Chapter 1: Who is Marc Maron and why is he significant in podcasting?
We got Mark Maron. This is a republished, polished-up winner that we had. We wanted to let you guys hear again. This is Mark Maron, one of the OG monster podcasters out there.
And one, I don't know the exact history of it, kind of one of the pioneers, along with Marky, Joey Rogan. Marky. Was new. Marky got out there early. But what's interesting about this one, as you listen to it, is he gets to interview Springsteen, Neil Young. Obama was a very big deal, and we talk all about that.
Chapter 2: What notable guests has Marc Maron interviewed on his podcast?
It's a very interesting podcast. Interesting dude.
I think he ended his whole run of his whole podcast with Obama. It's not a bad one to go out with.
yeah that's that's true it was either that or um senator john kennedy was going to be his guess now you were the first podcaster that did i get that right or was it joey rogan i heard a rumor that joe rogan is going to change his last name to joe rogaine and apparently it's a billion dollar contract that would be a good move It's something we would ask Mark Maron about. Yeah.
Right now, you're going to get to listen to one of our golden goldies.
Mark Maron. Here he is.
Are you in the same house? You're in the same. You have not moved since you look familiar.
This is a different house, but the stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all the stuff from that original garage is in this room.
Are you in the same neighborhood? You don't have to tell us your actual address.
You want me to just send you a link to a map where everybody can... No, drop me a pic.
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Chapter 3: How did Marc Maron feel about interviewing Barack Obama?
I live in a very small house. Everything you own owns you back. I'm not into it. You occupy a house. You live in your body. You can't fuck a house. You can't eat it.
I think you can fuck a house. It really just depends on where you enter. I saw a thing on A&E about it.
Comedians don't laugh. They just think of the time. What about the guy that married his car? You know.
I want to start the podcast this way. Every comedian knows this about you. Where were you, David, when you heard that Marc Maron has Barack Obama on his podcast? Because that was like, what the fuck? Because this was early days of podcasting. Right. I remember being blown away by that.
I think most people were still kind of like, what is a podcast exactly? Where do I got to go? Yeah. Totally. It was 2012, right? So it was nowhere. It was 16. Still nowhere. The number of people that used to come to that old house would drive up to my driveway and literally say like, where are we? Is this part of LA? I've never been out here. What are we doing?
Yeah. I can't believe you got him out there because I can't believe you got me out there. I can't believe you got Todd Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger one.
Yeah, Rich Voss was right after Obama. That was tough to get him out. Yeah, it gets hard sometimes.
Was it a ratings drop so much you pulled a muscle?
We just thought it was appropriate to continue what we were doing. We did one episode where me and my producer discussed the day of having Obama on the podcast, and we went right to Rich. And Rich is going to pull what he's going to pull. It's somewhere lower middle. It's okay.
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Chapter 4: What challenges did Marc face when starting his podcast?
Whoever has to follow Obama is just going to be a tough sledding. That's right.
I don't know if he... I don't know if he thought about it like that. Rich is a good guy. I don't think he gives a shit.
So everyone had a podcast now, like literally. So it's you and Rogan, right? 2009. I guess.
It was really like Carolla was there. Rogan, I don't think started at the same. I think Rogan started a little after us, but like Jimmy Pardo was there. Benson was probably there. Maybe Hardwick was like starting out. I think Rogan started a little after me, but there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts.
You know, Todd Gloss is good at not making money. And I think he had one early. He's a good friend of mine.
Right, with Jimmy Dore.
Yeah. So, so that's, but you know, I think what happened with that was he put in all that work and was very forward thinking. And I think got out right before the money, maybe, or does he still do it?
No, I think that's Todd's whole plan in general is to try to get ahead of making the money.
Yeah, that's kind of... What's funny is I used to think a podcast, because he had it in my friend's car shop upstairs, which he just rented, which was perfect. It was perfect. Yeah.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Marc share about the evolution of podcasting?
That's funny.
He's good with a tool. Oh, yeah. But I was like, I got a little bit of a tsunami warning because I remember I thought Corolla's, I think I went on there a little early, where I was like, before the real podcast thing was sort of hitting, which it was sort of a slow...
I could get a feel for it before most people, because everyone else has just got their head doing their work, and they do normal jobs. But I started to go, oh, no, is this something? And then I said, I'm going to wait until it's a little late, and then we're going to try one.
Yeah, no, but the good thing about when you guys got in is somebody realized, like, hey, you guys have names you can't lose. Before, it was like, who the fuck are these guys?
Well, we found a way to lose.
Well, good for you. I don't think anybody really realizes the excitement in, you know, when Corolla was like the only game in town. Like, I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes on to Corolla's show to be talked at by Corolla. Right. That's a good hour of entertainment where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says, okay, well, thanks for coming by.
