Dana Carvey

Dana. Yeah. What do you got? Well, we have Eliza Schlesinger today, who is a comedian. I actually see a lot down at the old clubs and colleges I play.

By the way, that walk of shame trying to... He's trying to... I'm getting mad too. I'm getting fucking pissed at this guy. If I was at your house talking to you guys and he... Was quietly going in the other room like, where are you going? That's what you'd probably say.

I didn't even mess up the Schlesinger part.

You played an unhoused bum. An unhoused bum. Like when you combine the good and the bad.

Wait, Eliza, is it called Mohonk?

We did a retreat in New York in Mohonk.

It's like up there. Yeah, it's way, way up there. up the Hudson River. Dana, do you remember that? We all went, Eliza. All the cast members went up.

You were there?

You could have been there for three seasons as a 10-year-old feature player, just never got on.

Oh, yeah.

The furniture guy. Yeah. Does she watch Miss Rachel? No. Really? Just never thought about it. I thought that was the big hook.

Oh my gosh. Wow. That's a little scary, right?

Without further ado, here she is. He was like a John Belushi thing. Yeah, you got it going.

It's funny. Next year, it's nine months. She already knows.

That's the pocket.

It's a job.

Oh, I love it.

No, they don't know. They know. I was telling Dana that the Super Bowl has a Roman numeral like 48. I'm like, let me tell you something. No fucking kids know what goddamn Roman. Can we drop it with the Roman numerals? They don't even know what numerals means. They know the word number barely.

It's so true. They're so stupid. They have no idea. So excellent. Eliza, you are... I'm not reading this. Eliza, you from Dallas, but you remember when you were there, you're too young, but my favorite club was the Dallas Improv on Central and Walnut.

Addison is one like next to a freeway.

That's so funny. The Addison Improv, I used to call that. Okay. I played the Addison Improv, but there was a Dallas one and the manager used to take us to the Million Dollar Saloon. Dana, it wasn't a real regular like Old West Saloon.

No, Eliza. It's just they were only allowed to go. I'll tell you what. Paper the room.

Yeah, we had a good thing going. I remember, you won't know this because you're too young, but when I worked there at the Addison Improv, this cute waitress said she dated the drummer for NXS. Now, this is going way back. That's an old band. It's very cool. And we're like, you don't even, know who NXS is. There's not a chance because no one anywhere but LA sees anyone famous. Just never happens.

Right. God, lo and behold, that God dang drummer for NXS comes in the club when I'm there. I'm like, ba, ba, ba, ba, wah. And he said, this ties into you. You got, oh, the comedians, if you want, stay a day and on the night off, we'll all go to see Michael Jackson. What? And he took us to Michael Jackson.

Somewhere in Dallas at some big dome. I was like, oh my God, this is, it sounds like a lie. It might be a lie. Actually, I'm going to back off a little bit.

No, because you reacted too big. So I was like, wait, am I lying?

No, I think it's true.

Oh, yeah. You met him when you were a bus boy.

You ran into Dane Cook at the Beverly Center.

Love Will Ferrell.

That's a good one.

You're so young and you're going to blow away. I'm just wondering where you intersected with Billy Crystal.

What do you, what do you sound like? Was he like this or something?

It was king of the wild frontiers.

At the Y or something?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. literally pita had a good run i mean that pita bread that was a good bit for well like stoner podcast people have to be like oh no is a is a tender mcnugget is a pita a sandwich and you're like the world's on fire yeah i don't i don't know what's literally on fire literally i was gonna say it was too soon but when i said last night to someone Well, this is rude. We'll take it out.

John Hinckley style, more like. I did it.

And so you see him, and you go up, and he's nice to you. That's great.

Which means I'm a weirdo. I'm a weirdo. I'm a comedian equals I'm a weirdo.

It kind of like you're on the same club. Like anytime you're on the backstage comedy store, you walk in a club on the road or you do a guest spot and you see comics, it's all like equal. Everyone's like, hey, hey, hey, what's up?

She grinds it out. Like Nikki, there are these... I'm not going to say these women. Yeah, it's just really these comics just grind it out. And she's good. I think I always see her kill. I follow her a lot. She comes in because she does like three a night and because she's got a special coming out. You know this, the Amazon Prime special.

I feel so bad. I don't want to go. I don't want to go that far. I'm not really in it. I know you're fine, but let's not get off.

That is good, but Dana, she's saying, what if you say no?

I've had people say, I only get 100,000 photos on my phone.

But backstage, let's say, Eliza, you're doing a corporate or regular backstage meet and greet, and they have a professional photographer, right?

So they go, this moves, boom, boom. And then you do it, and then everyone slowly pulls out their phone. After they get the real picture, he goes, Let's just do one on mine. And it just stops everything. And they're like, how do I flip my phone? I'm so nervous. What's my code again? Okay.

No fiddling.

No, they're sidekick.

Suzuki sidekick.

Why did they stop making that sidekick phone? Whatever. I remember Kid Rock had one. I thought he was so goddamn cool. He'd go, it's kind of spins out.

I never had one either. They were too cool.

Is that a 6?

Shuffles were a great idea.

Nice.

But I said, oh, where do you live? And they said, Encino. And I said, oh, did you have any problems with what happened in the Palisades? They said, no. And I said, oh, even the fire doesn't want to go to the valley? And they just stared at me and I go, no, but actually, so it was horrible. So everything, okay. I had to skim over it. You know what I mean?

This is me with David Spade. Actually, I've seen women at dinner and they put down the two phones stacked on each other. I'm like, hook, hook, hooker.

That's what they think, I mean. And then I go, nope, we got a hook alert here.

Never mind.

He's lying, but it's a funny, fictitious scenario.

That is a good flex. It's a flex.

To be fair, you didn't think anything before this. It's an Adam Sandler puffy jacket. Oh, yes.

Women know more about guys' clothes when they walk up and they size it all up. And guys don't even know they're being analyzed. And it's like, yeah, I think this is a pretty good outfit. And they're like later going, did you see the shoes? Yeah, this with that. Yeah. They just know everything.

Do you feel like when I was trying on shit for my stupid special, like, oh, it's guys. It's like- Nobody cares. 90% of the time, a t-shirt and a coat. And it's usually those jackets with no collar or whatever. So I was trying something on, but I don't usually wear coats on stage. I don't do much movements, but I don't want to have any resistance anywhere.

Like it's too tight or you're trying to look good and you're like, I can't really- do what I do and I'll think about it. I'd rather just be loose. So that's why my excuses, I don't look that great on them. Also, I have one coming out in the future.

My stupid special is this garbage. I think it's called this garbage. And I didn't decide what I was wearing because I brought two things to the special and we were backstage and I was doing them both. And I go, this, this. We wound up doing a combo platter because they said, you have five minutes before you go on. So this is what I'm worried about before I go on and the crowd is there.

And they're like, guys, which, what is he walking out? And so we just know for whatever reason. We have to steam it.

They got to steam no matter what you're doing.

I'm going with literally no one cares. Yeah. I'm going with people go, what did he wear in this special? And they're like, oh, did he have any clothes on? We don't even remember. That's how good the material was. We either just laughed at the jokes or we don't. But we go, that means literally nothing. Why guys? That's why I go, I don't really care. Just what do I wear all the time?

People have already decided they like me or they don't. Let's just.

And some females are like, are you a hoodie comic or do you dress up? I almost, you know what I mean?

Hoodie comic.

Very low rise pants.

Eliza, do you remember when I brought you up wrong?

You tell it.

It was in the original room at the comedy store. So I think I brought you up and I said your name wrong, right? Definitely. I said your name wrong. It's a tricky name.

I think I got the first name wrong.

So what, oh yeah. So I felt so bad because it was very unprofessional. Even though intros are always screwy, like Bobby Lee's coming in this idiot, blah, blah, blah. He's my dad, you know. It's always screwy. Forget, mess up the credits. But I said her name wrong. I didn't know her enough to do her name wrong. And then I, oh, Adam Egott was working there. So I said, can I get Eliza's email maybe?

Just to apologize for doing that.

Is Encino the nice version? Is it like closer to the mountain?

