk probably every day on the phone. He's in New York. But, you know, you have to have that these conversations I've had in here, but in life... in life to pursue the conversations that excite you and just trigger your passions, trigger your creativity, trigger your understanding of the world, make you laugh.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
That was great. And I was like, try this. Because it didn't... When I noticed that instrument, because there's one shot of it, it's not an instrument, it's a wad of chains. And he's using it percussively. But it's not... Chains are associated with ghosts. But it didn't do that. It gave it a sort of... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Und du fühlst, dass das eine singuläre Sache ist, nicht wie wir es vorher gesprochen haben, dass das die einzige Sache ist, die es ist. And this moment won't last.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I mean, I know maybe it's a tall order, but those people in your life are essential and they've always been essential to me. And I think there's something about me that some of you have gleaned I was kind of a lost wandering soul for a lot of my life. I had a very ill-defined sense of self and the way I defined that for a good chunk of it creatively was through anger.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Yeah, and also like the fact that you weren't available to be haunting means you've arrived at yourself. That I'm supposed to be there.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Das ist toll, zumindest ist es ein bisschen Komödie. Aber ja, auch so, wie es endet, die Suggestion ist, dass es dein Punkt der Sicht ist, wenn du in die Halle gehst, nur zu dir selbst zu singen. Yeah, the whole thing is beautiful. And it was really kind of moving. It's good to see you again, pal. Good to see you too. Alright, man. Thanks. There you go. Deep dude. Intense.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Queens of the Stone Age Alive in the Catacombs is available at QOTSA.com. Hang out for a minute, folks.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
If I can get my dread down just to the basic existential dread of mortality, as opposed to every other fucking thing I have to do in my life, that might be relaxing. I've never been able to take a real vacation in any way without it being work or worrying about getting the podcast in during the week. That might be interesting. There's a whole world out there.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I'm just going to have to get out from under... Whatever the core anxieties are and try to live my life a little bit. That episode is available with a Fullmaron subscription. To get bonus episodes twice a week, sign up for the Fullmaron by going to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
But I was always looking for people to show me the way, to give me the answers, to give me a new perspective, to make me laugh, to make me think, to blow my mind with creativity, to turn me on, whatever it is. that that pursuit in life and then to try to hold on to those relationships that continue to give you that are just essential.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And I think that there's something about being isolated and being locked into patterns or locked into your phone or locked into beating the shit out of yourself or locked into fear or locked into a kind of despair or stifled creatively. It's like...
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
I mean, there are people out there that know how to talk, and there are people out there that like what you like, and there are people out there that can spark that excitement about art, about life, about, you know, try to stay away from the politics, because that never leads to a good place. But just the creativity and the soul-nourishing engagements of other human beings is fucking essential.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And if there's anything that I've learned from doing this show... It's that. But I also, you know, have it in my life and now will, you know, kind of, you know, make sure I nurture those relationships so you don't fall into that void. You know, sit at home alone on the edge of it, wondering if it's going to suck you in.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Lock the gate! WTF, how's it going? Okay, how are you? I know, I know. I understand. Believe me. I understand how you're feeling. But I'm around and I'm still having the good talks. I mean, today I talked to Josh Homme and it was crazy. It was crazy. I hadn't talked to him in a while. He's been on before and it was kind of crazy the last time.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
So look, folks, as I said, Josh Homme is here today, front man of the Queens of the Stone Age and also the band Caius. Caius, the best, the Eagles of Death Metal. He was on the show back in 2013 talking about the near-death experience he had after a MRSA infection. Also, the first three episodes of the series Stick are now on Apple TV+. I'm in that. Und ich denke, es wird beruhigend sein.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Und guckt, Leute, wenn ihr Sommer-Vakation-Pläne macht, müsst ihr auch darauf achten, dass euer Haus sicher ist, während ihr weg seid. Okay? Könnt ihr das machen? Das ist der Grund, warum wir Simply Safe empfehlen, das neue Standard für die Sicherheit der Heimat zu setzen. With traditional security systems, police get called only after someone is already broken in.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
You! Yes. Yes. Oh my God. And all the previous guests and people in my business have been reaching out and congratulating me and Brendan and saying what an amazing run it's been and what we've contributed. And, you know, I don't know, man. I feel I feel OK. I feel like the void is gone.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Füllt mit Möglichkeit und ich bin, ich bin reenergisiert, um zu beherrschen und Beziehungen mit Leuten zu beherrschen, die viel zu meinem Leben bringen. Und ich weiß nicht, ich hoffe, du auch. And I've been doing a lot of comedy. It's very funny, you know, when I feel a loss or a pain or a period of sort of floating.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Like I just lean in and I just go hit the stage, go to the comedy store and get up there and kind of yammer. But I'm sort of in a different zone right now. I'm kind of grounded and zero fucky. It's kind of good to be zero fucky, you know, and just speak your mind. I've been kind of going at the... Kind of actively kind of trying to wrap my brain around the idea of the manosphere.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
And, you know, what that means to culture. Obviously, we have done that for years. I think probably ahead of anyone calling it the manosphere. But it's a very odd thing. You know, these just yammering men behind microphones, you know, spending a lot of time, you know, talking about how they think women should be or what a woman's role is. And like to the point where it's obsessive.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Und manchmal denke ich, warum nehmt ihr die Frauen nicht aus der Equation und verpisset euch schon? Macht es einfach. Macht uns alle einen Dank. Lasst es gehen. Ich meine, es gibt Jungs, die ich gestern gelesen habe, die ihre Augenhaare wechseln, weil es zu feminin ist. They're doing jaw exercises to make their jaws more pronounced. They're flying to Turkey to get hair transplants.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
They're just eating raw meat and getting ripped. It feels like they're just evolving into some sort of gay fuckbot. I just don't know. I don't know where this all ends up. But I had this idea about the symbol... Es gibt ein Symbol, ein altes Symbol, das Uroboros. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich es richtig bezeichne. Aber es ist ein Schnee, das seine eigene Haare isst.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Und es ist ein Symbol für Totalität, ich denke, für Einheit. Es repräsentiert eine Totalität. Und ich hatte dieses Bild in meinem Kopf, dass ich denke, dass das Symbol für die Totalität der Manusphäre wäre, dass der Kock seine eigenen Ballen isst. Ich war so glücklich über das. Ja. I was like, oh, this is gonna be great. And then people were just sort of like, what? What is he talking about?
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Underwear, folks. Underwear. It's something you probably don't think about a lot. You just put them on and go about your day. I can tell you from experience that ignoring your underwear will no longer be the case when you start wearing skims for men. I got the 5-inch cotton boxer briefs from Skims and I've got to say, they are definitely comfortable.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
You'll realize that you've been spending most of your life in underwear neglect. These are boxer briefs that hit right at the thigh and stay there. That's the big difference. No moving around, no bunching up, no late in the day wedgie. Das ist die Unterweihung, die du dein ganzes Leben erwartet hast. Und ja, das ist Skims Unterweihung.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Vielleicht hättest du gedacht, dass es nur eine Marke für Frauen war, aber jetzt kannst du die Freude teilen, die deine Frau oder deine Freundin mit Skims erlebt haben. Das ist eine volle Reihe von Unterweihungen für Männer in Kotten und Streckmaterial mit vielen Stilen und Farben, sodass du wählen kannst, was für dich passt. Kaufe Skims-Männer an skims.com.
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Episode 1649 - Josh Homme
Lass sie wissen, dass ich dich gesendet habe. Nachdem du deine Anrufe platzt, wähle Podcast in der Survey und wähle WTF mit Marc Maron in dem Dropdown-Menü, das folgt. So this is a great conversation. I always like seeing Josh Homme. He's a very energized dude who just never stops working. And the Queens of the Stone Age Alive in the Catacombs is available at qotsa.com.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Es ist viel zu sprechen für viele Jahre zu vielen verschiedenen Leuten und einfach aus meinem eigenen Gehirn. Und heute auf dem Show habe ich mit Dwight Yoakum gesprochen. Nun, die meisten Leute wissen, wer Dwight Yoakum ist. Er ist Sänger, Songwriter und Schauspieler. But he also turns out to be quite the music historian and raconteur.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So who were the big country acts out of Detroit and Chicago at the time? Well,
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
He's had multiple number one albums and number one singles, multiple Grammy wins. He's also an actor who's been in movies like Sling Blade, Panic Room, Logan Lucky. We talked about none of those. But he's got a new album out called Brighter Days. And I never know, you know, sometimes people come around and I have opportunities to talk to them. And if I have interest, I'll talk to them.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And that's where Billy comes from? Billy Bob.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Also, wenn du kommst, wo deine Leute in Kentucky gesetzt wurden...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But, you know, when you're dealing with a musician, A lot of times guys have been around a long time and maybe they were part of other musical outfits, musical bands, whatever. You know, they're still working away. All this to say that Dwight's new record, I listened to it and right out of the gate, I was like, holy fuck. Every song on there is a banger, as they say.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Er ist ein interessanter Charakter, der in den neuen Lande eingeführt wird. All das, ja.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, he was a Burritos guy and then the Birds guy. Well, he was Birds first.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ich habe mich mit meinem Vater zurückgebracht aus Korea, von dem wir geredet haben.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
We went to Alaska through Michigan, Kentucky, the Ohio River, Cincinnati. We started with... Why you like Alaska.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Right. Yeah, but then he had one, a slow one.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Great writer. Great storyteller writer. He...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
F-hole K. Like my dad had a Harmony with the F-holes.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So that's a big deal, a big deal to let go of the shotgun.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Just really fully realized songwriting is good, the guitar sound is great, the band is great. It's called Brighter Days. And I was so excited to just turn that record on or listen to it on my phone and just be like, holy fuck, he's really still doing it. So it was a pleasure to talk to him. Usually I can sort of find a way in through the new work, but with Dwight, this dude likes to talk.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ja, anyway. Well, so that's a touching thing, he made that sacrifice.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It seems like a natural country tag. My dad pawned a shotgun, so I got my first guitar.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Welche Musik hat dich dazu inspiriert, das zu schreiben?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Es ist interessant, dass man, wenn man einfach einen Ton oder einen Tempo ändert, manchmal die Unterschiede zwischen schrecklich und aufgeregt sind.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It's like the band's version of Long Black Veil. Exactly. It kills me, man.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Du bekommst die Katharsis davon heraus. Es ist interessant, weil der Wert davon, wenn du über irische Musik oder keltische Musik denkst, dass der Wert der Geschichte, die die Irlander behalten mussten, nicht so ähnlich wie Kentucky ist, wie du es beschreibst.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So when did you start to find your voice on the guitar?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
This is one of those rare episodes where I had to interject just to make sure I was still in the fucking room. Because it was very engaging. There was a lot of stuff kind of... A lot of things I didn't know. He was very sort of involved in sort of really kind of exploring and validating the California country scene and sound. It was a great conversation.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Then later in the conversation, we got to talking about Credence. And actually after the talk, we sat on my couch in my house and listened to a Cosmos Factory. Ja, genau. You gotta hear my speakers, man. And we listen to Up Around the Bend. Great guy. Good conversation. Also, Brian Jones, the mug maker, the potter, still has some cat mugs for sale that you can get at wtfmugs.co.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Also just, you know, kind of like selfish fucked up.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yeah, other guys, you know, I don't. I've been married twice and didn't have kids. I used to do a joke about it. It takes a special kind of asshole to have two wives and no kids. I think my second wife put it like this. You think I'm bringing children into this? Yeah.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But no, but I see guys who have kids and definitely change them. It opens up something in you.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, the panic. The fear. The panic. Ich glaube, das ist einer der Gründe, warum ich ihn nicht hatte. Ich habe früher gesagt, ich habe keine Kinder. Und wenn ich jetzt denke, dass ich ein Kind habe, dann denke ich, ist er okay? Ist er noch atmen? Nein, nein, nein. Hast du die Kinder gecheckt? Was ist los?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
These are the mugs I give to my guests, handmade by Brian Jones. Get them as gifts for WTF fans in your life or as a treat for yourself. Again, that's at wtfmugs.co. Let's run down some dates. Am Freitag, Januar 17, dann Boulder, Colorado, mit Boulder Theater am Samstag, Januar 18. Ich werde in Santa Barbara, Kalifornien, am Libero Theater am Dienstag, Januar 30.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I had to let him know that. Well, I'll tell you, this record, like, you know, I hadn't heard a record of yours in a long time. You haven't made one in a long time. But I put this thing on and I'm like, holy fuck, he means business. Oh, well, thank you. I mean, every song is a great song. Holy fuck could go the other way, too. No, no. Well, thank you. Every fucking song lands in the sound.
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Listening to Merle, listening to Buck Owens.
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Dann San Luis Obispo, Kalifornien, am Freitag, Januar 31. Monterey, Kalifornien, am Golden State Theater am Samstag, Februar 1. Ihr könnt auf WTFpod.com gehen. für all my dates and tickets. And there's a lot of other stuff coming up. I mean, I'm going out there to some interesting markets that I didn't do with this hour yet.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I mean, I'm going to like Iowa City, Des Moines, Kansas City, Asheville, North Carolina, Nashville, Tennessee, Louisville, Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Durham, Charlotte, Charleston, Skokie, Joliette, ich werde in Grand Rapids sein, ich werde am Traverse City Comedy Festival sein, glaube ich, im April.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I just watched that DVD of them live at Albert Hall. They were just a fucking machine, dude. Oh, how good. It was almost like they didn't fucking even care about the audience. Nein. Er war direkt auf dem Drummer. Pure Musik.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, they never wanted you to sign, they don't want you to go that way. If they don't have family in it. They're worried. No, they are.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und das ist alles in Richtung eines speziellen Tapings, das es sieht aus, als würden wir es im Mai hier in New York City machen. Ich werde es nicht genau erläutern, wir arbeiten noch die Details darauf aus, aber ich habe ein Venue gecheckt. So that's all, that's what we're converging on.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Like as you remember, I was doing this new hour and then I got kind of sidelined by the TV gigs and the movie gig. And now I'm back at it, picking up places that hasn't seen this work. And certainly it's different than what I was doing whenever I started doing it. But the point we're moving towards is another HBO special. And, you know, that'll be it. Das ist es.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Aber du spielst nur, was du für Country-Audienzen nimmst?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Es kommt ein Punkt, wo man sagt, naja, das ist, was ich denke. Ich weiß nicht, warum ich das auf mich selbst stelle, warum ich das so denke. Ich meine, ich bin alt, ich habe alles richtig gemacht, ich bin glücklich darüber, wo ich bin und was ich erreicht habe. Und es gibt eine Teil von mir, die denkt, was muss ich für mich weitergehen? Ich bin nie wirklich ein Geldmann gewesen.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, the first hit's Hello Mary Lou. That's country rock. But that's really Louvin' Brother, Elverly Brothers through Hello Mary Lou.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So this moves through, you know, so your roots come up through, eventually it gets, because that's pre-Birds. Oh yeah. So it's pre all that stuff. Chris Hill and I talked about it.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Ja, aber in Bezug auf deine direkte Entstehung von... Die late birds, das Lieblingslied des Rodeo-Albums. Ja, aber dann diese Mike Nesmith-Rekorde.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Auf AM Radio. Wenn du hier lebst, also wenn du wirklich anfängst zu arbeiten, wenn du aus den Country-Rooms kommst, spielst du mit Los Lobos und den Blasters?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Turns out I did all right. I don't know why I'm talking in the past tense here, but I think about it a lot. You know, my audience is getting older with me and I don't know what the future holds, but I know this is what is happening. Next year is going to be a busy year. There's a lot of things going on. A lot of changes are happening in the world and perhaps in myself. So we'll see. I don't know.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast. Welcome to it. Looks like, I don't know what happens every year, I guess it's an end of the year thing, but I get these little sort of message requests and DM sort of things from random people, fans, showing me the listings of their...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But what's interesting is that, like, out of that Alejandro Escovedo, he, you know, he's in Austin, so he still, he wrote, you know that record of his, Gravity? No. Oh my God. It's one of the great records. But nonetheless, somehow or another, what's interesting about your career,
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Is that you're playing straight up fucking balls-to-the-wall country, and at that time, country's not really going in that direction. And then somehow or another, you sort of, there was a couple of guys, the old-timers, like George Strait, who were bringing it back. Well, Ricky Skaggs.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I don't know why I bother thinking about this. Why can't I just be in the present in this room? Huh? Why do I choose my head and projections and my phone and speculation and distractions over just sitting with me? Huh? Come on. What is it? I'm going to play at a show tonight here in New York. It's a sort of...
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und du hattest diesen ganzen Stil. Ja, es gab eine Sache in Kalifornien, in der wir es machten. Ich glaube, es wurde, ich meine, du bist jetzt, du bist ein established country. Ja. Also kommen wir jetzt hier zu, du weißt, Hillmans Cut Song auf deinem neuen Rekord. Und du hast auch den traditionellen, welchen hast du gemacht?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
The whole record has a fucking drive. Even the slow ones have a drive. And it's like the difference in your production. I once talked to Fogarty. And I said, I got all those old fantasy records. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And those grooves are deep and they all sound clean as fuck. And everything is... Well, it's him producing. I know that.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
So I said to him, it's very funny, because I'm thinking about even the opening of this new record, your record of Brighter Days. I said, well, how do you choose, how do you mix? And he goes, well, we're thinking of an AM radio speaker in a car. So when the guitar plays, you put that up front. When I'm singing, you put that up front.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I don't know how this works, but it's going to be one of these music comedy shows that I do, like the ones I do at Largo. And I just, you know, I should be thrilled. And I am to a degree, but I want to do a good job. It's going to be me and Favino. Matty Wiener is going to do a set and Nimesh Patel is going to do a set and I'm going to do some comedy.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
We're going to do about, I guess, four songs, me and Jimmy and his guys. Adam Menkoff auf Bass, der ein Genius war. Sean Pelton, der große Drummer. And so we're gonna do, I think we're gonna do Steppin' Out. And then we're gonna do Goin' Goin' Gone, the Dylan song. Then we're gonna do What Goes On, the Velvet Underground song. Then Jimmy wants to do Run Run Rudolph.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And then Kingfish is coming out. He's gonna do a couple. The Thrill Is Gone and Hey Joe. And then we're all gonna play Killing For, the Howlin' Wolf song. And it's gonna be in a room with like 150 people. It's like this small event space. And it's mostly invitation only. But, uh, Yeah, it's going to be pretty exciting.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
That's where that begins. One of the first records I ever had when I was a kid on a cassette that my parents left downstairs with a cassette player was Cosmos Factory.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
There was a point there where they showed me the lineup and they put Kingfish in the middle. And I was like, why would I even play after Kingfish? I'm trying to get by on the guitar here and do a little singing. You can put Kingfish in the middle of the show. What's the point of even picking up a guitar after that? So now he's going to close big. But I'm nervous. I'm excited.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Because they are so like, I just watched that recently, it just came out. But they are so like, you know, they are just in it with each other.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Sie lieben Musik, aber mehr als alles, sie lieben sich. Aber sie sind magisch. Meine Theorie ist, dass all diese Hamburg-Jahre, als sie auf der 10.000-Stunden-Regel gejagt wurden, aber sie waren auch auf der Speed-Regel gejagt. Sie hatten einen Mindmeld und es ging nie weg. Nein. No.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And they can't last. So on this record, by doing that thing you were doing with those little speakers... Because I noticed it immediately with the first guitar chord. I'm like, oh, I'm fucking in. What the hell is that? My casino. Holy shit, dude. That's the revolution. The Epiphone Casino. I saw John's. Over at the Rock Hall. The guy took me in back. You saw his?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Wir haben die Audition auf dem Rooftop verabschiedet. Aber jeder Song auf dem neuen Rekord kommt sofort raus. Und das ist wegen dessen, was du gemacht hast. Ich habe es voll lieb, Mann.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I want it to be a good time. I'd like my brain to be able to just think, hey, this will be a good time, not, oh, fuck. Man, I hope I nail this. Jesus, I hope I nail... What's wrong with my brain? So Podcasts, so filling your head. So what about reading? I guess if you're listening at the beginning here, I brought that up. I was talking, you know, I come to New York not so much these days.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
But I thought that guitar sound at the beginning of this new record, it's just got that crunch. Well, that's my Casino. That's the best, dude. But the thing is, every fucking song... Wide open heart. Yeah, every song just pops right out of the thing.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
There you go. Did you learn something? Huh? Did you? Dwight Yoakam, the new album, which is awesome, Brighter Days, is available now. Hang out for a minute.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And I went out last night with my buddy, the brilliant novelist, Sam Lipsight, my dear friend Sam. And he was doing a part in a reading. He was part of a group called Das war ein Buch, ein Kollektion von Mark Lehner. Mark Lehner ist einer der großen Satiristen, einer der großen Eingriffspusher von Sprache und Ideen. Er hat dieses neue Buch, A Shimmering Serrated Monster, herausgebracht.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Für dich am Start die neue Sparkassencard. Eine für alles, egal was du vorhast. Mehr auf sparkasse.de, weil es um mehr als Geld geht.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
People, we've had some great stories told on WTF throughout the years, so we've been collecting them and putting together bonus episodes filled with some of the best stories from past WTF guests. This week on The Full Marin you can get the collection of epic failures with stories told by John Benjamin, Terry Gross, Chris Gethard, Natasha Leggero, and this one from Danny McBride.
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Du warst hier, um es zu machen, und sie war hier, um jemanden zu finden, der es bereits gemacht hat.
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Und du merkst, dass du nur da bist, um sie mit neuen Freundinnen zu bieten. Ja, genau. Du bringst dir...
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Herzschlag und kein Weg. Du hattest keinen Agent oder nichts, oder?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Und du isst Fettburgers und fragst dich, wie viele Leute in deinem Haus leben.
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To subscribe to The Full Marin, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF Plus. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. And here's some classic guitar from the personal vault. Boomer lives. Monkey and the Fondant, Cat Angels everywhere. Alright, okay, alright.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
It's like it's the Mark Lehner reader. My buddy Sam wrote the introduction. But, you know, Lehner's done some amazing books. My Cousin, My Gastroenterologist, Et Tu, Babe is a great book. Last Orgy. of the Divine Hermit, Sugar Frosted Nutsack, which is a novel. I don't know.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I just think that if you read him, you're going to get a fucking kick out of him because he's just, you know, he's hardcore, raw, transgressive, You know, envelope pushing, satire, you know, both in ideas and language. And the thing was, is like, we do this thing. And it was, you know, it was a nicely attended event. Friends, family, other writers read from the book.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
And we all went out and I talked to Lehner a bit. I hadn't talked to him in a long time. I interviewed him years ago on Air America. Because I always, like, Et Tu Babe was sort of a mind-blowing book for me. But this is one of the great writers. And I got talking to Sam recently. And a publisher who was there just about, you know, how do you get people's attention to focus on books?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
How do you get them to focus on anything when there's so much around? And then I believe maybe the publisher said that people are listening to podcasts more than they're reading books. And I thought to myself, well, fuck, I guess I guess I'm partially to blame for that. But I guess this is just a pitch. You know, read a book. Will you read a Mark Lehner book? Read a Sam Lipsight book.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Pick up a book. I'll do it if you do it. What do you say? Deal? All right, look, Dwight Yoakam is here and we had a great conversation. I enjoyed it immensely. He just released his first album of new music in nine years. It's called Brighter Days and you can get it wherever you get your music and it's a great record. This is me talking to Dwight Yoakam.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
und wir sind noch da, zumindest für einige Leute, was schön ist. Es ist ein langer Zeitraum. Wir haben das ein langer Zeitraum gemacht. Ich weiß nicht, wie viele. Ich weiß nur, es ist viel. Und wir halten sie aus. Für dich, für deine Erfreulichkeit. Jeden Montag und Dienstag. Ein neues Show. Für dich. Und wir machen noch mehr Sachen. Für Bonus-Sachen. An der A-Cast da.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I've lived here a while. I'm from New Mexico. Jersey, genetically, but I grew up in New Mexico.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Yeah, you know, I was there. Were they at university? No, my dad was in the Air Force in Alaska. Oh, sieh. In Anchorage. Und dann, als er rauskam, er ist ein Doktor, also war es eine Art Boomtown. Und ein Freund von ihm hat in Albuquerque geflogen. Wow. Also bin ich da geflogen. Ich war in der dritten Klasse durch die Hochschule. Wow.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Das ist richtig. Aber Sie haben Erinnerungen.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Well, you feel the weight of that sky up there. I feel like you get closer to the top of the world, you can kind of feel it. Oh, no, the curve, yeah. Yeah, and I feel... Northern lights, all of it. There was that, but I remember mostly, there was a huge earthquake in 63. There was a big tsunami that hit up there, right? I don't know when that happened, but there was a massive earthquake.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
In the late 50s. Wow, das ist Anchorage? Wow. Hast du jemals nach Fairbanks gegangen? I went to Fairbanks to do a show as a grown up. And it's interesting when you fly into Alaska because you're like, holy fuck, there's nothing up here.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Tundra. Yeah, Tundra. I've done shows in Winnipeg. And you fly into Winnipeg, you're like, what the fuck? There's nothing out here.
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
Where would you go? Fairbanks, Anchorage or Juneau?
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Episode 1597 - Dwight Yoakam
I have no concept of what it's like now. Fairbanks.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Also, and this is where you can chime in, because somebody hit me to, I was talking about walnut oil. And it's pretty common that people who listen to this show will chime in. And some guy was going at it on the email about pecan oil. He's got this place, Oliver Farms or something. I'm not sure. I should know better. But I think the word Oliver is in it. But they do all the oils.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
They do all these cold press oils. They got pecan oil. They got pumpkin oil. They got okra seed oil. They got, you know, linseed, I think. But the pecan oil, because he said pecans are better even than walnuts in terms of the omegas and the health benefits. So I'm like, I'm turning into this oil weirdo. And it's not snake oil, it's nut oil. I'm not even saying it's anything other than what it is.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And I'm hoping for the best, but I've become kind of a proponent, a nut oil proponent. I got no grift. I'm not making any money on the back end of this. And I'm not trying to... um dir irgendeine Art von Gesundheits-Hokum zu verkaufen. Aber ich habe ein paar Pekan-Öle und ein paar Pumpkin-Seed-Öle und ein paar Okra-Seed-Öle gekauft.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und die einzige Grund, warum ich die Okra-Seed-Öle gekauft habe, war, weil dieser Kerl, der mich manchmal zum Flughafen fährt, Tom, der alte armenische Kerl, hat gehört, dass Okra-Seeds dein Cholesterol runterbringen. Ich weiß nicht, ob das wahr ist. Ich kann nicht mal auf der Suche finden. But I'm like, well, fuck it, I'll get some okra oil.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But now, when I make a smoothie, it's a teaspoon of the pecan oil, a teaspoon of the walnut oil, and a teaspoon of the pumpkin seed oil. Because those are the ones, man. So now, I don't know. Again, all I know is that since I've been vegan, and I'd like to credit the oils with the lack of inflammation in my arthritic toes.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And again, I'm not trying to pitch anything to you, but I would like some feedback. Anyone got any word, any info, any word on the street about okra seeds? What do you know? Tell me the pros and cons of the pumpkin oil, pumpkin seed oil. What do you got? Pecan oil, what do you know? I mean, I started with walnut oil, but now I'm going oil fucking nuts on nut oil. Yeah, it's happening.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Okay, so Lynn Margulies says, The documentary she appears in, Thank You Very Much, about Andy Kaufman, her late boyfriend, she was with him the last couple years of his life, is now playing in theaters and is available to watch on digital on-demand platforms. You can go to thankyouverymuch.drafthousefilms.com for more details. And this is me talking to Lynn Margulies.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And vote and get behind people that you think can maybe surface in the future. But how are you adapting to authoritarianism? It's interesting with tragedy, isn't it? Covid. Climate change is eventually, you know, people are, yeah, a few days go by, a few months go by and they're like, well, I guess I'm relatively okay. And then you think about friends or family or people that aren't.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Weißt du Noe Valley? Ja, ich habe da ein paar Jahre gelebt.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Aber was ist es, weil, wie siehst du, wenn du dieses Dokumentar schaust, denkst du, es macht den Job? Es macht, weil, weißt du was?
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, I think this is the first time that's happened. It's the first time. And I think because, you know, I've talked to Bob. I know, I re-listened to that. It's crazy.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, well, I mean, but the problem is, is like, I think one of the issues with Andy, especially with Zamuda as the guy in charge of the myth and the legacy.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yes. But him more so. No, but I mean, but he like was public facing all the time. I mean, he was doing it on purpose. I mean, there were points where, like it was, you know, you're Genau. You know, that suggests something. And I know, though he won't cop to it, that he was doing Clifton long after Andy died. And everyone knew that, but Bob was like, no, no, whatever.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, and Clifton, you know, he can be inhabited by whoever wants to inhabit Clifton.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Well yeah, because you have freedom. You have total freedom. Oh boy. But I thought this doc, in terms of answering certain questions and suggesting certain things that were kind of investigative on behalf of Alex, the director, in terms of making those connections around the death of Andy's grandfather and then the impact of the Maharishi. I mean, that's the whole core of the thing on some level.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But I mean, whatever Andy did with it, he did with it. But I guess in terms of you, there seems to be a responsibility on behalf of the people that love the guy to sort of make sure the legacy stays alive.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And then you kind of feel bad and you want to help them out or try to change something. Please just stop. This is fucking crazy. That ought to do it. That ought to fucking do it. God damn it. It's just going to be awful for the rest of time. You got to find some sanity. Find some fucking sanity. Try to do the right thing by you and yours and get behind the right things and make those signs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
I think I have seen it. Yeah, I mean, I found him funnier... As I get older, I find him more funny. I don't know, because I'm kind of a straight stand-up. When you're in the midst of it, you're like... Well, there's the Kauffman School and then there's the other school. And he's singular.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So anybody who is playing around in that area, you're always going to get like, oh, he's doing an Andy Kaufman thing. And there are guys who do the Andy Kaufman thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Ich wusste Leute, die von ihm so beeinflusst waren, wie Dave Cross. Und es gab auch andere Katzen, die sich gefragt haben, ob das wirklich so ist oder nicht. Ich bin froh, dass Laurie Anderson da war. Ich habe mit ihr gesprochen und sie hat mir erzählt, wie sie mit Andy verheiratet ist. Ich dachte nicht, dass es eine gewiss Sache war. Es war es nicht wirklich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Aber das Lied, das sie gesungen hat, ist das ein existentes Lied?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Behind Andy, she does one of her, Laurie Anderson.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Oh, so that was, so it was always kind of there. It was such an odd connection.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Him connected to, you know, and it makes perfect sense.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Well, yeah, but it would have been, he knew that he was doing something that transcended stand-up early on, that it was more of a, I don't know how he would have, He didn't think that way. Right. But he was in comedy clubs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Down the lower east side. Right. So how old were you when you met him?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, yeah. No, I get it. And so you're on this set and you're just taken with this guy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
What is it about? You know, it's interesting because the wrestling thing... I think the documentary is very good because it allows you to assess the full arc of what he was up to in all its forms. But then ultimately, the wrestling, especially since what the country has become, was really a fairly astute and intuitive reaction or trying to understand the culture we live in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Sure, right. But for him to kind of land there as almost his last major work... Right. You can't remove him from the culture, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Please. Just fucking stop. This is fucking crazy. I had a fucking, there's two fuckings in there now. It's a bigger sign. So look, today on the show, I'm talking to Lynn Margulies. She's an artist and the co-director of the 1989 documentary, I'm from Hollywood. And that film was about her late boyfriend, Andy Kaufman, and his foray into wrestling. Now there's this new doc about Andy out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, and I also like the idea of any reaction.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Well, that's a very unique person. I know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
To not care, but on another level to, you know, embrace any kind of attention.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
I mean, there's a not caring to it. But when people are mad at you, it's almost a more focused and more intense attention than if they like you. Yeah, it's true. They are really focused on you. Totally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. We have a president like that now. Oh, God. I don't know what you do with people like that when they're evil intended, when they want any kind of attention.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Oh, God. That's pretty smart. Yeah. I wish that were the case.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Was repräsentiert Andy? Das ist interessant. Was repräsentiert Andy den Menschen? Aber deine Erfahrung mit ihm, nachdem du ihn kennst, fühlst du, als ob es in der Dokumente ein bisschen die echte Andy ist?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
He was doing stuff at home, at the restaurant?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So it was probably just kind of weird fun? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So you were here, I mean Hollywood in the 70s was crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But I mean, when you were going out, what was the vibe? So you met Andy in the 80s, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. So when you guys, what was Andy doing when you met him, performance-wise?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
When I watched the doc, I realized, like, Judd's gotta hate this guy still.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
This guy still hated him. Yeah. And he's like 90-something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
I saw it. Oh, good. But yeah, it's a lot to deal with. And Andy just didn't... He didn't care. But do you think that on some level, did he lack empathy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And she's part of it. The documentary is called Thank You Very Much, directed by Alex Braverman. It's been in the works a while. And I don't care if you're an Andy fan or not. You got to know about Kaufman. You got to know about him. I mean, you know, he was a challenging, one of a kind, comedic supernova of a certain ilk. He's the only one. There's only one Andy Kaufman.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, who knows what would have happened to him if he wasn't. Well, when you were with him, did you guys, because there's a lot of stuff, you know, he talks about that I didn't know, you know, tracking his life. You know, this idea that hadn't he found TM. Mm-hmm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Das ist verrückt. You know, the question about the nature of comedy and that Maharishi answered it with this idea of, I can't remember exactly what he said, something about silence, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And then you have this realization, it's the same with David Lynch in a way, that they create a zone of Ja, ich liebe das. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Well, it's an interesting thing about a person who I've only met a few that they get this idea in their head and no matter whether it makes sense or not, there's something about conjuring it that the will to commit to it. Das ist verrückt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Warum? Warum? Und dann... Und jeder will herausfinden, warum. Ich glaube, das ist die Natur eines echten Künstlers, oder? Ich glaube, ja. Du antwortest nicht die Frage. Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
How are you even going to explain from the beginning? How are you going to explain the Mighty Mouse thing? How are you going to explain that? You can't. No, you can't. Because you're just doing it. Right. You can explain foreign guy. And why is it funny? Well, yeah. Well, I think that's the real genius part, is that it is still a commitment to comedy. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And you still get to a point where you're like, holy shit, you're laughing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So you're with him when he gets fired? Or when Taxi ends?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
He must have seen it coming. Or no, I guess not. It had nothing to do with him that the show was stopped.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und das ist vor der Jerrys Deli oder nach, es ist nachdem er bei Jerrys gearbeitet hat. Jerrys war während Taxi.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Nein, nein, er hat das nicht gemacht. Ich erinnere mich an das, als ich hier rausgekommen bin. Ich war in New York und da war dieser Typ, der bei Jerrys gearbeitet hat. Das ist verrückt. Ich weiß.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und was passiert nach Taxien mit euch beiden?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And he has influenced a lot of people. I mean, really, in terms of real punk rock comedy, real comedy that bends reality into something that you don't really know. What is happening or understand why it's happening and you're forced into this time zone of laughing, discomfort, sometimes repulsion, sometimes anger.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Was that the period where he brought the adopted kids on?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And they didn't really know him, or one of them did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So he literally found those guys in Times Square and then walked up to the studio with them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
It's a crazy moment where Letterman's just stuck with them out in the studio. I know. And trying to have a guest conversation. I know, I know. Yeah. And you were backstage for that? Yeah, yeah. And then like, now, the Elvis bit must have been planned, right? Was that, that show? Yeah, where one of the kids says, like, he did Elvis or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, because, and then he chose to come out with the bad wig and the jacket that's not Elvis. And do it badly. And just do Elvis in that jacket.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, and at what point, I mean... I'm trying to figure out what public perception was of him at that time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And that's where he pissed off. What's his name? Lawler. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't about the woman. That was about him calling out being a heel and calling Lawler out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Back to Memphis. That was the... When he hurt his neck, that's when Lauer dropped him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And this was his career? Was he making money? No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So what do you make of it? What do I make of it? Because I know that you can say that He was just having a good time, but I don't think he was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So he had no... I guess what's hard for me to wrap my brain around was that the element that most people... Ja. Ja. You're putting that on him. Well, no, to taxi.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, that the idea would be to blow it up. And he couldn't seem to do it while he was there, even though he tried in so many ways. Almost, it seems like he was trying to get fired. He was defying them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Right. But the character was so popular, they couldn't let it go. They couldn't let it go, yeah. And they just couldn't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Any zone of reaction was fine with Andy as long as it was focused on him and what he was doing. I mean, some of it is relentlessly uncomfortable. And for me... I don't know that I was a fan early on. I am a more kind of... real guy. I'm not a huge fan of absurdism or bending reality or challenging in the way that he did. I just like people to put their heart on the line.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Oh, my God. The whole thing is like an art piece, but he's not going to cop to that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
No, I know, I know. But when you look at it, when you assess it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Right. When we look at it now. The implications of it in terms of show business, in terms of all that stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
He turns it on its head by creating his own reality.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. Well, I think, like, for me, like, that Carnegie Hall concert is the best thing ever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
It's the best thing ever. And even in the doc, they don't let on that that woman may or may not have died.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
They did it so well. But that in the doc, that is the one thing that they don't reveal. Right. Because Zamuda says, yeah, she died.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, like out of all the things in the doc that they're going to keep a mystery. It's that poor lady on that little riding horse.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so I guess, did the woman really die? No. Not on stage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. So, okay, so now he's just doing the wrestling and you're not going to Memphis with him?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And what was the vibe? They just hated him?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Because he was afraid of him? Yeah. Did you get the sense that Lawler would really beat him up? No. No. He was a pro, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So what's the arc of it? How long does that go on for?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. And does he see the doctor down there or he comes back?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
I wonder what that was. What do you make of that? He wanted some love?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
He just thought it would be cool. I know, but we can read them now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Aber in der Beziehung, ich weiß, dass es im Dokument sagt, dass er ein paar Frauen hat, die sagen, dass er sie nicht war. Was auch interessant ist, ist, dass einige der Frauen, die er in seiner ganzen Leben kennengelernt hat, die Reaktion auf das Wettbewerb hatten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Es gab eine Linie, die er mit einigen Leuten überschritten hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
People do. I don't. That's why Andy and I got along so well. It doesn't matter in the big picture. But in order to critically assess his legacy, it's fun to... And he would love that people are doing that. I'm sure there have been books written or essays written or the implications of the wrestling period. You would hope. But in terms of his personal relationships...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
There was a couple of women saying that he just was not capable of any sort of intimacy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Ja, weil ich als jemand, der meine eigenen Probleme mit Intimität hat, versuche, zu beurteilen, wo das herkommt. Das ist interessant.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und ich muss festhalten, es ist immer noch das Schmerz des Großvaters. Wie konnte er jemandem vertrauen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Maybe he thought he did that. I don't know. It doesn't seem like he did. It was more of a provocateur kind of thing. But it wasn't my bag. But I did cultivate an appreciation for Andy as years went by. And there's some things that he did as I get older that I appreciate even more. And I missed a lot of it. I feel like I did. But his Carnegie Hall concert was spectacular.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und ich kann mir auch vorstellen, was ihn dazu gebracht hat, den Lieb des Großvaters so viel wie möglich zu suchen. Ja. Weil eine Beziehung mit deinem Großvater ist ein großes Problem.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und wenn dein Vater immer rumschaut und schreit, dann ist es Chaos. Und es ist furchtbar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Du konntest es entlasten und in es leben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Ja. Also war die Beziehung nicht besonders intim in der Weise, in der er sich vertrauen konnte oder sein Herz so offen gemacht hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Also was passiert nach der Diagnose? Wie verändert sich das Leben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Did you get a sense that... He wanted it to, he believed it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So he couldn't really wrap his brain around. I guess you have to have some magical thinking at the beginning at least.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
I guess you go through those five stages alive, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, denial was definitely. I think it's denial, depression or anger and then acceptance at some point.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. Ich sah die Fotos im Dock, wo er mit dem Mohawk in die Impro mitging. Und es war interessant, weil Bud Friedman, ein ziemlich schwieriger Kerl, ziemlich aufgeregt war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, I like that story, because Bud was the first guy that saw him at the original improv. Yep, yep, yep. And knew something was totally unique about the guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Ja, und er machte... Ich liebe, dass der Typ, der die Inspiration für Farm war, apparently, weil er... Bajie. Ja, aber weil er aus einem anderen Land war und sozial nicht integrieren konnte, natürlich ist das Andy's only friend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
There's a bit in there that is one of the best things I've ever seen in my life. I talked to Lynn a bit about that. But there is something about this doc. And we've talked to a lot of people. Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. So, but you know, what's interesting is when the director, whoever was on the camera, and it's a very modern proposition, when the director says, are you mad because he stole that from you? Because that's such a thing with people. Like, oh, he took my act. He took me. Right. And the guy's like, no, no, it was my gift. Oh, isn't that sweet? It was my gift. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
It was beautiful because it goes against everything in capitalist culture that, you know, bitter people accuse people of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And that guy was like, you know, he's my friend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Wer waren die Leute, die bis zum Ende hingegangen sind?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Justamuda? Ja. The management had enough of him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And over the arc of the sickness, which was quick, did you sense like a change in the way he saw his life?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So there was an agreement in the sense that they were still buddies. And then he kept him off.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Wirklich? Ja. Ja, weil ich weiß, dass sie das erwähnt haben. Sie gingen nicht zu tief in das Thema. Aber er war sehr aktiv in der TM-Community. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Never missed it. My late girlfriend was like that. She was locked into that. And no matter what, if she were on set, she was like, go do the 20 minutes. I didn't know she was a meditator. Lynn? Yeah, yeah. It was very important. She had her special chair. And if she was directing, she'd go and do it. Und ich denke, es funktioniert wirklich für sie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Like, there was something, like, you know, when I'm watching that, because I just got on Medicine for Anxiety after decades.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But when I'm watching that, like, there's always that part of your brain that wants to make excuses. I'm like, you know what, dude? Just lock in. Just go to the TM thing. Let's fucking resolve this thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But then minutes later, I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to do that. Yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, I guess so. Okay, well, I like that framing. I'll take it. Because I always tend to think like it's a reasonable reaction.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Oh, so he was like, he was like medicine. He was like medicine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
and in his life through events pre his performing years that could somehow put him more into perspective, explain some elements of his personality, which was hard to really kind of nail down because he was moving through so many. And whoever the real Andy Kaufman was, who knows who their real self is really. But he kind of played a lot with that. But this doc really tries to get at that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So, the discussions about his legacy, those happened after he was diagnosed?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And what was it exactly? What did he say?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
His wrestling. This is what he was working towards.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Was war in deiner Meinung, wie würdest du es machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Oh, really? That was it? That was it. Well, thank God for YouTube.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
It's really sweet. Oh, well, it's It's interesting that it's taken this long for someone to do a real assessment. I know. Because there hasn't been a documentary, has there really?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. It actually delves into... Yeah, I was amazed at the connections that the filmmaker made. It was pretty smart. It was. Smart guy. That's why he spent so much time with me. Yeah. He needed to know what you knew. Because you were there at the height of his career.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But... Aber wenn du glaubst, und Andy glaubte, dass das Wrestling wirklich...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So on some level, according to him, that was the most important time. Absolutely.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But what about the estate? I mean, how do people just churn out this material? I mean, like, you know, because usually it's protected, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And I didn't know where the conversation with Lin would go, but we got some places about him and about the arc of what he was going through and how he seemingly sabotaged his career and his relationships in the name of his expression. I don't think he ever considered himself a performance artist or an artist necessarily, but he was someone who had to do what he was doing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. So the family did have the estate, but the father didn't give a shit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
That's crazy. Well, that's what people do after people die. Usually there's a sensitivity to it. Somebody goes through it and takes what they hold dear. But a lot of it is just sort of like, I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
That was all still there. That's interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
That's so wild. I thought that was an interesting part of, like, I didn't love the movie. Man on the Moon? Yeah. Because, you know, I like Milos' work. I love Milos. Yeah, he's great. And I think Jim Carrey did the best he could. Aber wie wirst du das machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Ja, und auch wenn du ihn studierst, wie wirst du das Wunsch, das er hat, finden?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, he went out of his way not to be cinematic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, because like there are times, I think, when you see him wo er alles auslöst. Es ist eine Art von Wunsch, aber es ist fast wie ein... Ein Akt. Ja, es ist ein Akt, aber ich denke, dass es für ihn einen echten Vergnügen gab in diesen Momenten. Und ich spekuliere. that when he was on stage not getting laughs on purpose, it's different than him actually being himself with Letterman for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Because it's still part of the act. It's part of the act, but I think the experience of Whoever is watching him or talking to him, having anticipation, and him having moments of like, I'm actually being me, and this is what they're waiting for.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, there's a few people that still want to hold on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
The one thing in the movie that I thought was kind of smart and well shot was there's a moment in the movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Where the way Milo shot the Philippine stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Where you sense watching the film that Andy knew this was a performance.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Thank God he did, because God knows what he would have been had he not done that. But the documentary is totally worth watching. It's called Thank You Very Much. And I believe it's available, it's now playing in theaters and it's available to watch on digital on-demand platforms. You can go to thankyouverymuch.drafthousefilms.com for more details. But it's a pretty great portrait and biography.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Oh, das ist interessant. Ja. Ja, weil, ich meine, ich denke, Foreman ging aus seiner Art, das zu suggerieren.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und auch wenn es nicht war, dass Andy es wusste, der Publikum... Bob und ich wussten es. Richtig, aber es war wie, es war etwas, was Andy hätte getan.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah. But the performative element of, it's not unlike wrestling, any sort of crackpot thing. Yeah. Wrestling is just the most honest. Right. And that must have been why that was his major work, is that you're not going to get more honest than wrestling somehow.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Yeah, because everyone knows the game. They do now. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that within that world, you know, the characters, you know, it's a hard thing to really explain, but it is the most honest entertainment. Because it's like, that's the bad guy.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Ja, es ist ein Spektakel davon. Ja. Also, wenn du über Andy denkst, was vermisst du am meisten?
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Well, I loved the movie and it was great to talk to you.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Oh, good. It was great to talk to you too. Yeah, I'm glad you're happy with the film.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
There you go. Thank you very much is now in theaters and available on digital platforms. Go to thankyouverymuch.drafthousefilms.com for more info. Hang out for a minute.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Hey Folks, for more about Andy Kaufman, we put together a WTF collection for full Marin listeners that's full of Andy stories from the people who knew him. Bob Zamuda, Mary Lou Henner, Carol Kane, Bud Friedman, Danny DeVito and more.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
of one of the great American artists of comedy, certainly. And in the doc, they even got, you know, Bob Zamuda to talk like a person and really just reflect on his friendship with Andy as opposed to continue mythologizing him and insinuating that he's still alive or what have you. And they talked to a lot of people who worked with him and people who had thoughts about him.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
That's the latest bonus episode available to Fullmarin subscribers. To sign up for the Fullmarin and get bonus episodes twice a week, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Boomer lives, monkey and lavanda, cat angels everywhere. Screwed up at the end.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
It's a pretty solid doc and I was happy I saw it. I'll be in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I'm coming to GLC Live at 20 Monroe on Friday, April 11th. And then Traverse City, Michigan. I'll be at the City Opera House on Saturday, April 12th. In Los Angeles, I'm at Dynasty Typewriter, Monday, April 14th. Am Donnerstag, April 26th und am Dienstag, April 29th. Das sind alle um 7.30 Uhr. Largo in L.A.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Ich habe ein 8.00 Uhr-Show am Dienstag, April 22nd. Dann komme ich nach Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire und dann Brooklyn für mein HBO-Special-Taping am Bam Harvey Theater am 10. Mai. Geh zu wtfpod.com für alle meine Dates und Links zu Tickets. Wenn du auf das HBO-Taping gehen möchtest, würde ich darauf eingehen. I think that the tickets are moving pretty quickly and there's not a ton left.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
In other news, let's get mundane. Let's get to the minutia. Let's get to what's happening in my immediate world. I'm finally back for a few days. And as I've talked about before, the problem with Charlie. The problem with Charlie. Charlie is my youngest cat. Charlie is an asshole. He's a spoiled brat and he's a troublemaker.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But on another level, when I leave town, he goes through profound stress that causes him to lash out at the other cats, causes him to vomit, causes him to shit all over the house. Diarrhoea with stress-induced colitis. And it's a problem. It's not a fun thing to come home to.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And once he was diagnosed with this stress-induced separation anxiety thing that manifests in all these different ways, the vet, and I've talked about this before, but we've moved forward a bit here. The vet prescribed Fluxetine. Is that what it is? Fluxetine Prozac. für den Katzen. Und wie ich vorhin erwähnt habe, habe ich meine eigenen Probleme mit mir, Prozac, auf den Katzen genommen.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Und es war eine aufwändige Gespräche. Und ich bin jetzt auch auf Medizin. For the first time in many years. With some confidence in it. But I really was concerned about Charlie's personality. I didn't want to mess with his asshole-ness. Now, look, when you have a cat, it's an odd relationship. Because they're all kind of crazy.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And they all go through periods of insanity that destroys your house one way or the other. Whether it's, oh, he's peeing too. outside the box when he gets stressed. Whether it's pee or vomit or destruction of furniture or when they get old, whether or not, how long to extend their lives with fluids. There's all kinds of different phases and their personalities change over time.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, nicks? What's happening? How are you? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. This is it. This is what I do. This and a few other things. How are you guys adjusting to authoritarianism? How's that going for you? At some point the despair and hopelessness and anger gives way to something.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
I've had a lot of cats. I know this. But there's something about the assholes that the longer they stay an asshole, the more, if you're like me, who's kind of a stubborn asshole-ish person at times, I like that. I like it to a point, you still get mad, but that's part of the dynamic, is being able to go, oh, fuck, Charlie, why'd you do this? Why is that a good thing? I don't know.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But I decided, since I do have a little travel coming up and maybe I didn't want to deal with all that nonsense, that I'd go ahead and do the Prozac. And that means you have to administer medicine to a fucking cat. And for some reason, no matter how far pet medicine comes, there's no easy way or delivery system to give cats fucking medicine. You can't give cats pills.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Maybe some people can, but I've never had a cat that I could give a pill to. I take it personally. I'm too... Ich anthropomorphiere zu viel. Aber ich kann den Prozac in Charlie. Also habe ich ihn zwei Tage aufgenommen. Jetzt sind es drei Tage. Und ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, dass ich, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe,
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
It's just ridiculous. And I have this conversation with Kit. I'm like, I don't want to lose him or change him. Even though cats change. And even though this is an issue that I don't want to deal with anymore. But I wasn't really thinking of the cat. Kit was like, look, he's not happy when he's shitting everywhere and peeing out of the box or throwing up or beating up on the other cats.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
You're providing... A happier life for him. And I just, you know, I still couldn't wrap my brain around it. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. That some part of me is sort of like, hey, you know, I mean, diarrhea literally everywhere in the house.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
In some surprising places I just found some diarrhea, dried diarrhea on top of the bookshelf where Charlie sometimes kind of goes if he's scared or Kip brings the The Bull Terrier over. So I look. I've come around to it. And but but today I went through like I was like, is he fucked up already? Is he like he seems lethargic? He seems like he's not happy. I don't know what to do.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And I call the vet and I want to know exactly what happens to cats on Prozac. It's it's a lot of energy. And and I think it's probably the best thing for him at least to try it since I'm going to be away a bit. Maybe he'll be more comfortable when I'm away. Buster is hissing at Charlie for days now. I don't even know what the fuck happened in this house.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Wenn ich das letzte Mal weg bin, aber es gab einen großen Kampf. Ich denke, mache ich Buster's Bidding? Ist Charlie der rechtvolle Alpha dieser kleinen Crew? Und jetzt, wie du weißt, ich habe, ich habe, ich habe seine Fähigkeit, darauf zu konzentrieren, das zu sein. Und Buster, ich bin nur, ich bin nur Buster King zu halten, was nicht schlecht ist, glaube ich.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Aber es tut, du weißt, es ist wie, was habe ich von Charlie genommen? Sieh, ich bin immer noch über es spiralieren. Es ist dumm. Außerdem habe ich gesagt, es muss eine Woche oder so sein, dass ich diese Medizin jetzt nehme. Busporin, Busporin, etwas wie das.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Aber ich habe entschieden, ich war fertig mit der Angst vor Panik und meinem Gehirn, das manchmal für Tage über Dinge, die nicht wahr sind, zu spiralen. They're possible, but they're not real. And it's a manifestation of intrusive thought, obsessional anxiety, whatever. But I decided to try the medicine. And it's been a week or so, and I think something's happening.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Some sort of adaptation. You can fight the fight as long as you want. Boycott the Tesla. Boycott the Amazon. Make a sign. Get out there and protest with a sign that says please just stop. This is fucking crazy. You know, bold letter crazy. Bold letter stop. So much coming at us at all times. Hard to be specific. All of it bad. Please just stop. This is fucking crazy.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
And it's surprising what's happening, because it gives me more confidence in the decision to take it. Like, it's one thing when you have, you know, cognitive problems like I do. Like, I know what's happening in my brain, and I know when it's happening. And I can make a choice. zu versuchen, es in einem kognitiven Weg zu stoppen.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
Was auch immer es ist, Meditation oder Übung oder versuchen, den Geräusch im Kopf zu stoppen oder präsent zu werden. Was auch immer die kognitiven Geräte sind, um diese Gedanken zu stoppen, die ich bewusst davon bin, dass sie passieren. But something seems to be happening on a deeper level, which I find interesting. And I got to talk to the shrink about it when I go back there to check in.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But I've noticed, and I don't know if it's possible, I've noticed that I'm breathing better. Now, I don't know where you hold your anxiety or stress or panic, but my chest tightens up. Always has. And all of a sudden I've noticed that I'm breathing better and also I'm sleeping better and deeper. And also according to my whoop watch, my recovery has been better than usual, which means less stress.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
So I think that this medicine is operating at a deep level on that part of my brain that is, you know, constantly in a certain amount of fight or flight, a certain amount of panic. And I hope that's true. I don't know what other people's experience are with this medicine, Busporin, Busporin.
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Episode 1631 - Lynne Margulies
But it seems to be that what I'm noticing before anything else is something at a level that is, you know, I cannot change cognitively. Deeper. And it's having real effects on my body. In the way of breathing easier and in the way of better recovery because apparently I'm not sleeping as stressfully or I'm not as stressed in general doing just life stuff. So that is positive.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
We'll get back to doing what me and Brendan do the best, which is this show, these conversations, the people we talk to. We'll deal with things as they come. And I will remain engaged. I will remain engaged with the people in here and you out there. And now I'm sort of 100% focused on putting my stand-up set together and moving towards... We can do it! We'll do this together, folks.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Whatever may come. Okay, so look. This show today is a collection of questions that have been asked across many of the Ask Mark Anything episodes we've done on the Full Marin. We've done 19 of them and just posted a new one this week. If you want to sign up for the Full Marin, just go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+. Here we go with your questions.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Are you standing at the edge? Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 Can't be good, but today's okay. How's that? Future's not looking great, but I'm having a good hour. Huh? Right? Well, look, I hope you got through safely. I hope everything's alright. I didn't do much. I don't usually do much. I certainly don't work. New Year's. I gave that up a long time ago.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Hahaha.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Here we go. It's time for Ask Mark Anything. Got a lot of questions. A lot. Let's get into it. Who is the drummer on your intro track? He rocks. Okay. Well, that guy, that's John Montagna, who does all the instruments in the WTF theme. We solicited listeners for a theme we got a long time ago, because we had to move away. We used the opening chords of... Ja, genau.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Does Sandler still not want to do the show? Look, I don't know anything about Adam Sandler or if that is an active not want to do. I mean, I've asked him and he said he would. It didn't happen. Sometimes things just get lost or they don't find time or or maybe he's being polite. But I can't say that he is actively not wanting to do the show. All I know is he hasn't done it. He's been pitched it.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I don't know if that pitch outside of the one that I made personally got to him. Or whether he really does this kind of thing outside of Stern or people that he's really close to in terms of talking on podcasts. Do you think character actors are more interesting and better conversationalists than leading men and women? Or are the leading actors just more guarded because they're more famous?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Actors, it's a crapshoot. You don't really know what's in there, and you're usually invested in them for roles they've played. And what you consider a character actor, I would say in general, the conversations I've had with real character actors are always pretty good. You know, John C. Reilly, Michael Shannon... Paul Giamatti, Stephen Dorff.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich würde sagen, ja, weil sie ein anderes Leben leben als Movie-Stars. Ich denke, Movie-Stars sind gerettet, aber Josh Brolin war ziemlich erstaunlich. Aber ich würde sagen, On a percentage basis, I would say probably character actors are not better guests, but they are better conversationalists or they live kind of interesting lives. Would you like to interview Taylor Swift?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Sure, I would like to interview Taylor Swift. It'd be interesting. I don't know what she's like in a long-form interview. I don't know that she'd ever do it, but she's certainly... One of the biggest performers on the planet. It would be interesting to talk to her. It's kind of amazing how any performer at that level, you know, does what they do.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I mean, you know, it takes a lot out of me just to do a show for a thousand people in, you know, Chicago. I don't know how you perform for 20,000, 30,000 people. I think music's different. But yeah, I'd like to talk to her. Why not? You mentioned in a recent episode that Willem Dafoe didn't like you, but I went back and listened to that episode and he seemed perfectly engaged. What did I miss?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I don't know. You missed how I was feeling in the room, how he was looking at me. Maybe it was just him. Far be it for me to project that stuff. I do that often. Would you ever sit down with Jon Stewart for a WTF episode? You two, for all your clashes many years ago, are very like-minded today in your cultural and political tone, conversations and beliefs. Yeah, I would, but I doubt he ever would.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And it wouldn't be fun. I recently listened to your Amy Mann episodes. In both episodes, Amy mentions that you should come over to the pool since they redid it. Have you been over there since those episodes aired? I have not. I ran into her at a restaurant recently. But no, I haven't been over. We haven't really been friends since then.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
How many guests roughly have you interviewed that didn't want the talk to be released? Conversely, are there any talks that WTF decided not to release? There's only been a couple where guests have said don't release it. Neil Brennan, the first time, the first one we did, he decided that I didn't give him the respect he deserved. And eventually we made up and did another one.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
David Fincher, I don't know why he didn't want it. Who knows? I don't know why. But we're sitting on that. There were some guests that asked us not to release the episode, but we convinced them it would be okay. There were a couple of those where they were just freaking out, a little insecure, looking back at it, wondering what they said. But they eventually relented and were fine.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
There were guests we chose not to air for various reasons. No reason to say who they were. It was not necessarily their fault. It just was what it was. Would you categorize the Fincher talk as a good talk or a great talk? It's a great talk. We talked for a long time. Never to be heard, I guess.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
What made you decide to start doing repeat guests for a full show and how do you decide who gets to come back to the garage? Well, it became apparent that after doing this since however long we've been doing it, which is a long time, what is it? It's like a long time, since 2009. So there are people that we interviewed early on that have had entire lives since we talked to them.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And it'd be silly not to be open to sort of kind of complete the arc, or at least this portion of their life. So that's one of the reasons. Another reason is, there are people that I like talking to. So a combination of those things is what decides whether they come back to the garage. Whether I like them and we had a rapport...
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
and mixed with how long it's been since I've been here, but sometimes people just like to hear me talk to people I know, and usually comics, so we figured, why not do more of that? Were there any talks you went into with low expectations and the guest exceeded them? Look, I gotta be honest with you, and I say this a lot, I never know what's gonna happen.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I don't know if my expectations are low, but I don't really know if most people can do what I want to do, which is have a loose conversation. I think one that comes to mind is Norm MacDonald. Because I didn't even know if he could talk like a regular person. A lot of people who are somewhat characters on stage or have a certain style, I just don't know.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Another good example is this past Monday, Melissa Villasenor. I always liked her. I worked with her all the time at the comedy store. I thought about having her on, but I didn't even know if she could have a full conversation. just by nature of what I thought her personality was, and I turned out to be wrong.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I was feeling a bit under the weather, so we just kind of hung out and watched a Mike Lee movie. I've been watching a lot of Mike Lee movies. That guy is the master. Every fucking movie, all the way back. I can't even, I can't tell you really a better movie than his first movie in a lot of ways. Bleak Moments.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Does it annoy you when a guest says they listen to your show all the time and then clearly know nothing about you? Yes, but I don't know who they think they're fooling. I can always tell when they say, yeah, I listen to your show, and they name an episode they listen to, and it's not last week's. I know they're lying. A lot of times, publicists or managers...
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
When someone says they'll do the show, they'll go pop out a couple. So sometimes they'll mention like two, thinking they're fooling me. But I know, I know the truth. Do you have any stories of times when you run into someone that you've interviewed in the real world and not recognized or remembered that you've interviewed them? Yes, that happens a lot. And I don't mention it.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Because I've done like, what, almost 1,500 of these? I don't mention it. Because I know usually I've interviewed most people. But sometimes... Ich weiß die Person, aber ich erinnere mich nicht, ob ich sie interviewt habe oder nicht. Aber ich habe die meisten Leute interviewt. The trickier thing is, do I approach people that I've interviewed thinking they'll remember me?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It used to be different, because I used to assume that was just sort of another interviewer that any... famous person has to deal with and that i wasn't put in any other kind of light just uh oh yeah i remember i do because i i'm like that i do a lot of press i don't really always remember who they are to be honest with you even if they're long interviews i remember one time i saw jack white at uh
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Um, at LAX. And I approached him, I'm like, hey man, uh, Mark Marin, I, I interviewed you once. And he was like, yeah, of course I know who you are. And I'm like, oh, all right, well, that's nice. War es eine gesellschaftliche Entscheidung, Live-WTFs zu stoppen, oder ist es einfach weggefallen?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Nun, wir haben diese primär gemacht, um einen Revenue-Stream für den Podcast zu schaffen, was es fast unmöglich war, damals, als wir das machten. Wir würden Menschen ermöglichen, Geld zu donatieren. Das wäre vor Patreon. And also the live WTFs were purchasable through a separate pay site. And also it was a big ordeal to get it done and it was really a different show.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So it was a mixture of fading away and also getting more ad money and shifting out of that economic model or that pay model. When you're on the road, do you take a portable podcast recording setup with you in the event you get a spontaneous opportunity to interview someone in their home city? I do.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I usually bring it in order to specifically record Monday's show or Thursdays, depending on how long I'm away. But always the opportunity is there. If it's there to interview somebody, I'll do it. It doesn't happen too often, but I do take the rig with me when I go out there. Do you ever listen to the produced version of the podcast to see what made it in and what editing liberties Brendan took?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Not really. I will listen to episodes that Brendan like thought came out amazing or that he did a miraculous job editing. Or if I can just tell that he was proud of the work. But generally I trust him a lot. 100%. Und er wird mir sagen, manchmal frage ich ihn einfach, hat das Ding es gemacht? Und er sagt, nein. Und ich sage, okay.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
He is a master of exploring and depicting the human condition with honesty and poetry and not the sort of jerk around of a story. Who needs a story when you just have the ebb and flows and tensions of human beings interacting with each other honestly? He's made some bigger movies, but man, yes, I'm going to talk to him. So I've been loading up on Mike Lee movies and that can go either way.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
What are your thoughts on so many celebrities starting interview podcast years after you and a few others brought it mainstream? Do you think it dilutes what you are doing when the same guest is having multiple long form discussions at the same time? I don't know. I don't pay attention to any of them. I don't listen to any podcasts. Brendan's on top of it sometimes.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But ultimately, it was like that at the beginning. It was even worse at the beginning of podcasting because there was only a handful of us. And especially with the comics, a lot of them would go from show to show.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I think the thing that I resent the most is that because of their peer group, some of these bigger celebrities have a lot easier access to certain other celebrities that I may want to interview and we can't just get to them. So that bums me out. But other than that, I don't know. I don't know what's going on out there. We do what we do and generally we do it differently.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Was there a specific point where you and Brendan realized WTF was going to pay all the bills or did it just sort of ease in? No, there was a point. You know, I was all in all the time, as was Brendan. But Brendan, you know, had to have another job because he has a family and he's smart and he doesn't. He's a responsible human being. So he had another job for the first. Oh, my God. Must have been.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Vier oder fünf Jahre mehr. Was? Wahrscheinlich, ja, wahrscheinlich fünf Jahre. Er hatte einen Job bis 2013 und er arbeitete geheim, als mein Partner auf WTF und editierte alles. Er machte den gleichen Job, er konnte einfach niemandem darüber sprechen. Es hat mich immer überrascht.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Because I always wanted to bring him up in interviews and I couldn't because he had a no-compete clause at his other job. So it was on the down low. And then in 2013 he said, look, I'm going to go full-time with WTF. And I said, hey man, you don't have to do that. Don't take any chances. I was freaked out. I'm like, you got a family, man. Look, I could lose everything. I don't care.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But don't do it, man. But he was like... Don't worry about me. I did the research. I know what I'm doing. And I'm like, all right. And that instilled a certain amount of confidence in me as well. Because I don't pay attention to numbers, really. So I don't know what the fuck is going on. But that was the point. One episode that has always stood out to me was Cheech and Chong.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Do you have any fond memories of that interview? I loved every second of that interview. That interview was amazing because I grew up with Cheech and Chong listening to their records and I couldn't believe I was going to get to interview them both together. And when I had the headphones on and they were just sitting there talking, they sounded exactly like Cheech and Chong.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It was fucking hilarious. What a great day that was. Okay, well, let's go down the list. A Bringer Show is basically a show where in order to get on stage, you have to bring people. Usually there's a number of people, friends, family, whatever. But that is what gets you your spot, is if you bring audience, paying audience members. What is the difference between a feature spot and a headliner?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
The feature spot is either the middle spot, which is the one between the opener and the headliner, or the first act on a two-person show, say at a theater. Someone's featuring for you. That's usually how it's used. Like the opener is usually in a club. The person who does like five, ten minutes up front brings and hosts the show generally. And then the feature is the next act or the middle.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
The middle act... is essentially the act between the opener and the headliner. Closer. A closer is somebody who closes the show. Now, obviously, if you're at a club, the closer would be the headliner or on a long show or like maybe there's five acts on who's closing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So, yeah, it's the same as a headliner, but not always, because it could be just on a show where everybody's doing the same amount of time and somebody's got to close. So like, when am I going on? You're closing. Right. So. And yes, a closing bit is a closing bit. What's your closer? Closing bit. Can you expand about why the night of the Chevy Chase roast was such a bad night for you personally?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Many of them are not what I would call uplifting. They're honest, but they're not uplifting. Let's talk about movies, but let's do some business first. Happy New Year. Did I say that already? We'll do what we can. Look, today... One of the regular things we've been doing since we started the full Marin Bonus Feed in 2022 is a series called Ask Mark Anything, me being Mark.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I had to write a bunch of jokes. My ex-wife Mishna wrote a couple jokes. And it was before the roasts were really a thing. But the bottom line was, it was a huge dais. There were just, it seemed like a hundred people on it. Many of them had nothing to do with roasting. The audience was huge. It was at the Hilton, I think, in New York City. And they were eating. And it was just a flat night.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Chevy didn't really want to engage or be there. Everyone was bombing. And I just had a very hard time bombing that hard in front of that many people and my peers. And it just kind of sent me spiraling into a kind of, not a nervous breakdown, but it was embarrassing. It was hard to bomb that hard. Look, they made it look good, but it just felt like a very public humiliation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Now, granted, any bomb is that in a way, but you do get used to it. But I just didn't feel... It just felt like a very almost... Ich habe mich in einem sehr tiefen Weg verletzt. I have to assume there are some comics you don't enjoy as much as others without or with naming names. What is it about certain comics that you don't enjoy? Perhaps type of material or stage presence or something else.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Well, I don't like not being able to see somebody's being. You know, I don't like people that are so distant from their material or from their style that I can't get a sense of who they are. I don't like hackney jokes. I don't like comics that don't have very good material in terms of originality or how it's executed. I don't like people that aren't necessarily interesting or innately funny.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I can appreciate a pretty broad spectrum of comedy, but I like to see, I like it to be a full, fully realized thing, both on behalf of the comic and his or her or their connection to the material. I don't like people that do cheap comedy or just, I can even handle a little bit of hackiness from comics if they at least approach it in a different way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It's really a mixed bag of why I register people as being not funny or I can't watch it. Sometimes I'm embarrassed for them. Sometimes I feel like it's hard for me to watch. There's a few different reasons. To the best of your knowledge, what are the demographics of your audience? Have they shifted at all throughout your career? Do you have thoughts on why your audience is who it is?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Well, early on I didn't have an audience and after the podcast I had some people who were kind of left over from my political radio show on Air America and they were still around. But then a new group of people, podcast fans, came and they didn't really know me as a stand-up. And they used to say they would come to support me, which I didn't need.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I've noticed that my fans are either sort of sensitive and intelligent younger people who kind of get where I'm coming from. People my age, couples and men. I used to see a lot of men coming to my shows alone. Just because I imagine that their friends didn't know who I was. I think those two groups are still with me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So today's episode is made up of a collection of my answers to listener questions. It's basically like I'm the guest on today's episode and you folks are interviewing me. And just in case people are wondering why we do episodes like this around the holidays, there are a few reasons, I will tell you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But it's usually intelligent people, like-minded people, grown-ups who tip well and behave. It's a real blessing. I'm very grateful for the audience that I've built over the years since I started the podcast. Do you have guitar face? Riff smirk? Do you make funny faces during playing? Or are you consciously trying to stay cool? And in your opinion, who has the best funniest guitar face? Huh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I have seen footage of me playing and I do do a thing. There is definitely a guitar face there. It's not too dramatic. It's not forced. It does happen naturally. I'm very rarely consciously trying to stay cool. I can't seem to pull that off. But something does happen when you're sort of in it. And it happens to me. It's not particularly funny or over the top, but it's definitely there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I think the coolest guitar player still, for the most part, is probably Keith Richards, because he does something with his whole body that Das ist ein bisschen zurückgelegt. Es ist ein bisschen ein langer Groove-Ding. Und sein Gesicht ist immer cool. Er lehnt sich zurück oder lehnt sich in Dinge ein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und ich denke immer noch, als jemand, der seine Gitarre in einer ziemlich ehrgeizigen Weise auslöst, wenn er nicht wirklich ein Showboat-Ding macht, muss es Keith sein. Das lustigste Gesicht der Gitarre, einfach auf dem Kopf, ich denke, dass Jimmy Page, so cool wie er scheint, Er hat eine sehr faszinierende und lustige Gitarren-Face und auch Physikalität, wenn er Gitarre spielt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Wenn er übersteht und seine Beine verbreitet sind, ist er cool. Aber er hat definitiv eine lustige Gitarren-Face. Aber das sind nur die, die mir aufmerksam sind. Ich bin mir sicher, wenn Sie mich ein paar von mir anrufen, könnte ich andere, weißt du, andere Vorschläge machen, was die beiden besten und lustigsten Gitarren-Faces sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Would you like to make a movie about your time as a door guy at the Comedy Store in Sam Kenison days? No. I don't know where that movie would go. I mean, and it would have to, if we were to really do it right, the scenes of us doing Coke at the house, at the table, they would have to be like, you know, 18 hours long. I'd actually like to see that, in a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
What the fuck could we have been doing, you know, from 2.30 in the morning till 10 the next morning? What could we have been doing? What could we have been talking about? Has that ever been documented? Like straight through? Just a table full of people doing blow for like eight or nine hours? I'd like to do that movie. Be like an Andy Warhol film. It'd be some sort of marathon.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
For one, people are out of their routines during this time of year, so regular listening gets disrupted. And so things will get back to normal next week. And also, it's not a great proposition for guests. If someone's coming on because they're promoting something, they don't want their episode to air when people are out of their listening habits.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Just to see what it would look like. I'd like to see a documentary of that. Have you underachieved, overachieved, or achieved exactly what you'd hoped? Huh. That's a good question, because I don't know if I see myself as an underachiever in terms of what I've actually accomplished. I do see myself as an underachiever in terms of what I think I should have or could have accomplished.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But those don't really count, because I've accomplished a lot. In the sense that, I don't know that I've overachieved, but I have achieved exactly what I wanted to do. I don't know if it's what I hoped I would do, but I've sort of slowly... Ich habe die meisten der Dinge gemacht, in denen ich interessiert war und wollte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und die Grund, warum ich hoffe, ist, weil ich nicht weiß, dass meine Visibilität in Bezug auf mein Ego so groß ist, wie ich es gehofft hätte. Aber ich habe es tatsächlich irgendwie geschafft, fast alle Dinge zu tun, die ich mir vorgestellt habe, als ich in den Show-Business kam. i.e.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
having my own show, doing stand-up comedy, directing some episodes of that show, playing music, acting in movies, and, well, obviously this podcast, but that was an outlier. I didn't expect this to happen at all. So I guess I have achieved exactly what I wanted to,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I don't know if hoped is a good word, because I'm not sure I have framed it properly most days, that I feel like I could have not done more, but gotten more attention. So that hope didn't happen and it's probably better off. Since you're currently in a relationship with a woman in her 30s, do you ever worry that you could get stuck with a kid? Well, you know, it's something we discuss.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And Kit is really pretty clear about not wanting kids. We're both very involved with animals. When I met her, she worked at an animal shelter. She just got a new kitten, Maven, who's a half-sibling of Charlie. And we've talked about it, but I'm pretty clear that I don't want them. And she... Ja. Have you been asked why you're never happy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I'm asked that question all the time and each time I'm genuinely offended. Well, I've done jokes about that. I mean, I don't know what happy is. It's like, are you happy? I never really saw happiness as a goal. And I guess a lot of people do. I'm aspiring to okayness. So I've gotten that question plenty of times in my life. I don't know if I get... Okay. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Hahaha.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So instead of skipping the week or re-airing an older episode, it's a good time to highlight some of the stuff we've been doing over there on the full Marin for you. So this is a collection of Ask Mark Anythings. And yeah, enjoy it. Maybe I'll answer a question that you have been wanting to ask me. Also, it's almost time for my tour dates to start again.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Well, where it comes from for me is almost paralyzing insecurity and also from that comes paranoia and from that comes self-consciousness and from that comes projection in terms of what you think other people are thinking about you, because a lot of times they're not thinking about you at all.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But generally I'm a lot harder on myself and I think people see me in a way that I see myself, which is not always great. but they don't really see that. The friends I have see me for who I am and the good parts of me because usually I'm comfortable to show those parts with those people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I think all that stuff comes from just, you know, not tremendous parenting or given a sort of grounded sense of self. You're always going to be a little paranoid, a little hyper imaginative about your impact on things and people and also just tremendously self-conscious. So it's sort of a curse.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But as I get older, I also realize like, yeah, I'm definitely not as bad as I think I am or as awkward and fucked up as I think I am. And also many people only see, you know, the part of me that is genuine. And there's more of that lately. So I don't know. I have a little more self-acceptance. Yes, I don't think it's like waking up in the middle of the night.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But after a stand-up show or after something on the podcast, I have to kind of accept that I said it and live with the decision. Usually I don't regret it, but I don't always know why I do it. And I do feel a little exposed by it. But that is... A big part of how I do what I do inside your comedian brain. What is the difference between you standing on stage trying to make a live audience laugh?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You sitting alone with a microphone trying to make your podcast audience laugh and you in private conversation trying to make an individual friend laugh? Or is it all the same to you? No, they're all very different. You know, when you're on stage, you know, that's your purpose, that's your intent and you're moving towards them and, you know, it's very immediate and that is the job of the comic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You want to get laughs where you decide to get them. Sometimes it's impulsive, sometimes it's improvised, but generally that is your job. You get up there and you focus and you do the job and the craft of making the audience laugh. And there is... A version of me that lives up there. These versions are not that different.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Sitting alone with a microphone here, I'm not that as conscious of trying to make people laugh and I wouldn't say that I'm always funny. I think that I'm more varied. I would say I'm less funny here than the other... certainly on a stand-up mic. I know when I've got something funny to say and I know how to innately pace it, but it's not my intent on this mic to be funny all the time. I can relax.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
In private conversation, well, look, man, if I've got a friend and you're kind of riffing it out, you're going back and forth, they say something, I say something, so it's more spontaneous, it's more exciting, it's part of the exchange. And I think that is where the idea of being naturally funny becomes very apparent.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It does on the stand-up stage as well in improvising, but in conversation where you're kind of in an interaction, a relationship, in a conversation. And it kind of moves the conversation along or adds something to it. You know, I do it a lot with Sam, with Jerry, all my friends. I like making those guys laugh. And sometimes out of those conversations comes great ideas for stand-up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I'll be in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater. Friday, January 10th, Napa at the Uptown Theater on January 11th, Fort Collins. at Lincoln Center Performance Hall, Friday, January 17th. Be in Boulder at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 18th. I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. I'll be in San Luis Obispo I've been corrected.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Not directly, but, you know, sometimes we're talking about humor. But they're all very different, the things that you... Ja. Within five months. The thing with Kit has evolved. We didn't know it would keep going. We were in the middle of COVID. I was paralyzed with sadness. She was dealing with her own grief around things in her life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It was more of a companionship thing that we didn't have very big expectations of, out of, or if any. Und es ging so lange so weiter. Und dann wurde es ein bisschen tiefer und es wurde ein bisschen größer. Aber es ist noch da und ich kann darüber frei sprechen. Und sie hat ein volles Verständnis davon. Ja, es kommt manchmal auf. Have you made a will? If so, who are you leaving everything to?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Well, I just redid my will and a good portion will go to my brother if he lives. I've given a nice chunk of change to some people who are important in my life, good friends. I've also left Brendan a large sum if it still exists when I do die to disperse to charities that at that time are currently in need. And I've left my records to Dan at the record store.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Where and when are you able to find peaceful moments in your life? I don't know. I can find them anywhere. You know, I like sitting around playing guitar. I like being out here, sitting here. I like my couch. Sometimes I like hiking up the mountain. I like sitting on my porch. I do like sitting on the porch sometimes. I liked it more when I was smoking cigars.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But yeah, I can find peaceful moments on my couch. I can find them anywhere. My car. They don't last long. Here, I'll do one for you now. That was good. Did you feel it? That's a good one. I find a tremendous amount of peace cooking. That is something I do often. I like to do it. I like to have the food I like to eat. But I do like cooking.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And as a matter of fact, I'm going to cook a banana bread right now. A vegan banana bread. Because I got three almost rotten bananas. And I'm looking forward to it. What is the best sandwich you've ever made? Shit, I don't know. That's a good question. The best sandwich I ever made.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I used to enjoy making a patty melt for reals, you know, with a good burger and Swiss cheese and fried onions, fried nice and brown on rye bread, crispy toasted rye bread or grilled rye bread. You get the patty. You put the bread into the butter or oil in the pan on one side. Put the slices of cheese on each one. Get them good and fucking toasty. Put the patty in there already cooked.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And then the grilled onions. And then put the other piece on top. And then press it a little bit. That's a pretty good fucking sandwich. Really good sandwich. I do enjoy the post-Thanksgiving turkey chopped liver sandwich, sometimes with a little cranberry sauce. That's a pretty good sandwich. Do you snack at the movies? Yeah, I'll have a big popcorn, no butter, giant Diet Coke.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
That's California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. And Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, February 1st. I know these first couple of dates are going to be with Ali Makovsky. We've got to decide whether we want to drive up. Das war's für heute. Bis zum nächsten Mal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Since you've been sober, what is the absolute closest you've come to drinking or taking drugs again? I don't think I've come close to drinking. I don't think I've come close to cocaine or weed. The closest I've come is the moment where you have pain medicine prescribed for pain, but you know the pain's not as bad anymore. Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I do know that pain meds, when I've gotten surgery or something like that, they work. So I have taken oxycodone when I had my tooth ripped out of my head, but just one. And then eventually I throw them out. But they do linger in the cabinet longer than they should. I'm curious what your relapse back into drugs and alcohol many decades ago was like and what precipitated it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I know you have 20 plus years of sobriety now, but you've been in the recovery community for a long time. I just think your answer might be helpful to the newcomer. Well, I don't know what if there was a precipitating factor. I think that when I first got sober, oh, very early on, when I got sober after, the first time I got sober was 1988.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You know, and I'm coming up on 24 years and it's, what is it, 2023. So do the math. You know, it took me a long time to put together the years in a row. But the first time I got sober, I went into rehab because I was, you know, psychotic from sleep deprivation and cocaine abuse. And, you know, just to get out of the... I got into rehab and... Afterward, I didn't really lock into the program.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I went to a few meetings when I went back to New York. And then I just kind of didn't do anything. And I stayed sober for about a year and a half. And then that was sort of the pattern. You know, I'd go out for a year or two and then I'd stay sober for a year and a half. But it wasn't until the last time I got sober, really, in 99.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
that I really learned how to take in the program, understand the program, use the program, understand powerlessness, work the steps. It wasn't until 99 that I really did that. And within that year or two, upon getting sober in the late 90s, I was in and out a bit, but not much and not for very long. I didn't really relapse. Once 99 came along, that was it.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And I just did what I was supposed to do. I listened to the suggestions. I went to meetings at least once a day for years. I got sponsors. And it was just a matter of doing the work. And also it was helpful that I met a lot of people in the program. The woman who became my second wife in a disastrous marriage got me sober. And I think a lot of... Now this is a big question. I have never heard...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
of the condition of attachment trauma. So I had to look it up. And I definitely have that. I'll read you the definition here from the Internet. Attachment trauma is considered to be a traumatic experience an infant or child has when a primary caregiver does not or cannot provide adequate care, affection and comfort. So...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
That is the core of my emotional foundation, is that both of my parents were not Really capable at any type of safe selflessness or nurturing type of care. My mother was very self-involved. My father was completely self-involved. And neither one of them really kind of lived up to the emotional responsibility of being parents.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
My mother, I believe, resented my brother and I. There are incidents with my brother where, you know, he was crying and she would just, you know, lock him in a bedroom because she couldn't handle it. Turns out he had a milk allergy. And there are just a lot of different stories. And I've talked about this with my mother. So, but seeing it written out like this, Attachment Trauma,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And looking at it, is attachment trauma PTSD is a question here on the Internet. Attachment disorders are nearly always a symptom of C-PTSD, complex post-traumatic stress disorder. Oftentimes looks like this. Attachment issues and relationship struggles, intimacy issues, flashbacks, mood swings, anxiety, depression, addiction issues, eating disorders, personality disorder traits.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
That sounds to me a lot like borderline. And I think that would also probably fall under the umbrella of this. But I have certainly had a lot of these. Relationship struggles, intimacy issues, flashbacks, mood swings, anxiety, depression, addiction issues, eating disorders, personality disorder traits. Yes. Check, check, check, check, check. This is... All relative to attachment trauma.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I imagine there's degrees of it. My parents were present, but they just saw me as extensions of themselves and their own sort of concern, panic, worry, anger. And it really left me emotionally crippled in some respects. And you're asking me, you know, I've had to break this down. I like that you gave me this new term, this new language, attachment trauma.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I'm also coming to Iowa, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois and Michigan. You can go to WTFpod.com slash tour for all of my dates. So my New Year's was pretty low key. It's always the way. I don't know if I already said this, but I don't work on New Year's and I was feeling a little under the weather. So we just...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I've dealt with it in a lot of different ways. I'm hyper aware of it. I found the Fantasy Bond by Robert Firestone very helpful. I found Sobriety very helpful. But the truth of the matter is, no. I don't think I have healed. I don't know if I will. I've worked hard on accepting who I am. And I've certainly worked hard on awareness around it.
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And certainly my addiction issues are not the drugs that I used to do. But I'm very compulsive about caffeine. And now I'm sort of back on nicotine a bit with the lozenges. I've had sexual compulsion. I've had very...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Certainly an eating disorder and certainly anxiety in like I don't know, you know, sadly, you know, the people that you attract and that you're connected to when you have trauma are going to be people with trauma in various forms of recovery or unrecovery as you are. And a lot of that kind of leads to relationship issues. My intimacy issues I'm aware of.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I'm aware that I have a hard time receiving love because I can't really fundamentally trust it. I don't have a hard time showing up for people or being supportive or being there for them. But to really sort of let myself love people is tricky. And I've sort of taken the path of least resistance path. In some cases.
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I'm getting old and I'm not wired for the drama of like-minded people, even though the emotions can be strong. And I don't know if I'm ever going to heal. I think I've healed, but I don't know if I'm ever going to overcome them and become a functioning emotional person. You know, what comes with acceptance is also the idea that I'm old or older.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And I don't know if I want to go through what it would take to sort of try to, you know, learn how to be loved and learn how to love, you know, with a full open heart. Even though people say it's amazing, I don't know. Maybe it is, but I don't know. I don't seem to be doing the work... That would get me there, but I do seem to have a certain amount of self-acceptance. I don't know.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So, yes, I have healed to a degree, but I've also become a bit callous, I guess, or not callous, a bit shut down maybe, or a bit sort of, I've surrendered to maybe not doing the work but I think I've healed in the way of self awareness and behavior for the most part but I don't know if I got back what I lost or what I never had What is your retirement plan? Will you ever retire?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I seem to think I will. I do feel like I could. I don't know if that's real. My retirement plan right now is to get permanent residency in Canada, which is like a green card. If I spend two out of five years up there, I can get healthcare and also work. And there's a lot to work up there. I don't see it as giving up my citizenship. But in my mind, it's a fantasy. It's a retirement fantasy.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I cooked some pasta, we watched a movie, you know, I kind of festered in mild illness, just a cold. But over the last week I've been doing shit. I think it's a natural thing for New Year's, even if you don't plan on doing it, is to do some shit around the house or around your life or, you know, kind of get ready. Mark the transition by what did I do? I cleaned up all the rat shit in my basement.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And yeah, I do feel like I would like to wind down. I feel like I would like to detach from show business entirely sometimes, if I could, if I had the willpower. How do you cope with getting older? You interviewed a bunch of older folks and they seemed at peace with their age. Did you take away any useful advice? I seem to acknowledge that I'm getting older. I can see that I'm getting older.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I'm kind of fascinated with the idea that I'm getting older. I do feel my body. Ja. Ja. Ja. Do you have any phobias? It doesn't need to be clinically recognized. Just anything that particularly scares you or creeps you out. I don't like being scared by things in the moment, but there's very few things that I'm scared of in a way that is sort of ongoing.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I don't like being startled by wild animals. Insekten, Menschen. Aber das ist nicht wirklich eine Phobie. Ich würde sagen, dass meine längste und bemerkenswerte Phobie ist, dass ich Wasser nicht sehen kann, die Boden. Große Wälder Wasser oder sogar kleinere Wälder Wasser, die zu tief sind, um mich zu beurteilen. Ich denke, ich habe eine Angst vor dem. Ich liebe nicht fliegen.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich habe Angst davor, aber ich musste es akzeptieren und mit dem leben. I love the idea of plummeting out of the air. I have a terrible fear of being T-boned in my car. There was an accident that happened in Albuquerque, where a drunk driver was barreling down a side street so fast, ran a stop sign and struck, broadsided another car, but drove right through it.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It hit it and soared over it and decapitated four people in it. I have a very... Being t-boned in a car is really my day-to-day most active fear. Because I'm not out on the ocean all the time. I don't like flying over water either. That's a double whammy. Ich bin so fürchtet. Die Kombination von Fliegen und Fliegen über große Böden von Wasser ist einfach furchtbar für mich.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Die Idee, in die Wasser zu crashen und einfach in einen Seat zu befestigen, am, du weißt, am Boden des Ozeans, ist, ist wahrscheinlich metaphorisch die leiblichste Bildung. I can possibly even think of. Even though I'll be dead. But that one really gets me. I gotta do a lot of fucking be in the moment kind of stuff. A lot of self-talk flying over those large bodies of water.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I found out my 16-year-old cat Vinny has a bone tumor on his leg. He has arthritis, so amputation isn't an option. The vet told me he has maybe six months. I'm 30, so you can imagine the emotional connection I have to a cat that I've had for more than half my life. I've never had to put an animal down before.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I'm working hard to be present and enjoy this time, but the anticipatory grief is too much some days. Do you have any advice for this kind of grief or how to cope until that awful day? Well, no. No, there's no advice. Because what's happening and what happened to me in these situations is I sort of made my cats hang on for as long as I could.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und ich denke, dass neben deiner vorgesehenen Schmerzen die Realisierung ist, dass es die richtige Sache ist, um es zu tun. Und eventuell wird das sehr offensichtlich werden. Und du wirst einfach realisieren, dass es wahrscheinlich seltsam ist, sie lebendig zu halten. Und dass sie okay sind, tot. Und sie sind nicht Menschen. Sie erleben das nicht in der gleichen Weise, wie du bist.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I got my power back out. Some listener made me very paranoid about Ratchet in general and vacuum cleaners and bugs and viruses and things that, you know, I could inhale and die from. So I wore a bit of a mask most of the time. And, you know, I think it might have been generational. Generations of Ratchet down there.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And, you know, you're doing something loving and you're doing something necessary. It's the hardest part about owning pets. And I grew up with a mom that was very not present for it. She'd just drop them off and have them put down. But lately, for the last two cats I had put down, I was there with them and held them while it happened. Which is... Closure, and it's horrible, but it's pretty good.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You feel like you're there from right up to the end. But there's nothing to do about that anticipatory grief other than know that you're doing the right thing. And you'll sense when it's time. Because they will have had enough. And they've lived a pretty good long life. You gave them a good life. It's okay. It'll be sad for a while. And you'll always remember that guy. But
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
There's plenty of kittens around, pal. I'm about 30 and I've been dealing with a lot of things like career stress, identity issues, depression, etc. I've had a couple of older individuals in my life tell me that it gets easier when you're into your late 30s, 40s and beyond. Would you agree with this? Do you have any advice to make these years easier? Well, look, I mean...
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It does get easier, but there's core things that will have an effect on your perception and disposition that are kind of deeply wired into you. And they'll fuck you up all the time. They're just there to cause instability and doubt. But you learn how to sort of manage those. I would say that, and I've said this before, that the one regret I have is... Ich war so hart auf mich selbst.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und es klingt, als ob du hart auf dich selbst bist. Und ich weiß nicht, ob es eine Art ist, nicht hart auf dich selbst zu sein. Aber viele der Dinge, die dich jetzt verursachen, werden sich natürlich lösen. Es wird einfach aus dem... Du wirst es nicht mehr wissen und es ist keine Wahl.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So a lot of things you can't have answers for where you're at, but they will resolve themselves for better or for worse. So maybe be a little less hard on yourself and try to engage with the stuff that interests you and not, you know, be so, don't beat the shit out of yourself about all these things that seem so important. Because the reason why it gets a little easier is that in your thoughts,
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich weiß nicht, ob das hilfreich ist. Es könnte helfen, weil die Antwort auf diese nächste Frage zu diesem Thema verbunden ist. Wie bekommst du dich dazu, die Dinge zu tun, die du nicht willst? Ich habe Kitt gesagt, und es ist ein Habit, den ich in meinem Kopf habe, wenn ich etwas nicht machen will, sind das die Dinge, die einfach unerfüllt sitzen.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Kitt hat mich die letzte Nacht überrascht, weil ich, wenn ich etwas sehe, das gemacht werden muss, mich normalerweise nur überrascht und es tut. It's just the way I am now. Like, just so it doesn't stick in my craw or annoy me or get me obsessed. But things you don't want to do, I find, obviously you have to do them, is really consider how much time it's going to take you.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And we foamed up, I told you, we put the foam in the hole, so I haven't seen any rats, they haven't showed up in the trap, so I did find one fairly, what's a mummified carcass from many years ago, maybe the original rat of the basement. But I cleaned all that up, I got rid of a lot of shit down there, and just tidied up, went through my stuff, tightened some things around the house, some...
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Because a lot of times there are little things that are just annoying. Even if you're one of those people that you can't make your bed. Like I make my bed every day. I never think not to make my bed. But if you have little things, even things that aren't so little, just really kind of think, how long is this going to take me really? This thing. And a lot of times it's like 10 minutes, 15 minutes.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Even if it's an hour, like working out. What's a fucking hour? What's a half hour? What's 15 minutes? What's 10 minutes? Just realize that you don't want to do it. You fucking hate it. But it's only going to take you 13 minutes. And it'll be done. Maybe that'll help you. I'm writing a series of children's books to promote mental health and wellness in the shitshow that is modern times.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
What are some important topics you think should be addressed? Well, I used to do jokes about this, but you don't want to diminish a kid's spirit. in Bezug auf das, was wir im echten Weltraum sehen. Aber ich denke, ein Premium sollte darauf geachtet werden, dass man versteht, dass das Leben manchmal schwierig und manchmal furchtbar ist.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Und manchmal gibt es keine Antworten auf Fragen, die man Antworten auf möchte. And also sometimes you have to realize in the moment that you like what you're doing and that it's important to you. And also, I think it's important to understand that sadness is part of life, as is happiness, and as is sort of learning things.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I guess these are all pretty normal children's book stuff, but I wouldn't know how to handle death or sickness and stuff, but I think it's all in there. I think it's just trying to be funny and earnest, but not overbearing about the difficulties of the reality of life and somehow try to make them perky. That's what I do in my comedy for grown-ups.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
In the future, after you've passed, somebody will discover WTF and become a devoted fan like the rest of us. What's your message to that person? Well, there's a... There's very little that you won't know about me from all the work I've done. I've done all I can. I've done the best I could. And there's a lot of it. And if it sticks, welcome. And also, I'm saying this from the grave perspective,
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Which is exciting because it's being recorded. And that's just exactly who I am. I'm now talking to you from the grave. Just talking. How would you describe yourself using only three words? What is that? Is that a standard question? I don't know. How about I'm almost there? I'm almost there. Thanks for the questions, folks.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Toilette-Paper-Roller und, you know, I kind of, I bought a drying rack. That was a big purchase. A drying rack. I'm living large over here. I got a drying rack at Target. I went to Target the day after fucking New Year's. It was busy. But I stuck in. I bought a drying rack. Nice one. I think it's bamboo. Now I can, yeah, because I don't dry shirts.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Hey, Full Marin Listeners get new Ask Mark Anything episodes every few weeks. We just released a new one today, so here's a little bit of that. What was your experience visiting the Criterion Closet? Did they reach out to you? What is the conversation before you go in there? Could you back up a truck and just say, load it up?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
No, I mean, they asked me to come on and I think it was connected to some sort of premiere or something, but I went over there to Criterion. Yeah, they invited me. No, you know, they show you the closet. It's just one person with a camera and they suggest that maybe you pull some stuff before, you know, get a sense of what's in there and decide, you know, kind of what you want before you pull it.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Or else you're going to get overwhelmed and not know what to pull. I imagine you could back up a truck, but I don't know what your life is like, but I've got more shit that I know what to deal with. I've got boxes of DVDs that I don't even watch anymore. I don't have an organized library. I don't generally need more shit.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So the stuff I got, you know, I was curious about or I wanted to own, but I didn't want to overdo it, but they don't really put a limit on you. So I guess you could pull a truck up. If you want all the Ask Mark Anything episodes and all the other bonus episodes we release twice a week, just go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
On Monday, we've got Adrian Brody. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Here we go. Boomer lives. Monkey and the Fonda, cat angels everywhere. I'm sweating.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich leckere nicht T-Shirts, ich lecke sie nicht in den Dresher, ich denke nur, dass es sie brennt, es kocht sie, es macht sie schlecht. Also Drying Rack, das ist mein großer Verkauf für das neue Jahr. As opposed to just hanging them on chairs all around my house. Also, a little update on the plaid shirts. They've entered the Goodwill ecosystem. I appreciate all you people wanting them.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
A bit of the history. But I decided, you know, I thought, well, maybe I could sell them. Maybe I could get Dean to sell them. Maybe I could bring them over to a vintage place. Maybe I could start packing them up and giving them to people, but I decided, hey, if these are cool things that I've got to offer, let somebody have that moment of goodwill. I mean, if you're a goodwill shopper,
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And you're doing it because you're looking for cool shit, not because you can't afford clothing. Sometimes it's nice to be like, holy shit, look at this. I can't believe I found this. I want to spread that joy. If people even like the kind of shit that I like, that they may find one of those things and be like, god damn, how often do you find good shit at Goodwill anymore?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But then again, this is my ego talking. I think that, yeah, my shit's cool, but who knows? It just could be... Old man, you know, cusp, boomer, gen-x, cusp, flannel shirt bullshit. I don't know, but they've re-entered the ecosystem. What else did I do on New Year's?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I've been cooking my ass off like I own a restaurant because I'm finally, I finally feel like I'm home for a bit and even the gigs I have coming up are, you know, around California. So I just kind of dug in and cooked for the week and, you know, Das ist das andere Ding, das Garbage-Event des neuen Jahres. Zeit, das Scheiß wegzuholen.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich werde durch jeden Raum gehen und alles entfernen, was ich in einem Jahr oder zwei nicht genutzt habe. Ob es ein Nahrungsprodukt ist, ein Kleidungsprodukt, ein Appliance-Produkt. Es muss alles losgehen, Mann. Es muss alles losgehen. Ja, ich mag es nicht, wenn ich kalt bin, weil ich nicht exercizieren kann. Und dann ging ich raus und exercizierte und fühlte mich nicht gut darüber.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Aber egal, Mann. Whatever, it's the new year. My resolution for the new year is to act like I'm in the final fucking quarter here. I'm in the end zone. Time to give the zero fucks in some ways and just do what I want to do and live the life I want to live and not let my brain drag me down every day. How about that?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
How about try to differentiate between what's happening in your fucking brain and what's happening in reality and stop thinking about what's happening on your phone. Look out for that dopamine charge. Look out for that dopamine distribution system you hold in your hand every day. God damn it. Look, reality is not thrilling, but it is reality.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? What's going on? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. Welcome to the year 2025. What a year it's going to be, I foresee. I don't know how you're feeling. I don't know what you did. How was your New Year's? Did you go out? Did you stay in? Did you ruminate?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
So between my phone and my brain, I'm stuck in the middle of bullshit. But... Alright, so let's try to, I'm gonna try to like, you know, reel it in on both sides and get grounded. There's a lot happening in my life that is very human and very tragic and very grounding in the way that I have to show up. I have to show up for some stuff.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Aber abgesehen davon, ist es nur Zeit, zu bemerken, wie viel Zeit ich noch habe. Wer weiß, wie viel Zeit und wie die Dinge kulturell verändern werden. Aber, du weißt, ich muss festhalten, ich bin fucking 61, dass, du weißt, mach es jetzt, Kumpel. Mach es jetzt. Was auch immer das ist. Leider ist es oft so, dass ich nur koche und Gitarre spiele und Rekorde höre und, du weißt, Schäden tue.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Is that weird? Is that living it? Are you kidding me, man? I cleaned that rat shit out of my basement and I felt like, man, that was fucking awesome, just to look at all that cleanness. Some people hire people to do that. Why deprive yourself of the joy of finishing that? Huh? I know how to live, folks. It's not about buying things. It's not about owning things.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
It's not about jumping out of planes. It's about simple, mundane tasks that you can finish and eat or throw away. Right? There you go. There's some Buddha wisdom. So, movies. I've been watching a lot of movies, as I said earlier, a lot of Mike Lee movies, which are just fucking profound.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I've seen a lot of the movies that might be nominated for Oscars, and I don't know if you want my opinion or how deep I'll go into any of these things, but I'll run through this little list in front of me just for the fuck of it. But I did go see Nosferatu, and...
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
You know, Kit's a big horror fan and she doesn't like vampires and I, you know, I can take it or leave it, but I do like that fella Eggers, the director, and I've liked all his fucking movies. And I think he's meticulous and he's a, you know, a fan of history and he, he has a vision. And to be honest with you, I didn't really know the story. I don't think I've seen the original Nosferatu.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I don't think I've seen many Draculas. I don't give a shit. So this was all new to me. And I thought it was a fucking masterpiece. I don't know what people were saying about it, but it is kind of paced in a slow way. But once it turns, it's fucking beautiful. And I didn't know it was kind of some sort of insanely toxic love story with the future of mankind in the balance.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Aber verdammt, es war, es gab eine Humanität am Ende der Sache, die ich nicht erwartet hatte. Und alle Präsente waren großartig und es sah großartig aus. Ich würde das wieder sehen. Ich sah Anora, was ich glaube, ist auch ein fucking großartiger Film.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Ich wäre mehr als glücklich, wenn das alle Werte gewonnen hätte, weil es all meine Erwartungen auf das, was in dieser Geschichte mitten in der Geschichte passieren würde, wenn die armenischen Füge involviert werden. Ich dachte, dass es violent und seltsam werden würde, aber es wurde lustig und süß.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
Did you despair? Did you make resolutions? Did you celebrate? Did you get fucked up? Did you get sober on the day after? What was that? Yesterday? Wednesday? What day is it? I'm tired of this holiday time. I'm always thinking it's Sunday when it's like Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday. What did you do? Are you okay? Are you saddling up for the new year? Are you buckling up for the new year?
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
And again, that second half, whether it starts off as sort of, what do you call it, like this sort of fairy tale thing, or what do you call it, a princess story or Cinderella story, and then it just turns into a very unique and subtle and... slightly disturbing love story. And I think it was great. The Brutalist, another big film. I thought that was astounding. Again, a long movie, a big movie.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But man, what a performance by Adrian Brody. And what an interesting story about class, immigration, antisemitism, art, addiction. It's all sort of there in a fairly... unique in historical context. I thought it was a great movie. A Complete Unknown. I saw most of it. I had to dip out for five minutes to deal with my father spinning out, as I told you the last time I talked to you.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
But I thought A Complete Unknown was great. I thought he did a great job. I thought the look was great. I thought the clothes was great. It's a nice time for clothes. It was before things got weird in the late 60s and things were sort of cool and there was a lot of rummaging of the late 50s for clothing going on. And I just thought it was stunning and all the music was good and it moved.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
I know he fudged some historical bits and pieces, but performances were great by everyone really. And I was completely captivated by it. Did not see Conclave. Ja. The Substance, big fan. Again, not a horror movie, but that was my kind of horror movie. Wicked, I thought that was okay. You know, everyone seems to love it, which I'm very happy about. As far as musicals goes, I thought it was pretty.
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Episode 1605 - Ask Marc Anything: A Full Maron Special Presentation
The songs were nice. It was long. But, you know, in terms of my ability to judge a musical, I'll give it good grades. Movies have been sort of saving my sanity. And this sort of journey into Mike Lee has just been great. We'll see what happens. We'll be here. Our schedule picks up. This is the last of the special episodes for the holidays.
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Episode 1639 - David Harbour
Weißt du noch, auf dem Festival, als wir im strömenden Regen getanzt haben? Nachdem unser Zelt aufgebaut war, trotz gefühlt Windstärke 10? Und wie fing alles an? Online die Tickets gekauft mit der Sparkassen-Card.
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Episode 1630 - Delroy Lindo
Tickets gibt es unter www.kinoamolympiasee.de Im Geschäftsleben erwartet man, dass der Zahlungsverkehr so einfach wie möglich ist. Und genau das ist er jetzt auch. Mit Visa Direct. Jetzt können Sie Zahlungen zwischen mehr als 195 Ländern, 160 Währungen und über 11 Milliarden Karten, Konten und Wallets empfangen, halten, umrechnen und senden. Ganz einfach und sicher.
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Episode 1630 - Delroy Lindo
Tickets gibt es unter www.kinoamolympiasee.de Im Geschäftsleben erwartet man, dass der Zahlungsverkehr so einfach wie möglich ist. Und genau das ist er jetzt auch. Mit Visa Direct. Jetzt können Sie Zahlungen zwischen mehr als 195 Ländern, 160 Währungen und über 11 Milliarden Karten, Konten und Wallets empfangen, halten, umrechnen und senden. Ganz einfach und sicher.
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Episode 1630 - Delroy Lindo
Sorgen Sie dafür, dass Ihr Geldverkehr zu Ihrem Business passt. Weitere Informationen unter visa.com.
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Episode 1630 - Delroy Lindo
Sorgen Sie dafür, dass Ihr Geldverkehr zu Ihrem Business passt. Weitere Informationen unter visa.com.
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Episode 1630 - Delroy Lindo
Tickets gibt es unter www.kinoamolympiasee.de Im Geschäftsleben erwartet man, dass der Zahlungsverkehr so einfach wie möglich ist. Und genau das ist er jetzt auch. Mit Visa Direct. Jetzt können Sie Zahlungen zwischen mehr als 195 Ländern, 160 Währungen und über 11 Milliarden Karten, Konten und Wallets empfangen, halten, umrechnen und senden. Ganz einfach und sicher.
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Episode 1630 - Delroy Lindo
Sorgen Sie dafür, dass Ihr Geldverkehr zu Ihrem Business passt. Weitere Informationen unter visa.com.
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Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And maybe you're probably shirtless for it. It's not Tiger Beat, but that's the reference.