It's something to experience. We're working on that.
There's room for everybody. But did you have a eureka moment that you could call back on like, holy shit, maybe there's money in this? Because how long did you do it essentially for free before – Money started to arrive.
Hold on. I'm watching my cat throw up. Don't eat plastic.
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Chapter 6: How does Marc Maron handle criticism and feedback from listeners?
you know, make amends where necessary. I think the first hundred episodes are me just having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them. And that's... And it's weird how many times you do that and people go like, I had no idea what you're talking about. And you're like, I'm a fucking idiot. So... So that was how that unfolded.
But the excitement of having Robin on, because that interview seems to be like the only interview like that. Like when he died, it was everywhere because he never talked like that. And those kind of rare conversations definitely happened.
That was interesting because you did... It became very, very real with Robin and he never, you know, he had made amends to me in Mill Valley on a sidewalk just after a show. Yeah. And I didn't know why. For a bid he just stole? Sorry. I just said to him, he had some idea that I took... I said, I tried to do you. You don't understand. I had a trunk of props. I worshiped you.
And I don't know if it was from AA or something like, oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way. You know, it's supposed to be a hug. You're forgiven. I didn't. He thought I had a thing where I named my dick, Mr. Happy, and that he took that for me. I know that's not true. I never did, Mr. Happy. Look where this goes on podcast.
That's hilarious. That was the amends. It wasn't even like some personal affront. It's like, I know you might've called your dick, Mr. Happy. Oh, that's the best.
He said it to me 20 years earlier at Dennis Miller's wedding. We were at the same table. I wonder, perhaps I got Mr. Happy from you. And I go, no. And then it tortured him.
It stuck with him. Well, the funny thing about that interview is I drove up there to Mill Valley to his house. And what I realized, it was the same with Mel Brooks, is that if they don't have more than two people to play to, they're not going to turn it on like that. Like it was just me and Robin. If there had been one other person there, they would have had the Carnegie Hall set.
Yeah. My dick's name is Mr. Sad, and a side note, and no one's stolen it yet.
Ah. Oh.
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Chapter 7: What experiences does Marc have with acting and comedy?
And I don't even know, like I could, I never could pull an audience. And, and, uh, you know, I was, I was going through a divorce. I was in a dark place. I just gotten fired from this radio gig. Uh, what was it? It was a streaming gig for air America. And there were a couple of podcasts out there and we were like, well, let's, Let's figure it out.
I talked to my producer who I've known since he was a kid, 24 years old. He worked with me forever and we just figured it out. But it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, be comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner and match game. Well, maybe.
Yeah, I know. I know.
I have friends that are in that mid-level market. And there's cruise ships and old folks' homes and clubs, off-label clubs out in the hindrance.
Doing what you got to do. It's tough. But I couldn't do it. There was no way I could have done it. How am I going to do a cruise ship? I can barely do, like, what? I don't know. But because of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what, Everything that I have now came from that. Like, you know, doing the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy, acting gigs.
Everything happened because of that sort of act of desperation and Hail Mary pass, which had no future. There was no, I wasn't getting into a business that was like, this is going to, we're going to really make some money on this. It was like, we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it.
Yeah. You were like Bitcoin. Like no one cared.
No one cared. I wasn't. Yeah. I wasn't even a meme at that point, but it worked out. I mean, you know, thank God it worked out. I don't even, I can't even explain it because I don't, I'm not like a big, not a big thing. I don't think about money, David. Yeah. Oh, you don't like having it enough to eat. Yeah.
You know, like that's, that's the, that's how my brain works is like, well, what do you have? You have money now. What do you do? I can eat wherever I want. That's the ceiling.
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Chapter 8: What reflections does Marc have on his career and personal growth?
I'm like, all right, whatever. I just want to, I'll talk to Neil Young. So they sent me the thing and I was told that like, when they get there, you're going to have to give it back. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So Neil Young's coming over. And I'm nervous because it's fucking Neil Young.
And I know that with somebody like him, because I'm not a huge fan, every Neil Young nerd in the world is going to be listening for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something. That's something I've learned with guys like Springsteen, these guys I interviewed. So Neil comes over with his 80-year-old posse. He's got two guys with him that...
You know, it must've been in their seventies. Elliot, his manager who passed away and another guy.
And it's always the manager is even older than the old guy.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Except for George Shapiro, who was Carl Reiner's cousin younger, but still old. I don't even know if he's still alive. Was it called Pono? I think he passed away. Pono.
Yeah.
Pono.
Pono music, digital service.
So they come over and Neil walks in and you remember the house. You said it like, it's just two rooms. He's looking at my records. He looks at a guitar I have out. He goes over and he plays the guitar and he's looking around. And I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the Pomo and the headphones. And Neil just goes, no, you can keep them. So I'm thinking, I'm in.
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