Yes. And then I said, no, I got to get it right now all the time. All the time.

Because I can't mess it up. I can't keep messing it up. One time, Dane, I went on in the original room and Bill Burr was next, but he was in the hallway bullshitting. Just like a typical night. And I got the hiccups, like I'm sure to Bill, like a girl. And I've never done this. And I hicked up every joke and I started laughing, but it was too much because it was like the same thing over and over.

And they're stopping laughing. And after about three minutes, I go, hey, it's Bill out there. And I go, and I hear, what? And I go, Can you come up now? I have to get off. And he's like, you got the fucking hiccups? And then I was like, oh, this is the worst guy to go after me. Because now his first five minutes was like, this fucking pussy. So that was funny. But that was another OR story.

Similar. He didn't apologize.

I think all you did, now I'm thinking about it, when I walked up and said your name wrong, you took the mic and you go, it's Eliza. And then you just went on. But you weren't scolding me. You just said it right for the audience to know. And then I was like shot leaving the stage like platoon. I was like, oh.

Was this show called The Bachelor?

There's a rumor you softly corrected someone. You're like, I think I did. He's like, what the fuck?

What's the most common mispronunciation or is there one?

Sure.

I just got this special.

But Eliza, how nerve wracking is it when they go, there's no MC and you're up there and they go, and you go, who's next? And they're like, Bill Squankmeyer. And you're like, this next guy is so good. You don't even know who they are. You've never even heard of them. You don't know what to say.

Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

Yes. I do that.

Yeah. Just throw someone out here. All right. Let's plug. Let's plug Eliza's thing one more time before we let her go. And I will say before I let you go, Eliza, different. I just talked to today. Someone, I said you were coming on and they said, tell her good on paper movie is great. And that is a Netflix movie.

That you wrote.

And it is a- Good on paper. It's very hard to write a movie. And you were in it. Yeah, even harder to make one. Turns out it takes a lot. It's so hard to make a movie. Yes. So vouch for that. And the special, Dana, say the name of the special. I'll let you do it.

In Salt Lake City, which I knew- That's a great place.

Yep, yep, yep.

If it's the one I think.

I got to play that. And they're good.

You like it, Dana. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks, Eliza. We'll talk soon. I'll see you at the store.

All right. Thanks for joining.

Thank you.

This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow, subscribe, leave a like, a review, all this stuff, smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts. Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss Berman of Odyssey, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.

And Rosetta.

You could. We both want it, but I am married, and so it's tough.

Guys are just like, hey, let's do this. They'll figure it out later if you're attractive. They just need some, they just need to get something going.

Good hooky title.

That's right. March 11th, I think. Amazon Prime. And that's going to be a good one because I've seen some of the stuff she's doing on it. Yeah. She talks, well, you know, she talks, she's got so much great stuff and she's had so many specials. She's been out there, books, specials, podcasts. She does it all, and it's all working.

Ali Wong always slams when she gets on stage. She goes, Like Polly Shore brings up, she goes, Polly, there's so many girls that would fuck. This guy's the grossest guy out there. All male comics are gross and all these girls will fuck them. It's so rude. We're all in the back going, now, hear, hear.

Now, see here.

Yeah. And I always say music, I mean, comedy is like music where, how, what kind of comedy are you doing? Are you like, It's like saying I like music. It's too general. So you can make a girl laugh that's on their wavelength. Like what kind? Do you like dry humor? Do you like goofy? Do you like... So sometimes you do sync up with someone because of that, of course. I mean, if that's your only...

Listen, I wasn't famous in high school. There's nothing going on. It's just all trying to be funny. That's all. And you're on a platform. Go ahead.

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean... That's very... That's nice, right?

But I get it.

I think we all are in the weird... You always look to someone that's sort of well-known and that you grew up with, and you forget that they're sitting there going, I could do more. I could do better. That's all you're thinking all the time is like, work on my act, work on this, try to get this going.

I mean, you're jumping club to club, right?

Very hard.

I crowdsource my own memories. And phrasing, I'll tell you, Liza, I'm the same way. First of all, I saw, we were on the same show probably three nights ago. But I have to say, when I do it, I don't know what, I like to do new bits. I record them. but it's almost worse to listen to them. It's awful. Because it's so sickening that I have to make myself go, I recorded, I did it the right way.

Three years I had about... you know, 14 minutes. I mean, honestly, you think you have an hour, you don't.

I just have to hear it or write it down so I memorize like just the phrasing because it worked. And then it's so lazy, but it's something sickening about repels me to, and I have to like, I do another show and I wait all day and then I go, I got to just hear it and go, that is how to do it. Okay. But it's so hard to make yourself do that.

And how long did you do your special tape it? So you taped it and you said you're already working on. Do you want a full new hour or do you want mostly new before you go out or what do you want?

Just see what pops out. You're right. And sometimes it's a bit of a trick. Could you give us one of these jokes? Yeah, give us one. Sure. Okay. Sure. Sure.

Hello there, everybody. This is Dana Solo. It's a little scary. My partner in crime, David Spade, is flying right now. He's flying to Singapore today to do a corporate date. No, I made that up. But anyway, I'll give you a little taste of him if you miss him. Everybody's like... Anyway, that's my David Spade. Our guest today, where David is on the interview, was really a blast.

He was Midwest. Nice.

Wisconsin. Nice.

David, you knew Chris well. Did you ever sword fight with him?

Unbelievable.

Tommy boy is pretty much surefire. I think for your kids. Yeah, it is.

It's not a competition, but if something doesn't work out or it doesn't quite fly, you pop in. One or two, but it's not a competition. I'm just saying I love Tommy Boy. I think it's a classic, but. If it doesn't work out, you're like, what do we do? Well, let's not surf the web or go on Instagram.

Marcy, look up oomph. No, it's a Scandinavian word for laissez-faire, I believe. For lazy fare. Did you audition for SNL? We don't have any now line. You have a lot to talk about.

Can't do it without Chris.

Did they push back at the co-star who knew Chris better than anybody? I said, well, I can't do it. You can get someone else. Yeah, psych.

That's interesting because, uh, looking at all your stuff, you're a writer, right? Is a real, a real writer, not a comedian. And you're a co-producer co-writer of your current project.

Now, I'd say that's the best pitch that I've heard for a Tommy Boy sequel. You slap on executive producer. You do a cameo like Stallone in Stayin' Alive with Travolta. And you do that little turn. It's David Spade.

Yeah. Boom, boom. So much booms coming. That's all I mean.

You like money? We're asked that a lot by our agents and managers. I don't think I want to fly to Malaysia for a one-nighter. Guess you don't like money.

Well, do you want to go with me? Ah, that'd be enough.

I don't. Well, that, because they don't care what they pay.

We paid the shitbox golfer $400 million. He can't make a pot. Uh-huh.

We kill you on the way back to the airport. So we get it all back. The key to that is my friend. That's it. My friend. My friend, listen to me, my friend. We are going to make you so rich if you want to be rich. And I'm from Denver. I just adopted this accent by watching too much alabarsi television. Too much.

I thought it was the mediocre rascals. Wasn't that the name of it?

The mediocre rascals.

No, I was just going to say, okay, I got to put this in. I'm going to watch it on Netflix.

I'm from the 80s. I mime it, even if I'm clicking on digital. And you guys, you guys nailed it. It's very, there's a genre of that kind of workplace, fun, single camera. And I honestly was thinking to myself last night, I don't feel like these people are acting, they're having fun. So whatever you, you, I mean, you, you kind of, you're renewed for a second season.

She's fantastic in it. And you got Justin Theroux too, who's just too cool for school.

Can I throw something about, this has been a thing that I've taught. We talked to Justin about it. I just have a thing that like, he would be the perfect guide in a Rod Serling biopic.

And, He really does. It doesn't have to happen, but I just, yeah. Picture if you will.

Well, I love that he's so polite. I can't think of the other stuff. Instead of think of this was the first thing. Think of this. Then he said, picture if you will. I watched two episodes of Twilight Zone yesterday.

Wally Cox with the first AI woman that falls in love with him.

Hollywood Squares? Marlon Brando's best friend, by the way.