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Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Sure. Yeah, like who are you? What do you do? What justifies your life? Yeah. If you're not one of those guys.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Right. Was, you gonna ask me that? No, but that's good. I just turned 61. You know, we're over the hump of some kind. We're over a couple of humps. A couple of humps, heading for a new hump. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully we make it up this one. But how many times do you really think when you say no to something because of that sense of like, ah, fuck, it's not, that you were right? Oh, we'll never know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah. I say no to everything. Yeah. But I'm not in the same position anymore. But my initial instinct is like, how long? Well, I'm not in that position anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, and that guy, do you ever do the like... And I might have ruined it. That guy did a better job than I. Yeah. I wouldn't have done it, but you did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Do you, like, do you, and I'm just asking this for my own personal reasons, do you enjoy acting? Yeah. Okay. I do. Yeah. I do, I love it. Yeah. And do you, like, because you find it, like, it took me a while to get over the waiting to do the thing. And then you do the thing for a few minutes and then you wait. Yeah. And then you do it again for a few minutes. I love the waiting. You do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, that's good if you've got a lot of scenes to do, because you're locked in. Even if I don't, I like the rabbit hole. I like going down the rabbit hole on stuff. I did kind of finally realize that when you are on set, that if you're on set for long enough, it's just its own world. And when you come out of it, it's kind of jarring and depressing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I wasn't putting a lot of weight on the holidays. You know, I do know it quiets down and that's nice generally. But... It was kind of surprisingly anxiety-ridden and crisis-ridden a bit. Again, I'm alive, everything worked out, but... It was not great. I guess it was mixed. I guess it was mixed. And I'm not a holiday guy, not a religious guy. I don't practice the rituals, really.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Because you know exactly what you need to do there. Yeah, there's a call sheet. Yeah, and it's at the place, even if you're waiting around, everything else is just sort of like, I can't do that. No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, but then isn't there the question of like, why do I got to wake up at that time? I mean...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
It's a fucking nightmare. And you're just in there and you're like, none of this works. Why is there a cassette player in here?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I did the Aretha Franklin movie and they put me in Forrest Whitakers trailer one day. It's like a house.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Wenn ich den Joker gedreht habe, hat De Niro seinen eigenen Bunker-Trailer. Das ist verrückt, aber warum nicht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I never got to that. The movie star rental trailer racket, where you get money to park your own vehicle at the place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Sure. Yeah. That's all agents work. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What do you request? I don't care about any of that stuff. Honestly. I don't like when food's wasted. So I have a hard time with that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Who cares? I don't care. It's like, I don't know at what point your ego shifts to that. I mean, you have those moments where you're like, why the fuck do I have that? And then you realize, because you're you and that's that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know? Right. It's an interesting process, though, when you do have problems with lines, isn't it? Because it's sort of like, I mean, as an acting person, you know what comes out of your mouth and what's relative to the character. Yeah. And if there's something that's just like a turd and you're sort of like, I don't know, how can you say that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ich dachte, als ich mit deiner Frau Rosemary gesprochen habe, sie ist großartig. Sie ist wie Magie. Sie ist von Magie her. Ja, richtig? Und ich kann mich nicht erinnern, als ich mit ihr gesprochen habe, haben Sie sich auf Lins Movie getroffen? Nein, wir waren bereits zusammen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
War das nicht gut? Es war unglaublich. Ich brauchte es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber ich habe mit ihr darüber gesprochen, dass die Vorstellung des Agenten in der Adaptation, das ist einer der besten Rollen, die ich je gesehen habe. Danke. Es ist, weil... Marty Bowen. Was war sein Name? Marty Bowen. Marty Bowen. Wer ist ein echter Agent, übrigens?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know, as I get older, I wonder how am I an adult and I can't even muster it up to send out some Christmas cards or maybe buy a couple of presents. I like to say that, like, well, it's just not my thing. But really, it's just selfish. Ja. Ja. Ja. Felt like I knew him. And now I got to know him a little bit. And now you will too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Well, what would that have been? Because like to me, it is so specific in the sense that like, look, you and I have known agents and med agents our entire professional life. And, you know, obviously, I don't want to, you know, get myself in any sort of trouble here. But there is a component, a human component that an agent is missing. Yeah. Und ich glaube, das ist notwendig für ihren Job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Oh, sicher. Aber es ist eine sehr spezifische Sache, die Erweiterung davon, die du bekommst, die sehr spezifisch und direkt auf den Geld liegt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber nur das Driften und das Schauen der Frauen im Büro war einfach zu viel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Das ist verrückt. Ich habe es nur nicht so lange hergeschaut, um zu sehen, wie es sich entwickelt hat. Und es ist unglaublich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, he was there. Because I think he's relatively underrated.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
It's like, yes, I am. And he's also like, you strike me as a guy like, and I'm the same way. We're practical people. And there's people that somehow have these egos that serve them. But like, you know, they're just, they'll buy a dinosaur bones. And you're sort of like, okay. I would never think to do it. No. No. I can't even buy a new car. Do you need a new car? Not really. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But sometimes you're like, maybe I should get one of the electric ones. Yeah. I don't know. Do you have an electric one? I have a Prius, so it's half electric.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I bought them, I bought them like cash outright, because why not? Yeah, I don't know why people lease cars, because it just feels like you've rented a car, and then when you bring it back, it's always going to be like, well, you know, there's a problem with the thing, and then...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, you get committed to your car. Either you grow up like that or you don't. Yeah, you drive a car and you're impressed. Even if it's falling apart, when it crosses a certain threshold of miles, you're like, oh, this is a good car. You duct tape, you patch that shit back together. Yeah, you personalize it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
My 2025 continuation tour of my 2024 tour kicks off in less than two weeks. It gets started in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. Then I'm in Napa, California at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. Fort Collins, Colorado at Lincoln Center Performance Hall Friday, the 17th of January. Then Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Wow, my judge grew up in Albuquerque. He did, yeah. He went to the other high school though. There's a lot of high schools. He went to Albuquerque High with my buddy Devin. I think he's maybe a year older than me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
No, he's the only one. Two of you. Yeah, he's the only one that came out of there. I think, what's his name? Michael, the Doogie Howser guy. Neil Patrick Harris? Neil Patrick Harris, yes. I think he's Albuquerque. Wow. Yeah, he's a talented guy. That's pretty good for Albuquerque. Yeah, that's three, if I include myself in it. And I think, you know who used to live in Albuquerque?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Do you remember the actor, I think it's Bill Daly, was it the guy from My Dream of Jeannie? The guy who played the... Oh, the neighbor? Yeah. He was brilliant. Yeah, he was there for years. He ran the Albuquerque Little Theater. Major Healy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was fantastic. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, he was there forever. So that's another great Albuquerquean. Wow.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So would you call it a suburb of Cedar Rapids?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, small town. Where did they originate from? Skandinavisch?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
War er ein Farmer? Er war ein Farmer. Er kam nach Norddakota. They got some sort of break. They wanted people to figure out how to farm in that region. Yeah. And they brought in like Russian people and I guess Prussian people. They're just sort of like, you know how to do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah. Did you know your grandparents? I did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Because my mom was 22. That's young. Yeah, but it's weird when you get to the age where you are and where I'm at and they're still around and that age difference does not seem parental. You're just sort of like, you're just a few years older than me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, dann komme ich nach Iowa, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois und Michigan. heading into the special taping, which I'll give you details on as they unfold. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all of my dates and links to tickets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Da sind vier von uns. Und das ist der jüngste? Das ist der jüngste. Das ist verrückt. Ja. Aber ihr kennt ihn? Ja, ich kenne ihn. Ich liebe ihn. Er ist großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
No, they came. They were in the room. But I mean, Darren's parents were just sort of like, I'm going to leave you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
We got room. We got room. Yeah. Did you have foster brothers and sisters too? No. No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
She was in her teens, but I don't know. But everybody got to go to the same school. Yeah. All right. So what, like, and your siblings are in show business? No, not anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Oh, they got on the Talking Points Dispatch Network of the right-wing thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Well, she was, like, you can't really riff as an anchor too much. Not really, but it's, you know, I don't know, there's journalistic integrity thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
works with them. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I have respect for people who say it's dumb. I do, too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But you could see, if you don't have a passion for it, just the notion of, I think I want to be an actor. And then you do it a couple of times, you're like, what is this? Yeah. How is this a life? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und es war einfach so, fuck it, was warte ich auf, das ist dumm. Ja, du wartest auf jemanden, der dir eine Identität für ein paar Monate geben wird. Ich denke, er hat es einfach nicht, er hat es einfach nicht, du weißt, du musst es lieben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I go to New Mexico, Christmas Eve, you know, to hang out, see the old man, see where he's at with the losing of the mind. And I go to a dinner party at his wife's family's house, a small one, see him hang out, have some tamales. Next day is the big party with his wife's family. And he seemed okay, a little detached, but okay, still present. And then after that, I'm going to go to the movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Genau. Und das Theatermajor wäre, Theater zu studieren, nicht unbedingt Theater zu machen. Right, that was all extracurricular. Right. And did you feel the, were you in the same performance spaces as the Big Shots? No, not really. Were there any Big Shots there? Unless we were ushering. Yeah. We got to use their library. Who was there when you were there? Anybody?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But what was your first stage experience? What were you doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So you knew pretty early that you were going to do it? I think so. Yeah, I think I did. I think I did. Yeah. And so Yale, you stayed there the full run? I was there, yep. And your parents were like, that's fine, an English degree from Yale.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So I'm going to go see, you know, a complete unknown by myself. I'm out there by myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Am I mistaken in that it's a pretty inclusive, forgiving trip?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And I go to the movie and I start getting calls from my dad's wife and she's like, he's having a meltdown or there's a problem and I gotta leave the movie and call and she's like, he's just yelling, you know, my son and grandkids came over to open presents and your father just lost his mind, started telling everyone to fuck off and get the fuck out of the house and, you know, fucking, you know, made a big scene and got very scary and I said, well, put him on the fucking phone, you know, and
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber die Glauben halten dich manchmal auf. I think so. That's good. Yeah. And you got kids now. I got kids. And are you going to church? No. No. I mean, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Well, it's about, I think, about community, ultimately. Right? I think so. I guess it's nice to have some place to go where you see the people like, hey, how you doing? Right. We're all here together. Yeah. Subscribing to a thing. Yeah. And it's nice to see everybody. Yeah. I'll see you next week. See you next week. You know, have some cookies on the way out. Exactly, yeah. And that's that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So, when do you come out here? I was 25. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So you're really testing whether or not you'd go back.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I would try. So you're in an a cappella group.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I was like, what are you doing? What are you doing? He's like, I don't know. And I'm like, what did you do? What are you mad about? Why did you lose it? Why did you go into a rage? I didn't go into a rage. I'm like, what are you fucking mad about? I don't know. I just, you know, I don't know. I just, you know, no one was talking to me. And I was like, what?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ich hatte einiges über das gemacht. Ich hatte einiges über das gemacht. Ich hatte einiges über das gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know what I mean? Not to do angry new plays at Steppenwolf?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
He's like, I just, no one was talking to me. And I'm like, so you scare everybody? You start yelling and screaming and kicking around presents and stuff? What is that? He's like, I don't know, I'm sorry, Mark, I'm wrong. I'm like, yeah, I mean, yeah. He goes, I don't do that, though. I'm like, you do. And then it was weird because I got choked up, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, yeah, because you know the game. Yeah. And did any of those guys go on to SNL or anything? Um...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Und dann bist du in Swingers. Und dann bin ich in Swingers. Also wie kamst du hierher und hast einfach angefangen zu arbeiten?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Genau, es war einer von denen. Das ist ein seltsames Ding, das Ding. Es gibt vier oder fünf kleine Theater da und ich weiß nicht, was da los ist. Ich denke, vielleicht ist es eine Zonierung oder ein günstiger Rentner. Ja, ich erinnere mich, dass es ein Comedy-Show war, eines von ihnen, aber es gibt vier von ihnen da unten und dann gibt es das Hudson Theater, das ist ein bisschen größer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I wasn't ready. It's such a weird, isolated, lonely feeling to be out here without any way in. Because you know it's here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I got choked up because he did that before he got brain addled. He was a rager. And he was, it was erratic and inconsistent and scary. And I told him, I said, you know, it gets pretty scary when you do that. He's like, I don't do that. And I'm like, you did. I'm choking up and it's just weird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Well, you're lucky. I mean, a lot of people come out in that situation and they spend, you know, decades out here before they kind of wake up, wherever they wake up and realize, fuck, it did not happen. Yeah. Because it's almost like a childish dream. Like, I'm going to be a movie star.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And then you just come out here. When does it happen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Er war so schmerzhaft, so schmerzhaft. Ja. Ja. Ja, aber er ist nur einer von diesen Jungs, der sehr intensiv ist und fokussiert ist. Und es gibt definitiv Dinge, über die er nicht sprechen möchte. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber er ist immer so, wenn er reagiert, ist es wie, holy shit. Ja, er ist wie ein echter, er ist ein echter Mann. Ja, also du kennst ihn, als er ein Kind war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Er könnte, das könnte gerade nach dem Verlust gewesen sein. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
They're wiping the map up with me. But like when you did... So you do that and then you get this movie Office Space, which is like, I think it's probably one of the biggest cult movies around in its own way, right? Yeah. I mean, and you had no idea going into that. How did Judge find you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Like, you know, I see this happening and I imagine this is the same with a lot of people who experience this, the breakdown of their parent with this thing is that, you know, what's left? Like, he's still got a lot of memories. He knows who I am and all that stuff. But, you know, the behavior that's left, you realize like, oh, this was, this was my childhood.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know, I'm not saying shit at that point. But you had no sense by doing Office Space. How long did it take for that to pick up steam? Was it right away? No, it was forever. You know what happened was...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
It's like, it's weird, it went viral pre-internet. Yeah, and it's like, you know, I've never worked in that situation, but it feels like it was the beginning of the modern workplace comedy, really. I mean, I don't think without office space you don't get, you know, the office, you don't get... Oh, sure. Like, just all that stuff. No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And it like, it was kind of breaking my heart in that moment that like, I think he was really unaware of the impact of Ja, also das ist sort of what's left. That emotional engine of anger and rage. And self-centeredness is what's left. I mean, you know, I guess all bets are off that my dad, as he went through this, would become docile and more detached.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
That's such a heartbreaking movie. Hey, can I get the keys? Oh my God.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So, yeah, so I know that piece. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't, I find that with me, I'm definitely the anxious guy. Like when depression happens, it's not going to stick. Yeah. Because I'll find an anxious way out of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Just wait there. You know. And watch the day go by. And then you get that like... They're on the scene before you. Great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So I have time to piss and, you know. But the office space got everything going. Yeah, sort of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But I mean, it's fortunate for you that you can do, like you can do comedy. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber es gibt viele Schauspieler, die einfach herumfliegen und Schauspieler sind, die du nicht erinnerst, aber du bist erstaunlich. But they didn't know what to do with you, really.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah. Even now. Even now. Yeah. I mean, maybe. We'll see. How did Loudermilk do? That was funny.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
You know, they asked me when you get like, yeah, there's those TV stations where when you're doing junkets, they're like, we do this interview on whatever. And you're like, what is that? Yeah. You can't find it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And that deals with a guy who's like a sober guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Well, he's a recovery guy, but he's a dry drunk. Dry drunk, oh, absolutely. Now, when you do a part, what's your research component? Are you one of those guys just sort of like, I get it. A little of both.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Nope, it seems like the fuck you is going to stay till the end. And I don't know, man. It just makes me worry about me. Und traurig über ihn. Aber das ist, was da los ist. Das ist, was da los ist. Und dann, weißt du, am nächsten Tag starte ich Anrufe von der Frau, die mein Haus schaut, dass Charlie Diarrhea hat und er hat Diarrhea überall in der Haus, wie überall in der Haus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Oder eine große Nacht mit zwei. Du hast so viele von diesen Filmen gemacht, wie die Filme, die du mit Lynn und deiner Frau gemacht hast. Ich fühlte mich, als ob ihr zwei für sie und ihren Sohn ein bisschen Surrogate wart. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Aber es ist so interessant, wenn ich mit Direktoren arbeite oder im Set bin, weil ich kind of feel like I should direct a movie. Uh-huh. But the sensitivity you have to have to make a decision about a scene that you just shot. I mean, I don't know if I have the patience to be that intuitive about when something is right. What take? But she had a real kind of... Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Er hat einfach unkontrollierbare Diarrhea. Und ich bin so, was ist da los? Dann nehme ich meinen Vater zum Abendessen am nächsten Tag und er wird krank und ich bin so, holy shit. But it's not happening to me, really. It's happening to Charlie. It's happening to my dad. Everyone's vomiting and has diarrhea. And I'm just, you know, with Charlie, I'm like, what are we going to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Ja, ja, ja, Herr. Aber du hast gearbeitet, wie die Band of Brothers, das muss schon verrückt gewesen sein. Es war verrückt. Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass die Skopie, ich habe die andere Nacht mit Adrian Brody gesprochen. doing Thin Red Line. Is it Thin Red Line? That he got cut out of. He really said the experience was like being in combat in a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Because you're with these guys and they're shooting it for real. And you gotta live in it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So what's going on now? What are you doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Sure. And you want them to be people you trust and with a little love there. With a little love. So you can take the note and process it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, I don't even know how the business works anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Yeah, we're all in the same boat. We're all here together. Well, it was great talking to you, man. Thank you, brother. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Thanks for coming. I just said thanks for having me. Thanks for having me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
There you go. Solid guy. I enjoyed that. You can hear Rosemary DeWitt's episode if you missed it. That's episode 1593 from last month. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And that went on for two days. So I had Kit bring him to the vet. And the vet thinks it's like stress-induced colitis. Because when I leave and then I realize, holy shit, every time I leave, he either gets pukey or he doesn't eat or he shits all over everything. And I'm like, all right, well, at least we know that. You know, that's something to know. It's weird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Folks, if listening to Ron has you thinking about Office Space, you can go listen to my episode with Office Space Director Mike Judge right now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Like I imagine that doing, you know, King of the Hill and conceiving of King of the Hill and having these, you know, characters with emotional depth was sort of the next evolution of you as a guy who moving towards film and moving towards, you know, sort of exploring, you know, like responsible adult themes and that kind of stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
So it was uniquely Texan in that way. It was really based on Texans.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
This sort of being triggered with the memories of a raging dad and then, you know, having this emotional connection to this animal and he starts shitting everywhere when he doesn't get the love he needs. And then, like, the next day, Friday morning, Kit comes by the house and she says, the ceiling in the kitchen is leaking. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? There's shit all over the place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And now the ceiling's leaking water. And I'm like, God damn it. And I'm thinking like a pipe blue, they're going to rip my ceiling out. I'm going to have to deal with that and the water. All I'm thinking is like, oh my God, what about mold? What about an open ceiling? What about like where the cat's going to eat? Where am I going to shower? What the fuck am I going to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
How are we going to fix this? And I get her to turn off the water main, which was sort of not easy. I had one of these, I had to put one of these flow things on there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
dass man es von einer App auswählen kann, aber es war offline, also mussten wir die Hauptanlage auswählen, ich musste einen Plumber anrufen, und ich musste früh nach Hause fliegen, ich musste ein Team auswählen, ich nannte einen Kontraktor, und er brachte seinen Plumber, und ich weiß nicht, danke Gott, du weißt nie, Leute kamen von mir, dieser Kerl kam von mir, er ist ein Kerl, den ich kenne, außer nur als Kontraktor, ich kam nach Hause, sechs Uhr am Abend, das Wasser war weg, es gab ein Loch im Boden, nur in der Farbe, ein Bubbel,
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Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
running down from underneath the main bathroom upstairs in the bedroom, master bedroom. So I'm like, all right, well, let's find this thing and maybe we make a plan to get in the wall and start ripping this place down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Turns out it was just these bolts on the back of the toilet tank and they were leaking and I guess it picked up and it was going right into the floorboard and down the ceiling of the kitchen and bubbled the paint and dumped water and made a hole in the paint. But I guess I dodged a bullet. That's just a paint problem. That's not a rip a hole in the ceiling problem.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
And then I woke up this morning with a cold. That's been the arc of my Christmas. That's been what's happening. And Charlie shit all over that. I mean, there was shit all over the house. I feel like I'm going to be finding dried diarrhea all over my house for as long as I have this house. Not to mention the rat shit in the basement. Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Ron Livingston is here.
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Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
That's good news. He didn't really come over to plug anything. We just invited him to come because I talked to his wife, Rosemary, and I wanted to talk to him. He knew Lynn. I like his acting. He seems like an interesting guy. So this is me talking to Ron Livingston.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
This is remnants from the old studio. The old studio was a very cluttered thing. So this all kind of just blended in with the rest of it. Now it's just kind of reminders of the origins. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
This is the stuff that's gonna go. And then... And then you sneak it back into maybe a different shelf or like, yeah. I just went through my whole closet. Because I had, you know, a good 50 shirts that I got when I did my series Marin. The wardrobe had figured out how I dress. And I don't like to shop. So I had all these shirts. And I've moved out of my plaid shirt period. So now I...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Now I have like 50 shirts, pulled them all out in a pile. And then everything I made, I got rid of all the clothes, I put them in a pile. That's been there for three weeks. Yeah. And I'm just looking at that pile, waiting for one of them to say something to me. Right. And I don't know if it's going to happen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
I buy one suit for one thing and I wear it for the one thing. And then a couple of years later, I'm like, I got that suit. I could put that on. And then you think it's great. But then if people take pictures, they're like, well, Ron's got a suit from 20 years ago.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
und sie sehen gut aus und dann ist das alles. Sie haben es nicht selbst. Das ist ein schwieriger Job. Ich will diesen Job nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast. If I sound a little vocally compromised, it's because I got a cold. That was the big payoff of this horrendous Christmas week. Yeah, it was all going not so great. A sequence of events, man. It's just a sequence of events.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1604 - Ron Livingston
But you were out of place. That's interesting, because, I mean, you're very familiar to me, just from, you're just one of those guys. I see you, I just like, I see you, and I'm like, I know that guy. But there must have been a point where your people sat you down and said, this is it. So we're gonna get you publicist. Oh, yeah. No, it happened...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
The journey was good until I stopped it on my own to take my own journey home before everyone else did. But I did feel, I felt like I was sneaking out because I felt like there were some eyes upon me. Like Marin left early. But no, it was great. And I thanked Trey. And the guitar playing was amazing. But that's my takeaway. Great show, great set.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And I think we got a good conversation out of our experience here. The Shrouds, the new movie, is now playing in theaters. This is me talking to David Cronenberg.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Bruce, so I texted Bruce because I was watching, you know, I kept watching your movies. And I'm a huge Bruce Wagner fan. Me too, of course. Aber meine Gefühle über ihn sind ein bisschen seltsam, weil ich denke, er ist ein mystischer Seher. Er hat diesen Element. Ja, ja. Bis zu dem Punkt, wo du, wenn du sein Werk liest, denkst du, woher kommt das überhaupt her? Ja. Er ist wie ein Wessel von etwas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
The new film is really kind of a complex meditation on grief and mortality and I enjoyed it. I rewatched some of his movies and I watched some for the first time and some of them, like the ones I hadn't seen, I'm like, how the fuck did I not know about this movie? I mean, I never saw Cosmopolis. Did you even hear of it? Cosmopolis with that guy, what's his name, Pattinson?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Es gibt Satire da, aber das ist nicht alles. Ja, das ist nur ein Deliveriesystem. Ja, genau. Das ist interessant, die Art der Satire. Für mich und für den Horror im Allgemeinen, fühlt es sich so an, als wäre ein hohes Prozent des Horrors Satire. Ja. Richtig? Ich stimme dazu.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Aber wenn wir über Brussaux sprechen, und ich glaube, wir können, es ist sehr, wenn ich, wenn ich eine Reaktion habe, wenn jemand so viele Filme wie du hat und so viel Arbeit, wie ich, ich schreibe normalerweise, ich schreibe normalerweise, und dann schreibe ich einfach, wie etwas, das wie eine Mathematik-Equation aussieht. Ja. in terms of what I'm trying to think about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And then at the bottom of this equation it just says the depth of his secular anti-mysticism would rather deal with the meat, the machine, mutations of desire and pain. You're talking about me or Bruce? You. Yeah, makes sense. The meat and the machine. But how you interface with the work of other writers is interesting to me because I'm a huge fan of the movie Dead Zone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Und das war Stephen King, und dann hast du Burroughs gemacht, und dann hast du Bruce gemacht, und dann hast du DeLillo gemacht. DeLillo, ja, und Patrick McGraw mit Spider, tatsächlich. Oh, wirklich? Und dann auch mit History of Violence, das war ein Grafiknovel, oder? Ja. But the ones that you seem to have chosen, you know, on your own to engage with are very specific kinds of writers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I mean, right? So Stephen King is a horror writer and Burroughs is sort of, I would say, a kind of astronaut satirist. Yes, I can agree with that, yeah. Ich habe den Film noch nie gesehen, und ich finde Cosmopolis großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, that was, I think, the challenge, I mean, I guess as a director as well, is to... Ich hatte die Erfahrung, als ich auch Inherent Vice gesehen habe, was eine Pension ist, und das ist hart. Wenn man mit Schauspielern handelt, sind das die Worte eines Schreibers, der Novels schreibt. Ja. Also sind sie nicht unbedingt gleich. Das ist richtig. Als wenn man Dialog schreibt. Das ist richtig.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Und es geht wirklich darum, die Schauspieler herauszufinden. Das ist richtig. Und wie hast du sie darauf gedreht?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
For the new movie? No, for the Shrouds, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich glaube, es gibt zwei Gründe dafür, oder vielleicht mehr. Ich erinnere mich, ich habe mit Walter gesprochen. Ist es Walter Hill? Ja, Walter Hill. Er engagiert sich nicht mit Schauspielern, außer wenn er sagt, ich habe dich gespielt, weil du der Kerl bist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
It's kind of a great movie. And it's based on a Don DeLillo book. And I'm like a Don DeLillo guy. I mean, I kind of lost touch with Don after the 9-11 book. I can't remember what that was called. But early on, I'd read all his books. I was obsessed with Libra. I was obsessed with White Noise, Great Jones Street, Ratner's Star. I mean, they were great books. And he's got a very specific tone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I guess I can understand. The thing I could see working for a read-through is that if you as a director want to tweak things as it's scripted, once you hear it out of mouths, But I guess you can do that seem to see.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
So, with this movie, it's a lot, this movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But what's interesting to me in terms of your work is it really seems that Ich weiß nicht, wo du bist, in Bezug auf deine Karriere, aber es scheint, dass all deine Themen in diesem Film sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
They like to refer to their own... Okay, well, maybe not self-referential, but for me, as somebody who talks for a living on stage, that I've noticed over time that there are... Things that I am either, you know, not repeating structurally, but it seems that there are areas that I am still working on. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I don't know why anybody would approach... You've done several types of movies. There are movies that you do that have a narrative resolution. Yes, that's true. Whether they were jobs or of your own intention. But the expectation from cinema along those lines, it seems naive to ask that of you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And when I watched Cosmopolis, which is based on a DeLillo novel, I was like, oh my God, it's all like DeLillo language. And it may be misreading DeLillo, but it's kind of a great examination of that first wave of tech money and these young people. Men who became filthy rich. There's kind of an element of American Psycho in there, but not the violent element.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Das ist die starke Poesie von dem, was du tust. Mit einem Film wie... Die Resolution, und es war nicht dein Skript, oder die Resolution von Mapps of the Stars und Cosmopolis war dein Skript. Das Verheiratetum am Ende von Cosmopolis entspricht sich nicht. Nein, korrekt. Und das ist ein intentioneller Moment. Ja. Um sie dort zu lassen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Aber in diesem Film, ich glaube, was ich zu diskutieren wollte, nachdem ich durch eine Situation selbst gelebt habe, ist, dass es von Schmerzen informiert wird. Ja. Was deiner war. Ja. Und es scheint ein Versuch zu sein, es nicht zu erklären, sondern es zu erinnern, dass es Teil dieses menschlichen Prozesses ist.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But also the zone of, because you go out of your way near the beginning of the film, zum Thema jüdischer Geburt. Und etwas sehr Spezifisches darüber, was ich gar nicht finden konnte.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich bin nicht tief genug in kabbalistische Explanationen für Rituale, aber ich bin ein Jude und verstehe die Bedürfnisse, die Menschen schnell auf den Boden zu bringen und etwas zu machen, das die Erde organisch wiederholen kann. Und, äh, du weißt, die Schraube, äh, von dem ich meine kurze Forschung war, war eine Art von Gleichgewicht.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
dass jeder, egal was sein Status in der Leben ist, in der gleichen Farbe verpackt ist. Aber die Idee, dass der Grund, warum die Juden so schnell Menschen verbrachten, ist, dass die Decomposition eine ähnliche Zeit von der
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And there's an amazing performance by Giamatti, who kind of comes in at the end. But I watched that, and I watched Maps to the Stars again, which is based on a Bruce Wagner book. And Bruce Wagner wrote the screenplay, and I had watched the movie before. And Bruce Wagner is a genius. He's a fucking seer. He's a mystic. I had him on here. His books blow me away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, it's still interesting to me that you make room for the soul in the film that I will have to re-watch again. Because there is an intentional lighting effect that to you represents the soul. But you don't fundamentally believe that. I don't. And the idea of the shroud...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Like, you know, is is sort of loaded to like they're like because I at the beginning of the film because of my brain is sort of like, well, is the shroud a something that is going to absorb the soul? Yes. And and then we go from there with whatever technology is going to. Is that where we're going with this? I didn't go that way.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Aber warum The Shroud? Was waren die ersten Gedanken an diesem Film in Bezug auf das?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But something that provides more detail than just a camera in a box.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, a lot of it isn't sci-fi at this point, you know, in terms of... No, I know, yeah. Yeah, and I think some of your movies are... Relatively prophetic.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But it did strike me that something that I have thought about in... Ernest Becker's book, The Denial of Death, had a profound impact on me. In terms of transference and the need of people to feel part of something larger than themselves. In terms of belief to justify their existence and push back the terror of mortality.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ja. Ja, genau. Ja. Es ist tragisch. Ja. Aber es ist nicht ungewöhnlich. Das ist richtig. Aber egal, wie intellektuell du bist über diese Dinge, weißt du, du faktorierst nicht in die tiefen Trauma. Das ist richtig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And I remember watching that movie, but I don't remember the movie. And then I watched it again. I'm like, this is a dark fucking amazing movie. Kind of rides the edge of satire of Hollywood and just kind of tragic arc to that story. And I watched The Brood. I watched History of Violence recently. I didn't rewatch The Fly. I watched some very early ones. I rewatched Scanners fairly recently.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ja, das stimmt. Und ich mache jetzt ein Stück auf meinem Stage Show darüber, dass es nie weggeht. Es ist etwas, mit dem du lebst und es integriert sich, aber es ist da. Ja.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Oh, interesting. And also there's like the different ways that one, you know, tries to relieve themselves of grief.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Once you play those out, you have to put something in that is emotionally founded in judgment. In order to sit with it. Like the idea, how it's presented in the movie, that his wife had been betraying him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Right, so there you have the anger. Yes. Which will give you a reprieve from self-flagellation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Yeah, how do you negotiate and navigate that? That's a tough one. Well, I think that's like the area that's... The human area that you deal with in terms of desire and violence played against these technologies or disfigurement or whatever, or violence in a literal sense. It is the human journey of a lot of your characters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
No, absolutely. But in the third act, whether it did or didn't happen, an intimate violence ... Yes, there is that. ... occurs in order to sate these problems of grief and lack of control. Yes, I agree with all of that. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Und so, aber was ich denke, wo ich mit diesem angefangen habe, war, dass, you know, in place of a spirituality that that has a structure, you know, these this sort of moving through technological relationships, conspiracy minded thinking and, you know, dreams or non dreams kind of in a chaotic way is the spiritual element of the film. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But some very interesting and challenging films. It was kind of an honor to talk to the guy. I'm at Dynasty Typewriter tomorrow. That's April 29th. And I'm in Toronto at the Winter Garden Theater on Saturday, May 3rd for two shows. Burlington, Vermont. I'm at the Vermont Comedy Club for two shows on Monday, May 5th. And one show on Tuesday, May 6th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, it's sort of like, you know, Carlin, and I tried to do a bit about this until I realized it was too close to Carlin's, that if you believe in God, you'll kind of believe anything. And that's where you get spirituality. Yeah, well, yes. You got to be pretty vigilant about that door that you let God into. That's exactly. If you're going to lead a rational life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, I guess what I'm using it is in your first impulse about that, what that means is that it fills a void. Yes. So what you have here, and maybe I misspoke in terms of the semantics of it, is that whether it's artificial reality, the dream state, the shroud, or whatever, the engagement with conspiracies, real or not real in the film, that is filling the same void as kind of...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Hypothetical explanations of religious experience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
That's interesting, empathy, because I'm trying to think of moments in this film where it happens. Does it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Sisters, they lost their lovers, each in a different way. And the casting of Guy Pearce as a Nebbisch, or a Schwepp, was kind of, I think he did a great job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Yeah, neurotic. But I was really impressed, because when you see an actor like him, who can get a lot of mileage out of his looks, you don't have to play totally against it. You can really see what they're made of. Absolutely.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Trust me, he was happy to do it. Oh, I bet you had a great time. But it makes me think about... Auch wenn man die Filme von Anfang an sieht, auch Stereo, der erste Film. Ja, hast du das gesehen? Ja. Okay, ich bin beeindruckt. Es gab etwas über die Art, wie du filmst, was mich interessiert hat. Denn es ist in einer Art und Weise sehr offensichtlich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich weiß nicht, ob das eine gute Art und Weise ist, es zu bezeichnen, aber es hat eine Stärkung. Und wenn ich zurückgehe, war ich so, ist das immer intentional? Und es ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Portsmouth, New Hampshire, I'll be at the Music Hall on Wednesday, May 7th. Then I'm in Brooklyn for my HBO special taping at the Bam Harvey Theater on May 10th. Two shows there. You can go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Go there, get the right ones. And here's something that was brought to my attention by Kit. And, you know, we can only do what we can do.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Right, but from the very beginning, you know, the themes of what we don't know about the meat, the human being, the human mind, has been sort of a portal for you.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Aber in der mentalen Landschaft, weil auch in den Schrauben die Idee von Traum und künstlicher Realität und, weißt du, Manipulation dieser Dinge technologischerweise und dann die größere Verschwörung, dass, weißt du, was auch immer, ich habe nicht viel Kritik gelesen, aber die Idee, dass, dass einige dieser Dinge über China und was auch immer unentschlossen geht, es gibt keinen Bedarf für Resolution.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Yeah, and also it doesn't have to be real. So positing the idea that because like in the film, there's no reason not to believe most of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Right, and it leads the viewer to react to it not unlike one would react to a conspiracy theory. Like, there's enough meat here to believe it. Yes, that's true. And it's relieving to do so, because I don't want to do the homework that would refute it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But going back, you know, like... When people talk about horror, like I literally kind of was on a mental, you know, like a spin yesterday with watching the work, that, you know, the definition of horror is very, very specific and short. Yes. You know, it's like, it's...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But that's a film term, it's a sub-genre, it's a genre term when they're talking like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And I hope you're doing it, whatever that may be. Ultimately, it's not going to be satisfying because we are up against a lot of a tsunami of authoritarian bullshit. But here in L.A., and this is local, but the latest budget proposal is set to close multiple animal shelters and reduce more than 120 staff positions. And look, you know, I am a cat guy. I'm an animal guy.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ja. Richtig. Das ist richtig. Aber die Definition von Horror ist ein intensives Gefühl von Angst, Schock oder Verrücktheit. Period. Ja, das ist ein großes Universum.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
So why not just work with that? Yes, I agree. Because I don't, my girlfriend's a big horror fan, but I don't really think in those terms. I don't seek horror out. But I've always watched your movies. Because I didn't categorize them.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
It's funny, because I didn't re-watch that, but the one thing I remember, which is sort of a classic reveal, that probably goes back to, if I'm thinking in my film history studies class, to Rome Open City, is the reveal of the tools. Yes. Right? Yes. And then I realized that my family, my aunt, had that book that was based on. Yeah. Of those two doctors. Yeah.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I think the book was called Twins, wasn't it?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich glaube, wenn du ein Kritiker warst und du es kategorisieren wolltest, könntest du es in die Horror-Kategorie nehmen.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
It's sort of like based on a true story kind of thing. Because my girlfriend is just like, she was like, oh, The Brood. And that's like a horror movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Wie hat deine Ex-Wife darauf reagiert? Na, ich habe eigentlich keine Ahnung.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Because, like, you know, I read that that was the impetus of it and, you know, to sort of materialize causes of childhood trauma based on a divorce as these little monster kids.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Yeah, but there is resolution in the brood. Yeah, well, yes and no, yes and no. But he legitimately has incentive and reason to kill his wife.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But where do you feel... Weil in Bezug auf das Ausdrucken und dann durch die Ballard-Stuffe mit Crash und dieser Mutation des Wunschs, der aus Ausdruck kommt. Ja. When do you think that that portal was opened for you? Because I have an experience with a book called Very Special People, which was about P.T. Barnum's anomalies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
You know, Kit is a cat person and a dog person. And, you know, she was involved with Pasadena Humane for a while. And I mean, this just means less care for sheltered animals, fewer adoptions and more killing of animals that can't be taken care of. And it's tragic. This is the The killing of true innocents. If you live in L.A., there's a gathering today at 3 p.m.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But many of them were in the movie Freaks, Todd Browning's Freaks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Und dann sah ich die existenten Sideshow-Präsidenten aus, die noch tourieren. Als ich in der Junior-Klasse war, ging ich zum State Fair, um Ronny und Donny zu sehen.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Die einzig lebenden Siamischen Twins. Ja. Du gehst da hin und du gehst auf eine Plattform hoch und schaust in eine Trailer-Halle. Und die beiden waren nur da sitzen, TV zu sehen. Von hinten, aber du konntest sehen... Die Verbindung. Die Verbindung. Aber was ich an dem Zeitpunkt erkannt habe, und auch das Werk von Joel Peter Witkin, ich weiß nicht, ob du ihn kennst, er ist Fotograf.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
that there is a window into humanness that is profoundly affecting, that either you gravitate towards it or you don't. Do you remember where you first gravitated towards that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, that was in this movie, the new one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, that's interesting. So that kind of feeds into... the idea or the reality of the film, the substance being a homage to a sensibility or a concept.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich glaube, dass der Peak... experiment in in that idea of yours before it became personalized in this film was the fly really yes and that becomes like an accident Right? Yes. That the desire to just teleport becomes this other freak accident. Yes, that's right. Changing the body, accepting it initially, and then realizing that the hubris involved. Well, hubris is...
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
downtown at City Hall to speak out against the funding cuts. You can also call your council member and tell them why they should restore the funding. Organizing on this is being led by Beezy's Rescue in L.A., so shout out to them. Let's help the animals. I mean, if you can't do anything else, or you haven't figured out a way to, if you live here in L.A.,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Was war die originelle Intention von Thalidomide für schwere Frauen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And that became sort of the foundation of that being a telepathic gift.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Dein erstes Film war ein telepathischer Film. Du bist enttäuscht mit Telepathie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ja, wie fühlst du dich? Es muss möglich sein.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Yeah, but also it's so nuanced. Like, you know, I own cats. And like a cat will, like no matter how you're acting, two days before you leave, they know you're going.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But it's like, it doesn't have to be as kind of sci-fi as like reading your mind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Yeah. But it's there. So what is your... What was your relationship with William Burroughs work? Because I just talked to the guy who did Queer. And, you know... You know, his approach to Burroughs was very human. Yes. You know, in terms of his life and the one book that was, you know, very much autobiographical. Yes, that's right. And I thought it was kind of a beautiful movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich meine, es ist eine sehr tragische, schreckliche Sache. Ich werde sehr emotional in Tiere investiert, wie Sie wissen, mit Charles, der immer wachsenden Geschichte von Charles. Ja, that's taking a big turn. Vielen Dank. Check out squarespace.com slash WTF for a free trial.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
That's the one part. We got to start with that?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Aber auch die Idee, in den 40er und 50er Jahren zu sein, war... Ja, Burroughs war nicht ausgeschlossen von dem.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But what you chose to do is kind of again break the wall between die Realität und die Visionen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ja, und auch seine Intelligenz um Archäologie und Symbolismus und seine Faszination mit Bugs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
In einem dieser Bücher geht er ziemlich tief in die Toxinen, die vorhanden sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich habe die Westernlands vorhin wiedergelesen. Die schwierigste Partie, und ich denke, du hattest es wahrscheinlich mit Naked Lunch zu tun, ist, wo ist die Geschichte?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ich habe gerade mit Weller gesprochen, vor ein paar Wochen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Oh, wie schön. Wo war er? Peter. Peter, he was here. He's here. Oh, because I think he lives in Italy, doesn't he? Sometimes. He just wrote an art history text. Oh, really? Yeah. And, you know, I had him in here. He had nice things to say about you. But he's very, you know, one of those guys that's just hungry, intellectually hungry.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ja, er hat einen Ph.D. in Kunstgeschichte. Ja, und er lehrt. Ja, und er hat ein Buch geschrieben. Deine Beziehung zu Burroughs, du warst glücklich, ihn lebendig zu haben. Ja. Aber du magst das Werk. Ja.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Luca did tap into that, yeah. So what was your relationship with J.G. Ballard?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
What a rare and amazing moment. It's like that moment in Annie Hall when he's online and the guy behind him is talking about Marshall McLuhan. And he brings Marshall McLuhan up. Absolutely like that. Absolutely like that. What a victory. What a beautiful thing that is. Well, I mean, it's difficult because I'm working with a guy right now.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
who's one of my best friends, and he wrote a book that I'm trying to make into a movie. And getting him to write the script, which he wanted to do, it becomes a tricky undertaking. And so I said to him, I said, Sam, look, the book exists.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Oh my God. That was the gift of having Bruce Wagner write that movie. Because that book is huge. Yeah. The Maps to the Stars. Yeah, yeah. And I was amazed because I just read his Marvel Universe and the two books from that trilogy. It doesn't matter. We already talked about Bruce. But the fact that he had control and I guess it was his script, right? Yes, it was. It was tight as hell. Yes, it was.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast. Willkommen. Du bist gerade hier. Es ist nicht, dass du zu spät bist, aber es gibt viel zu fangen. Wie geht es allen? Heute auf dem Show habe ich mit David Cronenberg gesprochen. David Cronenberg, the impact of that dude's stuff.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And then when you're all set to launch your new site, use offer code WTF to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. That's squarespace.com slash WTF offer code WTF. So Charles, and I did go to the FIS show on Saturday. I'll tease that right now. All right. But I'm going to talk about Charles for a minute, because I know people are dug into this particular arc.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And also, that's a movie with resolution that's horrendous.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Oh my God. So I just, I also, and I'm sorry if I'm just going, you know, jumping around, but I watched Eastern Promises recently. Now, when you decide... Ja. And we talked about Lynch and then we, you know, and I didn't, I don't know if I, you know, realized that you worked with him with The Fly, right?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And, you know, what was that exchange like?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Er war lustig, ich kann mich nicht genau erinnern, was er gesagt hat, aber ich fragte ihn über Lynch. Und er hatte einen Racer-Head gesehen, bevor er Overman machen wollte. Und er hat gesagt, es geht um ein schreckliches Baby. Alle Babys sind schrecklich. Wie in diesem Film, mit dem Leute seit Jahrhunderten kämpfen. Melo hat es geschafft. Ja, genau.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Okay, also du musst einen Flug fangen. Aber ich glaube, die Liste von Filmen, mit denen du fast involviert bist, wie, weißt du, Witness und Return of the Jedi, Flashdance, Top Gun und so weiter. Aber egal, was die Geschichten sind, warum Dinge passieren oder nicht, du machst Entscheidungen, die nicht dein Material sind, die du für spezifische Gründe machst, würde ich sagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Ja, aber hast du wirklich Interesse daran, Flashdance zu machen?
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
The fish arc is sporadic, but there was anticipation on the behalf of fish fans and people who don't like fish. My listeners in terms of after I talked to Trey. would I indeed go to my first fish show? And I did. But first, Charles. Charles, Charlie, Charlie Beans, Charlie Beans Roscoe, has been problematic as of late. And as you know, we had a massive...
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Es ist eine interessante Geschichte. Es ist interessant, die Dinge, die ich vorhin erwähnt habe, aber auch etwas wie eine Geschichte der Gewalt, was ein grafisches Novel war, was sich perfekt an die Art, wie man schießt, befindet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But outside of story, the idea of placing humans at the center of how you shoot, what we talked about earlier, that there's a starkness to it because there's an economy to it, really worked with those characters. Yes, I agree. Because the characters were so well defined because they come from that.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And it was sort of an exploration of a different type of transformation of a human being. And that's true also, yes. I love that movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I never talked to him. But also, like it says, American Psycho is on this list.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Well, look, it was great talking to you. I don't want to have you worried about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And I thought the new movie was beautiful and challenging and it got my brain working, as all the work does, and thanks for taking the time. Well, thank you for having me here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Hey, Leute, am Donnerstag ist David Harbour wieder in der Garage, meistens, weil ich so eine gute Zeit hatte, mit ihm zu sprechen, die letzte Zeit. Das war 2018, auf Episode 921. Ich erinnere mich, dass ich mich gefreut habe. Und ich erinnere mich, dass ich um acht Monate alt war.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
So the upside down was a prophecy. The upside down was actually theater for you. Exactly, exactly.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Diarrhea-Event, a very large and ongoing aggressive behavior event where Charlie was experiencing stress and anxiety and beating up on the other cats. And when I was away, he was shitting all over the house. And it got to such a level of chaos that I put him on Prozac. And two weeks into that, I felt awful. Und ich habe ihn aus dem Prozac genommen.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Boomer lives. Monkey in La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Und dann habe ich es einfach ausgewertet und er war immer noch auf die alten Jungs. Und dann kam ich heraus, dass meine Arztin etwas herausgefunden hat. Ich meine, sie wusste es. Ich meine, sie hat es nicht herausgefunden. Sie hat mir etwas Gabapentin versprochen, was ein Schmerzkiller und ein Dufus-Maker ist. Which I still have on tap. I haven't used it yet. But I tried this other stuff.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
She said Zylkein or Zylkein. And it's some sort of supplement. You know, derived from bovine milk. And I was ready to try anything. And this was easier. It was capsules, but you could open them up and mix them with the food. She prescribed two a day for Charlie.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And I just was the other night, a few nights ago, I was like, I'm going to try this at night, because that seems to be when he goes nuts and gets really kind of crazy. And I gave him this Zilkine in his food. And within a couple hours, he returned to normal. He was, you know, loving and kind of warm and sweet and connected. All the aggravation had left. He wasn't aggro.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
He wasn't beating up on the cats. He was just having a nice time. And it was a fucking miracle. And I just hope it sticks. And the weight off of my back. I mean, when you live in a house with animals. And they're fucking out of their minds. It is stress all day long. I can't even imagine. I mean, with kids, it's got to be crazy. But I'm not a kid guy. I'm a cat guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And it was just causing me so much anxiety, as you guys knew. And I gave him this stuff. Oh, yeah. And I bought a cat tree. I put together a cat tree. And that's now taking up space. But it's not as terrible. And he's into it. He's like back to his old self, sleeping with me, being sweet. You know, he's still an asshole and he's still a troublemaker.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But that fundamental aggravation is gone and it was such a fucking relief. I just hope it sticks, you know, because I got to take one more trip out there on the road and I guess we'll see. You know, I've got the gabapentin on backup and this zilking stuff. She said I could give him twice a day and maybe we can keep him level. But it was almost like it reconfigured his brain so
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Back to who he used to be. It feels like he was stuck in this aggravated space. And God knows I relate to that. I mean, you don't know what's going to make something pass. But I feel like, I don't know if this is the direct effect of administering the medicine, the supplement, or whether he's just kind of reengaged with himself and with me. And now I'm going to disrupt that this week.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
So we'll see. But what a relief. Für mich und für diejenigen, die das mit mir durchgehen. Ich habe keine Probleme damit, aber ich weiß nicht, wie viel Zeit ich noch habe, um eine neue Jamband in mein Herz zu lassen. After I talked to Trey and listened to some Phish, I realized it was a completely different music in a lot of ways than the jam band I grew up with to a degree.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I mean, I'm sure many of you have seen the movies. If you don't know who he is, maybe you saw Scanners, The Dead Zone, The Fly, A History of Violence, Eastern Promises, many, many movies. He's got a new film out. It's called The Shrouds. Some of his movies are challenging for different reasons. Some of his movies are challenging for narrative reasons.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And I used to live with Deadheads and I'd been to a few shows. I was never a guy who traveled with them, but I can get into the zone pretty easily. And I lived in the zone for a couple of years with these guys. And so I knew the groove in terms of what a jam band show should be or what a jam band event is and what jam band music does and how it works. I can lock into it.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I didn't know what to expect from it. But Trey said, I told him I'd never been to a show. He said, you got to come to a show and I'll get you into the show when you want to come to the show. And they were here in L.A. So I reached out and he got me, you know, a nice box of Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. And Trey loved it.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
But I didn't really realize stupidly that this community is so interwoven and so tight and so specific that I was walking around and they were like, ah, you made it. Huh? He got you here. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people are like, hey, man, this is it, huh? The first Fizz Show. Have a good set, man. You know, and it was it was kind of overwhelming. I was like and I felt pressure.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I felt a little pressure, you know, like all eyes were upon me when they weren't on fish, but they weren't. But there were some people watching me. And so I got set up in the box and, you know, Kit came about, you know, half hour later, she'd gotten off work. And the groove of the fish community was exactly what I anticipated in the way of like, let's get let's do this.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Let's get into this groove and see where it takes us. The lights were amazing. The sound was amazing. It's not too loud at the bowl. And it was good. The first set was kind of songs with not a lot of exploration. And then there's a nice break. And then they come back and they do the other thing. Which is the journey, I imagine. I didn't do any research into how one speaks about these things.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And I wouldn't say I'm part of the Phish fam at this point in time. But I understood how it worked. And it was good. It was good. But the odd thing about a jam-band world and the jam-band community is that if you know the songs, and I knew none, So that level of excitement was not there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
And if you are part of these experiences, these shows, and you go to many of them, you're waiting for, you know, different versions or comparing versions of songs or, you know, versions or sort of experiences with the second set, with other second sets. And I know all that exists, but I knew none of the music. But I was able to walk into the songs. I did the jig, I wiggled. I grooved a little bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Some of his movies are challenging for graphic, kind of, you know, grotesque body horror, which is just a subgenre imposed by critics on Cronenberg. I think he's just a filmmaker that has a thematic... kind of, I wouldn't say obsession, but he is working out life through art in the way that he does and a lot of it is a bit on the gnarly side.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I rocked back and forth. I got into it. The headspace was... I know how to get there without weed, without shrooms, without that help. There was enough weed around me to where I'm sure I got a little buzz. But the music itself will get you there. And I understood how it... Es hat geklappt. Ich wusste, dass wir etwas in dem zweiten Set bauen wollten.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
Aber ich denke, dass wenn du die Songs kennst, wenn du die Songs kennst und du fragst, was nächstes kommt oder was sie zusammenbringen werden. Ich verstehe es. Ich verstehe die Reise. Ich war auf der Reise. Aber ich muss ehrlich sein. Ich bin früh geflogen. And I don't want to be judged for that. It's just it's my anxiety. It's my age. And in my defense, I left the stones early.
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Episode 1638 - David Cronenberg
I do not want to be caught in traffic. I do not want to be caught in some sort of massive exodus. But I stayed for about an hour and a half of the second set and the full first set. And I was there an hour before I, you know, I hung out. I talked to people, saw a lot of people I knew there. But my experience was good. And I enjoyed it. I get it. The music was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, I've read some of the stuff and like this sort of, I mean, the life of somebody who has chosen to do consumer advocacy in a world of malignant capitalism.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Es fühlt sich wie eine große Reihe an an, aber ich meine, zurück zu deiner ursprünglichen, weißt du, Empathie dafür, das zu tun, war, äh, du weißt, was die Sache war, über die sie den Film gemacht haben und alles andere. Aber wie, warst du so wie vorher? Oder war das wie irgendeine Art von körperlich verändernden weißen Lichtmoment, dass das dein Leben sein wird?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Where was this? Where did you grow up? Lawrence, Kansas. Oh, okay.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Okay, so, well, these were like, you know, educated, self-aware, smart people, right?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah, like how bad was it? Like what were your major problems?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Her legal work and her advocacy has centered around environmental issues. And her most recent book is called Superman's Not Coming about the country's water crisis and why it's up to citizens to find solutions since institutions are failing us. Her home is near the Palisades fire and she was evacuated during the week. It was raging. That was the same week I evacuated my house.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Right. And then you can get answers. It was helpful. Like, this is the disaster.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And that was the first big case, right? Correct. And so you were just, you got the paperwork as a paralegal and you went out and just saw.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Also war das wie eine biblische Sache? Ihre Eltern waren einfach nur ein bisschen bewusst. Wie, weißt du, wie die Steuerschaft des Planeten, wirst du religiös wachsen? Ja, ja, ja.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah, well, you would think that most people would be like that, but it seems like we're so far removed from it.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Look, she just seemed like a great person to talk to as we're in the middle of yet another environmental crisis with no easy answers. And yeah, I'd been in contact with her on Twitter years ago. Interesting person. I mean, advocacy, consumer advocacy, environmental advocacy. It's an important role. I talked about this a little bit before in the, I guess, last week, that thank God,
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Well, here's the thing that I guess that... Durch deine Erfahrung mit der Konsumverantwortung und der Befugnis in diesen großen Firmen und der Art und Weise, wie ein solcher Fall entsteht, habe ich mir vorgestellt, dass sie manchmal funktionieren, manchmal nicht. Manchmal zahlen die Kriminellen für die Schäden, die sie verursachen, und manchmal weaseln sie sich davon aus.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Aber egal, ob sie zahlen oder nicht, die Menschen werden zerstört. Die Menschen sind krank, die Gemeinschaften werden zerstört.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ich denke, es ist schwer für mich, mein Gehirn umzusetzen, dass du es kannst, und vielleicht ist das die Fortität oder Teil der Dyslexie, um es irgendwie in einer Art und Weise darzustellen, dass du dein Gehirn nicht verlieren wirst oder dass du dich nicht spürst oder nicht hoffnest, dass es diese Idee gibt, dass wenn du wegschippst und diese Stände immer wieder machst, dass, ich weiß nicht, ob wir das Problem lösen, aber zumindest, dass du es versuchst.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
The bottom line thing. We can take the hit, you know, as opposed to recall the cars. But we're not going to fix the problem. Yeah, we're going to kill people.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Okay. But let's say we start this in the situation we're in now, which is for me, I'm watching the Duty Watch app. Every 10 minutes. The evacuation line got pretty close to where I am. I could see that coming in. It was over there by the two. But that area, nothing burned over there. I didn't know. I was looking at my app. I'm like, red is bad. I don't care what shade it is. I left for a night.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
In my mind, I mean, as you said earlier, we knew this could happen, you know, forever. I mean, you know, I think the natives didn't even want to live here because of those winds, you know, hundreds of years ago. Joan Dinian wrote about it in the 60s. And you talk about infrastructure a lot. But my first reaction is, well, I got to get the fuck out of here.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Not loyalty to, because I got a little pushback when I talked about, you know, this is never going to change. And either, you know, you adapt or leave and there is no crime in that.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Fucking God, if you believe in God. Or just be grateful that there are people that still are civic-minded, want to help people, want to bring up these truths and realities and events that should be stopped. or should be reckoned with, pollutants, climate change, stuff that we need to kind of come together on. But everybody's sort of isolated in their own little cocoon of their phone or whatever.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
For eight years. I mean, when I was living in Highland Park and I had a gas leak, Und wir haben versucht, es zu tracken. Und die Gaskompanie kam und sie hat eine Hose in der Straße vor meinem Haus gelegt, um eine Verbindung zu vermitteln. Und ich sagte, oh mein Gott, ich meine, wie alt ist das Ding? Und dieser Kerl war 1901. Und ich bin so, ist die ganze Stadt so? Und er ist so, ja, sag niemandem.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And do you think that is because of budgetary reasons or just laziness? Or I mean, do you think that people are delusional enough? Because I know people on the ground like myself, you know, something like this happens and it's still burning. And your brain is like, well, I'm just going to I got to get back to my routine. It's not here now. I get you know what I mean? Let's.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Es gibt so viele Dinge, die wir tun können. Denkst du an mehr Goats fliegen?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
It's so funny. It's not funny. It was very sad and touching, though. I saw a reel on Instagram of a woman who went back to her burned down house. And her sheep were alive.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And it just, I'm just, I'm very grateful for people that dedicate their life to speaking up, to calling shit out. You know? I mean, we live in a time where this idea of speaking truth to power, that's all well and good if you've got the courage or the wherewithal or even the facts to do it with. But now we're entering this time where... Die Macht spricht die Wahrheit. Sie weint die Wahrheit.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah, I mean, that's the hardest thing. That's what I was going to tell you before, is that when I talked about leaving, I had a lot of people that were like, we love our city, we're going to build back better and bigger. And I'm like, well, the wind is not going to go away. It's not. And this is the reality of where we're at now.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
But when you talk about this stuff and the other cases you've kind of been involved with... Ich meine, in derselben Weise wie es die individuelle Verleumdung gibt, um zu überleben oder um eine Art und Weise der Leben und Routine zu behalten. Ich meine, ich verstehe es wirklich nicht. Ich verstehe die Idee von Griechisch.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Aber ich verstehe nicht, an welchem Punkt, ich glaube, die corporate Mindset wird einfach komplett insensibel geworden. New Zealand won't let them in. How do you bend that in your experience with pushing back on corporate structures? How do you bend them into understanding that we have to go the other direction?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Und wenn die Macht laut genug weint an der Wahrheit, für eine lange Zeit genug, dann wächst die Wahrheit. Und, äh, du weißt, sie verlässt und versteckt sich, bis sie eine Gap durchfindet, bis sie einen Weg durchfindet. Und es sind Leute wie Aaron Brockovich, die dieses Art von Arbeit machen. Because power really doesn't want truth to be speaking to it. I mean, I guess that's the whole idea.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
ähm, kind of aggressive developers who are probably gonna, you know, I don't know what happens to Altadena, you know, but I imagine that a lot of those people aren't gonna get paid out properly, that the rebuilding process is gonna be, you know, um, overwhelming, but, you know, how do you stop developers from buying people out, you know, at a low dollar to just take over an entire neighborhood or a community?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Well, he did some of that with the rental hikes and with eviction notices immediately. Yeah.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah, and that's another tricky thing to find now.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
In deiner Erfahrung, wenn du Gemeinschaften zusammenbringst, um diese Kämpfe zu kämpfen, sagst du, dass es meistens mit Moms beginnt?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
I don't even know where that speaking truth to power came from. But now, like in comedy, Jesus, man. You know, we're back in it. I remember this from the first Trump term. These weeks and months, the beginning of the administration. You're up on stage and you're taking it on, if that's where you're coming from. And you're making it funny.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Und was tust du, wenn du das tust? Bist du sicher, dass sie gut repräsentiert werden? Oder wie funktioniert das?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Also gehen sie durch das städtische Regierung generell? Und es beginnt mit Städtenhallen und dann beginnt es mit der Rückführung an die städtischen Repräsentanten. Ja. Aber an welchem Punkt, weißt du, wer sagt, wir müssen einen Lehrer bekommen? Ist das Teil deines Gigs?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
That Altadena, that one of those towers shorted out in the wind? Yeah. Okay.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Well, I mean, but that happens a lot. I mean, these towers are always blowing up or these power stations.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Aber auch, wie du weißt... Aber du bist immer noch gegen den Fakt, dass, du weißt, du hast Lunatiks, die Feuer setzen. Du hast andere Orte von Feuer. Und du hast diese Bedingungen, die nicht verändern werden. Und du wirst nicht ablehn, alle Brasen zu managen. Let the goats go.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ja, ich meine, das scheint der wichtige Element zu sein. Und das seltsame daran ist, dass es keinen Geist gibt. Das geht beide Wege. Es gibt keinen Geist, der dir helfen kann. Aber es gibt auch keinen, der effektiv außerhalb von den Leuten, die das tun, was du tust, für die Leute schaut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
But these people, I'll call them these people, are very sore winners. They vote the guy in and they're like, well, good. Now everybody can shut the fuck up. There's a lot of loud, power to truth people. And they're... They're still upset.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ich meine, wir haben dieses grundlegende Verständnis oder diesen falschen Sinn der Sicherheit, dass, naja, all das wird gesichert. Wir wissen nur, dass, naja, meine Kraft ist an, also das ist gut. But, you know, we don't know, most people don't know what's really going on in terms of safety of infrastructure in any way. We take it for granted.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
So like, yeah, I talked to somebody the other day that, you know, in terms of rebuilding and in terms of changing building materials, it's going to look like everyone's going to live in cement houses.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
To secure communities from the, at least to temper the risk of fire.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Now, in the face of the political culture that we're about to enter, where you have a sort of unbridled champion of disaster capitalism and a seeming lack of care or acknowledgement of science, do you just see that as making your... Or the people struggle more difficult. Because a lot of what you're saying makes sense to me.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And I'm not doubting that people on the ground in communities, once something horrible happens, they mobilize. But there's also a lot of people that have given up in some way. And that are despairing or despondent or hopeless. So how do you, you know, if they don't wake up to the disaster, you know, how do we start to mobilize that world? So I...
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
They're still upset because it's so taxing for them to indulge or listen to or entertain or have any patience with anybody that thinks differently than them other than shut the fuck up. Or other than like, I don't have to deal with you anymore. That's where we're at now. You make me uncomfortable and I don't like it and I resent you for it. And I disdain you for it.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And then how do you deal with the people that in their hopelessness become angry and grievance driven and are easily manipulated by more insidious forces to push back on the truth?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Das ist interessant. dass es einen Ausgangspunkt gibt. Leidenschaft ist eine Sache, aber Angst ist eine andere. Aber letztendlich hat das auch einen Ausgangspunkt.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
State Representatives and government, right? Who have ultimately, you know, are being kind of turned out by business in a state, right? And then you have a lot of people, a lot of people who are fundamentally against the government in terms of they just see that as a racket. And on some level it is, because we talked about that. But how do you shift... You know, that sentiment.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Because, you know, the only other way to deal with these things is through, you know, privatization, which, you know, leaves the sort of vulnerability of total greed and ineffectiveness. You know, and sometimes the government works hand in hand with obviously corporate powers. But I mean, how do we get people to believe?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Because what we're talking about here is that, you know, representative democracy has to work in this situation.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Right? On a state level. So I think the other obstacle is getting people to believe that government is necessary.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And it's just like, it's exhausting. You're just doing, I'm just doing jokes. And some, you know, couple of drunky, Trumpy people in the back at the store the other night just couldn't fathom that somebody was talking about their leader in a derisive way and And, you know, you get that sort of like, I thought you were supposed to be funny.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Right. And also, I guess you have to sort of... Du sprichst von diesen Moms und so, aber es fühlt sich so an, außerhalb von dem, worüber du sprichst, und ich bin sicher, dass es viele Leute gibt, die den gleichen Fokus und Angst haben, wie du, dass es diese Idee gibt, dass es vielleicht keinen Witz ist, aber du willst einen Leiter, den du glauben kannst. Glauben in dich selbst.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Well, collectively, not to interrupt, but collectively, it's that apathy in the face. Because it goes two ways with this sort of like, you are your own leader. You're the one who takes the emotional responsibility. But I think a lot of people... in Bezug auf das, wo sie leben, oder ihr Verständnis für die Entschädigung, oder ihre Klasse, oder ihre Status in der Welt.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ich meine, die persönliche Verantwortung zu ihnen wird selbstständig. Was du also sprichst, ist, dass es eine Art Wachstum von innen gibt, in einem rechtlichen Weg, und dann versuchst du, andere Leute zu sehen, was du siehst.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Well, they don't ask themselves many questions.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah, and also there has to be the realization that there's nothing more important than this.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Right, but also just as a species, that at some point you're going to have to pull away from the kind of churn of making yourself feel better through consumerism or whatever, or distracting yourself, to sort of realize like, well, our survival... in der Lage ist, in der Lage ist, in der Lage ist, in der Lage ist, in der Lage ist,
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ja, ja, ja. I just hope that it can happen in a spark in light of this brain-mangling technology that's thrown everybody into conspiratorial thinking. There's a lot of broken brains out there because of misinformation. Let's just talk for a minute about right now... We've talked a little bit about it, but in light of the Palisades fire and the Altadena fire, what has to happen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And it's like, you know, I can just tell by your tone that your approval is not that important to me. And, you know, funny is pretty subjective. And the way this show is structured here at this club, you know, you just kind of wait it out. You can't keep your mouth shut for 15 minutes until I get done. And now I have to engage with you. And I said, this is funny.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
The PTSD and the sort of grief and figuring out just on a personal level what they have to do with their families and housing.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And hopefully the larger government. Absolutely. The federal government.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Und dann beginnt es, wenn die Leute aus der Explosion des Traumas kommen, dann beginnt man, praktische Dinge zu behandeln. Was war das Wasserproblem? Was war das Powerproblem?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
There's a lot of people in here that were laughing. And she said, well, you were talking about freedom of speech, so I'm speaking up. And I'm like, yeah, but there's no freedom of speech here in this club where I'm the guy with the mic and the act on stage. I'm talking and that's the context of the situation we're in. I'm telling you, man. They had to take her out and she was yelling.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
A personal one, a community one, a political one, whatever needs to happen.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And... Well, everyone's got these watches now.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
It's sort of amazing that you also have to figure out how, and this is just a matter of how any individual is wired, not to be fatalistic. You seem to be proactive immediately, mentally, to kind of just forge forward and continue to fight the fight. And, you know, that's a tall order for a lot of people.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Und danke Gott für Feuerwehrleute. Oh mein Gott. Ich dachte an den anderen Tag, weil so viele Leute, sie wollen nicht bestimmte Jobs machen, aber danke Gott, dass es diese Leute gibt, für die sie leben. Gemeinsames Service und helfen ist eine Sache, aber diese Leute mögen Feuerwehren kämpfen.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Danke Gott, wenn das wie ein anderer typischer ziviler Service wäre, wo die Leute sagten, was ist der Punkt? Oder sie wurden gejagt. Es war mir am letzten Tag erstaunlich, dass es eine Art Person ist, dass das, was sie leben, zu tun ist. Absolut. Und danke Gott. Danke.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
It's like, I don't know what you're talking about politics. It's just like, God damn. It's just an upward slog when you're working at these rooms where you're performing for everyone. And I get it. You know, I understand you're upset because you won. And someone's, you know, fucking with your buzz.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah. WTF, right? Yeah, you can, sure. WTF. Ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah, the empathy combined with that self-realization you're talking about seems to be the kind of community engine, personal engine, the political engine. We have to find that as a country as well, being that we're so divided, this realization that we are really all in this together and we're all vulnerable.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ja, ich glaube dir. Und ich hoffe, dass das, worüber du sprichst, wie ein Wildfeuer ist.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Yeah, yeah, there's no one coming to help.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Where's my mommy? Where's my daddy? But we're here.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
It was great talking to you. It was very helpful.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And look, I try to be as diplomatic as possible, but when the trend is for power to yell at truth or to tell truth to shut the fuck up, it becomes kind of a different job. This weekend I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Libero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And I'm here to support you through it. Well, thank you. Because now I'm sort of invigorated out of my dread and despair. And I'll think about what we talked about. Thanks for coming. Thanks, Mark. There you go. You want to get involved? Get involved. Again, Aaron's newsletter is called The Brockovich Report. It's on Substack. Hang out for a minute.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Hey people, the Oscar nominations were announced last week and if you go back through our shows from the past year, you can hear several of the nominees talking about their films. Cynthia Erivo, Adrian Brody, Jesse Eisenberg, Clarence Macklin and Sebastian Stan, who was on episode 1580 talking about The Apprentice.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
To get every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. And here's some guitar, like I play what I play. Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater, Saturday, February 1st. Iowa City at the Englert Theater. On Thursday, February 13th. Des Moines, Iowa at Hoyt Sherman Place on Friday, February 14th. Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland on Saturday, February 15th. Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel on Thursday, February 20th.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater on Friday, February 21st. Louisville, Kentucky at the Baumhardt. Always love that one. The challenge is there for you. Baumhardt Ich hoffe, dass ich das nicht mache. through language and through tone.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. What's happening? You alright? Are you keeping it together? Did you get that shit done? Oh, that's a universal question. Did you get that shit done? I don't know. It's just there's so much to do.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And I think there's something about the isolation we all live in, even among people, because of our devices and how we take in information, that it trivializes the human component.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
I think that conspiracy thinking, as opposed to just dealing with the humanity of a situation, once you start speculating about the reason it happened or the intentions, no matter how far-fetched, what you're erasing is the humanity of the situation. Und ich weiß, dass das nicht lustig ist, aber es ist nur ein Teil meines Gehirns, das daran arbeitet.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Und ich denke immer an die Lenny-Bruce-Szenen, wo er all die Sprachen für all die verschiedenen Typen von Menschen begonnen hat. Für Schwarze, für Juden, für Italiener oder was auch immer. Und er begann, diese Idee zu machen, was Sprache bedeutet und was Wörter bedeuten. Und dass sie nur Wörter sind. And I get that, and I think that's true.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
But words through repetition that diminish the humanity of people or groups of people, you're taking away... Die Idee oder die Realität, dass diese alle unterschiedliche Menschen sind, mit verschiedenen Leben, verschiedenen Aspirationen, verschiedenen Reisen, wo sie hergekommen sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Sie können gute Leute sein, sie können schlechte Leute sein, aber egal, was der Fall ist, sie sind individuelle Menschen, die unter einem Label verbunden sind. specifically to dehumanize them with language so it's easier to not see them as people who are vulnerable. And I don't know, that comes into play. Ja, genau. You have to work it. It's a muscle you have to work.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
I don't think it happens naturally. I think in moments of crisis that people usually show up for each other because it's in those moments seeing real suffering or tragic moments like fires or war or whatever that people show up for people because they can see their own humanity and the humanity of others. But that's not a day-to-day occurrence.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And the tone of commentary and culture and political speak is now operating at such an amped up level. Look, I used to do radio. And I was thinking about this too, because when I did radio, I have to get into the mode of talking with a certain intensity without stopping. It's a focus that relies on a specific energy to drive it. And I think people are so amped up
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
with their anger, their grievance or their actual contempt or hate. dass der Risiko, einen Atemzucker zu nehmen, oder dass man gezwungen wird, einen Atemzucker zu nehmen, weil jemand etwas Contrary zu dem, was man glaubt, sagt, eine furchtbare Sache ist, mit der sie sich nicht aushalten wollen.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ich denke, es gibt eine Situation, in der die Menschen sich erfolgreich von ihrer Menschheit entfernt haben, für ideologische Gründe. Und diese ideologischen Gründe passieren in einer sehr hohen Intensität. Und sie wollen es nicht langsam machen, weil der Risiko da ist, nicht wie ein Narzisst, sich selbst zu sehen, der Risiko da ist, dass du dich mit deiner eigenen Menschheit konfrontierst.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Und ich denke, wir brauchen mehr davon. Und wir werden es weiter brauchen. Also, wir sprechen noch über die Feuer. Wir haben hier nur ein paar Tage Regen. Oh mein Gott, danke Gott, wenn du in Gott glaubst. I mean, such a relief. And there's no breathing space between, you know, fire and rain. You know, the rains were coming after these monumentally horrible fires.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And right away it's like mudslides, look out for mudslides. It's just, let's just get wet. Can we just get wet? Please make everything wet. So, Erin Brockovich is a consumer advocate, environmental advocate, and she fights the good fight, and that is her life. Her newsletter is called The Brockovich Report, which you can subscribe to on Substack.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
January 8th edition is titled An Unsettling Start to the New Year, which includes a lot of info about the fires. And it was a pleasure to talk to her and to be inspired in a way, because we all get into our own lives together. And our own lives are important and we just hope the outside world doesn't crush us. And it's hard to know how you can help.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
And this conversation with Aaron was helpful to me. Maybe it will be to you. This is me talking to Aaron Brockovich.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
All seemingly just as important as the other thing. But most of it just bullshit. Tomorrow... If you're in Los Angeles, I'll be at Largo here in Los Angeles tomorrow night, Largo at the Coronet. Today on the show, I'm going to talk to Erin Brockovich. I guess most of you remember her name or know her by the movie that's based on her, where she was played by Julia Roberts.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Ich weiß, meine Lungen sind alle verdammt.
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
So, did you, were you affected directly? By the fires?
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Episode 1612 - Erin Brockovich
Also hast du dich auf das Emergency Evac gelegt, um zu finden, dass es nicht... Korrekt. Und wartest du bereit? Hast du all deine Sachen?
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
When I really think people are funny, it is such an exciting thing for me. And forever, I believe, and I still believe this to this day, that Nick Kroll naturally Just innately is really one of the funniest people around. And, you know, I think I kind of tell him that to his face. I don't know. Did I?
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I'll be there and I'll pay for it. I'll be there in money. Yeah, they have to ship him back to New Jersey. Das ist, was er will.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ich glaube, ja. Von meinen Großeltern. Ja. Da draußen. Und ich glaube, es gibt ein paar von ihnen da draußen. Seine Frau kümmert sich nicht um mich. Sie sagt, wenn ich weg bin, kümmere ich mich um mich.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Sie haben das jetzt, Alter. Ja, ja, ja. Das ist verrückt. Ja. You can literally just go get a, you can go get compost. Yeah, mushroom sack. But it's crazy, like it's because they show it. Like they have a whole process where, you know, you literally, they let you decay and then they grind you up into soil.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That's green burial, yeah. And I don't think they just put the body and let that do it. Right.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Warum ist es nicht schlechter, als zu brennen? Ja, sicher. Aber ich meine, ich denke, es gibt einen Ort, wo ich... Ich weiß nicht, ob du dein Lieblingsgericht in einem Package Pottungssoil hast. Es ist nicht in Erden. Man kann es pflanzen. Du hast einen Pott. Ja, wir müssen anfangen... Well, that would be the best. Right? I guess so. So, I don't know. But yeah, he's going to go back to Jersey.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
My grandparents, my other grandparents buried in Jersey. I'm not even sure where they are.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I've been there. It's over in Elizabeth, New Jersey, next to a Budweiser factory. In the fucking worst industrial part of town. This little Jewish cemetery tucked away with all the sagging graves. Because the pine box idea. It's like, well, you're going to have to fill in once it falls into the hole. Du musst den Topf ein bisschen füllen mit deinem Pinbox.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, du weißt, die älteren sind diejenigen, die ungefähr 4- bis 10-Inch-Sack haben.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Sind alle deine Leute noch lebendig? Jemand tot?
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
The satanic signaling. Wenn du die Übersetzung zu Revelation und der Nostradamus, der Upside-Down-Bibel, ansprichst, dann war das der Anfang davon.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Maybe I'm a little maybe I hold back a little bit, but truly a very funny, gifted, overly talented person. How could I just make being talented kind of a slight? He's overly talented. But I get a big kick out of him and it's always fun to talk to the guy. And in another way, I guess another thing that I kind of wanted to talk about because it seems to be kind of possessing me.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Und du fliegst nicht raus? Du konntest nicht fliegen?
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I don't know what it is. I think if you're going to pick an animal to represent the spirit of a person, make it a fucking bird. You know what I mean? It's like that dog across the street. That fucking idiot dog. That's my ex. That's my late partner.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Sorry about the Floyd thing. Let me ask you a Jewish question. Because I'm really trying to source this out. So I had Modi on. Yes. And it was exciting. He's an exciting fellow. Indeed. And I'm happy for his success because God knows he earned it. He's very Jewish. Yes. And very Israeli and very, you know, he talks a lot about Moshiach, Moshiach energy. Moshiach energy. Moshiach energy.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Oh, you know the Modi thing. Yeah, I was just listening on the way here. I was getting ready. So, you know, he goes. It was fine. He gave me a hat, the Moshiach energy hat. Mazel. Mhm. Mhm. So, I got you this, and it's a framed Shema. It's like, it's the mezuzah scroll in a frame.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I'm like, this is guilt-driven. Sure. Like, you shitty Jew, are you afraid to represent by showing a mezuzah outside of your house? If that's the case, you shitty Jew, maybe you could put this inside the door. Am I misreading that? I mean, I think that's a mild way of putting it. I mean, I'm not saying he's a bad guy or anything. I thought it was brilliant. It's sort of ancient Jewish guilt. Yes.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
How could you cowardly fuck? Why isn't there a... Why don't you want the world to know where to come get you?
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
So you get the protection that you don't deserve.
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Elijah wird all die Weile rein kommen, um zu erkennen, dass er im richtigen Haus ist. Er kommt rein, sitzt drinnen und sieht es. Und er wird sagen, es ist okay, er hatte es nicht draußen, aber okay. Aber lass uns das aus dem Weg nehmen. Wie fühlst du dich über diesen Film?