Because I want to laugh.

Yeah. Smells like, that's a, that was repeated. But anyway, back to your show, Scared Straight. um what so you get you get goldion's daughter katie and uh katie katie hudson who i i i think is tremendous amazing and and it's so much like so fun like stories about like her stories are so crazy you know like oh yeah you know it's my birthday and

Plot thickening. Bobby is hilarious.

He's got a great burn. He acts real serious and just looks over. He just stares. I like when he stops. And he does the death stare. In his podcast.

Some people say you're cutting out on me. You're cutting out on me. I have a brother who says that to me. You're cutting out on me. Well, I'm not doing it intentionally, bitch. Oh yeah, they're mad at you. That's his affection. Hey, you're cutting out. You're cutting out on me. It's not, what? So the show's a smash. The show is picked up, which is a good sign.

I thought you're in it a little bit, or where are you as an actor?

I saw him. Who also played the attorney on Jury Duty.

And he always wanted to be in show business. You get in show business. Now he's in show business.

And he has a good spot.

Yeah, let them have fun. And by the way, who I think has a shit ton of charisma is Chad Hanks.

That's the apple ain't going to fall that far from the tree. If he's half as good, he's going to get a couple Oscars.

I saw Ignora last night because I had not seen it. Again with Ignora. I loved Ignora. What was the real name of it? What's it called?

Anora.

Pardon me. No disrespect.

No, I only saw Dune 2 and Conclave of the nominees.

Will you watch The Brutalist again? Never.

There's different versions online, by the way. The last one I got before this was 2002 to 2007.

No, the popes were, they had to get a new pope, so they sequester him. Not unlike a jury. They put them all in this big room in the Vatican.

Game of Thrones. He can't be pope. You need to be a little heavier. You can't have a stick figure as a pope.

They need to be round. People want to. Marcy.

Can I ask you a question, Ike, because you are our guest. One time the guest just clicked out. I've had enough. You're kind of a movie fan because, well, one thing is you must be, I don't know if your IQ's been tested, but I saw it. I mean, come on. You've won twice.

With Jeopardy, a million dollars. Celebrity Jeopardy. Heather, he won Jeopardy twice. Celebrity Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy.

no celebrity who wants to be a million million another million that played with your dad yes and then you win this one of them by referring to a obscure quote in eyes wide shut or a reference in eyes wide shut stanley kubrick yes yes tell that story so i went on i went on celebrity jeopardy i i won it i got the trophy right did you go against me uh

He's a definite pop culture.

He still gets Stand By Me.

Okay.

You're going on.

How many times had you seen that movie? I've seen a lot.

With the kids?

Do you have other Kubrick movies that you like? There's a new landing.

I had the same thing that the standard was so high in the seventies with Kubrick and other movies that I saw it. Didn't get it. Saw it in the theater. I watched it a year ago by myself. Just said, fuck it. I'm going to go revisit it. And, um, the, the, uh, The prologue was the afterwards. They said such was life in 16th century France or whatever. And they're all gone now.

And then I got the whole the whole thing. And the thing, the physical comedy of that dance sequence, he did. Oh, my God. Which he just stepped right up to the tippy-toe of winking at us.

But that's a brilliant film. Atmospherically, you are completely submerged. Oh, my God. Into it. And the cinematography is, you know.

We always talk about movies at some point. And I always say, if you can only watch one movie tonight, you had to watch a movie tonight by yourself, Ike. What pops into your head? God, this is different than my favorite movie, right? But what would you watch tonight?

I do them, too, by the way. I've done them. You did Rutherford Hayes? Give me a second. Now we need a Rothschilds. I'm Ruthie. Hey, Ruthie. Who's the PA president of this United States? I don't say it's accurate, but it's the stab. I'm Ruthie. Ruthie. So were you like, did that disappoint you at all that you weren't on SNL or you were just glad to be on a sketch show every week and pay?

Oh, okay. Wow. Workplace comedy with Mike judge, the director judge.

I would watch the Bridget Remagen World War II movie from the 70s. That's what I would watch. What's it called? What's it called? The Bridget Remagen or Remagen? Remagen. No, I'm kidding. You don't have to watch that.

I like it. Um, The Longest Day. If you like World War II movies.

But if you haven't seen, because God Rest His Soul, Gene Hackman, if you haven't seen The Firm, you've seen it, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's great in that. And that whole movie is fantastic.

And he's unbelievable. Is Denzel in that? Um...

Oh, yeah.

I like that movie. I like science fiction. You got another thumbs up.

In Chicago.

I did the best I could. It was a bit of a tussle with Creative Forces. But this goes full circle of this podcast. So I'm doing the movie in Chicago. And so there's these two dudes playing dude number one, dude number two. Maybe they have a line. They look like they're in their 40s or early 50s. And I'm just talking to them at lunch and whatever. And I didn't know one of them was the infamous...

improv guy you mentioned earlier the godfather of improv so he's moonlighting getting a check on this love it silly romantic comedy and uh i didn't know till later i was talking to del close he had no he didn't never kind of go well you know what i uh I kind of started improv in Chicago. No, he was very, very cool.

Yeah.

Well, I did Elon Musk for 28 seconds on that show and got a little chatter from him. So now Mike's doing this sort of Monty Python-esque avant-garde version. It's really funny. He's running. He's turning. He turns himself off. He's like, but yeah, we'll have him on tomorrow to discuss his.

Remember shelter in place during the pandemic? Shelter in place. Do you remember the pandemic? Wherever you are, shelter in place.

It's a jib jab. I want to hear it. I want to see a jib jab. You know my Anthony Fauci bit. Let me taste it. I know I told you if you had two shots, I'd just do this guy for him. You'd be dancing in the streets. I missed it by a little much. A little bit. Who knew it was a mutating mother? That's why I'm introducing the Daily Shot. Anthony Fauci's Daily Shot.

Every single day you go to your healthcare provider. By the time you get to your car, you don't have any immunity, but it's a beautiful 39 seconds.

From the bottom of my all new leather Fauci's, go fuck yourself. I just did that for myself. You are a great audience, Ike. You must be fun in the writer's room. And you're a great writer.

We put him in one of our favorites, Ike Barinholtz, who was on MADtv for like seven years, I think, did all these characters. He's got a big... A big resume, The Mindy Project, and currently Running Point on Netflix with Cade Hudson. Chet Hanks, that's pretty cool. Justin Theroux. So we go through all those shows. We go through his career. He has a nepo dad. You'll find out about that.

Yeah. Can you crack your back just by yourself standing up?

And then the dog's happy, though, and runs away smiling. Is that because I saw one of those? They don't know if they're happy.

I did it to a red ant. I was like. And you cut him in half accidentally. And the ant was like. He's like, it's more my thorax. Luckily, I can regenerate. It's more my thorax. A gentleman joins us here today, Mr. Ike Barinholtz. He's made quite a splash on the Mindy Project. Plays a character named Morgan Tookers. Is that funny, Ed? Morgan Tookers, male nurse. Hello. Please welcome.

So I wanted to mention that because five years on the Mindy Project. Tell us about Morgan Tookers because we're going to get letters. Why didn't you ask about that? We're going to get letters.

Well, let me do this for you. This is what I do now for friends. Johnny Carson gets pulled over for drunk driving in 1972. Oh, sorry, officer. I didn't know I was swerving. I had two slippery monkeys at the hook and crook.

Slippery monkeys at the hook and crook. Yes. Sorry, I had a tomato strawberry boom boom at the windy summit. I just like the drinks and the location at the Windy Summit. I had a double daiquiri up with a twist at the Rusty Nail. Copper Penny is by Warner Brothers. He would have gone to that.

And the rest of the nail and or the desperate pillow is another good watering hole, the desperate pillow. But anyway, so those five years was big for you, right?

How old are the kids again? Um,

Okay, so they're still in the world of innocence and magic. They have social media, but still.

Now, I have to say, were you named after Dwight D. Eisenhower, whose nickname was Ike? I'm sure you've been asked this a billion times, but Ike is a very, my name's a little unusual.

We don't know how it happens. It's just random. I can't.

And you said, hey, Pete, I just won 20 bucks. I promise that guy you would say, get my wife a Diet Coke.

Are there any final thoughts you want to do? Because what the Scared Straight Show or Standing, Running, what is it called?

So much energy. You laughed at our jokes. Can I say suck it, Thoreau?

No one knew that. That's great.

Won $2 million for charities. Oh, you gave it to charity?

I'll take a taste. I won't take all of it. I'll wet my beak a little bit.

Yeah. Something for the effort. I wet my beak is a great figure of speech. That's got to be it. We got to do a Sopranos remake, man. That is a fucking brilliant thing.

Look for Running Point.

Running Point. Running Point. Running Point. Netflix right now.

Peace out.

We're business acquaintances, yes. And Josh Myers, Zeth's brother, right?

Oh, Cole, you did have a big fat cast at that time.

Yeah, you have some quirky impressions. Can we get a few?

I'm Rutherford B. Hayes.

Oh, they're so super hard. You know, usually during the primary seasons, politically, they'd say, you know, you're John Lickwick from Pennsylvania Circuit Four. And then you look at the impression like, hi, I'm John Lickwick. And you know there's no hook. And then Lorne would say, are you ever going to get Representative John Lickwick? And I said, no.

So I said, Lorne, no, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. But the key to impressions, if you can't do it, Just say the name of who you're doing right at the get-go. Oh, yeah. That's it. I'm John Licknick. I'm John Licknick, and they don't know. But what was your best one, I'm just curious, that you thought was the most accurate? Because I saw you did Arnold.

And he is sort of a brainiac. He's one... Celebrity Jeopardy and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and raised literally babillions, millions for charity. So very fun. A hard laugher came to play. So I think this one will cheer you up for sure. Ike Barinholtz, everybody.

Yeah. We'll give you a head start tomorrow. Who's the guy who plays the penguin now? Nice looking movie star.

Yeah, and it's like he's, hey, some agent somewhere's going, you're throwing away your good looks. You got good looks. You're behind rubber. I can't monetize this kid.

It's like, it's a magic trick.

What did they do the thing like? Cause I noticed when the Mark McGuire and those went up to Congress that they were so roided up by the time they got to Congress, they didn't bother to buy fitted suits. So like they got little pencil necks and giant suits and it was so obvious. Gigantic suits.

I'm wearing a 52 large and now I weigh 160 pounds, but I'm telling you, I did nothing that, that two 90 I put on, but I know my head is three times the size of a normal man.

I love the callback. It was representative, but... Well, it was your character.

I'm going to run with it. So you did a lot of work before you got on MADtv, and you went to Amsterdam for two... Who went with you to Amsterdam? Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Those Dutch accent is tricky, but the Myers brothers, Josh and Seth, didn't they live there in high school or something? They have a big affinity for it.

If I had a dollar for every time my wife said that, because she's half Dutch, her dad was Dutch. And she says, yeah, I listened to the podcast and I was a terrific guest. You were not at a 10.

The representative LUTNAC comeback was very entertaining. I'll see you at dinner time, bitch. I go, bitch? Why do you have to say bitch?

So when did you start feeling like, just either as a kid or high school, like, I think I should do this. I'm good at this. Because on your Wikipedia page, it said, considered to be a lawyer or a politician. Yeah, growing up in Chicago.

i skipped the snl 50th man had something to do wait were you i was wondering you must have had like you must have had the flu or something yeah i had the flu that was lingering so i was kind of by the day of the show i felt great but i was 3 000 miles away yeah no but i but yeah when i had to make the call i was like i don't have the oomph and you know yeah no

Dana, today we have Susan Morrison, a writer. We don't always have writers. We have SNL writers, but she's a writer of SNL. Yes, yes.

Because you get perfectionist and you can't stop fixing. Yeah.

Well, it's like a sitcom. You know, you're trying to get it right. When you're on a movie and it's a big budget that happens where you just do take after take, someone's got to go, hey, are we any good? Like, can we just move on? Like, this is it. The best we can do.

It's all different.

You know, you can tell the rookies because Lauren is such a name that comes up millions of times in our podcast and in life. But the people that call them Lauren and they spell it Lauren, like the female name is pretty interesting because, you know, they're an outsider and I don't listen to one thing they say.

That was us. Did you talk to any cast that said anything that, or any personalities just very different than what you thought once you get them on the phone?

Let's see. Or is everyone kind of... That's such a good question.

Parental units. I told someone, are you with your parental units tonight? And then I said, after I've said this a million times, I go, you know that's from Conehead? They're like, what is that term? I go, I think so. Isn't it? Remember he goes parental. And no one knew that. I go, Oh, that's so funny. It just gets in the ether and people, you had some good quotes here from a lot of the stars.

I think some are funny. Some are just straight ahead. Interesting. And I like Steve Martin says, Dave Letterman is genuinely self deprecating. He genuinely doesn't think he's any good. Those issues don't come up for Lorne. Go ahead. Oh, Jane Curtin saying, he spent a lot of time talking about where he's going to eat.

He says, Dana, if you start drowning, he's not like, hey, here's a life jacket. He's like, ooh, that guy's drowning in my pool. Let's go here and let's go hang with Alec Baldwin. Yeah.

TV Funhouse.

Yes, the aloof producer that just stands there with a beer or something or a glass of wine.

And, you know, there are a handful of people who, you know.

But it's a hard back and forth to say, Lauren, do you want to produce this movie? Because now you're putting him on the spot sometimes if he doesn't. But if you don't and it's success, he's like, why wouldn't you bring that to me? It's very touchy because you don't want to go, I want a new favor.

Yeah, I want a favor from you. Also, this thing about networks is tough because let's say I did a show for a network, like I've done sitcoms, and they're always whining and dining you up for a sitcom the whole run.

And the second it's over, let's say you do a pilot or something, or even just they cancel your show, there's always part of you that thinks mistakenly, but this network, we were friends. Like, how could they do that? That's the weirdest thing that you realize. It's all just for the moment. Things are going good. Everything's great. But don't get too chummy because...

you're just a card on a board where they say, we don't need that anymore, we're putting this here. They don't think like that. They don't go, oh, is someone's feelings gonna get hurt? They're just like, this does better than that, we gotta put that there.

It's very rare they go, hey, I mean, they might say it, but they're not just saying, hey, just because we're all buds, we should keep this on forever.

you know up to the very end when when was the last thing bernie did yeah even when it went to 10 he's probably still playing him 15 yeah yeah i by the way prometheus for all the kids listening is a rapper little prometheus yeah little prometheus By the way, I have it off the grid here. The new show, is it possible you would remember this? I think this is a dumb joke for the new show.

A. Whitney Brown and Louis, were they both on it possibly?

But on camera.

They weren't on the new show?

And she covers a lot. She's telling things to you, listeners, that even we don't know.

Okay, because this joke is from something else. It could have been.

I remember a sketch with Louis Anderson and Whitney Brown. What could have that been on?

On a figment of my imagination.

Here's the joke.

Okay. It's like a just quick cutaway, like I'm laughing. They walk out in Roman togas. One's ripped and one isn't. And Whitney goes, no, yeah, Whitney goes to Louie's that's ripped and says, Euripides? And he goes, Eumenides? Eumenides?

I'm pretty sure I'm lying, but why would I even think of this when you were talking about the new show?

I like it. I got it.

I liked it a good time. That's it. That's the beginning, middle, end. Handinbra. Handinbra. It's very economical.

I love it. It was the 50s. Listen, I laughed harder at Hee Haw. I don't know what, you know, I can't remember any reference. I laughed at Donny and Marie. Oh, that's what Bernie Brillstein told me.

You know, it's funny when people say like, you know, Belushi only made $400 a week on SNL and he made 10 grand for Animal House, which is not bad money, especially when you're an unknown. They forget that they weren't a huge star on the cover of Time Magazine. Did Belushi get on the cover of Time? I heard Chevy did. Did Belushi?

Oh, Newsweek. Chevy...

Yeah. He's very quiet.

Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Reason number 800 why the new show didn't fly off the shelves. Exactly.

Sure.