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Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Well, first I want to mention Brent Weinbach. who was on episode 839, has a new special out, a new stand-up special. It's called Brent Weinbach, Popular Culture, and you can watch that on YouTube right now. Now, Brent, he's a whole other ball of wax. I don't know if you know Brent, but that is a world of comedy where it's sort of, I don't know, I don't know how you would describe it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Well, I watched it and I don't know if I'm the right audience. First of all, I'm not a horror... Can we use that for the poster?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
No, because like, well, here's my experience, because I know like I'm not a horror guy. So I would put this in the horror comedy genre. Sure. Right? Is that what it is?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Farce. Yes. That's the word I want. Yeah. Because I think you got to know that going in. Uh-huh. Right. I really think it's important. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, because I didn't know anything about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, like it's like a gay rom-com-y thing. And this is good. This is not really a stretch for Nick, but finally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Not really a stretch for Cole, but finally. He's free. Let me know. So I'm watching it, and I'm like, alright, well, this is cute. And then I text my producer, I'm like, what am I watching? He goes, I think something happens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But here's my whole thing. The arc of the thing. I know it's a style and the sort of attitudes that you two have, sort of self-involved, only thinking about the baby, on your anniversary trip to Italy, and this farce occurs. I didn't really know the framework, but obviously once the first accident happens, we're in a different zone. Yes. And then we live in that other zone. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But after all is said and done, there's part of me that still wants to frame it as just a regular movie. Sure. And when you look at it in that light, it's like, those guys just got away with it. Yes. And now they're happy parents.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That's a side note. Yes. Okay. I guess I was expecting that movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
There is a school of comedy that it kind of, moves through anti-comedy and kind of hyper-abstract comedy and just oddball-ish comedy, but stuff that's challenging, maybe a little cringy. And for the most part in my life, not totally my cup of tea, really. I can appreciate it and I know when it's done well. And I did have some moments when I watched that Andy Kaufman doc
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Was für ein verdammter Schmerz. Du musst den ganzen Tag schlafen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I just sold it to my producers going, I'm like, it lives up to your expectations. Rome does. Yes. Like if you've never been there and you go there, you're like, holy shit. Yes. Like all the art, all the architecture, all that stuff. How long were you there for?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Du hast das schöne Essen, du gehst herum, da ist der Fountain, das ist das Haus des Popes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
You know what I mean? It's the worst when you, like, it's incredible how quickly sound can destroy a fucking vacation. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, mit meiner Frau. Und wir waren zum Reisen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I think the decision happened when... Here's what it really was. I'm not against kids. But the truth be told, I never once thought about having one. Sure. That was really it. Yeah, that's fair. And when I was married the first time, and she all of a sudden, you know, with no knowledge, I had no knowledge, she was taking prenatal vitamins. I'm like, I gotta get out of this. So... Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I have nothing against children, but I feel like I'm fundamentally too selfish and too panicky and too... I can't trust my emotions. Sure. So, like, you know, all of it... But the fact that I never once...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
My brother's got three. He adopted three over time. And, like, even when I see people with kids, even when people tell me, like, you know, it really is something, it changed your life, the whole sort of, like, cult of children propaganda, which is real. Sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, and I think that, you know, I think my fear is... in that how I grew up emotionally, that I don't know that I could necessarily protect my kids from that. Uh-huh. From, you know, lack of boundaries over, you know, worrying. I was brought up, I, not, it wasn't love as much as it was panic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
It was just worry and like, you know, everybody, we were just appendages.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
that made me rethink it or maybe I'm older and I'm less stuck in my ways around what I think stand-up is or what I think comedy is. I've definitely broadened my mind. But I will say this, and the only reason I'm talking about it, it's not some sort of plug, but I'm surprised at my own experience and reaction to it. Because I've struggled with Nathan Fielder just as an artist for a while.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Should I respond to my dad's wife? I just want to pitch some ideas for my eulogy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Of a narcissist. No, but I just, I think the panic and the worry, like I have this anxiety problem anyways, I don't know how that wouldn't translate.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, you're a pretty well grounded guy, I think, emotionally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
He does not express himself anymore. And that's the way I want it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, es ist interessant mit all diesen Therapeuten, wo findest du Zeit für die Kinder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But you find that... Over-therapized? No. I think it's a luxury. Oh, it's a deep luxury. And it's not a bad thing. But I have found... I just started going again recently. Mm-hmm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That's what Mulaney said. Like, I did his show. He was running shit at Largo. And I talked about, like, finally, you know, getting on some medication. And Mulaney gets out there and goes, wait, this is the first time Mark decided to try medication. We've all been going through his life, all this, and he's never... He never even gave us the opportunity to get himself on meds.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Well, I mean, I did a little bit way back, you know, but not for long. But the anxiety thing was, you know, starting to become kind of... Debilitating? Well, just sort of like, what, you know, is this normal? Like, for some reason, my insistence that secretly everyone is exactly like me. That I'm going to speak to you as if you're hiding me inside of you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Exactly. Yeah, sure. And I think I finally realized, like, no, dude, they're laughing at you. They're not laughing with you, which is fine. Sure. Yeah. We'll take it. Of course. But it's funny, I'm doing a bit on my show about that, because in the special I just shot about my feelings about SSRIs, because I'm weird about them, and I know they work for people. Sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But for me, I just don't want to be... You know, I don't want to cloud my whatever. Of course. But I went to a psychiatrist to get evaluated. And I said, I'm not comfortable with the SSRIs because it's just me. I know they work. I have to keep saying that because anytime I bring up my aversion to SSRIs, I get emails from people going like, you know, it's really negative. Sure, sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But he suggested this other medication. He said it's a more focused dopamine thing and it's primarily for, you have obsessional anxiety and it's for that. And then he says, it generally doesn't work for people. I'm like, that sounds like the right drug for me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I think it might be working a little bit. I went back to him for a reval and he said, I think we're at 30% and we're looking for 50. I'm like, great. He says, why don't you take a little more?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Because there's something fundamentally about him that makes me uncomfortable. It's not that I don't like him. There's just certain people that make me uncomfortable. And it is part of his thing. I mean, he does either intentionally or just by being challenge you to reckon with him. And I've watched a few of his shows. I watched the first season of the rehearsal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Nein, nein, es hat nicht das eine. Es ist vielleicht ein bisschen ein Dizzy-Ding, aber nein, ich habe nicht das, du weißt, das Entschädigung. Aber ich denke, es stoppt einige der Ruminierungen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
No, that's the other thing. It's funny, I have this shrink, who I won't do Zoom. I'm going in person. I want to sit on the couch, I want to judge a guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But when I went to get rechecked just last week, he's like, well, the only other alternative is, you know, die Prozac oder so. Und dann sagt er, das hat die sexuellen Auswirkungen. Mit einer Intention. Er legte sich auf das ein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, genau. Aber es gibt einen Teil von mir, der denkt, ich bin mit dem auch fertig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, vielleicht die Angst. Vielleicht ist es alle verbunden. Lass uns die Angst entfernen. Vielleicht kann ich das Leben genießen. Das sind meine zwei großen Probleme. My dick and my panic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
They say I have it, but the doctors say I have it. He said obsessional anxiety.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I'm sober, so anything that hints at that type of drug, which is unregulated or unprescribed, that's a slippery slope. But the microdose, when you took that, what did you feel?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
You did the ketamine where you sit there with the IV?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That is the controlled trip in a not fun environment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I watched The Curse, which I think was the beginning of my moment with Fielder. was the last episode of The Curse. I liked the first season of the rehearsal. I thought it had all the elements of cringe and impact and humanity. But the last episode of The Curse, the thing he did with, I guess, who was it, Josh Safdie or Ben? Which one is it? One of those Safdies and Emma Stone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Anyway, so. Krummholtz, he is the Jew on all of our shoulders. We all have a Krummholtz on our shoulder going, what are you doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But so, now the ayahuasca thing, now this is sort of a bougie, you know, group, you know, you go with a... It is, it can be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, I think the last time I saw you was at the Art Out, the gallery opening of your wife's installation and work.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Look, rarely in a series, and I'm finding this more so than not, do I have the patience to get through it. Und, you know, there have been some sort of, some comedy series, but most series in general. Once the premise is set up and then you're in it and then, yeah, after a few episodes of that, it's sort of like, all right, I get it. Now what? There's just a redundancy to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
which I thought were very good, because I studied photography, I studied the history of photography, and some of this stuff. I'm always very taken with artists who have a fairly specific vision, and that is their mode of expression. So if the artist is good and has done their work, Du schaust nach vollständigen Ausdrucken von sich selbst. Sie haben ihre eigenen Poetik zu ihnen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Und ich dachte, es war alles sehr gut. Und ich mag es. Ich mag es, in Kunstschulen zu gehen, wo ich sage, ich bin in den Händen eines Profis hier.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Nein. Nein. Ich weiß nicht, wie man sie nennt, man nennt sie Piktographen, wo man Dinge auf Papier legt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Sie spielt auch daran. Ja, aber es gibt so viel Experimentation und chemische Kontrolle, die mit fotografischen Prozessen zu tun hat. Ja. Too much crap. But you couldn't fucking bullshit your way through it. No. No, you can't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, ich habe einfach gemerkt, ich liebe Fotografie, ich liebe Fotos, aber um wirklich Kontrolle darüber zu haben, musst du wirklich Licht und Chemikalien kennen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Nein, weil meine Obsessivität nicht von der Nerd-Qualität her ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Nein, nein, es ist nur so, dass ich das hätte tun können, wenn ich das nur gemacht hätte. Aber das ist zu viel. Ich werde das aufhören. Es ist zu viel zu wissen. Wie kann ich überhaupt denken, dass das gut ist, wenn ich das nicht wusste?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Oh mein Gott, wie Wes Anderson. Ja, was ist das? Das ist fast zu dem Punkt, wo es zu viel ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, und manchmal siehst du dich einfach so aus wie, ich denke, er sollte noch Fotos machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah. I know people hear that, though. They're thinking, does she do topiary? No, it's not. It's different.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ich liebe New York für diesen Grund. Ich habe einmal ein Buch gelesen, das mein Leben verändert hat. Und niemand kann das Buch finden. Und ich weiß, dass es existiert. Es war wirklich um... original concept for Central Park.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
And then they'll throw a new character in, which is clearly, you can tell, written in to... Keep the thing going. It just drags out. I'm not sure that anything really needs to be more than six episodes in general. That aside, this new season of the rehearsal, Nathan Fielder's thing, I can't seem to shut up about it because it is so rare. And look, this is only my opinion.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Well, I don't know how far back it goes, but when they first started to build the city, they realized that in order for it to function for humans, you needed to sort of balance out green space. Like that countryside was a necessity. So this thing has to be of scope and of density and and mystery enough to provide the wild landscape.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Right. Well, I don't know if they knew that, but they were very concerned with that. It was essential to human beings to have a place that they could be in the wilderness. Yes. Totally. And I just thought that was so genius.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Like right when you walk into Central Park, two minutes in, you're like, you're out of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
No, my girlfriend's out in Sherman Oaks, and there's this huge park that is primarily flat, but they've got a couple soccer fields, baseball, workout stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Oh. No. I don't know what it is, but even that functions. Yeah. There's a purpose to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, and you can do Runyon and see that whole thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I was there recently and I hadn't been there in years. And I'm like, yeah, this is it. Yeah, you go to Runyon and you go to the Gelsons on Franklin. Right, right. It's like a block where you can walk. Two blocks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Out here you got this brand library. It's the best.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Good. Great. Yeah, that closer was good. Yeah. You saw it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
With the Taylor Swift? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really great. We had to buy the song. Oh. That cost a lot of money.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I bet. I bet she could have. Yeah. I don't think I didn't text Jack Antonoff. Hey, buddy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Quick Q, got this bit. I don't know if it helped, but it was fine. I thought the taping went great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Das Interessante an diesem Video ist, dass ich nicht zu viel abnehmen will. Ich brauche wirklich so viel Zeit, wie möglich. Weil ich nicht... Ja, du willst nicht in den Posten editen. Das tut weh. Du hast es für einen Grund gebaut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ich habe dieses Ding seit einem Jahr und einem halben Jahr gearbeitet. Und ich habe es ein bisschen flügelig gehalten und Dinge kamen rein. Auch die Tage vorher, die mir helfen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, die kleinen Beats. Aber als ich an die Show kam, wusste ich, dass das Material gut war. Aber dann wird es einfach so, dass ich mich frage, du wirst ein bisschen aufwärmen müssen. Und du wirst dich aufwärmen müssen, weil wir das alles reinbringen müssen. Und ich war einfach total sicher mit all dem. Ich war ein bisschen nervös über meine Shirt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ich werde immer über das Shirt wütend. Was wird Marc wehren, dass er es schmerzt? Ich habe eine ganze Geschichte von Kleidung. Ja. Keine Jacket, Shirt, keine Jacket, nur Shirt? Nein, ich habe mich früh auf den Outfit eingelassen und habe mich aus dem Shirt geworfen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ich muss dir aber sagen, Alter, der Ausblick dieser Dinge, weil ich in diese Dinge reingehe, denke ich, du kannst diese Dinge nicht wiederentwickeln. Es ist ein Typ auf der Bühne, der Jokes macht. Aber mein Produktionsteam-Designer war ein Genius. Echt? Das ist großartig. Er ist ein Genius. Und er hatte dieses Konzept. Der Grund, warum ich es bei der BAM Harvey gemacht habe, habt ihr da gewesen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Das ist anders als die BAM? Das ist der große.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Der kostet etwa 800. Oh, okay. Und es ist ein altes Vaudville-Theater. Oh, cool. Sie haben es nicht restauriert, sondern sie haben es in seinem Verlust versorgt. Oh, großartig. Und als ich es gesehen habe, war ich so, das ist es. Die Rückwahl. Die literale Wahl des Theaters, die wie ein Rothko-Bild. Und ich dachte, dieses ganze Ding muss über diese Wahl reden. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But it's so rare that there is something that is created that actually possesses true genius. I know this sounds... Why am I talking about this? Because I really believe that there is something comedically genius in a way that no one's ever seen before about this particular season of this show, the rehearsal. Because...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Und mein Produktionsdesigner wurde eingeladen und er hatte dieses Konzept, basierend auf Katsuki. Du weißt, das japanische Kunstwerk, das Ceramik mit Gold repariert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Und er hat es gerade gesagt. Er hat gesagt, weißt du, was Katsuki ist? Ich habe gesagt, nein, aber mach, was du denkst. Ja, ja, ja. Und das Ding sah erstaunlich aus. Und die Performance war, glaube ich, ziemlich solid. Und wir konnten zwischen beiden Shows schneiden und du hast mein Fett nicht gesehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That's where my parents are, 86 and 84, 82, 83.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
God damn it, man. Next you're going to say there's no Santa. Santa ist gestorben. Oh mein Gott. Santa ist gestorben. Ja, das ist das Ding, das wir alle versuchen, aufzulösen. Do you exercise?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I got this whoop watch, so I compete against myself. Oh, good. But I'm kind of compulsive, probably more than I admit. And I had this moment on Twitter today. I don't know what this was or where it came from. It's called extra, just be respectful. Oh, yeah. Ich kann es nicht sehen mit Marc.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
He seems mostly like an aging, grumpy, self-obsessed, neurotic, scruffy dude who is oftentimes negative with other people. He almost copies the hipster lifestyle at times. And his workout routine consists of trying to jog a little now and then. That's what bothered me. Sure. That last line. Yeah. Like, you know, I'm like, wait, you know, I work out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That grumpy guy. But his positives are he's funny, a celebrity, B or C list. Okay. In parentheses. Mark, you are squarely a B-List. Yeah, I know. And has some charisma. Some. Some. Yeah. Other than that, I just don't see it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
It's not good for your knees and shit. I drive on a treadmill.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I don't even know that I can explain it, but the fact that he is supported and given money to realize this completely unique and fucked up weird vision of exploring things is first a testament to HBO in terms of who they choose to support and produce and believe in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I tried a new thing on the treadmill today because my trainer told me to. The sprinting and then sprinting for a minute and getting it down to zero. I never did that before. I usually do four miles. Half walk, half run up inclines. And today I did a new thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
It felt good, but I get it in my head that I need to go an hour and I need to do four miles.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I'm having a hard time knowing that I turned the rice off before we came in here. Yet ten minutes later I wasn't able to fluff it. And now it's just going to sit there. And it's not going to be fluffed. It's not going to be fluffed. I mean, I'll probably get through it. This is...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I told you, the medicine's really working for me. Yeah, I can tell. So what are you doing with your talent? What's going on with Big Mouth? It's done?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Seth Rogen. Seth Rogens Gesicht auf deinem Kopf.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Du hast es gemacht, als du in der Hochschule warst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Oh, ja, sicher. Das ist ein unendliches Wellen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Wir haben ein Ding. Wir halten es auf der Date mit dem, was passiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I lived in Astoria for years, and that's barely gotten gentrified.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, I don't know. I guess I haven't been there. But when I was there, it was like there was never even a threat of it being gentrified.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I used to get off that train at 30th Avenue, the end train, and, you know, after doing comedy, and it's like 2.30 in the morning, there were entire families shopping for vegetables. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But where this show starts and where it ends up and the kind of thing where, you know, Fielder, who is kind of a mysterious guy and, you know, kind of, I think, I don't know if he refuses to do this show, but he won't do it. Because I think he's got not so much a lot to hide, but a certain mystique to maintain. You know, I know that he started...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
So how are you tapped into this generation? Are the writers 20?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I thought you directed this one that I forced myself to watch. And then when I found out you didn't direct it, I'm like, why did I watch it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
No, I will say that it was well shot and it's all there. And that...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
The whole you're dead thing. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, thank you. There's definitely funny things in there. And I think that, you know, because of my expectations, when I look back on it, it's funnier than it was when I was watching it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
In Stand-Up is sort of an anti-comic, which always used to annoy me. But now over time he has found this zone of his own comedy through these shows that is just completely unique, completely bizarre, completely uncomfortable and just utterly fucking inspired. And you got to wait for it. But it's so rare that you're waiting for something to unfold.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I don't know if I have those kind of fans, but maybe. Maybe a couple. I think that's a young fan game. Calling all you what the fuckers. Yeah, you young nerds who want to help out in this area.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck nicks? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. Today I talk to Nick Kroll. Now, Nick has been on a lot. This is the sixth time he's been on the show by himself on Episode 12. That's a long time ago with John Mulaney on Episode 743 and as El Chupacabra on three other occasions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Well, we look back today, like you were on one of the, the full episode we did was like 112. Like real early. And then there's like two in-studio Chupacabras and one live one that my buddy Brendan still laughs about. We talked about it today. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't do that character anymore, can you? No, not really.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That bit you did about your mother, like taking compliments from your mother, kills me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
You know Art Deco is my least favorite architectural movement. It's just that, I think that's helpful in the sort of assessing rage thing. Yes, literally. That tone of, you know, at any age, at some age you would hope it would stop, but that sensitivity and reactiveness to your mother that is infantile, but still exists in your old man body. It's crazy. It's crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yes. Ja. Und wenn ich dir als Vater etwas sagen kann. Bitte. Weil ich mir erzählt habe, dass deine Mutter und deine Eltern dich nicht erlaubt haben, dich zu separieren und dich selbst zu sein. Und das ist etwas, was sie bewusst machen müssen. Ja. Dass du sie verletzen musst oder ihre eigene Art von Menschheit entwickeln musst. Weil wenn du davon wegkommst, dann hast du ein Leben lang wie Mama.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I never let anyone come. I don't know why I did. I'm better at it now because I honestly don't really care, but it used to be Like if you'd let them watch you, you know, in real time, like you're going to be reacting to that. Of course. It's going to be hanging over you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Well, yeah, what you think they're thinking. I mean, it's like they're usually kind of. Whatever they say afterwards, they're in awe of it. I mean, you're doing it. So even if they're like, nice shirt, dude.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
And it's satisfying and kind of mind bending and just kind of like, what the fuck? This is crazy. And laughing. But boy, that what is it? The third, maybe the third episode of this season of the rehearsal and all of them. He's exploring air safety.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I'm watching the levels because we're yelling.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Was soll ich tun? Also, wo ist die Geschichte?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, es ist. Es ist ein Stil, aber es ist nicht intensiv. Ja, du bist so. Ich ziehe immer nur meine Arme. Fine Arts hat mir das Dokumentarfilm gemacht. Und ich bin so, holy shit, Dude. Meine Arme fallen auf dieses ganze fucking Show. Für eine Stunde und eine halbe dieser Dokumentarfilm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Sure, I'm always pulling them up. But there's at some point, like I bend over to get something out of the oven, he's shooting it, my entire ass is out. And I'm like, dude, my entire ass is out. He's like, well, we can pixelate. I'm like, no, they're waiting for it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Oh, you gotta go. No, but we've been working towards this the whole time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ja, weil du neun Räume in einem Block machen kannst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
He kind of got, he nerded out on, he obsessively researched an issue, a very specific issue in air safety, which is that a lot of airline crashes were preceded by an argument or a lack of communication in the cockpit. So What he sets out to do at the beginning of this season of the rehearsal is try to solve that problem.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, sometimes. You know, sometimes I'll talk to them and be, you know, I'll dance around it, but it becomes apparent. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, I did it with, I was talking to Liza Traeger. Uh-huh. Und dann kam Birbiglia. Und er ist immer für mich herausfordernd.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Nein, du sagst, dass er für mich herausfordernd ist, nicht für dich. Für dich ist er einfach großartig. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Das ist gut. Das erklärt nichts. Aber... No, but we, you know, I told, you know, and I've talked about this with Mike. Sure. And we left it in, you know, a lot of times my producer's like, that's not necessary. But we left it in because it was sort of getting Liza to a certain point. Because I said it, you know, and it was, it's not anything that him and I haven't gone through.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
My producer's like, you should give him a heads up. Uh-huh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Well, no, then I gotta be like, ah, fuck, now I gotta fucking own it and talk to him about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, because so much of what I do is like, you know. It's verbally, it's all tone. But it's also just this emotional dumb reaction. And immediately after I say it, when it becomes real, I'm like, God damn it. Now I gotta.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
You know, like, oh, fuck. It's not even, why did I even do it? But he said, look, you know, it's fine. And, you know, we talked about it. And he's like, but I mean, I'm going to come on because he's going to come on to promote a special.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
And he goes, I just, you know, I'd rather not do that for, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Und ich sage, natürlich, natürlich, ich bin sorry, ich bin sorry. Ich bin in Ordnung mit ihm. Ich bin in Ordnung, ich bin in Ordnung. Und ich kann es dir nicht ganz erklären. Natürlich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Ich meine, ich... Er ist ein guter Comic. Und, du weißt, es ist einfach nichts für mich. Und ich glaube nicht, dass es für jemanden anderen einfach ist. Aber es gibt eine Art und Weise, wie er sich durch sein Stand-Up bewegt. Und ich weiß, dass es alles sehr gut gekraftet ist. Aber für mich ist alles sehr Leben oder Tod. Und ich bin so, dass er einfach seinen Weg durch es fliegt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Alles das ist das Dossier. Alles, was du gesagt hast, ist mir. Ja, natürlich. Ich meine, was ist das für ein Scheiß? Well, what about my happy childhood? We haven't even talked about my happy childhood, Mark. Well, you know, I give you a pass because I find you so entertaining. Thank you. And your happy childhood, I don't begrudge you. I just can't look at it anymore. Right, of course.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
How do we get pilots and co-pilots communicating more openly so you don't have this sort of ego issue of someone deciding not to do something that the co-pilot may suggest? How do you open up the lines of communication so there's other thoughts in moments of crisis? that are communicated in the cockpit. That is the premise of this show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Just this well-loved fucking Prince kid. And I'm like, god damn it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Aber ja, aber Mike, ich weiß, er arbeitet hart, ich liebe ihn. Und du weißt, es ist einfach, es ist eine grundlegende Sache, dass es okay ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Wer auch immer du sprichst, den ich mitgebracht habe, ich habe keine Freunde. Ich habe keine Familie. Ich schätze, du und Mulaney gehst mit den Kindern und den Weinen und so. Für Biglia auch. Natürlich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Wenn ich zu diesen Diensten gehe, wo ihr seid, bin ich so, wow, das ist so schön, dass sie mich inkludieren. Und dann weiß ich, dass sie mich nur darüber reden wollen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
No, yeah, but, but it's, but it's not though. It's nice to have dinner with the, with everybody.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But you know, this, this time we, we went to Craig's. You missed Craig's.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Nein, es ist großartig. Ja. Anstatt dieses schreckliche Italian-Restaurant. Ja, ich weiß, ich weiß. Genug mit dem schrecklichen, was auch immer der Grund ist, dass wir da sind. Ja. Es ist so, wie Craig's ist, wo wir sollten sein. Ja, natürlich. Und es war fucking großartig. Ja. Alle hatten gute Essen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Lass uns einfach eine Mahlzeit machen, wo wir den Respekt bekommen, den wir brauchen. Ja, den wir benötigen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah. Alright, buddy. Well, it was good talking to you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
There you go. Again, that movie, I Don't Understand You, with all of my blurbs, comes out June 6th and Big Mouth Season 8 is out on Netflix right now. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
And from there, you just move through some of Nathan's experiences in trying to get shows made and getting shows sort of taken off servers. You kind of deal with some of his own, what you'd assume psychological problems are. And then he, through the course of unfolding this show, System or experiment to try to get pilots communicating better.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Hey, listen, you can go check out the time Nick Kroll and John Mulaney were on the show together. That was back in 2016 on episode 743.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Like a sweet guy and like, yeah, thinker and he's like, he likes science. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Yeah, he's very into making sure kids like science.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I really respect that. That's why I don't have children, because I don't care.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
You know, you see a lot of elements of him trying to be resolved. So, you know, he is actually changing through, you know, him as himself. I assume as himself is changing through this thing. And then his comedy chops. which are very intentional, because you can't produce a show like this. There's a lot of improv and a lot of actors brought in. There's a talent show element.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Boomer lives, monkey in the fonda, cat angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
But through the course of him trying to resolve this air safety problem, he's reckoning with himself, his past, his creativity, his job, his neurological disposition. It ultimately becomes all about him. But the lengths he goes to get there, either intentionally or not, are fucking... Insane und inspiriert. Und es ist fucking... Es ist komische Genie. Und ich möchte das nicht sagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Weil ich ein ungewöhnlicher, geistiger, resentierter alter Scheiß bin, der nicht immer bereit ist, es zu geben. Aber ich muss es geben. Und es könnte nicht für dich sein. Er könnte es nicht für dich sein. Aber ich denke, dass... You should force yourself to just let it happen, man. To just let it happen. Because there's a level of cringe comedy in there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
It's just rare somebody pulls something out of their brain and then manifests it with a good amount of money that is completely original and inspired. And...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
I think that if you want to talk about comedy as art, if you want to do that, which I am wary to do generally, maybe you can talk about it cinematically, you know, as a comedy movie or whatever, but if you want to talk about comedy as art, and art in the broad sense of the word, where you're really just talking about freedom of expression and a commitment to a vision that is provocative and new,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
This is it. So there you go, Nathan. I'm not blowing smoke up your ass and I was reluctant to do it. But congratulations for the great mind-bending, inspired work of genius that you've contributed to what is sort of a flailing process. Period. In comedy of all kinds. Ja. You'll get paid on time with professional invoices and online payments.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
And those are rare because I doubt that you could really do that character anymore. He's in the new film I Don't Understand You and the final season of Big Mouth is now streaming on Netflix. And Nick, I guess, you know, I have to kind of give credit where credit is due. And I think I do, usually. But it's an interesting thing as a comic or as someone who is me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
That's squarespace.com slash WTF. Offer code WTF. Oh yeah, I did see another movie too. I went to see Friendship. Because, again, in talking about comedy brilliance, Tim Robinson, I've been brought around to him. He is a brilliant and inspired and gifted buffoon of a very specific type. A great clown. And that character that he plays, which seems to be the character he plays...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
ist kind of spectacular. The idea of the completely narcissistic, aggravated buffoon is relative to the time we live in. That is the strain of...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
human disposition that is very prominent in in the world we're living in now so i think it there is a reflection of of that in in him and he's tremendously funny and i think you should leave the show always it just i'm not unlike fielder there there's a zone that these guys get into where um You can't predict it, you can't figure it out, you don't know where it comes from, but it is pure comedy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
So anyway, Nick Kroll is here, and again, one of my favorite funny people. The film he's in, I Don't Understand You, comes out Friday, June 6th. The final season of Big Mouth is streaming on Netflix. You can watch all eight seasons there as well. And this is me and Nick Kroll.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Okay, so I just gotta... These are the kind of texts you get after a certain point. From my dad's wife. Mark, your father's funeral arrangements are completed. I signed the paperwork and payment today. Thank you. We love you. Dad and Rosie. That's a load off.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Nein, ja. Und sie war überrascht darüber. Und sie war ein bisschen kurz angekommen. Und ich war so, Alter, das ist mein Vater. Ich schicke dir das Geld. Ich habe keine Kinder. Ja. Und das ist das, was ich bezahlen möchte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1646 - Nick Kroll
Du nimmst es nur, so lange ich nicht da sein muss. Ja. That's the best part of this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Well, I mean, I think that way all the time because I'm drawing from a different well than you. Like, I have to resolve problems. Yeah. Personal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Yeah, dude. I don't, like, I'm fucking going out there now and I'm like, who are these people now?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
You mean like other comics or just people?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Well, anyone can do it. Anyone can do it now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I feel like I unleashed an evil on the world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I didn't... It's weird being like an OG guy, because like there was a time, like all of a sudden like everybody has just figured out that like, well, I can sit there and talk. And now we have like just thousands of blathering white guys. It's like the Zeitgeist has just become afternoon drive time radio.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I'm not that calculating. Whenever I flip around those podcasts, it's always like three dudes, most of the time we know at least two of them, just sitting around going like, when was the first time you shit your pants as an adult? And that's an hour.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Because you don't know what's going to happen? No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
They're going to try to get you worked up?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Oh, absolutely. I remember just back in the day in New York where I was always, I do Opie and Anthony occasionally, but you just didn't know what you were going to be part of. That's a different thing. Like, you know, am I going to be part of some racist excursion
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
It's funny when you sort of transcend somehow or another, I guess it's just part of getting older, where whatever you resented or feared or did not want to revisit in your young life becomes a thing that you desperately want to visit and revisit and recalibrate.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
You'd be part of the guys, one of the guys.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Warum ist das so? Those people, the evolution of those people are now what has taken over. I can't, like I'm having a difficult time because, you know, I drew a line, you know, between, you know, I've been calling out the sort of Rogan Empire as, you know, some sort of tribal organization. Oh, ja. Und ich war relativ diplomatisch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Aber nach einem bestimmten Punkt muss jemand sagen, das ist das, was passiert. Es ist nicht nur Comedy mehr. Richtig?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But it feels like the entire set, all of what we knew of show business, that's sort of been marginalized. And these bigger outlets, like whoever's doing the special, they're just going to glom onto those guys because they don't give a fuck. They just want the numbers. So and now like I'm starting just to, I have to fight the urge to,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich weiß nicht, ob es eine Angst ist, aber das Teil der Victory Lap ist, dass du, wenn du anders denkst, plötzlich die Position bekommst, wo du sagst, ich habe gewonnen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But also that's not why we got into it. We got into it because we were asocial fucking weirdos that needed to find our own path. And now it's sort of like, these are my boys. I don't want to be anyone's fucking boy. No, not at all. Never wanted to. It makes me uncomfortable. It puts me in a weird position.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Because I don't know, man, there's something, you know, home is home in terms of, you know, what created your neural pathways environmentally. It's with you forever. It's part of your heart. So that's really where I'm at with this battered up, you know, interesting little city that I grew up in. It's weird. I know a lot of you are like, I thought you were an East Coast guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But it seems like you're like me in some way that every time you get involved with a group of guys that's doing that thing and you want to adapt because of the situation, it just feels like a personal betrayal somehow. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Yeah, I don't... And the thing is, I think about it a lot. It's just, it turns out, and I'm not saying anyone individual, but it turns out that we're all pretty self-serving. So you and I are in a position where we don't have to do that. But some of these younger comics who may think differently or think totally in the same way we are, feel like this is how they have to do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But I can't even imagine, you know, like when I think about like, well, people are like, would you ever do the Mothership? I wouldn't even think about it. But I don't have any reason to perform for those guys. How much do I have to hate myself? But I imagine you have some crossover.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
At that comedy club. They're happy to be part of the thing. And so they were just thrilled. The only thing that makes me want to do it is that I have some bits now that are really kind of like, they're dark, but they're personal, but they're edgier than anything that those guys could do. And I just wonder if I could get them into that zone and fuck with their heads.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But it would take a bit of salesmanship.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I was at the store one night and I heard in two different rooms, two different comics both go, I guess I gotta do my trans bit now. It's like, no you don't. Really? There's no, where's the list? What's the requirement?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
So what are your experiences out there? I mean, do you deal with, I think you've talked about it, but I mean, you've got to, like, it's sort of the Cobain problem that, you know, all of a sudden you're playing for people that you wouldn't even want to talk to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
They just like what you do. Yes. Because somehow or another, I think people have grown to understand that it is a character in a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Aber hast du das gefühlt? Nein. War es ein Teil von dir als Anthony, der gesagt hat, wir müssen das Votieren rausnehmen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But now, are you looking down the barrel at what is clearly going to be some sort of strange version of authoritarianism and thinking like, well, how does this affect me?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Genetically Jersey, as I always say. Genetically Jersey. I'm here to see my dad. I have a few old friends here who I saw last night. I know I kind of do this thing every time I come back here, but it's something to check in with as you get older. Who do you got left, man? What is your life? Who do you got left? Who do you have? Today, Anthony Jeselnik is back. He was on episode 206 of
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Well, yeah, I think you're in that zone where, you know, you are apolitical. You do do a thing. You have a point of view that works for all people in the sense that, like, you know, they're not coming to you because of politics or anything else or speaking your mind necessarily. And it's entertainment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Hatte das einen Einfluss auf dich? Hattest du eine gute Zeit?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Und was war die Kulturdifferenz in all diesen Orten? Hattest du eine Verlustkommunikation?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich konnte es dir nicht sagen. War es ein großer Theater? Ja, es war ein großer Ort. Oh ja, weil ich den Vickers-Strand dort mache, aber das ist nur so 850 oder so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Du hast keine Unterschiede, Tensionen, irgendwas? Nein. Du gehst einfach in die Stadt? Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Was sind all diese Kanäle und so? Ich erinnere mich, als ich als Kind da war, und es gab etwas Dezidentes und Enchantmentes darüber. Aber jetzt scheint es nur viel hippische Scheiße zu sein. Und viele Tourist-Store, die weidorientiert sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
How do you think you're going to exercise that demon?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
It's kind of hard to overcome the Nazi vibe. Fuck. And Cyprus, what the hell is that like?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
That's more than 13 years ago. Jesus, fuck. We've been doing this a long time. But as many of you noticed, I do have people back because the arc of this show, there's the word arc again, the arc of this show, there's literally people that had nothing going on. When I first talked to them and they've had entire careers, entire childhoods have been lived listening to me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Aber alles andere war fast das gleiche. Weil ich dachte, als ich nach Oslo ging, ging ich nach Oslo... Ich bin nach Schweden gegangen. Was ist die Hauptstadt in Schweden? Stockholm? Ja. Hast du da gegangen? Ja. Das war toll. Ja. Und schöne Orte. Ja. Und jeder ist attraktiv.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Erzähl es mir, denn ich habe während der Covid-19 meditiert und ich weiß, dass Lynn, sie lebt daran, zweimal am Tag, egal was, die 20 Minuten zu machen. Und das hat ihr ganze Verständnis verändert. Und die Freundin jetzt, sie hat das TM-Tool bekommen, aber es hat nie wirklich funktioniert, es hat es nie gemacht. Aber war es ein Punkt, an dem du es gemacht hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Nein. Sieh, ich denke, das ist die Unterschiede.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Seltsame Schuhe. Ja. Du weißt nicht, was es tun wird. Ja, es wird dich verletzen. Ja. Also hast du dieses... Wie ist der Chiropractor? Wie funktioniert das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Fucking Trump. He fucked you up personally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I have people that can now say that they were listening to me when they were in high school and now they're 30. It's crazy. So he was on a long time ago. Many of you know him. He's a writer, comedian, actor. He's got a new special out on Netflix starting tomorrow. But Jeselnik is an interesting character in terms of comedy. There is something... about a jokesmith.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Well, have you tried to track the source of it? So it was brought on by, you know, by, I guess it's nerves.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
No, but I mean, but you knew there was a lot at stake.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ja. So, das Roasting, so, how many did you do total? Three. And did you, are you still asked to do them?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
For some reason, I'm not a huge... Like new roast guy. I always think the deuses are too huge. And I don't know, I couldn't get through the Brady one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
All that stuff that means a lot to you early on, it fucking starts to fade. Doesn't it? It should.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Because there's a period that we all go through where you're like, I'm a comic, I do stand-up comedy. And there are jobs that stand-up comics can have in show business. And you know it, because you got the opportunity to host a talk show, and it's a grind. And it's not, either you are that guy or you're not. Was war dein Gefühl, als das wegging?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
There's something about a guy whose entire persona and his entire stage presence and delivery and everything else is really built around delivering these beautiful, well-structured, dark, kind of mind-blowing jokes. And that's what he does. You know, I've known him for years. We don't hang out. I feel that he's changed a bit since I first talked to him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Weil du es fühlst, ich meine, fühlst du dich, als würdest du dir das Gig anpassen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But you're also kind of this singular guy. And I don't ever get the impression that you love talking to people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Producers, have some ideas. What's going on? What's in the till? Yeah, they never did. Culturally. It was just, please don't do this. Well, it's just so funny, because I remember the first time I talked to you, you had... Mm-hmm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I'm a little more chill. But hasn't your life gotten bigger? I mean, like, then, I mean, like, I remember the moment, I think you were doing the talk show and we talked at the store sometimes. And you're like, I'm never flying economy again ever. Yeah. But that's like a big change, but that's just one. But hasn't your life gotten bigger? Don't you feel better about yourself?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And also that you don't have to do anything. That was the big shift. I couldn't understand. There were periods there where I'd watch your career, because I'm a fan, and I like the new special. It's great. But there were periods after the talk show, I'm like, what the fuck is he going to do? But ultimately, you're a stand-up. And you built that audience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
So you don't have to fucking do any of that shit anymore. No. I mean, is there something you'd want to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But he's one of those guys that what it's all about for him are these jokes. And that's, you know, that's a writer's mentality, but also a stand-up mentality. And there's no, nobody quite like him. And there hasn't been. People have tried. He's, He does carve out his own path and it was good to catch up with him again. I'm back in Los Angeles at Largo on Friday, December 13th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And you had segments that you had to be refilled and you didn't have, you needed to get guests. I mean, when you know you're just going to be hanging around with a comic, I mean, half of the work's done already.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
If you want me, I'll do it, but... Do you know how lucky you are that you don't have even remotely have any people pleaser in you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But see, I guess there are some people I'll watch. Zumindest für ein bisschen. Ich war auf einem Show mit Taylor Tomlinson. Und ich finde, sie ist fucking großartig. Sie ist großartig. Ich meine, sie ist wie der echte Deal. Und sie war nervös, um vor mir zu performen. Ich bin so, was redest du da? Ich liebe dich. Warte einfach nicht. Ja. Warum bist du so schockiert? Ich war damals genauso.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Hast du das noch nie erlebt? Oh, natürlich. Verdammt, Alter. Ich habe immer Leute aus dem Keller geholt. Wenn ich aus dem Keller ging und Etel im Raum war, würde ich sagen, kannst du einfach raus? Ich möchte herausfinden, wie ich das mache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
That will be a music and comedy show. I'm going to get the band together. It's interesting. In Los Angeles, the other night, I went to see The Brutalist. I went to a screening of The Brutalist, which is a kind of mind-blowing movie about I don't even know how to describe it. There's people that are able to make these thoughtful, poetic, huge movies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Das Leben macht Sinn als gute Vergleiche. Denn es scheint so zu sein, dass er immer Stephen Wright war. Er hat nichts verändert. Er hat seine Publikation gehalten. Er hat ein paar Akteure hier und da gemacht, wenn es passt. Und jetzt lebt er einfach in den Wäldern.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
There was no reason to put out specials. Yeah, but I think I've done... Fuck, man. Vier oder fünf Rekorde. Vier oder fünf. Ich habe zehn Stunden gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Die Leute wissen nicht, dass ich ein Comedy Central Special gemacht habe. Aber das tut nicht weh, weil wenn ich darüber denke, ja, ich bin immer noch relativ unbekannt. Ich meine, Menschen in Bezug auf das große Bild. Ich bin immer noch ein erkennbarer Ding. Und ich habe all diese Stunden. Some of them were great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
There were jokes that took me six months to write and I did them once and they're gone. And there's part of me that thinks, do you ever think like, you know, to go back, well, I mean, you're younger than me, but sometimes I think like, I should just go through them and just do a greatest hits thing just because the jokes are so good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Oh, because of the way you structure jokes now?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich kenne nichts Nostalgisches, außer ein paar Sachen, die ich gemacht habe. Und wenn ich etwas machen werde und es anbieten werde, ist es eine lange Sache. Und es gibt eine Sache, die ich gemacht habe, weil ich dachte, ich wäre auf einem Flugzeug, der crashen würde, die ich nur auf der John Oliver Comedy Hour gemacht habe. Und es hat mich eine halbe Jahr gedauert, um es aufzunehmen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Und nachdem es aufgenommen wurde, ist ein Teil deines Gehirns, der sagt, das ist aus, das ist fertig. And it's just gone. So I regret people not seeing these bits.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
No, because I'm not worked up like that anymore. Yeah. But I do find that I'm kind of like that. Other than me getting older, my life hasn't changed that much. I have a couple of new cats. And I think I'm thinking about things a little differently. Like right now, I did all the fascist shit the last special. It was all in there. The Trump stuff is all in there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And, you know, and I was ahead of the curve on that. And now, like, you know, what do I do now in terms of how I'm dealing with this? And I got to figure that out because that's the prison I'm in. I speak from a personal point of view. So what am I doing for my sad, anxious fans who need a little help?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Es ist sehr, wenn du dich an deine Fans schaust, ist es so lustig für mich, wie ich die Leute sehe, die in den Theatern kommen, die ich tue. Und sie sind einfach so, du weißt, sie sehen aus wie dezent, du weißt, glaubwürdig, du weißt, kreative Leute. Einige von ihnen sind, du weißt, mittlerer, einige von ihnen sind ein bisschen jünger. Aber sie sind alle einfach so, ich kann sagen, was sie sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Sie sind sensitive Leute, die nervös sind über Dinge und sie wollen, sie wollen etwas Erleichterung. Wie jetzt, wenn ich in diese neue Administration gehe, bin ich so, wie werde ich sie besser fühlen? My shows start to feel like this is safe space. We're going to talk freely here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Some challenging stuff, but the scope of it was huge. I guess I would compare it probably to There Will Be Blood in terms of what it speaks to about... Es geht um Amerika, um altes Geld, um Immigration, um Juden, um Benefizierer, um Architektur, um Kunst. Es ist eine dieser Filme, die drei und eine halbe Stunde lang ist. Aber egal. Also gehe ich aus dem Theater in Los Angeles.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Yeah, I think so. And I've been pretty clear in terms of the last two hours. I'll do like 15, 20 on that. And then 40 on the other things. You know, the bigger pieces. But like, I don't know, man. I think what's really getting to me is that the gloating, like you said earlier. I just know they're out there. And I know they're in the room. And they're like, hey, loser.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I don't even have a YouTube presence. I have no YouTube presence.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Well, what they do is, if you quantify success with money and the type of money they're talking about and the type of fame they're talking about in terms of winning or clicks and that kind of shit, I'm in a different model, dude. Sure. And that sort of thing about like, when you talk critically about something, you're just jealous. I'm like, no, no. Es hat nichts mit Leidenschaft zu tun.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ja, ich meine, schau, ich verstehe in Bezug auf das, was ich mit diesem Ding gemacht habe und wie es sich entwickelt hat und der Fakt, dass wir immer noch ein Audio-Podcast sind. Ich fühle mich, als wären wir in der Ära der Television und ich bin immer noch auf der Radio, auf irgendeinem Niveau. Aber viele meiner Zuhörer sind so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Aber um zu sprechen, worüber du sprichst, gibt es keine Überausprägung jetzt, weil Amateurs die Gewinner sind. Es scheint mir zu sein, dass die Zuschauer denken, wenn sie den Mann kennen, ist das genug. Es wird also nicht wie bei einem Show weitergehen. Es wird weitergehen wie, oh, das ist derjenige, den wir zweimal pro Woche hören.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Und er wird Geschichten erzählen, die wir verstehen, von dem, wie er war. Und es ist nicht wirklich Komödie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Whatever comedy was when I got into it, or whatever I think comedy is, it's definitely different now. I mean, it seems like there is a group of guys, primarily, that it behooves them to even churn out garbage every year. It's a cash-grab culture. And it was always sort of that way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
If you hit a certain level, like you're saying, and you've got a window of opportunity to capitalize on it, you do it, because you know it's not going to last forever. Mm-hmm. And I kind of get that. But the type of money and the type of scope of it is, and I really think it's more of a, I don't even know why people go to arenas to see comedy. I would never even think to do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Es ist das Vista Theater. Und ich hatte nur diesen Moment, wo, und ich weiß nicht, ob das eine Ängste ist. Es war nur ein Moment, wo ich... Es war nicht mal ein Déjà-vu-Feeling. Es ist nur ein Gefühl, als wäre ich schon lange in L.A. gewesen. Ich bin schon lange da gewesen. Ich habe dort seit 2002 einen oder anderen Ort gehabt. Ich gehe aus dem Theater und bin auf einer Kante.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Das ist, wer gewonnen hat. Wegen Covid und wegen der Veränderung in den Unternehmenskosten. Die Jungs, die gewonnen haben, waren die Promoter und die Booking-Agenten. Weil sie begonnen haben, dieses Racket zu machen. Warum geht es nicht immer größer und größer? So gewinnst du. Ja. I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
If I really think about whether it's jealousy or not, it's like I don't know what I would do in an arena. I've done shows like I did Comics Come Home for Leary at the Garden in Boston. It was fine. But it's not my jam, dude. I like to bring it in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But you can play to that, though. You work in packets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Do you have it on stage with you, the QR code?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
So how annoyed are you about... At this point, like, do things shift now that, you know, Trump is one and, you know, there's this idea that these pseudo free speech warriors now have, you know, the ability and the incentive to just do their shitty jokes without reprisal. How bothered are you still by it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Did you ever feel like they were trying to draw you in?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ein bisschen, ja. Weil ich anfinde zu merken, dass ich auf der Bühne im Comedy-Store aufgehängt werde. Und es gibt ein paar Leute, die ich gerne schaue. Es gibt Leute, die mich lachen. Und das ist ein Teil meines sozialen Lebens. Ich bleibe nicht so lange da. Aber ich würde gerne aufhören. Ja, du bist schon aufgehängt. Du warst da, als Burr seine Scheiße an mir verloren hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
You remember we were in the dressing room and Burr started going after, I remember being like, there was a moment there where you were sitting there and Burr was sitting there and he just goes on, he just starts yelling about due process. He was talking about a comic who got cancelled and he was yelling at me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And I, because I had this moment where I'm like, well, Jeselnik's there, I can't just take this. I gotta fucking stand up for myself. I'm like, what the fuck? And we were going at it. And it didn't really go anywhere. And then he, you know, someone wanted to take a picture and he kind of apologized. And you gotta deal with that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich bin auf einer Kante und ich glaube, es wäre Los Feliz am Sonntag. Und Hollywood da drüben, irgendwo da drüben. Und in meinem Geist, all diese Momente, in denen ich in diesem Bereich war, über die ganze Zeit, als ich in L.A. war, haben mich in diesem Gefühl eingegangen, was all diese Zeit passiert ist. What happened to all that time?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
With Bill, where, you know, you have these outbursts and he's like, hey, I'm sorry, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
It's such a relief when he's just okay. Where he's either tired or just wants to talk about music. But a lot of times, he'll walk into the place like, here we go. I'm like, I didn't even do anything. I didn't say anything. So when you think about like because I think about stopping every year.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I mean, I did a whole tour that was like this might be the last time because I don't I don't ever know where the hour is going to come from, but it comes. But like I do think about like stopping. What do you think about doing if you stop?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ja, ich weiß, es geht um etwas, um auf der Bühne zu sein, für die Leute, die dich sehen wollen, das ist ziemlich großartig, weil du eine Freiheit hast, du kannst dich öffnen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Yeah, I think I'm doing alright with sales. I gotta go out. I had to put off the tour to do this movie and now I gotta go out in January to kind of get it back in shape to do the HBO special. And then I don't know, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
You know, something that's... Dude, I can't, it's like, like, I, I don't know. Ich habe gerade zwei in meinem Mund.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Yeah, I don't, the Ons are just, the packets are too small. The only reason I like the Zins, they're bigger. They kind of stay lodged better. Those Ons, I'll lose them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I mean, you know, I'm talking, what, 20 some odd years of experiences. And when you have experiences in your life with people and with places, and if you don't see those people a lot or you don't go to those places very often, You kind of hold those memories in a place where they're not actively alive, but when they do come alive, like being at that theater, the Vista Theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Because my bite, the guy said it affects my gums.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
So, are you going to start going to the store again?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich will nicht die Dynastie fahren. Ich bin müde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Das ist es. Ja. Ich versuche, da Stunden zu arbeiten. Es ist fast wie Anonymous oder The Elysian.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich erinnere mich, es gab einen Punkt, wo... I always think about it as a shift in your demeanor. Years ago, in the store, there was talk of it closing, the store closing. And you were like, who gives a fuck? It's just a comedy room. And I'm like, but it's a comedy. And you're like, I don't give a fuck. But I think you've shifted a little bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Oh yeah, that early one, that late one, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
It's not all one money now. It used to be all one money. Like, you know, the night was, everyone got paid over the arc of both shows. And I think what's happened is the people who were on the late show get the percentage of that show. And the people on the early show get the percentage of that show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fucking ears? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Broadcasting from a fairly bouncy room. I'm in an old Adobe in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And it's interesting to be in a classic mud house.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich habe ein Gewicht, nicht mit dem Hollywood-Improv, aber mit der Operation, die alle anderen Improves bucht. Das ist eine persönliche Sache. Das ist das, was ich mit dem Funny Bone mache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
It was closed for years. I remember when it was kind of crappy and then they redid it and then COVID happened and it was closed. I think Tarantino bought it. But whatever the case was, I had this history with that theater and with people who I've been with over the years and seen movies there. And just this moment where you're like, that was just, it feels like last week.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich glaube, er war nur der Manager. Nur der Manager? Ja. We don't have to do comedy clubs anymore, really. I like them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Es hat einen seltsamen Namen, wie ein Rattelsnake oder etwas seltsames. Ich weiß es nicht. Ich erinnere mich nicht. Aber es gibt eine neue Schale. Ja. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Na, tolles Spezial. Danke. Schön, dich zu sprechen. Danke, immer ein Vergnügen. There you go, Jezelnik, still at it, still pushing the envelope. Bones and All premieres on Netflix tomorrow. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 A lot of practice. I had to do it a lot of times for the timing of it. You know, I'm not naturally a physical comic, so when I decide to do a big piece of physical comedy, I do have to rehearse it a lot, like not unlike the... Die Batschung am Ende von Bleak to Dark. Ich musste die Zeitung herausfinden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
It feels like fucking last week. And I don't really know how to explain that. I'm not really a guy like, you know, it goes by so fast. It never feels like it's going by fast to me. But I guess it is. It does pick up speed as you get older. But it's just interesting how you hold your life and moments in your life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Ich musste herausfinden, wie viele Mal ich mich in den Kopf mit dem Batsch mit dem Batsch, du weißt, die Zeitung der Reaktion, die mit dem Batsch getroffen wird. Und es war das Gleiche mit dem Fallen runter. Wann falle ich runter? Wie falle ich runter? Wie kann ich mich nicht verletzen? Was ist die Zeitung auf den Fall? Also ja, es war alles nachgedacht. Es war nicht eine random Sache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
They're in some part of your brain where if they're active memories and you pull them back up, you're like, yeah, I remember that like it was yesterday. Yet there's this 20-some-odd-year gap there. And it's a very odd feeling. It's a very present feeling to be sitting there or standing on a street and just be like, holy fuck, all that time is behind me. All those people are behind me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
All those memories are only memories. And in my brain, if they settle right in a moment, I have no idea. Ich kann es nicht mal in eine lineare Form machen. Es fühlt sich einfach so an, als ob du auf der Erde gelandet bist und mehr als halb dein Leben weg ist. Und du hast eine seltsame Kollektion von Bildern, die dieses Leben repräsentieren. Aber es ist wie Zeit. Right, man?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And I don't even smoke weed. But I don't guess it's not a nostalgia feeling. It's just like, holy shit, dude. You know, this is now. You better dig in and fucking deal with your life and live it for fuck's sake. Yeah, I guess it's just the getting old thing. But thinking about your life, and this is another thing I'm trying to kind of factor into the era we're about to enter in terms of
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
What's the difference between the life of your mind and whatever you're dumping into it and whatever you're letting pull you around in terms of how you think? What's the difference between that and your actual life? I think that most people's lives are very simple. If you just kind of make a list of the things you do on any given day, almost all days, however you vary it,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
auf Wochenenden oder was auch immer. Aber wenn du nur eine Liste erstellst, ist es wahrscheinlich ziemlich klein, ziemlich einfach und wahrscheinlich relativ managable. Und wenn du in dieser Liste inkludierst, die Tage, die du auf dein Computer schaltest oder du schaust auf dein Handy, es wäre ein bisschen interessant. Es ist ein Experiment, das ich machen werde, nur weil, wenn du das machst,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Any kind of screen. You're entering this other world that seems expansive, endless and full of possibilities to jack your brain into either garbage or denial or avoidance or anxiety or emotions or whatever that is. But I think on some level we have to really believe that that's not the real world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And that the world we live in and who we inhabit it with and who we encounter on a day-to-day basis, that is... And I don't know how we get back to this idea. Because I don't know how often you're afforded the opportunity to do something in passing. You're just a nice thing for some other person. It shouldn't be as moving as it is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But the walls are what they are and this is sometimes what it sounds like when I'm out in the world doing the stuff. I came out here, as many of you know, I grew up here in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I'll keep saying Albuquerque, New Mexico. I've gotten into the habit of... buying a cheap tourist shirt every time I leave Albuquerque, New Mexico.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
But I think because we're so disconnected because of our devices and what we allow our brains to do and engage in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
That the actual human experience, you know, whether it's with an animal or with a kid, your kid or your, you know, family or, you know, just with people in passing, just even minor moments of politeness or can I help you out or sure, you know, I think I can tell you where that is or whatever it is. For me anyways, they kind of... possess a pretty big emotional wallop.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And I have to think that was sort of the way it was, that there was a sort of norm of decency among people. And somehow or another, we've let our brains be hijacked by a bunch of garbage and information, whether it's divisive or isolating or whatever, that somehow or another has... Yeah, I'll use that word. Our ability to be reflexively decent or seek out community or other people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
And I don't think there's any other way out of whatever we're experiencing now until we somehow... von den Dingen, die unsere Gehirne besitzen und schützen, weil die Gehirne, weißt du, fragil ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Und was auch immer deine Prinzipien sind oder was auch immer deine Glauben sind oder was auch immer du denkst, ist, die Realität kann, weißt du, einfach explodiert, gepummelte, reshapen, fast instantan, sobald du dich mit den unendlichen Möglichkeiten von Bullshit engagierst, die wir unsere Gehirne jeden Tag auslösen. Again, I don't even smoke weed.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I ran into some guy on the plane coming out here who was part of a crew of people that hung around my old mentor here in Albuquerque, Gus Blaisdell, a playwright named Grubb, Jim Grabener.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I barely recognized him but I was surprised that I did and it's just kind of interesting talking about memory that he told me about this gig that he booked me on when I was first in LA and it was some weird kind of filmmaking festival that he ran and he offered to fly me out and get me a car and he told me this whole story about taking me to some rent-a-wreck lot that a friend of his owned and sent me up with a car that didn't work and almost broke down between here and Santa Fe which is where the event was and I
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I did some live event and he was telling me this and it's almost like your brain is sort of like, you know, I had a hint of a memory, but not a full memory. Und ich musste es so weit wie möglich entdecken. Nachdem ich reingekommen bin, hatten wir eine lange Konversation über Theater und Film und Sachen auf dem Flugzeug. Es war großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
Aber ich musste mich in das Gehirn befassen, um das Gefühl oder den Sinn dieser Erinnerung zu bekommen. Und es ist nur in Teilen und Teilen. And I was sort of upset. I was like, am I losing it? But this is like 22 years ago. And I'm like, why can't I put all that memory together? And I realized afterwards that the one vibe that was sort of overtaking the rest was like, I was full of anxiety.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I'm developing quite a collection of Albuquerque shirts. I don't know. I'm kind of born again Berkey out here. There were years where I just didn't know what... You'd come home, I'd see whoever I still had here, which is primarily my dad. And then you get this thing where, well, maybe I want to...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
It was not a great gig. The thing was a fucking circus. The live event that I had to do was outdoors. And I really think that I just like, some reaction to... Ja, wir werden das einfach in einen tiefen File von Dingen, die du kinderlich erinnerst, aber die Grund, warum du es nicht erinnerst, ist, weil es nicht eine tolle Erinnerung ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
So Anthony Jeselnik came by and we had a nice talk about comedy and the stuff. His new comedy special, Bones and All, premieres tomorrow, November 26th on Netflix. And this is me and Anthony back in the garage.
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Episode 1594 - Anthony Jeselnik
I know, but don't you feel that after every hour?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich beschreibe es grafisch zu dem Punkt, wo es einfach furchtbar ist. And then somehow or another, I relax into flying. Now, I could live without those two steps. I really could. And I don't know how it really falls into or under the rubric of thinking the worst so anything happens is better than the worst. Because, look, I mean, let's say the worst thing happened and the plane starts going down.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Am I going to be sitting there like, you know, I knew this was a possibility and I know exactly how this is going to go, so I'm good with it. I don't think so. And the other thing about kind of trying to deal with this psychological issue that I have around this brain, there's always the question of like, well, dude, what if that's all you are? What if that's who you are?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
What if this is how you think? Maybe this is where you understand things in this mode of heightened anxiety. Maybe this is your process. Do you want to fuck with that? What if it diminishes your ability to sort of generate or process or understand in the way you do? Because a lot of that's pretty good.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
What if my life is really just panning for gold in a river of panic, just waiting for those nuggets? What if that's it? Well, to answer that question... I think we have to go with age and where I'm at in my life. And I think the answer to that, what if that's what it is, is okay, well, maybe that's true, but I've had a fuck enough. I've had enough. I'm tired. I've had enough.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Okay, so look, I had Nick Thune back and we talked about the real shit. We talked about the arc of his life since I talked to him years ago and what he'd been through. His new stand-up special is called Born Young. You can watch it now on YouTube. And this is me talking to Nick Thune back in the garage.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Didn't it? Yeah. I don't know. It's not giving me what I usually have here.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Well, no, I have it, but usually there's two channels, there's two mics, it's separated. You know, there's a track for each mic, even though it's the same track, basically. But I'm not getting any of that. Maybe we should try some step work. Well, I'm actively in the steps right now as we speak. Yes, I think I'm keeping it together pretty well. I'm mildly obsessed.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I know that at a certain point I will acknowledge it's out of my control and I'll let go for now. But it's not going to go away, Nick. Do you think your sponsor will hear about this? No, I'm not in touch with my sponsor in that way anymore. Yeah. day to day, I lost my mind, kind of thing. I did actually, though, make a sober call in a real way that I hadn't made in a long time.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
People love it here. Maybe after I do this, I'll get out and walk around. I think I walked around last time. I don't remember. I was probably in some state of panic. But I have to tell you, that is receding a bit. I'm not sure why, but I have to assume it's a good thing. But what can I tell you before I get into where we've been and what's been going on? Nick Thune is on the show today.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I wasn't going to drink or use drugs, but I was spiraling out and I couldn't get out of it. So I called a guy Du kennst ihn wahrscheinlich. Er hat es nicht gesehen. Er sieht mich nicht. Er weiß, dass ich in Rückkehr bin, und ich habe ihm geholfen, sauber zu werden. Aber er hat sicher nicht erwartet, dass ich sage, hör mal, hör mich an, Karl. Und er hat einen guten Job gemacht.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Er hat es in der Zone gehalten, in der Step-Zone. Ich habe ein paar Dinge gesagt, und ich konnte mich in der Basis einer milden Vibration der Insanität befinden. Wie geht es dir? Bist du ein täglicher Anrufer?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Well, everybody... Couldn't do the long-distance sponsorship thing.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Wie lange bist du jetzt? Sechs Jahre. Ja, ich meine, du gehst ziemlich gut. Ja. Ich meine, ich hatte einen von denen am Anfang, und er war einfach weggerutscht, machte all das Arbeit, machte, weißt du, 90 und 90, ging in ein Meeting jeden Tag oder so für etwa fünf Jahre. Aber jetzt ist es so, wo bin ich? Ich bin in den 25-jährigen Jahren, richtig? Ja. Also, ich habe 20, ist das richtig, 99?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Also, ich habe, oh Gott, was bedeutet das? Also, 99 bis 2025. Ja. Das sind 26 Jahre. Ja. Also habe ich 26 dieses Jahr? Das ist verrückt. Ja, das ist viel. Aber ich bin in Kontakt mit soberen Menschen. Meine Freunde, meine besten Freunde sind sober. Aber wir machen nicht die soberen Gespräche. Ich habe einen Sponsor, aber wir sehen uns nicht mehr zusammen.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und dann, warum hast du, was hast du den Verlust getrackt? Das Verfallen deiner Leben?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Nick Thune has been on the show twice. He was on Episode 189 and Episode 780. Both episodes, I talked to him a lot about his Christianity, which is interesting. We're now at a point with this show Where people that were on that long ago have had entire chunks of life. Entire chunks of life. And a lot of stuff has transpired.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Erinnerst du dich an die letzte Zeit, als ich mit dir gesprochen habe?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Wie lange, lange Zeit her? Ja. Wie viele Jahre her war das? Ich könnte es anschauen. Es ist ein bisschen faszinierend, weil ich glaube nicht, dass wir einen richtigen Sit-down gehabt haben. Für wahrscheinlich. Nein, es ist, ja, es ist wahrscheinlich schon. Über zehn Jahre. Ja, richtig? Ja. Das ist die Art von Forschung, die andere Podcastler machen.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Oder sie haben einen Mann am Computer, der das macht.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Vielleicht war es 2014 oder so. Ja, ich glaube, das ist es. Es wäre hilfreich, einen Mann auf einem Computer zu haben, der mir die Informationen, die ich sofort benötige, geben würde. Ja, du könntest dich einfach umdrehen und sagen... Ja, kann man das... Oder sie wissen das intuitiv. Oh Gott.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Wow. Ja. Alter, das ist fucking verrückt. Das ist lange her. Ja. I think that was probably during the time that I might have even been resentful. Oh, yeah.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Once you have Jesus, you can't get rid of the guy. He is. He's waiting. He knows. God, take a hint. No, you can't. Once he's in there, you don't want to go. But I do remember there was... So at that time, you felt like you were getting out of the organization.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Well, I mean, it seems like there's a... It's very interesting in terms of what's happening in the country and everything else. And with Christian branding and business, it's a big thing. So it's weird that in 2000, whenever you came out here... Das war nicht eine Sache, aber jetzt müssen diese Leute dich nicht mehr fragen.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Dieses ganze Netzwerk von christlichen Rockmusik, christlichen Filmen, christlichen Influencern.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, wenn Christen runtergehen, dann runtergehen sie groß. Sie runtergehen hart. Ja. Und ich hatte diese Verständnis letztens mit einem gemeinsamen Freund unseres. Und ich denke, es resoniert mit mir, dass wenn du wirklich merkst, dass der Schwung real ist, dass auch wenn du es in den Rahmen des Schicksals setzt, oder von den moralen Parametern, die die Christenheit sein soll.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And Nick has been through the fucking ringer that brought him to the edge, for sure. Not just to the edge of his faith, but I think really, to be honest, after talking to him... It sounds like to the edge of his life, literally. So it was great to catch up with him. He's got this new special out called Born Young, which is available on YouTube. I believe it's produced by Nate Bargetzi.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Die Bedürfnisse, mit Jesus recht zu gehen und diese Beziehung zu behalten, ist ein täglicher Schwung für manche Leute. Und das bedeutet nicht, dass sie gewinnen werden. Und wenn sie verlieren, geht es hart.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Always on the edge of a lot of things. I think that's how I live my life. It's as a metaphor, edging porn. Well, that's kind of interesting. So that means that most people who are looking to these leaders, they're willing to accept flaws or at least flaws in the past.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But sort of the conversation of active struggle that they may be not winning, then it's sort of like, well, we need to get a new leader.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Yeah, or it's like, you know, he needs sort of a one-on-one help, or maybe he should just come on this side of the podium for a while.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich denke, einer der Probleme ist auch, dass die Kirche eine Gemeinschaft ist. Wenn du mit den Leuten in der Gemeinschaft beginnst, oder du drückst andere Leute ein, dann geht es nie weg. Und, weißt du, das Verzweifelnde ist, dass du entweder in dieser Gemeinschaft bleiben wirst oder du wirklich zersprichst. Ja. Das ist der Grund, warum Leute in anderen Städten gehen und Kirchen starten.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Er hatte eine Kirche irgendwo und sie sagten, warum gehst du weg? Wir wissen es nicht wirklich, aber wir haben dieses Gebäude.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Er war das Art von, was ist es, der, äh, der erfolgreichste, äh, Christianity, the sort of empowerment-driven Christianity, that God wants you to be rich. And I don't think he's changed. I just think that he moved to a different state. Yeah, of course. That's what happens. They just keep moving him around. Catholic Church did that for years until there was hundreds of thousands of abused children.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
He tours with Nate. This morning we were leaving the hotel in Charlotte and there was a couple checking out and they recognized me. They were like, hey, what's going on? Good show last night. Yeah, we're heading out. And the woman was like, yeah, we heard that you... You know, on stage you talked about you stopped at a Dunkin' Donuts on the way down at a truck stop.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Wer weiß, wie sie sich verhalten. Oh, the hour, the length of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But everyone's doing that now and I know people are advised to do that now because everyone's decided because the algorithm has turned us out that, you know, people just can't, they can't pay attention.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Es ist so romantisch. Es war auch ein Teil des Jobs. Du musst herausfinden, wie du das machst. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
So this was really about just putting you out there. You're not looking to make a bunch of money on it. You're just like, you want people to watch it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, das ist eine schöne alte-schul-Thinkung. Du kannst den Frühstück nicht bezahlen, aber du kannst ein Sandwich haben.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Wo war das? Oh, ja. In der Comedy-Store. Findest du den guten veganen Creme-Cheese? Ja, Kitchen Maus. Oh, okay. Ich, äh, naja, ich meine, wenn ich in den Laden reingehe, bekomme ich den Mykonos.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And the guy was like, I thought you guys would be on a tour bus. I thought you guys were like, you know, you're just stopping at Dunkin' Donuts at truck stops. I'm like, yeah, don't tell anybody. But that's how I roll. I rent a car where I land and then I drive around the region I'm performing in. Ja, genau. I don't need a bus for just me and my opener.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, ich denke, sie machen einen guten Cashew-Cream-Cheese.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Aber ich habe sie immer noch in New York und ich habe immer noch die Idee, was für einen tollen Bagel das ist. Und es hat sich niemals mit dem, den ich gewohnt habe, gematcht. Ich kann mich nicht mehr erinnern, was der Name des Ortes war. Vielleicht waren es B&D-Bagels und ich musste in die Stadt gehen und sie am Morgen, wenn sie heiß waren, bekommen. In L.A.? Nein, in New York. Oh.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und sie waren dünn, Mann. Dünn. Dünn. Ja. Heftig? Ja. They were like, you know, it was like, they had a weight to them. And that's good? Yeah, it was good. Oh. Yeah, for me. I felt like those were the real deal. And you watch what you eat. Yes. Yes, dude, I'm nuts. So eating a dense bagel doesn't seem like a... No, it's a rare thing. So once a month.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But like, I'll tell you this, Cantor's Rye Bread is top notch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
It's awesome. Like, I'll do it. I don't want to wear it out. Yeah, I don't know that it's good for you. I would say it falls under the umbrella of vegan junk food. I'm gonna do it tonight. I'm doing the store tonight.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Yeah, yeah, just make sure you get... Well, what you do is, they have a vegetarian option and a vegan option. And the vegan option is... Die Mrs. Goldfarb ist Kornbrot. Ich denke, es ist eine satanische Art von Ding, oder vielleicht ist es Soja, aber es ist richtig gespeichert. Aber sie haben ein veganes russisches Dressing und sie verändern ihren Käse mit Avocado.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Also es ist im Grunde Sauerkraut, Avocado, das Fleisch und dann das vegane Russisches. Und sie grillen es, das ist die beste Part. Sie grillen es. Like a Reuben. And I've had very good experience with it.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Yeah, that makes them great. That's what gives them that awesome crust. It's not toast. They take the whole sandwich and they put it on the grill and they put the press on it and then flip it. Like a grilled cheese, right? Excellent.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Langer's. Yeah. How long have you been vegan? Three years. Yeah, I've been two. And I like cooking for it. And I'm really kind of a stickler with it. I've made one or two exceptions, but not consistently. I've been at a Thai place on the road because that's the only place I can eat. Und wenn sie ein bisschen Fischsaus in den grünen Papayasalat geben, dann nehme ich es.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Yeah, that's why I started it. But yeah, I cook all the time. You started for vain reasons. Oh no, I started for the cholesterol.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Well, you get a little more sensitive to that as time goes on, the animal thing. It does come in. You do know that you're good. You look at animals differently. I've always been an animal guy, but now like... Meine Empathie und Leidenschaft für Tiere, die in Schwierigkeiten sind, ist großartig. Ich habe zwei Katzen, die für irgendeinen Grund kämpfen. Sie werden nicht aufhören.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und das ist eine schreckliche Sache. Charlie will einfach nur den Scheiß aus Buster zerstören. Und ich weiß nicht, was da los ist. Und denkst du, Buster ist nicht dazu? Buster ist ein bisschen alt. Und Charlie ist nur ein Dick. Und er ist jünger. Und es ist einfach unangenehm. Ich denke nicht, er wird ihn töten. Aber es ist so, dass es alle Art von Stress verursacht. Und es hat einfach angefangen.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und ich weiß nicht, ich werde den fucking Charlie auf Medizin legen. Und ich will gar nicht Medizin nehmen. Also projiziere ich das auf ihn.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Der Katze hat keine Ballen. Ich weiß nicht über Rogan, aber ich vermute, je nachdem, wie viele Steroidabuse er in der Vergangenheit hatte, ich weiß nicht, was für Größe die Ballen sind, was für Effekte sie haben. Ich wünschte, wir hätten einen Mann, der das anschaut. Rogans Ballen? Ja. Ich bin sicher, wenn du das googlest, kriegst du etwas. Ja.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Aber zurück zu Beginn, ein interessanter Moment für mich, weil ich sicher bin, dass ich in der ersten Konversation wahrscheinlich ein wenig verurteilt war. Ich hatte wahrscheinlich Entscheidungen über dich, weil du Gitarre spielst und du hattest keine Haare und du sahst gut aus und Becci repräsentierte dich und du glaubstest, dass alles in deinem Weg geht, glaube ich.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, ich denke, und ich bin sicher, dass mich das enttäuscht hat. Aber ich erinnere mich, wir hatten einen sehr guten Gespräch über Religion und so. Aber ich erinnere mich, wir hatten das Gespräch und ich weiß nicht, dass ich dich so lange so lange gesehen habe. Und ich kam zu dir in Montreal und du warst auf einem fucking Teer. Ja.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und es war wie, oh mein Gott, er ist, er ist, er ist, er ist im Fall. Yeah. He's in trouble, that guy.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Yeah, like, you know, like, he strayed. Yeah. Well, what happened? What was the arc?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Hold on, dude. So you tell your wife we're going to have margaritas. Und wann ist es, wie schnell, bevor, du hast den Kind noch nicht oder du hast ihn? Ich habe den Kind noch nicht.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Also du pretendierst, als ob dein Mann es zu Hause kontrolliert. Ja. Gehst du noch zur Kirche? Nein, keine Kirche mehr. Ich habe vorher nicht mehr zur Kirche gegangen. Okay.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich kann mich nicht erinnern. War deine Frau eine Kirchenperson? Ja. Ich weiß nicht, ob sie jetzt geht. Aber du hattest das als Teil deiner Gemeinschaft. Ja. So now, does the shame of the drinking become consuming?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
You know, there's part of me that thinks like, well, maybe you should just do it to do it. But it would be sad. I think it would be a little weird to roll up on a theater and just me and Ali climb out of the bus. We're the rest of the guys. This is it. We just needed the whole bus to carry. We have two bags each and one's a carry-on.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I just have this one memory of going to a wedding. Mit meiner Frau, mit Kim, damals. Und wir waren in Boston, ich glaube, es war auf der Cape. Und... Bevor wir zu der Geburt kamen, habe ich zwei Atavans genommen. Aber dann bin ich zu der Geburt gekommen und sofort gehe ich zum Bar und mache zwei Schüsse Scotch. Und dann habe ich den Abend verloren.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich habe ein bisschen Weid getrunken, und ich habe mein Arm auf Feuer gesetzt.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Nein, ein Unfall. Und dann ist ein ganzer Abend vorgegangen. Und Und ich wuchs am nächsten Tag in der Bett- und Frühstück. Und alle auf der Frühstückstube sahen mich so seltsam an. Und dann kam jemand rein und fragte, warum ist da ein Auto auf dem Boden parkiert? Ich hatte das gemacht. Aber, weißt du... Aber jeder fuhr mit mir. Jemand ließ mich fahren.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Aber ich konnte das Abend nicht zusammenbringen. But just to drink two shots at the get-go on Ativan, on two of those, I was gone, dude. And that was like, you know, I felt like, shit. And then, you know, then you're with the person that knows you have a problem and somehow allowed you to get to this place again.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Du wirst nie vergessen, die Aktion, aber du vergisst, was passiert ist?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And then I did. It's weird, the moments you have with normies, where you're kind of trying to justify your thing, and they're like, what's wrong with you? It's morning. And you're like, what do you mean? We're going to meet friends for dinner. Why? What do you mean? Of course I'm going to... Ja, genau.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Oh ja, das sind echte New-Mexico-Schnitte. Sie sind groß, aber du bist ein großer Typ. Okay, so you're drinking a fifth and a half a day. But like after the Marguerite Point, how many years into your daily maintenance drinking did you have the kid?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But we thought it would probably be easier to take the bus and just put the shit in a trunk. Anyway, look, I wanted to mention something. This guy that I had on the show years ago, he's got something coming out. Drew Friedman is his name. He's a cartoonist, an artist. He's one of my favorite, I guess it would originally be underground comics.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Aber ich meine, als du wieder trinken begonnen hast, wie lange hat es gedauert, bevor du es so intensiv benötigt hast?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Yeah. Because I was like, who is this guy? And that was nine years in? Yeah. Oh my God. So how long did the, before, you know, the separation after you had the kid?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
He's just a brilliant portrait artist and also comic artist and There's this big documentary about him. It's called Drew Friedman, Vermeer of the Borscht Belt. It's directed by Kevin Dougherty. And Drew and Kevin are going to be screening the doc at the Aero Theater in Los Angeles this Saturday, March 29th.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Next thing you know. He was sober? Yeah. Oh my God. Were you still with him? Uh-huh. Oh. Are you still now? Uh-huh. No shit. Yeah. Well, that's good. Yeah. To have a profoundly sober manager. Yeah. Yeah.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
There was one scene where I was in a blackout, where I honestly think I was drugged in New York. But it's really hard to tell when you're an alcoholic and you're in it. Because I thought I was roofied by this weird couple and that they took me to an apartment and sexually abused me. That's what I believe. And I still believe it. I feel like I was drugged by these two people.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And I was a grown man and I was married and I was living in New York. Und es war ein voller Blackout. Und an einem Punkt, weil ich kam am nächsten Tag und meine Frau war, du weißt, sie war um die Polizei zu rufen. Ich war missbraucht. Und ich bin so, ja, ich weiß nicht, was passiert ist. Ich denke, du weißt, ich weiß nicht, aber ich habe ein schlechtes Gefühl und was auch immer.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
There's a panel discussion afterward with Dana Gould, Cliff Nesterov, Leonard Maltin, Meryl Marko, Ja, ich glaube so. Oder ich wäre Teil davon gewesen, richtig? Ich wäre Teil davon gewesen. Also morgen bin ich in Largo in Los Angeles. Das ist Dienstagabend, March 25th. Dann Skokie, Illinois. Ich komme zum North Shore Center für die Performing Arts am Freitag, March 28th. Joliet, Illinois.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und dann spielt sie dieses, ähm, eine Botschaft, die ich geblieben habe. auf der Maschine. Und sie hat literal gesagt, ich werde nach Hause kommen, sobald ich aus diesem Traum rauskomme. Das ist nett. Fuck, Mann. Poetisch. Das ist bemerkenswert. Ich bin sicher, das hat sie ziemlich gut überlegt, dass er okay ist. Oh, ja. Er wird nach Hause kommen, wenn er aus dem Traum rauskommt.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Sehr bemerkenswert. Oh, ja. Das ist echte Poetie. Fucking Nightmare. Ja. Und ich erinnere mich, dass ich versucht habe, etwas zu schreiben. Das ist der Grund, warum ich bedroht bin und nicht nur geblasen bin. Weil ich versucht habe zu schreiben, wo ich war. Und ich konnte es nicht schreiben. Ich glaube, ich habe das verarbeitet. Ich weiß nicht wirklich. Nichts Schreckliches passiert.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Es ist nicht so, als ob ich mit Blut auf meinen Arsch kommen würde. Aber ich fühle mich wie etwas seltsames. Als ob ich zu einer Party gebracht wurde, die ich keine Kontrolle hatte.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, richtig. Ja, besser, dass du es nicht weißt. Ich weiß nicht, dass ich ein riesiger Blackout-Mann war, aber ich hatte definitiv genug von ihnen und sie waren schrecklich genug für mich, dass sie nicht so oft passiert sind.
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Warst du physisch schlecht? Hatte deine Haut schlecht geschaut? Warst du ein bisschen braun?
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Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Du lebst nicht so. Ich meine, das ist, weshalb ich es bezeichnet habe. Weil wir eine Konversation hatten. Und es gibt etwas, was mir immer interessant ist. Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
The tick you didn't notice. And now you have this chronic ailment that will be a reminder of a very bad time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich gehe so viel auf und ab. Ich versuche es den Leuten zu erklären, aber wenn du ein Addikt bist, Und du fängst diese Sachen an. Ich war jahrelang völlig ohne Nikotin. Und dann habe ich ein paar Zigarren getrunken. Und dann musste ich sie wegnehmen. Und dann habe ich diese genommen. Und ich dachte, diese sind gut. Sie sind kein Tobak. Und sie arbeiten für mich. Also fuck it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Warum nicht sie machen? Aber dann findest du die gebrauchten. Die, die du aus dem Nikotin gesuckst hast. Sie sind überall. Sie sind in meinen Knochen. Sie sind unter meinen Pillen. Bin ich nicht aufmerksam? Ich dachte, du hattest Lasagen. Ich hatte, aber sie fangen an, meinen Stomach zu fressen. And I liked them, but these ones seem cleaner than lozenges, because the lozenges are...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich bin am Rialto Square Theater am Samstag, March 29th. Grand Rapids, Michigan für die GLC Live am 20. Monroe am Freitag, April 11th. And then Traverse City, Michigan at the City Opera House on Saturday, April 12th. Also new dates announced for Dynasty Typewriter in Los Angeles. Monday, April 14th. Saturday, April 26th. And Tuesday, April 29th. Those are all at 7.30pm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Das, was sie in einer Schokolade machen, hat mannitol oder irgendwelche Zutaten, die deinen Stomach scheißen können. Anstatt zu stoppen und zu sagen, ich werde sie probieren, vielleicht scheißen sie mir den Stomach. Machst du das auf der Bühne? Ja. Machst du einen auf der Bühne? Ich verändere sie auf der Bühne. Oh, wirklich? Ich bin an diesem Punkt der Bedrohung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
45 Minuten später werde ich sagen, ich muss meinen Zen auswählen. Sieh, ich bin von Kopenhagen nach Zen gegangen. Sieh, ich kann das nicht schütteln. Warst du es los? Ja. Oder in Päckchen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I can never keep a dip together in my mouth. It would always be an almost vomiting thing every time. But the pouches make everything easy. When I see Nate, I can't be... He does those pouches, you know. And I tell him that story all the time. nachdem er für mich in Carnegie Hall geöffnet hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Wir haben dieses große Show in Carnegie Hall gemacht und ich erinnere mich nur an ihn auf der Straße, der mir gesagt hat, du willst einen Pouch? Und er hatte so sechs übrig in diesem Container. Er hat gesagt, nimm alle diese. Und ich dachte, oh mein Gott, das ist der beste Teil der Nacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich denke, es gibt etwas Erstaunliches über die Natur der Atmosphäre um ihn herum. Er hat einen evenen Kiel. Ich denke nicht, er trinkt mehr. Er hat das Ding durch Gott oder was auch immer. Aber er weiß noch...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
You know, he knows the hunger, you know, to be like, it was funny because he gave me one and his, I don't know, his publicist or whoever he travels with, she goes, I've never seen anyone ask him for one of those. And Nate was sort of like, well, he's an addict, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Aber die Enttäuschung, meistens ist es die Enttäuschung oder die Scham, das ist, wo die Früchte sind. Und ich hatte etwas passiert am anderen Tag, wo es war wie, das war eine schreckliche Art von Gefühl, dass ein Typ mich gefragt hat, es war ein Gig, und es war, du weißt, es war ein bisschen interessant. Denn etwas Gutes kam daraus. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich es erklären kann. Ich war in South by 2.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Sie haben über mich geredet. Und dieser Kerl machte ein Event bei Soho House, über das sie zu mir gesprochen haben. Die Idee war, du wirst ein paar Vinyls wählen. Und wir werden fünf Songs aus fünf verschiedenen Rekorden wählen. Und wir werden eine Gruppe von Leuten zusammen machen. Wie ein Show fast. Und du wirst erklären, warum die Songs etwas für dich bedeuten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und dann werden wir sitzen und die Songs hören. Und ich dachte mir, das klingt lustig. Ja, das klingt lustig. Aber dann bin ich bei Soho House. Und es ist das erste Mal, dass ein Kind das macht. He's got no real stage jobs. He's kind of put it together. You know, he's got a turntable out there and two chairs. And we're waiting in this room adjacent to the room where it's going to be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And I just hear like Soho House people like drinking and laughing. And I'm like, what are we doing? I picked some pretty sweet, you know, sad songs. And we're just going to sit here, you know. And I walk out in this room and there's some bros, you know, with their wives or girlfriends. It's like, you know, young professionals. It's a Soho House scene. And I'm just this old fucking, you know...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I'm coming to Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire and Brooklyn, New York for my HBO special taping at the Bam Harvey Theater on May 10th. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all of my dates and links to tickets. So it's been, it's always kind of enlightening to be out here. You know, I get all worked up about the South. I get all worked up about politics.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Not normal Jewish comedian. I don't even know if they knew who I am or they thought I was a professor. It's not clear to me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Sure. Yeah, like this guy, he's a music guy. No, I'm not. I'm just a fucking guy. And I picked all these songs and like I judged them pretty heavily. How are we going to pull this off? Because there's something innately uncomfortable, even if I brought you into the house and I said, you got to listen to this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
You know, five, you know, a minute into me turning you on to music, I'm going to be like... Do you like it? I'll just turn it off. I wouldn't even make it through the song. There's a fundamental insecurity and vulnerability to that experience. And now I'm in a room full of Texans. It's mixed, but it's like Soho House. And I'm sitting there playing Randy Newman's Guilty.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
You know, and, but, you know... When you're pulling out Randy Newman, it's that you want people to listen and hear it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, and, but, you know what, you know, I was really kind of amazed and humbled by the fact, like, there was a guy sitting right up front, I looked at him, I said, there's no way I would even have a conversation with this guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I don't know what he thinks, but we're opposite men.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And, you know, and I'm riffing and stuff and he's fucking laughing his balls off, you know, and everybody played along with this thing. They sat and they listened. This group of like, you know, midday. And I was sort of like, dude, you gotta like, you gotta ease up on this. You know, the people aren't all what you think they are. Yeah, everybody's complex.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
You know, everybody, you know, nobody is, you know, that... set in their way. They were willing to have this experience or at least try. And I was the one that was uncomfortable.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Right. Or it's just going to be awkward. I don't mind negative. Awkward I could do without. This is one thing you want to avoid. But it was awkward. I have enough... Life Behind Me, where I'm like, dude, just, you know, just, you know, play along with this. This kid didn't know what he was getting into. He didn't really necessarily set it up quite right. But, you know, you can handle this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
We just got to get through 45 minutes and you like these songs and just talk about them and get some laughs. But I did, but it was really the most weirdly vulnerable position I've been in on stage in years. Just like knowing that like, well, we've got two more minutes of this song.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But they all were. Aber es war schwer für mich, nicht zu sagen, okay, wir können es ausmachen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
All that weird insecurity that we're projecting. Und ich habe eine Peter-Green-Fleetwood-Mac-Song gespielt. Und das Interessante an dieser Song war, weil es eine wunderschöne, wunderschöne Song ist. Gitarrenweise, lyrisch und ihm. Er ist ein interessanter Charakter. Aber es bringt mich ziemlich tief. Und ich habe das gespielt. Und ich wusste, ich bin in Texas. Ihr mögt Blues, oder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und ich habe das gespielt. Und es gibt keine Gitarre, die das gespielt hat. But these women came up to me like, what was the name of that one? Because that one really did something. And it's just like regular people. And I'm like, oh, yeah, well, that's Peter Green. I don't know if I'll go out and buy the record. But it landed. That feels good. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But ultimately, you know, I have plenty of people that come out to see me at these shows, even here in Charleston. It didn't sell as well as Charlotte or Durham, which was great. Ich hatte über 1.000 Leute dort in Durham. Was für eine tolle Stadt. Ich sah einige Leute, die ich da kannte und die gute Essen hatten. Und dann fuhr ich nach Charlotte. Und ich bin immer nervös über Charlotte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But the point was, it's just that awkwardness in public. And you sing. I'm still relatively terrified to play and sing. And I can do it all right, but not confidently. I can't own it, because it's just so vulnerable to me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, du wirst aufwachen und ich werde aufwachen, wenn ich Lieder spielen muss, weil ich nicht gut genug bin. Ich kann mich nicht einfach aufhören zu relaxieren, wie wir es im Stand-Up machen. Und ich versuche es. Ich denke, ich werde ein bisschen besser, aber es ist langsam, Mann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, ich auch. Immer, wenn ich mit Leuten spiele. Ja. Aber wir vergessen, dass... You know, as comics, you really need everyone's attention in a very specific way, like for real. And the idea that like when you're playing music, even if you have that kind of attention, then your own insecurity is sort of like, I gotta get through this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But if people are talking or they're not paying attention, they're ordering drinks and you're like, oh, they don't like it. Like, you know, the kind of place you've got to hold, you know, when you're playing music and not think about that stuff is much different. Weil es Musik ist. Sie werden in und aus sein, was auch immer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, klar. Das ist das andere. Wenn du... Sie sind ziemlich ehrlich darüber, woher sie kommen. Aber ich habe immer noch dieses Gefühl, dass ich es selbst machen muss. Ich bin nicht nur ein trauriger, späterer Boomer, der Cover-Songs macht. Ich will das wirklich sein. Ich will das nicht nur als Hobby sein, wenn ich es machen werde, was es ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Aber ich möchte es haben, weil ich eine Art von Spielen habe. Ich versuche nicht, wie ein Rekord zu spielen. Ja, ich habe keine Angst vor dem. Ich bin ein Interpreter aus meiner Unwissenheit. Ja. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And I want that to be enough.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Yeah. Yeah. But like, you know, I'm limited. Yeah. And I always judge myself against these 12 year olds on Instagram. I'm like, oh, my God, why can't I just practice a little more?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und ich dachte, wie ist er? Und dann hast du ihn gelehnt. Aber ich fühle ihn. Ich fühle die, die ich habe. Ich fühle diese Licks. Ich habe die gleichen Licks gespielt. Ich auch. Ich habe noch ein paar. Und ich versuche, etwas größerer zu machen. Aber das ist nicht das Land. Ich arbeite in den Mixolydien, in den Blues. Aber es ist nicht zufrieden für mich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und ich weiß nicht, warum. Ich bin so, was ist Charlotte? Es ist wie eine Bankstadt. Ich weiß nicht, warum ich dieses seltsame Ding habe. Und dann, als ich zu diesen Plätzen kam, habe ich gemerkt, Mann, ich bin hier mehr als einmal, mehr als zweimal, wahrscheinlich drei oder vier Mal, eine Art oder die andere. Ich denke, ich habe die Oddballfest, die erste Oddballfest in Charlotte gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und ich höre, auch wenn die Leute spielen, ich weiß nicht, ob ich über diese Note spreche. Aber nach einem bestimmten Punkt, unless you're really going to be like, I'm going to practice two hours a day. And I'm going to work on these runs. I'm going to learn new chords.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Those guys that can do it without thinking, like for me to play and sing at the same time, if the lick is a little complicated, it's a mess.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I mean, yeah. So did Chalamet, I think. Well, I know, I think that Dylan's more of a flat picker, but... Aber ja, es ist ein bisschen, du weißt, du kannst es verstehen. Und wenn du es verstehst, bist du so, ich mache es. Aber dann, um auf es zu singen, gut Glück.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Okay, so you hit the wall, you did the rehab, but they took you to the hospital, and then they finally got it out of you. Ja. Und dann hast du dich einfach eingelassen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And I don't know why I have this thing in my head. I knew Raleigh-Durham was going to be fine, but I had this thing in my head in Charlotte. And then I realized that sometimes you can't identify why a place or something makes you uncomfortable until you get there and you're like, oh yeah. I didn't feel great about my show last time. It was that simple.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Some cities, yeah. And so, but I guess that's helpful ultimately when you enter recovery to have a God in place. Yeah. As opposed to like, hey man, because everyone freaks out. It's like, well, the God thing. If that's not an issue...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And how did you rebuild with the ex-wife and the kid? War das Kind hübsch? Hast du dich von dem Kind erschrocken? Nein. Er war fünf Jahre alt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja, ja, ja. Das ist wunderschön. Es ist eine schöne, lange Halle und jetzt tourst du mit Nate immer. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ja. Er wird wahrscheinlich nur mit zwölf Leuten touren. Er sammelt etwas. Ich weiß, Alter. Ich weiß. Und wir werden alle auf der Reise sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Well, I love him too. I have for a long time. I get a real kick out of his comedy. And he's always been a nice guy to me. We don't hang out much. I had lunch with him at the Soho House in Nashville.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I never do. And now because I did that Listen in the Records gig, I think I got a membership, so... Oh wow. Yeah, for the year anyways. Oh wow, you can maybe run into Ice Cube or something. I don't know what people do at those places. I don't know who goes there either. They have a nice house. I did a show there once. Yeah, I don't know what it is. Whatever. But, well, the special was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
It was fun and I hope people watch it. Yeah, thanks. Me too. So what's the plan? Just a tour?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
It had nothing to do with the socio-political population of Charlotte or the nature of the region or anything. I just remember getting to the theater and I was like, oh yeah, this theater was a little hard to tell to keep your pace going because the laughs didn't come back at me like you expect them to. And I realized it was one of those nights where I thought, oh my God, every joke is a journey.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Well, good, man. I'm glad you're well. Yeah, thank you. Good talking to you. You too. There you go. He's a heavy tail, man. I had no idea that he went through all that. Again, Nick's special Born Young is available on YouTube. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Folks, seven years ago this week, I closed up shop in the old garage before moving out of my house in Highland Park. To commemorate the occasion, I did a little tour of the garage as I packed it up on episode 900. The first thing I'm looking at over here is these are the notes. for the Obama interview. And I saved this thing from the Secret Service. Telephone trap sheet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Please fill out the blank spaces with as much information as possible. Special agents may sign as a witness. And then bomb threat sheet. I don't know what all that meant, but as a page it looks pretty good. Oh, I see. You had a checklist. I guess I checked this stuff. It didn't fill out here. And then there's just the notes from Brendan that we put together to talk to Obama about.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And then there's my notes and some more notes. So, I should keep this. It was a fairly complicated day. So that goes in the document box. Oh, it's already happening. Oh mein Gott. Das ist ein seltsamer Mann, der aus Pipe Cleaners ausgestrahlt wurde. Ein Rat. Ein Plastik- oder Rubber-Rat. Ich habe das seit der Schule gemacht. Ich erinnere mich daran, als ich hoch war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Der Pipe Cleaner hat einen sehr definierten Kack und Ballen für irgendeinen Grund. Und er fährt einen Rat. Es scheint ein rarer Teil der Ephemera zu sein. Ich werde das behalten. That's episode 900 with the full garage tour and my talk with Nick Nolte. You can listen to that for free on all podcast platforms. To get every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Every joke is a mountain. But this time we just, we did, it was great. I mean, it was, it was just, it was great. We, I mean, you get the hang of it. But that's what I realized that the thing was. That was what was in my head. And it kind of fucked me up. It's just weird. You know, you get out and you talk to people and things become kind of a... A different game. I went to this place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
It was sort of interesting. I went to this place. I was trying to find vegan food in Charlotte. I found this place. It was like a soul food, plant-based thing. I went to this place called The Kitsch. I've never been to these places where you just walk in and there's a wall of screens. You order on the screen and then somebody brings it to you from a door. Und mehrere verschiedene Restaurants.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Also ich schätze, es ist nur wie eine industrielle Küche hinter dieser Tür mit Stationen für jede dieser verschiedenen Arten von Essen oder Restaurants. Aber es war wie ein normaler Konto- und Seed-Restaurant, ein Brick-and-Mortar-Restaurant, verbunden damit. Und ich liebte nicht, was ich an der Pflanze gesehen habe. Und dann habe ich mit dem Mann gesprochen. Es war ein japanisches Restaurant.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Es war das Dozo Japanese American Kitchen. Ich spreche mit dem Mann da, dem Mann, der den Ort besitzt. Und er hat mit einem Kühlschrank angefangen. Er sagte, er hätte keine veganen Sachen auf dem Menü, aber er sah, dass ich frustriert war. Und er hat mich erkannt. Er hat gesagt, du bist Marc Maron. Ich habe dich vor ein paar Monaten im Comedy-Store gesehen. Du warst großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und ich habe gesagt, danke. Ich weiß nicht, ob ich das Essen essen möchte. Er hat gesagt, ich mache dir etwas, Mann. Ich mache dir etwas vegan. Und er hat sich einfach rausgesetzt und mir eine frische Bratwurst und Tofu und gebratenen Reis gebraten. Und ich habe mit ihm darüber gesprochen. über das Geschäft, über den Weg aus dem Truck in ein Restaurant und wie das ging.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Und dann haben wir einfach darüber gesprochen, wie die Stadt aussieht und wie Charlotte blau ist und wie die Stadt rot ist und wie es ist. Aber dann war es ein bisschen interessant, dass er ein Geschäft machte. And when he was younger, he didn't really have a sense of the impact of politics or what's going on on necessarily his life or his business.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But now, you know, the talk was about what are these tariffs going to do? What is this new economic policy going to do? Is he going to be able to survive as a business with food prices being jacked, getting produce from Mexico? So it is kind of fascinating how many people are relatively detached
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. What is happening? I have been out here. I've been on the road. I'm still on it. I'm in it. I'm living it. I'm recording this in a hotel room. Not even my hotel room, because my hotel room is not ready yet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
from the impact of politics on their life and sort of consumed with the satisfaction of ideological actions taking place that make them emotionally satisfied. Like if you're cruel and intolerant and the idea of hundreds of thousands of people being thrown out of the country because Trump said he was going to do it, it's satisfying. When you read about it and go like, yeah, fuck yeah. I mean...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
It's hard for me to empathize or get into the brain of that, but nonetheless, it's just an emotional reaction to bits and pieces of information or news or policy that is completely destroying the fabric of our government and our society. But some people are satisfied by that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But the actual trickle-down effect of connecting the dots between how these policies and how the tone of the country affects your life I don't know. I don't know if it's going to happen to everybody. I don't know if people are still going to be satisfied. But it was interesting to talk to somebody who just had this moment of like, oh, this has a direct impact on my livelihood.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And obviously everybody's fired from the federal government and people were deported and that too. But this guy not, you know, he's just running a restaurant anyway. It's good to talk to people. I feel like that's been some kind of theme of how I'm approaching dealing with this stuff in my life. You know, talking to people becomes essential. All that said, it's been okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I don't know what's going to happen tonight. Like I said, Durham was great. Charlotte was great. Tonight, by the time you listen to it, it'll be done. But I'm looking forward to this. It was kind of a weird situation the time I was down here last time. But the weather's been perfect. I don't know. I'm just trying to tighten up that set.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
It's very tricky to be doing like an hour and a half, hour 40 on the regular. And I got to get that down to 70 or 60 or 70 for the special. And you get very attached to these bits. And I got to pull out some major chunks to get this kind of singing at the length of time necessary for the special. Last time I talked to you, I said I went to get the eval, get the medicine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
I talked to you about how just having the label or the condition named, you know, obsessional anxiety, it brought me some relief, but it didn't last long. But nonetheless, now I'm in that zone where I'm going to try the medicine. I'm trying it. I'm on it. I'm on it right now. Can you tell the difference? Does it feel different? Do I feel like a whole new person?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Does it sound like I'm just taking it easy? That I'm taking everything in stride and keeping things in the right... ist es funktionierend? Aber weil ich diese Idee hatte, die ich gestern Abend auf der Bühne gesprochen habe, dass mein ruhiger Geist nicht ruft. Und ich denke, ich habe das vorhin schon gesprochen, und es ist sicher nicht unbekannt für diejenigen, die das tun.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Ich denke, wenn du so ein Gehirn hast, wirst du das Schlimmste vorstellen, du wirst es in deinem Kopf spielen, und dann ist alles, was dorthin kommt, eine verdammte Sieg. Es ist eine Erleichterung. Und ich habe gemerkt, dass ich dieses Ding gemacht habe, Das ist echt verrückt und ich weiß nicht, warum ich damit angefangen habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But along those lines, I've been doing this thing where when I fly now, like getting to the airport and all that stuff, it's aggravating, it's anxiety. And even though it's my life, just converging on the point of departure causes me a lot of stress. There's a lot of things to do. There's a lot of things to get through. And there's the whole act of leaving, whatever that entails for anybody.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
But it's just normal flight stuff. But when I get on a plane, and I used to be a guy... I was terrified of flying for years. For years I would have to stay up all night. I would drink. I would do drugs. I would do whatever it took to try to just not be terrified to take off. In a fucking airplane. And it was taxing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And when you lived like that, you know, you'd get to wherever you were going and you were immobilized from just what you had to do to get through the fucking flight. And at some point I let go and I thought it was a spiritual moment. I thought, you know, if I'm going to understand the concept of powerlessness. Das ist ein tolles Beispiel dafür. Und ich mache das.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Aber die Schritte, die ich in meinem Gehirn nehme, um auf einem Flugzeug zu fliegen, sobald ich auf dem Flugzeug komme, bin ich so, okay, Alter, du kannst immer noch aussteigen. Wenn du musst, kannst du immer noch aussteigen. Wenn du ein schlechtes Gefühl hast, kannst du immer noch aussteigen. Du kannst alles jetzt stoppen. Erzähl ihm, um dich zurückzukehren und dich aus dem Flugzeug zu lassen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
Es ist immer noch möglich. But then once it hits the runway and the engines go and we're taken off, that shifts. And then I go into, well, you can't get off now. And you know what? You have no control over what's happening. You signed up for this. You got to get to where you're going. It's out of your hands, dude. You're in the fucking air.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
So I had to borrow the space from my opening act, Ali Makovsky. We just checked in, she went for a walk somewhere over in lovely Charleston, South Carolina, which is where I'm reporting from. I'm coming to you live from Charleston, South Carolina, where I have no sense of anything other than very southern, but in the glamorous southern way. It seems very specific. And people love it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1628 - Nick Thune
And then for a few minutes, what I do is I just picture very graphically the plane crashing. I just picture that moment where everyone around me realizes it, this is it, and just the screaming and the terror and the feeling of what it would be like to go out that way, how much time would you have to think about things, and then just the black emptiness of death and just the chaos and terror
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
How about an errand? Yeah, let's go pick up the thing at the place. All right, great. Oh, I love it. Panic, Fear, Food. How about another movie? Okay, what's going on? I'm just trying to recap the days. I have been out on the road, as you can hear. I'm not... In the garage. I'm in a high ceiling hotel room that it looks like it's literally, literally built to have echo and bounce. So enjoy that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Really? No. That's the thing about kids. And I'm doing press. Oh God, you're just sick all the time. Sick all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Sure, and thinking about opening a boutique of some kind. Oh, God. That's not you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But so the prepper mentality happens when they're teens, probably?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Unfortunately, it might come with an ideology you're not happy with.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, it's come full circle. People always say that, but I think there is still some distinction.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I know. I just, you know, I can't think about it all the time. Well, there's always this hope that I'd get out under the wire, but I don't have kids. So, you know, you can take the pill.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I'm not really. Yeah, he's not going to fight. He's like, I'm too old for this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I don't understand completely the sort of idea of prepping for the end so you can live after it. What's that like?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I mean, you'd like to think it matters for a little while. Sure, it's fun for a little while. No, but six months of recognition and you think you've changed things. Yeah, you're in Hollywood, that's about right. You move the sort of artistic ball forward a bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Das ist das Wahre. Nein, aber ich meine, außer beim Aktieren, wenn du ein Spiel schreibst, würdest du denken, dass das ein Ort in der Welt ist, das dich auslösen wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich meine, ich denke, dass echte Künstler das glauben müssen. Ich bin zynisch darüber, weil ich denke, ja, also was wird uns aus diesem Song herauskommen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I am in right now. I am recording in Lexington, Kentucky, before my show yesterday. I will say this trip has been, it's been interesting and odd to me to travel in the south in this new world that we are entering, being dragged into. Maybe I should say that. Before I start rambling, I'd like to say that I have Carrie Coon on the show. She's been on the series like The Leftovers, The Gilded Age.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Es ist schwer für mich, Theater hier zu sehen. Ich habe Linda Visk gesehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Linda Visk sah ich. Ja, du hast es hier gesehen. Das war großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Wir haben uns auf den Steely Dan-Song gespielt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Nein, ich verstehe Steely Dan. Ich freu mich nicht über sie. Ich auch nicht. Aber er ist jünger als ich und wir sind noch nicht ganz Boomer. Er sollte sich nicht so weit wegwerfen. Wir sind die gleiche Generation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja. Und was versuchst du wirklich zu machen? Hast du es in einer echten Art und Weise verabschiedet?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But I mean, in terms of like really dealing with... That death thing, I mean, as an actor person, because I feel like I can intellectually wrap my brain around it. But to really feel the terror of it, that's a whole different story. Like I somehow, another one night in bed, I got myself into a situation where I was pretty sure I had cancer. And I felt the terror of it. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And it made me realize, like, I'm not prepared for this at all.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Na ja, nachdem er Kinder hatte, ja. Wirklich?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber was ist mit einer spirituellen Foundation? Was?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
...verwundet und alles. Es kommt heute später zurück, ich bin sicher.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber die Schuld und Scham religiös, als opposed to just free-floating, ist wahrscheinlich mehr spezifisch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, aber okay, also mit dem Arbeit, das du gemacht hast, was war es, mit dem du sie nicht vertrauen konntest? War es echt, oder war es nur eine seltsame, kinderliche Sache, dass der Fehl nicht mehr praktisch war?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
In Ohio? Ich habe fünf Kinder in meiner Familie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Was it part of the Midwest Swede invasion? No, no. I don't have much of that, I don't think.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
What is it about people who want to become priests? What was his trauma? I think it's very romantic. Is it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Fargo. She's in movies like Gone Girl, The Nest and his three daughters. You can see her now on the new season of White Lotus. She's married to Tracy Letts, the brilliant actor and playwright, who for some WTF trivia, out of all the guests, Vielen Dank. Tracy Letts is my friend. And I can say that with confidence. And I am today interviewing his brilliant wife, who is a great actress.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
That's the best way to do an accent. I think so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber das ist interessant. Du merkst es als Theatrische zu Beginn? Klar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und ist da ein volles politisches Spektrum zwischen den Schwestern?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Fuck off. But emergency room nurse, that's intense. Yeah, it is intense. So it's wife and death every day.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But like that relationship, I talked to Noah Wiley about that because he's got that new show on, The Pit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Dein Verständnis der Intimität mit der Mordqualität und der Fragilität des menschlichen Körpers ist einfach Tag in und Tag aus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
What's interesting about that emergency room nurse or the smoking or anything else is that it's got to be some kind of addiction almost.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, they're prepared. Yeah. Yeah, they're ready to go. Like they got a bag to pack to help.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Das war der Weg, wie meine Mutter immer aufwuchs. Es war furchtbar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Wie ein Humanist und ein Kollaborator. Und all das alles dauert Wochen, um zu improvisieren, um zu finden, wo die Szenen sind. Faszinierend. Es ist verrückt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, natürlich. I kind of did a small crash course in some of the stuff you did and I'm a little traumatized because I watched... No, what did you watch?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And then I watched Gone Girl. But The Nest, I've never seen that before, but I saw that guy's other movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
What is it about that? You know, because I just, I watched another indie movie the other night because my friend's in it. And there's a real difference between filmmakers who are just honoring a script in a very sort of basic way to execute the script. And then filmmakers who have like a real full vision. And it happens a lot with comedies, independent comedies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I don't even know why people do them. Because it... Ich meine, weil es so ist, wenn du ein Skript schaust und es ist, oh, das ist eine lustige Szene.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Um es auf der Kamera für alle lustig zu machen, musst du wirklich etwas Magie haben. Oder sonst wird es einfach so sein, okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber dieser Typ, der Typ, der The Nest gemacht hat, er scheint eine wirkliche Verständnis zu haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Es ist seltsam. Niemand hat es gesehen. Wirklich? Nein. Sie sollten es sehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Total älterer Film. Und es ist überraschend in einer Weise, die nicht überrascht ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Like in the sense of like how that character of him reveals itself. Yeah. In that one scene with the mother, you're like, oh, this monster.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und es ist eine völlig echte Art und Weise von einem Typ von Mann und einer Art von Frau und Kindern. Und Gone Girl, das war großartig. Aber ich meine, ich weiß, dass du viele andere Sachen gemacht hast, aber das ist, was in meinem Kopf ist. Und ich habe alle Episoden von White Lotus gesehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ist das so, wie es dir funktioniert hat? Du arbeitest nicht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I don't know that any kind of kid is necessarily like that. That's where the whole sort of selfishness of the parent comes in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Well, what's the bargain? Like, do they miss having a parent for six months or do you drag them wherever you are to, you know, watch movies in a strange apartment?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So there you go. It's all set up. I want to sneak this in, too, before I start babbling aimlessly. I will be at Largo.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I think I have three, but I have no kids. The level of worry I have about my cats is unnatural. Yes, right, of course.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Oh, it's the worst. It's the worst. I used to avoid it because we grew up with dogs. My mother was more in the school of like, drop them off. und es machen. Aber das letzte Paar, die ich mitgenommen habe, war da. Es ist schrecklich, aber... Du solltest da sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, aber es ist schwer, Mann. Es ist so schwer. Es ist schrecklich. Das ist das, was du mit deinem Kopf tun musst. Du hast ihm ein gutes Leben gegeben. Er würde nicht im Wild überleben. Du machst das richtige, was du tun würdest. Wenn du in dieser Zone bist, in der du ein Tierleben behältst, wenn es verrückt ist,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
tomorrow night in los angeles i just want to make sure that that's out there because i feel like i've not worn out my welcome in la but i feel like everybody who wants to see me has seen me here uh or in la and that they assume that you know like well is he going to do the same stuff i'm not always i rarely do the same set but i do want to put that out there largo at the coronet tomorrow night
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So wait, what did you do when you were a kid? Was there an active farm?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Es gibt etwas über die Beziehung der Landwirte zu Tieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich denke so. Ich weiß nicht. Mein Vater ist in den Schmerzen der Dementia. Oh, mein Gott. Das ist eine schwierige Frage. Und ich bin von ihm entfernt. Seine Frau kümmert sich noch um ihn. Ja. But I don't know if I'm feeling, I think after somebody you love dies or you see enough of it that you realize like, well, this is inevitable.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And grief and loss is inevitable. Yes. On some level.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber als du erwachsen bist, wann hast du angefangen, das Aktivismus zu machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
It seems like that generation doesn't. No. It's so traumatic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But that wasn't the one from Save the Private Ryan. No, that was like D-Day. No, but it was a terrifying battle. The Battle of the Bulge, I thought, was in the snow, where they were pushing back the Germans. It was towards the end of the war, right? Yeah, it was. He didn't talk about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I know, I just watched that... Hast du jemals die rechte Geschichte gesehen? Nein. Der David-Lynch-Film?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Es ist ein Masterpiece und es ist nicht ein weirder Film. Es ist nicht wie ein freaky David-Lynch-Film. Es ist eine sehr rechte Geschichte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und es gibt eine Szene zwischen zwei Veteranen. Es ist wie mindblendig. Richard Farnsworth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
You gotta see it. I'll yell at Tracy. I keep talking about it. I met some guy at the deli last night after I did comedy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I know, I do that all the time. Like I discover a movie that's been around for decades.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
In Los Angeles, that's Tuesday, February, February 25th. Then I got another red state run. I'll be in Oklahoma City at the Tower Theater on Thursday, March 6th. Dallas, I'm at the Majestic Theater, Friday, March 7th. I'll be in Houston at the White Oak Music Hall on Saturday, March 8th. San Antonio at the Empire Theater on Sunday, March 9th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Well, Deliverance, I had to go back and watch because I was brought to it by my grandparents. Oh, wow. When I was like 11. So dark. And yeah, but like it's weird what you remember. I did learn something about kids brains is like I didn't really register the rape. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And but like when I saw it again, I'm like, wow, they really show that shit. Yeah, we really do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
No, because you don't have the point of reference.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, it's true. You shouldn't. So you're 10.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, aber hat das dich in die Kunst eingegangen? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Gute Aufmerksamkeit von einem okayen Lehrer oder was?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
What was the S-Angle? Be present and self-affirmation?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber es ist ambitioniert. Es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist, es ist. Well, there's a confidence to it that's annoying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Very frustrating. I can't really wrap my head around it. I'm walking away. Aggressive detachment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich habe Spiele in Wisconsin gemacht. Aber wie wurde es dann in Wisconsin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, San Antonio, look, I don't know how many of you listen or give a shit, but that show's looking a little lighter than I'd like. I don't want it to be a strange, isolated experience for the diehards that come. So I'm not begging. I'm just trying to get it out there. Maybe you didn't hear me say it, but San Antonio. All right. You listen in Empire Theater Sunday, March 9th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And it's a membership thing, so it's pretty full usually?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And you've got to learn how to fill it with your presence.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber Steppenwolf, welche Generation von Schauspielern waren da?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Nein, er hat George gespielt. So you were in that production.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Now, like for... Wie meine Überzeugung in Bezug auf das, was Steppenwolf bedeutet und was da los war, dass es ein intensives, angstiges und konzentriertes Bündchen von Leuten war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
It's also, I guess, also why sketch comedy has taken over comedy. It's the same thing. It was never a stand-up town, but it was always an improv town.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But so Tracy, like as an actor... So you played opposite him. He was your husband.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So you got to sit there on stage watching him yell.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I know, I saw him in that Arthur Miller play.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
He was. Yeah, he really was. But I talked to Mangold yesterday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And then I'm going to South by Southwest to let everybody watch a fairly detailed and thorough documentary about me. And some of the subtexts are my inability to pull my pants up. Look for that. If you're seeing the documentary, chart the sort of drooping of Mark's pants. I don't know why I think no one notices that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
The life I live, you know, I get out, I was told he's going to be early and I come out here to set up and he's sitting in his Porsche in my driveway. I'm like, hey, buddy, you want to come in? Yeah, yeah. But I talked specifically about that scene. Where Tracy gets driven in the Corvette. Oh my gosh, it's so funny.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
It's a great choice. So, but do you guys talk about acting?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, du gehst einfach in ein anderes Ding. Ja, sorry. Das Ding scheint besser zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Es ist faszinierend. Es ist erstaunlich, Alter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich glaube, die Frage wird, je nachdem, was diese Leidenschaften oder Proklivaten in Bezug auf Kompulsion und den Schaden, den es zu deiner Leben macht, das wird die schwierige Sache, um sich zu separieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I mean, I feel like I pull them up enough and I feel more comfortable when they're a little low, but I'm not looking for them to hang out off of my ass. You know, I just... I like the doc. You know, it's hard to watch myself. But yeah, maybe there's a little Easter egg in there for you. Is that what you call them?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I think he's 31 years. To Al-Anon or to the other one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Because you can immediately take responsibility. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
A skin picker. Where does that come from? A compulsive skin picker.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber konntest du dich bemerken? Like the whole trauma business. Yeah. Because I'm talking about it a bit on stage now. Oh, good. And it's kind of interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I think that's really good. Well, I think the interesting thing about it is that trauma is relative to the impact it had on your life. That's very true. So the most profound traumas may not be the ones... Yeah, I think that's true, because I wouldn't consider myself to be like, I don't have some like big, huge sob story of trauma in my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But a lot of it usually comes down to like having some control.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Right. But when you're on stage, it's part of the craft and part of the job. And the underlying thing is to be present. But when you're doing things to either lose yourself or diminish yourself as a compulsion, that speaks to some other weird thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
At some point, keep an eye out because you will, towards the end of the film, see my naked ass because I'm bending over to put something in the oven. Just look out for it. It's a big payoff after an hour of just drooping pants to finally get the punchline. I will be in Durham, North Carolina at the Carolina Theater of Durham on Friday, March 21st.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I was trying to remember some part of a story that I used to tell about myself of an event that happened. And I'm missing details now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But I think at the core of it, though, like the idea of no self is that like what I find to be down there is some sort of terror.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
can be very young and based in some sort of strange abandonment or distance or lack of emotional support or whatever. But I find that when you get right down to it, it's this childish terror of not being taken care of because you don't trust that people will do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Absolutely, yes. And so that kind of confuses the Buddhism.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, ich weiß, sicher. Ich meine, man kann es zu ein paar Tics und Habits brechen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber das ist etwas. Ich meine, es ist so lustig. Ja, es ist etwas. Ich habe das immer über alte Method-Aktoren bemerkt. Sie machen klar Jobs, die sie nicht alle investiert haben. Sie haben immer noch diese Tics und Habits, die sie durch all das verbringen. Das ist wahr.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Well, I don't do much too much acting. But like when I really try to do it, it's, you know, my first if I get cast in something that's not of type, I realize like, oh, this guy's not neurotic. So I can just turn that part off.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Well, yeah, because it's a crutch to do that constant self-reflection thing. To have a guy that doesn't do that is like, sure, why wouldn't that be good? But then you doubt, like, well, what's his inner life? How's that going to matter?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
If you can just turn off all this other self-awareness and just live in this present where this guy doesn't take responsibility for certain things, well, that's nice for a little while.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I mean, I'm still trying to figure out whether I, you know, have any, I try to engage some choices that are not me. But I do think at a core level, and this is sort of an argument against the lack of self thing, is that when you see people act, I think even the best actors, no matter what they're doing, you do see them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina at the Night Theater on Saturday, March 22nd. And Charleston, South Carolina. I'm at the Charleston Music Hall on Sunday, March 23rd. A little Marc Maron trivia. The last time I was in Charleston, and that show could use some people too, but I'm not expecting massive Maron crowds in thoroughly red places. But the last time I did Charleston, some guy brought...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
No, of course. Celebrities are always kind of doing themselves. But even the most immersive actor. You know it's them. Yeah, kind of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But it's just interesting, because I've sat across from Ian McKellen, Sir Ian McKellen, telling him I don't really get Shakespeare, and having him do it, and then just go back to Ian McKellen. And there was something very revealing about that, that approach, that he's just this guy, and then he does this thing. And I think more than... Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber das lustige an ihm ist, dass wenn du lange genug mit ihm im Raum bist, er so wie der Charakter redet, aber er lässt dich wissen, ich kann immer noch über Dinge reden, über die Jeremy redet. Aber ich werde es so machen. Wie diese Person. Wie diese Person. Ja, das ist ein ganz... Ich meine, das ist... Vielleicht mache ich es falsch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Well, no, because my experience is still pretty limited.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I've been doing more of it, but to kind of find out, you know, whether it is, like, whether the... Würden Sie jemals? I expressed interest in it. And then when they told me the schedule of what it would take to get something up. It's really hard.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, four weeks, you know, putting it together, previews, and then we'll see if anyone comes. But I'm on stage, you know, every night of my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But what we were speaking about before, too, is sort of interesting about presence, you know, as a comic, that there's something happening to me now that's never happened before. What's that? Which is like, you know, everything's pretty immediate and pretty life or death for me, you know, in terms of what I'm trying to express.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And I feel that my intensity speaks to that when I'm doing stuff on stage. And I found that if like, you know, look, you've got enough craft in place to where it doesn't have to be that dire. And it might be a relief for the audience if you weren't so, you know, intensely needy for them to understand you. Uh-huh. And so...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So like I, cause I told my friend Sam, you know, in the midst of this, you know, global collapse and political collapse, I was on the phone with Lipsight and I was like, you know, I just can't, there are comics out there that are just kind of laying back. And I said to Sam, I said, I just want to take it easy. And he goes. Er sagt, das sollte dein neues Spezial sein. Marc Maron, mach es einfach.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Das ist gut. Aber es steckt in meinem Kopf, dass, wie, guck, Junge, du weißt, und ich denke, dass die Erklärung davon war, dass mein Publikum gleichmäßig ist. Sie sind sensibel, kreativ, erwachsenen Menschen, die viel Verlust und traumhaften Stress erleben. Und es gibt keine echte Lösung. Und ich habe sie nicht. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So like I had this moment where I'm like, I will, I will commiserate with you for the first 10 minutes because I'm in the same spot you are with the same feelings. And, you know, we can judge the other side. We could do whatever. But what's more important is like, how are we dealing with it? And then after that 10 minutes, I'm like, all right, now I will entertain you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
A pre psychotic Nancy Mace to the show. She was always Republican, but there was a point there where she was relatively reasonable. And now she's just a fucking clown. But someone brought her to my show. She was there on a date with a guy who was a fan of mine. And after the show, I remember meeting her and she was slightly panicked. Sie sagte, ich weiß nicht, was ich hier tue.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So that's new for me. That's really the idea of entertaining.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber für mich ist es sehr wichtig. Und es ist nicht, dass es etwas weniger wichtig ist, aber ich kann den Ton ein bisschen wechseln, wo ich sage, okay, also wir haben gerade über Hitler gesprochen, jetzt habe ich diesen Katzen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
It does. Because, you know, I'm not... What happens is, if you get to that place, the self-consciousness and the need for connection changes. Right? Because you have to accept that, like, well, they're here to see me, so the need for attention has been fulfilled already. So, why don't you open it up a little bit? But in terms of the acting thing, with...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich sehe mich nicht so viel mit Komödie, aber es ist ähnlich. Ich weiß, wenn ich sage, oh, also in dem Moment warst du nicht da. Und das ist wirklich, was passiert. Aber ich habe nur dieses Indie gemacht, wo ich einen Leaden spielen musste. Es war das erste Mal. Und alles, was ich weiß, was ich da gemacht habe, du weißt, ich war bereit. Ich habe mich irgendwie für den Job gezeigt. Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Du kannst die andere Sache nicht kontrollieren. Ja, aber warum schauen wir? Was meinst du, warum schauen wir? Warum schauen wir uns selbst und fragen uns, warum sagen wir Dinge wie, niemand hat diesen Film gesehen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So when you watch it, you can assess your choices and wonder if there are other ones?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
In life, I don't know why I can't stand up straight.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
At least you know. See, that's not unexamined. I wrote on a note for that movie. I'm like, don't slouch. This guy doesn't slouch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But with acting in terms of a right or wrong way to do it, I don't think... I was fortunate in going into that movie a couple of weeks before I talked to Pacino. And I don't know... Like there was some sort of mind blowing thing because like he's not the guy you think he is. And when you talk to him, he's just kind of neurotic, shy, you know, guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And like what he was talking about in terms of why he acts. And I don't know why I never really fully put it together is that as an artist, as opposed to just an actor. Yeah. You know, he was in pursuit of truth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I don't know why that was so mind-blowing to me. Because I don't think I ever framed it that way. I knew about being present, but I never saw the journey that presence implies truth in a moment. But the actual drive to act in any situation or any production is to find truth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, ich denke, es gibt Leute, die sagen, dass Akteure nur gut am Pretenden sind. Ja. Aber es ist nicht, wenn du drin bist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, Knicks? What the fuck, Tuckians? Yes, what the fuck, Tuckians? I'm in what the fuck, Kentucky. What the fuck, Tucky? I'm here. I'm taping this in your state. How's it going? Well, I'll just ask that to the world. Hey, hey, hey. Pet the Cat, Fear, Hopelessness, Panic, Food, More Food.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I remember when I talked to John C. Reilly, you know, he was like, I don't usually do this because I just don't want to, you know, he says, I want to keep up the mystique.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And then we ended up talking about clowns for an hour.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich weiß nicht, was ich hier tue. Ich weiß nicht, was ich hier tue. Und nur phrenetisch, ein bisschen phrenetisch. Ich bin froh, dass sie mich gesehen hat und dass ich die Güter in das jumbled... Vielen Dank. So I've been trying to do some reading out here on the road and I've been reading Sidney Lumet's book about directing movies, which has been helpful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
So when you get cast in this White Lotus business, what do you draw from? When you look at that and go, I can do this. What was appealing about that character?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Right, you've got to trust the director to a certain degree. I can't imagine what it would be like to not trust the director.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
The director I work with on that movie, I wouldn't say he's neurotic, but he's very, you know, compulsive in terms of how his brain works. So, you know, if he like he would give you. Das Schwierigste für mich, wenn ich das tue, ist, wo waren wir gerade vor dem Thema, wenn du aus der Sequenz schießt? Oh, weil du immer aus der Sequenz schießt. Wie in der Hölle wirst du das herausfinden?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber dieser Kerl war sehr aufmerksam, bis zu dem Punkt, wo er für die ganze Woche, er schreibt, wo du warst. Und ich bin so, ich kann nicht all das lesen. Ja, du bist so, eigentlich, fünf Wörter oder weniger.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Also, was war es, was dich zu Al-Anon zuerst hat?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Es ist egotistisch, aber auch, um zu sprechen, was das Selbst ist. Wenn du so lebst, hast du keinen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Auf der anderen Seite... Now that we're talking about it, I think that's why you get into performing as almost like, you know, a fuck you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
You know what I mean? Like you can own your own space.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But also you have a thing. It's a compartmentalized thing. We're all working to do this thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Sure. Das war das andere, was ich mir gedacht habe, als ich diesen Film gedreht habe, als ich mit Ethan Hawke darüber gesprochen habe, Trainingstag zu machen. Und er sagte, er sah den Denzel Washington Filme, als wären sie Trainingsfilme. Oh, wow. Wie wenn Fußballteams das andere Team anschauen, weil er einfach nicht wollen wollte, um zu essen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Weil ich nur eine Szene mit ihr gemacht habe. Und nach den ersten zwei Fotos bin ich so, ich verschwinde, Alter. Ich bin nicht im Charakter. Ich sitze nur da und sage, Sharon Stone konsumiert mich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah. The only thing that saved me was this stuff I got from Pacino's book. And I think it was like Stanislavski's stuff. Go to the character. Why are you there? Where did you come from? You know, what are you doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich wusste nicht, was die Basics waren. Es bringt dich außerhalb von dir. Nach dem Schlafen in meinem Trailer, wie Leonardo DiCaprio in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, schrie ich meinem Manager, ich kann das nicht machen. Es war ein Fehler. Es ist fucking Sharon Stone da oben. Und dann habe ich den Moment, wo ich denke, Alter, das ist es. Du bist hier. Mach das Ding. Mach das Ding. Mach den Kerl.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Was denkt der Kerl über diese Person? Warum bist du hier? Und fuck dich in es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I know, but the moment where you think you fucked up a take and those first two takes, all I saw was an entire crew going like... They're not actually paying attention. Yeah, I know. But I was looking at every face going... And that's just narcissism, you know? I guess. It's helpful sometimes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I've really kind of taken my time doing that homework because hopefully I will be directing a film. Okay. Yes, kind of a joke, but kind of not, right? Kind of, right? I'm not enjoying this space for recording, but this is what it's going to be. So, yeah, I've been out here. I've been in the South. I've toured the South many times before. I've been down here a lot. I always have...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Aber an einem Punkt musst du glauben, dass du da bist, weil sie dich wollten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
No, I talked to him for like two hours. Why? Because something wasn't right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ja, aber was ist mit der Reputation von 1.000 Fotos?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And the shift from... Because a lot of actors don't have the stage experience you have. Yeah, helpful. Yeah, but how?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Well, when I'm on set, it's just a natural thing for me to go, how's it going? You know, like I don't... Like, and then you're working with actors who are like... Oh, the whisper ones?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But the sort of shift from... Because you're still on stage in both situations.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Vollbild, ja. Oh, das ist interessant, weil er das über Tracy gesagt hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich bin in meinem Körper, ich liebe es nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Was passiert also außerhalb von White Lotus? Was passiert mit seinen drei Kindern? Ist das für etwas?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, I think it's down on the beach. Is it? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, everybody's going to try to talk about that in a heartfelt way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Also, wenn du diese Filme machst, wenn es ein Marvel-Film ist oder Ghostbusters, du siehst es und denkst dir, das wird Spaß machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Er ist gut. Er ist ein intensiver Typ. Ja, Jason ist wirklich speziell. Ich mag seine Filme.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Es gibt so Filme, die ich wieder und wieder sehen kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich finde, ich mache es jetzt mehr, um mein Gehirn aus der Scheiße zu halten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I get very engaged with movies. They fuck me up pretty hard. Because I think my lack of boundaries somehow or another... You're so permeable. Yeah, and so movies, like when I leave a movie, I'm like, that happened in my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I'm working on it. You are? Are you? Hostility, I think, helped.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I do a joke, a line that only people in Al-Anon get about. I gotta decide whether I want to put it in the special, because it's all about boundaries. Das ist wirklich dieses ganze Verhältnis, das wirklich schrecklich war. Und sie hat mentale Probleme, ich habe mentale Probleme. Und es kam zu dem Punkt, wo, nachdem wir getrennt haben, sie einfach bei der Wohnung kam. Oh nein, das ist nicht gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I always end up being paranoid and wondering about how I'll be received or what the people are like down here. And generally in the past, I've come away thinking like, well, those crowds were great and everybody seemed real nice and I had a nice time seeing everybody and, you know, I had no problems.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und, du weißt, es ist ein bisschen intensiv. Ja. Und ich sagte, die Wahrheit ist, ich sagte, ich musste einen Verstärkungsantrag nehmen. Und ich möchte das nicht sagen. Aber was ich nicht mehr sagen möchte, ist der Grund, dass... You couldn't set the boundary yourself? That's right. I didn't think she was going to hurt me. I was afraid I was going to get back together with her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
But I talk about going to a men's Al-Anon group out of panic. It's just me in a room with 200 alpha doormats. Ja, ja. Es ist so schön, diese Seite der Masculinität zu sehen. Oh, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Yeah, it's like it could have been a shorter story.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Tracy is really special. I know he's a really special guy. Nice talking to you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
There you go. A lot packed in to that conversation. White Lotus is streaming on Max with new episodes on Max and HBO on Sundays. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und wir spielen am 12.6. im Kino am Olympiasee. Sagt man am Olympiasee?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Oh, das wäre geil, so eine Tretbootshow. Und wir spielen am 12.6. am Kino im Olympiasee.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
This time, whether it's my mind or reality, not as comfortable, not as comfortable, though the crowds have been great. Truly great. I mean, Asheville at the Orange Peel was spectacular. I love the people of Asheville. I saw my buddy Stan and Lori. They got a house over there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und wir spielen am 12.06. im Kino am Olympiasee in Zusammenarbeit mit unserem Partner Backmarket eine Live-Show, unser allererstes Open Air.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
All right, gang. On Thursday, I tried to get some answers about the state of our brains in this modern media and information environment. My guest will be Chris Hayes, who just wrote a book about all of this called The Siren's Call.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
You're gonna get real needy around the people in your life. You're going to start annoying your loved ones. They're like, why do you like this? I'm like, I'm just taking a break from my phone. And you've got to somehow match that, the amount I get out of the phone. Can you do that? Please entertain me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And I took a ride down where the floods were and kind of addressed, you know, the fires and talked about natural disasters with the audience. But the place was packed and it's always it's still it's a sweet town and it seems to be bouncing back. And my people came out because they are there. It is a kind of blue dot, as they call them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I'm a little bit concerned with the blue dots being erased somehow. But then again, I'm concerned about all of us being erased somehow, at least in our ability to speak and organize publicly. And then after Asheville, Ali Makovsky and I, my opener, drove to Nashville. That was quite a ride. quite a ride. I'd never taken that ride through the Blue Mountains, through Appalachia.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Is that how you say it? I used to say Appalachia, but I think it's Appalachia. And it's beautiful in a very kind of rugged way, but the nature is beautiful. The small towns are a little beat up, but picturesque, and you can make assumptions about the history there, or you can make assumptions about whatever's happening now. But I do know one thing I know that this is
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Whatever this part of America is, however you want to refer to it, a flyover state or the south or whatever, or rural America. And I understand that's what a lot of the country looks like. But I do not guess I understand why they're so worked up about the foundations of democracy functioning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
They live, it seems, fairly isolated lives, and I think that, you know, they just fill their brains with garbage. And as I moved through this tour, I've been down here five days in the South and moving through the South, it's felt like a month, and it weighs heavy on me that, you know, that I like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
living in a large city and i know that on some levels to the people that live in these other places where the enemy we live in a bubble but our our bubble may be a very large bubble in terms of the scope and size of the city but it is you know a functioning democratic bubble in a lot of ways because the city i live in is very well integrated and there's all kinds of people there thousands of them
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und ich finde das komfortabel und menschlich und tolerant und all die Dinge, die auf dem Menü für, weißt du, auszuhalten. And it's really not about an arrogance or an elitism or anything else. It's just I like being around a lot of different kinds of people who have different paths, different backgrounds, different ethnicities, different approaches to life and food and everything else.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
It just seems to be a celebration of humanity. We're out here, I don't know. It's pretty one-dimensional in a lot of ways. And I just think a lot of the fury is stoked by misinformation that they get from the thing that they hold in their hand or else from the thing that they watch. I don't know, but it's weighing heavy on me this trip, moving through these areas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Oh, another high point of the trip. Another high point of the trip. I had done a tour with Ali before and we had driven by a Buc-ee's, I think somewhere on the coast of California. And she goes, have you been to Buc-ee's? And I'm like, I have not been to Buc-ee's. And she goes, you gotta go to Buc-ee's, but we'd already passed it. And I'm like, all right, someday I'll go to Buc-ee's.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und wir waren in, ich glaube, wir fahren von vielleicht Asheville nach Nashville. Und es gab ein Zeichen für Bucky's. Und sie sagte, wir müssen gehen. Und ich bin so, es ist ein Truckstopp, richtig? Sie sagt, nein, es ist ihr eigenes Ding. Es ist ein Truckstopp. Aber es ist wie die Walmart von Truckstops. Ich habe nie so etwas gesehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und ich bin froh, dass ich zu Buc-E's gegangen bin, weil es ist wie in Amerika, wo du nicht wohnst, wenn du auf der Straße oder in einer Stadt lebst. Es ist etwas. Buc-E's, das Logo ist ein Biber. Er ist ein kleiner Biber, ein kleiner Biber. Und dieser Truckstop ist groß. Sie haben alle Dinge, die ein Truckstop hat, aber viel mehr. Ich kann es nicht mal beschreiben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Ich stand vor dem Wall of Jerky. There's an entire wall of packaged jerky. I'm talking a wall, a wall of jerky, which would be a good name for an album or perhaps a band. So there's a wall of jerky and then they have sort of a butcher shop set up with some meats, but mostly jerky. In the case. All kinds of jerky.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
And then there's a food station in the middle where they make brisket sandwiches, egg sandwiches. And people love the brisket. Huge food court within... Die Buckeys, okay? Und auf der Wand von Jerky gibt es die faith-based Boutique, so würde ich es nennen, mit, weißt du, ein paar christlich-orientierte, lustige T-Shirts. Und dann haben sie die Buckeys-T-Shirts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Und dann haben sie die Kaffeestation. Und dann haben sie, weißt du, andere Kleidung. Und dann haben sie, weißt du, den Zigarettenkauf. Und es ist... If you want to shrink a Walmart a little bit and make it everything that a truck stop has, but much more. Das sind die Buckeys. Und du hast einen Sinn.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
Wiederum, damals, wenn ich in den Süden gegangen wäre, hätte ich gedacht, guck mal, all diese Leute reisen nur. Sie sind nur schöne Leute. Aber es ist sehr schwer, meinen Sinn zu separieren, warum dieses Land in die Richtung geht, von den Leuten, die mit mir stehen, vor der Jerky-Wall. But again, I don't want to be judgmental or divisive. But I think it's too late.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1620 - Carrie Coon
I think we are divided and heavily judging each other. And the victors are going to eliminate our ability to judge publicly. I'm just talking. Just talking. That's all. Just chatting. So look, Carrie Coon is my guest today. And it was exciting to have the conversation with her that I had. She's on season three of White Lotus with new episodes airing Sunday nights on HBO. You can stream it on Max.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ja, ja. Und jetzt haben alle, ich habe mich ein paar gekauft. Ich bin so, bin ich jetzt so alt? Ist das der Turn, den du nimmst? Diese sind nicht die. Nein. Nein, nein, du bist wie ein Tom Cruise Aviator. Ja, das sind Aviate, aber die anderen, die ich habe, sind nur dünne Hornräume und es ist noch nicht ganz richtig. Ich muss noch ein paar Jahre warten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Also, deine Mutter will, ist sie performen? Gehst du in die Stadt? Sieht sie Broadway-Schläge?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ich weiß nicht, ob es für einige Menschen jemals passieren wird, auch wenn sie alles haben. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
But that's happening on all levels right now. I don't know if it's my brain or if it's real, but... I don't know what happens during this time. This is a weird few weeks. The sort of Christmas to New Year's, even just post Thanksgiving. It gets me into a zone. I don't know if it's pensive or thoughtful or depressed.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Now I'm going to go with pensive and thoughtful, which at times can feel like depression, depending on what you're being pensive and thoughtful about. But everything just sort of changes and slows down. And the air feels heavy. The weight of the atmosphere kind of feels heavy. But I like it. There's a poetry to it all. And I'm going to go out and sit in New Mexico and feel that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I wouldn't have to work. But did you feel at that time like were you involved with with comedy in any way? Was there things coming through the campus?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
But was like Krasner around doing the realist and that kind of stuff? Yes, he was. They were in San Francisco.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
And you were aware of that stuff? Yes, absolutely. Because it seemed like there was a time like, you know, post Lenny Bruce, where comedians, not unlike the rest of the country, were starting to adapt to the new world of free thinking.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I still love it. Did you go, were you out looking at the Second City people?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Be pensive and thoughtful, but not depressed. I'm gonna reframe that. It's not depression, goddammit. Today on the show is Bruce Valanche. I guess he's best known as a comedy writer. He's specifically the guy who was the head writer for the Academy Awards. He was on Hollywood Squares a lot. He wrote for dozens of comedians and singers and variety shows.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Well, wait, Mr. Kelly's, though, like, were you, as a reporter, did you have to go watch all those shows? Did you go see, like, Dreesen and those guys? I did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Yeah, absolutely. And everybody came through there. I just went to, I was in Chicago doing a show last year, and there's a big exhibit about Mr. Kelly's.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
But see, like to me... Marianthal, that's what their name. Okay, but like to me, like even that... What you come out of... I can't be nostalgic for it, because I didn't live in it. But it just seemed like it was an entirely different vibe. It has to be not just generational, but just how... There was something special about things, I think, then.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Yeah, no, it's all... And also there was a time where that kind of like urban intellectual kind of held court, you know, everywhere. Yeah, I know. I mean, yeah, where Bob Newhart... And just Dick Cavett? There was a time where there was a full range of, it just show business was so, it just seemed smaller and more exciting. It was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Richtig. Aber die Fähigkeit für, ich glaube, kulturell, ob du es magst oder nicht, du hattest drei Optionen. Ja. Und... Auf TV, ja. So gab es eine Intimität dazu. Ja. If you didn't see it, okay, fine, but most people did. You know what I mean? So there was a communal element to it. Now you don't know what the fuck anyone's watching.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Es ist alles zerfragmentiert jetzt. Also bist du nach New York geflogen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
But I just remember him seemingly throughout my entire life as just this haircut and glasses. Es ist sehr spezifisch. Es ändert sich nicht. Er hatte sie, als er hier war. Aber es ist ein spezifischer Haarabdruck und Gläser. Ich weiß nicht, was man den Haarabdruck nennen würde. Es ist ein Mop-Top, blond, und er trägt normalerweise sehr rosa Gläser.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
He was one of the first guys I saw as a kid. My parents took me to see Jackie Vernon when I was like 11 in Albuquerque at the Hilton Hotel Lounge. It changed my life. He was so deadpan and perfect.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
gekommen bin. Aber mit Bette, ich meine, hast du dich, hast du dich, was war die Beziehung?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Aber er ist ein sehr lustiger Kerl in einer sehr alten Art und Weise. Und er ist seit vielen Jahren da. Und er hat viele tolle Geschichten über die Evolution der Welt. from writing for club entertainers and then into variety shows and then into writing for comics and writing for the Oscars. Old time stuff and it's great. I love talking to these guys because it's a different time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
So you cut your teeth on doing topical humor for Bette Midler, who, to me in my mind, because I don't know the story that you just told me, was always just a firecracker of jokes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ja, wirklich. So, okay, so then you get set up with the Manhattan Transfer. Yeah. And then that becomes, so this is like sort of a heightened, what's the word, cabaret show, right? The Transfer. Wouldn't that be the sort of umbrella of what, didn't she kind of take cabaret to a different place?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
It was a different time when show business and comedy was innately Jewish in its rhythm and in its practitioners and now it's hard to find a Jew around. I don't know where they're all going, but the entire sort of spectrum of comedy has gotten more diverse and eclectic and interesting. But it just seems as show business contracts, so does the sort of rhythm of the Jews of yore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Es war interpretativ. Sie hatten eine bestimmte Art und Weise, Musik zu bewegen, damit sie alles tun konnten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
So when you came out here with them, that began your relationship with the big time show business? Yes, as it were. Because you produced the show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ist das das, was es gemacht hat? Ja, weil ich denke, dass es einige seltsame, nostalgische Versuche bei Variety gab. Und ich denke, es wird wieder passieren. Ich denke, mein Freund Nate Bargatze macht ein Weihnachtsspezial. Ja, naja, es gibt die One-Offs, die die Leute machen können. But it was really a set thing. I mean, Flip Wilson, we used to watch Flip Wilson.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Es war fast so, als ob er die Form geblieben hätte. Genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
But I guess what it was is that whatever happened in the 60s was sort of appropriated by show business, by kind of doing their version of it with Sonny and Cher or Tony Orlando or Flip Wilson even. Because Carol Burnett was kind of old school, so they're still making references like Laugh-In used to be. Well, Smothers Brothers were at the top of the food chain.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
So now we're already like a little further into it and even the hip interpretation of what the kids want is dead.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
And then Saturday Night Live comes. So where do you go from Manhattan?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
My 2025 tour kicks off in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. I'm at the Napa Theater. Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. Fort Collins, Colorado. Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th. Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 16th. Santa Barbara, California. The Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
That was incredible. As time goes on, it turns out the Brady Bunch was kind of a pretty wild bunch of people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Das ist verrückt. Und dann das Stage Show, das in Chicago geschehen ist. Oh, die Parodie. And then the two movies... The parody was the straight scripts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
But how... What about Paul Lynn? Paul was... Albert Brooks hat mir eine Geschichte über Paul Lynn erzählt. Es war einfach zu lustig. Es war wie sein erster Moment in der Show-Business. Er war auf dem Set bei NBC oder CBS wahrscheinlich. Er ging in Paul Lynn. Er war ein Kind, Albert war. Und Pauline ist so wie, willst du nicht einfach im Bett liegen und dich irgendwann tot essen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
San Luis Obispo at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, February 30th. Yes. So, I'm just trying to... I'm coming down, man. I have to frame things properly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
So wie dieses sehr dunkle... Oh, hier war er.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Yeah, well, Gene's funny. Oh, he's great. So, wait, you worked with, who else? Lily Tomlin as well? I worked with Lily, I worked with Flip, George Carlin. When you say that, this is not for the Oscars, these are for when they're putting shows together? They're TV shows and they're live acts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
mit diesen Filmen mit verschiedenen Talenten und als Lüfter, konntest du die Stimme der Leute bekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
As far as we know. As far as we know. But I mean, but like, when you write for somebody that does long-form stuff, like working with Lily Tomlin or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
So Lily as Lily at that time, even when she wasn't doing characters, was in herself a character.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
And you just get a call when they're doing a TV show?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ich habe gar keine Landlinie. Ich erinnere mich, dass es ein großes Problem war, keine Landlinie zu haben. Ich hatte nur eine Landlinie, weil es alte Leute war. Du musst eine Landlinie haben. Was, wenn du die Polizei nennen musst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ja, ich war in der Stadt damals. Ich war in der Sunset Tower Hotel für irgendeinen Grund, als das passiert ist. Es war ziemlich verrückt. Es war ein sehr lustiger Moment. Ich war da für Comedy Central oder so. Ich war im Hotel. Es war in der Mitte der Nacht. Ich habe einen Mann kennengelernt. Vorher war da viel Show-Business.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ich habe einen Mann kennengelernt, der ein Co-Kreator von Beavis und Butt-Head war. Oh, wow. Wir standen alle draußen. Es gab einen Erkrankung. Man sah die Power-Stationen schlagen. Ja. Und wir sind alle auf einem Auto, einem Lexus, weil wir die Radio aufnehmen konnten. Das war der einzige Weg, um News zu bekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Und ich stehe da mit diesem Mann, John, ich glaube, sein Name war, der der Kreator von Beavis and Buddies war. Er schaut über den verletzten, verletzten Horizont. Und er sagt, ich kann nicht helfen, aber ich denke, das ist irgendwie meine Schuld.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Unleashing Beavis and Butthead on the world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
That was my judge who wrote that, but he must have produced it. So when you write for, like, well, Billy's got to be easy, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I don't know if you have that issue, but if I have a little bit of free time, I'm going to think I'm not doing enough or I'm not good at what I'm doing or that I'm over or that I'm not creative anymore. I have a full list of things I go to that I can use as bats to beat the shit out of myself when I have any sort of downtime. But the truth of the matter is, this last year...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Aber bevor du das tust, erzähl mir ein bisschen, was es sagt. Also, du warst ein Jokewriter für Hire. Ja, genau. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
All right, let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucksters? What the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. It's that time of year. I hope you're holding up. I hope everything's coming together. I hope you're getting into the mode, locked into the rhythm, locked into the vibe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Also es gab eine Liste von Leuten, ich weiß nicht, wer da sein würde, wo du vielleicht einfach einen Anruf bekommst, wie, hast du etwas an diesem Thema? Kannst du mir fünf Minuten an diesem Thema geben? Und du warst der Kerl. Ich war nicht der einzige Kerl, aber ich war ein Kerl.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
What a treat, man. Because as a stand-up, occasionally people, friends will give me a tag. But the one time that I actually did a show where I had joke writers to deliver jokes, it was kind of encouraging to know, I know how to deliver a joke. I didn't have to sweat over this one. Right. You just do it. Sure. It must be nice. Yeah. I think a lot of people have people helping them. Oh, I know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ja, es gab Leute, ich erinnere mich, als ich ein Dorfmann bei der Comedy-Store war, Jimmy Walker hatte ein Ding auf dem Bulletin-Board. Ich bezahle dir 50 Dollar. Wow. Gib ihm nur Lachen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I just have to see it in terms of whatever my goals were or whatever I wanted to do or saw in my life at some point that I would like to do and acknowledge what has happened, what went on this year. I had to put my tour on hold a while back. Ja, genau. And it's not that comedy took a backseat or just was that I wasn't doing it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I think, yeah, I mean, there used to be people, they'd solicit for jokes for the Tonight Show. Like from, you could send in jokes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ja, genau. Sie waren alle länger, als du dich erinnerst. Ich habe die DVDs von Dick Cavett gesehen. Ich dachte, wow, das ist ein Schlag. Ja. So brillant wie dieser Typ war, war er nicht im Publikum. Nein, gar nicht. Einige waren es. Sie spielten mit sich. Es war interessant, wie viel Todesruhe es auf Filmen gibt, die wir als mythisch verstehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Du siehst ein paar Carsons und denkst dir, oh mein Gott, wann kommt das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Hast du mit Rodney gesessen und geschrieben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I was already laughing. I just think, I mean, everyone knows Rodney, but as a comic, he's just, I don't think he gets put up there as one of the best enough. Because I really think he was one of the best. He was like the whole package. And there were moments, some of the greatest moments watching him on Carson is when he runs out of jokes. And you realize he's incapable of talking. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
He's not Rickles. No. Once he's out, he's like, he can't talk because he's so fucking depressed. That's right. Exactly. You don't want to know about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was unbelievable. You don't want to know. Yeah, well, Rickles on the other side of that. Half the time, Rickles wasn't funny. It was just the momentum. Yeah, right, exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
So how does the relationship with the Oscars start?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ja, ein Ex von mir arbeitete bei Beachwike. Mit den Hats.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Billy had hosted four Grammy shows. And you had worked with him before? Yeah. In terms of writing it, do you put a staff together?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I was, but I wasn't doing it compulsively and constantly like I always do. But I was doing this other thing. And I just got back from New York after shooting that that part in the Bruce Springsteen movie. I got to say, it was really kind of great having a bit of an in with the boss.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Denn ich kenne Leute, meine Kollegen, die schon eine Woche oder zwei vorher geschrieben haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Well, I mean, it seemed like, you know, I felt bad for her because I love her. Yeah, she's wonderful. And it just seemed like he wasn't willing, he wasn't game.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Weil sie so großartig ist, wenn du jemanden hättest, der Schauspieler war, wäre es toll gewesen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Du musst also wie Letterman, wirklich starke Dinge bauen. Genau. Yeah, I mean, I just, like, I grew to appreciate the fact that, you know, if we're going to honor show business, then get the guys that love it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
And also, again, as time went on and some of the older generation aged out, the sense of community dissipated with the Oscars. You know, like there was a time where, you know, when you still had like, you know, Nicholson sitting there or even older guys, you know, Jimmy Stewart or whoever were around. You kind of felt there was a history to the thing and that there was a community to the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
because I interviewed him to sort of come out of the set and if I felt like it or if I felt like it was okay to sit down next to Bruce Springsteen and chit-chat. I want to say again what an amazing experience that was because you look at the scope of that guy's work as an artist and he is a real artist and to just hang out with him as a person, as an older person and just kind of Be in the light.