And you don't need everything. You don't need everything you think you need in life also is a bigger way. It's true.

I want to go to lunch with his dad. Yeah. I need to learn things. That's a good one. Buy me a hot dog.

He told me that. He said, it matters where you live. So if you're torn, get the nicer one.

couldn't believe you know that this person's pet was I think in the new days there's just options you didn't have like you can just not do things anymore in the old days it's like no you go no matter what you go to work you go to school you do this now it's like if you feel like it unless you want to call in a day you're not mentally feeling like it it's like or you have anxiety if I had the word anxiety back then I would have used it all day

We've been recording, don't worry. I'm kidding.

It's no time for any fun bullshit. It's like, go, go, go.

That's true.

Some of mine got dirty and he would say, to interrupt you, he would say, I don't know if you need that.

Put it if you want, but I don't know if you need it. And that's a good way of saying, oh, you feel like it's a little dirty? It's kind of smart the way it is. I don't know if you need that. And you go, yeah, okay. Like, okay, well, if you say it, I'm obviously younger and just new on the show. I think I would take your gut feeling over mine.

That's how he would do it.

It wasn't.

Well, Susan, Dana, anything else for this young lady who's written a great book?

I love that it fell into right now. It was good.

And do you quit or do you stay and you go, I quit SNL. I didn't get anything out of it. It's so hard to sit there and rot going, am I going to ever score? It really takes one good sketch and you're on the map.

I think it was the one where I played a receptionist was the first time I got any sort of... And you had a catchphrase. It was in dress, the last sketch, and the air. It was the first sketch.

And you are is so good, yeah. Just a dry bit based on kind of Lauren.

Yeah, and all that.

It's a good theory.

I never, I never, it doesn't look like you and I was there briefly. It doesn't seem like he's, you know, barely getting to this 50th. It's like 50th, then they got the rest of the season after the big show, and then they start working on next season. I don't see him.

Yeah.

Thanks, Jason. Have a good day. Bye, guys.

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Right. And you can be a little dirt, like even TV shows on an eight versus nine when I was a sitcom, you can say a little more at nine because kids are asleep. You can say way more at 10. And when you're way up there at 1130, they don't worry so much about content as much.

oh yeah and they got you know tina fey and steve martin and john mulaney there's all these quotes up front and everywhere you turn you know they're talking about so very in-depth took years to put this together years to put it together and it was very interesting talk we went on and on so uh yeah here she is and you're gonna learn a lot who's in morrison

I did like little things I didn't know. Now, Dana, I was going to ask Jason about that Lauren one for update because I did like the chaos. I did like it was almost obviously too chaotic, but definitely knowing...

no no fame it just shows people it's like sort of here's what it was if you don't know how it started this is they weren't famous no one thinks of Dan Aykroyd or Belushi is not famous you know so you have to go back and say hey they all get a job it's a cruddy place they're just throwing shit together and And then there's Billy Crystal leaving.

Those are cool moments where you go, oh my God, there's just so many things that happened where everything there was life-changing. You get me in the first sketch, Chevy's on update. Like this, this, he's a big, good-looking dude. I thought there was a lot of parts about I really did like And you're right when it all came together. What are the bricks on the stage? I don't even know.

I don't know what part was real, what wasn't fictionalized.

So that was real.

People go, this isn't where you, because I went back to do Hunter Biden and it was just again, like when Dana going back, you go- Oh, so here's Tom in wardrobe. You know, there's a lot of the same people and a lot of, it's obviously bigger and a little fancier in places, but you get out there, it's the same tiny stools. Even people I was with were like, this isn't where the audience sit.

This is it. This is, this is where every sketch is. This tiny room. Yeah.

I have a dirty joke about Paul Lynde. You want to hear it?

We'll cut it out. Paul Lynde walked into a party and he goes, it smells like pussy in here, I think. Anyway, Dana, back to you. No, I will say.

I mean, I don't understand. Paul Lynn was a hero, by the way, at Hollywood Squares. Unreal. When I was a kid, I laughed at everything that dude said.

That's funny.

I was 23.

Oh, the eagles. That's right. The eagles. So you claim to have a book.

Folks.

No, I just, real quickly, I had auditioned at the comedy store in like 20 people with no MC in the original room. And I followed Kennison at midnight. Before I went on, they said, SNL is here. I don't think it was Lauren, but SNL is here. I bombed so bad. And Al Franken saw me at the punchline. I just bombed and bombed. And then the show came around again real fast. I just went to Igby's.

You remember that little 100-seater place? Yes. Rosie O'Donnell was headlining. I got a hold of Jan Smith. I said, I, I, Lorne Michaels will come see me. Cause we had the same, my manager was managing him. I was with Bernie Bernstein, Brad Gray. So then I met Rosie. It seemed like just like so confident and New York and everything.

I can't believe how young we both were, but I got to do 40 minutes. Lorne came, brought Brandon Tartikoff and then Cher. Yeah. And I got 40 minutes in front of a regular audience instead of five barring Kenison. And that's kind of how I got the show.

Cher came out and she had like a sequined dress on. She goes, half funny. We are Theresa and Nemo and that's why we switched to Shopify. The platform we used before Shopify needed regular updates, which led to the shop not working.

I'm going to stay quiet because this is riveting.

I knew him well. SpongeBob. Yeah. He became SpongeBob and he owns most of Nevada. Yeah.

It's a good word for Obama. Folks are hurting. Folks, folks aren't sure how to pay the bill. That's what folks are doing. Folks are feeling the pinch. Folks are feeling the pain. Folks, it's definitely a lot of politicians use it. It's kind of a homey thing. But folks, we have a super guest today on super, super fly on the wall. Carol Leifer is with us, who's a mainstream of comedy host.

Would you have liked to have been a cast member, Carol? Did you ever think of that or audition for?

I think it was the third host. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Did you ever, so what other, can you tell us about the Oscars? You were at the Oscars? You read on them?

And you wrote, so Conan's team brought you in or whatever, or how does it work?

Is there writers to come with the show? You wrote a lot for the Oscars over the years. Yeah. Yeah.

Of course. Well, Conan's a fun guy. Who's the greatest host that you've written for? Would you write for Billy? Did you write for Billy?

I love Billy's Broadway songs about the current movies. Anora, Anora, she's annoying. Anora, I'm a wicked man. You know, I mean, so Billy was just great. Great host.

That was, because for people who haven't seen the movie, he crawled out of, in the movie, Demi Moore sort of becomes a walking corpse or like a monster. Anyway, he climbed out of her backside to start the 119th Oscar show. His head is, I mean, it was definitely catching. It was like, okay, we got something different here. Yeah.

So just so that people familiarize. So you wrote 12 times for the Oscars. You wrote for Seinfeld. I mean, can we talk about that? Has Jerry changed? Has Jerry changed? We know him pretty well. We had him on the podcast.

Don't get me started.

Yeah. I'm going to ask you, I'm going to ask you about your introduction to the Beatles and your lifelong love affair. Cause I was, we're in the same age group. And then to meet him later on, but to me, I'm sorry, there's just the Beatles. And then there's incredible bands, Zeppelin, Stones, Pink Floyd, and then, you know, go on and on Eminem.

And, um, but there's just one Beatles because there's just too much music and too much revolutionary things going on. So were you a classic? I want to hold your hand in 64 or winter. Yeah.

1966.

Big thing for a band, rock and roll band, to play a giant.

I think they only did 30, 35 minutes. They couldn't hear themselves. The roar of the crowd, they just couldn't, you know.

If you had a not famous Beatles song, like what is one of your favorites? I'll throw out some. She's Leaving Home and I Love Her, No Reply, Hard Day's Night, I Want to Hold Your Hand, which I think that She Loves You is a masterpiece. It's like two minutes and five seconds. But are you kind of a Strawberry Fields or are you Penny Lane? Yeah, five seconds.

Over a decade? Or what's the timeframe of the 22 auditions? I would say from 1980 to 92.

2025 is calling, Spudly. Okay.

So you stand up anyway. Yeah.

Every song's a hit, basically. Can I do a clumsy kind of forward thing? Because during the peak of the Seinfeld years, how many seasons did you write on that show?

Three. I think they were in the Rolling Stone almost like they got so big. There's only the Beatles, but they were almost like a Beatle-y sitcom. Yeah. And I'm always interested in the dynamic between Jerry and and Larry, you know, because that this partnership. And so how did you get hired for that? They just already knew you loved you. They knew you from Letterman.

And you were just was that an easy kind of.

It was such an interesting sensibility on that show, how it was kind of just about little things. And everyone knows the soup Nazi in the puffy shirt. It's like trying to catch the wind. It's even now with Curb Your Enthusiasm these last 15 years. It's like, what is that sensibility about? But it really pops. The cast was super likable. But there's something about the writing itself.

It was so smart and subtle and well-observed. So that's just a... I mean, that's the best writer's room on a sitcom in history, I think. I'm not shitting on Cheers or anybody else, but I think it's got to be... Well, as far as it worked, I mean, it just worked through the roof. Our greatest sitcom.

What is the thing about Seinfeld? What do you think made it go so huge?

I'd love to.

Yeah. Okay. Sure. That's interesting. That makes, that makes sense to me. Yeah. Yeah.

Of course.

I didn't even try. They just like, you don't got it. Don't even audition. Just, yeah. Well, I was doing characters and stuff, and they like jokes. I was just going to ask you from a personal point of view, what kind of stand-up in your head were you in 92 compared to 1980? Well, I was much more...

Well, Dana, were you there? No, I had the flu. Oh, okay. Oh, touchy subject. I've already thought about just what I'm going to do on the 60th. Yeah. And it's going to be great.

Let's keep it a little quiet.

Don't start getting curious, Leif.

Yeah, when you see stuff like that, like the puffy corduroy pants, looks like he's excited. Okay, we'll build a whole episode around that. And you go, it's so simple. It's so funny. Everybody knows what he's talking about.

What did you think of the concert?

Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, never. Cause doesn't kind of, don't they win kind of everything? I mean, they win a lot of stuff. Well, I'll say this past season. We sure did.

Where's your hardware. You got a hardware back there somewhere.

So when shows are really good... What's the common denominator? There's one common denominator, but I'm not... Let me just think. I wonder what it is. What would it be? Carol, Carol King, no, no, no, no. But anyway, I mean, you must be proud of... I mean, it is pretty cool how many great shows you've worked on.

So clearly, you're a valuable commodity, and I would like to negotiate whatever your next deal is, personally. I'm not going to push...

I'm always happy if I'm at some event, then I see a comedian or a comedian I know that we're just going to look at it at all differently and try to,

But that's why I like sketch is because I was a stand-up and then I'd never done sketch comedy. So then it was like, oh, you say that, I say this. We're working together. And then, of course, you get funnier if you're in a writer's room and people are starting to riff. Your brain gets kind of associative into this everything's funny or how about this angle? How about this?

So I think I totally relate to that. If someone wanted to see, I said, Carol Leifer is a great standup. Is the, what would you want them to look at?

I don't do that in a year.

I don't, I would say probably some of your 25 letterments. You know what?

because it was the first yeah it was fernwood tonight and when i came out and so i know that does anyone remember fernwood tonight martin mole and funny it is yeah kind of a parody of a talk show yeah did you ever work with wendy liebman i'm yeah this is like the perfect setup i'm working with wendy liebman

Are you publicizing it as three funny ladies or no? Or just as a comedy show?

Oh, the ladies of the night. Dave and I go out as the pipsqueaks of funniness. Oh.

Well, we convinced them.

This is inside baseball, but we kind of like, as a standup, well, I love being out there with a friend just riffing. So I said to the guys in charge, I said, because they wanted 45 each, you know, and it's hours in a ballroom, all that. I said, you don't, how about, we do 30 each or 25 to 30, and then we come out together and just sort of talk to the audience and they'll yell stuff out.

And he goes, you would do that? yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm not going to try to redo the deal, but we will come out without a script or our act, you know, and they're yelling out Garth or Tommy boy.

It's really important. You know, the sound is great.

I didn't go, I don't go to sound checks, but I, they, Jay Farrell played the night before some casino in West Virginia. I go, they're going to need a sound check. How was the sound for Jay Farrell? Oh, it was great. He loved it. So then I go out. First thing I hear is a huge slap back. Hello. Hello. Hello.

I did, but I came out as a guest from Saturday Night Live. I never came out behind the curtain and did that terrifying thing. What I want to ask you two things about those days. Did you ever say and step on it to the cab driver in New York? And did you ever get so good that like leafers here like you? Because I think confidence, you know, Eddie Murphy had peak confidence at 19. He has it now.

We've all had these situations. I was in a club once and I asked them to turn up the mic for the second show because I couldn't, you know. And they just turned it down. It's like just aggression and anger. Sometimes the club owner is a frustrated stand-up and kind of hates you. So we turned it down.

Did you like the clubs on, you know, touring or going on the road? Or did you just do it? Or, you know, were you in condos with other guys and ventriloquists?

Oh my God. For people just to, I mean, so you'd go to these cities and instead of putting you in a hotel, they'd have a comedy condo. And there was the main room or the head room. For the headliner. For the best place with its own bathroom. If you come too late, the Ventura the Quest is in there with Chuck Wood. You can't look at his puppet. Don't even look at Chuck Wood. David Strassman, I think.

No, I'm kidding.

They're a unique breed. It's not a joke. That is definitely like that Anthony Hopkins movie. Chuck Wood was real. You must have heard of him.

Yes, let's do it now. We're wrapping up. Oh, my God. We'll put it in the intro, too. Okay.

Come on, it's going to fly. That's a good title.

There are certain people. Sandler took me a long time. But when you get the confidence that. It's fun. Do you ever walk in and go, I'm the shit, man. Fuck you people. I've heard her say that. Okay. Two questions. Step on it. I'm about to have a baby. Okay. Go ahead.

So that is literally instructive and also humorous, but actually trying to help people with that process. Okay. Say the title again.

Okay, I like it. And I want to ask you a question. So has no one written this book? Because I think it's a great idea. Yeah, it is.

Not funny people.

And obviously, I just want to, if people want to get this book, you just go on Amazon, it'll be on that.

Click a few buttons. Yeah. And if you don't remember the title, you can say Carol Leifer book. Yeah. Exactly. Carol Leifer book.

Yeah. That's new, thank God, because I got one that day. You were killing it at that point. I just said to the guy, I go, can we get him off now? I mean, I think he's over his time. Give him the light, yeah. Can we just, is it okay to give him a light? I mean, I don't want to push, but yeah, because you were killing so hard.

You always want to sabotage your friend if you can.

title what else going on all right carol thank you very much uh thanks for being here on your career your book nice to see you you're always uh she's one of the most likable people that you know in this scene i think you have that reputation but yeah i'm always happy to see you and you're very kind i'm just gonna say it i just love you guys you're just so you're both so incredibly talented and i enjoy your talent

And who were your peers? It was Elaine Boosler.

From 1981 or two, she was on David Letterman, and she's worked as a stand-up. And also, David, her writing career.

Yeah.

Yeah, the 70s is when it all kind of shifted. And what was allowed. And then lately, I don't want to jump too far ahead, but we have a lot of our great women comedians or call them comedians. Yeah.

And there's a liberation of really being as hardcore as the men. It's just been a shift where the audience, you know, the women are more, they can be sexual. They can, they can step outside the lines, but you were kind of riding that wave and you had Phyllis Diller, but not Phyllis Diller. She's a little more back there. Joan Rivers was quite a, you know, she was sort of the body and intense flyer.

She said five facelifts in a boob job. Can we talk? Can we talk? Barbara Bush is not sexy.

It was, it was revolutionary.

all right let's put that out into the universe corporates are fun yes juicy corporate she's clean she's funny she's likable and she'll she'll go for pictures afterwards without any complaint ceo's kid even if it's not part of the deal can we take a quick picture yes

Good friends with Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld, and she has some interesting takes on their relationship. Teaser alert.

Um, you're kind of like you, this lane, because you're still here and you started there and you're, you're getting more famous than your resume. Um, like I only found out this week and I'd want to talk about it because there's a whole documentary briefly just about your, your work as a writer while you were being a standup.