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Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
And now, like, I don't even know who the fuck's there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I guess that's a double-edged sword in that that kind of evolution is necessary. And inclusiveness is necessary. And those movies are great movies. But I guess it speaks more to the diminishing Ja, genau. Das ist nicht Teil eines alten Hollywood-Sets. Das ist vorbei.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Ich glaube, es ist nicht schlecht, dass es vorbei ist, aber ich glaube, weil ich von einer Zeit bin, wo ich, da ist eine Teil von mir, die das verpasst, aber ich bin auch, ich bin beeindruckt, wenn sie, äh, du weißt, auf der Seite Filme, die wirklich großartig sind. Ja. Und ich denke, dass die Todesgeschichte der Hollywood-Bildung nicht schrecklich ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
But it also speaks to the community of voters. Thank God they expanded it, because it was like a bunch of old Jews and a lot of out-of-work people. Yes. And they would just vote on familiarity, like, oh, I know that person. I didn't see the thing, but I like her. I like her. Yeah, that's it. So when did, like, in looking back at the Oscars, who was your favorite host when you were working there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Hast du mit ihnen auf Comic Relief gearbeitet? Ja, ich habe 15 mit ihnen gearbeitet. Und Robin war etwas. Robin war spektakulär. Ich finde, Kimmel hat einen guten Job gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Part of the reason is because they've all been on his show. Sure, that's great. Yeah, but also it's very funny that, you know, you gotta know, it's good to know the people. Yeah, exactly. When did you become, like, active in terms of gay activism? Es scheint so zu sein, dass du nie rausgekommen bist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
The dark light of Bruce Springsteen was quite something. So, the meat. Look, I feel okay. You know, I feel alright. The vegan thing has been going on almost two years. And I don't know, I saw some reel on Instagram of some Armenian ghost kitchen that was doing some sort of brisket that looked like some kind of Armenian pastrami.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Yeah, and they have traction now. They have traction. Yeah. So, you wrote the book. That's coming out. And then you're doing a podcast. You're going to be among the Yammerers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
That seems to be a pretty good model if someone's got a big catalog and you can wrap a show around it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Sure enough, it was some form of fucking barbecue that was going to make me start thinking, man, that's going to be what I eat when I eat the meat. But I pulled back from it. Let's talk to funny guy. Let's have some fun. So, happy holidays. And I'm excited to share this conversation with you. Bruce Valanche has a new podcast called Oscars. What were they thinking?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
That's what makes the impact, that's what makes the impression.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Well, what's the general consensus? How did that happen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Well, that was that one case. But generally speaking, why do these
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Well, that sounds interesting. So it's a series.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Well, it was great talking to you, Bruce. What a treat. Thank you. Thank you. I am a fan. There you go. That was great. Bette Midler. Huh? How often do we get to talk about Bette Midler? So, Bruce's new podcast is called Oscars. What were they thinking? It's everywhere you can get podcasts. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Hey, if you want some holiday themed WTF material, you can listen to episode 875, The Shows of Christmas Past. That's a compilation episode of some holiday moments from the early years of the show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Again, that's Episode 875, The Shows of Christmas Past. To subscribe to WTF+, so you can get every episode of WTF ad-free, go to the link in the episode description and go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. This guitar piece took me a long time, oddly, to put together. And I don't love the sound.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I'm insisting on going straight in, but it doesn't give me the sustain I want. I don't know why I don't just surrender to the pedals. Surrender to the pedals. But I do understand more why Jimmy Page sounds like he sounds like. If you go straight into a Fender Champ, it's going to be clunky. I didn't do that. It's not into a champ. This was into a deluxe. Doesn't matter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Which you can get on all podcast platforms. He's a real deal. Funny guy, comedy writer. A lot of experience, a lot of stories. This is me talking to Bruce Valanche.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Look, I'm just talking the minor guitar nerd shit that I know from my experience. Let me just play this. Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Well, how are you adapting to the world? How's the slow adaptation? I got rid of my fins. But it gets to a point, right, where you just sort of like, you live the life you live and fuck it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
You can buy your way in business. I thought about that, not that I necessarily have the money, but I don't know anyone in fucking Portugal. I don't speak the language. I don't even know what they eat there. So the amount of loneliness available for me in Portugal is relative to the amount of discomfort I'll feel in authoritarianism. I'll take our TV stations. I'll take the streaming.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Isn't that interesting, though, that, you know, there are certain groups, I guess you would call them marginalized groups, that have built their entire communities on resistance. So the idea of locking into a more active resistance is, you would think, muscle memory.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
If you have a family, I hope all the gifts are coming together. I hope you're fortifying your brain and buttressing yourself for what's to come. I hope you've got your lies in order. Ja, genau. Why is everything so slow? What's happening out there? Why am I not... What is going on? Is everyone okay? How come no one's texting me or calling me or including me in the thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Exactly. But do you sense like, you know, when you're coming over, you know, I'm 61. So somehow or another, your head... has been familiar to me my entire life. Wow. One place or the other. You know, mostly on television. Of course. That's what I tell people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I just remember Paul Lynn in that square from when I was a kid. It just seemed... I guess what I want to talk to you about, it seemed like when I was a kid, and I don't know if it was relative to me being a kid, that show business was a fun little town. That young people seemed to know each other. And these guys, the people that you saw in show business, even on the roasts then. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Sie lebten alle in der Mitte von einander und wir wussten alle, wer sie waren. Das ist wahr. Es war ein viel kleinerer Universum. Ich erinnere mich an einige der Shows, die du geschrieben hast, wie Sunny & Cher. Ja. Hast du für Tony Orlando geschrieben? Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
That got me to L.A. Okay, so let's go back then. So where did you grow up? Patterson, New Jersey. I know Patterson. You do? Sure. I grew up in, my grandmother lived in Pompton Lakes. Oh, that's right. Yes, it was very rural when I was growing up. One of the first of the suburbs. Right, that's where my mother came from. So my grandmother would go to Patterson for some specific Jewish something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
I don't remember what. A lot. Yeah, there was a place, maybe fish. My Bar Mitzvah maybe, it could have been. Temple Emanuel. Yeah. Aber Patterson hat eine gute Geschichte. William Carlos Williams, ein paar Boxer, richtig?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Dein Vater? Deine Mutter? Das war mein eigener.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Es scheint ein sehr praktisches Level von Doktoren zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1602 - Bruce Vilanch
Have you noticed that aging Jewish men, as they age, their glasses get bigger?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Just to have that conversation again this week. Alright, so look. Lisa Trager, this was great. It was a great comic talk. It was a great funny talk. I love her. Her Netflix series, Survival of the Thickest, is now streaming. She's got a special on Netflix called Night Owl. This is me talking to Lisa Trager.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Deine Katze ist 17. Ja. Ja, das ist ungefähr die Zeit, wo sie startet zu sterben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Nein, in Chicago, in den Städten, in Skokie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Was there a family outing when the KKK came?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I wonder, like, because when you go into a place for a night, I had no sense of anything there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, is it just a suburb? Well, it's the biggest village in the world. The biggest village.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I watched some of her specials and I was like, holy fuck, why am I not talking to this person? She's hilarious. She has a special on Netflix called Lisa Traeger, Night Owl. She's also on the Netflix series Survival of the Thickest. But it's funny, I've done a couple of these interviews lately with these kind of bombastic Jewish female comedians and they just kill me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, also waren sie Teil davon, wie die Juden gehen? Wie die Eltern von Eugene Mermin aus?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
He didn't want to connect on the Jewish expulsion from Russia to parents? No, he didn't. But how did that work? Do you know how it worked?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ist es seine eigene Sache oder ist es mehr wie Polnisch oder ist es mehr wie...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, so he's 40, which is no youngster. No. Yeah. And do they still speak Russian? Only.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Actually, Jessica Curzon will be on Thursday's show. So it's a big week. Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 I'm at the Vermont Comedy Club for two shows on Monday, May 5th, and one show on Tuesday, May 6th. Portsmouth, New Hampshire, I'll be at the Music Hall on Wednesday, May 7th, and then I'm in Brooklyn for my HBO special taping at the Bam Harvey Theater on May 10th. Two shows there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, it's a wild day. I can't even wrap my brain around another language.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ich glaube es nicht. Ja, aber du hast es einfach erwachsen, aber dein Englisch ist so gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
TV-Movies. Aber so Skokie, wann hast du Skokie verlassen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So you've been at it a pretty long time. I feel bad because I used to see you at the store, but I never registered.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Now I gotta guess who it is. I know. Is it Mike Birbiglia?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
He just texted me, like, I've been like that with that guy for so many years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, and I've always kind of, I've said that. But like, look, he's, you know, his craft is in place. I mean, he can do it. But he's just sort of like, oh, I'm just a dumb doughy guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I never understood comics that somehow land on a character. I imagine we all have a stage persona, but you're pretty much yourself. I'm pretty much myself. I think people that somehow figure out some kind of functional clown's mask for themselves might do better. But I've spent all these years just trying to be me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But just the idea that you have this thing and everything's so deliberate when you're a weirdo.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, I mean like, right, but not jokes, but you write your ideas down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, no, it was funny. It was a funny special.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Was meinst du? Für mich, ich mache ein Special im Mai für HBO. Und ich arbeite diese Sets, weil ich nur eine bestimmte Menge Zeit bekomme. Also 60 Minuten oder 70 Minuten. Und als ich älter wurde, ich habe es immer mehr so gemacht wie du, wie bei ThinkyPain, das war so eine Stunde und eine halbe. Ich hatte keine Bücher, ich wusste nicht, wohin ich gehen sollte. Und die Leute lieben das Spezielle.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Aber dann bin ich verrückt bei Leuten wie Birbiglia und so. Ich bin verrückt, weil sie diese Dinge strukturieren und sie haben diese Anrufe. Und ich bin so, jeder denkt, eine Anrufe ist fucking genius. Na, ich kann das machen. So dann habe ich angefangen zu sagen, was ist eine Anrufe? Also geht jeder so, oh mein Gott, es ist von der anderen Lüge. And then I got into this structure zone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And then by the time you get to the special, you just fucking hate it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, I guess. Somebody does. I don't even know anymore.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Did you do yours for a place or did you do it on YouTube?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, because I can't, like, I don't have a YouTube presence. I'm not going to just self-produce. I'm old school. Like, pay me for the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, ich weiß nicht, ich bin immer noch ziemlich dünn, aber ich versuche es zu verletzen, aber es geht immer rein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Es ist wie, wir hatten... Es gibt viele seltsame-sehende Männer, und ihre YouTube-Kommentare sind Spick und Spann. Yeah, we used to have a comment component on our site, and we took it down. Because any woman that would come on, it was just sort of like, they come out on purpose.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I don't, as I get older, I just don't, I don't understand people. I think the best, and it's just not true. It's not true. People are shitty and they're stupid.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Had something odd happen to me the other day, kind of. Odd and retro at the same time. You know, we do this bonus material and we did an Ask Mark Anything and you know, people send in questions and I answer them. And somebody asked me, what are my favorite Lynyrd Skynyrd deep cuts? Someone's been listening.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Nein, ich respondiere nicht dazu. Und Dinge, die direkt über dich sind, wie auf YouTube, respondierst du nicht dazu?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I don't think they really like women. And it's fucking monstrous. I never understand who sits there and makes a decision, even if it's to fucking just tweet like, eh. It's like, what the fuck? Why is that an impulse?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So when you're growing up, are you living in a funny world? I mean, the stuff you talk about in your special about your dad seems crazy. Yeah, I... But not like, you know, like dangerous crazy, just sort of... Just immigrant stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, that's a problem. He just doesn't, he... So that's, well, that's why, probably one of the reasons you became a comedian, is because when you have embarrassing parents, it's like, you just have to learn how to suck it up and...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Wirklich? Hast du ein bisschen darüber gesprochen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Das sind die gleichen Leute, die Kommentare machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Das ist eine andere Form von dem, was auf den Kommentaren passiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Und jetzt hast du einen dünneren Mund als jeder von ihnen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So you're wearing shoulder pads and the whole thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I have this weird thing where I guess I have a fairly broad personality in some ways. I mean, you can pigeonhole me. Cranky guy or neurotic guy or angry guy. Whatever box you want to put me in, you can put me in there. But those of you who listen to this know that it's a pretty big fucking box. And there's not much of a lid on it. And, you know, there were periods in my life that were kind of...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Nur um zu verspüren? Um mit Sachen wegzukommen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
That's the thing. Usually it's like, you know, loud environments or eating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Also sind es viele Leute da draußen, die sagen, wir hatten diesen verdammten Blödsinn als Freundin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, ich kann nicht glauben, dass du sie nicht gefunden hast. Nein, ich habe sie nicht gefunden. Ich sollte sie finden. Waren es Momente, in denen diese Dinge waren, wie, war es irgendein Art von, war es eine Bildung dieser Momente, die dich geholfen hat, um Hilfe zu suchen? Oder war es eine signifikante, in der du warst, oh Gott.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Do I want the word anachronistic? But I don't think they're unlike some other people. You know, because of my proximity to the college when I was growing up and working at a restaurant across from the college and because of my fundamentally kind of New Mexico towny upbringing, you know, I've got many worlds in me. You know, I've got Leonard Skinner and I've got Brian Eno.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And I haven't had one. I don't know if I ever had one. Obsessional anxiety. Ich mag es. Was bedeutet das? I'm full of dread most of the time. The jokes I'm doing about it on stage is like, people talk about having any sort of resting mind. I'm not capable of it. Because if my mind has any moment of rest, it's just sort of like, should we open up the worry folder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And it's not even things that are rational. I mean, sure, they could happen. But it's just, my brain's constantly occupied with possibilities That caused me, you know, dread and anxiety and all kinds of shitty stuff. Catastrophic thinking is very intrusive. And it's gotten worse. I've always been that way. But I always thought it was practical. You know, why not think of the worst fucking thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And just turning it around in your head? It's fucking nuts. I mean, I've got other problems. You know, intimacy, trust. I get a little, I don't know. Do you have that thing where if you have a friend, they're like your friend, you're the only one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And they both exist and they both bring me a tremendous amount of joy. I can go from Brian Eno to a Leonard Skinner-pronounced Just in the flick of a switch and be just as excited. I can go from Mingus right into ACDC PowerEdge. No problem. No problem. Doesn't require a big shift for me. I just have many, I have multitudes. What is it? See, I got Whitman in me too somewhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So if my feelings are hurt or I'm like, so why didn't you call me back or whatever, I just had to go through two thoughts. I'd have the feeling and I'd be like, it's a little unreasonable. And I'd just have to sit with it until it goes away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Because you can just re-enter, you can leave your apartment or a bar or whatever, and you're just part of this huge social fucking shit show. Here, everything happens in these isolated things, so it becomes very apparent.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
We're adults. You say that in your special, too. You just said it about Mike, too. Are we adults? Is that something you have to tell yourself? Um...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh my God. How many decades? I'm six decades in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I know. I start to notice it in my jokes. Like when all of a sudden you do these jokes, you're like, I'm just rephrasing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I think some things have for me, I think. I don't know, man. It's annoying because I feel like I'm running out of time. And it's like, am I going to resolve this shit? Am I going to figure out how to have a grown-up, relatively emotionally healthy relationship?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ich weiß nicht, ich habe mich ein bisschen mehr isoliert. Ich erkenne, dass ich nicht mehr in fast alles eingeladen bin. Niemand, niemand anruft mich zu einem Seder. Ich habe keine Reihe von Comic-Frienden, die sagen, hey, lass uns Maron anrufen. Niemand sagt das in einer Gruppensituation. Was? Wirklich? Lass uns Maron anrufen. Ich denke fast, es ist wie wenn jemand sagt, sollen wir Maron anrufen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Und jeder andere sagt, ich weiß nicht, er ist ein bisschen intensiv. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But I have talked so much shit. I've gotten myself into trouble talking shit. Me too. You have? Yeah, of course. Because like then it's like you talk shit, someone hears you talk shit about them or someone, you know, likes the person. It just becomes and then you have these, you don't know who is looking at you like you talk some shit about them. Like it was like it's fucking crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Occasionally millennial invite me to things. Okay. But I really am starting to believe that I've become this kind of like old eccentric of some sort with a particular, the particular social vibe that certain people understand. I mean, there are people that know me and get me. Some people think, well, he's like a smug asshole or he's angry or, you know, he's kind of a.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, ich bin Freunde mit vielen Leuten, die sagen, sie waren enttäuscht oder Angst vor mir zu haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Someone asked me also about my favorite poem. I should have thrown this one in there. I chose... William Carlos Williams, The Red Wheelbarrow. Because that one's succinct. That's the one I go back to in my head. But Song of Myself. Come on, Whitman. Here's the line. Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. That's right, man. I can do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Well, I mean, you're intimidating just because we're loud and emotional and, you know, we say what's on our mind. Yeah. And most people don't. But then also now I'm thinking about it, like, I don't always do that in relationships. Sometimes I just shut up, shut up and take it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, ich war heute nur beim Vet. Und, du weißt, der Typ aus der Weißen Lotus kam.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah. And he's like an interesting guy. Yeah. And like some days I feel like, well, I'm enough of a known entity in show business on some level. Yeah. I've talked to several people on that show. Have there been several? Yeah. Two at least. Three. I've talked to Mike White. I've talked to Parker. I've talked to Kerry. I've talked to Walton. You know, like... Whatever, it doesn't matter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I certainly don't have an inflated sense of myself in the business, but I'm not nobody. And this guy walks into the vet and I see him, I'm like, hey, great job on that show. And he's like, thanks. And he walks by me and I'm like, all right. And I walk up to him and I did the thing like, I'm Mark Maron. And he goes, yeah, John, I think his name's John. And that was it. And then he walked away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And there was part of me that's like, what the fuck? Und ich musste die Idee kämpfen. Ich hatte die Gedanken, die durch meinen Kopf fliegen. Ich kann ihm sagen, oh, ich habe einen Podcast. Ich habe mit Carrie und allem anderen gesprochen. Und ich bin so, jeder hat einen jetzt. Wollen Sie ihn einfach aufhören? Vielleicht ist sein Hund in Angst. Du warst im Vordergrund.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, nicht so viel. Aber es war einfach so, dass ich mich verletze, wenn jemand mich nicht kennt. Und ich bin nicht wütend an ihm. Aber ich muss... Es war nicht mal verletzbar. Sein Hund könnte gestorben haben. Ich weiß nicht, warum er im Bett war. Weißt du, was ich meine? Aber ich sitze hier und sage, was ich meine. Weißt du, was ich meine? Er sollte mich kennenlernen oder was auch immer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Und ich muss durch dieses ganze Ding in meinem Kopf gehen. Es ist wie, lass es gehen, Alter. Aber es ist ein Prozess. Es ist nicht natürlich. Zu was? Um zu kommen, wo ich sage, er hat mich nicht enttäuscht. Es ist wie, es ist fast wie, ähm, gelernt Empathie. Du weißt nicht, was er durchgeht. Du weißt nicht, warum er bei der Vet ist. Du weißt nicht, warum er dich kennen sollte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Er scheint wie ein seltsamer Kerl. Er könnte nicht mal auf den Podcast hören. Wer macht das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ich glaube, ich habe ihn seit Napoleon Dynamite nicht gesehen. Ich habe ihn seit Jahrhunderten nicht gesehen. Und er ist auf White Lotus gekommen und er ist gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Skinner and Eno. Equal space. Equal space. But anyway, my point was being that we had another one of these horrendous school shootings and actually a fan of mine's daughter was there and I got a DM through Instagram and it's fucking horrendous that they continue to happen and the only reaction from the political forces in control ist, dass diese Dinge passieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
It seems like all they want to talk about is White Lotus right now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Das Performance war ziemlich erstaunlich. Es gibt viele gute Performances. Viele gute Facial-Stuffe. Wie viele Male hast du in den Städten verlassen, weil du so eine Messe gemacht hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Richtig. So, when you get arrested twice and you're sent home from college, like, your parents, did they, was... They were happy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But it just seems like as far as like a template for the things you're interested in, it seems like a hair salon.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
You should do a TV show of hair salon based.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Menschen töten Menschen, nicht Waffen. Und die Logik davon ist verrückt und zerstörernd. But this argument's been going on. It shouldn't even be an argument, but this position has been going on forever, no matter how many kids die. And it's fucking heinous. And it's like a perfect example of the disease that is killing America.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
It's so funny when you have an idea, you're like, this is an amazing idea. And then they're like, well, what are the episodes going to be? You know, it's just...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Butterfly is a hard one. For 100? It's pretty good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
The ones that can get their hands up out of the water. It's so hard. I know, you really gotta get it. I swam when I was a kid.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Competitively, yeah. What was your stroke? I think I was pretty good at breaststroke. My feet wouldn't flex. Ich konnte es nicht. Ich kann es nicht machen. No, we were in the kind of independent swim club circuit. I think we were on the Elks Club team and then one summer and then we were on the University Swim Club. What else did you do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I don't think I liked it because it was just so long and so boring and everyone's running around in bathing suits. I think the best time... The best moment in swimming for me was one time when we were at the university swim club and it was during practice. And in the sort of shallow pool, there was like a special needs situation going on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And like at some point during practice, a guy with Down syndrome came out of the men's locker room just totally naked. And there was a little... Ich dachte, das wäre das Beste. Das war das Beste. Ich habe nie viel gewonnen. Weißt du, was ich meine? Ich habe mich verarscht. Ich konnte nicht backstroken. Ich konnte es nicht machen. Und ich habe immer gedreht, um zu sehen, ob die Wand kommt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Es war schlecht. Es war schlecht. Ich habe es genossen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
She's the best. Oh, that's so funny. That makes sense. You guys should do a team thing together.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, wirklich? Ja. Und so hast du das gleiche Tempo oder so? Nein. Did you go to temple?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But the odd thing is, so I'm listening to, someone sent me a song list of the Skinner songs. that I chose, and one of them was Saturday Night Special. And it's on the album Nothing Fancy. And it's about a 38 Special. It's about a gun. And it's really... An Anti-Gun-Song. It's about a handgun, the 38th Special. And there's several stories within it about people getting shot with them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So when you start doing comedy, what made you think you could do that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, right. So you mean Second City, the improv situation?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah. And who was around? Like, do you have a class? No. Of people?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But like, who were the pros that were around them?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, the old movie theater. Oh, yeah. With Janine?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Chris, what's his name? Who's the guy that ran that place? Chris Ritter. Yes, Ritter. Chris Ritter. Because then he booked the main stage. Oh, shit. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Aber er ist auch wie, äh, er ist wie ein kompulsive Jokewriter. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Like, that was a big moment for me. Yeah, I used to get them for very specific things. Like, he texts, like, do you do anything about masturbating in the Bible? No? No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, das ist eines der Dinge, die man lernt. Das ist eine Entwicklung an deiner Seite. Ja. Du kennst Atel. Ich kenne ihn seit 40 Jahren oder so. 35 Jahre.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Und er tut das zu mir. Du wirst Atel nach fünf Jahren sehen. Er wird sagen, was? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Okay, also dann bist du in Chicago und du findest es heraus?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So when did you move to New York? How much time did you have? Were you working?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And the chorus is Mr. Saturday Night Special got a barrel that's blue and cold. That ain't good for nothing but putting men six feet in a hole. So good lyric. But I would consider that an anti-gun position. by one of the seminal southern rock bands. And you kind of associate the south with, you know, the sort of cold dead hands thing. Can't take my gun away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Du bist nicht da, wo sie für dich sprechen können.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, I did it a couple of times, not for me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, yeah. You were the... The anchor. It was the least in your name.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja. Yeah. And that is what the fumes... And how did you... You can die from that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So I was having this moment where everything came together for me and I hadn't listened to the song in a while. Even when I chose it, I didn't think of it as an anti-gun anthem. But I listened to it again and I'm like, holy shit, this is an anti-gun song by some real rebel southern rock guys. And I was kind of like, wow, that was ballsy. Back then maybe, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah. I know somebody just died. You die in your sleep. Yeah, it's the silent killer. From heaters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Maybe you should find some year-long festival. Yeah. Well, that's kind of what New York is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And what was that transition like? Because you didn't stay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And now it doesn't even work like that anymore. It doesn't matter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, Ali opens for me all the time. She seems to be obsessed with it, too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
You would think so, that these guys of that ilk would do an anti-gun anthem. But what's very interesting is that at the end of the song, it kind of, so the last couple of verses, handguns are made for killing. They ain't no good for nothing else. And if you like to drink your whiskey, you might even shoot yourself. Heavy, right? But true.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja. Wenn ihr beide auf einem Show zusammen seid, wäre das verrückt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Ja, sie ist sehr, ihr seid beide sehr stark. Es ist ein sehr spezifischer Typ von Frauenenergie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Also, das ist eine abstrakte Frage, in Bezug auf das Zuschauen deines Spezials. Was denkst du über das, was denkst du, was mit dem Devil Wears Prada Sequel passieren wird?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, it's one of those movies where I don't know. I don't even know why I think it's a guilty pleasure. I don't think I seem like the kind of person that would like that movie. But I watch it all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah. What did I watch? I rewatch movies on flights all the time. I watch Burning Man. Man on Fire. Is that it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I wonder how it is. I don't know if I've heard good things. But I don't think I've heard anything. But the vibe is not great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I can't follow it. That would be hard. And I get like so unnerved.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And then the last verse is, before the chorus is, so why don't we dump them, people? Oh, oh, wow, I misread it. Oh, good. Well, that makes me feel better. Oh, my God. I had this big point and it doesn't even matter. The last verse is, so why don't we dump them, people, to the bottom of the sea before some old fool come around here and want to shoot either you or me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, that's good. Yeah, so fun. And how do your parents feel about your career?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, yeah. Well, that's good that she's, it's okay. It's not a dark story.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So it's good that. And what are you doing when you're out here? Anything?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Was it one of those sort of like, we'll give you this? Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah. And how long has it been up there for?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Do you have some way of landing? Not at all.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Oh, because I thought you were like, what am I going to do now? Where am I going?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, that's what I am now. It's like, you know, I don't know how many people listen anymore, but you should go over there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I want to be in the garage. We still got all our audience. Everything is all good. People like when I talk to comics.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
It's anti-gun all the way through. But I thought the last verse was, why don't we dump all people to the bottom of the sea? And I was like, holy shit, that's how deep that amendment runs. Is that the solution on the level of this band, of these representatives of the American South, is that why don't we get rid of all the people so the guns can live free of us? But I misread it. I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yeah, I've got this Apple series I did with Owen Wilson. That comes out in June. We did 10 of those. It's about golf.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
...which I know nothing about. I got a movie I did. I played the lead in this indie. I guess they're finishing up editing and stuff. They're going to try to get it in Toronto. I did a small, small part in that Bruce Springsteen movie with the two Jeremy's. Okay. Jeremy Allen White and Jeremy Strong. Nice. Did a little part in that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Not yet. Nope. I'm in The Bad Guys 2. Stop. Yeah, I was in the first one. I'm the snake.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Alright, good talking to you. Thanks. Yay. There you go. Fun, right? You can watch both seasons of Survival of the Thickest and her comedy special Night Owl on Netflix. Hang out for a second, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Should I even leave this in here? Oh my God. You know, sometimes song lyrics, you know, you think you hear one thing and it's not. Do you find yourself eating the same thing over and over again? You probably don't want to do that, but I get it. Life is a lot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But it seems like you must make yourself think about it every day.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I know. I was talking to my producer. He pulled up that ad that you did to not smoke in the theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
That's a good question about a lot of people that did those things. That's episode 1220 with John Waters and you can listen to that for free on whatever podcast platform you're using right now. To get every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by Acast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Here's some guitar. Yes, just, you know. Die Dinge, die ich spiele. Boomer lives. Monkey and the Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
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Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And then when you're ready to go live, use offer code WTF to save 10% off today. Yes, Squarespace. Let's do the show. Fuck! So great. I've met her a long time ago. I didn't really register her for a long time, but I knew she was around. And then I just saw her. It's one of these things that happens to me with young comics.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
You must be an active subscriber to receive the free dessert. You hear me? All right, well, that was a tremendously funny misread of a anti-gun anthem, which turns out it was. Here I thought it was, but there was a caveat. That at the end, you don't mess with the Constitution, you just get rid of all humans. My brain worked with that for a while.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I thought it was very telling, but it was also very wrong, having read the lyrics right here in front of you. Alright, so I'll give you an update on Charles. You know, I think it also should be noted, if you'd like to note it, I noted it, that one of the things that made me... realized that I was okay at this, at being on these kind of microphones, was at Air America. I was put together to try to
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Stop, a second Bush II term, a second W term. And the politics of that time were dire as well. Not as dire as now, but seemingly they were, because they were as dire as they could have gotten. But we didn't anticipate they'd get more dire. But that's besides the point. But the truth is, is that during that time, We were doing political comedy and we were doing political news and political talk.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But I was also sort of developing my own voice on these microphones. And so much of it was built on cats. So much of it was built on cats. I rescued five feral cats, kittens, from my back alley in Queens. And the narrative of that is what really kind of gave me a voice. These fucking cats. And also it was a nice reprieve for people. During that time, the story of these cats.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
So here we are with another episode of where's Charlie at? What's Charlie doing? What the fuck is wrong with Charlie? Well, I can't answer that question. But the struggle for me around medicating Charlie has sort of resolved itself. He's been off the Prozac now for almost a week. And he's back to himself and I couldn't be happier.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Yes, he's still running around beating up on Buster and sometimes on Sammy, but I will accept that. It's the behavior that I'm worried about when I'm away, but I'm going to try something different with that. Something less... permanent, you know, maybe some Gabapentin or this other stuff. You know, some people recommend, you know, CBD. Other people recommend Felway Aromatizers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
I got them all over the house, the Felways. And despite how they work for your cats, they don't work for mine. I didn't think they would. But I've had them on for, you know, over a week, two weeks here. And CBD, I don't know. I might go Gabapentin. But the point is, what a relief in my heart and mind, and for Charlie as well, that I took him off this Prozac.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Because whether I was projecting or not, what I sensed in Charlie on the Prozac was, he had all his impulses to be himself, but he couldn't get to him. And I sensed a frustration there. That might have been projecting, but who cares? You know your cats, I know mine. Some people think I anthropomorphize too much and that I'm reading into it, but he seemed frustrated that he could not be himself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And it was making me sad. So... I took him off and he's back. He's just the same guy he was. Very engaged, very excited, very intrusive, a little bit crazy, maybe a lot crazy. But he's not even three yet. That was the other factor. Like, what am I doing to this guy? So I'm thrilled to have him back. And I try to get in the way of him fucking with the other cats.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
And I've decided to get him more enrichments. More enrichment. I didn't know that word, enrichments, until I went to the North Carolina Tiger Rescue. They have enrichments for the tigers in the form of tires. I didn't get Charlie a tire hanging from a rope. It's not quite big enough for that. But I'm looking at cat trees, people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
You know, people who have a nice house or enjoy the decoration or the decor of their house, eventually, if you have cats, you let go of a couch, you let go of some chairs, you'll put up with some stink, you'll put up with some things, some vomit, you know, you'll sacrifice furniture, you'll make exceptions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
But the step to cat tree is a big one, because then you're just giving your house to the cats. They have it anyway, but if it's a big enough house or there's enough space, you can spread it out a little bit. But once you dump one of those big, ugly cat trees, and there may be nice looking ones, but let's be honest, it is what it is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Once you dump one of those giant cat trees into a room, not your house anymore, pal. Nope, you've given in and it's their house. And that's where I'm at. I'm on the precipice of buying a hideous Cat Tree because maybe Charlie with a little more enrichment will settle the fuck down and stop beating up on Buster. But that might just go on for a while. Anyway, that is what's going on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
That is what's going on right now. Looking at Cat Trees, Charlie's Charlie again. Guess I should give you the update of my parents. They're both hanging in. Thought I'd give you an update. Talked to my dad. Still knows who I am. We have conversations that are limited to the several hours of memory that he has. Or a memory of the several hours before I talked to him. But it's okay. My mom's okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1636 - Liza Treyger
Okay, yeah. Yeah, the conversations with my mom are like, how you doing, mom? All right, how are you? I'm good, what's going on? Well, nothing. What about you, Mark? Well, I'm doing this, I'm doing that. Okay. Yeah, so nothing, you're not doing anything fun? I don't know. Not really. Okay, well, I guess that's it. I love you. But that's fine. Maybe I should call her after I do this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
So how did you like with this, the fire thing? Like, how, how did you fucking handle it? And I think you were on Kimmel last night, but you talked about it a little bit. Yeah, I, you know, I. For real though.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, but that becomes that sort of like that shock doctrine capitalism business. Like, I don't know who's going to rebuild in the Palisades. But, you know, if a developer comes in there and offers enough money to buy out all that property, they'll probably take it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
You just become a money laundering operation. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
The living wage also on the back burner, will it ever happen, I don't know. Healthcare for all, will that ever happen, I don't know. The idea of sustainability being an important project for the human species, I don't know where that is either. They finally won the war against tolerance and now we got to live with it. Aber ich glaube nicht, dass diese Anzahl unnötig ist. Wenn man sich denkt,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
They never seem to make room for, they never seem to acknowledge the potential for greed. You know what I mean? Like, it's a great idea. But if somebody gets in there, they're like, I got an angle. We can run money through this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
You can call it whatever you want. But when you were in that moment though, because when I decided I was going to freak out and leave, I did it voluntarily, because I couldn't read my app right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
I saw the red section, and it was right over there on the two, and I'm down, it's 7 in the morning, I got a guy coming to paint because my kitchen had a leak in it, and we're standing out there, my neighbor comes out, and I'm like, what are you guys going to do? It feels like it's close. And it's like, yeah, but I don't think it's that close. And then we just saw this black cloud
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Come over the whole fucking neighborhood. And the painter goes, you better get out of here. So I gotta load up these three cats. I got one crate. I'm putting one in the hamper. I got one taped one in a box. And I go to Hollywood to the Hampton Inn. And I figure I'm good. I get them all in. I buy other crates. And then that catches on fire. I watched it catch on fire. I could see it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
The one by the comedy store. I could see it blow up. And I'm like, now I gotta move again. But nonetheless... Ich fand, dass in diesem Moment ich mich konzentrieren kann. Du sprichst von ruhig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Es ist nicht so, dass ich nicht zu großen Dingen reagiere, aber ich bin immer froh, dass, egal wie panisch oder verdammt verrückt ich bin, dass ich, wenn die Scheiße den Fan schießt, aufstehen kann und es mache.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, I noticed that message. I've watched a lot of your stand-up and I know you fairly well. We've had our moments.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Aber Leute glauben einfach, dass ich nicht mit ihnen sprechen will. Sie denken, er ist intensiv. Sie bleiben also von mir weg. Ich denke, du denkst dir, dass es kommen wird. Du wirst schnell ein bisschen defensiv werden und dich über etwas wütend machen. Außer dir? Hast du mich einfach auf Psycho-Hilfe gesetzt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
the electoral map, which is oddly a lot like the duty watch app that I've been tracking to watch fires. Red is a problem, all shades of it. It's a problem because despite what anybody thinks, it was always sort of the loophole of democracy that it was possible that you could freely elect a fascist that will end it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Like, I've had to tell people in my life, where like, maybe you've had this too, where it's like, I'm not yelling at you, I'm just yelling.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
I was pretty impressed during the last fight we got into over whatever the fuck it was in the green room.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Nein, das war eine andere Sache. Es war über ein Thema. Es war über eine Durchführung. The cancel culture shit was going on. We were in the green room and there's a couple other people there and you go off on me. And all I remember is like, I'm gonna have to just fucking take this. I'm gonna have to stand. I can't walk away from it. I'm gonna have to hold my ground and wait till this shit passes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And you go and then I go. But the thing I noticed was, within three minutes you were like, maybe I should be on the women's side once in a while. The distance between outburst and apology was tight.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But I don't rage anymore. And I guess, because I remember like, I don't remember. You just ripped a fucking drawer out of your cabinet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Ja, ja. Ich denke, man kann sich nicht von dem entfernen, in dem man geboren wurde. Aber ich erinnere mich, wie war das letzte Mal? Wann hattest du diese Erklärung? Ich habe dich lange nicht mit dir gesprochen. Ich erinnere mich, du hast mal Muscheln gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And I don't know, the nature of democracy as a government body seems to be very codependent, suffers the same problem Vielen Dank. Major assholes and profound gaslighting. So here we sit at the precipice of an authoritarian America where people will be nominated and put in positions of power where they have no capability of doing it correctly or don't know the job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und eine Woche oder so danach warst du so, oh Mann. Du hattest es alles für einen Moment herausgefunden. Du hast etwas gesehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Was there an event that tipped it? Tipped what?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Eine Sache, als ich das Special gesehen habe, habe ich gemerkt, ich meine, du und ich sind sehr ähnlich, aber... In a lot of ways. But you, like, you went and had a regular life in the way that, you know, you got a wife, you got kids, you know, and now, like, you know, I didn't even pull it together to be able to handle that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And when you talk about that sadness at being at the core of the anger for how you grew up, I mean, I relate to that. But one thing that you seem to have gotten over or at least have... Ich weiß, wo das kommt. Was ist das? Weil meine Eltern waren nützliche, explodierte Leute. Warum? Was denkst du? Jesus Christus, ich bin an deiner Seite.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
No, no, they're both selfish enough to kind of float in their own zones and then just react to each other and then go back into their own little world. But now, like, my old man's got dementia and there's a point, like, I remember when we did that Comics Come Home thing. You know, and there's always that moment where your folks were there and you're like, this is my dad. I'm like, that's the guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Like, I'm thinking, that's the guy. And then you realize, like, god, they're just old fucks now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Primarily so the autocrat at the top of the pyramid has all the say and all the power. He's terrorized his stooges and the Senate and Congress and in business to fear for their own lives, if not their own careers in politics, if they do not do what he does. And that fundamentally, I don't know, it doesn't sound like democracy. I'm not trying to bum you out, but this is where we are today.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Well, I think it's funny because like you're a guy, the thing that, well, don't take this wrong. I mean, you're saving grace is your struggle with yourself, right? Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, you were always... You knew, and I knew, and everyone else knew. It's like, well, Bill's a good guy in there, and he knows that. He's fighting himself. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, and that's the whole thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Mit, weißt du, etwas, was ich aus Kontext gesagt habe und gesagt habe, dass es um ihn ging. Es war nicht mal um ihn. Und wir mussten das fucking ausarbeiten. Es ist ein fucking Schmerz. Out of all the people in the world, how does anyone start shit with Bert Kreischer? Listen, what do you mean?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, but I never got... But did you... Like you talk about the arc of your specials. All I ever did with comedy, all I ever wanted to do... And I've said this before. I don't know that I got into it thinking like I want to entertain people. I just knew that I could have my own fucking space to say what I wanted to fucking say. And it was mine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And I don't look. My fears are the same as many of yours. I mean, I know some people in their denial or in their need to adapt are like, well, we'll see what happens. Yeah, we will, but it's not going to be good. And the dread and isolation and feelings of despair are real. And again, they love it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, but that's... But that's taking a risk. That's not necessarily get everyone to like you, because when I do it, I guess I want them to like me. But, you know, there's part of me that's sort of like, I don't like me, so go fuck yourself. How can you like me? Yeah, I don't have that. No, you don't push back, but you like to fuck with them a little bit. You like to test them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, sometimes if I don't have a show that I think is good, I'll just go really long, and then at least they can't leave saying they didn't try. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
That doesn't happen that much. That's behind me. You know what I mean? Let me tell you this. I'm just going to let you go, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Well, I don't know what hasn't happened in a long time. Well, what happened was I was in Napa and I do this show. I get one woman who's sitting in the middle of the front section at the theater and she really wants to give me a present. She brought something for me. She didn't know she was going to get it to me after. So in the middle of the show, she's like, I love you. I have a gift for you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
It's taking time. And I'm like, all right, can we, and she's like, can I just, and, and like, it was, it was good natured. You know, she had knitted me a cat thing and she bought me a little thing or whatever. Right. But then the rest of the audience is like, hey, come on. I'm like, this is not a, this is not a bad situation. This is not a bad person. Oh, good. I thought you were going to. No, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
I'm like, you know, we just have, you just hang out. You know, I'll get back to the show. Let her do the thing and I'll take the present. Thank you. And then some other woman was up in the balconies. It's like, yeah. Das ist eine ganz andere Sache. Also ich gehe von der netten Frau zu der, die sagt, wirst du dich aufhören zu schalten? Weil ich kann dich rausnehmen, ich habe nichts zu tun.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Was wollen diese Leute zeigen? And it keeps happening and eventually I'm like, what are you a fucking moron, you know? And then it's being handled. Which person? The upper deck person? Yeah, yeah. So that all happens. And then you got to get back to you. Because you just showed the audience what a fucking monster you are. By dealing with the heckler. I think you're being too hard on yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
No shit. So today I get a fucking DM. from somebody who was sitting near the woman up top, who was drunk, I thought, and yelling. And she says, look, I don't know really what happened, but I was sitting next to these people and it seemed like she was a neurodivergent person who couldn't control it. So now I'm like, this is all sitting on me. Neurodivergent.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
You know, spectrum person who was with somebody who was taking care of her, wanted to see the show, but couldn't control her emotions. But I don't know what to do with that. I handled it the way I'm supposed to handle it, but now I think I shit on some person that has major emotional problems.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
No, I know, but I came to the same conclusion. But you just, you can't win and anybody can communicate with you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
So when you talk about like that thing you said on Kimmel last night about how like what you're mad about is something much bigger that you think is going to like consume you if you take it on. Du weißt, was das ist, oder? Meistens. What that thing is?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
This is a trolling population of autodidactic meatheads with heads full of garbage and bits and pieces that enable them to Bully and just gloat and find a real joy in that somehow or another their disposition, which is basically built on the idea that empathy is for suckers and everyone's on their own and you just gotta make do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Das ist gut. Du fängst all das jetzt an. Ich habe mit meinen Eltern eine andere Beziehung zu Jokes gemacht. Ich habe immer gesagt, wenn deine Eltern sagen, wir haben das Beste getan, was wir können. Und sie haben es nicht getan. Sie wussten nicht, was sie tun. Und du musst das nicht nehmen. Du hast nicht das Beste getan, was du kannst. Ich kann das akzeptieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
That's right. Go kill something. We had a lot of dogs. I grew up with a lot of dogs. And it's just the same reason I don't have kids. I don't trust my emotional construct not to be selfish and feel that like... Hey, more people should do that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But it's good that you can identify in that moment when you're holding hands and that you can, you know, be present for the love from her and you. And, you know, it's good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And a lot of people that I thought were once relatively decent people have locked into this political movement as a way to um ihre persönlichen Fortschritte zu machen und ihren Griff weiterzumachen. Ich weiß nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah. It's like... And just spin them, like it just becomes a habit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Es ist nicht so, dass ich beobachtete, dass die Menschen alle inhaltlich gut waren, aber es ist ein bisschen interessant zu sehen, dass diejenigen, die du glaubst, ein wenig gut ausgestattet waren, sich für ihre eigenen Intentionen beobachten. Weißt du, ich flog aus einer Feuerzone in einen Blitz und der Leidenschaft, auf Feuer zu warten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Aber das war... Das hat mich wirklich geholfen, Mann. Das war brutal. Du hast das in der Special auch gesagt, dass wir in dieser seltsamen Ängste sind. Das ist eine sehr gute Observation, das ist lustig. Ich werde nie vorbei sein, Bob. Ich habe das Stück gemacht, das ich nicht sein werde. Yeah, I don't think I will too. And it's not like I was totally close to him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But we're all weirdly close just by nature of who we are and what we do. But he was always the best guy in the world. And it was such a shocking fucking thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Er hat nicht gemerkt, wie schlimm es war. Ich glaube nicht, dass es schlimm ist, aber ich werde es dir sagen, Mann. Wir gehen in all diese verschiedenen Hotels. Aber nachdem Sagat gestorben ist, habe ich das Licht auf dem Kühlschrank geschlossen. Weil du wachst und weißt nicht, wo du bist für einen Moment. Oh yeah, what's, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
You know, some of these places got those fucking marble floors and shit. Like, and I'm old. So like now, like anywhere I go, I just gotta make sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Right. How the hell is he gonna know he hit his head? I'm gonna lie down for a minute. He doesn't know how bad you hit it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
day to day, that feeling of a lack of control, a powerlessness in the face of Natural disaster is a lot to live with. And then I came out here to Denver and did a couple of amazing shows. Great people out here in Boulder and in Fort Collins. We really had a good time. Me and Makowski did some great sets and did what we could to ease the stress.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
In Princeton. Oder wo? Was ist das? New Brunswick?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Nein, aber ich erinnere mich... Warum musst du das sagen? Die Leute werden das ernst nehmen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und er hat diese Car-Crash-Videos gedreht. Du erinnerst dich an die Videos vor dem Show? Ich erinnere mich nicht mehr, aber ich erinnere mich, dass es verrückt war. Das, was ich sagen wollte, ist, dass ich mit Geraldo gesprochen habe, weil ich ihm gesagt habe, als ich von Mishna verabredet wurde, hat sie mich sauber gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und ich habe ihm gesagt, dass ich es wie... Und sie war einfach so, was habe ich gemacht? Well, no, I told her, like, the divorce cost me a fuck of a lot of money, you know, and... She earned it. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I have peace with that. You should, she's a sweetheart. I was able to see my side of that. Because you get stubborn, you get competitive, you're like, it's this and that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But I realized, like, years later, like, you know... Es ist okay, das Geld und was auch immer. Aber ich habe Geraldo gesagt, wie viel es kostet, als dass sie mich sober gemacht hat. Ich habe gesagt, ich muss es schauen. Das ist der Preis für meine Sobriety. Er sagt, du hast es einfach gemacht. Ich habe sechs fucking Rehabs gemacht. Das Kerl hat es versucht. Hunderts von Tausenden von Dollar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
In Rehabs und was auch immer. Und er konnte es einfach nicht aufhalten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But there was a blizzard in that feeling of driving on ice. Driving on ice in a car that isn't an all-wheel drive in that weird tension where you just don't know when the car is just going to start sliding without you. That fear of powerlessness. I guess it was a primer. Is that the word I want?
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Hast du also das Verständnis gehabt, dass Alternativ-Comedy in St. Louis stattfinden könnte?
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und jetzt musst du nur ein Reel posten. Das ganze sortierende, open, middle, close Ding, fertig. Es ist vorbei.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
In Boston, after the happy hours closed down and all those guitar acts came in and you have to feature for a guitar act and they were the big headliner and it was sort of like, what am I doing? How bad did your drinking get?
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
It was priming me for what's going to happen today and what it's going to feel like for God knows how long. But again, the desire to isolate and lose yourself in your phone and losing yourself in basking frightening information or information that's bullshit. I'm not suggesting denial, but I am suggesting that somehow or another we try to keep our fucking heads together.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
You always end up at the store with me grabbing them out of the box.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
I don't like them anymore. Oh, ja. Ich weiß nicht, was passiert. Ich mache diese Zinsen. Ich bekomme Nikotin. Aber an einem Punkt habe ich einen Zigarren getrunken und ich dachte mir, es riecht nicht gut mehr. Und es war schon gut, dass das passiert ist.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und du erwartest das gleiche Ding, das große Ding. Und dann bei der dritten.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Es ist ein großartiges Rekord. Ich kenne das Rekord. Es ist so lustig, dass du es benutzt hast. Ich habe immer gearbeitet, dass jeder Mann auf dem Spektrum von Männern toxisch ist. Es gibt einen toxischen Spektrum von Männern. Und es geht von insensibel zum Mörder.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, it's all just a theory. I was telling a story that you were in on stage about that night at that Comics Come Home thing that we did. I was so like, he put me on that thing and I was like, great, it's full circle. You know, I'm gonna come back. I'm a pro. You know, I remember like doing one of my first guest spots at Nick after Leary and just dying. I'm like, now I've got it all together.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
You know, I'm seeing everyone who's on there and he's reading the list of the order. Uh-huh. And he's going through everybody. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? And he goes, all right, then Robert Kelly, then Marin, then Byrne. I'm like, God. Damn it! How the fuck? Now I gotta go fight? I gotta go fucking... I'm drowning upon the intro?
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Ich meine, auf irgendeinem Niveau ist ein bisschen Verleumdung notwendig, nur damit du dein fucking Geist nicht verlierst. Weißt du, vielleicht, äh, du weißt nicht, schau dir dein Telefon an, wenn du morgens aufwächst, gib es ein paar Stunden, nimm eine Atmung, hab ein schönes Frühstück und dann, weißt du, blöde dein Gehirn mit dem fucking Telefon aus, weil es ein Shit Show wird.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
You kill. Well, that was the funny thing. Once I figured out, I was told the order, I was like, god damn it. And I'm between you and him. And I walked up to you, I said, why don't you go after Kelly? And you go, I don't want to go after Kelly.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Es wird genau wie die Bewertung für Feuer. It's going to be every day of that. Every fucking day. This week is going to be horrifying for tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of families who will be ripped out of their homes and thrown into transport vehicles and taken wherever, possibly to camps, possibly to countries that they haven't lived in as families for decades, maybe ever.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
The opening joke I did, though, was because Pete Davidson went up and it was weird. It was a little weird. It was all about trying to get his mother fucked. Remember he said, his mom hadn't had sex since his dad died on 9-11, so he's been trying to get his mother to... Das klingt wie eine gute Prämisse für mich.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
He's just hard on himself because he doesn't think he writes enough. Like he knows he can kill, but he knows he's going to do that same 15 minutes. And I think that's what drives him nuts. It's like, I think maybe in his.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But he's pretty hard on himself about it, about generating material. And I think his mindset is like, he knows he can kill, but he knows he's just killing with these certain bits. I don't think he really thinks that he's going to bomb.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, I don't have one in the chamber. I don't do them enough. But yeah, you gotta slow things down.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. So what's going on with this? One of the questions about the... about the psychological stuff. Is that like, when you, and I'm just asking because I'm trying to... Because you're fucked up too, yeah. Yeah. You know, when you make the decision to not react or not fight or take the hit, don't you just feel it in your chest? Like, you know, like...
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Es gibt eine Entscheidung, und dann musst du das... Ich zeige dir eine, die ich nicht... Ich weiß gar nicht, wie ich das Problem auslösen kann.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, Knicks? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. I'm recording this on Sunday. I am in Denver, Colorado. So it's not Monday morning, but I know it is for most of you. And I know for at least... 75.017.626 von euch. Das wird ein schrecklicher Tag sein.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And, you know, that'll probably be on TV, but this is what making America great looks like to, you know, about 77,301,917 people in this country. Taking the rights away from women. This is what makes America great. This is what does it. It's a small price to pay, right? For people who just want their eggs to be cheaper on the backs of this kind of bullshit.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
It's good that you've got it down to just mostly freaking out when you're alone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And so that's a big deal to memorize all play. Because like, you know, when you're shooting movies or TV, you can go scene for scene. It's a big deal, right? Getting that all in your head.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und du bist in New York geflogen für einen Monat Rehe?
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But look, again, don't want to be negative. Just want to say, hey... Try to hold on to yourselves. Try to hold on to who you are. Try to get involved on a community level, on a state level. See if we can regroup something or hold the line in terms of just treating people with some fucking decency. Because the war on tolerance has been won.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Er ist großartig. Ich habe die ganze Serie wieder gesehen. Es war so lustig, als du am Flugzeug warst, und ich wusste nicht, dass du hinter mir sitzt. Das war so lustig. Und dann standest du da und sagst, du siehst aus wie Marc Maron. Oh, shit, Marc. Und ich habe nur wieder Breaking Bad gesehen. Also bin ich literally auf TV, und dann stehe ich auf und sage, oh, shit. Da ist er. Ja.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Also muss ich jetzt zurück in das Haus und finde das fucking Ding. Okay, gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
There you go. Again, tickets are on sale now for Glenn Gray, Glenn Ross on Broadway and also Bill's special Drop Dead Years premieres on Hulu on March 14th. Hang out for a second, folks.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Hey, Leute, langjährige Hörer kennen wahrscheinlich Dan Pashman. Er arbeitete mit mir bei Air America Radio und wir haben ihn über die Jahre gehalten, als er der Host seiner eigenen Podcast, The Sporkful, wurde. Letzte Woche wurde The Sporkful 15 Jahre alt und Dan war auf dem Friday Show mit Brendan und Chris, der jetzt für Full Marin Hörer disponibel ist.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Das war's für heute. Bis zum nächsten Mal. Musik
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And tolerance was the necessary lubricant for democracy to function. Und ich weiß nicht wirklich, was mit den 110 Millionen Leuten zu tun hat, die überhaupt nicht gewählt haben. Aber wer weiß, sie sind die Wildcard, glaube ich. Aber ich weiß, dass 75 Millionen plus Leute das nicht wollen. Und das ist fast halb so viel. Es ist eine Unterschiede von ein paar Millionen Leuten.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
So we're out there, they're out there to try to do the right thing in their day-to-day life and probably try to do the right thing in the civic world of your community, of your state. Yeah, I don't really know what happens. But look, you can still enjoy a nice meal. You can still entertain yourself. You can still run your errands. You can still have your friends.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Just try to hold on to your minds. Will you? Could you? Try to take care of the people that are vulnerable in the way that you can. I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobrero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on January 31st. That's a Friday. Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on February 1st, Saturday.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Iowa City at the Ingler Theater on Thursday, February 13th. Des Moines, Iowa at Hoyt Sherman Place on Friday, February 14th. Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theater on Saturday, February 15th. Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel Vielen Dank. Und Links to Tickets. The set is coming along pretty well. I'm trying to think that that has any relevance or importance to anybody.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
That's the other thing about this thing. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Vielen Dank. That's going to be... I think that's starting... Well, they're going to start rehearsals in March. Look, you know, I wanted to talk and in some ways I had to talk to people who were around during the fire because everything stopped and these fires are being managed miraculously by amazing teams of firefighters.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Thank God somebody, many people, there is a type of person that wants to fight fires. Because, you know, with... civil servant jobs and jobs that uh you know seem i don't know like there's a lot of jobs that are sort of thankless but this isn't one of them and it is driven by people that want to fight fires Das ist, was sie tun wollen. Das ist ihr Ziel im Leben.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und es wird ein schrecklicher Tag für Amerika sein. Und es wird in der Geschichte einen der schlimmsten Tage dieses Landes sein. Weil nach heute werden wir nicht wirklich die Natur unseres Landes kennen. Ich weiß nicht, was jetzt passiert. Und ich bin so schockiert, wie ihr seid. Und ich weiß nur, dass sie es lieben. They love our fear.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und danke Gott, dass sie existieren. Denn wenn es Leute gibt, die sagen, ich weiß nicht, es gibt eine Feuerwehr, es gibt nicht viel dazu, es gibt kein Zukunft. Ich mag nicht meine Gesundheit. Es ist sehr gefährlich. Ich bin nicht dazu. Ich werde etwas einfacher machen. Danke Gott, dass es Leute gibt, die mit all ihren Herzen und sauberen Leben kämpfen wollen. It's amazing.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And, you know, I guess on some level, we're all going to have to become firefighters metaphorically in our own way, in the ways that we can. Again, I'm not trying to be negative, but I'm just trying to be positive. Realistisch. Aber Bill ist hier, weil er da war und er musste evakuieren. Und viele der Gespräche, die wir lately gehabt haben, sind ziemlich präsent. Sie sind nicht gebackloggt.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Und es ist gut, mit ihm zu kämpfen. Wir haben unsere eigenen Probleme, ich und Bill. Aber er ist sort of leveling off and he's really kind of fighting the good fight to be a decent fella. It takes time. So yeah, the blizzards, I've been in a blizzard. It was kind of a blizzard. It just got very cold.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
I know it's hip for the grifting entertainers to kind of poo-poo climate change and maybe we've passed the point of no return and this is just the new reality. 23 degrees below zero wind chills in Denver to the point where the hotel couldn't even heat itself. Oh mein Gott, es ist so dunkel, es ist so negativ. But I'm going to go have some coffee. Look, I can tell you this. I'll keep doing this.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
I'll keep talking to people. I'll keep figuring out a way with my heavy heart to find humor in things or just to be self-righteous occasionally. You know, what are you going to do? So look, Bill Burr came by the other day and we hadn't talked in a while and Phil Burr, you know, struggles. You know, he is struggling with himself. And that's where a lot of the good stuff starts.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
So his new comedy special, Drop Dead Years, will premiere on Hulu on March 14th. Glengory Glen Ross opens on Broadway in previews on March 10th. Opening night is March 31st. Tickets are on sale now. This is me and Bill the other day.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
Es ist irgendwie ironisch, dass du da gekommen bist und ich den Kaffeegrinder verpasst habe. Und ich habe das schon mit dem Kaffeegrinder gemacht. Ich konnte es nicht mit dem richtigen Grinder machen. Es war wie Dirt. Ich habe also zwei von ihnen gekauft, um das Teil zu finden. Ich war also in der Mitte dieses Projekts. But that's a day, you know, it's going to be okay.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
And you were like, you're probably mad about something else. Yeah, I think so. But I mean, I am mad about that as well.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
They want us to be subjugated by all of their actions, policies, points of view to push back on the marginalized populations of our of our country with no social reprisal. Look, I'm all about free speech, but just know that it's now conditional to abide by their rules, which I think mostly will be shut the fuck up. Equal rights are going to be on the back burner, if ever coming back, I don't know.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
No, I'm 56. Oh, so you're not that far from me. Yeah. Like a lot of this stuff is coming up for me too. You know, the sadness and I've talked about that before. But like I think and this observation that's kind of like something you would observe. Like if I'm driving alone. and I get lost or I get frustrated, you know, I just sit in it.
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Episode 1610 - Bill Burr
But if there's someone there, then I'm going to be like, Jesus Christ. Oh, really? Yeah. Like, you know, if you're driving alone, you know where you're going, you'll figure it out. But if there's someone sitting there, you'll be like, where the fuck are we? Right.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How's everyone holding up? Sarah Silverman is back on the show today. Have not talked to her in a long time. I've known her forever. She's been on the show a few times. A live one back in 2009. A full talk in 2010.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Oh, there she is. Really? Are you fucking deaf?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Huh. I mean, yeah. So, what's going on? Are we just aging? Is this just what's happening?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It wasn't all those loud shows you were doing? Yeah, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Und er hat es noch nicht gehört. Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja. But what's that got to do with dementia? Did you ask the hearing doctor?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Because your brain doesn't get the stimulus?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Oh. Yeah. My dad has it. And he hasn't socialized with anybody. Right. And like his wife, I worry about it all the time, because now it's just gotten to this point where... She's like she's annoyed, but she's taking care of him. But so that all the dialogue he has is her going like, just use the spoon. Just pick up this. It's not hostile, but it's just.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
A short talk in 2016. And now it's time to... Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 We shot some promos for The Bad Guys 2, which I guess, I think opens in August. The movie's gonna be good. If you like that kind of animation stuff, this thing moves. It's got a good clip to it. But we're over at Universal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, not wearing their hearing aids. Yeah, but I think that because my dad doesn't socialize, he's just always been kind of lost in his head. And now that's become a more confusing place, I think, with a lot of silence. But I wonder if he, like, I don't know, it seems like I watched your special.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Erstens, du hattest nicht viel Zeit mit deiner Großmutter oder, glaube ich, mit deinem Vater, sowohl von der Wahrnehmung, dass sie sterben, als auch von der Wahrnehmung, dass sie sterben. Aber es war ein paar Monate, in denen du Zeit hattest, um zu verändern, zu zeigen und die Gespräche zu haben, die viele Leute nicht haben.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Und es gibt keinen Weg, dass das nicht witzig wird. Ja. Ich weiß. Aber es gibt diese Angst. Weil, wenn ich das alles so schnell durchführe, als wäre es so, als wäre es so, als wäre es so, als wäre es so, als wäre es so,
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, talk it through. And there were times where I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep it together. Did you have that?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Really? That to me is the most revealing and funniest moment. Moment of the special, oddly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
No, the moment where, you know, they give her the diagnosis and your father goes, I'm alone.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
So you heard that second hand, like from the WhatsApp? Yeah.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, but it's like, there's something about... Ein bestimmter Typ von Persönlichkeit, der, wie mein Vater, ein kantankeröser Jude ist. Und wenn er, vor Jahren, seine Frau mit Brustkanzer behandelt wurde. Und sie ist jetzt okay. Aber als sie behandelt wurde, habe ich mit meinem Vater gesprochen. Er sagt, was ist falsch? Er sagt, wir haben gerade herausgefunden, dass Rosie Brustkanzer hat.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Ich sagte, Jesus, ich bin sorry, Vater. Er sagt, ja, ich habe schlechte Glück.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Ja, es ist adorabel, weil es eine natürlich lustige Sache ist. Ja. Aber die Realität davon ist, dass es schrecklich insensibel und seltsam ist.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, exactly. He was losing everything. Yeah, his everything. Yeah. But, you know, the fact, the point to go to that lack of sensitivity innately, you know, when she's diagnosed is so crazy.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Kind of immediate, well, immediately that I was talking about it, because...
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
To sort of start, yeah. Yeah. But also, it feels like, in terms of a genuine story, Yeah, I guess, yeah. Right? Du engagierst dich eigentlich mit der Realität, wie du dich um deine Eltern, deine Familie fühlst. Ja. Deine Vergangenheit, deine Kindheit auf einem gewissen Niveau, deine Beziehung mit deiner Mutter und ihrem Mann und dann deinem Vater und seiner Frau. Es kommt alles ins Spiel.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Und es scheint, als ob es die erste Zeit ist, dass du dich tatsächlich so erklärt hast.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, you're starting something that sounds, you know, like, oh, this is about her. Oh, no, it's not. It's about cock.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It's me and Rockwell, Natasha Lyonne, Zazie Bates, Anthony Ramos, Danielle Brooks, Maria Bakalova. We were all there. Nalkwafina. Nora. Craig Robinson, too. For a day or two. We're shooting all these silly little pieces for this and that. And Rockwell's like, let's go on a ride. Let's go on a ride. We're right here. It's a universal theme park right there. And I'm like, alright. Let's go.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Are you kidding? Homework. My audience. They're like, oh, bring it on. Yeah, that's what we live for. Yeah, but like that insecurity is so, it's kind of weird because we're organically funny people. I mean, there's plenty of people in our business where you're like, you meet them way back and you're like, there's nothing funny about that person.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And they become funny, you know, because they have a certain sense of commitment. It's very weird because I've known you since you started and when I was only a few years in. Yeah. Ja. Different?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Das ist interessant, denn das war dein Teil für eine lange Zeit. Und auf irgendeinem Niveau ist es immer noch so, wie du es denkst, in Bezug auf Joke-Written, richtig? Ja, Joke-Struktur, glaube ich.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Aber seitdem wir alle lebendig sind, für so lange, wie wir lebendig sind, und ich denke, du sprichst frei auf deinem Podcast, ich weiß nicht, wie oft du es tust, aber du engagierst dich in dieser Weise, wo du die Muskeln des, wer du bist, in Bezug auf eine empathische Person und andere Menschen helfen kannst. Ja, genau, genau, genau.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
We have broad personalities. Yeah. Expansive. Not so much me, but certainly in terms of your decision to do the comedy you did, which was just natural. Was there a point where you were like, man, I'm tired of this character I'm doing?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Du hast mich die letzte Zeit so wütend gemacht, als ich dir den Witz gesagt habe, den ich erinnere. Du hast mich wütend gemacht. Was? Was? Because it was like one of your first jokes. And I was like, my favorite joke of yours is this one. And you're like, oh my god. I've done four specials. Oh, no. I don't know. But yeah, like doing that character. Yeah.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Well, yeah, but like it can be said, but that's what people do. I mean, I mean, it's the voice. Yeah. And then like they don't even know when they're losing relevance anymore, because all the people that come are people that were there 20 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, there's no like new people. Right.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
They couldn't make it happen the first day. And then yesterday they made it happen. And, uh, I don't know. You know, I felt pretty excited about it. And I forget that, you know, I'm not a huge ride guy. I can live without it. But we were in it and I was in it and I was like, let's do it. They walked us through a back door into the park so we could go on the mummy ride.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Sure, she did all kinds of shit. I mean, wild. I was in bed with her doing a show.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Sure. I mean, like, I, you know, I think, I feel like for me... Everything I'm doing is just this ongoing conversation as I kind of expand my perception of the world. It's all one conversation. Because there are times where I'm doing stand-up and I'm like, I've said this same thing nine different ways over two albums and four specials. Wow. But that's not great.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
But I like to add a little more to it. But I fester about the same shit.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Only if it's a really deep red square. You have to believe the guy who made the red square was a genius.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Dieser Typ hat ihn gemacht. Und ich dachte immer, das wäre interessant. Das ist wahr. Ich denke, großartiges Kunstwerk, als du älter wirst, auch Musik und so, es schlägt dich in eine andere Richtung. Auch Dinge, die du als Kind liebst, du denkst, warum, ich liebe das noch? Und du denkst, oh, ich verstehe es nicht. Genau.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I also think it's interesting that you and I, neither of us have kids. And so, you know, we have to grow up slower, I think, than other people. Because we're just like, almost like children. Yeah.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Do it. It's audio, so it's very hard to make audio viral.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, because we needed to. I mean, the fucking thing about being brought up by narcissists, and I don't think your mom was one, but your dad was, is that they take up so much air. Ja. Ja, und wie...
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Exactly. With everything. So there there's no way for you to kind of in order to get a sense of self in the midst of narcissistic parents. The fight is real, man. And, you know, it's I think it's sort of why I became a comic, because it was sort of like, I'm me. I'm me. Right. Fuck you. And then they gotta deal with that. Because comedy gives you that edge.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Eventually you kind of outsmart them and they can't do their little mindfuck on you. And then they have to all of a sudden kind of reel it in a little bit.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And somehow in my mind, I thought like, yeah, man, I kind of like roller coasters and I don't know where that came from. Ich hatte eine Frau, die sehr auf Rollercoaster gefangen hat, also habe ich ein paar Rollercoaster-Ride gemacht. als ich mit Mishnah war. Ich erinnere mich daran, dass ich es gemacht habe, dass ich es durchgekommen bin und dass es genug aufregend war.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I didn't realize your mom was the more difficult one.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Well, no, it's heartbreaking, but it's like that withholding thing is so mindfucky, more than, you know, like, look, my mom was sort of like slightly dismissive. You know, it was always sort of like, well, why did you get a B? You know what I mean? But it was like, I guess that's okay.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
They were such bad parents. But not, you know, they didn't beat me.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, they were regular sort of like, they had me when they were in their 20s. And there's just a couple of New Jersey Jews who were overextended, had no idea how to be parents. But it just gets kind of interesting. Because whatever their insecurities are, you're going to answer for them somehow.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Aber irgendwie hat das in meinem Kopf über Jahrhunderte gewechselt zu Nein, ich mag Rollercoaster. Also ist es nicht so viel wie ein Rollercoaster. Es ist nur ein bisschen ein bisschen But it turns out, I don't love it. I don't love it. You know, it was me, Natasha, Leon and Rockwell went on the mummy ride.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Und wenn sie einfach nicht mehr isst, würde ich vielleicht weggehen. Aber es gibt diesen dünnen Element, an dem ich nicht genug darüber denke. Weil ich immer über meinen Vater denke, der die beiden stärkere Persönlichkeit ist, weil sie chaotisch waren. Und das war ein bisschen erstaunlich.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Ich meine, wenn jemand, ich dachte immer, dass es mein Vater war, der verantwortlich war für meine Charisma oder wollte, in der Show-Business zu sein. Aber ich denke, es war meine Moms schreckliche, schreckliche, fucking sarkastische Selbst.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It never goes away. It's wired in there. Your mom's Jewish, right? It's so funny because my memory of the one time that I was way back, I was like, you know, I met her husband and I met her because I stayed at the house. John O'Hara. And I met your dad too. I don't know why. We went over there or something. Aber wir waren so jung.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Aber ich erinnere mich, wie deine Mutter sagte, das ist jemand, der nicht mehr jüdisch sein will.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
A little different. A little different. A little different. The Boston Jews and the New England Jews.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Your dad is like, you know, he's he's about the most aggressive sort.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
You know, like, I noticed that, like, sometimes, like, in Boston, the Jews I met, they didn't want to be too Jew-y.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Your dad couldn't, there's no way he could not be Jewish.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah. But like Susie, too, like, it's, I'm trying to think.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
But it's interesting, if I'm just going to stereotype, you know, like, I mean, we weren't close friends, but she didn't, she wasn't that Jewish back in college. And if I really think of the siblings, I don't know, I know Laura. Laura is like the most aggressively Jewish and you, I think, somehow. Really?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
No, I know, but we're Jews. Yeah. So you can't escape that. No. No Jew outside of Orthodox Jews expects you to be religious.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And yeah, I got off and there was one drop in there where, you know, it fucking made me queasy for the rest of the goddamn day. I didn't even see it coming. I'm not like a guy who gets sick of things, but boy, there's one drop there. And I was like, oh my God, I'm sweaty now. And it jerks you around a bit. I got a little nervous. Like there was the first jerk. I'm like, should I loosen my body?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And then they'd meet your dad. Yeah. It's so funny, because there's other like New England, like Cedars Jew. Oh, Sam. Sam is sort of like a New England Jewie. Yeah. You know, but it's there. Like, you know.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, but he's like, but it's not New York. And he's like aggressive. And he's intelligent. And he's quick-witted. He's got all of the attributes. But then he's got that Worcester thing.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It's crazy. The Boston Jew thing. Yeah, I just heard from John Benjamin for the first time in six years. Today. Really? Yeah. Yeah, he's so funny. He is very funny. Sam's so funny. It's just like he's one of those guys where it's like, just be funny. He's very smart and he's very political and I'm very happy that he's doing what he's doing.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
But there's still those moments when he is funny where you're like, oh.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Oh, that's nice. But like Susie, I don't know the oldest one, really. Susie? Well, who's the one between, who's the next one down? Joe Dean. Joe Dean, I don't really know.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
She's three months older than me. Oh, okay. But I kind of know Laura. Yeah. And Susie I know a bit. But when all this stuff is going down, how does the rabbi's influence... You talk a little bit about it in the show, but she's got to bring somewhat of a spiritual element to it. In terms of how she, not believing God necessarily, but, you know, Rabbis handle this stuff.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
That's the best. I know. It's so good. But that's the nature. I do that with my dad all the time. When I call him, I'm like, it's Mark, your son. Do you remember me still? And he goes, yeah, yeah, of course, of course. I'm like, all right, then what's going on? Not much. Yeah. Well, he's at the, I call it the, he's a ventriloquist dummy now to his wife.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Because he's got no, you know, day of memories. So I'm like, did you go to the movies last night? He goes, yeah. What did you see? He goes, uh, Rosie, what did we see? But he's got old memories still.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Ja, ich weiß nicht, ob du durch die... Die Kredite? Ja, das war lustig. Es war der echte Kommerz. Ja. Wo hast du das verdammte Ding gefunden?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Should I tighten it? Am I going to get hurt in here? Am I going to sprain a neck? Mine? But it goes so quick. And then you come up on a wall really fast. And then it goes backwards. And, you know, Natasha was like, I think we should be doing this every morning. And there was part of me that thought like, yeah, I guess I feel, I don't know, engaged, but not great. I think it's a good ride.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Really? Yeah. That you just put on there years ago or...
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Im Laufe des Shows arbeitest du nur an Lergo-Teilen, um zu sehen, ob du den Humor in euren echten Geschichten finden kannst?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Oh, and they all had a relationship with them? Oh, yes. Very close. Oh, that's good. Oh, yeah. The Zaid. Yeah, yeah. It's good when you have a relationship with your grandparents. Oh, yeah.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And that, I guess, creates... Some capacity for empathy for them. Yeah.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Ja, du kannst sie als Menschen sehen und es ist ein Bedürfnis auf deinem Rücken.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
No, well, he found out I was related to Barbara Walters somehow. Or no, Louis Black, maybe. No, Barbara Walters. And then he told Louis Black.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Because I think he told Louis Black that he was related to me. But when I was on his show, he somehow tracked me to Barbara Walters. But now the whole thing is in doubt. Because he told me that I was the furthest back he ever got with a Jew in the palace settlement.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I had a tailor. All the way through my dad, yeah. Yeah, we got all the way to a tailor.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I just don't know. I don't know if it's for me, because I can feel jerked around and nauseous. You know, just moving through my day. It's usually mental. I get mentally jerked around. I hit walls all the time. I go backwards. I go side to side. The bottom falls out on me every day. But it's all internal. So, I'm glad we did it. Seems like a fun ride.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Well, no, we don't come from those. That's the funny thing. That was the other thing I realized about some Boston Jews, is like, there's a difference between... Like German Jews and Russian Jews. Yeah. We're Russian Jews, right? Yeah, we're peasant Jews.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
But the German Jews were aristocratic Jews.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
That's right. And we were like, and I think there were, because my mom dated a German Jew, like, you know, several generations. But, you know, he was sort of like, he wanted, you know, anywhere he'd go, even if it was a fucking diner. You know, he put out a napkin as a placemat and he was all very, you know, there was a, almost like that, that bit about... Oh, nein. Oh, nein, ich kenne nicht das.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Oh, mein Gott. They were garbage to the German Jews. Vermin, yeah. I don't think they went that far. Unless they were trying to get on Hitler's good side.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Und mein Vater ist ein bipolarer, verrückter Kerl. Und das kam durch seine Mutter, den Krieger. Und so war es ein bisschen ein Drama, um zu folgen. Und dann fand ich heraus, dass meine Mutter's maternelle Linie zurückgeht zu Galicia, die in der Ukraine oder Polen ist. Und das war eine Art Öl-Boom-Stadt. In the 1800s. Galicia was the Soviet oil boom town.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And so like there's an outside chance that some of my relatives were like, you know, roughnecks, you know, working the wells. Oh, wow. Kind of like that. I was hoping for a Viking, but I didn't get a Viking.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
No. Oh, I thought maybe somebody raped somebody, came down into Poland.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I know, because I had done 23 and me, it was 95, but Gates told me it was 99. And I'm like, all right.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Somebody. Really? You had a little Siberian? Yeah. Somebody made a deal to get out of prison. Somebody fucked a guard. It was very sweet that Jeff Ross was there. He was close with them. Yeah, of course he was. Of course, yeah. You could put an old Jew, I could put an old Jew in front of my house now and within six hours Jeff would find him.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
He's just like, he's always been an old Jew.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah. Yeah. When it was Jeff Lifsholtz. Yeah. I always used to say to him, do you remember the movie The Shining?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
The very end where, you know, the bartender says, you've always been here, Mr. Torrance. And then they go into that picture and you can see from the 30s, it's Nicholson. I say that about Jeff. It's like, you've always been here, Jeff, in show business.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
No. Yes. Sorry, Emily. That's amazing. He was like, I have the wedding album. And I gave him pictures because it's of the place. They did their wedding party and everything there.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And when we put that together, he was like, oh, my God, I need the pictures. And he's using them in his one-man show.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I just think that at age 61 here, I can say with a certain amount of confidence that I don't need to go on another roller coaster. I remember going to Coney Island and riding that old rickety fucking Cyclone. And that's a very specific thing. It's a small roller coaster, but there's something about it Just maybe because it's old? I don't know.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, but he used one of my parents' wedding pictures to show the place.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And he knew, like, the people that were working there. He could say, oh, that's my uncle. You know, like, it was crazy. Oh, wow. Ist das eine schöne Verbindung? Ja. Also was ist der Plan? Was machst du jetzt?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Wie du entscheidest, welche du machen wirst.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Did you have fun doing the Bernstein movie? Yeah.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
He must be some gifted fuck, I'll tell you that. Yeah, he must be. I mean, to be in front of the camera and also directing. He did a great job with it. The movie is a little all over the place, but it was certainly great to look at.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah. I like that you found an Italian that kind of looks like your dad.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I've tracked your boyfriends over the years and I'm like, alright, that one's another one. Another one that looks like her dad. And then he went out with a British guy and I'm like, nah, he doesn't look like her dad.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
That's true. It just sounds fancier. But like when you think about it, maybe I'm talking out of school, but I track weird things. But you know, from like the Attell, Cedar, Cohen, that was like full dad. Oh my God.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Like crazy. I know. It's so funny. But you've been with this guy for a while, right?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah. And then, like, you lose all that time. I feel like I should be able to... Like, I'm 61, but because of COVID, I think I should be 58.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, I think I kind of, I don't think we dated, but I knew your roommate.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
No, I think it was Allison, because she was the Star Wars person, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, like she reached out to me at some point not long ago and I was like, hey, yeah, because she was kind of intense.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It's a very manageable roller coaster, but your fucking body is sore afterwards. And I don't know how much research they put into this, but there was something about that old cyclone where you got a little nervous that it would fall off the rails and you could just feel the woodenness of it and the kind of looseness of the wheels on the old rails.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And she was going to be an actress, right?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Love her. It's so weird being, because I was talking to Peter Shore from the store about, you know, working there. And he goes, you're one of the senior citizens. I'm like, crazy. Am I? I don't, because I'm like, you're a little younger than me, but it's kind of.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Das Wahnsinnigste an ihr ist, dass alle Komödie von Juden kamen, die Jiddisch sprachen. Aber wir sind drei oder vier Generationen vor dem. Alle Juden, die in den 70er-Jahren waren, waren nur langsam weg. Das Rhythmus. Right. But she's like direct, like she's one generation beyond Yiddish. Because she grew up in that fucking crazy community. Exactly.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And the way it jerks you around doesn't seem smooth or on purpose. Like this one, the mummy, that was clearly all intentional. They gotta really pack it in, because the ride lasts about 40 seconds. But yeah, not for me. I don't know why I feel like declaring that, but I'm saying it here, I'm saying it out loud.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
So she has that thing that used to be all over the place.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Is that like, just by her being and staying, like she's like, it's all good to her. Like she's not, she's not reflex, she's not neurotic. She's like totally self-accepting. She loves life. And she is.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Ja, ja. Ich meine, es ist wie aus dem fucking jüdischen Vergangenheit. Ja. Und ob sie es wissen oder nicht, es ist in uns eingegangen. Der Rhythmus dieser jüdischen Sache war alles Komödie.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I just talked to Modi. He's like the biggest star for Jews in the world.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It's crazy. Right, right. He's so Jewish. Modi ist wie der Russell Peters von... Von den Juden. Ja. Es war so lustig, weil ich es nicht anders lesen kann. Er kam hierher und hat seinen Moshuak-Energie-Hat. Es ist so ein erstaunliches Ding, dass Dinge für Leute verändern, dass es so ist, wie es war, weil es auf Zoom-Shows passiert, dass er diese internationale Sensation wurde.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I may be done with roller coasters, but I think if you like the roller coaster situation, you'll enjoy it. I don't even need to plug it. It's still a little queasy. It was yesterday. Think about what you can accomplish in three to six months. You could pick up a new hobby and get okay at it if you really work on it every day. You could do about half of your New Year's resolution.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Like he was like we've known him forever. You know, he was doing Jewish corporates, him in a long gold or whatever. Right. But he started doing these characters on online during the pandemic and they took off. Oh, wow. And now he's got this international following of Jews of all ages. That's amazing. And he's another one who's out and and, you know, and very Jewish.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And he defies, you know, stereotype in a way. Like he came over and he did the thing. Und dann, eine Woche oder zwei später, bekomme ich eine Packung von ihnen. Und es ist ein geframmter, ich glaube, es ist der Shema, richtig? Und die Note sagt, ich habe bemerkt, dass du nicht einen Mezuzah außerhalb deines Hauses hattest.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Und ich dachte, es war ein sehr kinder jüdischer Gest, aber ich dachte, es war ein bisschen Feuer.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Genau, genau. Es ist so, dass du nicht den Mut hast. Or the wherewithal to put a mezuzah outside your house. Maybe you would hang this inside the doorway. Because you're a Jew. That's how I read it.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Keepers of the flame. We put it up, you know.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Das ist eine tolle Geschichte. Weil Mezuzahs eine jüdische Schrift drin hat. Ja, ich glaube, es ist ein Shema. Ja, ich erinnere mich, als ich Mezuzahs rausgenommen habe und dachte, wir machen etwas sehr Schlechtes. Wir nehmen das aus Mezuzahs. I don't have any good stories.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, I don't know what the hell is. I think there is a hell, but I'm not that deep in. I think that, you know, maybe if you get deep into the Torah, there's something. I don't know what it is.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
This is it. Ich hoffe. Ich hoffe, dass es keinen Schaden gibt. Aber ich habe keine guten Geschichten. Aber zurück zu meiner Mutter und ihren Gewichtsschäden. Das ist die einzige Geschichte, die sie mir erzählt hat. Sie hatte eine Großmutter, die polnisch war. Meine Großmutter, Goldies Mutter, lebte mit ihnen. Traumatisch.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, good stuff. All right, Jew. All right, Jew. We had a pretty good Jew talk. I like doing that now. Like, I like talking to Modi. I like talking to Ravi. And Jessica Curzon was in here. And we spent 10 minutes just talking about, you know, the generation of our grandparents' names. We're just naming people. Wow.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But your name wasn't different, was it? Silverman, Silverman.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Maren, like apparently that's the name. People are always like, what was it? I'm like... And it was Marin.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Yeah, my grandmother was Mastowitz. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My Goldie was Fear. F-E-I-R. Whoa. Yeah. Goldie Fear. Ich weiß nicht, ob das kürzer war oder nicht. Sie hatte einen Bruder namens Georgie.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Nein, ich denke, es könnte Golda gewesen sein. Vielleicht. Ich weiß es nicht. Und dann hat meine Mutter irgendwie, weißt du deinen hebräischen Namen?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Meiner ist wie Michael. Es ist so nah, als würde es Michael sein. Michael David.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Oh, you're going to do that tomorrow morning.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Well, thanks for stopping by. And the special was great.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
There you go. Sarah Silverman and me catching up. Her new special Sarah Silverman Postmortem is out tomorrow, May 20th on Netflix. Hang out for a second, will ya?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Hey Folks, you can check out the first time Sarah did a full WTF episode if you have a WTF Plus subscription. It's episode 116, which is only available to subscribers.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It's amazing, right? Deadlines are amazingly helpful.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Do you work like that? Do you write jokes?
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I think it's better than flying to Turkey to get, like, I don't know how they do it there, where they just pull a flap off your ass and put it on your head. I guess I'm fortunate in that. My hair is fine, but it's not... It's not falling out. My hairline has gotten higher. My forehead has gotten bigger. But I guess because of my age, I welcome it. I am not freaking out about it.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It is interesting to me. But I guess understandable just how much of a man's ego hangs off of their head. In small strands that somehow defines 40 to 85 percent of their masculinity. And I understand not being condescending. I'm fortunate, but I am letting mine slowly recede until I have one of those situations where got a nice full head of hair and back, but not much in front.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
But it's happening slowly. Maybe I'll get through the life without it. going too far back. I don't know. I don't know. There's things I just don't know about life, folks. So, I, you know, I shot this special a week and a half ago. And there was part of me that was kind of like, oh, I'm gonna take a little time, man. I'm gonna get off the road, take a break from comedy.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
But needless to say, I was back at the comedy store last weekend. And I don't know, you know, something happened. Something happened. In the special, well, you guys have known me a long time. There's always some part of me before I go on stage at a comedy club where it's not my show, but a show.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
There's some part of me that thinks I don't know how to do it or that I haven't been doing it all my life or that somehow or another I'm just not going to do well or that the audience is not going to like me. It just never goes away. And it's so annoying.