And I don't know what your one was before the 85 season on Saturday night live, which did you. Okay. So let's just talk about that a little bit, how you got the job and it you've, have you seen the documentary about?

Let's guess what he said. The job is not easy, but you you'll find it's exciting. It's that thing of like, you're going to find your voice this year. And then you'll go on to like much, much bigger things. Um, we, we'd like you, uh, go ahead.

Yeah, that's true. You know what?

This Tom Hanks sketch.

Yeah, let's talk about that a little bit for people who don't know. But this pivotal year was the first year that Lorne came back after leaving with the seminal cast of all time in 1980. First year back. So a lot of pressure. Lorne is back. We've had the Billy Crystal, Martin Short, Christopher Guest year. We had the Eddie years with Joe Piscopo. And now Lorne Michaels is back.

So who was on that show?

Did he remember? I mean, surely he did, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. He goes, hey, Carol. All right.

Yes. And also one last thing, the, the sort of famous season of 1985, she was there writing and she'll talk about at SNL, Robert Downey jr. At like 19 years of age, skating down the hall and stuff like that. So, so it's really fun. She's super likable. I've known her for longer than I want to remember. Please enjoy the one and only Carol. Leave her.

Yeah. Do people know this? At the end of the season, some sketch, I was watching it live, and then all the cast had to go into a fire, except three of them didn't have to go into the fire. I mean, it was really sad. Who wrote that? Al?

My first time in the studio. She was our cold open.

That's the ceiling. Money is freedom. That's what it's for. Even the great Neil Young, about two years ago, finally sold part of his catalog and said, and this is Neil Young, you'd think he'd be so rich, but he said, now I can do whatever the fuck I want. I don't have to tour if I don't want to, that he bought his freedom.

So money to me, especially as an older comedian, you want to be able to work the way you want to work.

If you're spending three, four million a year, then you need a lot of money to cough that up. But I was going to ask you about your library, because is it 1,600 episodes or something?

Are you in the same neighborhood? You don't have to tell us your actual address.

Oh, you interviewed, oh, you had Neil? What's he like? Tell me about that.

Sound, he's a sound fanatic.

Well, I already have a map of your house. That'll be for... It's called After Talk. Anyway, whatever. No, I'm in Glendale. I was in Highland Park. I got it. Yeah. I like that place. The old place? Yeah, I mean, it was casual and cool. You had guitars and cozy.

That would freak out. We had, David and I, a similar thing with Paul McCartney. And I don't know. if you have, or with your personality, but podcasts regret. Like, why did I interrupt him then? That was the best part. Why did it take me so long to get there? And I'll be kind of in my head really for a couple of weeks sometimes. McCartney bothered me for probably a month.

I think for me, there's a lot of us. Where are you in this? I mean, I wanted to ask you musically, but also movies. But with music, is there somebody you haven't had yet? Or who is your true North Star? Was it Springsteen? Well, Roger Waters, Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon. For me, Paul McCartney of Beatle was kind of the opinion.

No, we would love to interview Ringo.

I live in a very small house. Everything you own owns you back. I'm not into it. You occupy a house. You live in your body. You can't fuck a house. You can't eat it.

And, and, and what, how did you, did you do that? Did you?

So, and I don't mean to name drop, but I love, I love sexy beast. Yeah. Fucking unbelievable.

Convenients don't laugh.

Oh, played with Jeff Beckett one time?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I want to start the podcast this way. Every comedian knows this about you. Where were you, David, when you heard that Marc Maron has Barack Obama on his podcast? Because that was like, what the fuck? Because this was early days of podcasting.

I love that Arnold can never go negative. He had one movie, I guess, Last Action Hero. He's on Matt Lauer. Well, the box office wasn't quite, no, people love the movie, and it's a great hit all over the world. All over the world. He can't ever go negative.

He taught us to salute. For us, it was just if you want a candy bar. You do the salute and he gives you a little chocolate in your hand. We didn't know what it was about. Things like this and all these things and these people and what they say and all this stuff.

Yeah. It is what it is. You can't run from that kid. You have to move on. It's a lesson. I mean, one of my brothers, I've got three older brothers and we always say, what would Arnold do? Only for the positivity of it. It is what it is. And you have to move on.

And I love everybody and it rather than negative and whiny, but it seems to me like anxiety is like a theme or depression of artists in some ways. So you go with that. Did you, cause Springsteen's old book is about that.

Somebody skip Delt Day. You know what he said to us? He goes, how do you guys stay so lean? You know, because you're little. And the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs live longer than the big dogs. I'm literally quoting him. You're so little.

I remember being blown away by that.

I need to get small. When you get older, you have to be small because the heart and all the things has to work harder and all the things and all the people.

I didn't see it. I just, I, I couldn't take when I, the, I love Todd Phillips.

What's his net worth? I mean, he has freedom, I think. If he got a back end on The Hangover.

Yeah. Yeah. When you tell him, tell him, tell Mr. Marin. Yeah.

And, uh, we talked, we were just curious about like, cause he and Rogan on a few others kind of started in like, Oh nine, Oh eight, Oh nine or podcasting when it was just like a caveman with no audience and who would do that. And then it grew to this behemoth. And I, I, he, he got president Barack Obama on his podcast and to do his podcast, you had to drive way up in the middle of nowhere.

The qualifier. Mark Maron is the qualifier.

Well, we know what would trend and get pickup. I don't. Really, I don't.

But if you have someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting a scoop, they have not talked about this. Like Robin, it's going to trend. But they've been on five podcasts by the time they get to us.

He was actually Ma Frickard and they buried him in the dress, which I thought was inappropriate.

What John the Winner did was very specific and very detailed. It was not just ad hoc.

we're at his house. I'm already in, I'm all in because of John, the winners.

That's kind of interesting. I know someone who had dinner at Danny K's house. And he was very quiet during the dinner. And they're letting everyone out. It's the same kind of thing. Hall of Fame wall, Danny Kaye pictures. And someone asked one question. Then it was two hours, photo by photo. Here I am with Jack Benny. Here I am here.

2009.

I guess.

The one who always got me, and I'm curious about old timey, here we go again, was always as a kid, was Don Rickles. The best. just the funniest and, and, and dry, like weird, no joke. Like get out a cookie, put them in the corner. Oh yeah. Pack them in ice. He doesn't know the show started. There's no real jokes. It's the rhythm.

And the sense of mayhem that he doesn't know exactly where he's going.

You know, funniest fucking guy.

That's so funny. I know.

Comedy Central. And or would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be roasted?

No, it was like 2000. I just remember the pain on Chevy's face watching it.

Because it's, oh, is this what they think of me? It's like me doing an impression to someone. If they get upset, it's like, oh, is this how I'm coming across? It's the ultimate mental game. I mean, David, you did one, right?

You never got roasted, but you were the MC.

She came up with her book.

I don't read comments. David reads comments. Do you read comments about your podcast much? You're good with that or you're kind of... I don't.

Do you listen to your podcast? No. Have you ever? Yeah. Cause Conan told me a while back, never has heard an episode. So I took that advice. Cause I would get too much in my head in the part. I hear it. I don't listen to it.

Yeah. Um, I'm, I was just curious earlier today, like when we talked to guests and stuff, like for you are as consuming art or like movies or are you into that? I mean, movies or music or totally is, um, Patton Oswalt. We started talking about movies and he just, that's a, that's a long conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We don't have to go.

I don't know what you're, you know, but I remember it was the killers from 1958. Oh yeah. Here we go.

anyway um 2001 in space i'm trying to guess your favorite movie okay that would be tough or your top or a movie that you you see more than once or there was yes of course here's a question if you could only watch one movie tonight would it be 2001 or planet of the apes original those are my only two choices what did you let pat knowledgeable get in your head yeah

I like watching movies. Alien changed movies. Alien changed movies.

Gene Hackman, 1975.

No, no, that's all here. Oh, okay.

I talk about him all the time that he's a freak. He was, he's always laughing in his movies. Chewing gum. So great.