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Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And I think, again, what I was talking about last week about this medicine I'm on, giving me a little space to assess these old patterns, these psychological habits. It's interesting, the ones that are just totally unfounded and kind of just an anxious habit that I do to continue to be in anxiety so I don't ever give myself a break. But the other night at the store, it was packed, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It was packed. Both rooms were packed. The place is great. It's always great. It's a fucking comedy store. And I went back because it's part of my social life. I like to see other comics. I like to ground myself at the store. I feel part of that place. It's part of my community. Aber es war interessant, weil ich im Hauptraum war und sie machten es anders.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Es war ein kontinuierliches Show, wie das originale Raum, wo es nur 15 Töne gab, 12 oder 15 Töne. Ich hatte einen 9 Uhr-Spot, der meistens um 8 Uhr beginnt. Also bin ich nach vorne gegangen. Und es fing an um 7.30 Uhr an, also bin ich jetzt am 7. Und es ist literally gepackt. Und das Raum ist wie 400 Leute gepackt. Und es gibt einige große Töne, die große Sachen machen. You know, who was on?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Well, I think Eliza was on, Harlan Williams and Whitney and then some, I can't remember who opened, but it was like, there's a tone to comedy. Like, I don't, I'm not the guy, I don't like a party atmosphere when I do comedy. I like some, I like it to be settled. I like it to be focused. I don't, I don't like, I don't need like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Like, oh, here we go. You guys ready? It's just like, just take it down a fucking notch. So I'm breaking my brain backstage. I'm like, it's packed. They're having a good time. They've seen like nine other people. They're all full of the juice. And I'm going to go up there and I'm going to bring them down, I thought. But it was kind of interesting because I've been... Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
I went on after Whitney and I got out there and look, I'm going to talk about politics a little bit. And I realized, and you'll see this in the special too, that there is a different tone to it sometimes. But then at some point I'm just, you know, you'll watch it in the special. I'm like, I just want to be entertaining. Because I think we need entertainment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Now that I've said my piece about how I see the world and what's happening, how about some entertainment? And I do these two bits, that full piece about evacuating the fires with my cats. And I went out there and I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking or why I always assume that I'm going to be at odds. with the audience or at odds with people or whatever, or why I feel like I'm the outsider.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It's just, it's not true. Somebody tell my brain, it's not true. But the reason I'm talking about this, and I'm happy that I notice it and I don't take it for granted, is that I just went out there and killed so fucking hard. And I guess I did have a good time. Because I didn't expect it. I thought I'd have half the house with me on the politics and then I'd be kind of
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Ja, kind of trying to get out of that. But that shit killed. Everybody knows what's going on. Everyone's fucking nervous. Everybody knows it's fucked up of all, you know, all right wing, left wing, Republican, Democrat. After a certain point, there's no way to deny it's fucked up. And if you really think it's going great, there's something wrong with you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
You're not a great person if seeing the amount of people that are scared or in pain or being denied their rights or their voice or ripped out of their homes. If that's something that you think makes this country what it is, then there's something wrong with you. And I don't know, it just, it landed in a way that was so explosive. And then I did the cat piece and it's just huge.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
It was just, it was felt good to kill that fucking hard and to know that, you know, in my fucking bones already that I can do that. And then there's part of me that thinks like, well, why don't you just do that all the time? Why do you choose to do material sometimes that is provocative or challenging?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And then I guess the answer to that is, it's like, well, you know, I don't want it to be easy for them. I don't want to, what am I supposed to do, just make them laugh? Come on, man, let's take it to the edge. Mal sehen, wie weit wir gehen können und noch die Lachen bekommen. Schau dir das mal an. Lass uns in den Tunnel gehen. Mal sehen, ob wir eine Lache in dem dunklen Ort bekommen können.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
Aber das ist nur ich. Aber ich kann es lichten. Ich kann nur lustig sein. Und es war spannend, das zu tun. Okay, schaut mal, ihr Jungs. Sarah is here. And I think I've known her since she was like 18 or 19 years old. And now we're grown people. And it was kind of nice to have a grown-up conversation with Sarah Silverman. Postmortem, her new special premieres on Netflix tomorrow, May 20th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1644 - Sarah Silverman
And it's very touching. It's very sweet. It's about the passing of her stepmom and her father within months of each other. But she really kind of Kind of keeps the balance. It's really something. Alright, this is me and Sarah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And were you actively trying to get your steps in as the witch?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I want to get my steps. Yeah. I guess I'm not that obsessed.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It's weird how I have not figured out a way to fully make that time constructive. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, me too, generally. But if I'm sitting in the trailer, I'd rather be sitting on set. I'd rather be looking at food. Let's take another walk around where the food is. You're still not going to eat that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't bring mine to the set, but I make my own food.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But when you're doing the steps, you take the witch shoes off, right? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Do you do the ones that are closer to the ground? Depending.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
We'll be posting the latest Ask Mark Anything bonus episode next week. Just go to the link in the episode description to submit a question. What have I been doing? I went to an art opening. I did. I went to an art opening. Nick Kroll's wife, Lily Kwong, she does a lot of work with plants. I know that sounds odd, but I think it's a photographic process.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And doesn't it beat your body up pretty bad?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Have you figured out what you're running from?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So you can get like, because for me, I never really identified the dopamine situation. Oh, my gosh. But it's like it becomes essential to your sanity. Yeah. If you don't do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And I don't feel like I'm running from anything. But if I can get to that point where I'm not thinking about how far I'm running. Yes. Because time goes by a lot faster. If you don't listen to music.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't sometimes. But I notice when I don't, it goes by faster. Yes. I don't quite understand why that is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
What I notice, too, is sometimes when... I'm running and I am hung up on the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Like I always think like before I check, like I'll take the towel off of the treadmill and check how long I've run. Every time I think like I've passed, I will check the mileage at exactly the same time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
No matter what. Yeah. And my brain's sort of like, no, we're much further along.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So what about your diet? Do you just eat regular food?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Oh, yeah. Well, taste. But you don't get hung up on protein?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I like the texture. I don't like the texture of tofu.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Well, yeah, if you use the soft tofu. Yeah, I've seen an Instagram influencer do that. And I follow a bunch of vegan influences. I'm like, how am I going to make that? I had kind of a disappointing vegan breakfast today. I'm just trying to recover from it. What did you have? Sometimes when you go to restaurants, there's just too much glop. What is that? What is that made of?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
What is it supposed to taste like? And there's too much of it. And it was annoying. The glock.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't know if they're called... Are they called photograms? There's a lot of pieces where the actual plants are laid onto photographic paper, and then there's some... You know, the process of exposure and the process of developing the paper. And it's very it was very interesting. It was a beautiful show. It's always nice to go to the art opening. Saw some old friends there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
No, it's not good. Yeah. You want to struggle.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Sometimes it's too much sugar. It's sugar and everything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I know. And if I have too much sugar, like I did on these, like whatever the guap was on a pancake, like then I'm chasing the sugar all day.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Well, I'm glad we covered all the fitness stuff up front. The on-cloud stuff, though. Now I got to, like I used to have a guy over there. He'd give me the shoes. You getting them for free? You've got to work it out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't know. Who's in charge of your things?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, if you like those on shoes, you should be getting a dozen boxes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I just met a guy one night at the comedy store when I was working. He's like, you know about these shoes? I'm like, no. He's like, I can get you some. I'm like, all right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Immediately. We'll try to get the word out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I have the hiking ons. They make a hiking on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, they used to make like a full hiking boot, both ankle and low cut. But now they have a low one that's basically a hiking sneaker. I've worn those. You've got to be careful, though.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Well, no, just in height. It doesn't matter. Like a dog bit my ear yesterday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yes. And I'm in the middle of shooting something, so I'm sort of like, no, fuck. It's right by my face. How did... I was sitting down, and my girlfriend's dog bit my ear. Oh, God. It's a crazy dog.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And then I was going to go on a hike today, but I'm like, I don't want to go on a hike, because what if I fall down on my face? Yeah, then, like, you're shooting, and now it's like, if you're shooting at a sequence, they're going to have to be like, maybe you just hurt your foot in between those... And then I got all paranoid that they're not going to be able to fix me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I can't hike. Because I fell down once on the hike. And I'm old. And when I run down, there's always the menace. Oh, yeah. Which is great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't want to be like, hey, you got to, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But what was funny was I saw Jonathan Ames there who had been on this show maybe a couple of times years ago. He was consumed in panic. And I ran into who else was Ed Helms. Oh, this is what happened. The art was great. It's down at the... The space is amazing. I think it's called the Night Gallery. But it was nice to go to that. So anyway, I run into...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It gets so scary now with the climate because you don't know what you can get through. Oh, my God.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Oh, so the whole seven miles is in the hills?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah. Anytime I see someone walking on that, I'm like, that's not a good story.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
How long have you lived here? I thought you lived in London.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
That's when that happened? Yeah. With Jennifer Hudson?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You won a prize. I did. A couple. A couple prizes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I better figure it out soon. I want to still be able to appreciate it. I don't want it to be too late. I did it. I won the prize. It's so funny because you were in the Aretha show, right? That's right, yeah. Because my friend, who I've known forever, David Cross, played Wexler. And I played Wexler in the Jennifer Hudson movie. And I wanted to do dueling Wexlers with David Cross.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I mean, I don't know. Because with our film, there's a lot of stuff in terms of our movie. I don't think the estate even let us touch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I mean like a baby. She was a baby. Yeah. And that, like, it's so weird when you see... How did you approach... The character. What was this? What was this? Because she had this kind of interesting because there's so much footage of her early on, you know, being shot on TV where she has almost a flat affect.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And it just seemed like somebody who was in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Ed Helms, who I haven't seen in probably decades, probably since he's done this show, and he's a nice guy, banjo player. He famously did this show, and he was having a cat allergy, and he was just wheezing out there in the old garage, and I didn't help him. I needed to get that allergy. He's going to play some banjo. He got through it, but I felt bad that I...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, because she was on Stockholm Syndrome.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It was bad. So it's an interesting thing to have to play.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Right, but then she was also informed by a certain amount of activism.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I just met the guy who, I talked to a guy on the airplane. who was involved with finally getting Amazing Grace into the movies. Like, you know, that thing had been sitting around forever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, because they just shot it like a regular movie. There was no sound mix. Sidney Pollack shot it, and it was sitting in a vault for years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Because he was like, you know, almost like a comedian hosting the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah. I watched Harriet, yeah, last night.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I'm like, I better get up to speed. Yeah. And I can't imagine that role. You know, it's what I was thinking about, because I know that you got some flack for it. And it's like, I think about, you know, that kind of flack in general, like why is this person playing this for whatever reason? Because we're the real people, whatever it is, Americans.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But in reality, you know, I saw your statement on it, is that your experience is a black experience, which is universal, really. But aside from that... Harriet Tubman probably was in fairly close proximity to actual Africans.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So, like, there's an earnestness to you doing it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Kind of kept him wheezing to get through the show. But anyway, so I'm talking to Ed and he goes, I got a split. And I'm like, where are you going? He's like, this is going to sound weird. but I'm going to a listening party for Ringo Starr's new record. And I remembered that I had been invited to that by T-Bone Burnett. This is not dropping names. I get invited to nothing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But also let go of living in, even though it's a movie, but living in the reality of how people were treated, of slavery.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I mean, I talked to Lupita Nyong'o about, you know, 12 Years a Slave, not specifically, but, you know, just watching those scenes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And seeing the sort of like the entitlement of the people that bought into the system, the white people, as it not like the fact that there was a cutoff at all.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And sadly, you see it now in the political world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Just the brain fuckery that has to happen. Well, now people are so disconnected, you can just deliver the brain fuckery right to their phone. So they can just sit there and, you know, their phones are rewiring brains. I mean, racism is one thing, but expanding it into a belief system that shouldn't exist anymore is fucking crazy. But did you grow up with much of that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Really? Well, they invented it, kind of, in the modern world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But out of nowhere, weeks ago, when I was shooting the movie, T-Bone had emailed me, and we don't talk, but he said, this is happening. And I just spaced it out. And Ed said, he's going. I'm like, oh my God, I think I was invited to that. Where is it? And he's like, it's in Santa Monica. I'm like, ah, fuck. So I'm like, well, fuck it. I'm going to go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And it's interesting because I – you know, the difference between – The racism, it's all racism, and I've had conversations about it before, but the difference between colonialism and slavery is, and I'm just thinking about it now, you know, one brought hostages, kidnapped people, and the other one, they just took over.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And then, but the attitude's still the same, and the oppressor is still the same.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Right, because it's happening over there. Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I have no sense of it, of Africa. You know, when I talk to people from Africa, I'm always like, well, what is it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
That's like being in America and someone goes, how's Alabama? I'm like, I've been there twice.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Since, you know, like things are different. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah. Yeah. And were you was there like culturally when you're growing up, were there things that you that existed in your household that were specifically from your mother's sort of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You know, it's one of those things where it's like, I don't know what it's going to be like, but it'll be a room full of people sitting probably with Ringo Starr listening to his new record. So I'm like, fuck it. Let's go. And I got there. It was down at Village Studios in Santa Monica. A lot of stuff happened there. I don't know. I was scrambling. So we drive down there. We're in separate cars.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It's so weird because I just talked to Joe Boyd, who is a music producer and kind of a brilliant guy. He just wrote this huge book. Called The Rhythm, it's literally a meditation on the roots of music.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And as you're saying what you're saying, it's similar to food. I mean, all this stuff, like, you know, it's all... All connected. Yeah. Already connected. So how do you, like, how do you begin... Getting into music. But before that, how many brothers and sisters do you have?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So how'd she get involved with that? Did she grow up with medicine?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, we don't have anything like that. And most people wouldn't be covered for it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Isn't that amazing kind of like empathy and concern for others that, you know, it's so important and doesn't get the respect it deserves, you know?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But you weren't attracted to the sciences at all?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Did you study anything with medicine or were you going to go a different direction?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I show up. I didn't know what to expect. And I see like, well, they recognize me because I did Conan with them, the milk, the milk carton kids, Kenneth and Joey. And they were like, hey, what's up? I'm like, these guys, I know these guys. And then it's just in this large room. There were some snacks there, a little bar. There was a lot of a lot of like solidly proud, gray haired people there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So the levels are like community, psychology, spirituality within countries, villages, towns, cities, that kind of thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
How it keeps me together, how it breaks people apart.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I talked a little bit about this with that guy who wrote that book.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And also it's interesting, I guess, if you turn that around to kind of think about the type of person that likes a certain thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You're going to have to tell them they're sad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You're going to have to stop listening to this for a little while.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Oh, my God. Well, there's lots of guilt, but like, yeah, I grew up Jewish, but I'm not that religious. And, you know, there, but like I never, until I visited Italy. Yes. I was like, man, this is, it's like bordering on witchcraft. Oh, my God. Every church you go into, there's like 100 dead wizards everywhere. It's like, how many popes were there? What is with these body parts? It is a lot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It's intense. It's intense. Those churches were built to just brain fuck the peasants. It's intense. You walk in, you're like, what?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You have the big robes and the smoking orbs.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, yeah. But you sort of evolved into your own sense of faith.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Singing to me is the most vulnerable of things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And I just know that from personal experience because I was so terrified of it. I've overcome that in the last five years to sing publicly. But to me, it's sort of like, I don't even know why it's so loaded. But the risk of not being received singing is just terrifying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It's always nice to see the proud gray hair and a lot of like seem like, you know, kind of groovy aging rock women rock who were once rock girls. It was just it was an interesting mix of people. I ran Ed Begley and his wife were there, who I know. Joe Walsh was there because I believe he's married to Ringo's wife's sister. And, you know, I had interviewed Joe and I said, hey, how you doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It is, right? Yeah. So it's weird because, you know, in that weird movie, Bad Times at the El Rio, you actually go through that. Yes. As a singer, you can see everything you were just talking about. The vulnerability of not knowing you're being watched and then working on it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And then when you cross over, you know, post, you know, not dying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Then you fully realize your voice. Yeah. But it's all in that movie of all the movies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But it's like literally explored like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
The other ones you're just like you're singing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So it's interesting that, you know, when people make assumptions about musical actors. Yeah. The assumption is that like, well, now they got to learn how to act. And it's like people don't realize that when you're a musical actor. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And you're acting almost harder and more intensely than anything's going to be in a one-on-one thing. Yeah. Because it's got to be huge but also intimate. It's crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But so where did you study the acting? You studied at the big place, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah. So when you got in, were you like, what?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It's me, Mark Brown. I don't think he had any recollection, but he was very polite. But Stephen Stills was there. So that was kind of crazy. And it's very casual. You know, there's maybe 70 people there. And I imagine they're mostly friends of Ringo's. And I've never talked to Ringo. I've never met Ringo. I've never been in a room with Ringo. I'd like to have him on the podcast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Was it one of those moments where everyone in the room was like, uh-oh?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And then you just spoke up? Yeah, just gave her the line.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It's always exciting if you in your life are ever in a position to meet a Beatle. One of the magic people. And Ringo is so specific. He's specifically Ringo. But he wasn't in the room when I got there. I'm hanging around. That Tyson fight was supposed to happen later. And I'd gotten myself into that fucking mindset of like, yeah, I just want to see Tyson kill that guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It was just like, yeah. How are you with Shakespeare in general?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So after Radha, you just start doing the musicals.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, they were pretty songs. And so when you did, what was the first big theater musical?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But by the time you get the color purple, I imagine you're staying at nice places.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Like... Hard. Man, I interviewed the guy who directed the movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And, you know, I went to a screening for, you know, Friends and Family. And so much of the cast from the original production on Broadway was there. And it was so overwhelming. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
No, I don't know. I don't either. Why? Were you up for the part?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But to do that part at all. Yeah, it's hard. That's a weight. I mean, that is, you know, and that I imagine on some level, you know, prepared you for all of that. But it certainly prepared you for Harriet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But I don't think that was even a real fight. It's more of a wrestling match, right? It's the age of the heel, right? And I just feel like it was all set up. It was a thrown fight for big money that was not even on the professional fight docket, if that even exists anymore. And it just seemed like... That dude, that influencer, it's like this is the age of the amateur and the age of the heel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So like they're... In some ways, sadly, I guess, a type of honesty starts to happen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, if you want it to be a real connection.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Her big breakout in the U.S. was on Broadway in The Color Purple. She's been in Bad Times at the El Royale, which I liked. And she played Aretha Franklin in the Nat Geo series Genius. And that was with David Cross playing... Jerry Wexler, who I played in the Respect movie. I always wanted to... I think I told Cynthia that. I've always wanted to do like a dueling Wexler thing with... With Dave.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
In a personal way. Yeah. And you don't have control over it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But I don't know what was up, you know, but I got into the mindset like I'd like to see Mike beat the shit out of that guy. And then I realized like this is fucking wrestling, man. This isn't boxing. This whole scam is a wrestling scam. He's a fucking heel scam. Yeah, who would have known that Mike would be the face?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Oh, not opening night, just for you as a person.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Sometimes when you think about acting, you think it's acting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But in order, you've got to put yourself out there to get to the truth of the scene. I mean, you can get away with it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You know what I mean? But it's the difference.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You know, if you're going to show that vulnerability, you don't know how it's going to be received. Right, right, right. And I think if you're self-conscious, you're like, well, why even make that an option?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You know, it's not about money. It's not about, you know, putting on a show. It's about, you know, seeking the truth in the moment of that, in that scene or in that story. I mean, once you do that once, you're like, you can't go back. No, no, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah. On the spectrum of that anyways, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So when you do something like – because I saw Wicked. I went to a screening with a bunch of people. I don't know the show. No, that's fine. I like musicals, but I don't seek them out. But every time I go, I'm crying. I don't know why. Yeah. But it's quite a spectacle. Yes. And, again, I have to assume that it's lighter in the sense of like you're green, not black. Mm-hmm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But you're still, all of it's informed by similar stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So had you done that show on stage? I had not, no. And what was your experience with doing it? Did you love the show?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But anyway, so we're hanging out, I'm eating the hummus and Ringo comes in and I was just like, I gotta, I gotta meet Ringo Starr. But there was people around him and I have no way in. And believe it or not, I'm fairly nervous still with, you know, most people who are, I didn't even know how to, I was terrified of Stephen Stills. He strikes me as a frightening guy. He's very intimidating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
In what way? For you or just in terms of the director? Oh, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But I don't know the show. How much was different? Because it seems to be informed in a lot of ways with politics to a certain degree.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It's political in the sense not to alienate anybody, but it's political in the sense of just the fundamentals of like – I guess you would call it – it's not quite fascism, but it's how – People in power lock into creating victims for the sake of building a mass ideology to maintain power. Correct.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And you're the champion of the talking animals. And that becomes – because I would never – having not ever seen the show, I'm like, oh, so the witch was good. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Right. I was totally engaged, and I can't believe there's another one. I did get to the point where I'm like, they're not even going to finish it. we will we got a second one no I know I know but like I'm like but I just like I was here the whole time now I gotta wait oh my gosh you wanted the second one straight away well I would have like maybe ate something taken a breather Yeah, I want to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But, you know, Stephen Stills was one of, he's one of the best, one of the best singers, certainly songwriters. But I did end up meeting him and his wife and I met Ringo and I was there with a little circle of people and they were talking about Richard Lewis and Ringo was talking about Richard Lewis and we were talking about how we missed Richard Lewis. But he's so Ringo. She's so fucking Ringo.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Did you shoot it already? Yeah, it's shot. Oh, it's all done.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Wow. Yeah. How long did you shoot that? Like over a year?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Like, she really does that thing really well.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah. Yeah, I was surprised and excited. And, you know, it had enough stuff in there. Like, and I guess it was always the nature of the musical. Yeah. Because with a musical, it really has to appeal to, like, all ages.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Like, there's definitely stuff in there that kids aren't going to quite get. Yes, correct. It's so weird when you really look at that, like, not just the musicals you've done, but almost all these great musicals. It's like, there's some dark shit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, it's definitely there. Well, great job. Thank you. And it was nice talking to you. You too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I enjoyed that conversation. Talented person. Wicked is in theaters this Friday. Hang out for a minute. People, five years ago today, we posted my conversation with another Broadway star, Nathan Lane. It's episode 1072. And, yes, Nathan, it was a great talk.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Oh, you did research on me? Yeah. Oh, okay. Of course.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
No one has ever called me on that, but you're right in... In assuming that there is... You know, Danny DeVito got a great talk.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
It was good. Again, a great talk with Nathan Lane on episode 1072. And you can listen to that for free right now wherever you are listening to this episode. If you want all WTF episodes ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Go to the link in the episode description to subscribe or go to WTFpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder, before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Ringo is. And everyone just sat around and listened to his new country record that was produced by T-Bone who didn't come. But it was very exciting. And I don't know. It's not this is not some humble brag or name drop fast. I was just, you know, I was in a room with Ringo Starr and he was being very Ringo Starr like and it was enjoyable. And the record was also enjoyable.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Boomer lives. Monkey and Lafonda. Cat angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Oh, you want me to catch you up on the vacuum situation? So I gave the spark vacuum. I think that's the brand to kit. And the broken vacuum is out here waiting to be taken away by me when I get, you know, it's not in it's in Whittier. It's not in Downey. And I've got the other Dyson. I got a lot of input on the vacuums. Anytime I talk about practical things, I get a lot of input.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I know, the meal vacuum, everyone loves that. But I've gotten kind of accustomed to these Dysons. I like the Dyson. They break, I get it. But I just went and got the, you know, I went and bought the new animal, the Animal 3, and then someone... emailed me and hit me to the fact that they, they actually suck too hard, but I, so I got another animal too, and I'm all good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I got the broom style vacuum and then I got the animal too, and that's it. And the broken one. So we leveled off on that. So Cynthia, Cynthia Erivo, truly talented person. I went and watched wicked. I enjoyed it. I don't know the play. I don't know the movie. It's just part one. Yeah. That's what I found out. But it's pretty, and the singing is nice, and she's great in it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But she's also done a lot of stuff, and I was very interested to talk to her about her life. Wicked opens in theaters this Friday, November 22nd. And this is me talking to Cynthia Erivo.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So wait, tell me about this big show business event.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
The gala, the Academy. Is it the Academy Awards or just the Academy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And they have just stuff from the history of show business?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, yeah. You know what? I think I saw the Kubrick one there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So you get this gig. They're like, we want her to sing there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
How do you feel generally about those kind of gigs?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But I had a great conversation with Cynthia. I'll be back on tour starting in January, Sacramento, California. I'll be at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. Napa, California at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado, Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th. Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 18th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
That's how I know that I'm not in the big time. There was never a point where I said, I guess I better buy a tuxedo. No.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, you're better off going with something unique, maybe a kilt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
That's true. Yes. I remember the kilt period.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't know. Historically, there's no reason for me to wear a kilt. I couldn't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Well, I don't understand that whole outfit. I don't understand where it comes from historically. I don't know why that's a thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I like the idea because it's very provoking. Now a lot of people will be like, I'm going to have to put this on pause.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
You know, even if you're wrong, people are going to learn something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't understand my fitness watch. Do you wear one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But I got enough sleep. Because I exercise too. I don't know if I'm as... I do it compulsively, but I don't know if it's as much as you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Well, I mean, compulsive exercise just means on the days you don't exercise, you beat the shit out of yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Well, I got up and like my thing said I didn't recover properly. Like this one, I don't even know what it's based on. Recovery. Body recovery.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fuck nicks what's happening i'm mark maron and this is my podcast wtf ongoing ongoing going on. Today I'm going to talk to Cynthia Erivo. She's a Tony, Emmy, and Grammy winner. She was nominated for the Best Actress Oscar for the movie Harriet. Amazing woman. born and raised in London.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater. on Thursday, January 30th. San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. And Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, February 1st. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Also this week is your last chance to submit Ask Mark Anything questions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
I don't know. But it woke up this morning and like it said, you know, you didn't recover enough. And usually that's where I just push through because they give you an optimal exercise. But I'm like, it's not quite enough. So I'm over there. I got up early and I went and did that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
And I don't know. It kind of beat me up a little bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
But that's what you experienced, right? You just got obsessed with it. Is there a difference?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So the obsession with the watch is always going to lead to some sort of shame.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
Yeah, you get, well, I'm shooting. You can't have mom when you're shooting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1592 - Cynthia Erivo
So you're going to tell me that under the witch's outfit, you had your Fitbit on? Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But through the course of these shows, you're able to kind of have an autobiographical personal engagement with the material and then also explore the material that is foundational Ja. Ja. Kurt Anderson, about the book Fantasyland. And the very nature of what you're exploring in the dream is literally foundational to the beginning of this country. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
That the idea that a bunch of religious whack jobs came over here to escape tyranny and perhaps persecution and then just created this world of religious... Where they're tyrannizing and persecuting everyone? Sure, but also, but just the nature of... Preaching and snake oil is really the foundation of America. It is. And capitalism to some degree.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
That that concern and empathy and the panic ensuing from the situation is somehow mentally inappropriate. Go fuck yourself if you think that. Hold on to your brain. It's not Trump derangement syndrome. It's the normal reaction to the collapse of everything we know and understand. And look, you know, you're up against people that really...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
It's like the idea of Trump derangement syndrome.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Well, that's the system. It's all about, you know, winning means likes and money.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
That's her saving grace. She has a sense of humor about the end.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
What about this? How's your kid? Perfect. I mean, literally.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
And the whole thing is kind of a crapshoot in terms of like, you know, once you, I guess, I don't have kids because I just didn't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, but they are their own people and they will work stuff out. And I guess the trick is to make that struggle as easy as possible with the power that you can.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
That never worked for me. Do you want me to try right now? The overcoming shittiness, giving me confidence, never worked for me. It just made me realize that there's more shittiness coming.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yes, I don't know how that all happened, but I'm grateful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Where do you want to start? Well, I mean, I listened to, like, the incentive or the inspiration for doing this show, this series, The Dream, was personal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Believe in this process, but just know that your heart's in the right place. Can you dig it? Okay. Durham, North Carolina. I'll be at the Carolina Theater of Durham on Friday, March 21st. Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm at the Knight Theater on Saturday, March 22nd. And I'll be in Charleston, South Carolina at the Charleston Music Hall on Sunday, March 23rd. Then Skokie, Illinois.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
You know, you gotta wait till they get dementia to fish out the truth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Ja, ich weiß, dass ich ein bisschen darüber nachdenke. Die Poesie, wie man versucht, Informationen zu entwerfen. Was wirklich passiert ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
So that was the one thing she had in her will.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
To the psychologist. Yeah. And you're like, what, 16 or something?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I'm coming to the North Shore Center for the Performing Arts on Friday, March 28th. And Joliet, Illinois. I'm at the Rialto Square Theater on Saturday, March 29th. Then I'm coming to Michigan, Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire. And tickets are now available for my special taping in Brooklyn, New York at the Bam Harvey Theater on May 10th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Wow. Yeah. Not much older than me. Wie alt bist du? 61.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Aber das interessante an dieser bestimmten Part der Geschichte, als die Part, die du in dem Traum besuchst, ist, Is that like this is a fairly, you know, irresponsible, but relatively progressive story. Sure. You know, you're not submerged in some sort of, you know, grievance ridden town culture. No. I mean, these people seem like, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah. It sounds like they were both like not unlike my parents of a different generation growing up with you. Yep. Because they were so young when they had us.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, of course. And also, there's no boundaries. No boundaries. There's no, you know, everything's a manipulation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah. So is that how you rebelled? You just got all fucked up?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Because it was too boundaryless and fucked up?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Okay, do that. Today I'm talking to Jane Marie. Now, I've known her for years. She's a journalist and podcast creator. She used to work on This American Life. And then she launched her own podcast called The Dream. The first season focused on pyramid schemes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
So you cleaned up a little bit? I cleaned up a lot. So how do you end up at This American Life?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Is it one of Iris? It's John Hodgman. It's Hodgman, okay, tequila man?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
And then she did seasons looking at the wellness industry and life coaches. The Dream is now in its fourth season with new episodes weekly. Ah, yes, The Future of Medicine. The future of medicine, of treatment falls within the realms of the wellness industry. Yoga teachers, life coaches and guys with big ideas about what to eat. That's the future of treatment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Ich kannte einen Mann, der ein Tanzmann war, aber er machte kein Leben daran. Er war nur ein lokaler Charakter, der auf Punk-Shows und Tanz zeigte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Ja, ich weiß nicht, was mit diesem Mann passiert ist. Es sah nicht so aus, als würde es gut gehen. Welcher Stadt? Er war hier, aber ich glaube, er war auch woanders. Und ich habe gesehen, er endete in Utah, glaube ich. Ich weiß nicht, was mit ihm passiert ist. Ich schalte ihn nach dem Show an. Ich hoffe, er tut gut. Mal sehen, wie der Tanzmann fährt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Es ist schwer, nicht zu fühlen, als würdest du dich verurteilt fühlen. Ich liebe ihn. Ich denke, er ist ein Genius. Aber es gibt diesen Moment, wo ich denke, bist du mit mir verletzt? Ja. Meine Beziehung zu Ira, ich meine, außerhalb der Interview, die ich mit ihm gemacht habe, und ihn sozial hier und da zu sehen, war mein größtes Erfolg.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Eines von ihnen auf dem Podcast war, ein Live-Show in Brooklyn zu machen. Was ist der große Ort da draußen? Die Bell House. Die Bell House. Und auf dem Panel hatte ich Artie Lang und Ira. Er liebt Artie Lang. Ja, und für mich war das die größte Sache, die ich jemals erreicht habe, die beiden zusammenzubringen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Ja. Also startest du dann eventuell nur Segmente zu produzieren?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Don't worry, you can beat a virus if you just kind of focus and breathe and come from your core. Fight the virus from your core. Yeah, do that in a downward dog. Sure, man, just jack yourself up on vitamin A. That'll knock out... Hundreds of years of scientific research into how to maintain health up against the environmental pollutants and the evolution of viral bodies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But that's interesting. So this whole arc of this is you, you know, you're getting an education in a specific type of journalism.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I can manufacture it. Yeah. I think I can get it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Okay, okay. Okay? Okay. Okay, so that's a great story. But, I mean, what happens next?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But so all this kind of leads into, like, I mean, I think the dream is you really doing it. Yeah. Like this must be your masterwork at this point, this series, in terms of the approach and how you absorbed it and then learned how to make it your own.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
That's when I just keep interjecting until I get them around to something. That's my style.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I like your style. Well, thank you. So what drives you to do this thing? What about this multi-level marketing scam?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Nein, ich weiß, aber das war der Startpunkt. Ja. Du hast eine Entscheidung gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Du sagst mir, du hattest den ganzen Arc der Saison.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Was, glaubst du, hat dich das erlaubt, das zu machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, just think your way out of it. Take some vitamins, suckers. Yeah, great, great dealing with the shittiest Kennedy. So yeah, I've been kind of obsessed with... This idea, what do I fester about on a daily basis other than the future of the world? But it's just sort of like this notion of comedians who fought for free speech. And I'll say it again, it's always been free.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But the implications and the sort of foundation of the racket, it's really like, you know, this is the final turn of that particular American way of thinking with this presidency and fascism. Like fascism in its most basic form is a huge grift.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Ja, genau. But if it weren't for what you were talking about in your book and also in the podcast, if it weren't for the evolution of this, people might not have believed it. But they've been believing this bullshit forever. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Of course. Like Nate, I watched an old clip of Nate's about why he voted for Trump. Basically. Yeah. You know, which was like, well, you know, he's talking about winning. I want to win.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
So the second season was all about the health supplement?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Because again, this is prophetic. But it's very interesting, the mindset of it, that a person can easily turn on science and medicine because of suspicion and the amount of money it may cost. And then just throw all of their belief into stuff that is proven to be useless. I don't quite understand it, though I take vitamins.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I get it on a fundamental level, like why you wouldn't want to get vaccinated. I'm not sure I quite understand it, but I know myself, like, well, I should be able to fight that on my own.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Sometimes you get a little reaction, but sometimes that's what you're looking for. And if it's negative reaction, that doesn't mean you can't say it. So after all this kind of, you know, kind of whining about censorship from the left, quote unquote, I mean, what do we have?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Right, but they're also on the take from the company that's making the product, right? Sure. They don't have a piece of that. No. It all tracks back up to these people that are doing nothing, but pulling money in from people who spend, what, maybe a month to six months? In the company. Maybe a year. Spending money. Right. Of their own. How did Betsy DeVos get so huge? So huge in what way?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Like get appointed by Trump? How did Amway make so much fucking money?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
You know, you get these comics that compare themselves to Lenny Bruce, that it's the same fight that Lenny Bruce was fighting. And it really isn't. You know, he was definitely fighting for free speech, but a lot of the stuff that he would use in terms of stereotypes was to diminish the stereotypes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I remember some guy talked me into an Amway starter kit. No. No, when I was in high school.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Anyone can do it. You sign up, you get this package, you get a few products, and I tried to sell two things, and it didn't work out, and I was out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
No, I didn't do anything. I'm not driven that way. But when you're in high school, the guy's like, yeah, try it. And I'm thought like, all right. And then you just like if you don't have that kind of mindset, it's not going to stick. Yeah, I don't remember doing it. I think I sold some cleaner to my friend's mom and that was the end of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, I remember when I was in high school, there was a couple of moments where I'm like, this is the way to do it. Yeah. But I didn't have the wherewithal. I didn't have the ambition. I just thought, let's do it. And then somebody talked you out of it. If you're smart, you're like, oh yeah, that makes sense.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, but you also find something you believe in. I don't think that ambition is a point of view. It is its own thing. And you can apply it to whatever. But it seems like now it is sort of a point of view.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Aber es ist so traurig, Mann. Es ist so traurig, dass diese Idee von Suckern ist, dass wir alle ein halbes Sucker sind. Ja. Und du musst vigilant sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
That famous bit of him in front of an audience calling out all the different stereotypes of all the different people was not to marginalize them more, but to make people realize that there are names for all kinds of people and none of them have any meaning because we're all people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Ich denke immer an die Szene am Ende von Wolf of Wall Street, als dieser Typ zurückkommt und Scorsese wirklich auf diese Publikation konzentriert. And they really played it well, that bunch of extras.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Just that sort of like, you know, tell us what we need to do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
No, but I mean, that was the weak point. That was the Achilles heel of being able to render it all down to something that sounded bad. Aber wenn du wirklich, wenn du eine Person bist, die in liberaler Demokratie oder Empathie oder helfen muss, oder dass Menschen, die Hilfe brauchen, Hilfe bekommen sollen, sind das deutliche Dinge. Und irgendwie wurde es durch das Wort wach, es wurde ein Angriff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Es ist irgendwie unglaublich. Aber es geht direkt into this sort of like, why wouldn't you want a billion dollars?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
It's sort of different than the idea of focusing in on two or three stereotypes of marginal or minority groups, just because you get a little kick out of saying it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Das ist so komisch für mich. Du kannst Dinge von Leuten, die einen Handel auf Dinge haben, die du nicht hast, und einfach durchgehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Weil mein Bruder, der durch viele verschiedene Arbeiten gedreht ist und sehr selbstbewusst ist und immer ein Sucher war und sich wirklich an Systemen gewöhnt hat, die Selbstaktualisierung bieten. Aber er kämpft. And I remember there was a brief period there where he was just trying to keep his own fucking life together. He's like, I'm looking into getting into life coaching.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Because it's a racket. And even if they can't apply it to themselves, they can get a pitch going that is uplifting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
And it's just that I don't know how everything has been inverted, how, you know, the idea of Lenny Bruce has been absorbed by exactly the people that he would have criticized or the idea of comedy in terms of being aggressive like Bill Hicks has been appropriated by the people he would criticize or people like Hunter S. Thompson or whatever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
It's interesting that in one of the seasons there were two kinds of, they weren't necessarily suckers, but people that came to a realization about what they were involved in. One was sort of like, yeah, I got out and oh well. Fuck the suckers on some level. I don't do it anymore. But it wasn't really empathetic. And then there was the other guy that was like, oh my God, what am I involved with?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Right. Well, I know, I get that. But I guess like I'm always sort of stuck on the the profound lack of of empathy in any way. for the people that they're taking advantage of. I don't quite... I don't get it either. I can't make that leap to understand that part of the human... I spoke about it today on this episode.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
The point is, the idea of speaking truth to power is exactly that. You speak truth to power, even if there's a risk to it, in order to get that truth out there. It seems we're entering a phase where the sort of angle of free speech is to speak power to truth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Und du fängst an, deine Version von Gesprächspunkten oder deiner Beliefe auszuspielen, aber es gibt eine Manie dazu. Und ich denke, weil es um Technologie geht und weil so viele Leute Content kreieren, dass diese Manie, die wirklich Empathie nicht besitzt, es ist wirklich nur um Intensität und das Entwerfen deiner Beliefe, ob sie eigentlich auch deiner sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But that zone of engagement makes no real room for other people. Until you have to talk with other people. So if you're living in that, if you're isolated and just churning that, that's coming in and that's going out. You're literally putting some sort of wall between you and having actual human feelings.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Sure, but I'm just talking about that weird mania of opinion that doesn't even, you know, is not thoughtful. It's just sort of attack or intensity. And if you live in that, how are you going to be a functioning human?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Sure, sure. Those are the only things I almost buy. Bullshit kitchen stuff. That would be a good thing just to clip on my faucet for the sponge.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Oh, ich dachte, du würdest sagen, alt. No, I'm just not, like, I don't feed on that stuff. I've never been about money, which is my shortcoming, but also just... You're doing fine. Well, yeah. You're doing fine. It worked out. Yeah. But it was never, like, my drive has never been to make money. It's been to understand and communicate.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I like working. I don't mind working if I can find value in the work other than money, because that's not enough for me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
You're watching people have a good time or destroy their lives. You get the whole arc.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, it was fun. What are some of the other episodes this season?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I'm glad they're out there doing their own research. I know. We're going to answer all the questions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Because ideologically, so many of these people that are, you know, yammering about free speech, is their freedom to speak louder than those they are... Ja, genau. The entire politics of this nation at this point in time through the attack on DEI is about diminishing the voices of those who may not have them in the public sphere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Aber deine Interessenten sind im Spektrum, bestimmte Wahrheiten zu beweisen, die einfach und auf eine Art und Weise subversiv sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
smart and thoughtful. Trying to figure something out that will sustain either them or a community.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But it's an offshoot of AA. We had a reckon with one of those cults once when I was in New York, AA. There was this infusion of Bay Area weirdos that were called... I think they called them... It was called, I can't remember, they had a name for it. But it was definitely a cult within the cult. And generally AA distances themselves from that shit pretty quickly. Just by community reaction.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And that was kind of interesting. Yeah. That it worked like that. It's like, you're not doing the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
That still happens, I think, on Reddit threads and stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Where they're like, no, you're crazy and why are you posting this? Yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But also I imagine part of it was also being taught that this type of work is a pipe dream.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Ja, und diese Ideen ausprobieren. Und der Buch, also das ist grundsätzlich auf den ersten drei Saisons basiert? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, but yeah, and there's also that part of you that's sort of like, well, they do kind of know me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
We had a comment board on WTF back in the day and we took it down because any female guest would just get just garbage. And it's like, again, it's one of those things like, I don't get it. What is wrong with these dudes? I don't like, I mean, I can sort of... They're nagging everyone in the world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I guess, but there's also this disconnect, which is scary, that most people don't get to fuck. Mm-hmm. Und auch mit Dating-Apps. Ja. Aber es gibt nur diese Teil von mir, wo ich versuchen kann, zu empathisieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Oder nicht unbedingt empathisieren, aber zumindest, weißt du, weil ich meine unbegrenzungslose Natur habe, mit einem fast symbiotischen Weg, einem sofort kodependenten Weg, genug zu verstehen, wo sie herkommen. Ich kann viel von dem verstehen, was heute passiert ist. Ja. Because there's part of me that it speaks to and I manage that part. Because that's the bad part. And we all have those parts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
So when you start calling them names because it feels good and you feel free to do that in the particular room you're doing that in. All you're doing is insulating yourself in an ideology that is the current ideology of this country. So in essence, you are speaking power to truth because you represent that ideology. And there's really no courage in that, just divisiveness.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But there are certain behaviors where I'm like, what the fuck? What the fuck is wrong with that person? That person wrote that on purpose.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
It's a boy. Of... You know, DEI was to solve some of these problems on a societal level. Yeah. And now all that shit's gone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
And we don't. No. We don't anymore. No, some people really.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Like, you see, it's just something that happens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
There you go. That was great. I want to mention again that new episodes of The Dream are published weekly. You can also listen to past seasons on all podcast platforms. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Hey, Leute, vor zwei Jahren habe ich mit einem anderen Podcaster gesprochen, der einen langlaufenden und beliebten Show hat, Carina Longworth. Wir haben über alte Hollywood, neue Show-Business und die vergessenen Geschichte des Unternehmens gesprochen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Wenn ich über das, was Sie tun, denke, und ich weiß, dass der Podcast populär ist, aber ich wundere, wie viele Leute es noch kennen oder wie viele Leute es noch interessieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
It's not inclusive because inclusiveness has been deemed bad by this administration and by the current political climate. It's really about go fuck yourself. But wait, I'm just trying to shut the fuck up, take a joke. It's something I fester about. It's definitely something I fester about, along with soy milk and, you know, which boots I'm wearing or whether or not this belt is wrong.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But isn't that weird? Can you track that as a intellectual when that happened?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
The romantic, seedy, but glamorous world of Hollywood.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
We're out of the first century by a few years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Oh, there's always a lot going on in my mind. And also just why hasn't this person texted me back? That's ongoing. That is ongoing. Hopefully that will resolve itself soon without me spiraling into a panic about where that person is. All right. Well, that's where I'm at. How are you doing? So look, Jane Marie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Very interesting, interesting life, but also the work she's doing on The Dream is great. The Dream Podcast is now in its fourth season with new episodes weekly. You can get it wherever you get podcasts. And this is me talking to Jane Marie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
You and I have hung out before at different times, different points in your life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I know you, kinda. Yeah. I guess when I met you, you were at This American Life, is that when it was? Yeah. And then I met you again when you had a studio.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, Knicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How's it going? What's happening? Are you all right? I hope you're holding up. I got nothing but worry, man. I have nothing but worry in my head about all things. And, you know, I'm very tired of this idea of Vielen Dank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Oh, so you went out there. You were the one that they chose to sit there and shoot ideas at.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, and you had a nice time out there in Montecito?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
People are so fucking fascinated with them, with the Royals. I was actually in England after college or maybe after high school for a month on some exchange program. I was there for the Lady Di Charles wedding. It was crazy. Whoa, you're old. The entire world was. Das war verrückt. Ja, ich bin alt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Okay. Was warst du in Tokio? Ich glaube, ich war sieben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
Yeah, it's a long title, but maybe you can make the, what do you call it, the letters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
It's great. And you recorded a bunch of those? A bunch of those. And they're out? Yep. Wow. So you're a big mover and shaker in the podcast world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
What do you mean piano? You're still audio only, right? Yeah. So that's what we do too. But Brendan and I... I mean, I don't do like chat shows. But also we're not doing video. Right, I'm not doing that. I think the bigger shift was to video. Yeah. That's the piano. Not just the content. Right. Because there was a lot of podcasts around and they came and went.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But now people putting together full television studios, that becomes, that's the thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
I don't know. I think people, we've decided that people are kind of tiring of that and coming back to analog. So I think we are OGs and also a little easier to deal with.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1626 - Jane Marie
But you started at, like, how did you get here? I mean, I listened to a good chunk of the dream, at least the first season, and the way you weave your life in and out of these stories about, you know, the first season was multi-level marketing and then we go into the supplement racket.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Right, because anything you're going to do is going to take months. Correct. And, you know, you've got to lock in, so that would make it harder to do this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Yeah, I talked to Mangold the other day. And he had just gotten in. He was in Tokyo the night before. Yeah, that sounds about right. It's crazy. Because you can't... And I imagine it's something easier about locking into some pattern of discussion. Because you can't... It's not like you're going to be your mentally best self... Every time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Interrogation. It's a very strange thing, I think, in terms of how it's all approached now and the expectations of the artists. Because, I mean, there was a time where there was, what, three or four outlets that really did you justice. And those outlets had attention from the people that give a shit. And now none of those exist. And it's just this, like, shotgun effect.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
You're going to go say roughly the same thing to a hundred people and hopefully something connects.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Right, on a junket, where you're sitting in one place, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
No, when I promote anything, like if I'm in a movie or something, and you do these things where it's like, it's going to be two days, and you're going to sit in front, there's a million things to do, and they give you the list of outlets, and you're like, what the fuck, where is this? What is it? That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Well, that's one of the interesting things about where publicity is at, is that all these people are scrambling, and it seems that the most effective form of publicity, if you have the wherewithal, is self-publicity on whatever fucking platform you're involved with. But I don't know many directors that do that. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But it's, you know, I watched, like I saw The Brutalist over at the Los Feliz. So I saw it the way it was supposed to be seen. And I watched Vox Vox last night. And I've seen, you know, some of the stuff you've been in. But like, where does, you know, the thing about The Brutalist for me as somebody who's, I don't think I'm as much as a film fan.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
obsessive as you are, but it's one of those movies where you like, you know, where it's like I told my producer, I said, this movie's got a huge cock. Yeah, sure. But the scope of it, to sort of make decisions at that large about a personal story and to have like the impact, the only film I can compare it to usually is There Will Be Blood. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
He's the director of The Brutalist, which is a fucking swaggering bit of filmmaking. I mean, it's a big movie, man. And he's a young guy. And he's nominated for Best Director, Best Original Screenplay and Best Picture at the Academy Awards. He's also the director of Vox Luxe. And the childhood of a leader. This guy is a real fucking artist. And real fucking artists are hard to come by.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
It's hard to say. Or unimpacted other than some sort of trust or seat on a board of some kind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Ja, aber ich denke, der Cock-Element ist wichtig, weil die Beziehung zwischen einem Philanthropist... who supports the arts for whatever reason, and the artist, I mean, those are the two male egos you're dealing with, right? Of course. And them coming up against each other is kind of... It was fascinating.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
The size of the movie, given the notion of the story, I don't know how you created that intimacy, but I do... in Bezug auf die Charaktere, in etwas so groß. Aber ich habe es auch in Vox Lux gesehen. Ich weiß nicht, wer dein Künstler ist, aber es gibt etwas darüber, wie groß es ist, aber wie visuell und intim es ist. Ich weiß nicht, wie du das verstehst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Yeah, no, I get that. And like, well, the choice to, you know, find and use Scott Walker, For Vox Lux, that's kind of interesting. It must have been the last thing that guy did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Das erste Trump-Term oder direkt am Anfang davon. Und ich war so, oh, er, du weißt, er kam raus, du weißt, gerade in der Zeit. Ja, das klingt genau richtig. Die Leute waren so, du Arschloch, er hatte so viel mehr in ihm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
There just aren't that many. There are people that do things. And there are people that do things professionally. And there are people that do art. But real fucking artists. There's not a lot of them. And this guy is one of them. And I didn't know. I didn't know going in. If he was one of them or not. But it turns out, yep. Real deal. The movie's fucking amazing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Nope. And certainly in this particular day and age, you know, your record is very available. It's very available. At all times. Well, that's interesting in that, that the idea, the confidence of dissonance, generally speaking, that, you know, that sounded correct to that guy. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
It's just to keep you going another day. And satisfy something, but nothing too deep. Wenn du ein Kind bist, weißt du, wie du, ich meine, ich weiß, wer ich bin, in Bezug auf das, was mich aufgenommen hat, in Bezug auf Input und Dinge, in die ich interessiert war, aber ich bin 61. Also, wenn du ein Kind bist, in welchem Weltraum lebst du, in dem du Scott Walker hüpfst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I mean, it's kind of daunting and brainbending. Look, I am in Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel this Thursday, February 20th. Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater this Friday, February 21st. Louisville, Kentucky at the Baumhard Theater Saturday, February 22nd. And Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House on Sunday, February 23rd.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Aber es ist lustig, weil du das sagst. Natürlich Joseph Losey, aber die meisten Leute haben keinen Sinn, dass dieser Typ arbeitet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Right, exactly. Because, like, there was a, it was a world of intelligence that existed outside of our periphery.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
In March I'll be in Oklahoma City at the Tower Theater on Thursday, March 6th. Dallas at the Majestic Theater, Friday, March 7th. Houston at the White Oak Music Hall, Saturday, March 8th. And San Antonio at the Empire Theater on Sunday, March 9th, before I head to South by Southwest that week. I could use some help there in San Antonio at the Empire Theater.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And the guy telling me that, you know, you should listen to this. And they give you something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
It's wild that when you Wenn Sie sich an diese Dinge zurücksehen, haben sie Ihren Ansatz gegründet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Wir haben Scott Walker, Joe Lozzi und wer sind die Schauspieler, die da hängen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
So you have control of that when you shoot on film?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I mean, I think I can see that. Did you do that in Voxvox as well? Yeah, because I think that's what I was trying to talk about, about that, that visceral kind of intimacy that is is captured that you can't quite explain. But that kind of explains it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
You better buy some tickets or I might go to South by Southwest early. That's not a threat. But if you live around there, go. Because I don't want it to be fucking sad. You can go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Alright? Good? Holy shit. Ich sage dir eine Sache. Ich bin froh, dass ich die Fahrerhäuser habe, um Schnee zu navigieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Yeah, I think that's right. Well, that's interesting. So they had more control.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Well, also I noticed something just the other night and I don't know why it took me so long to notice it. I saw an Indie. It was a comedy. It was obviously something that these two directors were like put together for a few years. They had the script. And the film was serviceable. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But, you know, comedy is difficult because, you know, what's funny on the page and if you want to make it funny on screen, you got to have a couple of sets of chops there in terms of skill set. Yeah, totally. But filmically, it was just flat. And there's so many indies that, you know, these people churn out and they think it's their shot and they just want to sell it to a streamer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But there's no real vision there in terms of encompassing the medium of their working in. Und der Grund, warum ich das bemerkte, war, weil ein Mann, mit dem du gearbeitet hast, ich habe den anderen Tag mit Carrie Coon gesprochen. Also habe ich The Nest gesehen. Und du warst in seinem ersten Film.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Und ich habe die beiden, wie du weißt, in einem Tag von einander gesehen, diese Komödie und The Nest. Und ich bin so, naja, das ist die Unterschiede. Dieser Typ denkt über Film. Das ist richtig. Und nicht nur über diese Läufe, die in Ordnung sind, wenn wir sie einfach finden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Danke Gott, ich lebte in New York und in Boston während massiver Schneestürme, weil diese Fähigkeiten sofort zurückkommen. Es ist wie ein Fahrrad. And they've come in pretty handy these last couple of trips. I mean, look, I don't mind the cold weather. I really don't. I'm excited to wear layers. And I like my big parka with my fur around the hood that I got from...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Because if you're lucky, you have a producer that is, you know, willing to fight you all the way and you kind of come up with a vision.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Totally, totally. Read Crime and Punishment, but make sure you write down the names.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Well, I think that's what I was getting at with the producer that, you know, was different. Like at the time of in the 70s, when you had these auteurs, these American auteurs that had to really push back. You know, on vulnerable studios to honor their vision. Like, I guess I was thinking specifically about Robert Evans. Yeah, of course.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But it seems that with you, that at this point in time, because the business has expanded to such a degree and making an independent film is a different game, that, you know, you're able to forego having to fight with that executive structure in the same way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
from Joe Swanberg for doing easy. I mean, I like snow and I like winter and I like cold air. I mean, I like it for a day or two. But let me tell you something. It was really fucking cold. I mean, really cold. Lara Bites and I flew into Cedar Rapids last Wednesday. And I didn't even know if we'd make it. There's so much panic involved in traveling in the winter. So we land in Cedar Rapids.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Well, right. But yeah, but so the perks and the expectations of people who aren't necessarily on the creative side or what they think is the norm in ways of treating people requires these accounts to kind of do that stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Totally. I mean, there used to be a comedy festival in Montreal that was important at one time because it was before the internet, you'd see new people. But that's sort of gone away. And then you just start to realize over time, well, this is just three, four days or a week of executives on the payroll going there to party for a week. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And that's the way the whole business is, is you get these people that are in it almost for the perks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
It seems like there's like three feet of snow on the ground. I know I'm exaggerating. And it's a small airport and we walk out to the spot where our rental car is and the thing is buried in snow. And right when I walked out, my hand started to hurt so Von Kalt. Es war fucking verrückt. Und wiederum, ich grüße nicht. Ich bin es vorher durchgegangen, aber es sah ein bisschen intensiv aus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Well, on both sides for different reasons. That's correct. Because as it's evolving, all these people on the right who were yelling about free speech was really over a couple of words. Yeah, no, I think that's, I think it's absolutely right. I think what's hard is that
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Es fühlte sich an, als hätte ich vielleicht einen Finger verloren, wenn ich 15 Minuten warten würde. Ich könnte eine Hand verlieren. Ich meine, es war so, es war so fucking kalt. Ich konnte den kleinen Schrauber nicht finden. Also ich versuche, wir versuchen, den Auto rauszuholen. Es war ein sehr spannender Anfang. Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
No one wants to have a real conversation because they're too frightened. And it's frightened. It's frightened for one reason or another. Like, my fear, because generally, you know, I as a person who talks... and makes jokes, I don't mind necessarily adapting to humanizing language. Language evolves. And that's primarily around slang.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But the fear of saying something, as somebody with my point of view politically, If the fear starts to creep in that, you know, you're going to walk out of a theater and all of a sudden you're all alone out there at a hotel in Missouri, that you're unprotected and, you know, who knows, who knows you're in town. So that kind of fascistic, you know, terror, that's starting to creep up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But like we're entering a place so that like he's worried about offending liberals. So like, you know, as this whatever we're in evolves, the fear of offending fascists is a deeper fear because it's existential.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I've been ending my show saying like, well, hopefully this set will evolve into an HBO special that I'm shooting in May. And if that doesn't happen, you can say you saw me before the restrictions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Yes, that's correct. But going back, it seems that in your acting career, you went out of your way to work with guys who were risk takers. And I can't get Losey out of my head, because in the way that, if you watch some of those Losey movies, when they're over, you're sort of like, what happened? And you're not afraid to do that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And I think that on a capitalistic level, that's the biggest fear they have. It's like, what does the ending mean? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But that speaks to directly what we were speaking to, is that you put this stuff out there and then people project onto it. And in terms of culture and the way you talk about culture, especially political culture, people aren't really tethered to a sense of history or context. So it's all reactive. And they're posturing. And if enough of them posture at the same time, then some movement happens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Now tell me, getting back to the newest film, Let's start with, did you seek out directors that you would learn from when you were taking roles? Or did you just take roles? Lars von Trier, that's an outsider there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I know, like, if you live in that, you're probably like, shut the fuck up. But for me, it was kind of exciting. And I'd been to Iowa City a few times before. But sometimes, like, I just don't remember places until I get there. And I don't know if I ever noticed before this trip just how slow... Time goes by in the Midwest, maybe not all the Midwest, but maybe just Iowa.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But the story is sort of informed, like some people were saying, it's a sequel to the other movie that Adrian did. The Pianist. Which is interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But just as a character. No, of course. I talked to Adrian. But what is about your life that informed this story? I mean, it's a movie that... When you watch it, you're like, how did this not come from a book? So you kind of made a novel as a film that it's an original screenplay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
So what was the moment where you're like, this is the area that I'm going to explore because it'll get me to class issues. It'll get me to that period of capitalism. It'll get me to the Holocaust. I mean, it was a portal to a period in history, but also, you know, the struggle between art and commerce at that time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Now, this is not a criticism. All right. I mean, I know it can sound like a criticism because I come from a big city, but these there are two sides to it. I mean, look, if you want to get the most out of life and at the top of that list is time, like you want time to just seem like it just kind of. Ja, genau. I honestly think that's like getting the most out of life on a basic level.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Es ist interessant in diesem Film, dass du die Terrorismusakt in der zweiten Aktie nebulös machst. That shooting is shooting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But with this, with The Brutalist, you know, I think the depth of the movie in terms of, you know, what you're talking about is shifting culture, but also anti-Semitism that eventually becomes part of the arc a bit. Absolutely.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And just the struggle of an artist. I mean, it's all in there. But, you know, so your initial interest was with Vanderohe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Is if you can get through a half a day and feel like, holy shit, has it been a week? I mean, that's if you're enjoying it. That's if you've taken the zen to it, you know? It just kind of plods by. It's kind of zen, I think, in a way. The show in Iowa City was fucking great. Good people came out, nice bunch, probably 700 and change, my people. And as you know, I've been talking about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And then you get the American friend or cousin or whatever he was, who's who denied, who denies it completely trying to pass. Yeah, exactly. What's interesting to me in talking to you is that the depth of your empathy outside of the horror of genocide was really about artists being shut down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Also in Bezug auf die Erklärung des Spaces auf dem Kostenniveau, die Struktur selbst, war das die größte Herausforderung?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I've been a little nervous about going to the red states during this transition to a competitive authoritarian government and the seemingly conditional cultural free speech situation that we're experiencing. But the truth is, that there are large communities of like-minded or roughly me-minded people anywhere I go in this country.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Und ja, es war interessant. Und ich denke, dass die Charaktere der Struktur sehr wichtig wird, weil sie unbeendet bleibt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But at least the time, like, you know, as having done the small amount of acting I've done on a set, it becomes like that too, is the four hours in the trailer. Worth the five minutes. Because what are you going to do with your time? I mean, at the very least, you can say you were actively engaged with a process you had control over for a long amount of time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And I got to be honest with you, right now, there's a depth to it in the way that people get isolated. And certainly people that think a certain way in this particular climate are alone or festering by themselves. And just the fact that several hundred of them und lachen über den Horror, ist eine mächtige Sache. Ich fühle mich, als ob ich einen Service biete, aber ich mache nur Komödie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Ja, fasziniert, aber es schützt auch deine... Es ist eine Grenze, in einer Art. Du hast nur diese kleinen Teile deines Lebens, die du dir insulieren kannst. I want to take a bath. Yeah, exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Yeah, you don't want to worry about like, are you going to need the living room?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And now we can't do it anymore. Yeah, you can't do it anymore. Well, I appreciate that you are a worshipper in the Cathedral of Cinema.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And despite the length of time it took you to make this, I assume whatever you're saying now will shift a little bit as soon as you immerse yourself in the next thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Oh, das klingt aufregend. Danke, dass du gesprochen hast, Mann. Danke, Pal, ich freue mich. That was a great conversation. The Brutalist is nominated for Best Director, Best Original Screenplay and Best Picture at the Oscars. It's still in theaters. Go see it. And now you're all loaded up with what we talked about. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Und es ist ein bisschen kathartisch, es in diesem Umfeld zu tun. Ich bin nicht glücklich darüber, aber ohnehin ist es notwendig und ich fühle mich, als ob es eine gute Sache ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Hey Leute, am Donnerstag hört ihr einen tollen Gespräch, den ich mit Comedian Mo Ammer hatte. Wir haben über Komödie gesprochen, sein Netflix-Show und sein Leben als palästinensischer Amerikaner. Ich sage dir, nach dem letzten Special und in beiden Saisons des Shows, meine Begrüßung für Hummus und Olivenöl hat sich verändert. Ich habe neue Bedeutung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Well, you know, I always liked it, but like, you know, it's so omnipresent in both the special and the shows. I'm like, holy fuck, I've really got to consider this in a real way now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
What is this? Yeah, well, I'm relatively, I understand the purist approach to it because when I was in Astoria, you go to the Egyptian place and they give you hummus and you're like, I can't, no matter what kind of food processor I have, I can't, I can't get it to this texture. There's like no way I can get it this smooth. And I get obsessed with it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And even watching your show, I'm like, what is this special grinder that's going to get it this smooth? That episode with Mo Ammer is coming up on Thursday. To get every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Und die Wahrheit ist, ich bin nicht grundsätzlich ein politischer Komiker, aber ich bin ein Komiker, der darüber spricht, was passiert, was in der Welt passiert, aus meiner Sicht, was in diesem Land passiert, aus meiner Sicht, weil wir in dem leben. Ich kann nicht einfach auf der Bühne stehen und das nicht beantworten. Das ist einfach nicht, was ich tue.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Ich kann nicht auf der Bühne stehen und nur sagen, hier sind die Jokes. You know, we're living through something awful that may never go away. And I can't ignore it. So I talk about shit. I just talk about how I see it. I do that for maybe the first 15 minutes. When I'm on stage, I address the fact that there are probably Trump supporters in the audience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But I sort of qualify that by saying, you know, they didn't come here on purpose. They didn't come here on their own. You brought them. You married them. That's on you. That gets a laugh usually. But the shows were great. The Des Moines show was awesome. People are appreciative. My crowds, they just need the relief, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And if you're of them and you need the relief, I think I can give you a little bit just to be in the room with a bunch of us having some laughs. Kansas City, Missouri was good as well. Big theater. What a beautiful place that Midland Theater is. And that was great too. I mean, they were just, Lara Bites did great. It was just, I don't know, man. I like being out there. I like being around people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I like being out in the world, going out to eat, doing comedy, walking around. It was funny. A guy came up to me after the Kansas City show and he said, I'm one of the Trump guys here. And he seemed pleasant enough, like a nice enough guy. And I asked him, I said, well, did I get it right? Did I get it right? Did it make sense? And he goes, yeah, he's crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And I'm not completely sure I understand why he was so excited about that. Like the tone of it, like it's just a kind of a fun thing, like a good time. And I think that's like a bunch of his supporters. I just, I don't quite... Get that one. You know, not the one that are necessarily ideological about it or maybe I'm projecting or single issue.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. How's everyone doing? Huh? Yeah, I know. I know. I know. Believe me. I know. Well, it's good to talk to you. Things have been... Yeah, I get it. Believe me. I get it. But I've been out there. I've been out in the world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Just guys that are like, yeah, I just kind of like the guy, you know. Just ones that enjoy the mentally ill, cruel...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
presidential spectacle i don't i don't i don't quite get it i mean i get that life is slower in the midwest but i guess i wish there were other options for satisfying entertainment other than watching the country burn on your cell phone or specific streaming channels i mean i just i wish there was more to it that was lighting up life other than dismantling the entire history of this country.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But hey, I mean, you know, wrestling is wrestling. So, I'm about to share my conversation with Brady Corbett with you. And I have to say, before I go into it, that movie, and it's doing pretty well. And it's really an independent movie that looks like an epic movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
And just the scope of it, the thought that went into shooting it, into writing it, into the, you know, the kind of, the vision of it, the concepts. It's like the shots themselves, the film stock he used. It's just, you don't see movies like that anymore. And it's a long movie. And it's got three sections. And there's a fucking intermission. And it's about a guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I mean, it's a big story about a guy. But there wasn't a point during it that I was bored or I drifted or anything. I just, I was locked in. I needed the intermission though. The intermission was nice. Take a little breather, a little music played, maybe go to the bathroom. But the movie is stunning. And I also did, I went and watched his, one of his other movies, Vox Lux.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
But I mean, it's all his vision and he gets it done. You know, and he's not playing within the studio system, whatever's left of that. He makes sure he has full creative control. And it's real interesting movies, you know, done at a very high level. It's very impressive. And I really didn't know what to expect from talking to him. But you can hear it right now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Again, The Brutalist is playing in theaters now. It's nominated for 10 Academy Awards. And this is me talking to the director, Brady Corbett.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
So your house burned down seven years ago? That's correct. Where was that? In the village. It was on Waverly and Charles. What? In New York? I thought we were going to have an L.A. story here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Where else am I going to live? So what happened? What caused it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
I've been out doing the thing. I've been out in the Midwest doing the shows. But no, tell me, how are you? You okay? You holding up alright? You getting through each day? Are you managing your mind? Das ist ein berühmter Quote von mir. I do hope you're okay. Today we got a great show, great conversation. Brady Corbett is on the show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
All right, so tell me about this. I think it's interesting if you want to talk about it before we whatever unfolds here. But so, you know, in the kitchen there, you mentioned that you had to shoot this commercial.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1618 - Brady Corbet
Well, I guess for me as an outsider, but I understand the business to a certain degree, that the idea that you have this film that's amazing and it's nominated for these awards and yet you don't have any money.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Oh mein Gott. Also wie reagierte er darauf?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Oh my God, it's like this whole other family tree.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Also bist du der einzige Kind deiner Eltern?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ich weiß, dass du mit vielen Freunden handelst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
It's never too late. But I think you're different now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
No, it seems like you're doing something other than that character.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Okay, so, because like I started in podcasting in 2009. That's crazy. Yeah, and I do it the same way I always have. So like when I started doing it, it was sort of similar to like, but a whole different system. Like there were no podcasts when I started.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And then it just became this thing that kind of grew up around me and the other guys that were doing it. But a lot of them have gone to video. So you started... In a whole different sort of world, but it was equally as unknown in terms of how you were going to make a living or do whatever you were going to do. So when you, growing up, I mean, what was your plan?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But Bobby Althoff is somebody who, you know, I scroll. I have a problem. I have a scrolling problem. And she pops up occasionally. Maybe you've seen her. She does these... I don't even know if they're snarky, but she does these very intentionally awkward interviews. with a lot of black entertainers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Well, that's what happens when you grow up in chaos.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And then you either become a completely out of control weirdo or a control freak.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I think that's the one benefit of growing up in chaos, is that if you go that way, you're a little tightly wrapped, but at least you have your shit together.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Why would you not, right? So it was all this little breaking the law that just caused you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But maybe you've seen the one of her and Drake, where she has this disposition that's very kind of subdued and a bit pointed. And maybe you've seen her. She's got long hair. But I saw her do a bit with my friend Andrew Santino and my friend Bobby Lee. And I was kind of curious about her. I didn't know if she was a comedian or where she fell in the world. And I don't know a lot of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Sie ist eigentlich ein bisschen besser als ich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ja, sie war in ein bisschen mehr glücklichen Zeiten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ich habe das mit meinem Vaters Anruf gemacht, weil meine Freunde in eine andere Schule gegangen sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Aber es war nicht, weil es eine bessere Schule war, ich hatte nur mehr Freunde da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
He wanted it. It didn't work out. He was always struggling Ja, ja. Well, it's probably better you didn't do better planning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ja, ich bin jetzt gut. Aber wenn du nicht erfolgreich warst, wie war das Gefühl?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
What do you got around here that I can use?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So they actually stepped in, like the domestic courts or something?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I don't know most of the people that are stars on TikTok or YouTube or Instagram. I don't know who these people are. I always assume, I'm always surprised when people are like, oh yeah, I sold out an arena. What are you? What do you do? I do conversations with my dog. I'm like, I have no idea who you are, but congratulations, I guess. But Bobby, I was curious about her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
How did they decide that she was the one to go?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But the suicidal stuff left because of therapy and because of, you know... No, it always was there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you blame yourself. And you put this thing in your head that you're the shitty thing. And then you do that at such a young age, it doesn't go away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And then you just have this voice in your head that's sort of like, you're not as good as that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So that's how you fought the voice? You're like, I'll show you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you do a bunch of jobs and you end up as a nanny.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
That must have been interesting to come from where you come from and then being in these nice families.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Were any of them, like, you know, impactful in your life, the families?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I think it was driven initially by the fact like, well, I mean, if Bobby and Santino talk to her, I mean, why am I not part of this party? Why am I not part of what the kids are doing? Where's my time? But I did find her kind of curious. And I don't know a lot about this new landscape of show business. I do know that it's shifted.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And so these kids, they knew you from when they're very young and you still have a relationship with them?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So I guess that coming out of your childhood, this nanny thing gave you some stability.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And then your grandma, thank God for grandmas, like, you know, she was stable.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ich wusste nicht, was ich erfolgreich sein würde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you just went to the community college for two years?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, UC Davis, that would have been a trip.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, I did comedy at UC Davis. It's in between here and San Francisco, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Is that college. Did you go look at it or anything?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So when you got married, was it, was that, do you feel like in retrospect, because you're not married anymore?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Do you feel like that was another sort of attempt at stability?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
During the pregnancy. So then that's when he started recording?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I do know that there's a new kind of tribalized show business that revolves around YouTube podcasts and comedians and right-wing garbage. I know that somehow or another we live in a time where old school mainstream show business has contracted. into something that seems confused and without relevance in a lot of ways through streamers and whatnot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Oh, so no... Yeah. And you did it through the second pregnancy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Okay, so does COVID, that played into you...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But then there's this whole other very exciting, it seems, area of show business that occurs on TikTok and Instagram. And it's not nothing. I mean, some of these people are getting, you know, ratings or at least views of short content driven stuff. that parallels what TV shows used to get when there were three networks on the air.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So when you decide to do TikTok, was there a model? Were you watching certain people that you thought like, well, this is the way to do this?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you were, it wasn't really about celebrity, it was really economics. I just wanted to make enough money to be self-supporting and not live the life you grew up with.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But did you have a sense of how one made money by making a viral video?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So it's funny though, because you grew up in this age where... Like I come from, you know, basically... No, not yet. No, it came...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So like just thousands of comments like your shitty mom.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So there are big stars in this world and I think it's a tenuous world and it's primarily self-driven. von den Leuten, die es tun. Und es kann alles relativ schnell weggehen, glaube ich. Und das scheint zu passieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So, okay, so you got 40 million views. How did you make that money at the beginning?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So I would make like 10... Was an agent specifically for TikTokers to get brand deals?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So there's a whole world of show business just around influencers, obviously.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Nein, du bekommst ein Package von Sachen. Es gab keine Abonnenten, aber wir hatten diese Boxen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ja, und wir hatten die Lebensboxen und solche Sachen. Ja, ja, ja.
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Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Und das war wie jemand, der andere Produkte aggregiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Oh, also dann, wenn, also dann beginnst du, Leute über Instagram zu bewegen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
All of a sudden someone is celebrating for having a candid moment out in public on camera about spitting on a dick and next thing you know she might be in trouble for some sort of crypto scam and then they kind of fade into the woodwork. Aber das Faden in das Holzwerk ist mehr wie das Faden in die digitale Atmosphäre, wo man immer noch da ist, was man immer gemacht hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, it's because you want to stay in the fund?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you're making money, right, pretty close to when you started.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So when do you, what do you consider your big break? wenn sich alles verändert. Also du hast einen Manager, der dich als Brand repräsentiert, aber dann wechselst du von... Du nimmst den sarkastischen, knackigen Charakter und entscheidest dich darum, mit Leuten zu engagieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, I got a guy doing mine and this weird thing hit. It was crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
It's not 40 million, but it was sort of like, why would that one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Für einen Moment. So you're basically producing shows that are a minute long.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So that's the nature of the business that you had to kind of figure out for yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So the focus was like, this is working. Now I've got to nail it every time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Es ist einfach so, dass niemand wirklich was macht. All das gesagt, wollte ich mit Bobbi sprechen. Ich habe ihr Show letztens gemacht, aber ich wollte mit ihr über dieses neue Show-Business sprechen. Und, weißt du, ihre Reise dazu und wie sie eine Art viraler Star wurde. Ich meine, sie hat TikTok-Videos angefangen und hat eine Folle mit dem Charakter, den sie macht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
That's the model like now. Like you can't, like if you want to make it... to one of those places, this is the way you do it. No one's going to help you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But you didn't know really how you were gonna do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So sometimes you would do what was like the most amount of times you had to redo a video.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
You know, it was, I think at the beginning it was mostly audio. Like there were a couple of people doing video, but it was still that streaming capacity and it wasn't really quite there yet. And we're audio guys, so we stay in this. But at that time, because what I would call a podcast is, you know, it's like an hour, it's like a long audio thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But by the time you're coming around, what is the definition of a podcast? I don't know. Because it seems like there's a lot of people sitting on TikTok with mics and they don't have the podcast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. How's it going? What's going on there? Everything alright with the thing? How's that spot? Did you get it checked out? What's going on with that issue with the kid? How's everything going with your foot? What are you going to cook for the thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Und sie ist jetzt der Host des wirklich guten Podcasts, welches ich war. Und wir haben es an Sante D'Or, der Katzschelter, geschaut, was lustig war. Und es war lustig, aber ich wusste, dass ich ein bisschen standoffisch und ein bisschen Buster Balls war. And it's not really my nature, especially not with somebody I don't know that well. But I did it after I talked to her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Well, you're not necessarily a broadcaster.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, no, you gotta have the same consistency. It's just a longer arc and it's a different audience, I guess.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And it was just, that's not what I... And that's not what you're known for.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So when you start to do the parody, that's when you get the big guests.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Wie hast du Rick Glassman bekommen? Warum Rick Glassman?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But anyway, I found the interview to be enlightening. And I liked her a great deal. And it is a good...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
you know, story about what it takes to be, whether it's an influencer or, you know, a viral phenomenon, which is really, you know, sadly in some ways where most of show business lies now to the point where you've got old school show business just glomming on to whoever can generate some money one way or the other, any way or the other. And so they're shifting as well.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you would clip it and you put it out in clips?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you do an hour, but the model was still a TikTok model or an Instagram model.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Also geht Drake verrückt und was verändert sich für dich sofort? Außer der Visibilität. Geld?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Und jetzt bist du selbstsuffizient, du hast ein Haus gekauft?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Okay, aber was ist passiert? Du sagst, du kommst zurück zum Charakter. Was war die Entscheidung, die dich beeinflusst hat, was zu tun? After Drake, what did they tell you to do that now you have to pull back from? Because you thought it was more successful before.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I've seen a few of them. I've seen ones with you and Santino on the golf course and you and Bobby playing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But the golf one and the tennis one with the guys I know, those were hours, but you clipped them up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So now you're at this point where you've decided that you're going back to the character because you tried to not do it for a while?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
That's sort of like what's wrong with the world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But that's interesting because that's why politics is so fucked up. It's why everything's fucked up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But you realize it. I guess that's the double-edged sword of it. It's good that you're not putting anything toxic into the world. You're just fucking with people's heads a little bit. But the number of people that... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So, that's who's on the show today. My 2025 tour kicks off in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. I'm in Napa at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. Fort Collins, Colorado at Lincoln Center Performance Hall, January 17th. That's a Friday. Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 18th. Those Colorado shows might be sold out.
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Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And I was like, I actually don't know where he got that information from.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
He's got a grift going too. He's just trying to hold on to followers too. They don't really take into mind necessarily the destruction that they're unleashing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And they know they've got the attention of a very specific type of emotionally immature and angry bunch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you're back, this sort of snotty girl is back.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, but you know that that's just part and parcel to doing the character.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So now that you're kind of, it doesn't sound like the pressure is ever off you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. Then San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, February 1. A lot of other dates coming up and a lot of red states. It almost looks like a red state tour.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Either from you or from your handlers or whoever you call them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So part of the goal is now to, like you said, to get into that next tier. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But it's funny, like it seems like financially you're probably making less doing that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Are someone trying to put that together for you? WME or anybody?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So would you sacrifice some of your control to be part of a bigger organization?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Aber wenn du ein bisschen Kontrolle verursachst, dann, wenn es nicht so geht, wie du es wolltest, dann bist du wahrscheinlich zurückgekehrt, wie, na, fuck, wenn ich es hätte.
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Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Which I didn't anticipate and I think a few months ago I was nervous about and I'll probably be nervous about it as well as I head into them. But I know you're out there. I know you're out there in Kansas and Oklahoma and the Carolinas. I know that what's going to happen After January 20th, somehow or another, these shows will become kind of a safe space to speak our minds or hear me speak mine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, and also just to take chances that you wouldn't necessarily do or you wouldn't think of or challenge yourself in a new way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Help me do that. My brain's about to break.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Oh no, yeah, we've had a booker for years and you just get a list of people that are around or available.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
No, they literally sent me, I don't think we did one ad for them, maybe one years ago. And over like a period of months, they sent me like a hundred cases. So I had like in the kitchen of the ADU here, I had like just stacks and stacks of liquid debt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, now I'm like, I'm literally starting to get low on them. And I'm like, I don't know what happened, but I could use some more of the sparkling.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
What, did I turn down your podcast at some point?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
When we do it, are you going to do the snarky girl?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Roast means just kind of try to take you down a notch?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Andrew's really good at that. He's a born dick.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
He's so quick. This whole show is just beating up on Bobby.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Yeah, I have a hard time roasting, because, like, innately, I'm trying to hurt somebody.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you gotta be pretty, and I don't, you know, I'm not great at it, but I think I'm up for the challenge.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
That was great. I guess maybe because I'm learning what the kids are doing. I don't know. I liked her. I liked her story and her moxie and her ambition and just learning about how the new show business works. Again, you can watch the really good podcast on YouTube or listen to it wherever you get your podcasts. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I'll do what I can. I'm right there with you. But you can go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. But I am right there with you. I think we have a weird kind of menacing lull going on right now. When do I start to enjoy the good things? I was thinking about people I know that are very successful to the point of like, wow, what do you even do with that level of success?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
If you go back 10 years ago this week, that's when we had a great WTF with Jenny Slate. It's episode 558 and it's funny. It's emotional. And it's available to listen to right now in whatever podcast app you're using.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But, you know, to just call them and make that phone call. Right. Honestly, I forget about that. Right. And it was really, really meaningful. This is a good tone. I like this tone. Boomer lives. Monkey in La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
And they've got everything they want and they go out and they do things. They do stuff. They buy fancy cars. They'll stay at a fancy hotel. Look, I'll fly business. And I'll eat wherever I want to eat. But I don't know what it is with me. What are the good things? I guess that's something everyone has to decide on their own. And I think about stuff. I'm like, why don't you buy a nicer car?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I'm like, why? Why don't you go on a nice trip? I'm like, I don't have to. After a couple of days, I'm just me in another place. And it's not... Amazing. I've got to figure it out. Time is running short. I've got to figure out what the good things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
All I know is that I was with the Terminix Exterminator guy in my crawlspace under the house yesterday trying to figure out where these fucking rats are coming in. And I thought I'd plugged all the holes, but he said, no, look at these holes around these pipes. I'm like, they can get in those? And he's like, yup. And I'm like, that's crazy. How do they even do that? He's like, well, I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
It's all cartilage. And they just kind of make themselves, they can kind of worm their way in there like a rat. And I'm like, oh, my God. And I had some of that foam, you know, that foam stuff that you fill holes with. And I was just like squirting that around the pipe holes. And it's like... und macht dieses große, feuchte Ding, das hart wird. Und ich dachte, das war großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Und ich bin so, das ist das Gute. Das ist eines der guten Dinge. Ich glaube, es sind die kleinen Dinge. Ich weiß es nicht. Aber ich könnte, ich könnte einen Morgen oder zumindest ein paar Stunden einfach feuchten. You know, maybe I'm in the wrong line of work. You know, when you find that kind of stuff, you know, totally rewarding and think like, you know, this is this is what I worked for.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Is the car running better now? When can you go back to the gym? That seems crazy. Oh, really? You had it for what, two weeks? Yeah, it's going around. How's everybody doing? Okay? Did I mention I'm Marc Maron? This is my podcast. Did I mention that? It's called WTF. What's happening? Going strong since 2009. A new show every Monday and Thursday. And now new bonus material every Tuesday and Friday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
I don't know. Most people would just have some guy do that. But I'm like, I got the phone stuff. He's like, you should put it in there. I'm like, oh, my God, this is amazing. I'll do it. I'll do it. OK, so Bobby Althoff, I will tell you again. that I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation to the point where I told Brendan, I'm like, you're going to like this one. This is a good episode.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
As I mentioned before, Bobby Althoff is the host of the Really Good Podcast, which you can listen to where you get podcasts or watch on YouTube. I think I'm going to be on there mid-January at some point. And this is me meeting and talking to Bobby Althoff. Ist es zu laut?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Na, ich meine, ich denke, wenn du Video machst, brauchst du es nicht wirklich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ja, es hilft, wenn du Audio machst, um dich zu hören.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
You better have a good one, because I was about to get mad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ja, mein jüngster war auch. Oh wow, that takes a lot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Ich denke, das ist so, wie es sollte sein. Ich meine, wenn es in irgendeiner anderen Weise wäre, wäre es schlecht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Wie viele Kinder gibt es in deiner Familie?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
But you were all in the same house growing up?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Jeez, that's a lot of yapping. Today on the show I talk to Bobby Althoff. I'd like to talk to you about her, if I could, because it's an interesting thing. Look, I'm a bit out of the game in terms of keeping up with... Whatever youth culture is or whatever the cultural momentum is to make us all part of youth culture. If there is even a culture that we can kind of frame as that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Wait, so when he married your mom, he had no kids?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
So you just met him when? How many years ago?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1600 - Bobbi Althoff
Nein, aber ich meine, richtig. Aber war sie verheiratet, als er... Nein, nein, nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Also sie wurde Teil eines Arbeitsplatzes, eines temporären Arbeitsplatzes, der Interpreter für was auch immer benötigte. Genau. Genau. So, dass sie nur auf der Arbeit bleibt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Das ist eine interessante Sache. Ich meine, sie musste nicht arbeiten, richtig? Ich meine, sie konnte... Ich meine, damals haben wir das gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Aber es ist seltsam, dass ich finde, dass du Leute findest, die sehr wichtig sind, die Arbeit tun, die Leute hilft. Hundertprozentig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ja, hundertprozentig. Und die meisten Leute sind für sich selbst. Ja. Nein, nicht sie. Ja. Und wie... Du bist in dem auch geboren, oder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
You know what I'm saying? It's weird, because I ask, because I've had a lot of Oakland around me lately. Because I had Delroy in here a couple days ago.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Yeah, and then like last week I was with Kamau. You know Kamau? I know Kamau well. Yeah, yeah. And then I ran, just last night I ran into Boots. Boots is from Oakland. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich bin einfach zu einem Restaurant gegangen und habe das Haar gesehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And then here we are in the sort of... Off-Season-Time, where the locals kind of can relax and sort of fortify their spirits in preparation to hide the resentment for the demanding tourists of the summer season. So it's kind of got a nice vibe. So look, folks, today on the show I talked to Ryan Kugler. He's the writer and director of Fruitville Station, Creed and the two Black Panther movies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Das muss sein zweiter oder dritter Film sein, oder? Das ist sein zweiter Film. Ja, ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ja, und er hat den merkwürdigen Film gemacht. Den verrückten Film.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich hatte eine gute Konversation mit Delroy. Er ist ein toller Kerl, ein toller Schauspieler. Aber als ich den Film gesehen habe, habe ich Sinners gesehen und ich wusste nichts darüber. So I go over there and I had no idea it was a music movie. You know, I'm kind of like a blues person. I see all the guitars. Yeah, you know, I got Alan Wolf up here on the wall.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
That's Mick, yeah. But so, like, I get in there and right out of the gate, I'm like, oh shit, it's a blues movie. Das ist großartig. Und ich dachte, okay, ich hatte keine Ahnung, wo wir anfangen. Aber wir fangen direkt am Delta an. Was war es, 30? 32 ist es. 32, ja. Also es ist nach den alten, alten Jungs. Ja, ja, nur nach.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Genau, du kommst in die Jungs, die sie kannten, aber die nächsten, und dann sind sie nach Chicago geflogen. Aber in Bezug auf, wie dieser Film war, You know, after Creed, after the Creed, after, you know, Black Panther, like, what makes you want to, you know, kind of get into this story?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Hast du es getröstet? Es ist ein interessanter Name.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Es ist ein furchtbarer Film. Die Art, wie du ihn filmst, ist intim und furchtbar. Ja. Und die Entscheidung, die echte Fotos am Anfang zu haben, weil du weißt, was passieren wird. Ja. Und dann ist es ein Prozess der Humanisierung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
His new film is called Sinners, which he made with his frequent collaborator Michael B. Jordan. And it's a pretty trippy movie. I didn't know what to expect. A lot of times I get guests and I get screeners. But this movie is definitely a horror movie. I think it's...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ja, jetzt, wenn du zurückgehst zu Fruitville für einen Moment. Also du hast diese Geschichte gehört und etwas über diese Geschichte. Und es ist eine traurige, gemeinsame Geschichte. ist, dass es keine Möglichkeit gab, dich nicht mit der Wahrscheinlichkeit und der Realität zu identifizieren. Ja. Und wenn du dann beginnst, eine Geschichte zu erstellen, um diesen Mann zu vermitteln. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Redest du mit seiner Frau oder seiner Freundin? Ja, ich rede mit jeder Frau. Du redest mit allen? Ja, ich rede mit jeder Frau. Weil, was da passiert, was interessant ist, ist, dass du, um diesen Mann, du weißt, die Erinnerung, die Ehrlichkeit, die du zu dieser Geschichte genommen hast, was ist, wie er ein verletzter Kerl ist, er hat Probleme. Ja, absolut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Aber er ist nicht anders als jeder andere. Er versucht nur, sich zu verhalten. Ja. Und dann, weißt du, passiert ihm dieses horrende Ding, speziell wegen Rassismus. Wirklich. Und dann, weißt du, es ist seltsam, jedes Mal, wenn du so einen Film siehst oder so eine Geschichte hörst, bist du so, na, hat dieser Arschloch Geld bezahlt? Dieser Polizist. Und das ist nie genug. Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Du hast also über dich selbst gelernt, selbst wenn du den Mann als Vater anschaust. that by telling that story, you're able to create a full picture of not just the tragedy, but bringing the real humanism to it. This is a guy just trying to get by.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
It's a couple cities over. And what did you, when you finish that, und so lange mit dieser Geschichte zu sein. Der Angst geht nicht weg, oder? Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Jordan Peele macht seine Sache, aber es scheint eine Welt von schwarz-zentriertem Horror zu sein, das ziemlich intensiv und engagiert ist. Ich hatte keine Ahnung, worum dieses Film ging, aber es fokussierte sich...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Es ist fast so, dass mit diesem Regierung, wer etwas anders denkt, wer Toleranz und Empathie glaubt, plötzlich auch andere ist. Es ist also eine Art Trauma-Vibration, die jetzt passiert, aber die dunkle Gemeinschaft ist für immer bekannt. Yeah. Since they've been here. Oh yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
So, but the powerlessness, it seems to me that what you land on, you know, even with sinners to some degree, is that the only power you have is community. Yes, sir. Right? Yes, sir. And what you have in that is you have, you know, extended family and people who understand the struggle, but also just want to live their fucking lives. Yep. Yep.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
in the story of the blues and it's very grounded in in music and mysticism and vampires so there's a lot to be liked about this movie and it was very interesting to talk to ryan because i also watched frutville station which i hadn't seen which is a devastating movie about a police officer killing a black young man and it's based on a true story and you know all this stuff
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Es muss etwas sein, nach dem Zuschauen von Fruitvale, Das ist das Unmögliche. Egal, was er tut oder wie gut er es macht. Und egal, wie gut diese Kinder sind, wenn sie weggehen, oder was sie versuchen zu tun, es ist nicht sicher.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Du kannst jemandem das Leben verändern. Ja. Wie hast du dich in den Film gemacht? War das dein erster Job mit deinem alten Mann?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Also das Gruppenheim. Wie viel hat das deine Perspektive informiert, in Bezug auf Empathie?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Against taking the wrong path, getting stuck in the wrong situation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Well, there's a coin flip in Fruitvale, too. I don't know... Seine arme Mutter, in dem Moment am Ende, wo sie sagt hat, ich habe ihm gesagt, den Zug zu nehmen. Ja, ja, ja. Ich meine, hast du einen Sinn bekommen, von ihr zu sprechen, dass sie das gesagt hat?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Still happens and continues to happen and continues to get worse. But it was good to talk about where Ryan came from and what his vision for films are. I'm in Los Angeles at Dynasty Typewriter starting this Monday, April 14th. Then on Saturday, April 26th. And again on Tuesday, April 29th. Those are all 7.30pm shows. I'm at Largo. Vielen Dank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich konnte nie Chemie bekommen. Ich konnte nie die Elemente bekommen. Es ist wie Mathematik. Ich konnte es nicht machen. Man, you a comic, bro.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Wenn du die Geschichte in deinem Kopf hast, gehst du. Ja, ich muss eine Ausleitung bekommen und solche Sachen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Yeah, she did, man. Yeah. That's great. Because it's not like you should write a short story. I mean, you must have written in a very specific way where it was so visceral to her. She's like, this guy, he's got a sense of it. Yeah, maybe. Of telling a story with those bursts of description. Yeah, maybe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Großartig, Bro. Und du brechst sie runter. Brechst sie runter. Welcher Film war so, okay, ich verstehe es. Wahrscheinlich ein Film namens Within Our Gates.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich erinnere mich daran, dass er in der Rückseite meiner Hand war. Und auch independent, sales-independent, er machte seine eigenen Filme. Es klingt so, als ob du den Oscar gesehen hattest, auch historisch, um in der Gemeinschaft und aus der Gemeinschaft zu gehen. Ja, sicher. Ja, sicher. Und in Bezug auf deinen Job als Direktor, wenn du Shorts und solche Sachen machst, wer sind deine Influenzen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Es ist eine seltsame Sache, wenn die Leute mit einer Kamera ein Gefühl haben. Du kannst effizient sein, aber die Kontrolle, die dir ermöglicht, dich auch mit der Kamera auszudrücken, als nur mit der Geschichte, das ist etwas anderes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Aber es scheint, als hättest du mit Fruitvale gedacht, du wüsstest, dass der Effekt, den du wolltest, von der Kamera kommen würde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Yeah, so I've been away a lot and I'm a bit untethered out here. But again, out here in the world, a lot of good people, a lot of nice people, a lot of people that come out and enjoy the relief. It's a very strange thing, though, after a show that I know that I'm doing a show and I know that my audience mostly...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich habe das in der Filmschule gelernt. In den USA? Ja. Also du hast dich selbst gefilmt, damit du zumindest weißt, was du von der DP willst. Genau. Und das ist eine abhängige Gespräche, oder? Mit der DP auf dem Set.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Wir haben einen Film gedreht, ja. Oh mein Gott. Wir haben einen 70mm gedreht. Wie hast du zwei... Er hat zwei Charaktere. Ja, Mike. Wie hast du... Was denkst du davon, Bruder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Es ist lustig. Ich fuhr mit meiner Freundin zurück und sprach darüber, was für ein toller Schauspieler er ist. Sie sagte, er ist so hübsch. Ich sagte, ja, und du hast zwei von ihnen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
They are grateful for the show and they get some laughs, but then you leave and you walk out into the world of what's happening politically and what's happening in your own mind and your concerns about your own life. I had some federal workers come up to me after the show who are on the edge of losing their jobs or have already lost their jobs. There's not a lot of places to go in the mind
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Du hast das auf dem Film gedreht, aber du hast die Technologie gebraucht, um das unverzichtbar zu machen, oder?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Das war ein toller Effekt. Bevor wir dazu kommen. Du hast Michael Jordan auf der Karte. Mike B.? Ja. Ich meine...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Du hast mit der Mutter von Oskar gesprochen und wir haben über das Coinflip gesprochen und über das Gewicht. Hast du das gefunden, dass das etwas war, das sie nicht verlassen konnte?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Es ist ein mächtiger Moment im Film, weil du schon gesehen hast, was passiert ist. Und sie muss das leben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Weißt du, was ich meine? Es ist so schwer. Ja. Also ich habe nicht bemerkt, dass Creed deine Idee war. in Bezug darauf, dass du diese Geschichte in der Rocky-Franchise gefunden hast. Ja. Und du hattest ein bisschen Jus von Fruitvale.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
In terms of... In reality, in terms of hope or knowing what to do next with one's life and one's purpose. And it's just... It's fucking brutal. But it's happening. And I am... appreciative or relieved that some people in the broader cultural media universe are starting to acknowledge what's happening and acknowledge that what we're seeing here is a very aggressive authoritarian Kuh of sorts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Und Erwin Winkler? Erwin Winkler, ja. Ich musste Erwin in New York sehen. Ich habe mit dem Mann gesprochen. Ja, du hast ihn gesehen. Wie hast du ihn gefunden? Es ist eine große Karriere. Es scheint, dass diese Jungs... Er hat einige gute Filme gemacht, aber wenn es ums Geschäft geht, hält er eine Linie. Ich wusste, dass es ein bisschen Tension mit einigen Leuten gab. Aber er war gut zu arbeiten?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Und als du Jordan gesagt hast, dass du ihn so machen wolltest, war er so, ja?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Wie du gesagt hast, wenn du in die Filme gehst, hast du etwas im Kopf. Was war es mit Creed?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Aber du hattest auch eine Narrative, die noch nicht gemacht worden ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And I know that the sort of response to that on the other side in a sort of limited information side is that, well, he was elected, democratically elected, yeah, by a small margin. But, you know, that is one of the blind sides of democracy is you may elect a monster.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ja, das war eine eröffnete Mythologie. 100 Prozent. Während Sinners ist eine echte Mythologie. Es ist eine Volksmythologie. Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
But you knew you were making a different movie. Yeah. Because all those expectations are there, but you're making a black movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Also es gibt eine gute Wille in einem Publikum, der noch nicht für das andere Ding gepackt wurde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Und das ist international. Ja, Herr. Und dann wird es wieder ein Community-Incentive.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And I don't know, I honestly don't know in my mind in terms of what people are really like, you know, how people still see strength or hope or a benefit to the country in the future with what's going on. But it is happening. It is happening. It is happening. And at some point you got to stand up and be counted somehow. Probably through some database that some techno overlord is pilfering.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
But what's interesting is because it is a mythical space. This is a superhero. Aber wegen der Art und Weise, dass es ein schwarzer Film ist, dass egal, was die Erfahrung der schwarzen Menschen global ist, in Bezug auf ihre Geschichte, das ist etwas für sie. 100 Prozent. Und ich würde mir vorstellen, dass das wahrscheinlich mindestens 80 Prozent ein neues Publikum war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Yeah, but when you open it up and you do Black Panther with a mythological universe that, you know, the good guys and the bad guys, everybody's black. Yeah. 100%. So in that sense, it makes sense on a community level.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Getting back to what we started with, this world of, you know, blues music and black culture at that time. I thought like, because like, you know, it's a story that Wenn du eine gewisse Art von Geist hast, dann weißt du die Geschichte ein bisschen. Wenn du Blues-Fan bist, dann weißt du die Geschichte von Crossroads. Aber du hast es etwas weiter in die Geschichte genommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Jetzt sind wir vielleicht eineinhalb Jahrzehnte entfernt von Robert Johnson und Charlie Patton. Das wurde noch nicht wirklich entdeckt. Aber die Leute in diesem Film wussten diese Geschichte. Charlie Pattons Gitarre wird ein wichtiges Ding. Und dann, weißt du, die Art von Geheimnis dieser Twins, die von Chicago zurückkommen und was auch immer sie gemacht haben, um das Geld zu bekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Und dann, so wie, weißt du, strukturieren diese Geschichte, wenn es aus deinem Kopf kam, richtig? Weißt du, um es kompensierend zu machen, um nicht zu beweisen, warum sie da waren oder was sie in Chicago gemacht haben. Aber dann die große Entscheidung ist, wer ist der Teufel? Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
und wie das überwinden kann oder wie man es interpretieren kann oder wie man eine Stimme zu Schmerzen geben kann. Ja, genau. Aber dann ist die menschliche Komponente, das Gute und das Schlimme davon, die Durchschnittslinie. Dieser Kerl hat einen Preacher-Vater und dann wird er letztendlich wählen. Ich will keine Spoiler für jemanden geben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Aber das war ein ernsthafter Scheiß, den er durchgezogen hat, um trotzdem die Wahl zu machen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
But maybe from your own place and from your own point of view. I don't mean to be heavy, but Jesus Christ. I'm out here doing nothing but thinking and wandering around. And look, I can appreciate where I'm at, but still, the mind is churning. The information on the phone is churning. And it's hard not to personalize it and crumble. But try not to crumble, people. Try... Oh, man. This is...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Es ist interessant, denn es gibt eine Welt von Black Horror, die viel Freiheit gibt, so wie du es willst. Hundert Prozent, Bro. Jordan macht sein Ding. Ja, schöne Filme. Oh, ja. Und seltsam. Oh yeah, 100%. Er ist wie ein abstrakter Denker. Und er ist bereit, Risiken zu nehmen. Du hast das, es gibt eine Publikation dafür. Ja, Herr. Was sagst du über das Lieben? Was waren die Herausforderungen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Weil es dir auch eine Möglichkeit gab, Charaktere zu erlernen, die wir ein bisschen vorher gekannt haben. Ich glaube, auf irgendeinem Niveau... When you said you were piecing together the story, that the idea of music had to go all the way through it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich denke, als die黑ere Gemeinschaft davon weggegangen ist, weil es etwas altes bezeichnet hat, dann haben alle weißen Leute es genommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Appropriated or, you know, and reappropriated, you know, like it's really... Well, that's interesting because, you know, the main vampire, the devil vampire, he's appropriating the souls of black people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. What is happening? How's it going? How's it feeling? I just want to check in. Tough times. Tough times in the world. Tough times if you think a certain way. Tough times in your head if they're already tough already.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
I'm sorry. I can tell you about Grand Rapids. I was surprised about Grand Rapids, Michigan. What a pleasant city. What a pleasant city. And I can talk about why. That'll be nice. And again, very nice people. Meeting a lot of nice people. And they're still out there. People aren't hiding yet. One thing that always moves me, which I don't quite know why, but I'm always fascinated.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ja, das ist der gleiche Grundpunkt. Ja, ich hatte Taj Mahal in den Händen einmal. Und, weißt du, da ist ein Durchgang. Er ist ein Historiker, wirklich. Und ich hatte diese alte Gitarre, eine alte Sears-Gitarre, die ich immer nur als etwas zu sehen hatte. Aber es wurde gesungen, es wurde gesungen. Und wir haben darüber gesprochen... Skip James. Oh, du sprichst von Hard Time Killing Floor.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich weiß nicht, was der Song war, aber Skip James. Es gab bestimmte Leute, die einen richtigen Rhythmus und Ton hatten. Von der Kontinente. Ja, vielleicht Senegal oder so. Ja, es war all das. Ja, ja. So like I'm talking to, I'm talking to Taj about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Yeah. It's very specific. Yes, sir. But it made it all the way through.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
But Taj just picks up that old guitar. Three seconds. Right away. Go all the way back. All the way back to the continent. And I was like, oh my god. It's the magic, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
So that was all informing how you were going to handle this. But why twins though?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich glaube, es gab irische Gangsters in Chicago, die waren Brüder. Das ist ein Ding, Bro.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And there's great examples of this in in Grand Rapids is when you have these older buildings, you know, either built at the turn of the century, you know, these old kind of buildings that were once businesses, you know, some cities that do some kind of renovation or urban renewal of whatever kind, kind of treat these museums with a certain amount of respect.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Dann hast du dich entschieden, die Moral zu balancieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich habe nicht schnell zu Michael Jordans eingestellt. Ja, es hat funktioniert. Es ist nur die Leistung, man. Es sind die Einzelheiten. Du kannst schnell überwachen. Und das ist die Sache mit identitären Twins, wenn du sie kennst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Sometimes they leave the ghost of the old signs of the business that once occupied the building on the building. And they usually kind of clean up the bricks and put new windows in. And it becomes sort of a kind of a museum piece with respect for some other time that has gone by, or at least a structure. And Grand Rapids is full of these buildings in certain sections right near downtown.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich wusste nicht, dass das eine Durchschnittslinie wäre.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Man muss jemandem nahe kommen, um das zu tun. Eine seltsame Frage. Das Pussy-Eaten. Hast du dich darauf eingeladen? Ist es kulturell stigmatisiert?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Und ich dachte, dass die Vampire genügend schrecklich waren. Das ist gut. Und ich will den Beat am Ende nicht spüren, auch während der Kredite. Weil die Leute, die den Blues lieben, werden sich über ihn erfreuen. Hat er das letzte Lied gespielt? Er hat es gespielt. Das ist er auf der Gitarre? Das ist er. Auf dem letzten Song? Am Ende. Ja. Das ist er. Scheiße.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Weil ich ihn ein paar Mal gesehen habe. Ich habe ihn hier drin gehabt. Ich habe gestern mit seinem fucking Pick gespielt. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Und ich liebe es, sie zu sehen. Ich liebe es, Brücke zu sehen. Und ich liebe es, alte Gebäude aus den frühen 1900ern zu sehen, die mit neuen Wänden renoviert wurden, die Brücke geschliffen wurden. Und für irgendeinen Grund bekomme ich eine wirklich poetische und bewegende Vibe von ihnen. Ich liebe es, sie zu sehen, als sie gut behandelt werden. and taking care of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Sie haben alle dort angefangen. Hundert Prozent. Aber als er älter wurde, wurde er mehr ein Schauspieler. Seine Lippen sind anders. Weißt du, was ich meine? Er wird nur ein paar ausmachen und dann wird er einfach... Lächeln. Ja, das ist es. Ja, ja. Ja, es war toll, mit dir zu sprechen, Mann. Es war ein guter Film.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Ich hoffe, es tut dir gut. Ich freue mich auf dich, Mann. There you go folks. Again, Sinners opens in theaters this Friday. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Anxiety and Impatience I think the biggest challenge is going to be to afford myself the confidence and space to know when a take is done, to know when a set is set up, to know what I'm looking for and not to be freaked out all the time. Just to realize that I put a good team together and hopefully I will to afford me the space necessary to just focus on directing the film.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Boomer lives. Monkey, LaFonda, Cat Angels everywhere. And that was fucking Take 2, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And there's a lot of that in Grand Rapids. And there's also some of the best coffee I ever had in my life in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And that's weird. And sometimes I don't know what that means since I've, God knows how much coffee I've drank in my life. But sometimes you go to a place and you're like, oh my God, this coffee is amazing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
I'm sure I've had that experience many times in my life at different points and in different places. But this lantern coffee in Grand Rapids was just fucking amazing. Außerhalb der Show war es großartig. Es gibt ein Publikum dort, das erstaunlich ist. Ich habe Geräusche bemerkt. Ich bin sehr sensibel zu Geräuschen. Und dieses Publikum, GLC Live bei 20 Monroe in Grand Rapids,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
It's not an old theater. It's a newly built structure for live music and live events. And sometimes if they're designed well, you don't know where they're going to happen or how they happen or who designed it. But this is primarily a rock venue. But in terms of sight lines and in terms of the stage, it's just fucking perfect.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And because of the way the structure was designed, the room is dead, which I'm a big fan of. You know, when you do audio recording, a dead room means that you'll... You won't get any noise. You won't hear cars in the background. You won't hear bounce. But to be in a venue where the entire place is like that, it was kind of like a privilege to work in a place where the sound is so honest.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And that venue is amazing. So I don't know if you live in Grand Rapids or you live close to Grand Rapids, but I imagine if you have an opportunity to go see a show at that place, GLC Live at 20 Monroe, I would do that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
i would do that again i'm sorry about the heaviness at the beginning i'm just trying to manage you know i can only take so much of the world before i you know refocus on my cats at home and apparently even though i've been trying to medicate charlie and trying to get that thing under control that little monster i'm not sure it's working from the reports i'm getting from the woman babysitting my cats and uh
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
I don't know. So, Charlie's medicated, I'm medicated, and this Busporen, though I was optimistic and excited at the beginning, I'm not sure that it's doing what I want it to do, hence the opening of this particular podcast. But again, that's reasonable, but how much time during the day do I need to obsess and panic about it? I mean, right now, nothing's happening out my window. Lake Michigan is...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Already tough already. Yeah, I just said that sentence. Look, I'm sitting in a hotel room. In Traverse City, Michigan. I did two shows here last night and they went really nice. They went well. It was a nice little theater. It's a comedy festival up here. I've never been up to Traverse City. On some level, in my immediate world, right now, I'm in a room.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Vielen Dank. Charlie beating up on the other cats, authoritarianism happening in my country, the future, what's going to happen when I go to New York, when I go to Toronto, when I go here or there. I'm happy I'll be home for a few hours, for a few weeks before all these shows to kind of tighten up the hour. Yeah, my health, my mind, my physical fitness. It just is ongoing at all times.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And the only way to counter that is like maybe I can lock into my phone and just completely have singleness of focus on bullshit that I can hold in my hand. or I can just panic. And I thought that the medicine would kind of temper that, but it doesn't seem to be doing it. And clearly Charlie is shitting outside the box and beating the fuck out of the other cats.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
So I guess Charlie and I together are going to have to move through this medication trial, you know, and figure out what's happening for both of us. I'll get home and we'll reconnect on that and see what we can do. I don't fucking know, man. Man, First couple days of this trip, sometimes that three-hour time difference, I was just fucked up and beside myself, a little loopy. But again...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
The shows have been good. Focusing on the work has been helpful. Trying to get exercise and eat right has been helpful. Talking to like-minded people and talking to close friends about what I'm going through and what they're going through has been helpful. Kind of figuring out a path to sort of take action in ways that I can. Speak my mind in ways that I can is helpful and important.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
Stressful time. Und es gibt zwei Ebenen von Angst oder Aufmerksamkeit. Du musst dich um dich selbst, dein Vessel und deine Meinung kümmern. Aber du musst auch engagiert bleiben und in jeder Weise, die du kannst, Aktion nehmen, um zurückzukehren, was passiert. Okay. Okay, look, so Ryan Coogler, very interesting guy, interesting story, great filmmaker.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
The movie Sinners opens in theaters this Friday, April 18th. It's showing in IMAX, which is the format Ryan encourages you to see it in. It is a horror movie. It is a... A vampire-centric horror movie, but in a very unique way. It's framed around music and around the blues and around the black experience from the Delta to Chicago, back to the Delta.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
And the different sort of ways he approaches music in the movie are interesting. Look, I'll let it speak for itself. This is me talking to Ryan Coogler.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1634 - Ryan Coogler
I'm looking out on what I imagine is Lake Michigan, correct? And it's pretty, it's a little overcast. It's quiet because this is a summer town. So it's got that summer town off-season vibe. I guess it's similar to like an island, like island people. I mean, there are definitely locals who spend the summer accommodating tourists who are there to have a good time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber wenn du anfängst, was war das Bereich, in dem du geboren bist?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Also hattest du Freunde in der Schule, mit denen du Comedy geschrieben hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So when you're hanging out with your friends and you're writing sketches, you're inspired by these shows?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich meine, ich denke, die Frage ist, weil ich Zeit in Edinburgh verbracht habe und dann, weißt du, was das Festival von Performern erwartet, I guess it would really be hard to determine, and I don't know what your career has been like, but I mean, do you consider yourself like, you're obviously not a mainstream comic, so you weren't touring like comedy clubs, were you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And I, you know, I flew up there. Ali Lukowski came with me and she opened. But I was, you know, in shock and traumatized and fucked up. And I had to move through it. And I did it on stage for an audience that was incredibly supportive and understanding and understood what was happening in the world, the world of their state, Los Angeles. People had friends, family there, here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Yeah, I mean, early on, I mean, he, I think he quit comedy, not because he would necessarily make the environment peculiar, but just because they weren't getting on board with his groove, you know?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And at some point he, you know, he stopped and then he came back. It was a very, it was a very profound thing to me. Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber wann hat es angefangen, wie du weißt, wenn ich assume, du weißt, im Zuschauen. Baby Reindeer und nicht gesehen zu haben, dass die Show, auf der es basiert, aber wissend, dass du ein paar andere Shows gemacht hast und du hast, du weißt die Zone, in der du arbeitest. Also, du weißt, wie du trackst, wie, wann hat es angefangen, nach Süden zu gehen? Wann hat es angefangen, für dich zu gehen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Du weißt, als Kind, weil du es ein riesiges Teil anbringst, ich schätze.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But was there a point where you started to lose control?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich habe das Gefühl, dass man keinen kompletten Sinn für sich hat. Und ich denke, das ist der Grund, warum ich es in Bezug auf Baby Reindeer gesehen habe, dass ich es verstehen kann. Es bringt dich ein, du hast eine Art Gaping Hole.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich meine, trackst du es zu deiner Kindheit? Ich weiß, in Baby Reindeer ist es eine Art Vollzirkel-Moment mit deinem Vater und dem, was da über seinen Vergangenheit suggeriert wird. Aber ich meine, in der Erwachsenheit, was machte dein Vater?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And it was kind of an epic experience for me to move through my feelings in real time, which is really what I do. And I had not done an hour in a while and that was an incredible, incredible night. And then we went to Napa. We did a show in Napa. That audience was difficult. It was tricky. I had a couple of outbursts. Not outbursts. One was supportive. A woman needed to give me a gift.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Also das war eine Fiktionalisierung in Bezug auf das, was in Baby Reindeer war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Warst du nervös oder waren deine Interessen seltsam?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And they were so overbearing and had such an impact. And then you get older and you're like, it was you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But physically, no. You're not like, you're not a scrapper. No, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But in the sense of like, you know, being able to take... Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Yeah, I think so. But I think sometimes it's just... And maybe we're similar, because I don't find it to be similar with a lot of people. But, you know, if you get to... If your sense of self or your insecurity or your anxiety is so much, I mean, there... The one thing about stand-up is you can find yourself up there or some version of you if you want to fight it out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And she needed to do that in the middle of the show and tell me how much she loved me. And she gave me her little knitted cat and her... Ja, genau. Today on the show I've got Richard Gad here. He's the writer, actor, comedian and the creator of the Netflix series Baby Reindeer, which had a profound effect on me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Some sort of space you can hold that's your own.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So you did the whole Macbeth without really having a sense of Shakespeare. You just memorized it and did you have a good director?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So did it speak to you, the torment of that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ja, aber du hast Comedy gewählt. Ich meine, Macbeth ist nicht wirklich eine Comedy. Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Also, du liebtest, du liebtest Sitcoms zu sehen. Ja. Und hast du, hast du einen Sinn, wie, na, diese sind geschrieben und ich könnte sie schreiben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber es ist auch in der Tonalität in deinem Alley. Ich meine, in der Kringfaktor.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Well, when you got to university, what were you studying?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But it's also like, though, but English and Theater Studies, it's not like, well, that'll get you a job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber du hast einige Lieder geschrieben? Ja, ich habe einige Lieder geschrieben. Mit vielen Leuten in ihnen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ja, genau. War es die Hauptdramaschule? Oder waren es die Seriös-Aktoren und dann hatten sie ein Drama für Englisch-Majoren?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ja, aber, also, du weißt, du brauchst einen bestimmten Gradpunkt-Avergleich, um in eine bessere Schule zu kommen. Ja, ja, ja. Du weißt, wenn du ein mediocre Student oder ein schlechter Student bist, werden deine Entscheidungen für die Hochschule verringert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich habe immer gesagt, ich schreibe fünf Tage, um Paragraphen zu öffnen. Ich kann nie einen fucking Punkt machen. Und ich konnte einfach nicht herausfinden, wie ich es strukturieren kann. Die Idee, einen jetzt zu schreiben, ist schrecklich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So you applied yourself, as they say, in the business.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So alongside of this, you know, this revelation in discipline.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
I don't know if you've seen it, but to me it was deep and it was courageous and it was fucked up and amazing. He won three Emmys for the show and his performance is nominated for a Screen Actors Guild Award. And I'll give you a little more preface to him in a minute. Hopefully I'll be in Fort Collins, Colorado at the Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th, this Friday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
You're off getting, you know, battle scarred in the comedy world.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber was ist die Art? Ich meine, von jetzt an, von dem, was du mir sagst, du gehst zur Uni, du verpissst dich und du merkst, ich kann nicht irgendwo hin, wenn ich das mache. Und dann lockst du dich ein und du schaffst es. Aber es muss etwas in der persönlichen Welt passieren, das nicht besonders gut ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Well, I mean, well, to get to where, because you said, you know, from when you were a kid to, you know, to Baby Reindeer, that there was a lot of changes that happened.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Also hat es dir eine Distraktion von der Unabhängigkeit von dem, was dich konsumiert. Ja, ja. Und so hat der natürliche Schritt, als du deine Fähigkeit hattest, war es, darüber zu schreiben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Du weißt, wenn du Lachen schreibst, um Lachen zu machen, oder du machst nur Komödie, um Komödie zu machen, dann ist das fast eine andere Fähigkeit. Ich meine, es ist eine gute, um sie zu haben. Aber wenn du dich herausstellst, um dich selbst zu erinnern, wirst du immer so eine selbstentwickelte Person sein. Aber es klingt so, und ich kann es daran erinnern, du weißt, was da noch ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich bin nicht so interessiert. In den anderen Sachen kann ich diese Art von Lachen machen, aber die echte Erklärung kommt aus der Erklärung deiner eigenen Psyche, richtig?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Oh, so that happened in a similar way to Baby Reindeer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Boulder at the Boulder Theater on January 18th. I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, the 30th. San Luis Obispo, California at Fremont Center on the Friday, the 31st. Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, the 1st. Iowa City at the Ingler Theater on February 13th. It's a Thursday.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Yeah, I know. I mean, I had... Like, I know what that's like. When I was in college, I had an experience with a professor who was of that ilk. And again, it comes down to, you know, them seeing that part of you that is vulnerable and what they could take advantage of because you want to be like them or you want to do what they do or you look up to them, you know?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And how much coming out of the situation like that, though, were you wrestling with in terms of blaming yourself?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Right, because what happens is that when it's repeated and the relationship is maintained, you know, you have to reframe it. Yes. That you are a victim.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And if you lack confidence, you know, it's very easy to blame yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So then you're left with no recourse but to destroy yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Des Moines, Iowa at the Hoyt Sherman Place on Friday, February 14th. And Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theater on Saturday, February 15th. And then I'll be doing shows in North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois, Michigan. You can go to WTFpod.com slash tour for all of my dates and links to tickets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber hast du auch viele Drogen und Alkohol benutzt? Oh ja. Auch von dir selbst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Du bist also rausgekommen und hast dich genug aufgewühlt. Wie lange hat es gedauert, bis du es geschrieben hast? Hast du es in Stückchen geschrieben? Ich habe es ein Jahr lang geschrieben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So much was at stake, psychologically and emotionally for you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Well, I think it's interesting because to speak about it specifically, because I have a bit that I'm doing now that, you know, is pretty good. You know, it's personal and it has to do with the possibility of sexual abuse. Yeah. Is that... What is unsaid is that there is nobody not affected by this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And nobody can talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's just very few people that get out alive without having some sort of traumatic experience around that kind of subject matter. So I imagine because of the way you crafted it, You know, it was relatable enough to where people, you know, can reflect on their own unsaid things, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Knowing what to do in the face of what's happening, it's difficult. It's been a stressful... And terrible few days out here. These fires are ongoing. They're terrifying. And I am lucky as of this moment. I'm safe. As I said, the animals are safe. Kit is safe. Kit's animals are safe. Many people have lost everything. And it's just fucking incomprehensible and tragic. And it's heartbreaking.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
I think most people, men certainly, are taught to suck it up. Just deal with it. Keep it to yourself and compartmentalize it and live your life. But so many of the lives that people live and their emotional capabilities are so damaged from that. But they don't source it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So I imagine on some level by being open about it that people were able to make these connections of like, oh my god, I've been doing this my whole life and the reason I have this issue is because of this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ja, weil du könntest, was passiert ist, ich denke, du könntest sich fast schämlich fühlen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So after you do the show... Wie hat das dein Leben verändert?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Yeah, but it's interesting that whatever time availed you in the next horrendous story that defined that show gave you the wherewithal to not mask it at all.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But it was always a possibility out here. It's just fucking devastating. And I just, I feel awful for so many people that are dealing with the destruction of their entire lives. Entire communities were decimated. It looks like a fucking nuclear bomb went off in some parts of L.A. County.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ja, natürlich. Das ist genau das Gleiche. Hatte der sexuelle Verbrechen vorher geschehen? Ja. Richtig. Also hat sich die Tür geöffnet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Mit jemandem, der die Erfahrung kontextualisieren kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So when you processed everything that became Monkey See, Monkey Do, the stalker situation was ongoing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And quite honestly, having been there, it feels a little bit like post 9-11 here in terms of the collective trauma that people are moving through. There was always the possibility of this. It was part of the devil's bargain you exist with to live in this city. Earthquakes, fires. Some part of you was in enough denial or blind faith to just accept it and hope for the best.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Also du hast einen einfacheren Weg durchgekommen, um dich auszulassen. Ja, ja. In etwas, worüber du keine Kontrolle hattest.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Und es war sehr bedrohlich, um dich auszulassen. Aber als du es gemacht hast... Es musste ein ganz anderer Niveau der gleichen Gefühle sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich habe das noch nie verstanden, in dem Sinne von Edinburgh, wo es Komedien gibt, die Theater-Spiele machen. Einige sind mehr leiser als andere. Was ist also der Prozess, um diese Szenen herauszuarbeiten?
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Das TV-Show ist also anders, weil das beide Shows kombiniert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Was war die Struktur der theatrischen Produktion von Baby Reindeer?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Es scheint immer so zu sein, dass von Anfang an, egal was du tust, etwas außerhalb der Komödie war, im Sinne des Theaters. Ja, ja. Das ist anders als viele Comics, die in Edinburgh gehen, die versuchen, eine Stunde Material in ein thematisiertes Werk zu reichen. Ja, ja, ja. Dass du immer bewusst warst, dass du Theater-Spiele tust.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Those days are fucking over, man. It just seems that if you are a rational person, you would move as quickly as possible from this fucking city. And I imagine many will. And I am making plans. I mean, fuck it. This has always been possible. And it's fucking time to go. It's unsustainable. I mean, checking the app for fires every few minutes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Und was ist deine Erfahrung mit anderen Comics? Bist du Teil der Gemeinschaft oder fühlst du dich wieder draußen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But comedy in the sense of doing comedy, but not in the sense of writing theater?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
How did you get the support to do the TV show?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Kommissionär ist das Wort für Entwicklungsleute?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber von Anfang an hattest du die Monkey-See-Monkey-Do-Story in?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Nein, wir sind in Ordnung, wir sind in Ordnung. Ich denke, es ist für einen anderen. Ja. Yeah, it's not here. It's fucking crazy, dude.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And then I realized while doing that, that this feeling of needing to check to see if you are in the path of destruction over and over, that it's going to be a lot like checking your newsfeed after January 20th. Where is the fire? What has he done? Am I safe? Can I live my life freely without overwhelming fear? I really don't know how I will manage in that much fear.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Das ist für einen Feuer auf der anderen Seite des Bootes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Es ist unglaublich. Es ist ein anderer Art von Trauma. Because we're always afraid of this. But we've never seen anything like this. And during the first Trump administration, during COVID, there was a firestorm here. And it was just apocalyptic. And you spend a lot of time just wondering, is it near here? How far is it? But it's never been like this kind of all around the city. But it's weird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Um... Some of these are being downgraded, but some are, you know, still going. It's just, it's natural disaster time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Yeah, I was down there last night. I went down to Hollywood from here just because I didn't, I just wanted to get ahead of it. And then that fire broke out right there. Where on sunset were you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Like I went to Hollywood to, you know, anyway, so... So Netflix got on board and you wrote the scripts, all of them?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich meine, ich schätze, dass du nicht ganz weißt, was zu erwarten ist. Nein, ich habe es nicht erwartet.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
I didn't know anything about it. Yeah. And, you know, and I think, I don't know, I can't remember. I remember, like, I was like, well, what is this? Und dann, als ich es gesehen habe, dachte ich mir, du musst es sehen, weil es persönlich mit mir in einer Art und Weise resoniert hat. Und ich dachte, es war überraschend, für all die Gründe, über die du sprichst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Also jetzt, nachdem das fertig ist, was denkst du, was du tust? Was denkst du, was du tust? Entschuldige, ich bin nur, ja. Ja, nein, nein. Wir sind okay. Ist alles in Ordnung? Ich denke, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ja, ich kann sicher sagen, wir sind okay. So, once you exercise, you know, these parts of you and you're the kind of act that you are, even if you do, you've done a lot of these high concept shows that were driven by a vulnerability and a place, you know, of darkness in you. I mean, how do you feel in terms of your confidence to generate outside of yourself?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Oh, wirklich? Und wie unterschiedlich ist der Charakter von dir, wenn es einen einzigen Charakter gibt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So again, the cats are okay. You know, they bounced back pretty quickly. You know, they just, and they were okay in the hotel room. You know, I really think, you know, when we self-evacuated that one night and I put them in the bathroom, you know, and then they all started running around the hotel room and, well, you know. Within an hour, I think Charlie could have lived there.
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Was siehst du aus? Sechs Episoden? Ja, sechs Episoden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And how are your folks feeling about all the revelations and the process?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And then the intrigue after and whatever happened after outside of the show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
He was like, this is okay. I'm okay. Manageable space. You're here. Fuck it. Is this where we are now? Sammy, the moron, was kind of, he came out too into the room. He's like, I don't know where I am, but Charlie's here. And Buster, the intelligent one, the sensitive one, he wedged himself under the bed. Aber das ist so, wie Katzen sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Folks, four years ago today, we were still hunkering down at home doing interviews over Zoom, but that allowed me to talk to Kate Winslet, who was also stuck at home over in England. I woke up in a lockdown frenzy, just aggravated. You?
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
That's Kate Winslet from Episode 1192. And you can listen to that for free on whatever app you're using. For every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder, before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. This is one take guitar.
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Und es ist unglaublich, wie verbunden ich mit diesen Katzen in dieser Krise bin. Und jetzt haben sie alle ihren eigenen Carrier. Für schnellen Transport. Im Falle des Fliehens. Aber man wird an diese Tiere verbunden. Ich bin immer überrascht, wie viel mein Leben um sie dreht. Ich finde das nicht traurig, ich liebe die Dinge, die ich ohne Angst lieben kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Ich erinnere mich, als ich verabredet wurde, dachte ich mir, vielleicht sollte ich einfach in ein Apartment gehen und das alte Haus verlassen. I remember thinking, I can't do that because Boomer lives outside and what the hell is he going to do? So I'll just suck it up and take the hit because my outdoor cat would be displaced. Those times have changed. Displacement seems a certainty now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
So Richard Gad was here a few days ago. It was just a day in or maybe a day and a half, two days into the horrendous fires out here. And there is a point during the interview where, you know, we get an emergency evacuation alert, which turned out to have gone out to too many people. It was not about my neighborhood.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But it happened, and you can sort of feel that moment of, you know, fuck, what are we doing? Are we leaving? Is it over? What are we doing? And a couple of things I should set up for this. So in the conversation, you know, we talk about, he did a couple of stage shows, right? at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, that were the basis of Baby Reindeer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
And if you haven't seen it, I just want to, in terms of reference here, the Baby Reindeer series... Was based on a couple of different shows, things from a couple of different shows that Richard did. One being Monkey See, Monkey Do. And that was about the sexual abuse that he...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
was victim to as an adult by a person in the business and he was drugged and abused sexually and that was from Monkey See, Monkey Do and then there was another show that was actually called Baby Reindeer which centered around a person who wound up stalking him and You know, there's a lot of things going on with that.
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
When he says there are things he can't talk about, it's because Netflix is currently being sued by a woman who alleges that she was the one being depicted in the show. And that is ongoing. But this was an honest and connected talk. And it's heavy. Ich meine, es kann für manche Menschen triggern, wenn es um sexuellen Verbrechen oder Stalking geht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast, WTF. Welcome to it. I'm okay for now. Cats are safe. Kit is safe. Winds are picking up today. I don't know what to do with that. I don't imagine anybody has the brain to manage what is happening out here. I'll talk about that in a second.
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber ich denke, es wird persönlich behandelt und mit einer bestimmten Anzahl von Prozessen. Es ist gegründet. Richard ist auch für eine großartige Leistung von einem männlichen Schauspieler in einer Miniserie oder Fernsehserie an den Screen Actors Guild Awards nominiert. Und ich wusste nichts über ihn. Und ich dachte, er sei ein bisschen älter als er war.
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Und ich wusste nicht wirklich die Natur seines theatrischen Arbeits oder seines Stand-up-Arts. Also war es interessant, darüber zu sprechen. Das ist ich, zu Richard Gad.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
I've been in LA this time, you know, for a while. But I was in New York and I was in Boston, San Francisco, a lot of different places. Chasing the dream.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Well, you know, when you start out, you want to kind of, you got to find a scene where you can work. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, figure it out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Aber ich meine, ich habe keinen Sinn, wie ich, du weißt, es ist seltsam, ich bin in England vor Jahren, nahe dem Anfang des Podcasts, und ich hatte keinen Sinn von dieser Szene da, also war es ein bisschen seltsam, weil ich Leute interviewen wollte, aber ich habe Stuart Lee interviewiert, was groß war. Ja. Aber dann habe ich auch Simon Munnery interviewiert.
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Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Oh mein Gott. Aber du bist in England gekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Also 2011, also etwa 15 Jahre, seitdem du Stand-Up gemacht hast? Ja, etwa 15 Jahre. Und was war es, was für eine Teil der Skotland, in der du geboren bist? Ich habe keinen Sinn dafür. Ich hatte einen, und ich habe das oft auf dem Show gesprochen, ich hatte eine horrende Erfahrung auf der Fringe, die nichts mit etwas zu tun hatte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Wenn ich dir darüber gesprochen hätte, würdest du sagen, das klingt einfach wie... Wie es ist. Aber für mich war es wie ein Monat von Gewalt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
But I did pull myself away from the panic of being home and the need to be close to the cats if we needed to evacuate to go do a couple of gigs. Because I felt like I had to, because if I didn't show up for that. And look again, this situation out here is fluid and it's tragic and it's fucking incomprehensible. I went up to Sacramento and Napa. It's Sacramento Friday night.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Es ist. Und wenn du keine Gruppen drehst, ist es wie ein Leveln.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1608 - Richard Gadd
Wie hast du dich, aber wer hat dir das Venue gegeben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It's weird. It almost happens in a dream. I'll try to tell you about it. I will try to tell you about it. Today on the show, I talked to Bridget Everett. She's the star and executive producer of the HBO series Somebody Somewhere. She got her start in the New York Cabaret scene. And I'll be honest with you. When I got the opportunity to interview Bridget, I didn't really know her.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich dachte, ich habe einen toten Rappen geschmissen. Also war ich nur im Wohnzimmer mit diesem Panik. Es gibt etwas Schreckliches daran, einen Toten zu finden, als es ist, einen lebenden zu finden. Es ist einfach das Schlimmste. Es ist Horror. Es ist pure Horror.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja, ich meine, du bist im Südwesten geboren und du hast diese Mäuse und alles überall. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja? Ich meine, die lebenden oder tot? Beide. Oh, ja?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, frogs, toads, yeah. They'll show up in the filters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
No, we're good. We're recording. Okay. So it's happening. Okay. You know, what will be used? I mean, I think this is pretty good stuff. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Possums are kind of both cute and horrifying at the same time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich meine, du weißt nicht, was du mit den Feralen tun wirst. Du weißt nicht, wie sie gehen werden. Und ich habe einen Hund. Aber sie sind so hart. Es ist irgendwie verrückt. In meinem alten Haus gab es einen schwarzen, sterbenden Katzen. Ein Feral, der so wild war. Er konnte nichts hören. Er lebte für Jahre. Und das ist verrückt. Wie der Herr war er? Endlich haben sie ihn bekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Sie sind wilde Tiere. Es gibt nichts, was man tun kann, außer sie zu füllen und sie zu bewegen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I didn't know the show, but I knew she was a thing. I knew the show was a thing for some people. So I was like, okay, sure. You know, Brendan told me she got started in, you know, Cabaret. And I was like, all right, well, that's close to comedy. All right, fine. And then I started watching the show, Somebody Somewhere. And what... A great show. What a great show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It's so funny about your show, Somebody Somewhere. I didn't watch it forever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I know, it's just the nature of finding things or what's going to connect you, how it's going to connect you. I don't know that I knew anything about it. And then I wanted to talk to you and I thought like, well, you know, let's do it. Gut, ich bin froh. Und ich habe alle drei Saisons gesehen. Oh, du hast es gesehen. Wie zurück zu zurück.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich weine. Ich weine einfach. Es ist eine... Es ist eine tolle Show. Danke. Und jetzt bin ich so, wie ist niemand, der das sieht? Ich gebe Lippenservice und sage Leuten, du musst es sehen. Und sie sind so, wirklich, was ist das? Und ich bin so, ich weiß es nicht. Das ist, warum niemand es sieht. But it's a very touching, funny, great story with great characters. And so I'm doing what I can.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Das ist lustig, das ist, wie sie es schulden sollten. Große Charaktere, kleine Momente.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
No, no, it's completely uplifting and touching. The characters feel grounded and real. The writing's really kind of good. You don't fall into any traps of like... Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber es ist nicht so, dass niemand wirklich verändert. Aber in der Fase von Tragödie oder Schmerz, dass es alles benötigt, ich habe es selbst erlebt. And, you know, when you're in it at the beginning, there's no way to control it and there's no way out. And then as time goes on, you know that what you're going to do is you're going to live with it, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Look, I don't know if it's for everybody. I'm not even sure why it's for me. But I started watching it and I was locked in. I loved her. I loved her character. I loved the comedy of it. I loved the other characters. I was crying. I was laughing. I was invested emotionally. I watched it like nonstop all the way through all three seasons. She just got me, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So in that grief, all these other parts of your being sort of come forward, you know, the hopelessness, like what's the point and all that other stuff that's always there, but may not be fully part of you. But just the process of moving through grief is a dramatic change.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
To get to a point where you're not... Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It's the most common thing that people want to avoid.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
That's like just something that just wasn't... Yeah, and if you get that question, it's a one or two word answer and you move by.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So there's a comfort level there. Es gibt einen Komfort-Level. Ist es aufgrund von dir? Wie kam der Show dazu? Ich bin kein großer Kabarett-Mann. Überraschend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich weiß es, und ich würde es wahrscheinlich genießen. Aber ich mache nicht viele Dinge, die ich genießen würde. Like I know they're out there and I know when I've experienced them, I feel, you know, moved and emotional. It's too much. Yeah, you're just getting there. That's the problem with me. It's like, all right, so how are we going to go to the place? And then is there parking? All of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
All of it. And then I leave early. We gotta beat the crowd. So it's all about what happens on either side. But I didn't know your background. But yeah, let's talk about that. So you grew up in Manhattan, Kansas. What were you doing there? Regular stuff? Like were your parents... Farmers?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, I know exactly what it means. It's like there's the thing that you that engages with people, then there's the thing inside going like, they don't like me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I mean, I just couldn't pull away from it. I just thought it was so beautiful and human and interesting and eclectic and diverse. And there's something about her character that I obviously identified with emotionally. And man, did we have a conversation. I can't explain it. Sometimes I just feel so connected to somebody's character. But she's a lot like the character. It's basically her character.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I went to Arizona State on a... But you knew early on that singing kind of got you out of yourself?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich fühle mich... Ich hatte das für mein ganzes Leben verärgert. Ich spiele Gitarre und so. Und auch wenn ich Leute sehe, wenn ich singe, fühle ich mich, als wäre es das höchst aufregende, vulnerable, was ich tun kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Und ich liebe das Gefühl nicht. Ich habe es besser gemacht, aber als Comic oder jemand, der auf der Bühne lebt, um das Teil von mir zu zeigen, fühlt es sich so fragil und seltsam an. Aber das ist nicht, wo mein Showman-Stuff kommt. Ich singe nicht mit Sicherheit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It's so moving, man. If I go to a musical and even watching your show, like when you finally get up on stage, I'm like, oh God. I've just become this crying man. I try to do it alone. Are you a crier? I am, but I mean not in situations that would warrant it. Like I feel... If I'm in a situation with a human and that feeling comes up, I'll try to keep it down. But if I'm watching a show or a movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Well, I usually have Kleenex out here. Tom Green was in here the other day and his dog threw up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It works for all holes. Exactly. Sure. But so all your siblings just kind of beat up on you? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Es fühlt sich so an, als würden sie den Künstlerbrain brechen, weil sie fühlen, dass sie das tun müssen. Ich meine, es war so viel besser. Ich bin froh, dass jeder die Freiheit hat, sein eigenes Ding auf seinem Telefon oder auf seiner Kamera zu machen. Aber manchmal haben die Gatekeepers es besser gemacht, weil es ist so, dass wir ein ganzes Show machen wollen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Wir werden es produzieren und die Leute würden es sehen. Und jetzt weiß ich nicht, was passiert ist. Ich weiß, es ist nicht gut. Ich weiß, ich klinge wie einer dieser Leute, die jetzt einfach so... Ja, ich meine, wie kannst du nicht, wenn du in einem anderen Zeitraum gekommen bist? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But, you know, we got into some other stuff. But I was just so surprised and excited to be so emotionally torn up and entertained by that show. It's a big talk and it was really great for me. I think it was for her. I think we kind of ended kind of amazed at ourselves. So New York City, I just got back. And look, we made it through this long run together.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber wenn du growing up bist und in diesen verschiedenen Orten singst, wann merkst du, dass es eine Sache ist, die du tun wirst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Oh, really? So when you went to college? Yeah, Arizona State. Oh, in Tucson? Tempe. Yeah, Tempe. Oh, that's right. University of Arizona. I've been to Tempe plenty.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, I have a lot of history. I had an ex-wife from there. Oh, jeez. My brother had a wife from there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Sure, so that was when it was like kind of a... It was a great new restaurant here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber ich meine... Ich war immer verärgert von Karaoke. Oh, wirklich? Verärgert. Leute hassen es. Aber ich weiß, dass Leute es machen, weil es Spaß macht. Und sie singen nicht unbedingt gut. Ja. Aber es ist einfach Spaß zu machen. Und jeder weiß, dass das der Score ist. Ja. Für Karaoke.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber in meinem Gehirn ist es so, wenn ich nicht gut singe, werde ich auf diese lustige Sache gehen und einfach sagen, oh, fuck. Warum the fuck? Ich bin schrecklich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Es ist großartig. Aber ich erinnere mich daran, dass es einen Mann in unserer Gemeinschaft gab, ich habe ihn in Jahren nicht gesehen, aber sie hatten Partys oder sie hatten eine Sache in einer Karaoke-Bar mit Comics und so. Und dieser Kerl konnte singen und er würde einfach diese fucking Zeppelin-Song oder so machen. Und ich wäre einfach so, ah, fuck him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So when you finished college, you went back home? Well, you know, sometimes it works, right? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I was like, fuck it. But you never went back. How did your family react to it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
You know, from a week ago Friday through, you know, Toronto and Vermont, Portsmouth, New Hampshire. That show went great. And then, like, I drove down. We had a rented car, me and Kathy Ladman, who was opening for me. She did great on the special and on all the shows. We drove down from Portsmouth to Boston, flew to New York. We made it. I didn't lose anything else. I got home.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Die Erwartungen sind verrückt. Du kannst 20 Jahre arbeiten, alles gut machen und deine Eltern sagen, mein Vater sagte immer, du sollst mit Bill Maher sprechen, er scheint es zu wissen. Like there's some ticket. Yeah. You know, and now it's impossible because no one knows where to watch anything. Yeah, it's true.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And, you know, you're excited about a show and people are literally like, I've never heard of it. And you're like, what do you mean? Yeah. It's a big show. Well, where do you watch it? It's like, it's so annoying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I don't know. I don't know. It sounds like it could be a network.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So when you went to New York, what were your expectations?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Hast du das zu einer Kindertheater-Audition gemacht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja, ich meine, 1995, 1997, wann bin ich weggegangen? Ich meine, ich bin nicht wirklich bis 2001 weggegangen. Ja, also ich war, ich bin nach Queens geflogen. Ich war in Astoria, um Comedy zu machen. War es da, also wo, wenn du arbeitest und du die Hands-On-Grad-Show machst, dann bist du, wie, du hast nicht für ein Jahr gearbeitet?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
My computer was back. Which was nice. And my cats hadn't shit anywhere. And there was limited cat drama. I don't know how it worked out. You know, the woman who watches my cats, she bought them a bunch of toys. She exhausted them every night. She was giving them the Zilkine or Charlie and some probiotic calming stuff. It seems like him and Buster are kind of at it again, but no shit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
You know, there's certain comics. There's a certain type of female performer that resonates.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich weiß es nicht. Was einfach wird, wenn es zu dem Punkt kommt, vielleicht warst du älter, aber wenn das erotische Verhalten beginnt, wo du einfach nicht weißt, was du bekommen wirst, es schafft eine Art von Pensivität.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Eine kleine Angst, was wird passieren? Und du führst das mit dir.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, no, me too. I can be more intimate and vulnerable with a room full of strangers than I can in my personal relationships. It's a fucking nightmare in a way. I mean, for some reason I... When I'm just with people that I'm building relationships with or whatever, the vulnerability is too frightening somehow. Like I'm going to be pummeled.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I mean, no shit. Which was really nice to come home to. Now I gotta wait for three days for them all to calm the fuck down and realize I'm back in charge. I got it. I'm the king. I'm the alpha of you three little fucks. Sammy, I'm not even sure Sammy knows me. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, and sometimes, well then, you know, the fear of leaving will stop you from engaging. Yeah. Right? Yeah. It's the fucking worst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've worn these people out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I feel safer there, as you're mentioning before, like more... Well, it's your space. Yeah. You kind of own it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
They're like, well, I'm in. Well, it's interesting, because I know in the show... You know, people who grow up with that, like, because I have it too, there's, I know I have this neediness that I've, you know, kind of boxed up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And it lives in me. Yeah. Because I've learned from experience that, you know, I could be an exhausting friend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Well, just, I mean, like, I was always the kind of guy that, like, you know, I'd get one friend, and that relationship on my side was sort of, like, totally engaged. Mm-hmm. But I just needed that one guy. And if that started to wobble, I'd be like, what the fuck is happening? What am I doing? I remember that, but at some point I killed that part of me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Well, I think over as I get older, you know, I have friends for many years now, but it's still... I used to do a joke about it. I used to do like, you know, I don't know how... When people say they have a lot of friends, I'm like, no, you don't. You're like... And I say, you only need two friends. You need the main guy and the guy you go to when you drain the main guy. Hey man, can I talk to you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
He's like, well, I'm kind of busy right now. I'll call the other guy. You take a break.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
You're carrying a few. I'm carrying a few.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich sollte. Ja. I've gone sporadically, sometimes for long periods of time, but as you get older, you're like, that was another bit I did, when you go to a therapist as an older person, you kind of know yourself, you know why you're going. So it's sort of like, look, I know there's some things we're not going to be able to unfuck.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I'm having these specific things, so maybe give me some perspective on that. And sometimes it helps. I just started again, actually.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I do, yeah. It's not a big laugh line, but it's an interesting image.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, yeah. Well, sometimes it's sort of, you're trying to prompt it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja, es ist ein Trick und ich mag es nicht, wenn ich es auf der Bühne tue, weißt du. Weil, weißt du, du tust das gleiche, wie du das Akt über und über wieder tust. Und dann findest du dich lachen in dem richtigen Ort. Okay, also du bist da unbedeutend. Lass es sie haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Also habe ich es einfach weggebracht. Oh, ich packe Dinge in meinem Show, die nie gelacht werden. Aber ich mag sie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Take it. It's yours. So, but when you start, what's the evolution? I don't know the cabaret scene. Were there comics around that I might know in the cabaret scene? Stand-ups ever?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich kann es nicht wirklich erinnern, ehrlich gesagt. Das ist interessant. Also bist du ins Festival gekommen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Because there were so many scenes in New York.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I always thought that they are sort of compatible. So many cabaret acts are hilarious. There is comedy all the way through it, usually.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber wenn du diese Karaoke-Nachts und dann bist du an anderen Leuten Shows, wie stelle du ein ganzes Cabaret-Show zusammen? Wann passiert das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Und du hast einen Komposer, mit dem du arbeitest?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
When you do the band, is it just an extension of the cabaret where you're doing stuff in between?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It's just a matter of whether you can fill the space. Yeah, it is. And you feel it. Yeah, and I wasn't sure. But you did it. Yeah. So, but in all this, it's a whole life that you're living. So how does the show happen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Right. But Caroline wasn't there still, was she?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Because she was a head of HBO years ago. I've known her for my whole life, it feels like.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
All the people at the Bam Harvey were just great. And that theater is such a special place. I can't even explain it to you. You'll see it on the special, but it was built in like the early, early 1900s. And instead of renovating it. They kind of preserved it in its decay. So it has a sort of personality that you don't see much in theaters that old.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So you had a deal, so you were working with these showrunners like Michael, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, that's great. Yeah. So when... When you cast it, because I don't know Jeff Hiller, but I know he does some pretty wild stuff. He's great. In terms of like, I think my girlfriend knows him from horror stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
No, I know, but like, you know, that sort of... Es scheint mir zu sein, dass die Beziehung, die ihr in dem Show habt, so süß ist, aber er wird euch nicht wegwerfen lassen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja. Das ist... Wie wir es vorhin gesprochen haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, he's great. You guys are great together. But like, where did you get the... Did you feel, were you nervous about the acting?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Because most of the time they get flipped, they get renovated. Many places renovate them appropriately to the time or restore the stuff that was there. But this place, the Harvey, is completely unique in that it has kind of broken down a bit. It's almost a bit of a ruin in a way. So they just let that be and they just kind of maintain it. They didn't, you know, restore it per se.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Nein, nein, ich weiß nicht, dass ich es habe, aber ich kann es tun. Ja. Weißt du, was ich meine? Aber ich fühle mich nicht, als hätte ich viel Range in Bezug auf Charakter. Aber ich weiß, dass ich hören kann und ich weiß, dass ich präsent sein kann und ich weiß, dass ich mich emotional engagieren kann. Ja, das ist es. Mit der Szene. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But I knew also when I did my show on IFC that just from seeing other comics, I knew that there was going to be a learning curve and I would probably suck for about a season or two. Just because I don't know how to be in my body that way. And I did, I thought. But it was fine. It was on IFC and I knew it going in. It was one of the first times I was like, dude, you don't know how to do this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And the stakes aren't that high. So just figure it out. Yeah. And I think I figured out something. And I feel better about it. But when you do some version of yourself, which I think everyone does.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But then in terms of getting jobs, I'm sort of like, am I being creative? Is it worth all the time I'm spending in the trailer? Is it satisfying? Yeah. Es ist schwer, mich zu beurteilen. Aber wenn du, wie du, und wie ich in meinem Show auch, und ich habe gerade einen kleinen Film gemacht, wo ich der Leiter bin, wenn du so beschäftigt bist, ist es großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber wenn du Zeit hast, in der Trailer zu sitzen und zu sagen, was ist das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, what could be going on? But, you know, I'm looking for challenging things that will make me feel like I'm making very distinct choices and I'm sort of like, well, that's not really me. And I've done some, you know, I think I did okay on Glow. I think you did great. Well, thanks. But I'm not, I'm not, I... I'm more confident now because I give less of a fuck, I think.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, I think in terms of everything. Because you get to a certain age where you're like, what the fuck difference? You did it. But I still can't watch myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Das ist interessant, weil ich nichts bemerkt habe. Was wir bemerken, von dem, was wir in der Saison sehen, und dann das, was wir sehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
They honor what it is. And it's got an incredible personality. And when I first went to the place and I saw the back wall of the theater that I believe still had paint on it from somewhere back in the 1900s, early 1900s. And the whole back of the theater, as I might have said before, looked like a piece of art to me, like a Rothko painting or something. It was chipped away.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich muss einfach aufhören, Fan-Girl zu sein. Oh, das passiert mir immer. Das ist verrückt. Ja, weil, wer bin ich? In diesem Film habe ich eine Szene mit Sharon Stone gemacht. Und ich war so, was zur Hölle passiert hier?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja, und ich konnte wirklich nicht, wir haben zwei Fotos für einen Meister gemacht und ich ging zurück zu meinem Trailer und ich war so, hol mich aus dem Film. Ich kann nicht, was mache ich? Ich bin kein Schauspieler. Es ist Sharon Stone da und sie ist alles drin. Ja. Und es war einer dieser seltsamen Momente, wo ich meinte, Alter, du solltest es zusammenbringen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Siehst du, schau dir die kleinen Punkte an, die du von Al Pacino gelernt hast. Weißt du, warum du da bist? Was machst du? Geh zu dem Charakter und fucking.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I don't either. Who turned this down? I don't even have that many Instagram followers. What do you think you're going to get out of me? On the promotional side.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But you are undeniably a thing. So you have your own thing. I know I do too. But sometimes I think the thing that they think I am is limited. I'm not just some cranky fuck. I'm sensitive. I run deep, man. Let's get to the deep part.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Mark Maron, I'm deep. I'm always doing some version of that. I think this special is going to be called Panicked.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja, Propofol, der Beta-Blocker. Ist das, was es heißt? Ja, ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But now like what I do when I'm nervous or like I have to travel and I got to do this special next Saturday. Is that like, you know, God damn it, I hope I don't get a cold sore. I hope I don't get sick. Is my hair okay? I mean, what the fuck is happening? Why did I choose this shirt? Like anything to undermine myself. And it's like, I can't fucking figure out why is that happening?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, just like, you know, and I have to shut it off. That's why I got on this medicine I got on.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It had different colors, different tones. And I'm like, we're using that wall. We're using that wall. And my production designer, Mark... Janowitz, it was like he got it right away and he started talking to me, I don't know if I told you guys this, but he started talking to me about, I think it's called Kintsugi. It's a Japanese art. They take old ceramics Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How are you? What's going on? You know what? What is going on? I have been immersed. I have been immersed for what seems to be a year and a half. I have been immersed in heading towards this special taping.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Did you get all the way to, was I ever good at this?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
That's a relaxing one. The beta blockers, it's hard to feel what they even do. I was prescribed them once because I was in a very kind of high drama, codependent relationship. And I didn't want to get angry. Okay. So, someone gave me beta-blackers. I don't know if it did, but knowing I was taking them sort of helped. Because she would do things to just make me mad, to get the drama going.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And I'm like, and I'm going to Al-Anon and shit. And I'm like, I gotta detach, dude. You just gotta fucking, you know, this is not your problem.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And then like, you know, I needed the beta-blackers to, you know, enforce my Al-Anon.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Well, it took getting out of the relationship.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Yeah, but yeah, the stuff... Well, that was another reason the show is so good, is because there are very strangely real moments that are very... Not base, but the vulnerability of just bodily functions and that kind of stuff. There's something about the scene where your sister's on the toilet and it burns when she pees, that...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I don't know who wrote that line, but that line of sort of like, well, sometimes it burns. It burns a little bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber es ist so, es ist eine seltsame Sache, als sexuell aktiv Person, dass du diesen Moment durchgegangen hast, wo du denkst, oh, ich weiß nicht, vielleicht ist es okay, ich warte ein paar Tage. Und am Ende ist es okay. Aber für mich war es so ein wirklicher Moment. Und dann, wenn du siehst, ist es einfach zu lustig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ich glaube, es passiert. War es mehr zu der Geschichte in der Show, dass deine Schwester Kanzer hatte?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Were you able to, like in doing the show, were you able to process it differently? Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Well, I mean, there's definitely that thought that, you know, you did get through it and it did bring it back to the surface in a way that was contained in some way. You had to show up to do the work. Yeah. But those emotions were able to work within what you were doing. Yeah. And so on some level to be able to sit with grief in a way that's supported is a big deal. It's a huge deal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So he had this whole concept and I didn't know necessarily how it fit into the special, but it certainly felt it fit into the vibe of the room. So he kind of based his vision.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I don't know. It's great. It's like, you know, because I talked about that in my last special that because it's uncontrollable when you get into the zone of it. But there were two things that kind of were in my mind, which was like, this isn't unusual. It happens to everybody. This is part of life. But there is a sense that, you know, you can't You want to keep it to yourself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But it's uncontrollable. So you have that moment where you realize, well, people are built to deal with this. This is part of the human experience. And once you cross that threshold to have those feelings in a public way, it's a big relief.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
for the production design around this Kintsugi and he created lights and little, what are they called, Gobos maybe, where the Kintsugi patterns were sort of around and the carpet on the stage, we put a stage in and the lighting was warm and it really made the Bam Harvey shine. What a beautiful theater. But with the lights and everything, it was just stunning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Or why... Because it's a vulnerability you can't control. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Ja. Ja. And you see, it's okay. It's like a fucking gift.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Du kannst immer noch von deiner Mutter gesehen werden. Ja. Und, weißt du, es ist emotional.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Als ich die Szene mit Sharon Stone gemacht habe, war Lynn, meine Freundin, und sie war Direktorin, und sie war immer sehr unterstützend für mein Aktivismus. Sie sagte immer, du musst es machen. Und um zu einer Stelle zu kommen, wo ich die Emotionen für die Szene benötige, ich wusste, dass ich mich dazu befinden wollte, aber ich wusste nicht, wie. Man kann nicht einfach in jemanden passen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber ich war in der Lage, wie viel sie in mich glaubte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And that's always there for you. Yeah. Like whatever that dynamic with your mother, you know, the way she looked at you, you can get there pretty easily, right? Yeah. And that's what it is. That's what living with it is. Yeah. And integrating it into your being and the gift that it was, but it still is. You know, there's no other way to put it into perspective.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I know. But that pain, even when I just felt it, it's pain, but it's also like it's honoring them. It reconnects you with them. It's not the pain of loss. It's the pain of missing. Yeah. And that's different. They're already gone. But it's okay to miss people. Do you know what I mean? I don't think it's like a trauma of re-triggering the moment they go away or they die.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But it's sort of like reconnecting with the feelings that were good. But it's a missing thing. And I think that's okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It was almost like, why ruin it with my comedy? And so I got there on Friday. We're taping on Saturday. And, you know, I watched them, you know, put a lot of the stuff up and start to get the vibe. And then I went back over there on Saturday to do sound checks and feel the room and, you know, be present in it. And it was just fucking beautiful. The whole thing was fucking beautiful.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Es ist so überraschend. Aber wenn es so viel ist, wie, weißt du, meine Eltern sind noch dran. Ja. Weißt du, ich musste ein paar Katzen runterlegen, die ich sehr liebte. Ja. Weißt du, und Lynn ist weg. Weißt du, und ich... It's just fucking life, though, you know, and it's like you don't have to live in those spaces.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And usually, you know, when they come up and I'm closing my show with this now about this, about when it comes, it's triggered by something. ist, dass das, worauf ich mich fokussiere, ist, dass du es so viel wie möglich machen lässt, und es ist fast wie ein Check-in, Mann. Es ist nicht, weißt du, was ich meine? Es muss nicht so sein, wie, warum, weil du durch das bist. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber es ist wie ein Check-in. Und ich denke, wenn du es um die Verbindung mit deinen Gefühlen für diese Person beobachtest, dann wird es etwas anderes. Aber das Problem ist, dass auch das kleine Stück, das für mich kam, wenn es aufhört, es dich immer noch anzupassen. Es ist wie, lass uns rein. I can't. I have things to do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
It was great talking to you. You feel alright?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Es war eine tolle Sache von emotionalem Spaß, mit dir zu sprechen. Ja, danke, dass du mich kennengelernt hast. Oh mein Gott, richtig? Es kam zu einem schönen Ort. Es wurde ziemlich schwer. Jemand hat irgendwo auf Max gestreamt. Hören Sie sich mal an, Leute. Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
The set and the production design just melded perfectly with the sort of Theater, with the vibe of the theater, with the spirit of the structure. And it was like, I was like, this is almost too good for me that we're going beyond what anyone is even going to read into a comedy show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Okay, as I mentioned, I just did my HBO special taping at the BAM Harvey Theater in Brooklyn. And ten years ago this month, I was at the BAM Opera House to record a live episode with Fresh Air's Terry Gross. So you knew how to have fun?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Right. But do you know how to have fun? Yeah, maybe. What do you do for fun?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
In a minute. In a minute. I know how that goes. I'm trying to hold the line, Terry. These are professional boundaries. I'm the questioner.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So, wie geht es dir mit Joy? Ich frage dich, weil das ist alles, was ich kenne. Ich bin ein Interviewler geworden, weil ich nichts mit Interviewen zu tun hatte. Ich bin da hochgekommen. Und ich weiß, warum ich es mache und wie ich hier hochgekommen bin. Also, persönlich, ich kämpfe mit, ich weiß nicht, ob du dich so fühlst, du nennst es, du sagst, du arbeitest immer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But you talk to people professionally and you elicit things from them and you draw people out. The reason you said before is to make lives better by kind of letting people tell who they are. But do you get something out of that emotionally? Because I find in my life that I'm capable of an almost deeper intimacy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
So, I've been working this set for a long time and there's something that happens when you do a special where it's almost a, it's a hyper, it's heightened. It's not a regular show. You know, I'm in a room, Steve Feinartz, my director, had put together like nine cameras. I've got the audience of about 700 some odd people. Und es ist einfach hochgeheizt, weil jeder weiß, warum wir da sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
That's one of our greatest episodes and you can listen to it for free on whatever podcast platform you're using. It's episode 604 with Terry Gross. To get every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Just go to the link in the episode description and go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by Acast. This guitar, I tried to lay down a track.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Und ich habe dieses Set so viel gedreht. Und du kommst da raus. Und das Schlimme an diesen Spezials ist, dass es fast eine Aus-Body-Erfahrung ist. Weil du so viele Dinge denkst. Ich wollte nur die Sequenz, das Material, um zu arbeiten. Und ich habe zwei Shows gemacht. Und ich wollte, dass es richtig zeitgemäß ist, damit wir nicht zu viel schneiden mussten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Und ich habe 70 Minuten gegeben und ich habe an diesem Ding gearbeitet. Und egal, was es ist, ein Testament für wen ich bin oder wie ich arbeite. Und ich hatte eine Stunde und eine halbe Stunde und 45 Minuten Material, bis ein paar Wochen zuvor. Und wir haben den ersten, ich habe ein bisschen Rockmusik mit einigen Banden komponiert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
die ich mit meiner Hilfe von meinem Freund Paige Stark zusammengebracht habe. Und wir haben diesen Rock-Riff gelegt, um das Ding zu öffnen. Ich habe das auch mit dem letzten Special gemacht. Und dann eine längere Version am Ende. Also haben wir die Musik, Kathy Ladman, geöffnet. Wir haben die Musik gegangen, die Lichter gegangen, jeder war bereit. Ich bin da rausgegangen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Und plötzlich ist es so, als wäre ich einfach in diesem Modus eingeladen. Es gibt nichts, was sich umsonst fühlt, aber es ist nicht unangenehm. Es gibt eine Intensität zum Fokus davon. And I nailed it pretty good, the first show. But of course, I wasn't happy. I stumbled on this word. I didn't do this thing right. This was that. But the bottom line is, I came in at 70 minutes on the fucking dot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And that's crazy. There's so much stuff in this special. I couldn't believe it. I amazed myself. I've got this inner clock. But the show went good and the audience was great. But second show, you know, I had my buddy Sam Lipsight in the dressing room. I had Brendan in the dressing room, Brendan McDonald. This woman, Katie, did a great job with hair and makeup. But, you know, I got notes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I've got no more dates to announce. I've got nothing. I've got nothing but this and you and some promotions to do. You know, for a lot of things. I've got things happening, but I mean, what am I going to do comedically? I just did it. I did it and it went well. You know, I could be a little self-conscious and a little diminishing and a little dismissive of myself, but I think it went very well.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I got notes from Brendan. I got notes from Sam. I got notes from Steve, my director. And I made some trims. And the second show was kind of on fire. I kind of fucked up the sequence and I kind of dropped a joke out. And, you know, but, you know, it's a taping. But the sad thing is, is when I realized it and then I tried to do it again and I fucked it up again.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
You know, I had to stop, not stop the show. The cameras are still running, but I had to tell the audience like, all right, so we're going to go back and do that. You know, I kind of fucked this up. And then all of a sudden it's not like the fourth wall is broken. But then, you know, something more relaxed happens and it might have helped. für den Rest des Sets auf dem zweiten Show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Der zweite Show ist wahrscheinlich der, den wir am meisten benutzen werden, weil es war wie ein bisschen auf Feuer. Aber ich denke, dass es viel damit zu tun hatte, dass ich mich ein bisschen zerbrochen habe. Ich bin aus der Routine zerbrochen, was ich in meinen Live-Shows immer tue, weil es alles flüssig ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Aber wenn du einen dieser Spezials machst, willst du all deine Teile schießen und du willst nicht zu viel rumschreien. Also kam das natürliche rumschreien, weil ich es kaputt gemacht habe. You know, something was lifted and then I relocked in with a different energy. I got to remember if I ever do a special again or if I'm ever allowed to do one again or offered the opportunity to.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
I'm not the kind of guy that's going to put one up on YouTube. But I got to remember that. And I kind of do remember that. But there's a looseness that gets lost sometimes. But it sort of came back because of this little fuck up I did. And it made me kind of go, all right. But I hit all the material I wanted to hit. Some of it's pretty challenging and some of it's pretty interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And I just wanted to make sure that between the two shows we could have stuff to work with. And I think we do. I think it went great. I want to thank all the people that came out to the BAM Harvey and saw the shows. I really appreciate it. After the second show, we had to redo the opening a bit. And then I ended up doing just a half hour, a little bit of material I didn't do, a little bit of Q&A.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And then all of a sudden you realize, hey, buddy, you got union guys working. We're running out of time. And that's that's the weird come down. So I finished the show. I'm packing up my stuff. We got to get out of the theater. And I was maybe downstairs getting my shit together for a half hour, 40 minutes. My brother came with his partner and some of his stepkids.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And, you know, there was people there. Aber, weißt du, als ich durch den Top of the Room rausgegangen bin, haben sie bereits die Bühne unterbrochen. Und dann kommt diese verdammte Schmerz über dich. Weißt du, das war es. Ich hoffe, wir haben es geschafft. Weißt du, ich habe das Ding ein Jahr und ein halbes oder mehr gearbeitet. Und das war es. Das war, worauf ich gearbeitet habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
Und jetzt ist der Ruck für die Bühne schon weg. Die Lichter sind bereits runter. Everything's going away. There's a crew of people tearing it down. And then I'm just kind of like, did I do it? Was it good? And then I get back to the hotel and it's just this horrendous, horrendous empty sadness that happens when you finish something like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And all your whole life just comes screaming back at you. It's almost like you land back in your life with all the things that were causing you anxiety or problems or all the things you were kind of pushing aside or I'm talking about me, you know, leading up to this thing, at least the last week, just to keep the focus. And there's a sadness to it. I feel good about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
But, you know, just now I've got to retire this set. But again, great experience, great theater, great crew, great audiences. I appreciate all of you. You hear me? Do you hear me? Das Podcast wird von Squarespace untertitelt. Mit Squarespace kannst du alles zeigen, was du willst, mit einem customisierbaren Website, designt, um Klienten oder Fans zu erzeugen und dein Geschäft zu wachsen.
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1642 - Bridget Everett
And I don't think either of us were anticipating it. This is with Bridget Everett, who I mentioned earlier. All three seasons of Somebody Somewhere are streaming on Max. You can go to BridgetEverett.net to see where she'll be touring this summer. And this is me and Bridget meeting for the first time and talking.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I don't know what you're thinking, but it's not going to be good. It's going to be worse than last time. It's going to be much more organized. And we are going to be living in a entirely different system of government and cultural dominance. And that that is what it is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
You don't live here though, right? No, I live in New York. Oh, how's it going there now? It's back, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Really? Yeah. Like just people are like, we're doing it!
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
They're seeing the sights. You've gotten used to it. I guess. They're going to the museum. They're going to go in the Empire State Building. They're going to eat some deli food. I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
But culturally, do you feel like, it's not the same as it used to be. You've been there forever. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I just talked to Pacino, you know, for like an hour and a half. And I had no idea that like when he was a kid, you know, like 18 or 19, he was hanging out at the, what was that, at Julian Beck's Theater. What was that called? The Living Theater? Yes. Yeah. Him and Martin Sheen were like kids and they were cleaning the toilets. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
He would never have thought that that would be the background of that guy. Yeah. Were you like involved in that kind of stuff?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And the bathroom situation wasn't great. Never. You had like a makeshift shower and a kitchen that wasn't even a real kitchen. Did you live in one of those?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So that was before, like it was before like punk rock and stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And it was before New York economically totally tanked.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So personal perseverance and mental hygiene and caring for yourself and others, protecting yourself and others is going to be probably the way it's going to be. I mean, I can only address this generally speaking from my point of view. And, you know, I'll go on sharing my life and my thoughts and having these conversations that we have on this show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah, yeah. So when you were down there, was it like, like down in that area, you still had a few cobblestone streets. You had, but there was, so the Bowery was still the Bowery.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah, because here's why I want to know it. It's because I don't think people remember how amazing it was to be an artist without Annette in a way. Yeah. And I think that there, and I notice it with some people, but some people don't have the history. But even when I talked to Al, because I had read his book, and he doesn't talk, he's not out talking that much. So with this book, he was out. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And I didn't even know if he could talk, but he loves to talk. But when I read the book, it was one of these things where we all have our relationship with public people, like you as an actress. People know Jessica Lange. But then all of a sudden you read something, you hear something, you're like, I didn't know that. That's part of this process. And it also has a context historically. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So it's like sharing these stories, not unlike, you know, doing a play in some ways, a personal truth about it. It just, it kind of, it sheds light on what it used to be like.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So you're a kid. I'm 18. And it's 1968? Yeah. So everything's breaking open. Yeah. And you can feel it. It's thrilling. Like on campus and everything else?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Okay, so you're like, well, fuck it, let's do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Have you ever been out of the country before? Always Minnesota?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Finns. Ja. Hast du Großeltern, die eigentlich erste Generation waren?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Das sind die Leute, die sie mit dem Land da oben oder etwas dazu gebracht haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So they gave them a good deal to go into the hole? I don't think it was a good deal. So you're growing up with people speaking Finnish? Yeah. And eating Finnish food?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
with creative people talking about expression and life stuff and transcending difficulty through creativity and art and comedy. You know, that will continue and I think it's going to be essential. zu helfen, die Menschen ihre Sanität zu behalten. Also, bevor ich in all das hineingehe, lasse ich mich ein bisschen Business machen. Jessica Lange ist heute hier. Ich habe mit ihr gesprochen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Right. Yeah. So you're in Spain and you're like living it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
It's funny, you have that history of Paris and then like, you know, I imagine over the years you've been there many times and you're just like, you know, having a nice food in a nice place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah, even not speaking French. Even not speaking French.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Was war Amsterdam so voller Weiden und Hippies?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Es war nicht traumatisierend. Du hast es nicht verhindert, weil du... Nein, nein, nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I went there not too long ago. It's become very like these places, they get on to what their tourism is. So it's okay. It still kind of has a certain amount of charm, but it's a lot of tourist weed stuff and very, I don't know. It's okay. Out of all those places I went when I was touring, I didn't love it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I was going to move there. I was going to get an apartment. And then I had this realization the last time I went. I was on day two of a five-day run and I got angry about something. Like somebody wouldn't give me a cup at a coffee shop for something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Und ich habe mir gedacht, wenn ich hier bewege, werde ich einer dieser wütenden alten Männer sein, mit einem Strandbuch-Bag und zwei Plastik-Baggen, die auf der Straße schreien, nichts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Zu viele Leute. Also, wo beginnt es in Bezug auf, wo beginnst du, dich zu machen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Du sprichst dich physisch? Ja, das wäre eine gute Art, es zu sagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Sie ist großartig. Wir haben das vor der Wahl gedreht. Sie hat, weißt du, wirklich nur so viel wie alle Top-Preise, die man für Aktivität bekommen kann. in den USA, zwei Oscars, drei Emmys, fünf Golden Globes und einen Tony. Sie war letztens in einem HBO-Film, über den wir gesprochen haben, der wirklich ziemlich erstaunlich war. Ich meine, sie ist ein erstaunlicher Schauspieler.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Who's the big mime guy, the French guy that's really famous?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And what was the foundation of that technique?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. Is it kind of like clowning? No. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Also, die Idee, also, wenn du anfängst, also, du bist mit diesem Gruppen eingeladen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Also, das ist interessant. Das ist eine Art informierende Wahl.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Okay. Okay. Wow, you were serious about the mind. Oh, yeah. In your mind at that time, where did you think mime would take you? Nowhere. At some point you're like, there's no future in this mime racket.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So when did you get discovered? Because you were modeling, right? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Diese Art von kreativer Angelegenheit für die Wahrheit auf der Angelegenheit eines legitierten Künstlers ist etwas Erstaunliches zu sehen. Der HBO-Film, ich denke, ja, es heißt The Great Lillian Hall. We'll talk about that in her life. I'll be touring in January. I'll be in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Oh, ja, ja, ich weiß, wo das ist. War das der, wo... Christopher Street. War das der, wo Dylan Thomas hangt oder so? Das war der weiße Hecht. Oh, der weiße Hecht. Okay, ein anderes Tier. Ja, ja. Also die Lions.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Also bist du nach New York zurückgegangen, um wieder in die Kunstszene zu kommen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Right. So, okay, so you're at the Lion's Head. And which acting class do you do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So after the mime thing, you knew you wanted to act, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And what are your parents thinking back in Minnesota?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I get nauseous immediately. So when does it start to kind of gel that you can do the acting thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Someone reported it? Yeah, somebody heard it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I'll be in Napa, California at the Uptown Theater on January 11th. I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado at the Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th. Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 18th. Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. San Luis Obispo on So, look.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Sure. And were you somebody who... Oh, interessant. Oh, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Wow. Also sind es vier von Ihnen im Haus. Und Sie sind nur in Ihrem Raum, um Dinge zu überlegen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Aber der Haushalt war gut? Sie waren nicht im Chaos?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I find that's when the imagination comes in handy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah, I don't know, like sometimes, you know, wherever the creativity comes from, if it's raw and real, it's generally not a great place.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Oh my God, because like this morning, I'm trying to make decisions for myself around, you know, acting and comedy and just life. And somehow or another yesterday, I'm like, I'm just going to try to do things I don't dread.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Aber ich finde, dass auch Dinge, die ich tun möchte, eine gewisse Anzahl an Schmerzen enthalten. Aber was kannst du tun? Ich weiß es. Ja. Also, wann fängst du an, bemerkt zu werden?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
About casting for the new King Kong. I don't have any sense of Dino De Laurentiis other than John Belushi's impression of him. I've never seen it. That's great. My Kong will be the best Kong.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah? Yeah. And that was, like, I remember that movie. Yeah. I remember you in that hand. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
It's a snapshot. But a lot of actresses are up for this part, I think. I read that. It was sort of a big part.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
The process, right. And they offered you the role.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I don't know how to speak in the way of like, you know, fight the good fight or do this or do that. It all seems to have been an illusion, what we believed in and what we thought possible, even with all the faults and nefariousness of any political system or party. So I'm not going to sit here for the next however long. und sagen, wir müssen den guten Kampf kämpfen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Was the movie a success? Yeah. Yeah. And it brought you attention. But I guess from the bit I read, that despite the trappings of that particular movie and whatever anybody thought acting was, Pauline Kael championed you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. And throughout your career, it seems that she was a big supporter. Yes. And that meant something then.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Okay. Yeah. And is that when you met Fosse? Yeah. Yeah?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Hast du Rockwell gespielt, in diesem Film? Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
You didn't want to hold your memory to yourself?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Right, right. Why dig them up? Just look at what they did. But I think with somebody like him, because so much of it was Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once you start to realize, like, this is based on a real guy and the real guy is directing this movie. Yeah, about himself. About himself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
It was like, this guy, like, because I remember, like, just because I remember, I don't remember what time, when did it come out? 79, so I'm still in high school. Yeah. And I'm kind of a creative kid. And I just watch those scenes of him, you know, in the shower with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. Yeah. Yeah. It's showtime. Yeah. Did he do that? You know, I mean, I knew Fosse pretty well.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Underrated actor. Yeah. So good. Yeah. He's always so good. Yeah. And you were this, like, the most beautiful death apparition. Ich liebe es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Oh, my God. Across the board. Yeah, yeah, it was good. And what you could glean from his personal life was also, who was that woman who played the girlfriend, the tall woman? She was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Oh, yeah, at the time? Yeah. Now, did you ever do any more serious dancing after spending time with that guy? No. No more dancing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
But then you just sort of go. That's when you start working, right? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Es scheint, dass dieser Kampf verloren ist. Ich meine, wir können unseren Teil tun, uns helfen, andere Leute helfen, alles tun, was man kann. Ich meine, ich glaube, das ist der gute Kampf, aber politisch ist es vollkommen vorbei. Und, weißt du, das bedeutet nicht, dass man nicht wie ein guter, dezenter Mensch in der Arbeit von anderen Leuten und sich selbst
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ich liebe es, diese Geschichten zu hören. Das ist eine andere Grund, warum ich so viel über die Geschichte spreche. Es gab Zeiten, in denen Direktoren Stände gegen Studios gemacht haben. Für ihre Vision. Das war nicht von der Wirtschaft. Es war von der Kreativität. Und sie hielten die Linie. Und sie machten es. Coppola war so. Und wenn ich mit Pacino sprach, er liebte nicht, wie die Szene ging.
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Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Er würde einfach sagen, ich mache es nicht mehr. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah, I don't know. Some indies are kind of interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ja, ich mache gerade einen Film. Ich habe den HBO-Film gesehen. Oh, den großen Lillian Hall. Ja, ich habe den gesehen. Ich spiele einen Mann, der einen Schauspieler spielt. Und ich habe keine Selbstvertrauen, wie du. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich so ein guter Schauspieler bin. Ich muss einen Mann spielen, der einen guten Schauspieler spielt. Das ist sehr erstaunlich für mich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
All das, worüber ich mich kümmere, ist, dass es eine Comedy ist. Es ist eine dunkle Comedy. Ich denke, die Prämisse davon ist ziemlich lustig. Was ist die Prämisse? Or can't you talk about it? I can talk about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
It's about a guy, you know, who was, he started as a serious actor, you know, back in the day, you know, did Shakespeare and everything, was discovered in his early 20s, got a movie career, did a few movies with this movie star, who he ends up marrying, takes her from another guy. And their fourth movie bombs and she leaves him. And this is all backstory.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And then he kind of, like, he's still in the game a bit. But he ends up taking a sitcom. Wow. This is a comedy. Okay. Oh, okay. So he's not going to do chemo. And he doesn't know if he can get in because his film works so far behind him. And everyone knows him as this ridiculous TV actor. So now he's got to figure out an angle to get in while he's dying. So, that's the comedy. Yeah, I get it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And it's been very interesting and it's a very challenging thing for me. And I figure like, well, if I'm going to do this, I better figure it out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
But watching that film that you just did, I mean, those are the layers of it. You're an actor playing a great, well, you are a great actress. But the two different worlds of the artist and the work is kind of, it's an interesting place to do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Now, here's another question. Kathy Bates and you are great together, and she's great. And as I recall, I think both of you at some point were going to quit, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, you did all that American Horror Story, too.
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Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
in a world that is going to be hostile to that. It's just tricky for me. You know, it's some sort of turning point. I have to figure out how to make it funny. I have to figure out how to sort of, you know, be there for my audience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, what is the aversion? Because I know other actors like that, too. A lot of people I work with, like I worked with Owen Wilson on the thing, and it's like they don't watch anything. So is it that satisfying to do the job that you don't want to see how it's put together or the work you did?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Aber wenn man sich daran erinnert, es ist nicht so, dass du viele Filme gemacht hast. Du hast ein paar Oscars gewonnen. Es ist schwer für mich zu wissen, welche von diesen Filmen du bezeichnest, zu denen du gedacht hättest, dass du etwas tun könntest. Und es war nicht auf der Seite. Aber ich würde mir vorstellen, dass einige von diesen Filmen eine ziemlich gute Erfahrung waren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ich weiß nicht, wie Rafflesen war. Oh, es war großartig. With Postman and Jack Nick. What a great remake.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. And was it because of All That Jazz? I know Rafelson is friends with Nicholson at the time. So how did they come and find you? I don't know, but they did. Was that pretty exciting?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Do you think that when you took Francis, that that was the first, like, you know, profoundly challenging experience?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And look, if you're here to troll or, you know, if you don't agree with me politically and now you're out or you don't agree with me politically, but you still like the way I talk to people, I don't give a fuck. Be here if you want. Be here for the wrong reasons. But, you know, I'm going to speak to the people that are here and have always been here. And look, you guys know me by now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. And that's heavy business. Mm-hmm. Ich meine, du hast einige Filme gemacht, die ein ziemlich schweres Geschäft sind. Ja, ich mag sie. Ich mag sie. Es gibt dir etwas zu tun. Richtig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, just even the idea, I imagine when you read that, that this was a practical form of treatment for people with a certain psychological disposition that you would just lobotomize them. Yeah. I mean, when you really think about it, it's crazy. I mean, like shock therapy is one thing. Somehow or another, they're doing that again, but not in as painful a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
There's no coming back from that. And they treated, I don't know if it was predominantly women, Probably. Right. The hysterical or whatever. Right. So just the idea of that part of history in terms of time travel, that must have been like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Right. This is how you stop the woman from feeling.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. And once you got to those places, like in terms of being an actor, where you're like, well, there's a resource that I can draw from now forever until it exhausts me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, you've got to be willing. That was an interesting thing. Weil du genug Arbeit gemacht hast, und dein Geist war ein gewisser Art. Aber die Verletzung von Schmerzen ist immer noch eine Verletzung.
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Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ja. Und du musst dich da rauswerfen, in einem sehr rau und zerstörernden Weg. Ja. Und du musst nur willig sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ja. Fühlst du dich, als ob du vielleicht, oder bist du es immer noch, ich denke, du hast die meisten von ihnen rausgebracht. Ich meine, wie viele Dämonen musstest du ausüben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And so, when you get, like, okay, so after you do Blanche DuBois once.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I'll try to move through this and talk about something specific that kind of has been sitting with me. I'm an insecure guy. I don't hide that. I'm a defensive guy. I can be reactive and cranky. But it all comes from a place of very painful sensitivity that for most of my life has been almost self-erasing. Und diese Sensitivität hat sich über die Jahre verändert.
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Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And then you're like, you want to do it again? Yeah. Do you think like, well, I think I can get something deeper or more?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Oh mein Gott. Drei Mal. Wann kommt das raus? Hatten Sie das nicht gedreht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So that in itself is fascinating. Because once you get into that zone, it's unpredictable.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
It's an amazing thing about chaos and darkness.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Right, so those are the guardrails in a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So that... Well, that's... Interesting, because it really has to do with the writing, ultimately. And those are trustable people, Tennessee Williams.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
You're not going to be like, no, no, no, about this line.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, I guess that's the journey, and I think I learned that more specifically with Pacino, that, you know, you talk to that guy, there's this idea that, like, he didn't get into it for money or celebrity, this becomes a pursuit of truth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Das ist wirklich großartig. Dann habe ich mit einem anderen Mann gesprochen. Ich habe immer Sachen von Aktionskunden besprochen. Robert Patrick, der in den Terminator-Filmen war. Er sagte mir, dass ich jede Szene als eine Ein-Akt-Szene betrachten muss. Das war sehr hilfreich. Jede Szene hat eine Arche. Wenn du sie unterbrechst oder Filme machst, ist es hilfreich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Aber im Endeffekt servicest du die Wahrheit der Szene, die Wahrheit der Geschichte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Und die Empathie hat sich auch über die Jahre gestärkt. Ich meine, als ich jünger war, war ich manchmal ein seltsamer, toxischer Scheiß von einer Person. Komisch gesagt, habe ich alle schlechten Lachen gemacht. Ich habe alle falschen Lachen gemacht. Ich habe die Empathie in jeder Weise gedrängt. Ich habe schockiert. Ich habe falsch geachtet. Ich habe das gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, yeah, there was a moment there, I think, where she was considered the female Brando. And then she, the goddess, which is like, it's pre those kind of movies. It's a little before, it's got to be, what was that, the 50s? Yeah. That's an insane performance. Yeah, it is. It's like breathtaking. Because you're watching, I think that was like a Chayefsky script or something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And you're watching it and like I'd never seen it before. I was on Criterion. This is like in the last couple of years. And I'm like, oh, this sounds like an interesting story. And within a half hour, I'm like, what the fuck is this? Who is this person? I know. How is this? Does not everybody know about it? I know it. And we all know about Shelley Winters. Yeah. But what about this woman? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. But I think she had a difficult life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Right. And I think that sometimes gets in the way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
So you must have been relieved to do Tootsie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ja, also du hast es geschafft. Es war fortgeschritten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
He's another one that doesn't get his due. Maybe I'm just deciding that as a director, but as an actor.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I love him. Anytime he's on screen, I'm like, that's the guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
It's great. Or in Michael Clayton. Even that weird movie he did with Ben Affleck, that Changing Lanes movie, he's great. He's always good at a guy who's got a compromised moral code. Obviously we can't go through every movie, but Blue Sky, I just watched that again. I'm actually about halfway through it. Right out of the gate, it's just...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And then Tommy Lee Jones, like, what a guy. I mean, just the guy, he's like, you know, just kind of, all right, this is what it is. Yeah. And I love her. Yeah. And we're going to do this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Er ist einer meiner Lieblingsaktoren, mit dem ich gearbeitet habe. Warum?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Als Comic war es immer wichtig für mich, mich so zu erklären, wie ich war in einem Zeitraum, Because that's how I felt or that's what I wanted to do and continue to grow. I've done hours and hours and hours of material arcing over many years. And I've landed at a place where I have been humbled by age and experience, grief, disappointment, just life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Across from, yeah, engage with. Yeah. Yeah, because he's like solid.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
In terms of, all his roles, a lot of them, there's not, there's not one where he doesn't know what he's doing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
You always get the sense that he's in control there. It's funny, I saw Wim Wenders talk, because I, like, I rewatched Paris, Texas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ja. Und was war es, als er Sachen workshoppte, hast du seine Sachen gemacht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Was that country? That was, well, acting together. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, it's interesting, like, in terms of really thinking about his, you know, the parts for women in Sam Shepard's oeuvre, he seemed to be pretty much obsessed with exercising whatever demon his father was in every play.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Es gibt immer einen dunklen Charakter mit einem Spektrum von Problemen, die aufstehen würden. Wie fühlst du dich als Schauspieler?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Totally. Totally. Like in The Right Stuff. And I think Kim Stanley's in that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, he must have been a pretty sweet presence in terms of navigating, getting her out of the trailer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And all that has enabled me as an older person to open my heart a bit and behave in a conscientious way. And to get back to whatever fear, whatever sensitivity I was experiencing at the core of myself, I believed was just a fractured self or partial self. It is filled out. And I'm okay. I think I'm an okay human being at this point. And for me, politics has always been cultural in a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah, yeah. The arc of an acting career is pretty crazy. But like her and Jenna Rollins are the ones that... Yeah. Did you ever work with her?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Because it seems like you're in that spectrum. Well, that's a great compliment. All of those.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I mean, you just get to these places. Yeah. And in this new one, you did it again. When was the last time you had to dig deep for that stuff?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Dementia and also just aging as an actor? Yeah. Because you've lived a life on stage and on screen. So I have to assume in this film, this was all fairly familiar territory for you outside of the reality of dementia.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Ich kann mit Vertrauen sagen, dass du das nicht hast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And also that the idea, I guess it's based on a real person, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Well, I mean, there is... There's something about aging in the theater, you know, that it's a... When you're considered a great stage actress, you get to a certain point where the loneliness seems inherent in it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
That, you know, you're kind of isolated and, you know, you've lived this public life and then your private life, I don't know that it gets small, but, you know, it always... If I think of characters like that, they always seem a little lonely.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Look, I'm not a dummy. I know that the system has been sold out and is mostly just a money laundering front for corporate interests and greed. I know that. Just the way it's always been. I've spoken to that in comedy over the years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And during that, and there's direction, so there is... Yeah, there are milestones, you know, there's kind of signposts. You just have to get there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I'm going to step in here and say you better do a comedy dance. But I mean, I thought it was so, I really enjoyed the movie. And I liked the fact that they cast Lily Rabe. I know, isn't that great?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. Incredible. She's so good. Yep, she's great.
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Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
But for me, if the middle management, the president and whoever was under him, was at least fostering some empathy and some sense of tolerance and some concept, whether it was deep or not, of embracing the cultural ideas of democracy, I was okay with it. Maybe that was short-sighted. Obviously it was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
He's so good. He's so good. And he was real present. Yeah. Like there were real moments between you where there was something, you know, some longing and some history and some, you know, sadness. Like that beat where he tells you to step away from the leg. Yeah. I mean, it's like really, you know, it's real stuff. Yeah. A real caring.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Like you don't know exactly how long they've been living together, but it seems like a long time. Yeah. Yeah. They've known each other a long time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And I haven't seen Bates really do the business in a long time. And she dug in. And it was pretty great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah, I thought it was great. So in the process, what was the hardest thing for you in doing that person? Well,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Right. Und du merkst am Ende, dass das es war. Ja. Und sie hat es gemacht. Sie hat es gemacht. Mit der Hilfe von Kathy Bates.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Sehr gut. Und in dem Moment, wo du direkt zu deiner Tochter sprichst, ist das in dem Spiel? Nein. Okay, also das war nur ein bisschen... Ja, sie nimmt das Sprache und bewegt es ein bisschen. Das war ein tolles Moment. Ich werde jetzt gezwungen. Ja. Ja, ich meine, mehr als ich sein sollte, mehr als ich wünschte, war ich. Immer? Oder ist es mehr jetzt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And when it comes down to like this idea of free speech, you know, which, you know, I sent out a missive a week or so ago that I stand by 100 percent. I have never said anything other than you can say whatever the fuck you want. We've always been able to say whatever the fuck we want. Now, look, sometimes there were consequences culturally that were damning.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And I guess that's where, because I always wonder, with certain types of performers, not necessarily you, but like, you know, that there comes a point where you don't want to stop because it gets you out of that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And you don't get, yeah. And you don't get exhausted. I heard a story about Brando sending Jack Nicholson some sort of letter after he saw The Crossing Guard saying, like, it was an amazing performance and that's why I can't do it anymore. I just, I don't have, it's exhausting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
If you're really doing it, it's exhausting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Yeah. With the mother play? The mother play.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And that felt good? Yeah, that felt good. Oh, good. Oh, good. But you still have a lot of people around you here and there, right? Yeah. Well, that's good. Well, it was an honor talking to you. It was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Knock on wood. Yeah. And I thought the film was great. And so where do you go now? Back to New York?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Thanks, Mark. There you go. The great Lillian Hall is streaming on Max and it's a good watch. It's a deep performance. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Sometimes there were consequences from business interests that align themselves with sensitivity and empathy with a perceived marginalized group. Any consequences for saying anything is seen by the right as censorship and an indicator of wokeness. Now, don't misunderstand me. Corporations aren't generally woke.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Hey People, if you're looking to dive into some old WTF episodes, you can check out Jessica Lange's King Kong Co-Star Jeff Bridges on Episode 853. That's available for free on whatever platform you're using to listen to this episode right now. You like playing these western type of dudes?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Und du hast das Ding gemacht, Bad Company war ein bisschen wie ein Western.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
That's Jeff Bridges on episode 853, which also features a separate interview with his brother, Beau Bridges. To get all episodes ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. Don't forget, you can also go to the episode description to submit an Ask Mark Anything question for a future Full Marin episode.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
They aren't acting out of the goodness of their corporate hearts, but instead to protect their bottom lines, which most have realized they don't have to do anymore. Because it's like recalling the Pinto.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Boomer lives. Monkey and Lafonda, Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
You know, when Netflix decided that they didn't give a shit about LGBT people in the face of any sort of grassroots outcry about comedic material, eventually they just said, you know, fuck it, you know, we can cut them loose.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
What are the parameters of this outcry about the freedom of speech, this platform that is so important to the new majority, to the point that they don't care how much blood they get on their hands, how many vulnerable lives they destroy, how much terror they put in the hearts of vulnerable Americans?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I mean, to them it seems like a small price to pay for this idea of freedom of speech, which in their actions is utterly conditional. I mean, what is woke? What is this enemy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
It seems to me, and I've thought about it, it seems to me that if you speak from a place of sensitivity, of empathy, from a place of vulnerability or on behalf of the vulnerable, if you speak from a place of fear, whether it be personal or for the world, if you speak from a place of anger at being targeted or suppressed, if you speak...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
in the service of defending a freedom to live the way you want to live in what is supposed to be a free country, if you speak from a place of concern for others less fortunate or unable to defend themselves. Those are the woke things. It seems that in the face of this new majority, the response to these expressions of speech is shut the fuck up. And that's a directive. Shut the fuck up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And that can logically be followed by, or I'll shut you up. And that's a threat. They are now the censors. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. You woke fuck. Shut up. It's not corporate censorship. It's ideological. And it has nothing to do with the Constitution. It is the censorship of terrorizing with speech and likely with acts of terror, but hopefully not. Who the fuck knows?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
But don't underestimate the power of shut the fuck up. And it's on us to stand up to that. So shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. That's the way it works. That's the way it's going to work. Hopefully it doesn't come down to blood in the streets, killing people as an example, imprisoning people as an example, to terrorize people into either towing the line or just shutting the fuck up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
And it's already happening. I mean, look, every day I'm like, I don't want to put myself out there. I don't want to go out there and, you know, do stand-up. You know, I have to muster up the strength to speak my mind in the way that I believe is right. Shut the fuck up. Keep your head down and shut the fuck up. Which is honestly pretty easy to do now that we all have these phones.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fucknits, what's happening? What is happening? The jig is up. Whatever you're thinking, whatever you're saying about who did what and why and why it happened or whatever it's done. And now that we sit here in this... Trauma infused reprieve between now and the inauguration.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
I mean, 90% of the people are already doing that. Shut the fuck up. Keep your head down. I am. I'm looking at a thing on TikTok. Should be a new slogan. New ad slogan for the iPhone. Keep your head down and shut the fuck up. The iPhone 20. Or whatever fucking number we're on. Look, so on another note. I don't have a beard and mustache anymore because I had a shave to look like I was dying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
But we wrapped the movie. We have one more bit to do in a few weeks. That's just a days of work. And we wrapped the movie. A full, like, you know, 20 days of just 12-hour, 13-hour day shooting. And, you know, I never went home once during that time and thought I didn't do everything I could. I never went home from a day of shooting thinking, like, I could have done it differently.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
You know, I kind of stepped up to this thing. And I'm not tooting my own horn. I'm just saying that, like, it couldn't have happened at any other time in my life. But I was ready for this. I was ready to take action. the chances and the risks that were, you know, implicit in the character and challenge myself and try to get to another place with
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
diese Person zu zeichnen, die eine komplexe Person war. Aber wir haben es geschafft. Und ich war ein guter Typ auf dem Set. Und ich war professionell. Und ich glaube, ich sollte es laut sagen, weil in Bezug auf einige der anderen Dinge, über die wir reden, fühle ich mich stolz auf mich selbst. Und das ist nicht ein normales Gefühl für mich. Oh Mann! Oh mein Gott! Ah!
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
The Trauma-Infused Reprieve of Not Knowing. Yeah. Alright. Welcome to the new world. So look, Jessica Lange and I had a conversation before the election and it was very exciting for me. I think she's one of the greats, without a doubt. Sie ist in diesem HBO-Film, The Great Lillian Hall, der auf Max streamt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1590 - Jessica Lange
Und ich weiß nicht, es war einfach einer von diesen Reden, wo ich stolz war, mit ihr zu reden. Und ich war begeistert, dass sie so bereit war, zu reden. Und ich werde es jetzt mit Ihnen teilen. Das ist ich, mit der großen Jessica Lange zu reden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
No, I do too. You've been in the political racket for a while in terms of covering it one way or the other. And once you're locked into the narrative and you kind of know the players and you've got a basic sense of how it works, which I only have a basic sense. I couldn't tell you... Ja, genau.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Die Beziehung zwischen den drei Branchen, die jetzt alle zerstört wird und wahrscheinlich niemals die gleiche wird. Ich weiß nicht, was das ist, aber ich kann eine Narrative folgen. Und die Wahrheit ist, dass die Dichte, in der ich es folge, es nicht wichtig ist, ob ich es als brechende Neuigkeiten sehe. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Mark, you missed it. Yeah, and it's not gonna change my life. No. Other than whatever I'm gonna do with my head, which is not good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And then that just fucks up your day and then your kid's like, you know, you put the phone down and he's like, why are you crying? Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Es ist relativ selbstverwaltend. Und dann, weißt du, die 100 zu 200, sogar zu 5.000 Antworten, die du bekommst, all you did was make them feel better or pissed off at you. But ultimately, in terms of traction or having an impact, the best you can do, I guess, is make people feel better for a second.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ja, könnt ihr das Ding für Geld sehen? Ja, ja, ja. Weil ich euch für Geld sehen muss.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, I've been having some, there was a big shift in my approach to, I think, performing during, you know, in whatever is happening now versus the first Trump administration. And in terms of, you know, what's required of me. Mm-hmm. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I think if you go back in the catalog, I don't remember... Which episode it was. It might be the Lucas Melandes episode. We were out in the world, wandering around San Antonio. I think we went to the Alamo. And then we ended up at some Conjuto music festival. That was one of the better times. But really early on, man, they used to have this club here called the River Center Comedy Club.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Because you have to assume that no one's out there doing the civil actions every day. They're on their phones or freaking out with their loved ones or freaking out on their phones with other people. And all of a sudden there's 500 to 1,000 of them in a room together. And I think that's the important part.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich denke, ich werde getätugt. Das ist der Link zu all den Dingen, die man machen kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I can understand all those things and those seem to be things that would help and make people feel like they were doing something. In terms of protests, they sort of have to be organized and there is leadership around and they seem to happen. But I guess my concern as time goes on here is that we're being terrorized. And in terms of speaking up or making a stand at work.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I mean, you know, and this is going to happen at all levels of liberal intention, that people are going to be afraid for whatever reason, whether it's physically or that they're going to lose their job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And I remember when it opened. I can't even put a year on it. It must be... Ich weiß nicht, aber als sie es geöffnet haben, war alles hochwertig, Mann. Es war wie, das ist ein heißer, neuer Club und wir haben dir einen heißen, neuen, modernen Kondos zu bleiben. Und es war einfach das Beste. Und dann, Jahre später, ging ich zurück und niemand kam mehr in den Club und der Kondo war Garbage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich bin zynisch darüber. Ich bin öffentlich zynisch über Boykotts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und auch, wenn du Target und Walmart boykottierst. So, what are your options? Amazon?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Yeah, you got to find some alternative shopping situation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And also when you go to stores that aren't those stores, it's hard to get what you want sometimes. It's a little more expensive. They're always telling you like, oh, just order it online.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I'll buy books. I bought that How Fascism Works book. And the joke I made about it was, I'm about halfway through, but I can just read the news now. Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Let's talk about this. I know that there was some press lately and I don't know what happened or what the follow through was. But you chose to honor your dates at the Kennedy Center? I had one date at the Kennedy Center on February 13th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
But it hadn't really set in yet. It wasn't a revolutionary act relative to things that had already unfolded.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ja, aber ich, wie du weißt, als ich über deine Meinung gelesen habe, scheint es mir zu sein, dass die Sache wäre, in diese Späte zu gehen und dein Ding zu machen. Und dann, wenn sie dich auf der Bühne ziehen, dann hast du einen Art von Akt, nicht sogar ziviler Unabhängigkeit, sondern Protest gegen die dominierende kulturelle Ideologie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Es war nicht mal der gleiche Kondo. Comedy-Kondos sind, jemand sollte ein Dokumentar über diese Erfahrung machen. Because once a condo has been around for a while and enough monsters and comics and weirdos have come through over the years, you might not want to sit on that leather couch. Certainly you don't want to open anything in the refrigerator.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Du weißt, was ich meine? Ich habe gefunden, dass ich da hochgegangen bin und gesagt habe, schau, du hast zumindest 15 Minuten gespart, sagst, schau, ich bin in dem gleichen Ort, wo du menschlich bist. Ich erlebe die gleiche Unmöglichkeit und Unmöglichkeit und Angst. Das ist meine Reaktion darauf, was generell lustig ist. Und, du weißt, ich habe ein paar Bits.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und dann, und dann der Schiff in meiner Präsentation als Comic ist geworden, wie jetzt werde ich untertäuscht. Yes. And I've never really been that guy. Oh, yeah. But like I've really kind of focused on like, we'll get this out of the way. We're all on the same page. And now like I've got some entertaining things to do. I never looked at myself as an entertainer. I know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I don't think that I necessarily changed my material. But I, you know, I tell, you know, a 20-minute story about evacuating with my cat. So that's pretty funny.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, yeah, they want to know that you're on board. But that sort of thing, I wonder about that too, man. Because after doing Air America and kind of plowing through the first Trump era, that when you're a public person who they assume has a voice, And I try to keep my politics pretty personal in the sense that I will speak up against fascism because we're living in it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And we've almost been in it many times. And now it's here. But I'm not going to sit there and deconstruct the fucking news. I'd rather put a gun in my mouth.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And what the fuck, when was the last time those blankets were cleaned? Yeah, and it's all your dirty peers that are coming into that joint. So that makes it even more disturbing. But... But I remember one time doing the River Center Comedy Club here in San Antonio and the place was huge. It was like the size of a Untertitelung des ZDF, 2020 Yeah. And I remember it was in the mall.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, no, I mean, you can do that, but like what newspaper? It's not even that. It's just that, you know, with somebody who has a microphone, that, you know, it's a different show and different set of chops to be into the news cycle every day. Yeah. And what are you then? Because I know you can get into a certain mania with that stuff to where you're not even humanizing it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich meine, wir haben keine Zeit, auch wenn du tourst, um zu sagen, hast du heute Jim Jordan gesehen? Nein. Unless something really funny happened with Jim Jordan. Maybe half the crowd side. That's the other thing. All these people that are, and I talk about this with my producer a lot, that are still sort of speaking about this as if it's a presidency. It's sort of like, when are you guys going to
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Yeah, you're sitting there going like, you know, you're gonna be like Bill Maher. It's like, well, I'm gonna agree with some of the things that Trump is doing. I'm not, it's like, dude, you're a bitch. Yeah. You know, Kid Rock, I like Kid Rock. Yeah, I like that one song. Yeah, and now you're gonna blow him? Yeah. With a slightly disdainful look on your face?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Aber es gibt dieses Spektrum von Komedianen. Komedianen, sicher, das oder das. Aber früher, ich denke, du hast zu dem Post, den ich gemacht habe, reagiert. Du weißt, wenn du ein nützlicher Idiot bist... Ja, ja. ...ist es so, dass du das haben musst. Ja, genau. And either you know you are and you're in it for the grift. Yeah. Or you don't. Yeah. Or you just believe that shit, which is fine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
But even believing that shit at this point, it's like, well, this is fundamentally anti-democratic. Yeah. And then I'm working on this bit about how like these bold freedom of speech warriors who have now finally got the right to speak power to truth. Yeah. What courageous freedom of speech warriors.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, I don't, yeah, it's very hard for me to understand it, you know, with, like, first of all, with sociopaths, I talked about this with Brendan, that, you know, I'm like, do they believe it or do they know it's a grift? And he said sociopaths believe what they're saying, you know, which is disturbing. I'd rather them be just, you know, pitchmen. Yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Or I'll say no politics enough to know what they're angling for, even if it's about money. But, you know, but some of these comics... the guys that, you know, are apparatchiks, there's only like three or four of them, but there is a bunch of people beneath them who use their juice for their audience. Now, for me, it's sort of like, I couldn't even imagine performing for that audience.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I could do it. I've done it before. I go out into the regular rooms, you know, but I assume that they all think, you know, I'm some sort of woke fuck, which I am, mostly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
No, I know that. But I don't necessarily, even if I feel like, fuck it, I'm going to see it as a challenge and I'm going to make these animals laugh. It's like, what's the victory there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Nein, ich weiß, aber ich meine, warum würdest du im Hintergrund stehen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Das ist, was ich früher mit Dynasty machte. Du willst die Stunde zusammenbringen. Und so habe ich einen 8-Sieger-Theater gemacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Yeah, well, I mean, that's why I do it, is it's like keeping shape. You know, like, I can go out and do my hour and a half or whatever with my people, but I want to go hammer it out with the general public. Yeah. Vielleicht. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
It's weird. I recall this from the first Trump administration when you're doing general crowds. Whether it's in your head or not, it takes another set of balls. um die Sachen durchzuspielen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Yeah, maybe they will. That's kind of racist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
It's like the trenches. Yeah, I mean, when I'm working on an hour, there's some markets I don't do theaters in. There's a couple markets that I shouldn't be now, but I'm doing it. But I'd go do all the clubs. And that kind of two shows Friday, two shows Saturday, show Thursday. You know, that second show Saturday, where I get kind of like... Yeah, you get loose and a little weird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
It was in the River Center Mall. And one time I saw that kid. It was the weirdest thing. I've never met the guy. And... I've always wanted to ask him. It was the guy from E.T., Henry Thomas. It was here in San Antonio. It was at the mall. It must have been in the mid-90s or the mid to late 90s. And he was just like crouched on the side in the mall watching people, observing. I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Yeah, I find that a lot of times you do the hour and you're, you know, outside of being older, you basically, you run in the same circles, you know, in terms of your thought. Yeah, yeah. You're kind of restating things you've said before with today's spin.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich meine, wer ist das Kennedy Center booken werden? Wie viele Mal haben sie Tim Allen und Kid Rock gebookt? Das ist die Frage. Und die Leute, die dort arbeiten. Oder interessiert er sich sogar, wenn es leer steht?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
The Christian acts, it's interesting, I guess people have been telling me there's these rock stations that fool you. You're like, what is this song? And all of a sudden it's a worship song.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ja, aber vielleicht bin ich, weißt du, ich bin auf der Ecke mit meinem Synergismus um Civil Disobedience and Protest. But like I'm having a hard time sort of fathoming how we can have an impact on this juggernaut other than, you know, state politics and, you know, working class people who are fed up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Okay, I get you. Because I thought you were talking about the old hippies that show up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, I think they just bought into the grievance buzz and assumed that he was talking shit. Or assumed that the shit he was talking didn't have an impact on them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, if they can figure out how to come after woke Social Security, they will.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I'd really like to get it verified. Because maybe I was just hallucinating. Because I'm the guy who thought he saw General Flynn in Glendale on my hike. So I wouldn't trust my eyes on this one. But I do think it's possible that the guy from E.T. was at the River Center Mall at some point in his life. Perhaps maybe it was just a character he played in E.T.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Sure. I mean, there's already people dying, you know, all around the world because of the denial of aid. I mean, how is it not going to happen here through Medicare, Social Security, you know, government funding, farm subsidies? I mean, people are going to fucking die.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I got a good joke on that. I think you'll like it. I put my hand up with the hell Hitler and I go, this is right wing virtue signaling.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
It's almost like the tenderloin spread, like a cancer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And that's where he went up and came back down and ended up there. I don't know. I don't know. Look... Heute habe ich mit W. Kamau Bell gesprochen. Er ist schon ein paar Mal auf dem Show gewesen. Er war schon von Anfang an auf dem Show. Das erste Mal, als er auf dem Show war, war in Episode 46. Und er wurde auch für die Dokumentation über mich interviewt, Are We Good?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und du hast eine spezielle Gegend ausgewählt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And what about just like in terms of your being, the fear level, in terms of going out on the road or any of that shit?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich werde nervös und gefreut wegen dessen, dass du, wenn du aus dem Publikum rauskommst, auf deinem eigenen Weg bist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und ich mache eine Live-Konversation mit ihm bei South by Southwest diese Woche. Er ist auch jetzt auf Tour und er ist ein kluger Typ. Und ich dachte, wir würden uns aufhalten. And also, also tour dates. Durham, North Carolina. I'll be at the Carolina Theater of Durham on Friday, March 21st. Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm at the Knight Theater on Saturday, March 22nd.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Es wäre viel einfacher. Was war der Rückzug darauf?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ja, ja, ja. Was ist mit dem Jungen, der den OJ-Doc gemacht hat? Oh ja, Ezra Dillman? Er ist gut. Ja, er ist großartig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und was machst du, wenn du auf Cosby zurückgehst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Was, du hast einen unserer eigenen für uns getroffen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich habe es nicht. Ich habe es nicht. Ich habe es nicht. Ich habe es nicht. Ich habe es nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Sie bekommen einen Mann, der aus seinem Geist kommt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And I'll be in Charleston, South Carolina at the Charleston Music Hall on Sunday, March 23rd. Then Skokie, Illinois. I'm coming to the North Shore Center for the Performing Arts on Friday, March 28th. Und Juliette, Illinois. Ich bin am Rialto Square Theater am Montag, März 29. Dann komme ich nach Michigan, Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire und New York City für mein Spezial-Taping.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Like, I'm not gonna debate you on the... That's another line I do on stage now. So, look, I know, you know, you're my audience, we're all broken, but we broke left.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
We're not douchebags, we're empathy whores.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
But also when it comes right down to a black or white, you realize that a lot of these guys are in it for the money, man. Mhm. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, like, I'm above this shit. Yeah. You know, sure, I'll play for these people. Yeah. I'll play to them. I'll play of them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Es ist interessant über die Grifte, weil ich glaube, dass sie es nicht verdienen. Nein. about people, about anything but their ability to stay in that zone of wealth and privilege.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Yeah, but it's also about exploiting the sort of fundamentally male frustration of a lot of young guys that have no game. And, you know, whatever they're aspiring to is mostly just, you know, fuck you. I'm gonna make you pay for this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I didn't have a lot of game, but with a certain part of the culture I had some game. I wouldn't say it was game-appliable to any situation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I asked somebody about an audience for Jordan Peterson. Oh yeah. And they said it was the weirdest audience they ever saw. They characterized it as being like nerdy guys with clearly escorts.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Geh zu WTFpod.com für alle meine Dates und Links zu Tickets. Mach es da. Geh nicht zu Skalpersites. Wiederum, suche nicht Mark Maron, Tourtickets, deine Stadt, weil du zu einigen Skalpersites gehst. Geh zu den Links auf WTFpod.com oder geh zu den Venueslinks. Bis zum nächsten Mal. Tschüss. I will tell you right now, and I mean it, Houston is my favorite city in Texas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Was sind die Prinzipien, die du beobachtest? Ist das das Wort?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Oh ja. Oh wow. Ja, ja. Also du hast eine ältere Familie von Leuten, die wissen, wer du da bist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, that's an interesting idea in terms of... You know, what is scary in terms of community? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine like, cause like, you know, panicky white liberals are, are different than, you know, dug in black communities in Alabama.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Right, but in some ways, not to be stereotyping, but that dynamic has been there forever. In one form or another.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And I'm not even sure that the people that they're dealing with, however you want to label them, are fundamentally any more racist than...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Yeah, you had to like, like there's a, yeah, you had to sort of know how to be around. So there's much more
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I can't exactly explain why, but there's something about the vibe in Houston that I like, the way the city is laid out in the surrounding areas of downtown. But also, at some point in time, someone with a lot of money put a lot of it into art and into making great museums, into a lot of public art. And it was just, every time I go there, I'm like, this is like... This is like a well-rounded city.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I'm like, sure. Not that Boston. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boy, those Affleck guys can really turn on the Boston.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
on a policy level, he could close the whole place down because it's too woke.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Oh yeah, just switch it to make it the white person's point of view.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
It's huge. I think it's one of the most diverse cities, certainly in Texas, but maybe in the country. You can get all kinds of great food there, Indian food, Asian food, Middle Eastern food. It's just a very densely populated and very diverse city. But the art, the art always gets me, man. And I always go back. Wenn ich da bin, zu der Rothko Chapel, was ein sehr besonderer Ort ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Well, I think it had a profound effect on our politics, too. For sure. I mean, come on. You know, like, you know, I mean, that's really where the sides were divided, I think.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I can't get it through my head. I just don't see any other way to spin it. Sure, okay, pharmaceutical companies make money. But the idea was, people were dying and this is what we got. And we're trying to maybe help people not die of this. Whether you would or not is not the issue.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und dann sagt jemand, ich zeige dir, was wirklich passiert ist. Und wer weiß, was dieser Kerl zeigen wird. Und normalerweise ist es nur das Internet. Und es geht nicht in eine gute Richtung.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
But there's no pushback because it's separate worlds. Yeah. You know, so like, you know, their big argument is like, I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
He's afraid to engage with somebody who will never believe what he has to say, even though it's based on empirical evidence. He's afraid of wasting his time for no good reason.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Es war etwas, was Mark Rothko machte. Ich weiß nicht, ich könnte, ich wünschte, ich hätte die Broschüre vor mir oder die Informationen, aber er wurde verabschiedet oder war in Anleitung mit diesem non-denominationalen, der Gruppe, der diese Kirche gebaut hat, dass er es gemacht hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I think for some blacks it's a little too real.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
They would like your... I've been doing a lot of red states, man. I went to Lexington, Kentucky. I went to Louisville, Kentucky. I went to Asheville. That's not... I went to Nashville. That was great. And the other places were great. I think the most southern I did was Lexington. Und, you know, it's again, even... You do Atlanta though, right? Yeah, I do. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast WTF, welcome to it. We're still going, we're still happening. So many years, so many episodes into this thing. I'm in a hotel room. I'm in a weird old kind of, it's not musty, but I would say it's complicated.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
But no places in Florida, no... I don't go to Florida. Okay. Fair enough. I just don't go. Okay. I don't know why. I mean, I don't go to Arkansas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I haven't been to Alabama in a while. You know, I don't tour. I'm not one of these guys that has to hit all the states. Yeah, you're not trying to hit all the markets. Yeah, and some people will travel to see me. And it's not because I'm afraid or anything else. I just don't want the stress of wondering why I'm not selling tickets in Mobile.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Sure, yeah, come up. Yeah, yeah. Or Florida.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich glaube das. Ich könnte auch kleinere Städte machen und das mag ich nicht. Aber egal in welcher Stadt du gehst, wenn es eine größere Stadt oder Stadt ist, da gibt es Leute, die dich lieben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Ich mache das manchmal auf der Bühne. Ich sage, ich bin kein Arena-Akt. Ich sage, ich denke, ich könnte eine Arena machen, wenn es zentral belegt wäre und ich Leute in die Bühne bringen kann. Ich sage, Busse aus Whole Foods Parkplätzen aus Marien und diesen Städten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Es gibt wahrscheinlich etwa zehn riesige Rothko-Bilder und sie sind riesige Panele, die dich grundsätzlich in dieser kleinen Kirche befinden, die fast ein Ort für Meditation ist. Und ich habe es vor Jahren gelesen und ich weiß, dass es ein Problem war, dass es früher war, weil die Qualität der Bindungen, die sie benutzt haben, begonnen hat, zu falten. Aber alle Bindungen haben sich restauriert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
There you go, Kamau Bell. Again, you can find his tour dates at wkamaubell.com and he'll be in San Diego at Mic Drop Comedy this weekend. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
For more of me and Kamau, he's been on five other WTF episodes, some live ones, a couple short ones, ones from very early on. But he also came on three years ago to talk about the documentary he made, We Need to Talk About Cosby, and go check that out too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I don't think that anybody in one sort of lump or one sort of context has heard any of those survivors go at length unless you were in the courtroom or wherever those things were. Or you were their lawyer. Yeah, a deposition of some kind. Yeah. Also, und ich dachte auch, dass die natürliche Sache, die natürliche Humanisierung, die passiert,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
when you can sit there and watch somebody talk or tell a story, and the nuances of those things, I found that to be, I don't even want to use the word damning, because this isn't a trial, but it was sort of like, there's no reason any of these women would make any of this shit up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
That's me and Kamau on episode 1308. You can listen to that for free on all podcast apps. To get every episode of WTF ad-free, go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Now let me dig up some guitar for you from the vault. Boomer lives. Monkey. La Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und die letzte Zeit, als ich da war, It was just mind-blowing for me because I'm a huge Rothko guy. Nobody got right up against the big empty like Rothko. And his abstractions for me are the... Sie sind der echte Portal in die echte Abstraktion, in die echte Art und Weise, wie eine Art von geistiger Erfahrung mit einer puren Schrift.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und die erste Zeit, als ich in die Rothko Chapel ging, war ich ein bisschen überrascht und ein bisschen überwältigt. Und diese Zeit ging ich zurück. Und es war wirklich eine andere Erfahrung. Ich habe Blair dort genommen, sie war noch nicht da. Und wir saßen mit den Farben für eine Weile, wahrscheinlich 20 Minuten, eine halbe Stunde. Und du könntest den ganzen Tag da drin verbringen, wirklich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Weil, als du da sitzt, scheint etwas mit deinem Gehirn in den Farben zu passieren. Zuerst gehst du rein und sie sind nicht ganz definiert in irgendeinem Sinne, weil sie alle sehr schwarz sind und einige von ihnen scheinbar nur eine Farbe aussehen. Aber es gibt einige geometrische Elemente in ein paar der Panels.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
But you have to sit there for a while until they kind of come into focus and start doing their magic of transporting you to a place, you know, just outside of regular consciousness and maybe pretty far outside regular consciousness or normal consciousness or your consciousness. depending on what you let your brain do with them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
But there was something about this time that I had not done last time. I know Rothko was a depressive. I know he's a heavy cat. You gotta be pretty heavy to have the confidence and skill set to do the type of painting he did. But I started to realize this time that I visited the chapel that these were very dark. And the place it takes you is not...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Es ist ein spiritueller Raum, und ich würde nicht sagen, dass du in die Abysse schaust, aber es ist nahe. Es gibt etwas über den Ton der Arbeit, wo es dich aus dir selbst bringt und in eine Art Transzendent-Zone. Aber ich habe angefangen zu realisieren, ich weiß nicht, ob das...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
spiritual light like I don't know if we're heading into the light I think he's creating a space at the edge of darkness and it's not a uplifting space it is maybe a meditative space but then I realized like he committed suicide and I was curious this time but these were some of the last paintings he did before he just
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Und ich bin so, ich weiß nicht, ob das ist, wenn du es so anschaust, wenn du es kontextuell, historisch, in Bezug auf Mark Rothko, ob das wirklich eine erhebliche Erfahrung ist. Ich denke, diese sind, diese Panels sind nicht unbedingt ein Schrei für Hilfe, aber sicherlich ein Hallo zur Dunkelheit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Also meine Erfahrung da, obwohl es spirituell war, würde ich nicht sagen, erheblich, wenn du weißt, was ich meine. Also in Houston, I reached out to Mo Ammer. Mo Ammer, who I had on recently, he's got the show Mo, Palestinian American Comic, lives in Houston. And what a great guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
It's a strangely complicated hotel here in San Antonio, Texas, right on the Riverwalk. I can open up my window, step out onto a balcony and see just parades of tourists just trudging along down the Riverwalk. And it's weird to be back in San Antonio. I don't feel like I've been here for a while. And I've got some memory. It's an odd thing when you've been doing comedy as long as I have.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Mo Ammer, there's something about people that were brought up in a close-knit community, close to their family, where they just have a certain, they put a premium on hospitality and also just being decent people. I mean, Mo showed up at my house with a bottle of, Palestinian Olive Oil, that is really the best Olive Oil I've ever had in my life. He brought a gift, which is so nice.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
And I've noticed this from certain ethnic groups that people are part of who have come on my show. Koreans, Egyptians, they bring gifts. And it's something that I'm not good at and it's something you should do. Like if you show up at someone's house, you know, if you're invited somewhere, you should bring a little something. I guess it's common knowledge. I don't always register it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
A lot of times I make excuses. For instance, I texted Mo in Houston and he's like, he had things to do, man. Him and his wife were going to go out and celebrate her birthday that night. I was only in town for one day. I just texted him to ask him for some food recs. An Indian restaurant, maybe a Middle Eastern restaurant. Mo just texted back, come over. Come over, we'll make some falafel.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
You'll hang out. You can meet my wife and my son. And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm going to do that. I'm coming over. And I went over there and I brought nothing. Because I didn't have any time. Aber ich fühle mich jetzt schlecht daran, weil seine Frau diese unglaublichen Falafel von Mose Moms Rezepte oder seiner Großmutter Rezepte gemacht hat. Bestes Falafel, das ich je hatte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Sie hatten einen wunderschönen Garten. Es gab Vegetablen aus dem Garten. Es gab, Sie wissen, sie haben ein bisschen Tahini-Sauce gebraten. Und es war, und wir haben nur gesessen und gesprochen und lachen, haben einige Comic-Szene erzählt. Er hat mich um den Garten, um das Haus gezeigt. I met his young son and his wife was just amazing. And they were going out in a couple of hours.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I just couldn't believe the hospitality of it. It was so warm and it definitely made me feel connected, not just to my community, but to a city and to comedy and to, you know, friends. I just can't speak highly enough about being human and treating other humans with respect and love and, you know, I don't know, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
I've been really kind of hung up on this lately and just getting out in the world with the people and talking to people and spending time with your friends in real time, having real conversations and eating good food and just focus on that. Stay in touch with your humanity, will you? All right, so Kamau Bell and ist, ähm, wie ich gesagt habe, er ist ein regelmässiger Gast auf diesem Show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Wenn es regelmässige Gäste gibt, ist er einer von ihnen. Und er touriert gerade. Er wird in San Diego sein, am Freitag, Samstag und Sonntag bei Mike Drop Comedy. Ihr könnt auf wkamaubell.com gehen für die restlichen Tour-Daten und Locations. Und ich werde mit ihm in South by Southwest sprechen, am Dienstag um 4 Uhr am Austin Convention Center. Und es war gut, mit Kamau zu treffen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik Musik I didn't want to be in the Gladiator Arena. I'm fine on the second stage. No, for sure.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
That every town you go to that you've been to more than once in your life doing comedy over the arc of your comedy career is somewhat of a trauma trigger. Because at different points in your life you have a different set of fears and panic and professionalism. And there's definitely some major trauma triggers here in San Antonio, Texas for me. There's a couple of good times.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1624 - W. Kamau Bell
No, you shouldn't. It takes too much time, and I don't know how to use time anyways. I mean, the weird thing that people don't realize about self-employment is that you never stop. And it's impossible. I mean, but you got a bunch of kids, so I mean, they demand attention. So I imagine it's a tough choice between the phone and the kid, but I usually go with the kid, I imagine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Aber als du erwachsen bist, gab es immer Tension? Wie, weißt du, wer mit dir Zeit verbringen kann und all das? Ja. Ja, schwer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
So that must be a nice arc of closure, even though you can't get back the anxiety you had when you were a kid, but at least now they're okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
No, I mean, no, I think there's something to that, depending on what you come from, what drives you to do that, you know, as opposed to just be a person who just does a job. Yeah. There's some sort of, you know, need for, I don't know what. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
I don't know, because I find that people always say as a comic that you're looking for love. And I don't know if that's true, because if I am, I still resist it. Ich erwähne ein bisschen Liebe und dann, sobald ich es fühle, drücke ich es zurück. Und dann kannst du dann immer noch mit der Komödie weitergehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
How did that go? Well, it took a minute, but I told her all my tools are for not crying. I don't have tools for crying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
But one thing I always knew, even seeing her for 15 seconds, is that she's one of these profoundly talented people where the gift is so great, you kind of think it might come from outer space. I'm not calling her an it, but the gift. Maybe she's from outer space. I don't know. I knew when I got the opportunity to talk to her that I would have to take it because she's a magic person.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Yeah, well, as I get older, I cry at everything. Oh, good. For, you know, dumb things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Yeah, what does that mean? You said that like I'm going to go like, oh, well, that makes sense.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Ja, aber das bedeutet auch Entschuldigung. Ja. Das bedeutet, dass alles Zerstörung ist. Ja. Minere Entscheidungen. Ja, ich weiß es nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
She's letting the world in right here in the garage.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
But that's interesting because for some reason I feel like when you just open your arms like that and let the world in, my first thought is like, it's going to crush me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Ja, aber du denkst, es wird dich öffnen. Ich weiß nicht. Manchmal... Ich weiß nicht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Du bist wie ein Sänger und das ist so... Weil ich habe gehört, ich habe gehört zu dem neuesten Rekord. Oh, danke. Es ist interessant, weil wenn ich über die Songs denke, die mich beeilen, denke ich nicht, dass es der Single wäre. Ich weiß nicht, was die Singles auf dem Rekord waren. Von Eternal Sunshine? Ja. Was waren die Singles?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Aber das Schwierige für mich ist, weil die Chords oder die Musik, die in Perfect for You ist, ist die eine, die ich dachte, oh, das hat mich geschlagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Und es hat das schöne, fast das Bild, das hochgeht und dann gibt es den einen kurzen Chord, der die Melodie verändert. Ja, danke. Ja, ich mag diese Song. Danke. Danke. Ich bin noch nicht aufgewachsen und habe zu jungen Männern gehört.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Und dann, wenn ich die Möglichkeit habe, mit dir zu sprechen, bin ich so, oh mein Gott, sie ist der größte Popstar der Welt. Und ich muss ein paar Songs kennenlernen. Nein, nein. Was für Musik magst du? Ich mag alle Musik. Mit neueren Sachen kommt so viel immer raus.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Und ich weiß nicht, wenn ich auf deine Diskografie schaue und ich schaue, mit wem du zusammengearbeitet bist, bin ich so, ich weiß nicht mal, mit wem sie singt. Ich meine, ich weiß nicht. I don't know any of these people. Are these people famous? But it's just old man shit, you know?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
But it's not dismissive. It's just I can't keep up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Das stimmt. Und es scheint so zu sein, dass du das schon sehr früh kapitalisiert hast. Oder dass du es zumindest schaffst, weil es deine Generation ist. Auch Taylor. Ich weiß, dass sie die größte Konzertspielerin der Welt ist. Aber ich weiß nicht, ob ich das wissen soll. Es ist lustig, weil ich den ganzen großen Teil meines Comedy-Aktes mache, der die Taylor Swift-Song betrifft.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Oh, yeah. Well, I'm going to tape an HBO special in May.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Fun. I'll come. I want to see. I'll let you know. Yeah, it's been pretty funny. I did a show last night. But there's a big moving part about crying and about a Taylor Swift song. Anyway.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
No, I used the trigger of all that stuff. Und ich denke, du hast auch mit diesem Thema gesprochen. Ich habe meine Partnerin vor ein paar Jahren verloren. Sie ist weggegangen. Entschuldige. Ja, danke. Aber der ganze Wurf mit der Taylor-Song ist so, dass ich immer wieder einen Hike mache. Ich hike oft. Und ich höre Musik. Und ich spreche über Grief. Du weißt nicht, wann es passieren wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Yeah, but once you're through the initial trauma of it, you can kind of compartmentalize it. But sometimes it comes up. Randomly. Right. And then you gotta just let it happen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
You know, it's where I don't know what your lives are like or how often you get to meet truly magical people. I've met a few, even with all the 1600 or so conversations I've had with people. The magic people are kind of... They're kind of rare, real magic people. I was talking to, who was I talking to about? I talked to James Mangold the other day. I'll put that out later about Dylan.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
You have to allow it. So the whole thrust of the bit is like, I'm doing this hike and I'm like, why is Taylor Swift so popular? Like, I'm an old man. I'll just download her record. And then you're like,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Es war die Song »Bigger than the whole sky«. Wow. Ja. Und das war das ganze Thema.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Yeah, that's, well, that's the thing that you have to, because as I said before, you know, a lot of, you know, I hold down a lot. Like I have control of my emotions and I stifle them a lot when I should have them. But with that particular one, there's something beautiful about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Yeah. Yeah. Because it brings you to a place of remembrance and also connection and also, you know, just the honest feeling of loss. And, you know, you got to let it happen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Yeah. No one's going to get out of this thing without experiencing it one way or the other.
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I did my whole last special about that. About dealing with it through comedy to provide some relief. Because there is no... cultural dialogue around it.
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Yeah, because people are terrified of death.
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So when, you know, it's even how we treat elderly people. You know, you don't want to see it because you know it's happening.
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Because like there is that, it's impossible not to have that feeling when somebody you love passes away that, well, I'm gonna, it's gonna happen to me.
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It's selfish, but I agree with you. There should be a place where people can handle it because we're built to handle it.
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Nein, nein, nein, ich meine, ich glaube, es ist die meiste, du weißt, es ist eine ziemlich ehrliche Frage und ich meine, die gesamte, du weißt, die globale Ökonomie ist gebaut auf Menschen, die Angst vor dem Tod sind und geträumt sind, aber wenn ich darüber denke, denke ich manchmal, wie, naja, das wäre, du weißt, es wäre entspannt, wie, du weißt, ich denke, ich bin bereit für einen Rest, du weißt, aber, du weißt, ich möchte generell aufwachen, ja,
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I think I am afraid of it, but I think I can acknowledge it as an inevitability and I think coming to peace with it, which you don't have to do, you're young and I'm not that old, but there is a point where you're kind of like walking with it on a certain level.
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Do you think about like the after thing? Are you like a heaven person?
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We change energy, but we're kind of here and we're all part of it.
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I did a whole bit about that, that, you know, in the weeks after she died, this idea, somebody had told me that, well, no one ever leaves, their energy is still here.
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I do. The joke on that was, like, I prefer in human form. For sure. You know, I'm glad.
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But then I do this whole thing about hummingbirds. I saw hummingbirds and I'm like, oh my god, it's Lynn. And then the joke is, the next day there was like four hummingbirds. I'm like, oh fuck, which one's Lynn? You know, that kind of thing. But yeah, I mean, let's get back to your voice. Sure, yeah. We're ten minutes in.
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He's another guy where it's this otherworldly magic that comes into these people. It's a combination of talent, but also just people are somewhat possessed with magical ability. But Ariana works hard. It's paid off. She's one of the biggest selling global pop musicians in history. And now she's an Oscar nominee for best supporting actress for Wicked.
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Was ich interessant fand, und was ich nicht immer vollständig erinnere, ist, dass auch wenn du als Kind oder als Kind, wie auf dem ersten Rekord, weißt du, obwohl du diese Songs singst, und es waren irgendwie R'n'B-Songs, richtig? Aber es gibt etwas, das spezifisch einzigartig ist, wie du vollständig hören kannst, wer du bist in deiner Stimme. Vielen Dank. von einer sehr jungen Zeit.
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Und ich weiß nicht, ob es einen Weg gibt, das zu erklären. Aber als du als Kind warst, zuvor du professionell gesungen hast, warst du die Art von Person, die ständig auf der Straße singt?
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Aber erinnerst du dich an die Zeit, zuvor du gesungen hast?
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Aber deine Mutter hatte etwas wie ihre Konzerte und andere Recordings von Judy?
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Also hast du jemals Judy Garland-Songen gemacht?
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Yeah, of course. Well, now you're part of that mythology.
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And what did he retire from? What was his life?
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And it's one of those songs... It holds so much. Well, that kind of speaks to what we were talking about before. It's one of those songs that requires... Totally. Yeah. Um... In your family? Or were you just a singing kid? Were you a normal kid?
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And when I got the opportunity to talk to her, I'm like, I do what I usually do. I got up to speed as much as I could. I generally with a musical guest that I'm not, you know, and I'm not a teenager. I didn't grow up with her. But generally what I do with musicians is,
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Right, but you know why? It's because she's a boss. And that there wasn't this, I think the insidious thing about the stage mom thing is that they're kind of pimping out their kids.
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So it sounds like you had a good separation. Your mom was able to let you be your own person.
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And also a good role model. Yeah. Because you're kind of a boss.
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Ja, ich verstehe nicht, wie Popmusik funktioniert, aber ich meine, es ist wie... Ich auch nicht.
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Und was machte dein Vater während all diesem?
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Real estate photography? You mean like those wide angle shots that make houses look bigger than they are?
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So you go from one house with the CEO to the house with the painter, with the pictures and everything.
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Were there ever times where you were like, I gotta take a break and go on the boat with my dad?
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Und also war dein erster Break wirklich das Singen des Nationalen Anthems? Ja, als ich acht war. Aber hat das... Weil, du weißt, Mandy Moore hat die gleiche Geschichte.
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ist, dass ich ein paar ihrer ersten Sachen höre, und dann bin ich ein bisschen in den Mittelpunkt, und dann höre ich wirklich nahe zu ihren neuesten Sachen, damit ich sozusagen sehe, wo sie herkommen sind und wo sie jetzt sind. Und ich habe das mit ihr gemacht, und ich hatte einige Erfahrungen mit ein paar ihrer Songs.
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Ja, sie singt den Nationalen Anthem. Und dann begann ich zu fragen, wie sie wissen, dass das ein Weg ist? Wie sie werden gesehen werden, wenn sie den Nationalen Anthem singen? Oh mein Gott.
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Aber wie hat das geschehen? Oh, ich habe geauditioniert.
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Oh, they were like, let's give the kid some love.
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And when does it start? So like as a regular kid? Are you having fun? Are you going to school? Do you have friends and stuff?
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Das ist großartig. Ich war also nicht so lange da. Bist du im Allmusical-Theater? Ja.
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And that's a big Broadway show, how they find you down there.
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Yeah, did you have like a Florida agent or manager?
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That was the previews. How long did it run? How long were you there?
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And that's when the attention started to come to you.
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Wir sprechen ein bisschen darüber, aber es muss nicht gesagt werden, dass es speziell war. Vielen Dank. It's Samantha Bee's Wits End Show, which is a live trivia game show where two celebrities go head to head. It's been running in New York for two years and now it'll be in L.A. with the proceeds going toward the Fire Relief Charities.
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Es war wirklich, ja, es war wirklich speziell. Und das war ein Zeitpunkt bei Broadway, wo sie einen Markt mit jungen Leuten gefunden haben, glaube ich. Es gab viele Shows.
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Und dann führt das zu The Nickelodeon Show?
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Und wann startest du? Und dann hast du den Spinoff gemacht. Ich hatte McCurdy hier.
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Ja, sie ist großartig. Ja, sie ist großartig. Heavy story, heavy book. Heavy book, heavy story. Aber sie ist eine tolle Person. Ja, sie ist auf dem Top. Aber während des Shows, wann fängst du an, nur Musik zu fokussieren?
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Also produzierst du diese Songs und legst sie auf YouTube ein?
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Aber wie wusstest du, dass YouTube das Ding war?
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Es war wirklich speziell. Und jetzt passiert das. Und wie kommst du plötzlich in eine Musik-Karriere? Hast du einen Rekord-Deal?
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And they're willing to honor my vision for what this is.
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Und du hast also das erste Lied gemacht, das war... Yours truly. Ja, und das waren original Songs, waren sie nicht? Mhm. Und in Bezug auf die Arbeit mit Produzenten und allem, wann hast du entschieden, oder wann hast du gewusst, es gab einige Hits auf diesem Lied, richtig?
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Kirk Bronner, Kristen Schaal, Doug Benson, Rachel Scanlon, Joe Mandy and Reggie Watts are just some of the comedians participating. You can go to the Elysian Theatre website, ElysianTheatre.com for tickets. Again, that's tonight through Wednesday. At 7 p.m. each night. Each night. I was up so late last night. I was watching Gone Girl, which I've seen before.
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Because then you don't... I try to keep it that way. Well, it seems like what you're telling me that makes you different. Certainly there's a generation of people that... I wrote this thing the other day. It just says ambition is not a point of view.
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Well, that's totally correct, but a lot of people just are ambitious and they figure it out through persistence.
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Well, because what happens is, if the public begins to be comfortable with that, then the integrity of what real art is gets diminished. And you get a lot of amateurs getting very popular specifically for the fact that they make money. Weißt du, was ich meine? Natürlich. Aber was ich gesagt habe, ist, dass es schön ist, dass deine Intentionen immer kreativ waren. Danke. Von Anfang an.
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Du warst nicht so wie, wie ich einen Nr. 1 Single machen kann.
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Wie funktioniert das? Ich war interessiert darüber, weil ich das vorhin über Popmusik erwähnt habe. Wenn du mit Leuten kollaborierst, Do you bring that to the table? Are you like, I really like this person and I like their work and can we see if we can get... Because collaboration is like, it's like a big part of pop music.
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Right, like, do you know these guys? Do you know this group? Or do you know this woman? Yes. And you're like, wow.
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Und dann, wenn du groß wirst, dann wissen die Leute dich. Und dann stelle ich mir vor, dass die Leute dich anrufen. Willst du das Ding an meinem Ding machen?
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Und wir spielen am 12.06. im Kino am Olympiasee in Zusammenarbeit mit unserem Partner Backmarket eine Live-Show, unser allererstes Open Air.
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Was hattest du gedacht, dass wir darüber sprechen würden?
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Ich bin verrückt. Ich bin verrückt. Ich bin verrückt. Ich bin völlig verrückt.
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Aber es ist lustig. Ich liebe es, keine Ahnung zu haben.
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Aber erklär mir, es muss ein Punkt kommen, wo du nach dem ersten Rekord, nachdem du anfängst zu verstehen, die Popularität und die Art und Weise, how many people love what you're doing, then you get savvy, right? By the second record, you're kind of like aware that you are at a precipice of huge pop stardom.
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Just sort of like the... Just talking about it, I'm anxious.
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And somehow, even though it's that movie, I didn't really remember how it ended. Quite. I watched it because I was going to... I was preparing to talk to Carrie Coon, who is an astounding actress. And I watched a couple of heavy movies. I got... I got boundary problems, man, with movies. Is that possible? I have boundary issues with movies.
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That I could stick around. You know what I mean?
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But that was also when, because the first album you didn't write any, but the second one you started, right?
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Way younger? Tattooed Heart? Was that the first song you wrote?
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Because when I listen to pop music, I'm like, there's so much going on. And it must take like two weeks to do one song.
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Ja, was ist ein Typ... Weil er irgendwie moderne Popmusik entwickelt hat, irgendwie. Ja, wirklich. Und wie funktioniert ein solcher Typ, wenn du mit einem Produzenten arbeitest? Was macht ihn so ein wunderschöner Produzent? Ist es sein Verständnis für die Arrangement? Ist es sein Verständnis für den Rhythmus oder den Sound? Ich meine, was macht ihn ein signaturer Typ?
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Wenn er kein Ego hat, kann man sich interfassen und zusammenbauen, ohne Argumente.
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Ja. could get frustrating, but the way you're describing it, the whole thing is just this process of discovery and the process is exciting.
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I can't... Sometimes I watch a movie and I get so immersed that I can't separate it from my life. Like I watched another one of her movies, The Nest. And it was like, you know, there's some animal tragedy in that. And I couldn't not... It's one thing, feeling emotions... But to sort of have emotions that linger and pervade your entire being. I mean, I try to watch some happy movies.
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Like, if it's not right, you don't get frustrated and say, fuck it, let's come back in a week. You're just sort of like, let's open it up and try some other places.
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Und auch, du hast diese komplette Kontrolle über diese massive Vokal-Range. Also, ich glaube, über die Zeit, als du die Kontrolle über dein Instrument hattest, hat es viele Wege geöffnet, um mit dir zu experimentieren.
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Is that just more innate? You don't think that way? Like, well, if I take it up to this octave and we can go down from here, you just kind of feel it out?
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Because, like... Für mich ist das Singen in und für sich so furchtbar, dass ich so vulnerable fühle. Es hat mich schon Jahre gedauert, es im Publikum zu machen. Ich mache es nicht professionell, aber ich wollte es, weil ich es mag. Aber nur das Akt, meine Stimme zu hören, ohne wirkliche Kontrolle darüber, macht mich fast weinen, weil ich so ausgewogen fühle.
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Ja, ja, es ist hart, aber es ist wunderschön. Aber ich kann nur vorstellen, dass wenn du Kontrolle über das hast und du dir in dieser Wunschung zufrieden bist, dass dein Blut so groß wird und du kannst jede Emotion, die du willst, mit jeder Art von Vokalisierung, die du tun willst, verbinden.
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So that's, and that was in the early too, because the musical acting, you had to connect it to action. Yeah. And so the script in and of itself gives you the emotional outline that you have to You know what the story is.
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But also in a movie like in Wicked, I mean, you're building scenes. So there's emotional arcs to every scene. And you can just sing to that.
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It's wild because a musical is a big gamble.
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They don't do the same thing, you know. So I'm going to be starting out in Iowa City at the Ingler Theater on Thursday, February 13th. That's this week on my tour. Then I'm in Des Moines, Iowa at the Hoyt Sherman Place on Friday, February 14th. And Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theater on Saturday, February 15th.
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So when did it, and I'm sure you've talked about this a lot, but what was your relationship with Wicked before you took the role?
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That musical? See, it's been around that long.
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Wirklich? Was brauchst du von Vocal Lessons an diesem Punkt?
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Was singst du normalerweise in musikalischen Terminen?
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So you had no real experience in that? Mm-mm. And, but because, so what's a vocal coach do with you? Like, you know, like do they say like, look, you know how to sing, but let's learn this.
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Now, was this in preparation for an audition or you've been offered the role?
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But on some level, who the fuck else is going to do it? What is that list?
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Next week I'm in Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel on Thursday, February 20th. Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater on Friday, February 21st. Louisville, Kentucky at the Baumhart Theater on Saturday, February 22nd. And Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House on Sunday, February 23rd.
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Aber natürlich kannst du das tun. Du bist so lustig. Jeder weiß, dass du lustig bist und du kannst Dinge machen und sketchen und SNL und alles.
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Aber das ist interessant, dass Sie beide bewusst waren, wer Sie in der Welt waren, in Bezug auf Ihre Popularität und Erfolg und was das definiert. Und der Talent war unvergesslich. Das ist kindlich. Aber die Frage war, kann man sich separieren?
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Und du warst von Anfang an davon bewusst? Ich war. Und wie war der Prozess, als sie dich zuerst mit Cynthia eingeladen haben?
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Then I'm coming to Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois, Michigan, Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire, and then New York City for my special taping. Some of you are asking about tickets to that. They are not on sale yet. They are not there yet. But for all the other ones, you can go to WTFpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets. Maybe this is off topic. I don't know.
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Und ihr habt beide diese Charaktere für euch zusammengelegt. Ja. Das muss also ein sehr spannendes erste Meeting gewesen sein.
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Ja, wow. Also es ist wie, du kreierst eine der stärksten Freundschaften deines Lebens aus der Bedürfnis, eine Art Kunst zu erneuern. Ja. Wow. Und es hält. Ihr seid gut.
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But the process of shooting the movie must have been daunting and exhausting. And, you know, there's flying involved.
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But I've got a pretty new refrigerator and it's pretty sealed, it seems to me. And all these little fucking bugs keep getting in there.
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And how do you deal with, because I know you don't do a lot of these longer talks.
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Thank you, I'm glad you made it. How do you, how have you kind of wrangled and... Du hast es effektiv gestaltet, was von der Welt kommt, Online, Social Media, Tabloid. Es scheint, du hattest ein bisschen Zeit, um herauszufinden, wie man diese Boundaries einschränken kann.
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Now, I talk about a lot of things on this show, but I know that's one of those things where I'm going to get a lot of emails with theories about the bugs, where they come from, why they're getting in, unless they just squeeze through the seal, or maybe they're coming from food, but there's nothing in there that has the bugs, and I don't even know if they're bad for me, they're just a little...
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Dass Leute an deinem persönlichen Leben preisen und über Dinge spekulieren.
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Of course, yeah, because it'll tear you apart. If you're going through the world, you know, showing yourself and having an open heart and engaging in a creative thing, that when, you know, predatory media or people lock into you, there's a persistence to it. And if you can't have a boundary that whether you need help or not to maintain it, it can destroy you.
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Und du willst, dass du den Fokus behalten kannst.
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Man, it's been a long time since I've been a guest on things. I somehow pulled out of that. That rotation, like I don't do almost anybody's podcast and I feel a little rusty at it. It's kind of weird. I did a guest shot on Adam Ray's Dr. Phil show the other night and it was weird. I was nervous. I think I told you about that. But the other day I did a Zoom appearance on YouTube.
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Right, but art at the level you're doing it too. It's not just about the public and the clickbait and the tabloids and everything else, but you also become limited in how you can live your life to a certain degree publicly.
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Well, I mean that it's hard for you to disappear in public, I would imagine.
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Do you travel and stuff? Do you have fun? Do you have fun hobbies?
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And that also that you've been doing this long enough to where there's literally people that have grown up with you. And they have a relationship with your heart.
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No, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing. And I'm glad you're handling it all. Thank you. And you do great work.
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Good. That's true. When you do great work as an artist, and I'm glad you've made the time to transcend your cough.
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Well, thank you. And it was great talking to you.
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There you go. That was a real conversation with a pop superstar and an actress and a funny person and a profoundly magically talented individual. She's up for Best Supporting Actress at the Oscars. Wicked is still in theaters and available to rent on digital platforms. Hang out for a minute, folks.
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Und wir spielen am 12.6. im Kino am Olympiasee. Sagt man am Olympiasee?
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Oh, das wäre geil, so eine Tretbootshow. Und wir spielen am 12.6. am Kino im Olympiasee.
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Und wir spielen am 12.06. im Kino am Olympiasee in Zusammenarbeit mit unserem Partner Backmarket eine Liveshow, unser allererstes Open Air.
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Okay, wir bekommen meistens viele Oscar-Nominierten in der Garage in dieser Zeit des Jahres. Und am Dienstag hört man meinen Gespräch mit Best Director-Nominierten James Mangold. Und wir sprechen über seine Filme, seine Influenzen und natürlich auch über Bob Dylan.
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Ich habe die Alarmglocken im Dylan-Camp ausgelöst, weil sie mein Skript gelesen haben. Ja. Und wir sagten, das ist nicht das Mandat, das wir für diesen Film wollten. Wir wollten, dass es um die Musik geht, nicht um Bobs persönliche Leben.
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And I was like, I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to make a movie that's just about the music. And COVID hit and kind of killed the movie for the near term anyway.
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Was this before you had focused on this one particular time or was that always the arc?
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
That was always the arc. There was always the arc, but the anticipation, like the book, Elijah Wald book, doesn't really delve into the personal. But to put the book... in Filmform, ohne all das andere, wäre es für mich ein Verbrechen gewesen. Es hätte die Musik aus allen Kontexten entfernt. Es hätte das Herz aus dem Film genommen. Zumindest als ich es gesehen habe.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Wir waren also in einem Moment von Tänzung oder Impasse, und dann kam Covid und machte es irrelevant. Und dann, etwa zwei Monate nach Covid, das ist 2020, I get a call from Bob's manager who goes, well, you know, Bob's tour was cancelled. I'm like, okay. And he goes, so he asked to read the script. And I go, okay. And he goes, and he likes it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
And so suddenly the team, Team Bob, had completely changed because Bob was at a different point of view than what they had anticipated. And he goes, and he'd like to meet you. So then that became a series of meetings with Dylan where We discussed the script and his life and this period and a million other things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Dana Carvey und David Spade's Podcast. And that was fun, man. It was fun. Again, I got to keep talking to people. I see Spade pretty frequently at the Comedy Store, but just to engage with the two of them and... Fuck, man. There are some guys that say some lines. And they're just lines. Where I'm like, holy shit. That is so funny. I'm never going to forget it. You know, I'll let you watch it.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
But the point being that I suddenly had license to go to places that his team had said I couldn't.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Because I don't want to throw him under the bus in any way. Because I don't know if he'll use it. But we were talking about a movie that is notoriously kind of bad and panned. And we were talking about it. And I was like... I didn't see it. And I asked Spade if he had seen it. He said, I couldn't get through the poster. I couldn't get through the poster. Come on.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
That's a fucking, that's going to be wedged in my brain forever. I'll just visit it when I need a little chuckle. I guess that's what good jokes do. Brendan reminded me of a joke I used to do that was similar. And I'm like, why did I stop doing that joke? Because it was too simple about watching a movie, a bad movie. And I guess the line was, it was so bad, I almost walked out of my house.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
I can use that for any movie. Why do I forget the good, simple jokes? Why don't I have more jokes? Did I tell you the story about taking it easy, the new Marc Maron? Well, in this time of trouble and darkness and perhaps the end of even my ability,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
zu sprechen, äh, öffentlich, aus der Sicht, die ich mache, komm, sieh diese Shows, es könnte die letzte Tour vor den Restriktionen sein, aber, äh, ich muss mich ein bisschen lichtern, richtig, warum muss alles so urgent sein, was ist mit mir falsch, okay, schau, ich will nicht zu lange rambeln, Ariana Grande ist hier, ich meine, komm schon, komm schon, Ariana Grande is here.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Und wir spielen am 12.6. im Kino am Olympiasee. Sagt man am Olympiasee? Oder im Olympiasee?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
She's up for Best Supporting Actress at the Oscars. Wicked is still in theaters and available to rent on digital platforms. And she's here right now. This is me talking to Ariana Grande.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Und wir spielen am 12.6. im Kino am Olympiasee. Sagt man am Olympiasee? Oder im Olympiasee? Ja.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast, welcome to it. It's called WTF, if you're not aware what you're listening to. That's always been the name. I don't know that we knew it'd be like a brand. For years we've been delivering it. For years. What's happening?
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Oh, das wär geil, so eine Tretbootshow. Und wir spielen am 12.6. am Kino im Olympiasee.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Und wir spielen am 12.06. im Kino am Olympiasee in Zusammenarbeit mit unserem Partner Backmarket eine Live-Show, unser allererstes Open Air.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Oh, wow. Ja, das ist so, wie ich es fühle, das ist die Balance. Das ist die Balance.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
You don't have a post-show routine of sort of rewarding yourself?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Zwiebeln. Zwiebeln. Oh ja. Zwiebeln, wo kommt das her?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Ja, ich bin auch vegan. Zwei Jahre. Ja, oh. Fast zwei Jahre.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Well, I talked to Cynthia about this too. It's so funny, I talked to Cynthia and I think we talked about food for an hour.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
So when you guys are on set, you can share your snacks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
What made me do it was I wanted to see if I could get my cholesterol numbers down a little bit. They weren't that bad. But then I like cooking for it. I like the whole thing of it. And once you can figure out how to get protein and how to balance your food, it's great.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Was war der Moment, als du an einen Katzen geschaut hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Das ist so lustig, weil Italiener, ich meine, es ist alles Käse und Fleisch. Ich weiß. Wie italienisch wart ihr?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Oh, meine Oma lebt dort. Natürlich lebt sie da. Oder sie hat. Wie sind deine Eltern dort gekommen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
So it was sort of like a retirement-y kind of thing. Were they like New Yorkers?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Like what is it? Is it figurative, abstract?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
And so, but they were like your grandparents were full on Brooklyn Italians.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
I don't know how it happened, but it happened. Ariana Grande is here today. Only one of the biggest stars in the world. She's one of these people... I don't know her whole catalog. I don't know a lot of it. You know, I got up to speed.
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Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
How does that work out, the different dads? Your parents aren't together?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1616 - Ariana Grande
Und du bist nicht mehr in der Wohnung. Nein, ich bin lange weg. Ich bin 80.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Unverletzend, nicht verletzend, das ist ziemlich interessant. Ja. Oh, that's good. You can step up. You've got the emergency kit. You're ready to go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, I don't think it's come alive. I think like, you know, because I'm like an anxious person and my brain's always going. And there's a certain amount of dread and panic and just a kind of like... Ja, genau. Ja, genau.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
At the Uptown Theater, Saturday, January 11th. I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado. Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th. Then Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater on Saturday, January 18th. I'll be in Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. Dann San Luis Obispo, Kalifornien, am Fremont Center am Freitag, Januar 31st.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Oddly, that whole section of the book was important to me, because I had evolved...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
There was an arc to my, you know, and it's all in that book, you know, the drugs and whatever, and however I broke my mind open and however I was brought up, that there is something about, and now we're living in the time of those fictions winning, you know, conspiracies and stuff, because people want to believe things. Of course. But I like that story too, because that was a real moment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And I, you know, I'm still friends with Jim. I've known him for years. He still works in and out of politics and stuff. And he's sort of a A go-to person when there is a certain amount of panic. But now, like, you know, the panic is real and we have no fucking idea what the fuck is going to happen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So, like, you know, in all those conspiracies, some of those ones that I was locked into are still part of the ones that are popular now. You know, whether it be Freemasons and this and that. But, um...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Oh, Comedy, the Comedy, Stand Up New York. Stand Up New York, that's it. Stand Up New York.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But that was only famous to you, because I wasn't that famous. I imagine, I don't think I was trying to be an asshole. No, it's more just like, what would I do with it, is the thing.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Monterey, Kalifornien, am Golden State Theater am Sonntag, Februar 1st. Es kommen viele andere Dates. Oklahoma, Kansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas. Geht einfach auf wtfpod.com. Und ihr könnt die ganze Liste sehen. Ihr könnt alles sehen. Okay, also schaut mal. Ich habe ein E-Mail von einem Mann. Und... I think it's kind of a life changer.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, I'm sorry. No, no, no, what were you going to do with it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, what generally happens is if you enter that agreement, then all of a sudden, you know, I'm going to have to give you feedback. No, of course. We have a lunch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But I think at that time, I mean, Jesus, like, what was that, early 2000s? What year was that? Before 9-11. Yeah, so like... It was the summer before. Oh, yeah. So I wasn't, I was out of my mind. Oh, really? Yeah, kind of. I mean, I was, you know, I was scrambling. I wasn't, you know, the Jerusalem Syndrome, that book...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I don't know if you would have read it, though, because I think that book was sort of... Was it after that? Yeah, it was just a few months after 9-11 that that book came out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still, I was just trying to make something of myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
No, no, no, not at all. I mean, I think at that time, that was like... Ich weiß nicht immer genau, was das ist. Ich bin immer noch überrascht, wenn Leute sagen, du hast mir wirklich geholfen. Wenn du einen bestimmten Niveau der Identifikation hast... Ich weiß, dass ich meine Leute habe. Ich habe mal einen Witz gemacht.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Wenn du einen mittleren Celebriten hast, kannst du auf der Straße laufen und drei Leute kommen zu dir und einer sagt dir, oh mein Gott, Marc Maron. Und die anderen sagen dir, ich weiß nicht, wer das ist.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So I know they're out there. I don't think I would have known at that time. But thank you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
New Brunswick? Yeah. Yeah, my dad went to Rutgers.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah. But I grew up, my whole family's from Jersey.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Jersey City, Pompton Lakes. So in New Brunswick, so you're in Jersey. Yeah.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, what's the whole background? How are you so... Do you have brothers and sisters? Yeah, I have sisters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So he was an academic when you were very young.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, and I don't know, did those things get discredited eventually, the Stanford ones?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, I wonder, I can't remember why, but I kind of remember that story.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I'm not sure Jill Stein isn't a birthday clown. So you grew up in this environment. Were they kind of post-hippie people? Yeah, definitely. They were real progressive. How old were they?
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So they're real boomers and they're both from New York?
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, no, I think we test out for that. Other than, like, the basic, you know, heart disease and various cancers. Right, right, right. I mean, you gotta be really special to get Tay-Sachs, I think.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Oh, did you find out, have you ever, I did that show, you know, Finding Your Roots. Oh, did you? Yeah. Where did you find? Oh, my God. You know, that guy Gates, you know, the guy who, he was so thrilled, because I think they got further back with my patriarch, my dad's. Do you know what the name was, like your last name was? Well, it was always Marin. Not Munger.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
No, and we did find that out, and I don't know why that is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, Berg, that's the end of a Jewish name.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So, but were you brought up, like, so it was progressive? Were you brought up reformed?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And this guy is not a pro therapist or assessor of psychological things. I'll just read this to you. But this guy, Cameron, he says, I want to comment on the ADHD narcissism thoughts that you've been openly sharing and your recent interview with Rosemary DeWitt, where you commented that listeners are suggesting ADHD. It could be ADHD. Your stories often support this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Also, wann hast du angefangen, als du ein Kind warst, weil du ein bisschen gezwungen bist, weißt du? Warst du immer gezwungen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So you feel like this is all... Pre-existing mental issues? Can you trace the foundation of your paralyzing anxiety? Oh, yeah, but I don't like to talk about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Hi, Backmarket hier. Die mit der erneuerten Technik, die dich weniger kostet. Wie dieser Laptop. Er kann alles, was ein Laptop so können muss. Schreiben, zocken, streamen, surfen, inkognito surfen. Einfach alles, was ein brandneuer Laptop kann. Aber der hier ist deutlich günstiger als neu. Denn er ist nicht neu. Er ist von Profis auf Herz und Nieren geprüft.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, because I differentiate. Like I had this realization for myself. dass Anxiety, wenn es wegkommt, wenn du mit Anxiety verbraucht wirst, gehst du in eine Paralys, denke ich. Das könnte Depressionen aussehen, aber es ist wirklich nur dein Gehirn, das sagt, genug. Es ist nicht blick, es ist ein Art existenzieller Entschädigung, das ich denke, könnte Depressionen aussehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Depression is like this profound hopelessness and despair. But when you're anxious, eventually it's almost like your brain is just sort of like, fuck it. And you enter this other zone where you want relief. I used to do a joke about that. I used to do a joke about... How, like, you know, I think about suicide all the time, but it's not because I want to kill myself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I just find it relieving to know I can if I have to. Yeah, that opportunity. Yeah, just sort of like, you know, why does my life, hey, I could always kill myself. Yeah, that's funny and sad and true.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I'm not about to suggest this, but speaking to a qualified evaluator is always an option. But on the idea of self-centeredness and ADHD, this idea of how one can be so focused on self and have so much doubt. You are right. Narcissists don't experience doubt. I'm a coach that works with super creative leaders and business owners, most having an ADHD diagnosis. I also have ADHD.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, I think it's like the worldview, I don't know if I, I can identify bleakness now. And I think that I have a propensity to look at things in a bleak way. But I think it's more connected to dread. dass wenn du einen kräftigen Druck oder einen Scham-Druck hast, dann wird alles durchgehen. Das informiert deine ganze Perzeption. Das kann also ziemlich blöd werden.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Aber ich kann auch nur mit dir sprechen. Ich habe es nicht gemacht. Aber viele haben es gemacht. Well, I was talking to, who was I talking to the other day? Josh Brolin. And oddly, we get along very well. But I know the topic came up about how he had some guy he kind of knew who invited him out to drink with him and his friend. And Josh wasn't drinking at the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And he got to the bar and the guy's like, can you have a drink? And he's like, I don't feel like having a drink. And the guy's like, what are you talking about? I brought my friend. And he realized this moment where it's like, oh, you want to see me? I'm the clown. You want to see me go crazy with the boot, right? And I said to him, I said, well, that's, I mean, that's at least something.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I don't think I'm on the first, I'm on the list for anyone to invite to a party. Right, right, right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, yeah, you haven't even been the clown? Not really. I think, like, because of the, like you, I think there's an intensity that is contrary to a good time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I think it's also that thing where my brother has it worse than me. And I've been aware of this stuff for a long time, so I've kind of let go of things. But there is a component to people who are kind of keyed in to whatever it is themselves. They have a certain intensity when they enter the world that it's a... It's just a little exhausting to people. It's too much. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Like my brother, just like, you know, he doesn't, you know, after a certain point, and I'm sure you've learned on some level, it's like, hey, maybe there's some things I don't have to talk about at this particular place. Right, right, right. Of course. Yeah. But that's a hell of a thing to learn for somebody who has a disposition like that. Like, all right, do you have to bring up the thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I don't know what fun is, I don't think, totally. I mean, I can do it on my own sometimes. I can play a little guitar or whatever, but I'm not... I'm not water skiing. You know, I'm not like, I don't like, you know, like, I don't know who this, I was talking to maybe Bobby Lee. So sort of like, you know, these people that travel together as couples and stuff.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
You're like, we're all going to go to the thing. I'm like, I don't know what that is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And you, like, well, I mean, I watch that movie. Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, no, I enjoyed it. But, like, it's one of those things, because I'm not, I don't think we're... essentially, you know, personality-wise, they're not similar, but I know where you're coming from. Of course. And, you know, and I understand that, sort of, and I understand Kalkins' character, too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
One consistent complaint from their life partners and employees is that they seem so self-centered. And the narcissism question can come up, so they could be narcissists and have ADHD, but this is extremely rare. So why are these people with ADHD accused of being self-centered? Now, look, I know I'm reading this whole thing, but you got to understand something.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
You know, but there was a thing where I'm like, oh my God, are these guys gonna ever feel better? Like, there's a thing there. But it was very touching. And I think, like, in terms of, now, like, that you say, you've traveled these places, and there is sort of a, it was interesting, because it wasn't,
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
You know, going to find where your grandmother lived when she was a kid and even given her particular set of circumstances, it wasn't about reconnecting with Jewishness. Right, no. Really. No, no, no. Which is kind of interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, I mean, I don't know. It's always been vague with Jewishness. I was brought up conservative and I always... Oh, were you? Yeah, I mean, you know, it wasn't reformed, but it wasn't, you know, I did Bar Mitzvah thing. And, you know, it was not, you know, reform was always sort of like, do they have a guitar and stained glass windows?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
You know, like, so... Yeah, we were called the church by the conservative temple in town. Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. But nonetheless, the way I put it, I was never taught how to use God. Right, okay. Right, so the faith of it, it's fairly complex in terms of Judaism. I mean, when I've investigated certain things, I still don't feel the drive. Ja, ich auch. Absolut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Did you have a relationship with your grandparents? Yeah, yeah. And truth be told, they were also not... Yeah, they weren't really, no, not really. Mine weren't either, but they were, but it was of a sort. You know, culturally they were.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Also, wie lange arbeitest du an dieser Geschichte?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I don't personally I don't even know what I would do with a diagnosis. And I can't tell you that I'm going to go to a professional evaluator. I don't know whether I care whether I have ADHD or not, because I'm probably not going to medicate. It's just my nature. I'm a guy who is very cognitively oriented therapeutically. I believe in contrary action and acting as if.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
My grandmother's line is from Poland, but I think it was Ukraine then, Galicia.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Ja, ich denke, es war eine dieser Bereiche, wo es manchmal die Ukraine war, manchmal war es Polen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So, but what is it that's fascinating about trauma tourism?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
If it applies to you. Because you could argue that half of this country, in terms of the Civil War, those are monuments to Traumaturism.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So you're speaking Traumaturism essentially revolving around the Holocaust.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Es gibt auch das Slavermonument in Alabama, das war wahrscheinlich eines der am meisten bewegenden und horrendesten Dinge, die ich je gesehen habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Ich war noch nie da. Oh mein Gott. I always forget the full name of it, but it's basically about the lynching and all the lynching that took place over time. And it's an art piece. And it's part of the museum in... in, I think, in Montgomery or somewhere that has to do with remembering this slave experience. But it was, you know, that was a similar kind of thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I mean, it was a smart movie in the sense that like you're very specific about the size of the tour. Right. Because, you know, those tours can be much bigger than that. Yeah, of course. And for some reason, as a device, and it was smart to just be like, well, this is a very small group.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, because I went to Israel once and it was a busload.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And through repetition, I find that the new neural pathways are kind of opened up, plowed, carved out. That's just my belief. But let's get back to this, because there's something about this, maybe helpful to you, but it was certainly an amazing breakthrough for me, just the information here. He says,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, especially now. But it's not going to be a fun trip. It's the permits alone. So this was driven by a lot of your personal experience, but the character that Kieran plays, your cousin, War das, weißt du, ist das etwas, ist das ein weiteres Ausdruck deiner Erfahrung, denkst du?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Ja, es gibt es. Ja. Und ich denke, die Art, wie diese beiden Charaktere zusammen gespielt haben, hat es geexplodert. Ich meine, das ist letztendlich... It was sort of a battle to challenge strangers' empathy. Yeah, exactly. And the way you kind of played that out with yourself and with that character is that you both specifically... have problems. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And because you're the more codependent one, you know, half of his problems become your problems. Exactly. Because of your own fear and attachment. Right. But through that monologue that you had, You kind of reveal your own sort of issues. And then it just becomes, both of these guys have problems, but the zero fucks guy somehow is more palatable. Wait, palatable how?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, just like, you know, you feel for him, like right at the edge of him losing everybody. Right. You know, you reveal this thing, I don't want to spoil it for anybody. And all of a sudden, the entire lens of how people look at him changed. Oh, of course, exactly. And they're willing to forgive almost everything. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
The main dilemma with ADHD is getting access to our task network, the place we make decisions and identify, prioritize and execute tasks. We then spend a lot of time in the meaning making part of the brain, the default mode network. I often say we are wired for context when we consider new information. The first thing we do is ask, how does this relate to me?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But it's also like in general, though, it's off-putting and there is a, you know, you're sort of, Ich meine, ja, sicher, du hast es gespielt, also hat der Tourist etwas aus dem, was er gesagt hat, und das könnte wichtig sein, aber es gibt immer noch den Niveau... Genau, das ist genau es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, because like your character is a lot more transparent just by nature of the vulnerability of it. Right. Whereas him, you know, there's really no sort of way to understand why he did what he did. Exactly. And, you know, and then you kind of threw in the piano thing to be like, well, these gifted people are so troubled kind of.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But I understand why those people are attractive. Exactly that. Because it's like, you know, how do they, like they're so able to live with themselves.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Right, like that is the shortcoming of it. Everything becomes sort of secondary to, you know, the character's, you know, concern, your character's concern for him. And the idea that this, however it's going to help you, you know, you pulled him out of a hole and, you know, he doesn't travel much. But ultimately the whole journey is really towards, you know, your character having some sort of
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Ability to maybe let go of whatever this spell this guy has on you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Right, yeah, because, you know, you were jealous of him your whole life. Right. And he's kind of a bully. Right. You know, that's the downside of that personality, is they're going to expose you through their need for attention.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But also he's like, it looks like grandma's feet and it reminds me of my... Oh yeah, and then all of a sudden he's showcasing his unique relationship with the grandmother that you didn't have. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, when you go into a process of writing something like this, so, do you do read-throughs? What is the process?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Because, you know, the cast of characters is specific and interesting. You know, to have, you know, a victim of real genocide with the Rwandan guy. Right. And then the sort of classic kind of middle... Das war eine interessante Sache. Aber es fühlt sich so an, als hätte es viel Zeit genommen, etwas so zu refineieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So this in and of itself is kind of a mind-blower for me, because that is how I take in everything. And I never thought I was narcissistic, and I actually made a decision to shift my comedy through that lens entirely, no matter what I'm talking about. And I think everyone kind of does this, but not with everything. So he goes on. Das ist wie ein Schlüssel zum Königreich, Mann. Holy shit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But the script was tight once you started?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Auf einer Tour? Ja, es ist tatsächlich ein Paar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Aber als du angefangen hast zu actieren, warst du in einer Theaterhochschule?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
When you go back, when you finished your last semester, were you locked in? I mean, were you still interested?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So the experience of acting, what you learned in terms of acting, you learned primarily in high school?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Ich mache Griechisch. Es ist einfacher, die Sprache ist einfacher.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So when you say you keep trying to get better as an actor, what challenges you the most? Oh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Ja, ich auch. Ich habe mich nur mit der Stimme eines Bösen ausgesucht und dachte mir, ich hätte es besser machen können.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, for me, in terms of like, because it's not, it wasn't really my life acting, you know, comedy was my life and, you know, doing this and whatever. And I've always wanted to do acting and I've done more of it lately. But for me to feel like, I think that after years of being a comic and watching myself do that, sometimes it's awful, sometimes it's not.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But I think I'm objective enough to go like, well, that's why that didn't work. So it's sort of helpful to me. Of course. No, if you're a comic, you have to, because you're a solo show. Kind of. I mean, it's just seeing myself on TV and stuff. Sometimes I'm happy with it and sometimes I'm not. And I think with acting, too, you can watch yourself and sort of go like, well, that was not the... Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Okay. Yeah, I've missed things that I've done. You know what I mean? And I think it's gotten more lately. But there are, like that last movie I did, or the one I did during the pandemic, that two Leslie movie. Because I'm like, well, if I'm going to act and somehow it's going to become worthwhile to do it, even with the waiting. Ja. Ja, ich denke so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But isn't that part of the job of film acting is to, you know, be aware of these things because you're on camera?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, I don't know. I find that like I found like in this movie I just shot where, you know, the guy would be, you know, like I would know, like, In a scene, you know, my tone. And if he said, could you take that in a little bit? He said, I'm the first guy he's ever really met or worked with that was aggressive agreement.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But it's interesting that you bring up this idea of not watching it because I just shot this movie and it was the first movie I've ever been a lead in. And I can honestly say that I never once went home thinking I should have done it differently. That's a great feeling. Right. So on some level it kind of makes an argument for what you're saying. It's like, why watch it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
You've had it sometimes. Yeah. Well, because like, again, like it was a situation where I'd never had to, you know, I've never been offered the opportunity to be the lead in the movie. Right. And I thought the movie was beautifully written and it's very funny and it's very dark. And I just really felt that I gave it all I got. That's great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
So if I fell short, I couldn't have done it any differently.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But no, because there's scenes in it where I'm like... I really was like in it and I felt connected and I'm curious to how they play in relation to how I was feeling in them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
This is also why it is hard to get present with an opportunity. We can play out all the different scenarios of how something could go wrong, like you were sharing about the New York gig. Everyone's ADHD presents differently based on their lived experience. Someone with depression will present differently than someone with anxiety.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Really? With anything or just with movies?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Oh, so that might just be about like kind of bringing the work home with you. Maybe that's what it is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, yeah. I watched you in that, like, I'm a huge Kelly Reichardt fan. Oh, yeah. And that movie was interesting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Even if it wasn't on purpose, but I cannot... That was good satire and artists and stuff like that. I cannot unsee that guy digging that hole. That to me was the best fucking thing I ever saw.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Aber hast du Spaß gemacht? Ich meine, du machst diese Art von, du hast einige ziemlich große, lustige Filme gemacht. Ja. Und hast du eine gute Zeit? Hast du Direktoren, die du viel genossen hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I mean, the idea that we forget our sense of self, that we misplace our sense of self... Das ist so verdammt grundlegend wichtig für mich. Schau, ich weiß nicht, wie jemand anderes zu diesem Thema reagieren kann, aber ich teile es nur, weil es mich verdammt beeindruckt, weil ich über diese Dinge immer denke. Warum bin ich nicht so wie die Person, die ich bin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, I thought that you were very decisive in your directing of The Real Pain.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Like, I thought that, like, you knew the parameters of what your vision was and you honored it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
It's like one of the best movies ever. Despite the horrible fact that the reality of Woody Allen is much different than what we grew up with. But that movie, and I always cite it too, the moral balance of that movie is baffling. But also, I can see it, the way when you're setting up
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Die Art und Weise, wie du eine Location eröffnest, du bist sehr sensibel zu der Architektur und der Formierung von Fotos, wie die Fotos einer Stadt, was er viel gemacht hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Yeah, no, exactly. And it serves a purpose. It doesn't become a distraction.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Right, right. Well, you want the audience to trust you and you have a tone that you're honoring. And even I imagine you've had this experience with stuff you're acting in where, you know, the written material diminishes the character and the service is something that is not character driven.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fucking ears? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast, WTF. Welcome to it. How's it going? Today I talked to Jesse Eisenberg. I'm sure you know him. He's an actor. He's a writer. He's a director. You know him from The Social Network, The Squid and the Whale, Zombieland.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And I don't know how you managed to find the most intimate feeling concentration camp in Poland.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Warum fühle ich mich so, weißt du, fragil und wie ich nichts weiß oder was ich tue? Oder, weißt du, du kannst sagen, es ist Angst. but misplacing sense of self when you're not engaged with what it is that you find meaning in. How fucking good is that? Doesn't matter if I have it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And so that's going to take up most of your time for the next year?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Well, you did a great job on that movie and a lot of your work. Thank you so much.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I'm so glad. And I appreciate you telling me that. Because it is those things. The things you hold on to as you get older that really changed your perception of something are usually fairly small things. Do you know what I mean? Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Oh, yeah, thanks. And it was great talking to you. You too. Thanks a lot. Yeah. There you go. Intense guy. I enjoyed it. A real pain is now playing in theaters. Hang out for a minute, people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Hi, Backmarket hier. Die mit der erneuerten Technik, die dich weniger kostet. Wie dieser Laptop. Er kann alles, was ein Laptop so können muss. Schreiben, zocken, streamen, surfen, inkognito surfen. Einfach alles, was ein brandneuer Laptop kann. Aber der hier ist deutlich günstiger als neu. Denn er ist nicht neu. Er ist von Profis auf Herz und Nieren geprüft.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Doubtfully, I will find out and I doubt that I would take medication for it because I have adapted in certain ways and it is kind of part of me. And I'm not saying that's right for everybody. Maybe it'd be nice to know. I don't know. But this misplaced self business, the misplaced self business, Oh mein Gott.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Fitter Akku und 12 Monate Garantie inklusive. Er ist professionell erneuert. Und er macht nur Pause, wenn du eine brauchst. Gönn dir ein Downgrade. Backmarket.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Hey Leute, ihr könnt meinen Talk mit Jesses Co-Star in Real Pain, Kieran Culkin, anschauen. Er war auf Episode 1150, als wir noch über Zoom gesprochen haben. Habt ihr seit eurer Show gespielt? Nicht wirklich. Ich habe mit Wrestlern über die Jahre gesprochen. Ich habe interviewt, wir hatten Mick Foley. Mick Foley, ja. Aber er war ein echtes Deal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Aber in Bezug auf das Show, in Bezug auf die Forschung, war es nie mein Ding als Kind. Aber ich habe von diesen Leuten gelernt. Und ich habe auch mit Colt Cabana gesprochen, der das alte, retro-independente Wettbewerb macht, das ist wie kein Frills.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
That's actually true, yeah. That's episode 1150 with Kieran Culkin and you can listen to it for free on whatever platform you're using right now. To get every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Here we go.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Ich habe immer gedacht, dass ich nur gut bewahrt und defensiv und Angst hatte und all das. Es kann sein, aber es ist ein sehr spezifisches Gefühl, das dieser Kerl darüber gesprochen hat. Und das führt zu meiner Erfahrung in New York. Because heading into this gig, we did a rehearsal. It was me and Vivino, Adam Menkoff on bass, Sean Felton on drums. And we rehearsed.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Boomer lives, Monkey and the Fonda, Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And then it turns out Kevin Bacon was going to be at the gig. So we asked him if he wanted to sing one. He came down, did Run, Run Rudolph, the Chuck Berry tune. And then Kingfish... Chris Stone, Kingfish Ingram, he came down, did a couple of songs. He didn't rehearse with us, but the next day we did a run through. Anyway, so we did the rehearsal. I felt pretty good about it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
All I was thinking about was, don't choke, figure it out. You know these songs, figure it out. Don't choke. Try to have a good time. Get in the pocket, dude. But more importantly, what happened the night after rehearsal is, look, I haven't gone to the Comedy Cellar much in the last five years. I don't know what it was. There's many reasons why I turned on it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
One, you know, it's a place where I started out and I never felt when I was younger that I was necessarily welcome there. I always felt that it was a difficult room. I always felt judged by Manny and Esty. It's a little traumatic. And I also thought it got kind of bro-y and I thought maybe I had some enemies there. You know, I've got an old friend that's there a lot and, you know, we don't speak.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And I was just like, fuck it, I'm not going there anymore. But I used to just like to go to, you know, to, you know, to hang out with the people, with the comics. And now they've got like four rooms. But anyway, so I'm walking with Mankoff and I'm like, fuck it, I'm going over there. You know, it's like I, you know, I'm going over there. I'm Marc Maron. I found myself. I'm Marc Maron.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I can go there. I'm not like some marginal... Well, maybe a little. But I paid my dues at that point. I'm just gonna go. Fuck it. I'm gonna go hang out. And I get there... Und es ist kind of crazy. I'm just sitting there and I'm looking at all the four monitors. And, you know, for some reason, Bobby Lee was there and that was great. Santino was there. Chris Rock is there. Ari Shafir is there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Darren Aronofsky is hanging out. Attell comes in. And they asked me if I wanted to do a spot. And I haven't set foot on that stage, I swear to God, in 10 years. And I just rose above all this dumb, weird shit from not being there for so long. And I'm going to use this misplaced self thing because I had to kind of reconfigure who the fuck I am. I've been doing this my whole fucking life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I went on stage for like 10, 15. I killed it. You know, things I thought it was going to be tense as fuck. Und es war einfach normal. Es waren einfach Leute, die gesprochen haben. Es war einfach normal. Wir sind alle alte Scheißen jetzt. Und ich glaube, wir halten auf zu diesen Resentiments oder Fehlern und was auch immer oder Beefs. Ich weiß nicht. Es war alles einfach.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
He's a regular contributor to The New Yorker. And he is a published playwright. He's the writer and director of the new movie A Real Pain, which he stars in along with Kieran Culkin. I thought it was enjoyable. I thought it was good. I thought it was well written. I thought it was well acted. I like that Kieran Culkin guy and I like him and Jesse together. I will recommend the movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Es war wie ein verdammtes Gewicht, das aus meinem verdammten Bein geübt wurde. I did the set. I saw old friends. I can't say I repaired any friendships, but everything was normal in terms of communicating and hanging out. And it was just sort of like, what a relief. What a relief. And then the gig the next day after that, the gig went great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
I never played better than I played on Going Going Gone, the Dylan song that night. And Maddie Wiener went on and killed it. Nimesh Patel ging an, Kingfish ging an, Bacon war da, Jimmy Vivino, all those. It was just, it was great. And I felt really good about it for about a day. And then I saw the video and I'm like, ugh, I screwed up that lyric.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Oh man, I didn't, I wasn't totally right on that song. And then it just started picking at it. But I did have a day or two of just feeling good about it. So that's nice. Okay, so here we go. Jesse Eisenberg, A Real Pain, the film, is now playing in theaters. Jesse is the writer, director and co-star of the film. And this is me talking to Jesse.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Hi, Backmarket hier. Die mit der erneuerten Technik, die dich weniger kostet. Wie dieser Laptop. Er kann alles, was ein Laptop so können muss. Schreiben, zocken, streamen, surfen, inkognito surfen. Einfach alles, was ein brandneuer Laptop kann. Aber der hier ist deutlich günstiger als neu. Denn er ist nicht neu. Er ist von Profis auf Herz und Nieren geprüft.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Fitter Akku und 12 Monate Garantie inklusive. Er ist professionell erneuert. Und er macht nur Pause, wenn du eine brauchst. Gönn dir ein Downgrade. Backmarket.
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Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Als wir über Animationen gesprochen haben, hat er mir geschrieben, dass wir beide Lex Luthor waren. I don't know how connected you are to animation, but I'm doing that thing and I literally didn't even know really what it was. It was Super Pets or something. Right, right, right. And I certainly had no idea what the reach of it could possibly be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And I'm just sort of like, you just go to a place and you record the thing and you go home. Right. And then all of a sudden people are like, oh, dude.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
But you're also detached from that process. The process isn't the same. Mm-hmm. I mean, I think, like, when you're doing the voiceover, you can muster up the emotion. And, you know, some people are more natural than others. I'm having a hard time watching that. You know, because, like, I seem to be the only one that did a voice. Like, Sam Rockwell's just talking like himself.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
If that means anything to you, it's a good watch. It's a tight movie. I'll get this out of the way, too. It's fine. This week I'm at Largo in Los Angeles on Friday, December 13th for a comedy and music show. We're going to play some songs and have some comics and I'll do some comedy and some singing. Then I'm in Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. I'll be in Napa.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Craig's basically kind of like himself. Got it. And I'm like, hey, what's going?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
You know what I mean? But it is straining. Of course. But yeah, you don't feel connected to it because you're not even part of it. They're like, I went over there today and they're like, everyone's excited. We've been working a year and a half on this. I'm like, I don't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
Really? Yeah. So you've been through it all with New York. I mean, would you get that place for a nickel? I mean, 20 years ago it wasn't that cheap.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1598 - Jesse Eisenberg
And she waited because she didn't want to break the law.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
That's cool. It's something I started doing, and I generally just... Sit here for a while with a riff and work it out. And then just lay it down with no real production value. Right. Just stick that mic into one of those old tube amps and play one of these fuckers. And that's where it goes. I'm no genius, but I've got some... That looks like a Telecat. Is that a Telecat?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, there's a Tele there. That Tele is a great one. I finally settled on a couple of guitars. I don't collect and I've been given a lot of guitars. But I finally settled on two that I really dig. And over a period of being obsessed with these old amps, I finally found one that I dig. And I think I'm good. Now I just have to unload some. So you got a Tele and what else there?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
The Tele is a Tele, I think they're called a Tele Deluxe. It's like a Keith Richards guitar. That's a reissued Strat there from the custom shop that they reliqued. That thing forward facing is a 1960 Les Paul Junior. Wow. Was ich liebe. Der Junior ist eine leitere Gitarre, oder? Es ist eine leitere Gitarre und es hat das 1P90 drin, sodass es ziemlich dreckig werden kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Du hast ein bisschen Range drin. Du bekommst das New York Doll-Geräusch oder wenn du in einen großen Amp pluggen willst, kannst du das Leslie West-Geräusch bekommen, aber sie reinigen sich. Leslie West, Mann. Ja, Mann. Heavy Cat, literally, aber großartig. Ich weiß, ich habe ihn nur letztens gehört. Er ist wie eine Macht, mit der man verletzt wird. Ich glaube, er ist vergessen worden.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
He has his PhD in Italian Renaissance Art History and he's publishing his first book. Ja, das ist der Kerl. Das ist ein multitalentierter, ständig interessierter, intelligenter Kerl, der sich nicht nur in einem Trailer befindet, auf dem er auf dem Robotsuit aufsteht. Und er hat auch schon ein bisschen mit Showbiz unterwegs. Das war eine völlig überraschende Konversation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Well, he played one of those. That was his thing, man. The Les Paul Juniors.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I don't have a kid, so that might have been a Kamau, but certainly, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I'm thinking about this a lot and it seems like it's a focus of your life at this point. So tell me, because in this time of... Aber in diesen Zeiten... Where you have these kind of forces, culturally and politically, that there's a notion that art is important and incendiary and vital to push back.
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und ich weiß nicht, ob die Amerikaner die Art von Angst erlebt haben, wo du etwas in deinem Kopf implantierst, das auf deinem Telefon beginnt, das dir sagt, vielleicht solltest du nur deinen Mund schließen und deinen Kopf runterhalten, was mit einem Telefon einfacher ist. Aber wie rettet uns die Kunst uns, Peter?
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Das ist interessant. Das war in den 60ern? In den 50ern und 60ern, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
In diesem Jazz und Literatur-Introduktion. Ich mag den Titel. Es ist wie viele Bücher, die ich habe, die ich habe. Und ich bekomme meistens 20, 30 Bücher.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
All right, I will tell you that right now. You know, I am, I wouldn't call myself an intellectual, but I know a few things about a lot of things. I know some stuff about a lot of stuff, but it only goes so deep, you know, because I'd never really... I don't know that I ever intellectually committed myself to any one discipline. And everything was sort of like just a rabbit hole to me.
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
That was in 82 or something. Yeah, we made a special trip. I think I met my mother down there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
That's the important thing. It's one of those things where it's like, can you write free verse without not knowing how to... Ja, er kann alles machen.
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And at some point in a rabbit hole, you reach a ledge or a place to hang on. You realize, I'm just going to stop here. I can't go any deeper. And this is where I'm going to be comfortable with where I am now and slowly make my way back up again. I'll be in Grand Rapids, Michigan coming to GLC Live at 20 Monroe on Friday, April 11th. That's next Friday.
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
It's interesting that the arc from Giotto to... To Rothko is it complete deconstruction of narrative.
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Es in den Kontext zu stellen. Genau. Okay, das ist ein interessanter Ort, um zu beginnen. In dem Sinne, dass meine Frage ist, dass du in einem Zeitraum, in dem es keinen Kontext gibt, Ja, genau. Especially when the media is coming at you so fast that you can cut everything else out. Yeah, yeah, no, we have the delivery system right here and we fucking annihilate our brains every morning.
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
That's right. So my question, like in terms of, well, it's not even a question necessarily you can answer, but it's just something I think about, you know, when I... Well, it's funny, because I'm doing this bit now that's starting to work. I'm talking about when he flipped through reels on the phone. And the bit I'm doing is, I watched a drainage pipe unclog itself for a minute and a half.
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Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und es fühlte sich nicht nach Wartezeit an. Das ist meditativ, Mann. Ich weiß, aber es ist auf meinem Telefon. Und es ist da für einen Grund. Es bringt mich, um meine Aufmerksamkeit für eine Minute und eine halbe zu halten, mit all dem anderen Garbage, das durchgeht. Aber dann habe ich gesagt, so wie mein Gehirn funktioniert, ist das es. Das ist, was Kunst ist, Mann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Weil Kunst keine Fragen beantwortet. You know, it asks them, you know. And so now I'm like, what is that coming out of that pipe? Is that a private house? Who are those people? This is poetry. There's so much there, you know. But, you know, my struggle is, if I go sit at the Rothko or I listen to people talk, you know, I'm talking to you or if I'm at the gym today, I got a guy to talk.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Two treadmills over telling another guy about how his wife fucked around on him. And it's like there's a human connection to all of it that once we get out of the visceral human connection of things, which I think most people are out of, you know, how do we have community? But these aren't questions for you. These are just the ones I'm fucking with in my head.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And then in Traverse City, Michigan, I'll be at the City Opera House on Saturday, April 12th. In Los Angeles, hier in L.A. I'm at Dynasty Typewriter, Monday, April 14th, Saturday, April 26th, and Tuesday, April 29th. Those are all at 7.30 p.m. Gonna do Largo in L.A. Got an 8 p.m. show on Tuesday, April 22nd.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Oh ja, okay, das war es. Giesing, ich sollte das kennen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ja, ich meine, ich glaube, du hast recht. Aber ich denke nicht, dass sie es jemals bekommen hätten. Ich habe mich nur darüber beschäftigt, wenn es sich um das kommt, weil ich ein bisschen in den Jazz eingegangen bin. Ich höre, was du über Kunst sagst und ich verstehe diesen Kontext. And where we started was, how does it make an impact?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Okay, so if you put it into context and appreciate it, but I'm just talking about, you know, the power of art and, you know, whether or not I'm missing what's going on now or does it have any power still? So, like, when I sit in the Rothko Chapel, I'm like, this is something people should do. You take this in, right?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And if I listen to jazz and you realize, 99.5% of human beings don't even know this shit. And these guys were fucking astronauts. So, you know, like, you know, what is the impact, man? You know, how do we facilitate, how do we elevate the culture in a expansive way if all we do is sit and take in this garbage from our phone?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Certainly there's some music or some movies that do it, you know, occasionally, but, you know, I'm just worried about... All of us untethered creatives who are now being kind of held down by our own minds in what is a genuine authoritarianism. How do we keep people still churning away? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Then coming in for the home stretch, I'm in Toronto, Vermont, New Hampshire, and then Brooklyn for my HBO special taping at the Bam Harvey Theater on May 10th. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all of my dates. Und Links to Tickets. I believe those Vermont shows are definitely sold out. Toronto is getting close. There are two shows there. New Hampshire, some tickets.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And Trump just closed down the Kennedy Center so he could run Broadway shows and Christian acts. So, yeah, he knows the playbook. So like, you know, but how does that look at, you know, in the big picture? How does art get censored? How does, you know, it gets defunded? It gets, you know, the platforms don't integrate it, you know, like it's a different time trying to adjust to it, you know?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And, you know, I'm a guy that, you know, even if I don't want to go to art, like I go to Houston, I'm going to go to the Rothko Chapel because I know...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Every time I sit before that stuff or every time I take in a movie masterpiece or I listen to a jazz record of one sort or another, that as I age and as my brain changes and as I become deeper or more humble or more angry, that that thing is going to sing to me in a different way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, well, it's just that that is for me, you know, what defines genius is that you can go back to their work at different points in your life and have a completely different experience every time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I think that the HBO taping must be getting close to sold out. But we're coming in for landing, folks. And I'm still sitting on about an hour and a half that I've been told I can do 70 minutes. I got an extension. I got a time extension. I got some time added. Well, you know, End Times Fun was 73 minutes, I think. There's something about... No one's doing hours anymore. All right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ja, sicher. Du nimmst Freiheit weg. Du nimmst es weg, wenn dein Gehirn weiser ist. Es gibt eine Dämpfe, die passiert, die vorher nicht da war. Es könnte relativ zu deinem emotionalen Zustand oder zu dem, was du gelernt hast oder zu dem, was du verletzt hast. Aber, du weißt, etwas geht immer tiefer. Ich glaube, es ist Freiheit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ich vertrete definitiv ihre Freiheit, weil du sitzt und schaust oder hörst zu einem freien Arschloch. Ja. Ja, das ist definitiv ein Teil davon. Dieser Typ war da draußen und jetzt bin ich halb da. Ich war nur ein Viertel davon da, als ich das vor 20 Jahren gesehen habe, aber jetzt bin ich halb da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
All right, well, I'm not a big vacation guy, but maybe that's the vacation. I think you gotta go to Venice, man. So, now let's take it back, because, you know, you've been in some movies that were kind of cultural, you know, Ja. Ja. Ja. Also 16 Jahre im Theater in New York und ich habe dich mit Tracy Ladson gelesen, aber niemand bringt den Theater in New York, Mann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Toll, ich meine, für mich auch. Er ist der Tolle. Ja, genau. Yeah, you know, he's very aware of the compromises he made because of his, you know, fiscal irresponsibility. But when it comes down to it, you know, he's like, he's an artist. Yes. He's not just a working actor.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Now tell me, what was the moment of... Was war die Katharsis, dass du nie genug genug sein wirst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
You know, 43 is the new 60. I don't know when the fuck that happened. But like people are churning. I think it's YouTube primarily and self-production primarily that you're not you don't adhere to these things. You don't have to. And I get it. But I mean, what isn't isn't that the job? You're going to do an hour. I'm doing an hour. That's what you're working towards. An hour, not 34 minutes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und er ärgert mich. Warum? Er ärgert dich? Ja. Ja. Es gibt etwas über seinen Swagger und seine Hat. Aber ich verstehe seinen Platz. Aber ich bin kein Wetterreport-Person. Aber in einer leisen Art und Weise, die Transition von... Das ist wie ein flüssiges Herz. Das ist es. Und ich nehme auch den Jack Johnson-Rekord.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I was Coltrane. I can't say it's hack. No, no, I mean, but most of those people are guilty of what you had that moment with that DP. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und Herbie da drüben? Herbie. Das Rekord ist für mich so, dass es alles von hier kommt. Irgendeine Ambientmusik, Und Brian Eno, Velvet Underground abgesehen, aber der Raum, den er erzeugt... Ich bin nicht so sicher, dass Velvet Underground von ihm kommt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I mean, that's like a middle act running the light. Come on, man. Let's do it. Let's do it old school. Let's do it big dick style. Let's do it with some push and some swagger. Come on. All right, maybe I went a little over the top with the big dick thing. I'm just saying that. Put the hour together. So that's what I'm trying to do. Look, man, I'm just trying to do my job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, well, I mean, you got to at some point get the gifts and put them up front as opposed to liabilities. True, but a lot of cats don't do that. No, I know you can't hold on that forever because then you're just going to repeat it. Yeah. Yeah, no, it takes a while, you know, to go like, alright, well, let's focus on the good things. Yes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
How am I who I am in a good way that I can give them credit for? Yeah, so you depoliticize your folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
So when you're playing horn, you gotta do the drugs?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Like, because, you know, Normies are never gonna get it. And even if you tell them the story, it's not gonna help your case. They're gonna be appalled.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, that's right. And that's the comedy of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
War das Bill Espers? War das die American Academy?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
So you're hanging out, you're dealing with Ray because he's workshopping it too and he's there or what?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
All right, just get off my back. I'm just trying to do my job. So I was happy to see some people took my advice, it seems, or at least I inspired them when I was talking about because so much horrible shit is going on at such a pace politically that maybe you just make a sign that says, Please just stop. This is crazy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Du, als ich gelernt habe, dass die Szene am Anfang von The Godfather, wo er mit The Undertaker spricht, dass diese Katze nur da war. So that fucking cat will for whatever reason climbed up on Brando. I know, man. And he's just like, you think that they... You think that guy doesn't know what to do in a room?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
What a gift. Sweet smell of success. You know, I became sort of obsessed. Didn't Elia Kazan, he did Face in the Crowd, didn't he? Yes. Yeah, just watch that again. How did he get that out of Andy Griffith?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Hast du jemals diesen komischen Film gesehen? Ich habe mich mit diesem sehr späten Kazan-Film beschäftigt, den niemand weiß. Das war sein Sohn-Skript. Und sie haben es im Haus in Connecticut gedreht. Es heißt The Visitor.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Many variations, but I guess a couple of people went out on the day before yesterday, on Saturday, on April 5th, and they sent me pictures of their signs that were based on my protest message. Please just stop. This is crazy. This ongoing apocalyptic farce. God damn it. I wish it wasn't real. Oh my God. But I'm preoccupying myself with many different things. Do you know what I'm saying?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Because it was like, it was almost like an attempt, you know, it looks like it was shot, you know, on a very low budget and it was a very... Of the Time is a very 70s movie. Existential weird fucking business. It was the same story that Casualties of War came out of. It was like the sequel to De Palma's Casualties of War when those guys come find that motherfucker. When did you see it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
How long ago? Not long. Vor einem Jahr. Ich werde es noch einmal sehen, weil ich es noch nie gesehen habe. Ich habe die Biografie von Kazan bekommen. Ich bin ein bisschen überrascht. Ich wollte herausfinden, was die Geschichte war. Ich glaube, sie haben das Haus erschossen. Sie haben es erschossen. Ja. Aber anscheinend ist das Haus in Unruhe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ich habe mit einigen Leuten gesprochen, die die Familie kennenlernen. Ich weiß nicht. Ich bin einfach überrascht mit der Dunkelheit dieses Films. Es scheint ein Outlier für ihn zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, real history, man. Ja. Real old school Jewish socialist. What a compassionate dude, though, man. Great. Yeah. And then when do you, like, how does, because I mean, like, I remember the adventures of Buckley Bonsai. Oh yeah?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Well, you know what I remember? And it's always in my head on a fairly regular basis, wherever you go. There you are.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Well, it's kind of an amazing... I guess you would call it a cult movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, I always wonder about that. Every time I talk to actors, I'm like, you still hang out with those guys? And they never do.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I mean, this conversation, man, with Peter Weller. Man, we're going deep, man. He's an art historian. Art historian. I minored in art history in college. Yeah, I went to college and I thought about things. I didn't just party. I was always a little too stressed out for that. A little too hungry. A little too wanting to be smarty.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ja, du sprichst von Nichols, du sprichst von Lumet, du sprichst von... Sie gaben mir Gifte, die ich nicht sprechen kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
But I could never contextualize anything because I was unable to compartmentalize. So anything I read or took in or tried to wrap my brain around was really just, it just all went in and latched onto whatever it could in my head. I was never able to say like, well, these are the parameters of your thoughts. No, sir. Not for me. No parameters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah. It's so funny when you come from speed and you do blow, it's kind of slumming.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, you had different little containers, you had a little vial, you had a little thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
A little grinder. Yeah. Yeah, I was partial to the pen cap.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Nein, du bist ein Sted. Ja, ich mache es gut. Das Einzige, was ich jetzt habe, sind diese Nikotin-Päckchen und sie sind fucking... Warst du ein Zigarettsmoker? Nein, ich war, sicher. Ja. Du? Zigaretten. Ja, ich habe auch diese gemacht. Ich mache sie immer noch. Ja, ich bin ein Nikotin-Mutterfucker. Okay. Diese Dinge, ich gehe auf und auf mit dieser Scheiße, aber ich trinke nichts mehr.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Just throw it all into the blender and let's see what happens. Same. Same is happening now. The same thing happens now. I'll give you the one that I'm kind of rolling around in my head. Like, because, you know, okay, so if you meditate, and I gave this to David Harbour too, you'll hear on that episode, me and Harbour sat down again, did the same sort of thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, they're great ones. Yeah, if I go to Canada, that's what I'd do. Get those Bolivars. You still smoke them? No, not in a while. I lost the taste for them, thank God. Okay, that's good. At some point I was just sort of like, ugh.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
War das so, als hättest du dich damit befasst? War es so, als hättest du gesagt, ich weiß nicht mehr über diesen Film?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Das ist hilfreich. Danke. Ja, du bist willkommen. Wenn du nichts daraus hast, musst du das nehmen. Ich nehme das. Okay. Lass uns über die Beziehung mit Miles sprechen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Red Dirt Marihuana? Ja, das ist da drin. Ja. Was ist es? Weißt du, wo der Junge einfach auf den Black Jazz Musiker kümmert?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Das bin ich. Was ist das für eine Geschichte? Das ist gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Philosophische, addikative, lass uns versuchen, den Sinn von uns zu machen, kind of jam session. Look forward to that. That's coming. Me and Harbor. But if you want to meditate here, I've got a little something. Maybe wake up and try this one. The death of human empathy is one of the earliest and most telling signs of a culture about to fall into barbarism. Let's say it again.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
The death of human empathy is one of the earliest and most telling signs of a culture about to fall into barbarism. That's from Hannah Arendt. So, yeah, you know, that's a nice wake up. Or you throw in a little Wilhelm Reich into that. Fascism is the frenzy of sexual cripples. That's good. Pair those up and make an equation out of it so you can see what's coming.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Name one. Well, in terms of, there's people that I go back to, like when I was a kid, you know, comedically, you know, there was some sort of truth that comics had an ability to kind of like render, you know, to distill horror.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ja, wie Lenny Bruce. und vieles, was irgendwie furchtbar war, zerstörte. Das war in mir geplant, dass es eine Art noblere Profession war, die Möglichkeit zu haben, das große Ding, das dich drückt, in irgendeiner Art und Weise, und es darzustellen, in einer Art, in der wir alle Geliebtheit bekommen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ja, weil es sich sehr, es wächst, als man älter wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ja, und ich bin ein großer Keith Richards-Typ, aber ich lasse immer Raum für ihn. Aber die Jungs, die mich definiert haben, waren diese Komedien, die ich fühlte, Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ja, ich habe ein paar von seinen Rekorden. Ja, aber es gab Momente, wo es einen Mann namens Dan Vitale gab, der ein verletzterer Typ war. Er war sober, er hatte einen Schuss auf SNL, aber er schlug es an, weil er es liebte, Schmerzen zu schlagen und zu schlagen und zu trinken. Er war nur da für einen Moment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ich habe ihn Jahre später getroffen, als er nur versucht hat, seine Scheiße zusammenzuhalten. Er ist weggegangen. Aber als soberer Typ, er hat immer einen Witz gemacht. Und er war auf der Bühne und sagte, ich habe den Boden geschlagen, Leute. Ich habe den Boden geschlagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Du weißt, wenn du im Gutter bist, hast du einen feuchten Fünften von Wacken neben dir, eine Krackpipe, und du kannst nicht wachen. Ich weiß, was der Boden ist. Und er sagt, wenn du den Boden schießt, wirst du überrascht, wie viel Gewicht dieser Vier hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Ich erinnere mich kaum an ihn, aber ich erinnere mich. Ja, er hatte nicht viel Profil und niemand wusste wirklich, wer er war. Aber er war in New York, als ich da war, nachdem ich den Wall mit Trucks da war. Oh Mann, das ist wunderschön. And there's another one around the drugs. Like, you know, Kennison, who was a monster.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Well, I mean, I did a lot of blow with that guy. Oh, you did? When I was in my early 20s. He kind of took me under his wing. See, I would have liked to have done blow with a guy. Oh, dude, it was electric, you know. But he was not a great guy. And I'm not sure that... But nonetheless, there's that bit where...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
There are certain bits like that, you know, how much give that for has, that open up a world of possibility of poetry, right? But that bit he does about Manson, you know, a lot of people remember Sam for the move to where the food is or, you know, the stuff about women. The desert. Yeah, whatever. But his bit about Manson. Das ist der fucking Bit. Das ist der fucking Bit.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Just a bunch of hateful freaks who... Can't get laid or can't keep it up or just can't do it. Coming for you. How are you? Good morning. Everything okay? But the conversation is great because we brought up people that I hadn't talked about in a while. Ernst Gombrich. Ernst Gombrich. I bet you I'm the only person in the world right now saying Ernst Gombrich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Keneson war so ein megalomaniacaler Wackjob, dass der Manson-Story, er musste Manson aufnehmen. Sorry for laughing, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
But, you know, the whole angle was like, you know, he does this bit about, there's a couple of lines in it where he, Manson, he's listening to that wide album. It's like, that fucking album, man. And he's like, you would have got the same, you would have got the same... What was it? You would have got the same message from the monkeys, you fucking idiot. Let's train to Clarksville, Whitey.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
You know... So, but he does a bit, it's on the first record, the only record.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
But he says, he's like, about the Manson murders, he goes, you know, the guy I feel sorry for is a Polish artist, Wojciech Wachowski. You know, they found this guy, he'd been stabbed like 20 times, shot twice, you know, whatever, all these injuries. He goes, you know, I'm sure this guy was standing at the door when the Manson family was leaving, going, hey, where are you going?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
You haven't stuck a chainsaw in my ass, you fucker. And then this line, this line kills me. He goes, glad to see you fuckers can handle your high. And that like just to the entire event. Was die Manzas waren, weil Sam's Warrior-Disposition um Drogen ging, war es einfach so, dass diese Arschlöcher ihre Höhen nicht bewegen konnten.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und das ist eine Art Genie, weil es einfach das gesamte Event bringt, das das Event, das die 60er-Jahre getötet hat. Es hat es getötet. Es hat es getötet. Es hat mich zu meinem Haar gekleidet. Glad to see you fuckers can handle your high. Sarcastically. And I just thought that was fucking genius.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I was assigned a book called Art and Illusion, a study in the psychology of pictorial representation. He also wrote a book, I think, about art history. But this was because I did a year-long survey class in the history of photography. And I think out of any class I ever took in my life, and I've talked about this before in different ways, that one changed my brain the most.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
So if we put this on a couple weeks, we can push it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Wow, there you go. We did it. We got somewhere. We got a lot of places. Again, his new book is called Leon Batista Alberti in Exile, tracing the path to the first modern book on painting. Hang out for a minute, will you?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Hey, neun Jahre ago this week I had my first conversation with my future bad guys partner, Mr. Wolf himself, Sam Rockwell.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Yeah, because, but not just because of the money, because the project, they're obviously offering you a lot of money.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And I could never get through that book. I still have it. You know, there's still time. I got a few of those books from college. There's still time, man. You know, I'll get to it. Art and Illusion, a study in the psychology of pictorial representation by Ernst Gombrich. Ich hatte heute einige Tiermomente. Ich habe den Runyon Canyon gehiket. Ich bin da lange nicht mehr da.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Boomer lives, Monkey in La Fonda, Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Runyon ist eine Art Entry-Level-Hike für Leute, die in die Show-Business oder Touristen kommen wollen. Du gehst einfach auf diese Helle. Es ist ein sehr berühmter Hike. Schön. Ich hätte es vergessen, wie spektakulär es ist. The views from the top of Runyonar of L.A. and Hollywood and all the way out to the ocean. It's been very clear out here and very pretty. Primo, primo L.A. weather.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And both of my flowers on either side of my door, the pots, are finally blooming at the same time. It's very aggravating. And I don't know anything about gardening or what to do about it. When one blooms and the other one isn't, then the other one blooms. It's sort of like, can't you guys get it together? Can you just flower at the same time? Is that too much to ask from you plants?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
You're right across from each other. Make it happen. But today, Kit and I hiked up Runyon with the dog. Saw a lot of people with their dogs. A lot of dogs. And I don't spend a lot of time around dogs. I'm with the more challenging animal. The cat. But dogs just do their own thing. They'll see other dogs, hey, what's up? Or they won't even acknowledge it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
They'll just be like, yeah, I'm moving ahead. Got no time to socialize. Not interested. All the different breeds. It was nice. We moved through some aggravation at the beginning. Some parking-based aggravation, which can be a relationship killer. All it takes is one, you know,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
One bad sort of morning trying to find a parking space and things can be revealed that make a relationship never the same again. The parking problem. We transcended it. Took half a hike. Anyway. So I get home and there's a dog toy on my fucking porch and out of the corner of my eye I see a coyote just come up onto the porch and take the dog toy out into my yard.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
I was going to spend some downtime tapping before something about my yard. I think it's the hedge. They feel kind of protected in here and they take a load off. Yeah, but I had set my ring camera so sensitive that primarily just to catch a coyote if I could or other wildlife and I finally got one. I see that coyote walk up and confidently take, as if it's his, the dog toy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Lock the gate! What's happening? Today I talk to Peter Weller. Now look, you know him, most people know him as Robocop and Buckaroo Banzai. He was also in Naked Lunch. That was a film based on the book by William Burroughs, done by David Cronenberg. And he was in The Sons of Anarchy. But he's also a jazz musician and interestingly an art historian.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und dann habe ich die Tür geöffnet, weil, ich weiß nicht, ein Teil von mir wollte den Kajotten fressen. Und es ging los, danke Gott. Ich hätte den Kajotten nicht fressen können. Und dann hatte ich einen Moment mit einem Quarren. Man muss manchmal mit einem Quarren checken. Sie sind überall und ich verliere sie einfach nicht. Ich verliere die Quarren überhaupt nicht. Ich nehme ihn für gewohnt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und so stoppte ich. Und da war ein Schwanz im Baum. Und er stoppte. Und wir, du weißt, wir haben das Ding gemacht, verbunden. Und das war gut. Ich habe ihm gesagt, ich habe ihm ein paar Nutzung für ihn. Aber mehr wichtig, Charlie, die Herausforderung, sich gut zu fühlen, um mein Lieblingskatt zu medizinieren, ist, es ist wirklich hoch und runter, Leute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And it makes me wonder, honestly, just who talks to more crazy people? Psychiatrists or veterinarians? Because I was crazy. I kept calling her. They put a vet tech on the phone. I want to talk to a doctor. He's listless. He's lethargic. What is it? Well, it takes a while to, you know, figure out what the dosage is. Well, what do you mean? I'm taking him off it. Man, up and down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And finally I realized that no one knows anything or even how Prozac works in cats or there's no research on it at all. And, you know, it's really just about, you know, this anxiety that has now morphed into a territorial shit show. But I just was going to take him off it and just ride it out with tranquilizing him daily when I'm gone.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And then I'm like, dude, just would you stop being so fucking whatever it is, like all or nothing like this or that. One or two, zeros and ones. Just don't. Let's figure it out. So I gave him half the dose that the doc prescribed. And he did come back to life a little bit. And I'm just going to do that. And then when I go away and I come back and I have some time at home, I'll assess again.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
And if I have to wean him off it, I'll wean him off it. The big problem is my needs from this cat. Ich habe ihn sehr gewöhnt, in einer bestimmten Art und Weise zu sein und ihn zu treffen, meine Bedürfnisse, oder zumindest mich zu verabschieden oder es herauszufinden, die beiden von uns zu navigieren. Und jetzt ist er, weißt du, wegen der Serotonin, glaube ich, seine Bedürfnisse sind weniger.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Und jetzt bin ich nur dieser furchtbare, nützliche Kerl. Wobei ich vorher zurück und zurück gegangen bin. Und jetzt bin ich, weißt du, nicht benötigt. Von meinem Katzen. Es ist verdammt schmerzhaft. Weißt du, was ich meine? Am I being, what's wrong with me? Here we go. This goes a lot of places, this conversation, and it's pretty rewarding. It was for me. This is me talking to Peter Weller.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1632 - Peter Weller
Peter's first book is called Leon Battista Alberti in Exile, tracing the path of the first modern book on painting. Yeah, that's for real. It's available May 1st. This is me talking to Peter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1606 - Adrien Brody
Nothing. And it's almost like just having the thing itself. I'm somehow going to absorb something from it. Well, that's what I realized, is that when you're reading it, it feels like you're thinking it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1606 - Adrien Brody
But you're not. No, totally. Then it's gone. It's gone. It's gone. And I have that. I have a ton of science books. Oh. Physics and all of the quantum. But I understand. And I try. And talk about a bookmark at about 10 pages in. And I'm done. You try with physics. Oh, I try with all kinds of science. I remember when I was younger, when chaos theory was. Yes, exactly. Exactly.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1606 - Adrien Brody
Genau, all that kind of shit. I gotta get that. Love it. Oh, this is fascinating. And I get the gist of it and that's sort of good enough. I have the gist of a lot of things.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Yeah, sure, the groceries, sure, wiping them down.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Weißt du, was ich ständig darüber denke, was ich wirklich nicht verstehen kann?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Es ist nur diese Idee, wenn andere Menschen Masken tragen, Menschen tragen immer noch Masken und Menschen tragen Masken vor Covid, meistens Asiaten, die vor der Kurve waren, aber wenn sie reisen, aber die Leute, die sich überrascht fühlen, wie du weißt, warum du eine Maske trägst, es ist wie, was ist die Unterschiede, die es dir macht? Ja, just shut up. Es war erstaunlich, dass es politisch wurde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Yeah, I just don't understand, like, because usually when you resent something about somebody else, it has something to do with you. So, like, in their dumb minds, it implies that you're mocking them. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I don't even, I mean, I understand it, but how do you surrender that? It doesn't matter. I just, I fester on it. Alright, so, but before you went to Canada...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Back to Canada, which, you know, I'm waiting on a PR visa and I hope I get it. Could you talk to somebody? A permanent residency? Oh, yeah. Can you put a good word in for me?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Are you thinking about coming up to Canada? Well, I want to have the option.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Ja, ich mache es auch da oben. Ich habe ein Show da oben geschaut, aber ich gehe immer nach Hause, um zu arbeiten. Aber ich finde es sehr bemerkenswert.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
But like I haven't spent I spent some time in Toronto, but I've not been up in the country like where you are. I don't think.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
So, yeah. And am I wrong in remembering? Did you were you in Costa Rica?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Because I think when you resurfaced, at least in my life, it was like Toms in Costa Rica. And I'd see clips from you in Costa Rica. I go there on vacation a lot, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
So did you find that, like I find that unless you make an effort to get off the interstate, you're not going to see anything.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I just wanted to tell you that what you're listening to is a man in Toronto in a hotel room having his second Nespresso coffee that he made with that machine. I don't want to say it twice. I'm not promoting it. Aber ich glaube, was ich sage, in einer gekodeten Art und Weise, ist, dass es kein schlechtes Hotelraum ist, wenn du die echten Nespresso-Pots hast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I grew up in Albuquerque, yeah. Okay, so have you been to Chaco?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Es ist seltsam, weil manche von ihnen nicht wirklich bemerkt sind. Und viele von ihnen sind nicht wirklich behauptet. Man kann einfach sagen, oh ja, die Kälte sind da drüben. Genau, ja. Und dann gehst du einfach. Ich war gerade auf dieser Tour, ich war gerade im Winter. Hast du nach Pecos und so gegangen? No, where's that one? In New Mexico? No, no. There's a Pecos National Monument.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I can't remember if that's, that might not be all the way back to Native Americans, but there is another one up there where they were just like, they would live in the mountain in these caves. There's one in the Cliff Dwellings in Mesa Verde, Colorado.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Organized, yeah. You can walk through the Anastazi. Wasn't it the Anastazi? I think you can go through that whole tour.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
So what was it that was connecting you to all this?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I think the big question about in terms of – maybe that's true – Ja, genau. But every once in a while a special petroglyph maker makes an Instagram video.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Weil manchmal kriegst du diese, was hast du, Knock-Off-Pots. Du willst nicht die Knock-Off-Pots, nicht so gut. Sie sehen nicht mal so schön aus. Warum ist es so, dass sie nicht so schön aussehen? Was würde es dauern, um sie so schön auszuschauen, wie die echten, die Knock-Off-Pots? Es ist Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017 Pow! I just shit my pants. Justcoffee.coop. That's a classic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Well, that's a, it's a good question about, like, because there are all those little ones. There's definitely sort of sides of rocks that are filled with stuff. So, like, I guess the question is, is this someone declaring their existence? Mm-hmm. But did you look into like the spiritual symbols or anything or why they are what they are?
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Ja. Wenn du da draußen bist. Aber auch New Mexico ist erstaunlich. Ja. Ich liebe New Mexico. Ja, da ist ein Gewicht drin. Du denkst dir, fühle ich mich, projectiere ich das, nur weil es wunderschön ist? Oder ist es fucking magisch? Ja, genau. Aber auf der gleichen Linie, du musst dir denken, als diese Triebe da draußen waren, war es noch wunderschöner.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Du hast nicht irgendwo gefahren, es gab keine Erwartungen, es war einfach so.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Yeah, that's fucking great. But when, like, You know, I kind of re-watched some of the, I watched all the Tom Green countries that they gave me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
So that was a one-off, the four episodes? A one-off thing, yeah. That was the transition? Yeah, possibly, yeah. But you didn't want to, it's not a continuing story?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
There is no end to it. That's true. No, I know. It's like day to day up there. Absolutely. You know, and I'm sorry about the chickens.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Fucking coyotes sleep in my yard here. I have a caddy over there and I think they think of it as like a lobster tank. And I'm the maitre d'. I'll take the orange one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Yeah, I think I lost a... I've been through cats that have disappeared and I've had ferals get ripped up by those coyotes. Your cats go outside here? No. At the old house where you were at, I used to let them out. It was ridiculous. I don't know how they all lived, but one of them got got. And then there was a feral cat out there, a deaf guy who couldn't hear. But he lived for years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Das ist verrückt. Aber es ist nicht verrückt, aber es ist so wunderschön da oben. Und der Appell davon ist sehr verständlich. Ich meine, ich denke darüber nach. No, it's true. And the responsibility of it, I guess like anything else, I get overwhelmed with anxiety. So I'm like, you know, what the fuck am I going to do?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Thought I'd throw that in there. Anyway, speaking of Canada, Tom Green is on the show again today. And, you know, I like Tom. And I don't always put Tom into perspective, into context, in terms of sort of what an important fella he was in the history of the media world that we live in. And, you know, I missed the whole Tom Green thing because I don't think I was the right age.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
But you pulled in the community, old friends, people that did the stuff that needs to be done in order to establish the thing. And when you watch how you handled it, you're like, oh, this is doable. If you just, you know, get the guy to build the fence. Exactly. You don't have to build the fence.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Das ist eine Frage, die ich fragen wollte. Ich wusste immer, dass es eine Unterschiede gibt zwischen einem Hühner und einem Hühner. Aber warum nicht nur ein Hühner? Ich meine, der Hühner ist ein sehr erstaunlicher Tier, den du hast. Ja, sie ist wunderschön. Es ist einzigartig und es ist so groß wie ein Hühner.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I think him and I are around the same age. And when he was doing his crazy shit, well, you know, he's actually five years younger than me. It wasn't my thing. I knew of him, but I wasn't watching MTV. As I get older, I got to be honest with you, it seems that I missed just about everything. I don't know exactly how, but I can kind of figure it out. Like, you know, I didn't watch Seinfeld.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
You know, that's the core of like mind, just the dread or the expectation. But basically it's like with any animal, you're going to, like I guess the word is anthropomorphized. You're going to project your feelings onto them. And they're sort of like, all they're responding to is your nervousness or they know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Because like, you know, you're kind of, you know, balls out, whatever. Generally, the history of your expression is like, blech. Ja, ja. Und jetzt, aber das ist auch präsent, aber es fordert fast Chaos, weil das, wo man sich komfortabler fühlt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Aber das ist so spezifisch, dass es nur eine Dynamik in deinem Gehirn ist, wo du realisierst, ich habe nur, weil ich weiß nicht, dass du, fühlst du dich überhaupt wirklich, dass du das Raum in deinem Gehirn vorher erkannt hast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I didn't watch The Simpsons. I didn't watch... I just missed fucking everything. Musically, I missed most things. I missed everything that was going on in New York in the early aughts. And I was fucking there for part of it. I just missed everything. Und der Grund ist der Grund, dass ich nicht weiß, ob ich zu spät für die Party oder nicht, aber der Grund, dass ich Dinge später aufnehmen muss,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
That you weren't in control of your horse. Yeah, exactly. Maybe. But it is kind of interesting though that before, because I start to think about Even when I've had this thing where I'm watching everyone on YouTube, anyone who's talking. Now everyone's become a broadcaster of some kind. And there's a zone of energy that you live in when you do that. There's almost a mania.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And now that people watch influencers and that they think this is the tone you exist in, this sort of balls out kind of like, I'm I'm talking now and this is what's happening. It's a very specific part of the spectrum, but I think people are doing it in regular life now, that there's this mania that happens. Und es gibt viele andere Menschen, die nicht so kommunizieren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Aber wenn ich über all das, was du gemacht hast, denke, dass der Chaos, den du erschaffen hast... Ich weiß nicht warum, aber deine Eltern sahen sich sehr leistungsfähig aus. Ich glaube, ich war in einer Rebellion. Ja, es gibt das, aber es gibt auch Komfort und Chaos. Wenn du diese Zone kreierst, ist es ein echter Buzzer. Weil du nicht weißt, was wirklich passieren wird. Ja, ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Es ist lustig, dass... Ich weiß nicht, es gibt eine Art Persönlichkeit. Ich bin kein Vater, du bist kein Vater. Und, äh, right? You don't have kids. Nope, nope, nope.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
No, I know, but it's part of that realization of time and life. I think because it took me so long to kind of land. I always just assumed that everyone was my peer in our business after a certain point. And now there are these kids who are huge and they're like 40. And I'm like, what the fuck? What have I been doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
ist, weil ich alles, was ich fucking tue, ist Stand-Up-Comedy. Das ist alles, was ich gemacht habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Das, was ich bemerkt habe, ist, dass wenn du eine bestimmte Persönlichkeit bist und ein Kind bist und du nicht ein Kriminal bist, aber sie wissen, dass sie dich nicht kontrollieren können und sie sind überrascht, was du wirst, dass es eine Distanz gibt, dass es eine Anerkennung gibt. Sie müssen immer noch Eltern sein, aber sie sind einfach so, als würde er etwas tun. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Ich wanderte herum während des Tages, schrieb Dinge hin und dann am Abend, ich sitze in Comedy-Clubs und die meiste Zeit, ich war nicht in einer Situation, in der ich ein DVR oder ein Videokassett-Player hatte, also ich war einfach nicht, für Jahre, wenn viele Dinge passiert sind, ich habe nicht, ich habe nicht mal einen fucking TV-Set.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
You know, assess my own feelings about it, that I think just even the fact of like living out in the woods or having the farm and being alone up there, that, you know, there's just no denying on a cultural and in every way that Canada is a safer place than here. And it makes a big difference in your peace of mind and in your engagement with other people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
In New York City, when I lived there in the late 80s, I didn't even have a fucking TV. I don't know how the hell, whatever. But I missed it all. But now, thank God, because it's all available all the time on your hand, you can just pull up on your fucking phone or wherever and you can catch up. You can reintegrate. You can fill in those blank spaces of years in your head. Also, außer Covid.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Also hast du dich mit ihm wirklich auf eine Frequenz eingeladen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Ich spreche darüber, auch während... Ja, genau. And you can feel it immediately. I mean, now it's like it's the relationship now between the two countries. You know, it's sort of it kind of illustrates exactly, you know, what the difference is, is because now Canadians are pissed off and afraid. And that's how we live down here all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I just hope it doesn't pollute the psychic environment up there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And that's like almost all of it. Because now, yeah, with the carry laws everywhere, you just have to exist in a world where, like you said, that guy doesn't look like he... He's official in any way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Yeah, it's just, we're right at the edge of a strange lawlessness. But I also think the combination between guns and socialized healthcare, it makes a big difference. Oh yeah. Because you can always go to the doctor and you know in your heart and mind that it's not going to bankrupt you. And then you know someone's probably not going to shoot you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Das hat uns alle verdammt. Ich bin wirklich noch nicht korrekt, zeitweise. Und ich denke, ich habe das vorher gesagt. Wegen Covid, denke ich, ich sollte 58 Jahre alt sein und nicht 61. Aber das ist meine Meinung. Aber ich habe es alles verpasst und ich habe Tom verpasst. Aber, du weißt, ich hatte ihn auf dem Show. Und generell, wenn ich jemanden auf dem Show habe.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Das war ein Wunder, als ich ihn gesehen habe. Es ist eine interessante Sache. Ich denke auch, dass die Gemeinschaft, die in der Regel gebaut werden muss, aber ein Farm ist, dass man sich mit der Gemeinschaft engagieren muss, weil man Hilfe benötigen wird. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And you have people to do the specific things that you don't know how to do, or at least show you how to do it, and they come out and do it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Ja, ich gehe rein, ich schaue rein, ich erlebe alles, was sie gemacht haben, so viel ich kann. Und ich schaue zurück auf Tom's Sachen, du weißt, die Dokumentar über ihn und einfach, wie fucking Punkrock und fucking nuts er war. Und der Fakt, dass ich denke, dass er, du weißt, kind of invented Eric Andre und sort of invented the modern video podcast, which was, you know, hijacked by, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Aber das ist das Ding, wenn du im Show-Business bist, ist dein ganzes Leben auf dem Weg, eine Illusion zu verkaufen. Einer von dir selbst oder eine Idee für diese Fiktion, die jeder sehen kann. Und das ist dein Leben. Und, weißt du...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
It seems kind of boundless in possibility, but it requires you engaging with this business to deliver the goods, whereas their life is, you know, whatever they're farming, it is community-centric, and this is the life. We're going to go do the hay. There's no other thing like we just do that as a hobby. No, no.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
It's like this is it, and there must be some sort of transition to a life like that where your alone time becomes much different. Yeah. Weil ich mir vorstelle, dass du immer noch aufhörst, und du denkst wahrscheinlich an Ideen und schreibst Dinge runter und auf den Mikrofon und was auch immer. Aber es gibt eine Art von Hinweis, dass du die Langheit davon bemerkst.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
You know, the rest of them is very funny. There's this funny doc out there, kind of one of those underground docs about comedy and where it's at now. And some of it is about, you know, the collapse of comedy and the rise of the podcast and how Joe Rogan kind of took Tom Green's idea. And it's actually in the doc.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I mean, how do you look at, you know, what interests you now versus kind of the adrenaline that drove your entire life previous? I mean, is there a part of you, like, I remember, I don't remember when we did it, but it's funny because I think about it and I talk about it sometimes.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I can explain myself for that. Well, no, but here's my side of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
War es Alonzo Bowden vielleicht? Ja, ja, ja. Aber ich erinnere mich, wenn du diese Panel-Schläge machst, siehst du, wer die anderen Gäste sind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
He's gonna take over the whole thing. I'm not gonna be able to get a joke out. And I thought, maybe it'll be alright. But you come out within three minutes. You're in the fish tank. I'm in the fish tank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And all the other comics are like, well, now it's about that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Aber er ist in der Lage, den Moment auf Tom Green's Podcast zu isolieren, wo Joe ein Gast war und die Idee hatte, es zu machen. Und dann dieser Typ, der es gemacht hat. Niemand weiß, wer es macht. Niemand weiß, wer diese Dinge macht. Er hat ein paar von ihnen gemacht. Sie sind ein bisschen klug. Sie sind ein bisschen wie Adam Curtis, den ich mag. Aber mehr spezifisch und mehr strukturiert.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Es ist so lustig, Mann, weil ich ihn in diesem Haus interviewt habe. Ja. Er kam da hoch. Bevor ich das hier hochgelegt habe, kam er in das Haus. Es war kinder lustig, weil du dein ganzes Leben kinder liebst einen Mann. Und auch für mich und meine Generation, das war der Show, den du aufnehmen wolltest. Und ich habe es ein paar Mal gemacht.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Aber du weißt, wenn du einen täglichen Show hostest, ist ihre Erinnerung auf nichts. Es ist einfach, sie erinnern sich nicht so viel. Ja, ja. Aber etwas Lustiges ist passiert. That was the best moment I had with Letterman was odd because I was at the comedy store one night on a produced show, a comic produced show in the main room.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And then the manager comes in back and he says, you know, Letterman's here, you know. And my first thought was like, this was only a few years ago. I was like, am I in trouble?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
What is going on? He had no show or anything. He had just come because someone brought him down. He wanted to see me. And then we're on the back porch or the back patio there at the Comedy Store and I'm just talking to him. Wow, that's cool. And he's being very complimentary. That is so cool. And I said something and he laughed. And it's that laugh that we grew up with.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
The laugh that you always wanted your whole life. And I'm just on the back patio at the fucking Comedy Store and he's laughing. And it was like, oh my God. I just made Letterman laugh like that.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Er ist sehr süß in diesen Tagen. Er ist ein anderer Typ.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I think he might have tried. You know what I mean? But that's sort of where you're at, too. You're kind of like, you know, you have to, you're up against that. It's weird that we get to a certain age and have such an impact on so many generations. I thought it was interesting in the doc about how Eric Andre at least gives you credit for inventing him. Ja, es war cool. Er war sehr cool darüber.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Und auch habe ich einige andere random, selbstproduzierte Dokumente gesehen, wo der Mann, der das gemacht hat, dich mit dem Kreieren des Videopodcasts kritisiert hat.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Yeah, it was all audio. I mean, Carolla was around and Pardo and a few other people. But we stay in audio because that's what we do. But the video thing, I don't think we could have assumed that the ability to do video podcasts would actually hijack and overwhelm mainstream show business.
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Episode 1640 - Tom Green
But there's a point in the doc. It's called How Comedy Became a Dystopian Imperial Hellworld. It's on YouTube. Comedy Czar. How Comedy Became a Dystopian Imperial Hellworld. Don't know who the guy is. I believe he's Canadian, the guy who made the doc. But...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
He sort of cites Tom Green as the originator and then he speculates or he fantasizes about a world where Tom Green would be the biggest podcaster in the world and not Joe and what an amazing world that would be. But anyway... Tom is back and he's kind of settled. He's a little, he's a bit of a settled man now in a way.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And you had to sort of, you had a vision that you had to then engage with these other people. We did a streaming show for Air America in 2008. Sieben oder acht. Und es gab wirklich keine Streaming-Audienz. Ja, ja. Aber wir haben viel Geld gespart, um ein Website zu schaffen, wo wir Videos jeden Tag uploaden können. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Aber es gab immer noch, ich denke, YouTube war wahrscheinlich ziemlich jung, aber es gab einfach keine Audienz dafür. Und jetzt ist das die ganze Audienz. Ja. Und manchmal verpasst du dein Timing daran. Ja, absolut. We did a streaming show, but no one could stream. The pioneers leave with arrows in their back. That's a good one.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
But do you ever find, how do you deal with, it looks like in Canada, when you're doing stand-up, Ja, ja, es ist ehrlich gesagt, es ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Right, but also because you're kind of in a way, even though you did stand up early on, you have the chops, but now the pressure is not to be crazy. You're just sort of reflecting on your life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
He just did like four episodes of this mini kind of series of him moving to the farm. He's moved back here to Canada and he bought a farm. Again, he was on the show years ago on episode 360 in 2013. Und jetzt hat er dieses Ding, Tom Green Country. Es sind vier Episoden, eine Doku-Serie. Und es geht um ihn, die Farm zu kaufen und auf sie zu leben. Und es ist ein bisschen süß.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Well, also it's like there's a kind of mature self-ownership of it. Like, you know, I think that we all kind of do our crazy shit and do our youth in a certain way. But as you get older, you realize like, well, that was just me kind of like. Yeah, I think it's like...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And also the combination of just aging and then having gone through the cancer thing, you know, you've got two, you know, that perspective came on you kind of, you know, in a shocking way that you survived the cancer thing and that kind of reconfigured your sense of life and now it's just, you've lived and now this is a lighter sort of acceptance of the
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Er hat einen Comedy-Special. Er hat einen Comedy-Special. Tom Green, I Got a Mule. Und er hat noch ein anderes Ding. Das ist Tom Green, der Dokumentar, den er gedreht hat. He's kind of an important guy. And it was good to see him again. And now he goes everywhere with his dog Charlie, who was in studio. And it was a great conversation. So that's happening.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
All right, well, good seeing you. I'm glad you're well. Nice to meet Charlie. Yeah, she's feeling better. Look, she's looking at you. Yes, she is. All right, Tom. Have a good, safe trip. Thanks, Mark. Das ist toll, dass ich ihn gesehen habe. Ihr könnt den Special, seinen Doktor und die Serie Tom Green Country auf Prime Video sehen. Haltet euch einen Moment.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Folks, if you have a WTF Plus subscription, you can go back and listen to the first time Tom was on. It was all the way back in 2013. I've been married twice, man. They were both three and a half years.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
That's happening soon, if you're listening to this now. It's the last week of my tour. Man, am I shredding my brain? Am I just fucking trying to... Oh my God. I'm in Burlington, Vermont tonight at the Vermont Comedy Club. Two shows tonight and then one show tomorrow. I'm in Portsmouth, New Hampshire at the Music Hall on Wednesday. This Wednesday, May 7th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Boomer lives. Monkey. Fonda. Cat Angels everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And then Brooklyn, New York at the Bam Harvey Theater for my HBO special taping this Saturday, May 10th. Two shows there. I don't know what's available. I don't think there's tickets for that Vermont run available. There might be a few for New York. Don't know. Maybe not. I know there's a few for Portsmouth. So if you're anywhere within... A couple hours of Portsmouth and you need to see me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
That one you could probably get into. There's a lot of tickets sold. Listen to me. The insecurity speaking up. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. There's definitely a lot of tickets sold. But yeah, so I've been up here in Canada and traveling up here was pretty easy. And again, you get that tremendous sort of load of... You get the MAGA load off your back.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Everything just... Your body relaxes, your brain relaxes, the pace changes. This theater is crazy. The small theater at the Elgin. It seats about 800 or 900 and there's fake leaves everywhere. Apparently...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I don't know, when they found this theater, they had knocked out a wall or something years ago and they didn't realize there was a theater in there and it had all this shrubbery growing, these vines growing around the whole building. I'm sure there's a documented history of this. I don't know. I'm just kind of going off something I have listened to somebody telling me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Just like we do at WTFpod.com. Check out squarespace.com slash WTF for a free trial and then use offer code WTF to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. That's squarespace.com slash WTF. Offer code WTF. All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, nicks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast, WTF. Welcome to it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
And it was so unique that they just kind of redid it with fake leaves. Very interesting theater, but it's probably the best one I've played up here. But I told the audience, I said, you know, I definitely am kind of happy for y'all, for Sie lachen. Ich glaube nicht, dass ich ernsthaft war. You know, take it for what it is. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
This is Mental Health Awareness Month and we're definitely getting better in dealing with mental health issues out in the open. It's one of the things I've been open about since the start of this show and I hope it helps. But there's still work to be done. 26% of Americans who participated in a recent survey say they've avoided seeking mental health support due to fear of judgment. Vielen Dank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Sprechen wir über Mentalität. It's kind of amazing that at least I know at this point that when I'm converging on a big thing, especially something like a comedy special or something that requires all of me and I am the one doing it, my brain really does everything it can to kind of make it much more difficult for me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I just start spinning and figuring out things to obsess on, beating the shit out of myself, thinking I'm horrible for any... Ich frage mich um meine Appearance, um meine Kleidung, um das Material, ob ich noch lebendig sein will. Ich frage mich, ob ich krank werde, ob ich meine Erinnerung verlieren werde. Ich frage mich, ob ich mich erinnern werde. ... about the work. You know, I feel ready.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I'm almost too ready. Last night I did one set that was just tight and quick and focused, no beats. And I realized on the last special that I kind of did that too, that there wasn't a lot of kind of... I've got to... Correct my brain and not let that voice.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
It's really a struggle between the voices of who I've become and what I am professionally and the obstacles I've overcome in my life and in my mind versus that guy who's been with me Since I was in high school, that just says, you suck, you awkward fuck. I mean, you just like, you're just going to make everyone uncomfortable. You're going to start crying.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
I mean, you know, it's just, the list is kind of insane. And I just have to keep the dominant present me, you know, focused and functioning. So that's my process. What's your process? Huh? So look, Tom Green, It was great to see him. It's a nice little ending to this conversation. All three of his new projects are on Prime Video.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
This is the Tom Green documentary, the comedy special I Got a Mule, and the docu-series Tom Green Country. And this is me reconnecting with Tom.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
Es scheint so zu sein, dass ich es nicht mit Katzen kann.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
What is happening? What is going on? I am newly awake. I am on the road. I am in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I have just woken up and I'm looking out at these massive towers. massive towers of from what i understand may or may not be occupied apartment buildings but I did two shows last night. Today is Sunday. You'll be listening to this Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday or maybe years from now.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1640 - Tom Green
At the Whole Foods, because I just couldn't stand being in-house.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Are you going to play some music? No, I'm a comic. Oh, you're a comic too? I'm going to speak to my frightened fans and try to make them feel better about the state of the world in my dark way. So you're just now kind of like something settling down in your mind that enables you to start to enjoy life or look at where you live?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, I practice meditation. Really? Yeah, I'm a long time practitioner. Really? Of the original, like TM kind of deal? No, well, that's not the original. Okay. But we'll forgive you.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Let me rephrase it. The original New Age Hollywood one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
No. No? Old school? No, no. Me and Buddha, we're just like that. Oh, yeah?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah. Now, I like the whole Buddhist idea. It seems to make sense to me. Philosophy. Yeah, just, you know, accept the big nothing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
A big, it's a way of living to eliminate suffering. Now, how long have you been practicing that? I don't know, 30, 40 years? Ich sitze nur und meditiere. 20 Minuten? Nein, nein. Manchmal länger. Kannst du da hin?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und ist es großartig? Weil ich versuche, und dann, an einem Punkt, gehe ich so, ah, fuck. Versuche es wieder. Das ist alles, was es braucht. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Nur um die Zeit zu investieren. Ja. Ich meine, du kannst das tun, du kannst die Zeit investieren in das, oder du kannst einfach gehen und Distraktion und Schmerzen managen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I didn't know how it was going to go. I never know what to expect. It doesn't seem to be a job that people really want to do anymore. But God damn it, if he didn't just nail the fuck out of it. He was so good. I can't even explain it. I'm excited. I had watched him. He came on my show at Largo last week to run some of the jokes. I remember asking if he was going to do a musical number.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, well, that's... Which is what we all do anyway. Well, that seems to be my creative outlet. Oh, well... Managing distress and suffering is my job.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You can... Yeah, but it doesn't have to be you. Yeah, that's true. You know, the whole idea is to not particularly identify with thought.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich fühle mich, dass ich es tun kann. Ich habe es versucht, während der Pandemie. Ich fühle mich, dass ich es lösen kann. Jemand kann es.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja, und ich fühle mich, dass ich es gut mache. All it takes is a little practice and before you know it, before you know it, you start seeing things that used to be an irritation or an annoyance to you fall away and you go, hmm, that's weird. I didn't do anything other than not doing anything. Und du lernst Dinge über dich selbst.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Meditation, und dann gehen wir davon aus, ist eine Observation des Geistes, der Natur des Geistes. Und letztendlich ist es das Studieren, wie das Geist war, bevor wir mit Gedanken identifiziert wurden. And then started internalizing that. Right, right, right. As being real. Right, and that's what kind of built us.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It's a construct. Right. So you get past the construct, get a little peace of mind, and then you're able to... And freedom. Freedom. Real freedom.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, and it lasts all day. And it lasts all day and through any administration.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
They're all just asleep. They're all just in a narrative playing out this stupid-ass drama. It's a very aggravated, angry sleep that they're in. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I don't know who said it, but somebody said, Americans get the democracy that they deserve. And so... Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
This too shall pass, as we said. This too shall pass. So am I wrong in assuming that acting saved your life?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, if you mean, did it give me something to do, because I wasn't qualified for anything else. Well, I mean, you were pretty young, right? I started very young. I started in middle school and realized that I had a gift. But I didn't really pay much attention to it. And then I met these two ladies when I was... My last year in high school, I left home. I went to the...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Wichita High School South in Kansas. I wanted to play football. That was not in the cards because I kept falling asleep in my business class. And so she threw me out and I went to the counselor. Fabulous woman, flaming red hair. Her name was Lorena Stone. Sie hat dein Leben verändert. Sie hat mein Leben verändert. Es ist nicht seltsam, dass es nur eine Person ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja, sie hat mich zu einer Dramatik- und Sprachklasse eingeladen, damit ich mich abschließen kann. Und ich habe gesagt, nein, nein, nein, nein, es muss etwas anderes sein. Woodworking, Dunderhead 101, das ist, worauf ich qualifiziert bin. Und sie hat mich zu dieser Sprache- und Dramatik-Klasse gesendet. Und ich ging zu der, sie sagt, wenn du rein kannst. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Also ich ging, ich sagte, wenn ich rein kann, Sprache und Dramatik, ich meine, ist das nicht für Dunderheads, für echte Dunderheads? Also ich ging zu der Tür, ich knallte auf die Tür und diese Dame kam zu der Tür. Und ihr Name war Dr. Karen Pyle. Und sie hatte ihr Arm an der Tür und sie war fest und es gab keinen Weg, dass ich durch diese Tür komme.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich sagte, du weißt, ich wurde gesendet und sie sagte, ja, ich weiß. Ich habe nie wieder ein anderes Wort bekommen. Sie sagt, kannst du singen? Ich sagte, ja. Sie sagt... Can you dance? I said, sure. I'll dance right now. What do you want the monkey to do? I can do it. Just let me in. I gotta get out of this school. So she accepted. Oh, she said, come back for the auditions at 4 o'clock.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
He's like, no, I'm just going to do the jokes and bring people up. But he was underplaying it because that crew, that staff, his people, they really got him loaded up with good jokes. He was...
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich habe für West Side Story geauditioniert, was ich auch gemacht habe. Ich habe die Hauptrolle in West Side Story bekommen, wo ich gesangt und gedanzt habe. Sie sah etwas in mir, was ich nicht wusste, dass ich wirklich legit hatte. And she started, she took me into the class. She started making me read Moliere and Shakespeare. Nobody else in the class.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Moliere, Shakespeare, Ben Johnson, Tennessee Williams, Jean Genet. The canon, the classics. The classics. And I kept going on. I don't know what this means. I'm from the South. I got a fucking accent. Did you? Oh man, she'd throw those books at me and throw at me diction exercises. So she got rid of your accent? In a year. Wow. Yeah.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And by the spring, she took me to the University of Kansas to audition for the summer repertory program, which I did. Yeah. And I was one of eight students chosen out of the entire Midwest area to participate. I mean, talking about Minnesota, Wisconsin, Chicago, everywhere.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Big people. I mean, I go out of town out there. Chicago, come on. That's a trip.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I'm getting out. But you were never at a point where, because it feels like, I don't know why I associate, you know, growing up in Kansas as a, and I don't know what your particular family situation was, but for some reason I sense like it's either going to be shit jobs in prison or fucking acting.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Fucking and acting. Yeah, fucking and acting. That seemed like the... I'm giving the choice. Prison or fucking and acting. Oh, okay. I mean, I hear you do the same sort of thing in prison, but... You don't have much choice. You don't have a lot of choice in the matter.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
und konfident und fokussiert und einfach auf Feuer und wirklich warm war und es war wirklich einer der besten Oscars, die ich in einem langen Zeitraum gesehen habe und ich bin ein großer Kimmel-Fan als Host von diesem Show und ich habe immer genossen, wie er Dinge unterteilt, aber Conan hat etwas zurückgebracht und er hat etwas Freshes dazu gebracht und er hat es gemacht, He made it very present.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
So you ended up with your dad? I ended up with my dad by order of the court. See? What'd you do? They knew what was up. What'd you do? Doesn't matter? Doesn't matter. I probably lied about what the reason was anyway in the first place. I probably made it up. But they weren't together. In my mom's defense, there was no way that she was going to handle me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And my father had a rough time handling me. I was a wild child, what can I tell you? Yeah, just like a fuck you guy? Well, I left home when I was 16. Yeah. engineered my graduation from high school and then got a scholarship to the University of Kansas.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Are your parents around? No. No, they've both passed. And were they around long enough to see your success?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Religiös? Ja. Wow. Did you know him? Oh, very well, yeah. I knew my great-grandfather. Really? Yeah, it was my job when I was little to go with him in the woods and make sure he didn't get lost. Shit, he wasn't going to get lost. I might have gotten lost, but he knew where every living thing was in the entire property. And he taught me where everything was. Now, did you see him preach?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I saw both my grandfathers preach. Were they like Baptist or what was it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Oh yeah. People crying and coming up and testifying. Tents or church? Well, my aunt, my mother's sister was a revival tent person. She's big. She came out here. Her name was Climina Bowling. Yeah? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, I know. I can't figure out how I missed it. I went for the short money. Yeah. You had a shot. I had a shot. I had it right there in front of me to kind of audit. You had mentors. It was built in.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It was all right there in front of me. It's not too late. No, you can always preach. It's not too late.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, it would be an interesting sermon. Probably different than what your grandparents did.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Way different. So you used to go see them... I'll tell you what mine wouldn't be.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It wouldn't be based in fear. Yes. Exploiting people's fears. Yeah, yeah. No, it'd be some sort of hybrid.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
So it's not much difference between newscasters and preachers. Both in the fear business.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, instill the panic. Yeah. And provide a guiding hand. Yeah. Right to hell. Yeah. Yeah. So you do the conservatory thing. Now, was that challenging? Were you intimidated? American Conservatory Theater? Well, no, when you went after high school and she got you into that program.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I'm not even sure how they did it, but some of it had to do with it was a classy production. I mean, the set was just stunning. It just it wasn't schmaltzy. It wasn't chintzy. There was not a lot of set pieces. There was a lot of audio visual effects and they just nailed it. It had this deco framework and
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Oh, in University of Kansas. Yeah, well, you know, I got... I got shown the ropes by a junior girl. Okay. And she took good care of me. Listen, let's just... A lot of girls in your life. Let's just declare this. Yes. Right away. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Anything serious?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, your daughter Dakota is a brilliant actress. Yeah, she is. Unbelievable. Yeah, she's pretty good. I mean, you must watch her and just be like, oh my God, she can really do it, dude.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, I had that feeling the first time and then I kind of, then I got more in the mode of, well, that's a choice I wouldn't have made, but she pulled it off.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You know how comics watch other comics? Of course you do. It's never good. That's funny. Yeah, that's funny. I do a bit like that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
She got that from me. So you do that program and you come out to L.A. Did you feel confident? I mean, you've done a bunch of theater. What did you do up there?
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
At the American Conservatory Theater? No, in Kansas. Yeah, I did theater and repertory and then I studied regular theater. Okay, in San Francisco. Und was war das Jahr? 68. So it must have been crazy. It was fantastic. I was 18 years old on the heels of the Summer of Love and San Francisco and I'm the only fucking straight guy. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
They were waiting for you. It's like they sent out an invitation for one. So that was before the 60s got weird and bad. So it was just hippies and fun, huh?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, it was on the cusp of getting bad. By 69 it was pretty boarded up. I should have gotten the hint then because that's my generation right there. And then I went on to see my generation completely screw up the whole fucking world.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I can't let go. I can't tell you how disappointed and how all those conversations about freedom and peace and And, you know, became, the same people became the people that are denying your insurance claims and the people that are coming up with culture wars. The people that wanted freedom the most. And I put my faith in them.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And I can't tell you how hurt and disappointed I am in the folks in my generation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, I guess it was, you know, at the end of the day, it was all pretty selfish. Not all of them. No, I get it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, sure. You know, there's some very wise people, and thank God that there are. And they keep us down the road. But, you know, clearly we're going through an identity crisis time. And I think this will pass. And we'll be... America is an interesting place. It wants to experiment, even at its own detriment. But that's okay.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And they had the orchestra up behind the stage where you could kind of see it at times in the middle of the screen. It was really... It was a great night of entertainment and honors. I don't know. Listen to me. I'm fucking like I'm like I'm going crazy here. Let me talk about today's show today. Don Johnson, Hollywood Veteran, guy who's been around a long time, is on the show.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, the loophole in democracy is that you can freely elect a fascist.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, and also... Es mimikiert, wer wir als Menschen sind, ehrlich zu Gott. Ich meine, diese Entscheidungen und solche Dinge, ich meine, wir als Menschen, wir stellen uns in Positionen, in denen wir der Antichrist sind.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
So when you were in San Francisco, were you hanging out with heady people? I mean, were you, like, what was it? Ich war früher bei Jerry Garcia in der Hague. Und er war auf der Stube und spielte. Und es war sehr ähnlich in den 60ern. Denn alle waren mit allen zusammen. Es wurde nicht unser Generationen Backstage Passage. Man, wir werden alle Musik spielen. Komm schon.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, light up, you know. Hang out. Drop some acid. Let's get to know something other.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, the original acid. Purple Osley, baby. Yeah, how was that? Good shit. Wie lange dauerte das?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Das war eine ziemlich interessante Sache, weil die erste Zeit, eine Frau sagte, hey, ich habe zwei Tabs von Purple Osley Acid, willst du es probieren? Ich sagte, was? Sie sagte, willst du es probieren? Ich sagte, ja. No, I don't think so, man. Really? No, I don't. And she took one right in front of me. While she's looking me in the eye, asking me, she goes, and I went, give me that.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I'm going with you. She was pretty. I was going with her, for sure. So I took it. And we ended up, this is a trip. We ended up, like all my stories, we were up all night. And we ended up in Grace Cathedral. Now P.S., 42 Jahre später. Ja. Meine Tochter würde gebetet werden. Meine jüngste Tochter würde gebetet werden in der Grace Cathedral.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Das ist ein langer Reise. Das war ein helles Reise. Und ich stand da rum, ich schaute in die Cathedral und ich war so, oh ja. Ja. Yeah, we're doing this again in a different way.
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Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, yeah. The parallel universe will catch up. Yeah. Well, so, and you're learning. You got a good teacher there. Yeah. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Oh, well, at the American Conservatory Theater, I was with hardcore pros. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Oh, wow. Ja. Ja. Oh, Rebel Ridge. Ja, das war gut.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Das war gut, Junge. Ja, ich mag es, wenn du eine furchtbare Scheiße bist. Du kannst sie wirklich mit der Range fahren.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Nun, ich kann auch eine furchtbare, lustige Scheiße sein, wie in Quentin Tarantino. Oh, ja, das war großartig. Ja, die Plantation.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja. Nein, wie die Dr. Odyssey. Ich fühle mich, als wäre es seltsam, weil ich es gesehen habe. Und ich schaue nicht mehr viel Network-Television, weil es schwer ist, zu wissen, ob es existiert. Aber...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You know him from Miami Vice and movies like Tin Cup, Django Unchained, Knives Out. Rebel Ridge. He's in the ABC series Dr. Odyssey, which is starting its second season this week. So yeah, I was excited to watch the Oscars last night.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But it is a show like those old network shows, where, you know, you're just moving the story around, it's a clip, and, you know, you're in people's lives quick, and it's got buttons, and it's romantic, and it's a little dirty. It's like a dream.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, I guess so. Dr. Odyssey is like a dream. Yeah. Because you pop into this fantasy world, you know, that people don't know that much about, but always want, you know, they want to know about cruises. They want to know about what happens. And And at first I, you know, I wasn't sure I wanted to do Legacy TV, but Ryan Murphy, true to his word, made it so that it was okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, you know, it's odd you mentioned that about Cruises.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And he's also a sweetheart of a person. He's, you know, because it matters to me who I work with. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja, sprichst du von Kruisen, gab es einen Moment, in dem du erklärst, wer auf der Kruise kommt? Weil ich kein Kruise-Guy bin. Ich würde nicht denken, dass ich auf einer Kruise gehen würde. Ich verstehe nicht, wie man sich damit empfiehlt. Aber es gibt diese Monologen, die du hast, warum Leute kommen, dass sie sich gesichert haben, dass es ihnen wichtig ist, dass es ihre Fantasie ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und ich denke, das ist es. Leute glauben das. Für mich ist es so, als wäre ich auf einem Boot krank, mit Essen um die Runde, jede fucking Stunde. But for most people, you know, it's like a big deal. They don't mind being sick. Yeah. They want their dream, man. But a lot of people get sick on this boat. I will say that. There's a lot of action on the boat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, don't say a lot of people get sick on the boat, Mark. I mean, it's half the show, Don. I may have to have you on the show and give you something terminal. No, I mean, it's like half love boat, half emergency. Well, call it what you will. I like to call it a dream. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
with an edge to it. I mean, thank God the doctors are there to maintain the dream.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, you know, it's just kind of, I like the idea of being able to drop in and have, you know, it's kind of interesting seeing ships deal with disasters. And what I'm watching right before my very eyes is humans Yeah. Yeah. And something interesting that I noticed with this recent fire is that we had a similar thing happen up to us where I live. By Santa Barbara?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I was in New Mexico and I'd gone out to see my dad and hang out with him and then I went over to my friend Dave's house and with his girlfriend Cheryl Lynn and we watched them on the big screen and I don't know, I get emotionally moved
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Nine days to the day after the fire, this huge rainstorm came in and dumped a million gallons of water. And floods and debris flowed and people died. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And nine days or so, thereabouts to the day, this rain came in. And I have to believe that there's a correlation. Okay.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, I mean, there's probably people that could speak to that. I can't, but I'll go with it. Yeah, I'm with it. Well, how does that relate to dealing with disasters on a boat?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I have no idea. But it seemed like a good segue. Well, no, I just was seeing that disasters on a boat are, you know, like the storms are getting stronger and stuff like that. So the protocols that they have to use on ships is much different than they once did. More serious. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
So it's 68, you're in what, San Francisco for two years? One. One. And then you just come down here.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
No, I get hired to do a show down here. Oh, which one? It was a play called Fortune in Men's Eyes. It was a prison drama. Yeah. And it was pretty racy avant-garde for the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And you did a lot of that stuff. I mean, you did those kind of plays. I mean, if you're in San Francisco in 68, a lot of experimental theater. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I was doing a lot of plays in repertory. Yeah, okay. And then I was doing a regular show at night at the Marines Theater called Your Own Thing, which is a musical. Okay. And it was kind of like during the, it was the blue-haired old ladies version of hair. Okay. They wouldn't go see hair, but they would go and see Your Own Thing, because we looked nicer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It was more fun. Yeah. Something they could handle. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So you're doing that. But you come down here for this play.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I did come out here for this play. A prison play. And it was very controversial. Why? Because there was a rape scene in the prison. And, you know, that was also during the time where... Es war eine Rennstrecke nach dem, wer mehr überraschend sein könnte. Und so ein Gefängnisdrama mit einer Rape-Szene war ziemlich überraschend.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und es hat funktioniert, weil ich mich direkt aus dem Film geholt habe, für meinen ersten Film, den Lied in meinem ersten Film. Welcher war das? MGM, ich werde dir den Titel nicht erzählen, weil es ein schreckliches Film war. Du kannst es aufschauen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Aber was war die Erfahrung, als du auf einem Set warst?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I was in New York City for the very first time in my whole life and I was in every shot. And I learned, one of the first few days I was there, I was talking to the script supervisor and she told me that she had been the script supervisor on the waterfront with Marlon Brando and Elie Kazan. Und ich sagte, was? Und sie sagte, ja. Und ich sagte, okay, dann sagst du mir alles. Ich meine, die Details.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
von den fucking oscars i don't know if i feel like it's part of my community now but i feel like i'm more emotional about it now because i do talk to a lot of people i wouldn't say i'm in rotation or anything i wasn't there but i'm always curious to see how people dass Anora den Best Picture Oscar gewonnen hat. Das war, was ich gewinnen wollte.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Du sagst mir alle Details von beiden von Brando und Gazan. Bis zu Finger... Was sie tun. Und sie sagte mir... One day we were waiting for the company to find a place to shoot and we were stranded at Fordham University. We were sitting on the steps there and she proceeded to tell me everything she remembered about Marlon. It was fantastic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It was like one of those things where she said, well, he went around and he learned everyone's job on the set. And I went, well, that makes perfect sense. So I spent the rest of that movie Everybody's job, you know, because I didn't know where else to start. I said, let's just learn everybody's job. And believe it or not, it helped me do my job. Isn't that great? It was an amazing gift.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Another time a woman taught you how to live. So outside of the movie being bad, you learned what everyone's job was.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, I learned what everyone's job was. I met Andy Warhol, he was in the movie. Joe D'Alessandro was in the movie. Candy Darling was in the movie. Did you go down to the factory and hang out? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The first time I went down there, Patty, the mother of my oldest son Jesse, was standing naked on Andy's table down there. Is that where you met? Well, that's where we said hello.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
We didn't actually hook up until a year later. Was it Patty Darbenville? Patty Darbenville, yeah. Yeah, Darbenville, yeah. She was a factory regular, right? Oh, yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, it must have been kind of interesting to deal with the difference between the San Francisco idea of the 60s.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And I had an incredible time there. Did you see Velvet Underground? Were they there? Oh, yeah. They were all in my movie. Oh, my God. This is crazy. And Jimi Hendrix. Really? Everybody, yeah. Now, were you hanging out? Could you talk to them? Yeah, I was in this club called Hippopotamus. It was on 54th Street. And a friend of mine handed me a little vial of cocaine. Was that the first time?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, it wasn't the first time. I'd be lying if I said it was the first time. But he didn't have anything to do it with. I said, you got a spoon, you got a straw, what do you got? Because I certainly didn't have any money to roll up. I was a bum.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You got a key. A key to nothing. So I went downstairs, the men's room was downstairs, and I went in and I dumped it on my hand.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
He took care of you. Yeah, he took care of me. That's funny, man. And then you come back to L.A. And then after that, with a little experience under your belt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
A little experience under my belt. Came back to L.A. and starved. Yeah. Coke. If you make a bad movie on your first movie, they want you to suffer. But was it even on the radar? I mean, did the movie come out?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
On and off for 15 years. And were you involved with Patty? No, not until I was in my 30s.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
So where's the boozing and the drugging come in?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, I did a lot of it during my 20s. Then I got sober in my 30s, 32. And I didn't fall off the wagon until I was 42. And then I was out for a couple of years. Yeah, I got, what do I got? I'm in my 25th year. Awesome, I got about 30.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich meine, bitte. Wenn du nur eine Erinnerung dazu haben möchtest, wie es war, dann geh einfach raus und lege dich auf den Freitag und schlafe über Nacht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Es ist 1971. Was? Irgendwo da. Das war wie. Das war fucking verrückt hier, Mann. Es war fantastisch.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja, ich meine, es war wie immer noch ein kleiner Ort. Aber du konntest es auch verändern. Right. You could see, you know, all of my generation. You could see them all, you know, like hustling up and opening these vegetarian fresh fruit places. Sure. You know, they were getting into commerce and stuff like that. And making a deal with them was not all that great. And of course the...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich wollte es gewinnen, weil ich denke, es tut alles, was es soll. Es ist ein wirklich tolles Jahr für Indie-Filme dieses Jahr. Ich meine, besonders Anora, aber auch The Brutalist. Meine Picks waren wirklich... What were they? I wanted Nora to be Best Picture. I wanted Brady Corbett to win Best Director.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But like, when I talk to people like, I mean, I think you're a little, maybe a little younger than that, the generation, like, you're younger than like Ed Begley and Jack Nicholson and like that crew.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I'm younger than Jack. Yeah. Ed and I are about the same. About the same. We might be a little older than that.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But it just seemed like, you know, that Hollywood at that time, especially because it was coming off the 60s and now it wasn't an ideological drug party, it was just a free-for-all fuckfest. In the 70s? Yeah, in the early 70s. I'm surprised that you have a specific time for it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, I'm talking about culturally, once the hippie thing got integrated into just everyday people and drugs became totally recreational.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, kind of. But I'm just thinking that because of the nature of being an actor and being in a small neighborhood, the parties and stuff must have been crazy. Well, yeah. You're right. And then you did the movie with LQ Jones. A Boy and His Dog. And that guy is... I've always been fascinated with that guy. Er scheint ein ehrgeiziger Mensch zu sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
LQ ist ein sehr ehrgeiziger Mensch. Er ist ein Gerichtshof. Und sein echter Name ist Justice McQueen. Das war sein echter Name. Er ist jetzt verabschiedet. Und er hat es verändert und hat den Namen des ersten Charakters, den er jemals gespielt hat, genommen. LQ Jones. Wow. And he was Peckinpah's guy, right? He did a lot of Peckinpah movies.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You know, and he kind of made the rounds with all those guys like... Alvey Moore war sein Freund, der auch in A Boy and His Dog war. Und er war klug. Er hat gelernt, wie man ein gutes Leben im Geschäft machen kann. Und er hat geschrieben, er hat diese kurze Geschichte gefunden, diese Novelle von Harlan Ellison. He adapted the screenplay. Somehow I got a hold of it. I went and I read for him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
He loved what I did. You know who the publicist was? Who? Don Simpson. No kidding. Yeah. Yeah. And before, when we were talking before about Jack, when I was 19 years old, I had a house right at the mouth of Laurel Canyon going up. And Jack and Cass Elliott and... John Phillips and Harry Dean Stanton and a whole bunch of others. Zappa? No, Zappa. He didn't hang out with us. I hung out with Zappa.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
He lived up on Woodrow Wilson. But they would come over to my house to wait rush hour out. And I would learn from all the guys and everybody was carrying something.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Außer für mich, ich konnte es nicht verdienen. Ich war ein guter Benutzer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I was kind of thinking that Adrian Brody was gonna win, but I kind of wanted Ralph Fiennes to win. I wanted Demi to win, but it's... It's perfectly great that Mikey Madison won. I mean, just how exciting. You don't know what's going to happen. And the movies are all pretty fucking good. And there are surprises. I know that I've got to see Amelia Perez. I've got to see the Brazilian film.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Also konntest du nur ihre Gehirne wählen und abhängen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja, du weißt, und wir wurden einfach Freunde. Wir wurden alle Freunde. Bleibst du Freunde? Oh, ja, sehr nahe Freunde. Du weißt, Jack und ich haben immer zusammen gespielt. Du spielst immer noch Golf? I haven't been able to play in the last couple of years because I've been dealing with a disc issue, but I'm past it, so I'll probably tee it back up. Yeah, you love it?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I don't love it, but I like to get out and be with my sons play, and I love my sons. I love my kids. I'd rather be with my kids than anybody.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So wait, was Don Simpson involved with Miami, with the TV show?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
No, he was just a publicist. He was just a hustler.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Don Simpson was from Alaska and he was funny and he was just a character. And he became a huge producer. Huge. He hit it big with a couple of things. I remember reading about his death. It was brutal in terms of the drug scene. Yeah, well, Don stayed a little too long at the fair. Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Aber was ist das? Ich habe gelesen, dass wenn du hier warst, dass dein Freund Sal Mineo war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ist das wahr? Das ist nicht wahr. Das ist eine urbane Legende. Aber ich denke, Sal war eine fantastische Person. Großartiger Schauspieler, ja. Großartiger Schauspieler und wurde für einen Oscar nominiert. Urban legend. Urban legend. But you know what? People make up shit all the time. When I was doing Miami Vice, I was a womanizing pig one week and incredibly gay the next week.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja. Ja. No, I still struggled. I mean, I had, you know, something of a name, but I wasn't getting paid and you couldn't live on this. It's a weird movie. It's a good movie.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It's a good movie. Is it years before you get hooked up? Well, I mean, you were a kid then. So how do you get to Michael Mann from Boy and His Dog?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, Michael Mann didn't really come on the show until after... I had already met with Tony Yerkovich. Michael came on as a producer because Brandon Tartikoff and Universal wanted somebody to hold their hand. Because basically Thomas Carter, the director, and the rest of us, who all came out of independent films, we made that movie. We went in and we made it. And Michael, bless his heart,
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Brought in a couple of nice additions, like a feature production designer named Mel Bourne. And Michael set it up for success, but he didn't write a script and he never directed an episode.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
That's interesting because there is a vibe that feels like man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, but that's because he created it. He says he created the marketing around the show that it was Michael Mann's. Miami Vice. Und er wollte, dass Philipp und ich zwei Schüsse machen. Und ich kam sofort dazu. Und ich sagte, Philipp, ich habe ihn darauf eingelassen, was da war, dass wir die Arbeit machen werden, aber Michael wird die Kredite nehmen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich sagte, wenn wir in eine Szene gehen, nimmst du einen Teil der Raum und ich nehme den anderen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Also muss er dich separat bewegen. Er muss sich bewegen. Aber er hatte nicht viel kreative Input? Nein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You can't say that about Michael because, you know, he thinks he's the smartest man and most creative man in the room. I've talked to him. He made some good movies, dude. He made some okay movies. Wow, okay. I mean, I'm being serious. Collateral is a pretty good movie. Last of the Mohicans is a pretty good movie. Heat is a pretty good movie. Heat is a fucking masterpiece. Alright.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
That was when he was still hungry. Right. And wasn't drinking his own Kool-Aid. Did you know James Caan? Very well. Good guy. Yeah, he was very... I knew him since I was 18. Where'd you meet him? At the pool hall. He was a tough guy. So he thought. Not a Kansas tough guy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Brooklyn Butchers Kids, tough guy. Yeah. He seemed fun.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, he's okay. Who are your good friends here? Hunter Thompson was my best buddy for a long time. That guy's the best. Man, God rest his soul.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
What is it? I'm Still Here. I think that I can accept that... Best Cinematography went to The Brutalist. I'm sorry, Brady didn't win, but I think that it got some respect and the respect it deserved, actually, because Adrian won. But the cinematography was pretty fucking amazing. And Sean Baker won Best Director, Best Editor, Best Original Screenplay, and then Best Picture.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Fucking best. I'm mad at myself, because I was up in San Francisco on a little bit of a tear with my buddy Jack. I don't know, it must have been the mid to late 90s. And Hunter, we ended up at Tosca after this long night drinking. Yeah. Und er war da. Und er war auf der anderen Seite davon. Er sah ziemlich los. Aber ich habe nicht gesagt, hallo.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich weiß nicht, was es zu tun hätte, aber ich regiere mich.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Er hätte mit dir etwas Schlechtes gemacht. Ja, natürlich. Besonders, wenn er fand, dass du einen Podcast hattest. Nein, ich habe nicht. Ich war nur ein Typ, der sagte, oh, das ist Hunter Thompson. Ja. Wusste du ihn, als er die Mitchell Brothers managte? Nein. We went over to the Mitchell Brothers together. They were still in prison. Some guy has a business card that Hunter made up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Im Mitchell Brothers Theater. Der Ferrell Theater. Der Nachtmanager des Ferrell Theaters. Wann hast du ihn kennengelernt? Ich habe ihn zum ersten Mal in den 70ern kennengelernt. Mit Jan Wenner. Ich habe Jan kennengelernt, als er noch in San Francisco war. Mit dem ursprünglichen Rolling Stone? Ja. Wir haben uns dann getroffen und haben uns kennengelernt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und als Miami Vice es groß gemacht hat, war Hunter in Miami jede Woche drei Wochen, um zu hangen. Ja, ja. Um zu schießen. Ja, ja. Und so wurden wir... Und er lebte eine Quart von einem Meilen weg von mir in Aspen. Okay. Und ich hatte einen Ranch in Little Woody. Und er war auf Woody Creek Road. Ich meine, literally nur aus der Mörder-Range.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Wow. Also waren Sie All-Nighters, hangen raus, sprechen?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Na, wir sahen es nicht wirklich so aus. Wie sahen Sie es aus? Wir sahen es nur zusammen. Wir haben es nicht bemerkt, ob es Tag oder Nacht war.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
He must have been a riot. He was a fucking blast.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
If I had a sick animal, he would go and sleep in the stall with it while I was away. When Kelly and I got married, if there was a storm or anything going through, he'd call Kelly and say, what can I do? I mean, he was just... Salt of the Earth, genius, great guy, funny. And I mean, we had some times. We laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed. I bet. Till it hurt and cried and everything else.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
That's fucking beautiful. So when you became, when Miami Vice blew up, how did you handle that? The fame of it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Eine volle Veränderung der Kleidung, eine volle Veränderung von allem. Ich meine, es ging wirklich darum, Ich habe Projekte gekauft, die diametrisch gegen das, was ich gerade gemacht habe, so dass ich nicht in nur dieses eine Ding gezeichnet wurde.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich weiß nicht, ob ich das jemals jemandem gesagt habe, aber Brian De Palma wollte, dass ich die Untouchables mache, während wir Miami Vice gemacht haben. Ich habe das Skript bekommen und es gelesen. I knew it was going to get better because it's Brian De Palma, but I didn't really like the part at the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, I thought... Ich dachte mir, es ist mehr Dress-Up. Es ist mehr Dress-Up, Clothes-Centric und so weiter. Und ich wollte... Und ich wusste nicht, dass De Niro das Heavy spielen würde. Sonst hätte ich es nicht gedreht, aber ich habe es gemacht. Und ich habe einen vergessenen Film gespielt. Aber es hat den Zweck geholfen. Es hat den Zweck geholfen, oh, er kann actieren und in etwas anderes.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Es hat nicht sehr gut funktioniert. But it was just to make a statement.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And De Niro only had like two scenes in it. It was more of a little ensemble piece for Garcia and Sean Connery and Costner.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
He got the movie made because Costner didn't have the name to get it made.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
That's fucking outstanding. Independent movie, made for six million dollars. I don't know. And the comedy was good. It wasn't overwrought. There were only a couple of really wacky bits. The opening bit was good. Everybody was dressed nice. But that set and that orchestra and Conan just keeping it going, I don't know. And also just the vibe. You know, L.A. coming out of the fires. You know...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Didn't have the juice? Yeah. You friends with that guy? Yeah. Yeah. You seem to be like kind of a kindred spirit somehow. Who, Kevin and I?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, we made a movie together called Ten Cup.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, yeah. Is that where you met Cheech? Wasn't Cheech in that movie? No, I knew Cheech from before. From the 70s? Oh yeah. I knew Cheech from before.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, when Cheech and I got together and we were up there in San Francisco, we would be in that car for... In den 70ern? Nein, nein. In San Francisco, in Nash Bridges. Und wir waren in der Yellow Kuda. Und wir erzählten Geschichten über die Orte, wo wir waren. Und jeder von uns hatte die Hälfte der Geschichte, aber nicht die andere Hälfte. Also, lass mich dir sagen, was passiert ist.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Also, diese Frau, die du warst, sie hat den anderen Mann über den Kopf mit einem Bierbottel geschlagen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Das gleiche Event, aber zwei Seiten der Geschichte. Oh, das ist lustig.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja, ja. Ich hatte die beiden in der alten Studio, Cheech and Chong, und sie hatten lange nicht zusammengekommen. Und ich habe auf ihre Scheiße gegrüßt.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Es war seltsam, weil ich hier sitze und es höre, und sie klingen wie Cheech und Chong, weil sie Cheech und Chong sind. Also klingel ich durch das ganze Ding, auch wenn sie nicht lustig sind. Es ist einfach so dynamisch. Es war fucking verrückt. Ist das das, was den Relapse gebracht hat, als du Miami Vice gemacht hast? Nein. Oh. Nein, nein, ich war sauber.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But you handled the fame just practically? You just knew?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You know, a day at a time. Some things you handle poorly. Some things you handle better. And eventually you... Well, you know, ultimately what I did was I said, you know, I remember where I was when Elvis died. And I remember how he died. And I am not going to isolate and die... Ich meine, auf der Toilette, aber ich werde viele Freunde haben. Ja. Ich werde nicht isoliert sein.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich werde lernen, wie ich das Fame-Ding im Publikum machen kann. Ich werde nicht isoliert sein. Warst du dann praktisch? Ja. Und ich habe auch etwas gehört, das mich aufgehört hat. Marilyn Monroe war in New York mit einem ihrer Freunde, ich weiß nicht, Babe Paley oder einer der Damen. Und sie sagte, hey, lass uns gehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Marilyn sagte, hey, lass uns nach Madison Avenue gehen und ein bisschen shoppen. Babe sagt, bist du verrückt? Ich gehe nicht mit dir irgendwo. Sie sagt, oh, keine Sorge, ich werde einfach nicht Marilyn sein. Ja. Ja. I won't wear the clothes, I won't wear the thing, I won't, you know. And you can get into a persona where you can blend. Yeah. And I've become somewhat of an expert at it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Yeah, unfortunately, I've learned how to do it in the business, too.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, at least you're not, I know some guys have different, they put on noses and masks. Oh, yeah, that, no, I'm not going to do that. No, but what are you talking about? You seem to work all the fucking time. And you look good. Hey, thanks, Mark. Well, how do you view that whole, how do you kind of... Hey, you know what?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I'm still on the menu after 50 some odd years. That's pretty good.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But how do you compartmentalize or sort of look at the arc of fame in a rational way in terms of accepting where you are now?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Fame is like a long... Well, I mean, the Buddhism has to help. A lot. Getting rid of that ego. Well, getting rid of everybody's ego.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But some people do get addicted to it. But some people can't escape it either. They can.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But it is very isolating. You know what? If you stop running and just turn around and face... Die Leute denken einfach nur, dass sie dich nie wieder sehen werden. Ja. Das ist alles, was du tun musst. Ich bin hier, du wirst mich wieder sehen. Ja, ja, ja. Wie geht es dir? Du sprichst mit ihnen wie mit einem normalen Menschen. Du findest heraus, dass sie ein normaler Mensch sind. Und so bist du.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Showbusiness in general being culturally marginalized by monsters. There was no attention paid to the president or to politics, except in a very specific way when a movie that was a documentary made by a group of Palestinians and Israelis about what's going on there and they said their piece, which was righteous. And it's just a beautiful thing
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ja. Idiot. Ja. Richtig. Also hast du auch viele Freunde, die dich berühmt haben?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I mean people who you were once close with and then they became something different.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I don't think that that's particularly isolated to fame. I think throughout life you change and different things become more common. Ja. Ja. sind in diesem unglaublichen Ort, wo du... Ich meine, irgendwo auf der Art und Weise habe ich Selbstdauer verloren. Ja. Irgendwo auf der Art und Weise wurde ich verfügbar.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und irgendwo auf der Art und Weise habe ich gelernt, wie man liebt und wie man geliebt wird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Oh, wirklich? Also das ist ein Trick. Ja. Warte, lass mich dich jetzt von einem persönlichen Ansatz aus fragen. Now, before you learned how to love and be loved, what was the obstacle? What were you understanding as love and being loved before that?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, this is just me speculating here, but it feels like to me that when you're born into the world, you have a support system that ostensibly is supposed to love you. Exactly. Right. Ostensibly. Parents. Parents. Yes. But when your support system turns on you and you're fearful, you get the idea that maybe you're not worthy.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Well, that voice is created in your head. To parent you. To parent you. Yeah. Und sobald diese Stimme in deinem Kopf geht, beginnt es, all diese Verhalten zu erzeugen. Du beginnst, Narrative zu generieren, wie ich auf ihrer guten Seite sein kann, weil ich sie brauche. Ja. Und so schaffst du es, um zu überleben. Deine Eltern und dein Kind.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und du steckst mit ihrer Manipulation oder Verbrechen oder was auch immer.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Let's contain this a little bit. Because they're just like you. They're just kids that are trying to recover from their parents. And so what we are, pretty much, is DNA, conditions, and environment. That's it. And blaming your parents... ist ungefähr so unnötig wie ein Titt auf einem Bogen. Ja.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Denn je später du all das überstehen kannst und in den Wert des Lernens über diese Leben auf deiner eigenen Seite gehst, und du lernst, was dir dient und was nicht, desto schneller wirst du aus dem Schmerz fliehen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
So, so ultimately you have to make the shift from, you know, anger and resentment to empathy. Accept and surrender. Acceptance, yeah, yeah, yeah. Accept and surrender. Now, how old were you when this all came together?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It's been a project. I had, Eckhart totally asked me one time, he said, he said, hey man, he said, when did you, when did you get enlightened? And I said, What are you saying? What are you blaspheming over there about? I said, this is the first I'm hearing of it. And he said, oh, yeah, you have some awareness, you know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I said, well, I said, if it's anything, I said, I'm reminded by that statement by Buddha that, you know, sometimes enlightenment can come to you just snap of the finger, just like that. Then other times you have to
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
How did you know Tole? Was he on the level? Yeah, he's legit. Not a huckster.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
To have show business and the artists that revolve around film in all elements, not politicizing themselves by taking shots so they could have a night of their own and also kind of celebrate the community and what it means to put art in the world and the power of it. Adrian Brody said some beautiful stuff about that and about marginalization and about antisemitism and pushing back on hate.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
No, he's legit. There's a lot of people who make a living off of the... Off of the way, off of the Dow, but the legit ones you can tell.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Sure. Now, what's been your experience with having all these kids? I mean, in terms of... Greatest, greatest thing in my life.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Did you learn a lot of lessons around? Everything. You know, your kids are just DNA conditions and environment. Right. And they're going to mirror back to you exactly that. And how did you do? Oh, you hit and miss. Some are good, some are struggling a little bit. Some are fucking movie stars of all goddamn things. It's crazy. And my younger daughter is a model about to become a movie star.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
She's great. She's beautiful. Like the other one. And my youngest son will rule the world. He's a brainiac. In a good way? Yeah. Oh, good. Yeah, he's amazing. And my second youngest son is basically my father. Oh, really? Yeah, we gave birth to my father. So he's the rough one. No, no, he's just... My father was just rough when I was being born. He didn't know how he was going to feed me.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
So he was afraid. He was scared to death. But my youngest boy, or my second youngest boy, his name is Jasper. And he is the spitting image of my father. Really? It's incredible. Wild.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get along with Melanie and her mother. We have them up for Thanksgiving and stuff. Everybody comes up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast WTF, welcome to it. What is going on? I gotta be honest with you, I'm just gonna go straight into it. We don't do this every year because it gets late for me to get this to Brendan before it's very late there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I have to imagine that Reckoning with the Past has been a project, too, in terms of the relationships. Not too bad?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
You know, one of the side... Unexpected pleasures that you learn from being a student of Buddhism is that you can let all that shit go. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. You're just carrying it. You're just carrying the narrative. They haven't thought of you one second. That's a tough one to accept. The small me...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
wants to think that everybody is thinking about you all the time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And they're just surprised that you're still alive.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Good guy, Don Johnson. Dr. Odyssey airs Thursdays on ABC and is streaming on Hulu. Hang out for a minute, folks.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Hey, vier Jahre ago this week, one of the greatest moments in the history of this show happened. Eddie Murphy was my guest and the best part for me was when I cracked him up like real good. Isn't that petty of me? I'm like, hey, you know, I saw you on Fallon and the candles were lit. What the fuck is that about?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
It's beautiful. It's beautiful. Two more? Where are you sitting? Do you have a steakhouse at your place?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
They had the firefighters come out and they had written a few jokes for them. That was pretty funny. So there was the kind of LA community represented and there was the sort of entertainment industry represented and the idea of art having purpose and facilitating some sort of change or at least some sort of salve to hopelessness and bringing people together. I thought it was great.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
That whole episode is one for the ages. It's episode 1207 and you can listen to it for free in whatever podcast app you're using right now. If you want every episode of WTF ad-free, sign up for WTF+. You can go to the link in the episode description or go to wtfpod.com and click on WTF+. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich dachte, es war großartig. Und ich bin sehr stolz auf meinen Freund Conan. Wir sind nicht so nah. Aber ich kenne ihn schon lange. Aber ich wusste nicht, wie er es machen würde. Und er hat es wirklich gut gemacht. Ich wurde viel verletzt während der Sache. Nur wenn Leute gewinnen und sie nicht erwarten, dass sie gewinnen. Und verdammt, ich liebe den Film Onora.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und ich liebe den Film The Brutalist. Und sie haben alles richtig gemacht. Sie haben alles richtig gemacht. Ich denke, Onora war eine der am meisten überraschenden, untertäuschenden, herzlichen Dinge, die ich in einem langen Zeitraum gesehen habe. Another thing I want to mention is that when Ben Stiller showed up, all I was hoping was that he was going to do a comedy piece.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Because despite whatever seriousness he aspires to and achieves, Ben Stiller doing physical comedy is one of the greatest things ever in terms of comedy. Ben Stiller ist einer der großartigen physischen Komedien und er hat ein bisschen gemacht und es war großartig. Niemand hat bessere physische Zeit als dieser fucking Kerl. Also das war ein Trieb.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Ich werde in Oklahoma City im Tower Theater am Dienstag, Leute, das ist am 6. März. I'll be in Dallas on Friday, March 7th at the Majestic Theater. I'll be in Houston at the White Oak Music Hall Saturday, March 8th. And San Antonio at the Empire Theater on Sunday, March 9th before I head to South by Southwest that week. Get the links from there so you're not going to a scalper site.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I don't mean to say this over and over again like people are stupid, and I'm not saying they're stupid, but you can't just Google Marc Maron tickets and get to the right place. So go to wtfpod.com slash tour to get the stuff that you need. Speaking of movies, I don't know if I mentioned this, but I went back Und ich habe Brady Corbets erstes Film gesehen, das heißt Kindheit eines Leiters.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Und es könnte besser sein als Der Brutalist. Du solltest es sehen. Ich fühle mich, als hätte ich dir bereits gesagt, dass du das tust. Aber er ist ein echter Poet und er hat eine wirklich interessante Sensibilität.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
outside of that, I just want to say that my maternal lineage goes all the way back into the Ukraine, into Galicia, which apparently, when my great-great-great-grandfather was there, it was an oil boom town. And I'd like to think that my great, great, great grandfather, maybe even one more great, was working those wells, a Jewish roughneck.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I'm on the west coast, he's on the east coast, but I did just watch the Oscars. I watched them, because if you've been listening to this show for many years, you know that I love them. I grew up excited about the Oscars. I was kind of a film-nerdy kid, and I just liked seeing the movie stars. I liked seeing the movies that were nominated for Oscars.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And I say this because I stand with Ukraine politically and genetically. Genetically Ukrainian, at least a quarter. And then the other part was close. It was Poland. And then there's some other stuff, Russia. But, you know, the full Ashkenaz-Spectrum. So... Like I said, I've been out here in New Mexico and I was visiting my dad for a few days. It was just a day. I spent a day with him.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And he's still hanging in there. He had a good day with me. We spent a couple of hours together, a few hours. He was present and talking. I can't remember what he had for breakfast, but he knows about me. He knows about my life. He knows about his life. And his wife, Rosie, was there. And it's interesting because she has a huge family. Huge.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
And it strikes me that as a person who doesn't have kids and is relatively disconnected from my extended family, when that's the situation, like I just have a lot less unfolding and seemingly never ending drama in my life. And that seems to be the excitement of some part of the excitement of family and connection.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
There's always someone to talk about who you love or who you kind of have to accept or not accept, but they're part of your family for better or for worse. And it's just when I'm around Rosie, she's always talking about this family. And I don't know if I miss it.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But I don't have that, that big connection of constantly being able to, you know, who's dying, who's not dying, who's in trouble, who's out of favor, who's got sick, who won an award, whose kid is dancing. It's just like, I don't have that. And in the absence of that, it's just really the daily garbage churn of the manifestations of my own insecurity, shame, panic.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
and despair, the four horsemen of my personal apocalypse. And then I just throw in that other trash that comes into my brain, just throw that into the hopper and see what I come up with. Look, I know, listen, I'm tired of me too. Believe me, all right? Believe me. But I'm okay today because, well, lately I've been taking like every opportunity to, Vielen Dank.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Einige von ihnen sind alleine, andere nicht. Ich war nur online in einem Kaffeeshop hier in Albuquerque. Und ein Typ hat meine Sonnenblasen geklopft. Und das nächste, was ich wusste, war, dass wir in der Linie standen, über seine Reise in den Irak, Afghanistan, seine Familie, seine Reise nach Venedig, seine italienischen Reisen, seine New Yorker Reisen.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Wir haben ein bisschen über meine Boots gesprochen. Und das ist in fünf Minuten passiert. People like to talk to people. And even if it's just small talk in a way, it's actually better when it's casual and loose and not driven by ideology and politics, because that's when you're listening to a self-editing recording device and the person's humanity fades into the machine or disappears.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
When I was in high school, I liked talking about the movies with my buddy Devin, who, him and I were kind of heady, or we thought we were anyways, for... High school students and on through college. But the Oscars have a big place in my heart. And I've gone up and down with the Oscars over the years. But let me tell you something. This year's Oscars, my pal Conan O'Brien hosted this thing.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
But there's some craving I have. And I think it's worth continuing to talk about to get out in the fucking world. You know, I mean, just be out in the world among people. I just, it feels important and I know it seems small, but it just feels important. Okay, look, Don Johnson. Don Johnson is an interesting character because everybody knows who Don Johnson is. And he's been in L.A.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
He's been around this business for a long time, for a lot of generations. He's got a lot of stories. The season two premiere of Dr. Odyssey is this Thursday, March 6th at 9 p.m. 8 Central on ABC. You can also stream episodes on Hulu. But when I got the opportunity to talk to Don Johnson, how am I not going to talk to Don Johnson? Right. Here's me and Don Johnson.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
I like everything. Yeah, but you were looking up plants. When I don't recognize something. My father knew every tree in the forest. Really? Every tree in the forest, yeah. That was his thing? One of them? Well, one of them. One of the many things. But I kind of feel like that I'm... Are you? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I hope you're holding up. I guess, you know, I've got a couple emails, a couple of DMS from people in Canada. And I I don't I'm sorry. I don't know what to tell you other than, look, we're we're very unhappy as well. And I don't know what it's going to take for. the whatever's left of legacy media to start reporting on this for what it is.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's terrible when it becomes personal or you lose your home or you're close by because I've been here for quite a few years. And you always live with the risk of it. You kind of know. Yeah. That's part of the devil's bargain we're in from living here. But it always seemed to be far away. And it didn't seem to be that there were structural risk usually. Right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But it was crazy, man. Did you get the app? Did you get the – Yeah, I got it. But you're just watching. You're like, oh, my God, there's fires everywhere. Yeah. Every day it was like one's popping up. How the hell is that possible? Yeah. I don't know if they're going to figure that out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Totally. Totally. Yeah. Well, I mean, did you, like, I know that, you know, when you were a kid, You know, you had to flee. Did you have a flashback? Was there anything triggering?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I guess we'll hang on to assessing this here as a just an odd presidency as opposed to what it really is until what it really is becomes undeniable. And again, I acknowledge my friends in Canada for what the monster here is doing. But we're all living in it. And it's not going to get good or better. Maybe ever. But hey, what'd you have for breakfast? Huh? What'd you have for breakfast?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, you can still feel that in your body? Yeah.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
It's not like we tried one time and then— But do you remember the actual feeling in Vietnam at that time? No. Or were you too young?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Well, of course. I mean, she was, like, you know, in her late teens. So what was happening is what the Americans were leaving. Is that what was happening?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So they were threatened physically that they would be, you know, either killed or put in a prison.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But like 30 years ago when you decided to take that movie, what were you doing on that movie? Acting or were you doing the other thing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Well, I know you worked in film outside of acting as well, but I mean, but at that time.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Wild. What did your other siblings end up doing?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I just talked to somebody from Houston yesterday, a Palestinian guy, a comedian. Houston's an amazingly diverse city. It is. It's crazy. And it's so big and so many different communities there. So they ended up there the whole time, huh?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Today, I talked to Ki-Hui Kwan, and it was kind of a great conversation. It's a beautiful human story, really. He won the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor two years ago for his role in Everything, Everywhere, All at Once. He's now the lead of the action comedy Love Hurts. which opens this week, which I saw. It's a lot of martial arts action.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I know. They got all kinds. When you have all the different communities, you got all the kinds of food. Yeah. And the ones that serve the community are the better ones. Yeah. So how did it work when you guys left? Did you all go as one family?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
On the successful escape. So when you were put in jail, how long did you have to stay in jail for?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
It's not good for mental health. Yeah, for a kid, yeah. And I guess you guys had no idea how long he would necessarily be in there.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. So I imagine like even though they're grifting and making money off it, they probably wanted people to leave.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Right, right. They're going to try to get out one way or the other.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Oh, okay. So that's the United Refugee Administration Program?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
He definitely wanted to make an entertaining, satisfying, violent comedy. But we talked about his whole life, and it's quite a human tale. So that's happening. That is happening shortly. It'll happen right here. You know, I went out, and I'm doing the comedy, and it was an interesting weekend, actually. Me and Blair Saki... Drove up to, we started in, where was that first show? Santa Barbara.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
You know, I'm very scared about... The lack of empathy, because I think that, you know, if you don't work the muscle that is empathy, if you don't allow your heart to engage in it, it just goes away. I don't think it's a natural thing. I think it's something, you know, tolerance and empathy has to be something that you let happen as opposed to just.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
work from anger or some sort of resentment or hatred because, you know, everybody's pretty selfish. So to sort of engage in the concern for other people, it's not really second nature, I think, in the big picture. I think like if you're on the street and somebody's in trouble, you know, people will show up.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But if they have time to think about whatever politics or whatever they think is a threat, then they stop being able to see people as people.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. So, like, how did you end up with the United States? I mean, I imagine the agency was trying to move people wherever.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
That must have been crazy. Was it a military plane?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And you had your papers and you were ready to go?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
The crying, everybody's crying. Yeah. Yeah. And so was your mom all set up? Did she have a place?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. And how did everybody start getting work?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. What is the makeup? What province do most of the people in Chinatown come from? Is there a specific one?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Maybe in the 1800s for the wrong reasons. But, I mean, did you feel a class tension between the Chinese community that had been there forever and the new people?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
We were in Santa Barbara. Then San Luis Obispo. And then Monterey. Beautiful drive. Beautiful, nice towns. Grown-up audiences. My audiences. Kind of an eclectic but specific bunch. But a lot of them. And if you know me from listening to this show, you know that I put an inordinate amount of pressure on myself to speak to the current moment, at least in my stand-up shows.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. It's amazing. Like these Chinatowns, like the, I don't know if they call it a diaspora, but it's always interesting to me that Chinese people got everywhere. I mean, they're represented in every state, everywhere.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I went to China once, I guess in the early 90s, and it was like going to another world. Yeah. I mean, I went to Beijing, and it was crazy. I'd never seen anything like it. A lot of different types of bicycles.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Oh, yeah. Well, there was that too, but I noticed that a lot of people were riding contraptions almost. I mean, that was one of my memories. I'm like, how many different kinds of pedal machines do they have?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So when you get here and you're eight years old, I mean, I'm sure you've told this story plenty of times, but how do you end up being a child actor?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And he was just looking at these script pages?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So they were giving him notes, and you were explaining it to him?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
You know, I hold back a little bit on the show because I don't want that to become a through line of the show to where I have to, you know, manage everything. you know, talking points and reactions. I'd rather just speak from the heart if I can. But I go up to do these shows and, you know, my audience is like-minded people and they're nervous, they're scared, they're depressed, they're in despair.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So you're at home and they come over to your house and say, we want you?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And then you go what? They take you over to the production?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
You'd been in prison. You'd been in a refugee camp.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So you're in that room with them at first, but you have no idea who they really are, but you know that you're... You're in a big thing.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Sure. And what was that first meeting like? Was it sort of like to see if you had chemistry with Harrison?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And you did that in the room, just improvised? Yeah, just improvised.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And that was the kind of, not the audition, but that was the first time you were with him.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And this is at the joy level. of the governing class right now, but I have to get up there and talk to them. And there's part of me that thinks like I should have some sort of solutions or I should kind of like, you know, serve their anger. And I find that I could probably, Because the anger is not as tangible yet.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And you still don't know who he is, really. I still don't know. But he's just. I still don't know. But he's being nice to you.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, that's hilarious. And what's your mom thinking?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. And so, and then the next thing you know, they shot it in Sri Lanka? Yeah.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. And every day must have been just amazing.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Because, you know, you don't know anything about this process.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And you were just a natural at it, I guess. Yeah.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
What was it about him? He just trusted him and he'd kind of make it clear what you needed to do?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. That must have been so exciting. So you do the shoot and then, like, you just wait. You're like, I don't know. You know, like, I mean, you didn't know what the movie was going to look like.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I think I think a lot of people are still traumatized and terrified and in a certain amount of shock and unable to really figure out how to navigate in the brains that they had before this presidency in terms of what they believed in. And you got to hold on to what you believe in and apply it wherever you can.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Big screen. With 1,400 people. And they loved it.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
That was a huge movie. Yeah. Now, after you did The Temple of Doom. Is Harrison in touch with you?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. That's sweet. Yeah. So The Goonies, now you're on fire. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes. Two out of two. Can you believe that? Do you at any point train at all a little bit? No. No. You just kind of went with it.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But you had these other parts and you were in Encino Man with Pauly? Yeah, with Pauly, with Sean, Sean Astin. Brendan Fraser, was he in that?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So after, but after The Goonies, it became, you knew a big difference. There was a big difference in how you were being cast.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And when does it get to the point where it's heartbreaking?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And you've got agents. Yeah, that's tough. Your agents are telling you, don't worry, you know, we're going to send you out on, it's just constantly talking you up. Even getting the agent on the phone was hard.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But nonetheless, performing for them, like I just had to tell them, I said, look, you know, this is how I feel. This is what I believe is going on. It's not good. I'm on your team. But let me try to entertain you in the way that I can. And this is sort of a first for me. The idea that acknowledging the state of things and then kind of just trying to entertain.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Oh, my God. It's such a... A unique story because, you know, generally, I would say more so than not, it doesn't really end that well for child actors.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
In terms of, you know, where their life goes. It's hard. Right. Because they change physically. And, you know, what you're known for is gone because you were a kid.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So when do you figure out that you want to stay in show business, but you have to figure out a way to do it that doesn't involve acting as much?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And you have no real control over your life. Yeah. You're just waiting for someone to make a decision. Yeah.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. I mean, so how did you, like, decide what changed? What did you do?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Oh. You could have got a good letter of recommendation there, it seems.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Just try to do things yourself. That's pretty noble. Yeah. Well, when you graduated, you got a film degree, you did some shooting, you made some movies in college.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Like, I always want to talk, but I generally feel like I have a point. And I generally feel like a lot of my material is. is pointed, but I'm doing some bits that I think are, you know, story driven and personal, but, but entertaining. And I was very conscious of the idea of let's acknowledge what's happening. Let's agree on what, what that we can do, what we can.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But was the plan to direct or was it when you got out?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Now, when you were in college, did you make films?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Did you know anything about it other than being a kid actor?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Because you knew the moves. We knew the moves.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I know. I can see it. And you're definitely on top of it. I imagine you had to do some training.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And then like, you know, if you're here to see me and you like me, I'll, I can be entertaining. I'll do some entertaining, right? And I don't think I've taken the stage with the idea of being an entertainer ever. I mean, I somehow sometimes differentiate between being a stand up comic and being an entertainer. But once I was on the same page and, you know, I kind of we eased into it.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And when you were doing the coordinating, did you become, like when you worked for that guy, did you eventually become your own coordinator?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Well, yeah, because the movie's played for, you know, it is played for comedy. Yeah. And the characters are very, you know, well-defined, you know, even the bad guys, to the point where, you know, one of them's a poet. Yeah. And so each individual, it's interesting how it's written like that, because each individual...
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
outside of maybe one of them, you know, you get a very strong sense of their little backstory.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And so, and they're kind of comedic because they're, you know, it's an ironic juxtaposition between what this guy does and you got the guy who's having a hard time with his wife. The other guy is a misunderstood poet. You know, one guy's your brother and then there's a bad guy.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But, you know, you really entering any fight scene outside of the choreography having an arc, you've got these guys who you have, you kind of get them as comedic characters.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, yeah. And it was kind of funny because I was noticing there was a period there where these movies, like, didn't kill as many people.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
You know you're right. It is a comedy, a romantic comedy on some level. And I kept thinking about the cop movies in the 70s where they just destroy an entire city. But then there was a period where comedy cop movies, they'd hurt guys, but very rarely did they kill them. And in this movie, some guy catches a bullet in the head that didn't even have it coming. You know what I mean?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, yeah. But before this movie, you know, so had you given up on acting totally once you became involved with the coordinating? So you were okay with your life? You were making a living? Yeah.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But you didn't know, you couldn't have figured out a way back in, really, right?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
We knew what we were up against. And, you know, it's let's just be entertaining. Can we do it? And it was kind of rewarding. I don't really know what's going on, but there's something now that I'm doing the hours again, I'm generally doing about an hour and a half. I don't know. I've hit a zone with it. It's kind of new, but it's good.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Right, right, yeah. At your age, what would you do?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But they knew who you were. They knew who I was. Everybody knew.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah. So, like, this is just crazy, though. So, like, how does... You know, how does everything everywhere all at once happen? You know, I mean, it's crazy.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
That's not a happy thing. I imagine it's bittersweet in some ways.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And, you know, thank God, even at this age, I'm seeing some change. Not much, not really any regression, but some change in my approach. And I got tour dates coming up. I even added some shows. There's now a second show in Toronto at the Winter Garden on Saturday, May 3rd. Burlington, Vermont. I'll be at the Vermont Comedy Club.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And it was for that part? It was for that part, yeah. So you had the size.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, yeah. And so you went in and you were kind of confident a little bit?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I don't need to hear that anymore. Yeah. Well, my girlfriend is she said you were the first age appropriate movie star that she had a crush on because she's younger than me. But when she was a kid, she had a crush on you. Really? And you're actually in her age range. Wow.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
For three shows, two shows on May 5th and one show on Tuesday the 6th. We added that one on Monday. And I'll be in Portsmouth, New Hampshire at the Music Hall on Wednesday, May 7th. Tickets for all those shows are on sale now. You can go to WTFpod.com slash tour. I'm in Iowa City at the Ingward Theater on Thursday, February 13th. Des Moines, Iowa at the Hoyt Sherman Place on Friday, February 14th.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Sure, sure, because they want to see you do it a couple of different ways.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So they had you in the room a long time and then you left.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
On the second, when you went in the second time, did they have you read with other actors?
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, yeah. And you got it. Yeah. And then you got an Oscar. And I got an Oscar.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
It's so fucking crazy. Yeah, isn't it? Well, what was beautiful about it, other than you did a great job and the movie was spectacular and unique and great, but it was one of these things where Hollywood and everybody who knew you from when they were kids, you're like, what a great story. What a great ending to that story. It's not an ending, but this full circle thing.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
It's a full circle moment, yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, but oddly, you know, you maintain some of the look.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Well, no, but like you're not unfamiliar. You know, they didn't look at you and go like, you know, that's the same guy. You still have something about you that's the same. Because a lot of child actors, you're like, oh, my God.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Kansas City, Missouri at the Midland Theater on Saturday, February 15th. Asheville, North Carolina at the Orange Peel on Thursday, February 20th. Nashville, Tennessee at the James K. Polk Theater on Friday, February 21st. Louisville, Kentucky at the Baumhardt Theater. I hope I don't Baumhardt. I can't not do that. At the Baumhardt Theater on Saturday, February 21st.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
It's okay. So he won all the awards, and it was all very exciting. And you had that reunion with Harrison. Yeah. And you hadn't seen him in years? No.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
It's unbelievable. And now you're back in it.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Well, this movie, the new one, Love Hurts, it's a fun movie. It's all you. You're doing the thing. It's funny. It's kind of crazy.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Yeah, and that's what this one comes in at like an hour 20, hour 20.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
What a story, right? What a sweet guy. Again, his new movie, Love Hurts, opens in theaters this Friday. Hang out for a minute, folks.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
In Lexington, Kentucky at the Lexington Opera House on Sunday, February 22nd. I'm coming to Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina, Illinois, Michigan, on into New York City in May to record my HBO special. You can go again to WTFpod.com slash tour for all my dates and links to tickets.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So, people, listen. I had one of the biggest recording artists in the world here in the garage last week. She's also nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress. And before you hear my talk with Ariana Grande next week, you can hear me preview it tomorrow. on the full Marin with Brendan. I brought up that thing that I wrote down the other day, that ambition is not a point of view.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And she found that very enlightening somehow that, you know, her intention early on was to sing. It was not to make money. It was not to make a pop, you know, a hit single, you know, that she wanted to sing. And I think what,
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
What struck me towards the end of the conversation, which I think is a very great part of the interview, was that when she was auditioning for this role, that she had the wherewithal. You know, to work with a vocal coach and to work with an acting coach. I mean, this is Ariana Grande, who has certainly has complete control of her instrument rights for what she does.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But she realized that, you know, this the character of Glinda and what it required vocally was something completely out of her wheelhouse. It was it was operatic. And it was, you know, a different type of octave and a different type, a completely different type of control necessary to do justice to this character. That it was not in her wheelhouse to sing for this role.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
So she had to very deliberately separate characters. you know, everything that she is in order to honor the role of Glenda and learn how to sing appropriately for this type of role in this type of singing. You can hear the rest of that tomorrow.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
If you're a full Marin subscriber and everyone will hear the Ariana Grande episode next Monday to subscribe to the full Marin, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTF pod.com and click on WTF plus. And a reminder before we go, this podcast is hosted by ACAST. Boomer lives. Monkey and the Fondek had angels everywhere.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And yeah, there also is a couple of things here that because of, I don't always know what I'm going to talk about here or make a big plan about. But I think I should mention the passing of David Lynch for a couple of reasons. Kit loves him. And to the point where she used to walk by his house fairly frequently. It was near her place and she was, you know, exercising.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But she, you know, has sort of made me reassess some of the movies that I might not have gotten before. But I always was impressed with David Lynch. And we lost a truly visionary guy in that guy. And I'm sort of an outlier, I think, in that. I feel, honestly, that his two best movies are The Straight Story and Elephant Man. And like Kit will not abide by that.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But I've always I've watched all his movies and I've watched some of them a couple of times. And I certainly appreciate his commitment to his vision. And and he was a very unique guy. And and rest in peace, David Lynch and also Marianne Faithfull. Marianne Faithfull, I mean, come on, man. I mean, Marianne Faithfull was one of the great interpreters of song.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I mean, have you ever heard her version of Working Class Hero? I mean, the arc of who she is and what she became, I guess it was back in the 60s, she got involved with the Stones, and I think that might have beat her up a little bit. But Broken English is a life-changing record for me, and she's just... in that period was very menacing and very kind of intense and almost haunting.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But she made like a record a year for decades. I mean, there's a lot of records here on small labels, but I did want to acknowledge her passing because she's somebody I thought about a lot, even without a full acquaintance with her. All of her music. But the weird thing about Mary I'm Faithful for me was that after I left L.A.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
and got clean the first time back in the late 80s and moved back to Boston, I was working at the Coffee Connection. This woman used to come in like almost every morning and just sit by herself and have a French press of coffee. And she looked just ravaged. And I was kind of fascinated with her.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And after a month or two of that, or maybe it was a lesser time, somebody at the place told me it was Mary Ann Faithful. And I didn't really know, you know, much about her at that time. But that's when I started to get hip to her. And apparently, I think she was over at McLean's Psychiatric Hospital trying to get clean or doing whatever. Right.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
But I just remember just every time she walked in, there was a depth to the darkness in her being that I had never seen before. And I was kind of fascinated with. And that sort of continued and does continue every time I listen to her music. So I do want to say, you know, rest in peace to Marianne Faithfull as well. It's very interesting in...
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
San Luis Obispo at the Fremont Theater, which was an old movie theater. It's kind of a rock club vibe now. But nonetheless, during the show, right up front, I was talking about politics a bit or about my reaction to what's happening. And some guy out front mouthed up about how he felt it was – You know, the right thing. And I could not understand what he was doing at my show.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
It was just a fairly standard kind of probably a guy in his mid to late 30s, just a broken boy in some sort of alpha husk. That, you know, he was kind of maneuvering through life. And, you know, I kind of went at him a bit, but I, you know, I tried to keep it on the level.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I didn't I didn't want to sink the show just because, you know, one guy who decided to vocalize his support for some policy decisions currently, you know, specifically getting all the immigrants out of our country. And I just gently asked him, well, not gently, maybe aggressively, but with some curiosity, whether he had any empathy for those people at all or even saw them as people.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And he aggressively said he did. And then I kind of listed the other things that, you know, he had signed on for in terms of, you know, it's kind of hard to be a single issue voter, you know, for a fascist regime because you kind of are, you know, you sign on for one, you sign on for all of it. And that's what you are. That's who you are. That's what you were part of.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fuck, Knicks? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. How's everybody holding up out there? What is going on? Nothing good. But, you know, I'm here. That's okay, right? I'm okay. I'm good, I guess. Right now, I'm having a good few minutes as we enter this episode of this show.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
You can't sort of separate it after a certain point because, you know, it's on you. But I couldn't understand what he was doing there. And it turns out his girlfriend was a fan and she brought him. And I couldn't understand why she did that necessarily. They were sitting right up front.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And after I kind of went at it with the guy, he looked at me with kind of like amazed, but yet slightly angry eyes that I was saying what I was saying to him. And then he pouted for the entirety of the show. I wouldn't call it. Yeah, I would call it pouting. You know, he just did everything he could to, you know, visibly look like he wasn't paying attention to me, going to his phone a bit.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And I did not give him any more juice. But I did. I told him I appreciated his complete detachment from the situation. And I don't know if she was took him there to make a point, whether it was early on their relationship or I'm not sure what happened after the show. But that's not my story to tell. But I just kind of handled it the way, you know, like a person.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And I think that's probably a better way to do it. And, you know, move on for the people that are there to be entertained by my new commitment to being an entertainer at this particular juncture in history. I will say this about my Monterey stop. I did go to the aquarium and holy shit, man. I love looking at fish. I don't know what it is about me. I've always liked looking at fish.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
I did learn one thing. I went on a Saturday to the Monterey Aquarium, which is one of the best aquariums in the world, apparently. But it was Saturday. And one thing I realized fairly quickly is that the life of sea creatures and sea animals is beautiful and amazing. But human beings, not so much. Not so much.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
Just looking at these graceful, stunning fish and then just seeing hundreds of humans with their human children just wandering around spreading germs. And, you know, I don't know. I was glad I could lock into the jellyfish. And also, it was the first time I'd been to an aquarium since I've been a vegan. So it was kind of it was kind of I felt kind of proud to be there as an ally.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And I say that in a humorous way. Please don't get worked up. But yeah, I am an ally to the animals because I do not eat them anymore. Not the reason I got into it, but it does change your perception of animal life. So that was a nice day trip. When I got the opportunity to speak to Ki Hui Kwan, you know, I kind of jumped at it because I'd heard some of his story.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And it is a tremendous arc to be a refugee, to end up in one of the biggest movies ever, and then to sort of disappear into the wilderness for as many years as he did and then come back. you know, 30, 40 years later and win an Oscar, it's an amazing Hollywood ending or middle or we'll see how it goes. But I knew it was an amazing story and he's a sweet guy and he seemed like a sweet guy.
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Episode 1614 - Ke Huy Quan
And I was kind of thrilled to talk to him. His new movie, Love Hurts, opens in theaters this Friday. But this conversation with him was kind of beautiful. So this is me talking to Ki Hui Kwan.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
It's funny because when you do make a mistake with the razor, you've got to adjust. You've got to accept it.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Oh ja, aber ich schäbe auch und ich schaffe es nicht. Du stoppst es nicht zu bemerken. Ja. Und dann fühlen die Leute eine Druck, um dich zu komponieren.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Oh, Botox. Ich habe das noch nie gemacht. Hast du das gemacht? Nein. Oh, nein, du wirst es nicht machen. Nie. Nein. Well, thank you for coming. Thank you for having me here, very much. I watched a few movies. I did watch Queer last night. Oh, wow. Great. And I watched it and I studied it. Great.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
And then I watched... I just want to make sure I'm honest with you in terms of... I watched Challengers. Great. And I watched A Bigger Splash. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I was... I'm gonna get into Suspiria. And we watched the original one. Yeah. So... Wann hast du das Original gesehen? Nicht lange. Aber es gibt etwas, auch in Queer, es gibt etwas über die saturierten Farben, die aus Argento kommen, oder?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Look, I've gotten some emails from people, you know, some people are like, wow, it's amazing you speak so nicely, you know, of spending time with your dad because of, in light of some of the things you've said. Look, I've busted my dad's balls for as long as I can remember having the guts to do it. And it bought me some space, folks. It bought me some space.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Than Dario's. Just like colors. I can't even understand what he was doing. But it was something, huh?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Aber was ist es mit Horror im Allgemeinen? Ich meine, als du ein Kind warst, warst du so, ich bin ein Horror-Typ. Großartig, ja. Ich kann es sehen und ich kann es intellektuell beeinflussen, aber was ist es, das mit diesem speziellen Genre verbunden ist?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
So it's not really about fear and it's not about like what horror is now, which is just shocking, but there's something about the grotesque. und die Möglichkeiten davon, die für dich menschlich erscheinen.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Do you live in Italy now? Yeah. So, okay, so give me a little, some tips on living in authoritarianism.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja, in dich. In dich selbst. Ich denke, das ist, weil ich ein Comic bin, also habe ich darüber gesprochen auf der Bühne, dass es egal, was die Schreien von jemandem sind, ob sie Lefter oder Liberale sind, dass die Menschen eventuell sich adaptieren werden. Ja. Weil es die Natur der Menschen ist.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Und ich habe diese Linie am letzten Abend geschrieben, ich habe gesagt, schau auf und behalte deinen Kopf. Es ist einfach, wenn du ein Handy hast.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But now he doesn't really remember that stuff. What a gift. What a gift. There's always these moments when somebody has a, when their brain is addled with whatever and they're, it just becomes this bingo cage of memories.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Yeah, or not think about it. Even worse. But in speaking about the arts in relation to whatever you grew up in in Italy, I mean, is... Ich habe dieses Gefühl, weil wenn du ein Künstler bist, glaubst du, dass das Kunstwerk einen politischen Zweck hat und Möglichkeiten für Veränderung. Aber weil der technologische Umfeld so ist, weiß ich nicht, ob das jetzt wahr ist.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
It's reflecting something, whether you're morally in agreement with it or not. That it is doing something. It is either in service of the ruling ideology or pushing back as a reflection of it in a critical way. Agreed. So when you do, like I was trying to find what is important to you when you're exploring human emotions, desires, the idea of love and that kind of stuff.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
That seems to be the meat of what you're doing when you put people together.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
It's just the nature of people. It's why Jesus is so popular. Everybody is like, I'm obscene, but he'll take care of it. So when you're making a movie like that, I mean, the Ray Fiends character, he seems to be based on a guy who is essential in music, a manager, a producer, the promoter, yeah, the Stones. But the Stones are all over that thing.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
He reminded me too of that manager who was famous, the Led Zeppelin manager. That guy, I forget his name, but he was, you know, he was one of those characters. Okay.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Some blank, some not, but there's still moments to be had where you hang out and it's surprising and it kind of strips down the person to a point where, yeah, I mean, they're not who they were, but, you know, the raw memories Mechanism of it is sort of who they are. And you can still sort of see yourself in them and maybe work some stuff out. You know, it's still a time for connection.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Okay, also Sie haben die Steine in die 70er-Jahre entschieden.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich meine, es ist nicht so, als würdest du nichts, aber die Steine feiern. Ja. Bis zu dem Punkt, wo Emotional Rescue am Boden des Pooles ist, um irgendeinen Grund. Ja. Ja. Wer hat das da drin?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Weißt du, wer das da drin hat? Ich würde sagen, Paul, oder?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja, die Tochter. Weil sie das ganze Ding gesehen hat.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich dachte, das war die am meisten zerstörerische Liste in diesem Film, auch wenn Tilda Swinton nicht sprechen konnte. was her willingness to blame it on the refugees. Oh my God, yes. Thank you.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
It's scary, but it speaks to class and it speaks to this sort of, you know, it's like that, you know, the Renoir movie, right? The Discreet Charm and the Bourgeoisie.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Which is what you said before. Going head down on that phone. That's right.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Well, even now, I talk to at least Democrats who are trying to sort of process the Trump victory. And two or three of them have ended up, well, my stocks are probably going to be better. Yeah.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Faschismus ist gut für das Geschäft, weil das Geschäft nichts zu tun hat. Wo kommt das Geld her?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Cheney was like the devil at the time. It's just that he's been outdone as the devil. So I guess you picked the devil you know over this other monster. I mean, it was a bad campaign choice. But for you, when you're growing up in Italy, politically, how active were you? When did your heart break politically?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
And I believe I'm getting something out of it. I know he is. I know his wife is. And yeah, so that was my Thanksgiving. Now I got to somehow get down to Florida to see my mother. That's next. It's hard to even get her on the phone these days. I just don't think she has it with her a lot anymore. I have to call the caregiver to get through to the mom just to say like, what's happening?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Well, yeah, well, it's sort of like Kennedy here. I think that, you know, once the 60s happened, it destroyed something. Yeah.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich glaube, ja. Aber ich meine, wenn Sie denken, sicher, ich meine, weil, wie Sie gesagt haben, wenn Sie ein Arzt sind und Sie arbeiten in Beziehung zu oder unter den regierenden Kräften, die antithetisch sind, was Sie glauben, wird es herauskommen. Aber es gab keine Art von, das ist das, was das betrifft.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Yes, and to expand from it. Deine Interpretation, wie bei jeder guten Arbeit, wächst und wächst, je älter man wird. Ich denke so.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
What is happening, Ma? What's happening? So today, look, today is interesting because, you know, I knew some of this director's work, Luca Guadagnino. I believe I'm saying that right. You know, I will double check Luca. I will double check my point of reference. Luca Guadagnino. I did it. That's Brendan. Brendan's sending me the pronunciation. Luca Guadagnino.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Und Burroughs ist ein Typ, den du jedes Jahr wiederholen musst, um zu erkennen, dass du nicht verstehst, worüber er spricht.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich glaube, er ist sehr kryptisch. Ist das nicht so? In dem, dass du... Du gehst da rein. Also alles, was zu dir gesprochen hat, als du 17 warst, musste eine Art von Narrativstruktur sein, über die Erfahrung dieses Charakters. Und dann, weißt du, die anderen Sachen, ob es Raumreise ist oder Entschädigung oder flotten über was auch immer. Ich meine, das ist da. But that stuff is poetry.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
And, you know, you're going to have to go into that at every different point in your life to try to navigate it. Because it seems like when you did the movie, that this was a story about a longing guy. A guy who was longing constantly. And in the predicament of a gay man at that time, you know, not knowing, you know, whether or not someone... Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich dachte, dass Sie das zusammengefasst haben, weil Sie natürlich wussten, dass Sie Burroughs charakterisiert haben. Ich habe ihn nur ein paar Mal gesehen. Ich denke, dass Cronenberg einen Lunch gemacht hat. And I think Ben Foster played him in Little Darlings, which was not a bad movie, about the Lucian Carr murder. And so I've been fascinated with him since I was very young, with Burroughs.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But to see him as a guy who was... Kind of a clown and kind of vulnerable and then have this other mental and emotional life, but also the fantastic imagination that he had. But I think to speak to what you're talking about, about the nature of love, desire and true connection, when you have somebody who's fundamentally a drug addict,
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Es ist schwer, nicht alle Interaktionen durch diese Kompulsion zu betrachten, richtig? Absolut.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Vielleicht. Vielleicht, oder er mag es einfach, hoch zu gehen. Ich meine, es gibt viele Unterschiede. Es gibt viele Wege, um hoch zu gehen. Ich meine, Schmerzmanagement. Du weißt, wie er dazu gekommen ist.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja. All his life. Did you ever see that animated piece, The Junkies Christmas? No. Oh, it's so good. Oh, no. That's the title, Junkie Christmas? I think it's called The Junkies Christmas, and it's sort of done in almost that claymation thing. But it's a short, and it's about a guy who's trying to score on Christmas Eve. Es ist ein wunderschöner kleinen Film.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Wir können ihn später finden, aber ihr solltet ihn sehen. Ich denke, Burroughs narriert das ganze Ding. Er ist manchmal wie ein echter Komedian. Aber in der Erfindung dieses Films, weil ich denke, ich habe es. Es ist kein einfaches Film. Ja.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But it's interesting in Queer that Er geht auf eine sehr lange Reise und eine große Reise, um mit dieser nebulösen Sache zu verbinden, was Liebe oder Eternität ist, oder etwas, was außerhalb von uns existiert, das uns alle verbindet, auch nachdem wir weg sind. Ich meine, es gibt viele Dinge, die dort erforscht werden, richtig?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Weil ich denke, dass die rekreierende Sache über Telepathie wirklich um Verbindung geht. Total.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
I had seen Call Me By Your Name and I found it moving and bold and poetic and provocative. Sexy. But I didn't really know his other stuff. And, you know, the opportunity came to interview him. And I hadn't seen Challengers yet. And I didn't really know his work that well, other than, you know, Call Me By Your Name. So I had to kind of get into it.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Aber die Realität davon ist, dass es dieser Mann ist. Wie, du weißt, im Endeffekt, was Burroughs darüber geht, und ich weiß nicht, was er damals geschrieben hat, aber er hat sicherlich eine gute Menge Bücher geschrieben. Also war seine Vorstellung komplett entdeckt. Aber in deinem Film, du weißt, das ist ein Kerl, der scheint, du weißt, auf menschlicher Ebene, für etwas zu wünschen.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Und wenn du seine Bücher liest, ohne ihn zu kennen und ihn sogar mit seinen Waffen oder einem Show zu sehen, ich habe ihn nie wirklich als einen sorten, wie ein, wie ein trauriger Typ, du weißt, voller Leidenschaft und Vulnerabilität, du weißt, ich habe ihn nie, ich habe ihn nie so beschrieben, also das war ein interessanter, weil ich denke, du bist wahrscheinlich richtig. Ich bin richtig?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Right, but then you were pretty good at weaving in some sort of burrowisms that remain unexplainable.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Oh yeah, and he spends a lot of time on toxins. Yeah. Well, to look at that as all a kind of reaction to his own feelings that couldn't be expressed otherwise. Honestly, is interesting. And I guess it makes it, like the cut-up method is incomprehensible most of the time.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja, ich bin ein großer Fan von der letzten Trilogie mit den Plätzen der Toten Straßen. Schön. Das ist das Beste. Das Western ist das Beste. Und die Städte der Roten Nacht. Schön. Und was ist es, das Buch der Toten? Western Lands.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
And he did this new movie, Queer, which I'd heard about. I knew Daniel Craig was in it, but I didn't realize it was an adaptation of the William Burroughs book. And I love William Burroughs. William Burroughs for me is like this never, it's a chasm that narrows as it deepens. It's just a portal into things that I can sometimes understand, sometimes I can't.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja. Well, yeah, because that's like, you know, at that age he's returning to, you know, whatever's left of what drove him in queer in a way.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja, Liebe. Also er ist da. Das hat einen langen Zeitraum gedauert, oder? Einen langen Zeitraum, 83 Jahre alt. Ich denke, du sprichst dazu ein bisschen am Ende, dass er auf dem Bett ist.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich möchte dich nicht als Entschuldigung nehmen. Es ist ein bisschen... Das erinnert mich an die Veränderung der Staaten.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich habe bemerkt, als du sie auf dem Yates-Trip gedreht hast, die Ayahuasca-Trip, und sie wenden sich in Beine und du kannst die Hände sehen.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Because I really felt that in the end of Altered States where he's matter and she's anti, whatever was going on there. Für die Liebe, um ihn zurückzubringen. Ja. Er ist da draußen gegangen, weil er auf der Reise in Queer war. Ich meine, sie sind da draußen im gleichen Ort.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
I'll tell you though, man, I've watched her in all the Mike Lee movies and I watched her in Phantom Thread. You got something out of her I've never seen before.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Oh, they're the best. But she's such an amazing actress. And even that cute one where she plays a lady who gets to go to Paris and buy the dress. I don't remember what it was. It was a cute movie. And it wasn't too long ago. But she was doing this thing. Was it like Texan? Yeah. Who decided that?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But I've been fascinated with William Burroughs most of my adult life. And I've made attempts at reading him and I have read him and I've gotten through a lot of stuff, but some of it is very challenging. But I'm obsessed with William Burroughs. So when I heard that this movie was an adaptation of the William Burroughs story, I was like, holy shit, I had no idea.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But she's got the guns. Yeah. And it's part of her language. Yeah. Which is fundamentally American. Yeah. Ja, und sie fand das Lachen, sie fand all diese wunderschönen Mimiken. Es ist unglaublich.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Aber das ist so, ich denke, was es für mich gemacht hat, als jemand, der mit Burroughs gespielt hat, und auch einfach, es humanisiert etwas über all sein Werk, dass, du weißt, am Ende des Tages, nachdem sie auf dem Ayahuasca-Trip gehen und was auch immer passiert, ist, dass, du weißt, sie beide in sich selbst landen Und der andere Mann sagt, ich bin nicht queer.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Richtig, aber ich fühlte, nach einem bestimmten Punkt sagt Burroughs alles, was notwendig ist.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
No, I got that, yeah. But I did think that the Burroughs character, Daniel Craig, was going to do whatever is necessary to maintain connection. Yeah, everything. And I think that other guy, what's his name? The actor? Indeed the actor. Drew Starkey. What an amazing job. Amazing job. I mean, it was mind-blowing. Mind-blowing. Beautiful job.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ich dachte wirklich, dass es ziemlich durchschnittlich und wunderschön war. In Bezug darauf, dass die Konversation wirklich direkt mit Burrows Interessen beginnt. Wie Spionage während der 2. Weltkriege zwischen ihnen. Ja. Ja, und ich dachte mir, okay, das ist Burrows Territorium. Aber dann riechst du diese Läufer weg. Du sagst also, dass das Buch, weil ich das Buch nicht so gut kenne,
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But, you know, it ends with Dr. Cotter. And then, because in the end, when you have this Burroughs character aging and lonely in sort of a hallucinatory state, you know, in the motel, looking in the motel, you know, the sort of otherworldliness, is that, you know, he's old and seemingly dying on that dirty hotel bed. And then you bring in You know, the scene that took place with his wife.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
In real life, the William Tell business. What was the discussion around needing to put that part of his life in the movie?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
So it turned out to be a very engaged conversation. And I watched some of his other movies. I watched A Bigger Splash. I did watch Challengers, which is a great movie. These are the kind of movies that, you know, in the world that we're heading into, where the dominant culture is cultureless. And, you know, the sort of idea of the Western canon and what's important in terms of culture.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Hoffentlich. Ja, aber ich denke, der Risiko ist, dass du zurückkommen willst. Du willst, dass du Reisen machen kannst.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Well, you lose yourself and then you kind of disintegrate over time in service of the other person.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But you obviously thought it all out. I mean, because even at the beginning of the movie, where he's trying to... I don't remember which character was talking about the sort of all living things are ultimately the same. They're all connected.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja, und Wünsche, die nicht erfüllt werden können. Ja, oder die nicht akzeptiert werden können. Richtig. Also kommt das daraus. Und das ist wirklich das, wofür er fährt, fast das ganze Film. Ja. Das ist die Akzeptanz und die Aktualisierung von Wir sind alle verbunden.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
you know, what builds a mind, what builds a life, what is art, is just slowly, if not quickly, being bulldozed by bullshit and dünnes Momentum. Wo stehen diese Filme? Wer sind sie für? Was tun wir? Wird die Kunst uns retten? Das sind Fragen, die ich mir immer frage.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Das ist richtig. Und dann endest du in diesem wunderschönen, hallucinatoren Zustand. Ja. Ja.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Bring you to another world. So this is the same guy that wrote Challengers. Now, watching the movie Challengers, because I actually watched it in pieces, which was interesting. Okay. Because you do separate things into acts or pieces with the tournaments.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But the interesting, the thing I thought was beautiful is that no matter where that movie goes or in terms of how you're taking it in, that there is a bookend to it that is a callback, which is her primal scream at the acknowledgement of love.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Die Ungewissheit, dass sie aus der sexuellen Eskapade rauskommt. Und sie das nicht wissen. Aber sie sind nicht bereit, ihr ganzes Leben lang zu erkennen, wie tief das Liebe ist. Absolut. Es ist eine Form von Repression. Ich denke immer darüber nach. Über Repression? Ja. Aber ist es ein Spektrum davon, das notwendig ist?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Well, I don't know. I think it becomes, for me, whether it's based in... real threat or something rooted in trauma, I think that repression is a survival tool of some kind.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Das ist eine furchtbare Sache für manche Leute.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Well, that's just interesting to me that I'm just thinking about it. And also, I think shame plays into this idea of repression. Completely. It's all about that too. And that, you know, shame as a driver... You know, you're not in the cinema of that. But the struggle of religious shame and transcending it was a driver for a lot of filmmakers.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
So, you know, when that shame becomes nebulous, for whatever reason, you've grown to decide that you yourself are not good enough or not whatever. So you put that driver in. I got this all from... Von einem Buch über Psychologie. Okay, aber ich mag das sehr. Von einem Buch über Psychologie. Okay, aber ich mag das sehr.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Wenn sie uns nicht retten, gibt es uns eine Leitlinie zu dem, was wichtig ist oder provokativ oder inspirierend oder bewegend ist in einer ehrgeizigen Weise. You know, I fear for it because, you know, I'm lazy myself. I don't engage as much as I should. I feel like that I have to, you know, with the art. Go take it in. Go get, go put yourself in front of it. Es gibt viel Mut in diesem Thema.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
dass wenn du ein junger Mensch bist, dein Gehirn dich nicht erlauben kann, deine Eltern zu schulden, weil sie deine Eltern sind und sie perfekt sind. Also schuldest du dich selbst und installierst eine Stimme in deinem Kopf, das ist ein Surrogat-Vater, der dir deine Scheiße erzählt.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Family can be tricky. Yeah, tricky. But I just think that the way shame and desire kind of coexist and confuse themselves is something that is not your experience, but I think that is the experience of a lot of people.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so painful, right? It's painful, but is it shame or is it rejection?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Oh, the Atherton guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, he does. Yeah. But Burroughs is not shame. No. Right. No. Interesting. So with Challengers... Was war der Kern des Films?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
And all these characters were defined in a very specific way. Yeah. The kind of, you know, sexy, not give a fuck guy. Yes. And then the, you know, the more sort of practical, controlled, not as confident guy. Perfect. And then, you know, the woman who, she's an interesting character, right?
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Richtig, weil ihre Charaktere direkt aus der Tür weiß, was los ist.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Richtig, aber am Anfang, als sie sagt, ich will kein Homewrecker sein. Ja, sie versteht alles. Ja, also sie setzt die Situation auf, aber ich habe nicht das Gefühl, dass sie mit der Intention war, sie bessere Tennis-Spieler zu machen. Das ist eine Metapher.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Aber ich dachte, es war ein sehr überraschendes Ende, weil du nicht wirklich weißt, wer am Tor gewinnt.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Der Film war ein großer Erfolg. Das ist großartig. Der größte Erfolg meiner Karriere. Oh, das ist unglaublich. Und wenn du über Queer und ein Publikum denkst, was denkst du? Ich denke an junge Menschen.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Aber ich habe einen größeren Splash gesehen, den Sie wirklich sehen sollten, mit Ray Fiennes und Tilda Swinton und Dakota Johnson. Und es ist wie, es ist ein lustiger, toller Film. Und ich brauche mehr von seinen Filmen zu sehen. Er hat sich wieder auf Suspiria gedreht, über die ich gelesen habe. Ich habe den Original gesehen, habe ihn nicht gesehen. Aber nicht nötig zu sagen.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
And when you cast Daniel Craig, what were those conversations like? Er scheint ziemlich bereit zu sein.
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Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Was drin ist, das man nicht ganz erklären kann. Das ist der Trick von Filmstern. Das ist das, was sie haben.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Das ist das gleiche wie mit Chalamet. Du arbeitest mit ihm.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja. Und es hat mich schon lange gedauert, das zu verstehen. Aber es gibt diese Idee, wenn man diese Geschichten liest, wo man Reputierungen hört, dass Filmmusiker schwierig sind oder was auch immer. Es ist nicht immer so einseitig oder so einfach, um zu verstehen, wie schuldig jemand ist, der diesen Job macht.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
In what... How do those manifest? What's usually the difficulty?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
By and large, when I talk to directors, because they are such fully rounded intellects, it's always an exciting conversation for me. So that's going to happen in a few. I'm at Largo in L.A. on Friday, December 13th with the band, with the comedy. Sacramento, California at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th. Napa, California. I'm at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Sie können alles tun, was sie wollen. Ja. Das ist der Grund, warum du den talentierten Leuten nur kleine Teile gibst. Nein, ich habe Glück gehabt. Aber ich habe an Filmen und im Allgemeinen bemerkt, dass es viele kleine Teile gibt, die Leute, die nur effizient sind, machen können.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja, er gab ihnen den Tisch. Er ist ein Fan. Ja, das ist großartig. Was machst du jetzt? Welches Projekt arbeitest du jetzt?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Yeah, yeah. It's interesting in terms of... Wenn du über junge Leute sprichst, denke ich immer an Telefone. Das ist ein bisschen wie eine Plage. Die Idee, dass unsere Gehirne in irgendeiner Art und Weise gebaut wurden, um zu designen, was das jeden Tag zu tun hat.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fucknicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. Pretty great show today, really. Honestly. How are you guys doing? Is everything alright over there? I know the last time I talked to you it was... Das war's für heute. Bis zum nächsten Mal.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Well, yeah. The phone plays a part in the bigger splash, too. There's two phone moments that I thought were great. That phone in the bag that wouldn't stop ringing. That's what being dead looks like now. It's a phone in a bag.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Oh, yeah, there's a phone in a bag. Well, great talking to you. Thank you, Mark. Thanks for doing it. Thank you so much. Yeah. Wow, great, great. Love talking to that guy. Queer is playing in theaters and go check out his other movies as well. Hang out for a minute.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Hey Leute, wenn ihr eure regelmäßige WTF-Listungsroutine wegen der Weihnachten verpasst, dann schaut definitiv meinen Talk mit Steve Fury aus, den wir am Weihnachtsabend veröffentlicht haben. Ein paar wilde, wilde Geschichten über das hier, Leute. Ich liebe den Kerl.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
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WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
I'm going to be in NYC for a couple of days. I'm doing a little music show, a little kind of invite-only benefit music show with Vivino and his fellas. It's going to be something, a little comedy, a little music, going to play some songs. I guess Kingfish is coming down to do a few. It's very all I want, my friends. All I want is to experience something as being exciting and fun.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
As opposed to something that I want to do and nervous and dreading to a certain degree. I can't seem to switch the switch between like, oh fuck, and like, fuck yeah. I just can't seem to switch the switch so it functions properly. I'm gonna have a good time, man. This is gonna be fun. No, it's like, oh fuck, I hope I don't fuck it up. I mean, enough already. I'm old. Enough.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Ja, also, schau, William Burroughs. Ich weiß nicht mal, wo ich mit William Burroughs anfangen kann. Wie ich vorhin gesagt habe, ist er für mich eine unendliche Faszination in so vielen Wegen. Nur sein ganzes Bewusstsein. Und ich kann nicht sagen, dass ich seine Sache vollständig verstehe. But I do remember the first time I saw him. I've talked about it a bit on this show at some other points.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
I remember I was a freshman in college, Curry College, Milton, Massachusetts, Lombard Dormitory, Lombard Hall, whatever, bunk beds. And I had a black and white TV set on top of a dresser. And I just met one of my best friends, Jimmy Loftus. And I had a coffee pot and we were making coffee. And I remember later that night, I was hanging out.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
I can't remember if Jim was with me, but I was watching Saturday Night Live. So this must be 1981. And they bring on this guy. They go, please welcome me, William Burroughs. And he's sitting down at a desk with his hat, this old man. And I didn't know who William Burroughs was. I thought, is this the guy who wrote Tarzan? That's how fucked up I was in terms of what I knew and what I didn't know.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Edgar Rice Burroughs. I thought he was dead. William Burroughs is on SNL sitting there reading a passage from, I believe, Naked Lunch, the Dr. Benway thing. Dr. Benway, ship's doctor. Bring me a new scalpel, nurse. This one's got no edge to it. So, I didn't know what the fuck to make of this guy, but I was in. I was like, it was hilarious, it was dark, it was fucking weird.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
And I just, I was like, who is this old man? And that began the fascination, you know, of, you know, reading Naked Lunch, of reading Junkie, of trying to read some of the cut-up books. There's dozens of books and he's written a few that aren't impossible to read. The trilogy, what is it, Cities of the Red Knight? Place of Dead Roads, Western Lands, those are the last full novels I think he wrote.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Queer was another one, The Soft Boys, I guess I could run a list of them, but there's a lot of experiments, the cut-up method, taking pages of text, cutting them up, rearranging them in a different way to sort of time travel and create magical poetry. He did the Oregon Box business, he was hanging out with Geissen in Morocco, I think, with the Dream Machine.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
You know, and he had this sort of persona of hombre invisible. And, you know, he kind of had this secret agent thing going. He had, you know, it's a multi-level thing. He wrote a book about cats later in life. It's just the intellect, the humor, the experimentation, the art.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
You know, he deals, you know, he's a gay man who dealt very aggressively and interestingly with gay culture at different points in the history of his life. Which Queer is one of them, one of the books and now the movie. There's a rare book that I'm sure is reprinted. You know, he does a lot of thinking about things, about control needs control to survive. Control needs control to survive. What?
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
But there's a book called William S. Burroughs, The Adding Machine, Selected Essays, that I've just always been trying to figure this guy out. Sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't. But I'm like, I'm just reading these essays, like just trying to get into the brain to talk about them. You know, this is from an essay called The Limits of Control. A basic impasse of all control machines is this.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Control needs time in which to exercise control. Because control also needs opposition or acquiescence, otherwise it ceases to be control. I control a hypnotized subject, at least partially. I control a slave, a dog, a worker. But if I establish complete control somehow, as by implanting electrodes in the brain, then my subject is little more than a tape recorder, a camera, a robot.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Or a phone, maybe? Huh? Consider the distinction and the impasse implicit here. All control systems try to make control as tight as possible, but at the same time, if they succeeded completely, there would be nothing left to control. Suppose, for example, a control system installed electrodes in the brains of all prospective workers at birth. Control is now complete.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Even the thought of rebellion is neurologically impossible. No police force is necessary. No psychological control is necessary. other than pressing buttons to achieve certain activations and operations. We're there, folks. God damn it. I love this guy. This is from an essay called The Hundred Year Plan.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Politics is the only area where stupidity and ignorance are brazenly preferred as qualifications for office. And so guided by the least intelligent, the least competent, the least farsighted and most ill-informed, the species invites biological disaster. Other species have come and gone. Dig it. Then he writes about the dinosaurs and then he's got this bit in here where...
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Fellow Reptiles of this dark hour, I do not hesitate to tell you that we face grave problems. And I do not hesitate to tell you that we have the answer. Size is the answer. Increased size. It was good enough for me, parentheses applause, size that will enable us to crush all opposition. Applaus. Applaus. Wild Applause. He writes bits, man. He's a bit guy. A lot of bits.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
The last hurrah of the forced holiday spirit is upon us. Look, I don't know. I had a nice time in New Mexico. There's a heaviness there, obviously, because that's where I was molded. But seeing my father and his wife Rosie was... Was good, man.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
A lot of fucking interesting, dark, provocative stuff. And Luca has done it. Luca Guadagnino has taken on queer and really kind of taken on Burroughs as a person. Und es ist ein sehr interessantes Bild von ihm. Und es war eine große Ehre, mit dem Mann zu sprechen. Der neue Film ist queer. Es spielt jetzt in Theatern. Und es ist ein herausforderndes Film. Und es ist ein trauriges Film.
WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1596 - Luca Guadagnino
Und es hat mich an viele Dinge gedacht. Aber wiederum, meine Faszination mit Burroughs war ein bisschen stimuliert. Und diese Konversation wurde durch das aufgelöst. Das war ich, als ich mit Luca Guadagnino gesprochen habe.