I did watch the Tom Cruise movie, where he's the firm. The best. The movie's great, and he's fucking crazy. Yeah, if you haven't seen the movie The Firm, it's like a surefire great movie. Go ahead.

Or he got fed up, mad about something. Something like that. Not fired, but whatever.

So good. He's the heavy man. Yeah.

Is she in it?

And Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise.

And Hackman. And then Hackman. Hackman leading the charge. Him trying to seduce his wife down in the Caribbean. Oh, God. And he knows she's conning him. I mean, he's effortless. It's just so fascinating to watch Gene Hackman.

We don't know.

Or straight to video. The 90s are calling.

That's a good idea. That's like an analog lo-fi world. Kind of something charming about that.

The Australians are great at accents for some reason. And a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, I don't know. Yeah. You know, secondhand compliments are the best. Like when David hears someone say to him, you were great in the movie, right? That's the best way to hear it. Cause you know, they're not saying it's legit. She was like, Oh my God.

Oh, by the way, you see my iron special is fantastic.

no that's a fictitious well you know you do specials you do a podcast and you're a damn good actor you've got a series i'm just saying i mean i don't know any other you you're like a triple and an author yeah you know i do what i can i do what i can at the level i do it at and uh it's uh

It's just how much joy can you get out of your incredible life?

Well, that's a perfect end to a podcast. Take care, Matt. See you later, guys. That was a blast. Thank you. Yeah, it was fun.

Well, we found a way to lose. Well, good for you.

There's room for everybody. But did you have a eureka moment that you could call back on like, holy shit, maybe there's money in this? Because how long did you do it essentially for free before- Money started to arrive.

I'm checking celebrity net worth. Okay. Anyway, so... I don't even know if that's right.

And, uh, In the middle of LA. And so that was a big thing. So we do talk about his journey. It wasn't easy all the time. The podcast kind of saved him. And he created... I think he's done 1,600 episodes.

self-winding watch like we didn't have to prompt too much he really had a lot of great things to talk about so yeah i was into it and that blew that that hour blew by so it went by fast he is he knows he knows how to podcast he really told some good stories funny and uh it was it was interesting i i would keep listening yeah so check them out here's mark maron

What's the headspace like? Like when you first start doing this, I guess when it starts to emerge, you're doing, you're starting to be successful. Right. And you're going, okay, I did this interview. I get this many, this reaction. I do this interview. Holy shit. This is 10 times 10 X.

That was interesting because you did... it became very, very real with Robin. And he never, you know, he had made amends to me in Mill Valley on a sidewalk just after a show. Yeah. And I didn't know why. For a bit he just stole?

I just said to him, he had some idea that I took... I said, I tried to do you. You don't understand. I had a trunk of props. I worshipped you. And I don't know if it was from AA or something like, oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way. You know, it's supposed to be a hug. You're forgiven. I didn't. He thought I had a thing where I named my dick Mr. Happy and that he took that for me.

I know that's not true. I never did, Mr. Happy. Look where this goes on podcast.

He said it to me 20 years earlier at Dennis Miller's wedding. We were at the same table. I wonder, perhaps I got Mr. Happy from you. And I go, no. And then it tortured him.

Yeah, come on. My pronouns are, what's up, motherfucker? Yeah, there you go. Call her then.

You get successful. I want to do a deep dive on you. Yes, but your brand of authenticity.

Did you guys run out of SNL guests? How did I get this gig? No, this is good because you- Your story of SNL, just a quick insert, David. When we interviewed Lorne Michaels, I listened to your podcast about auditioning for SNL just to get ideas of how Lorne is in that environment. So you are an SNL guy. Your journey with that is fascinating if you want to talk about it.

Are you in the same house? You're in the same... You have not moved.

My corporate breakfast, like I think we talked about off the air, always go pretty well. Go ahead.

So you are a super fan and you were born after the year 2000. Yeah, you're like 12 years old.

Because watching it at home?

Yeah. The everywhere but nowhere effect of a big party is like that. Yeah. But was it... This is your first... How did you feel Lorne was processing it? Because he looked almost solemn on the good nights, and I was just thinking randomly, like, he's the one that has this emotional...

Oh, good. I think he was fighting back tears, I think, in a way by just being kind of holding back.

What's at the buffet? Do they have a table of water?

Like that would have been weird, you know, or him just, just like, it's more like tears coming down as you know what I mean? And hugging everybody or, you know, cause it's like he, there was a long time ago. It was going to be, he's going to do the 50th and retire. And then it was announced. He's going to continue on. So I think he's probably, we did that. And now we, we go back. Shane, uh,

No adult human man should be picked up.

Are you kind of glad that the oldies are gone? I mean, like me coming in with Jim Gaffigan. No!

I did, not just for this podcast, especially Fawn. I can be sentimental. Of all of you, every single cast member had such a sweet, sincere... All of you, every single one of you. Good squad. Every time I saw you come down the hallway, I was happy because you were in some other different kind of clothes.

But you don't refer to it. You're not wearing it. You're just showing up very casually and you've got pink striped pants on and clown shoes. And yet you're just talking like, okay, yeah.

Uh, I try to eat ahead of time and then I've never, I didn't, I've never seen my writer. They come at me sometimes really nervous and say, Mr. Carver, Mr. Carver, I'm so sorry. We only have three towels. I said, it's in your writer that you need three towels and it's in all caps. Yeah. And sometimes I play with them. Can you find a fourth?

Did someone tell you to pose like that? Because it was kind of perfect.

Interesting. So what is it about a man on ice that gets you?

No. It's pretty violent. And a fist fight on skates is also entertaining. Yeah.

I'll do your word when we read ads. Listen, listen, it's okay. Whatever.

Dana knows what he's doing. I don't know about that, but it is a fourth year is a pivotal year. I think in terms of confidence, you know, kind of takes a while to get used to it, but you seem very composed and funny out there. And I think, I think you're popping.

Yeah. Yeah.

No, don't do that. It's kind of a death knell to get up near the piano and sing a song. The only thing you get, you get the pressure, but it's a comedy compression. The room is so tight and the ceiling is so low compared to 8H where the show is that you get the laughs are big.

Well, they're all incredibly sweet people, by the way, when you meet there. And they really want to do a good job. But it's like, we're about to go on. Would you like your Coca-Cola on the stool or on the floor next to the stool? You know?

Oh. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Well, Shane's funny.

What can we look forward to potentially on the show? Yeah, what can we look forward to on the show without giving anything away?

When I first went out there, you were having a rough couple of weeks and you'd stop me in the hallway and go, yeah, I got cut, you know, whatever. And then I saw the evolution where Sarah Sherman died.

It's really like trying to catch the wind or something. There is just wanting to relax, be centered. Don't get stuck on the card. Let the audience know you're feeling their vibe. There's a lot of metrics that go into it. And then sometimes it just happens. And all of a sudden, you know, You're on air and it's really working and then you kind of float away.

And if there's a speech before you, it's like, okay. We're going to move the podium. The podium is going to move out. We're going to move your guitar down center.

You don't feel the kind of metrics of turn toward that person. Here's my card for this line. So the show's impossible and it's emotionally violent and it's ridiculous, but that's why it's so fucking compelling. As an outsider, if the show's bombing and I'm watching a show truly not do well, I'm just as entertained. It's more fun. They must be freaking out. This is real. There's no laugh track.

This sketch did not work, and we get to experience that. No place like it.

Not even close. Just because you get less views? No, not the same. Also, you're supposed to be mediocre online. There's nothing like SNL, and I've done it all, sweetheart. There's nothing like it, you know?

Well, I was with the church lady that came in late and I was not, I had not done that character in a while with guests and she's a traffic cop. You're bringing guests in and out and then they're switching your single shot back and forth.

That's why Lauren had said between dressing there, you're on the cards. You look like you're on the cards. I go, well, because I am on the cards.

And I'm like, hey man, I've really had that. Would you like to go out with the mic holding or go? I've had one, a place that was so freaking big. The stage was so huge. We were talking 10,000. They introduced me, smattering. By the time I get to the mic, it's dead silence. What's up? Why are you here? MGM Grand. These are fun, though. It's fun. Tickets are going fast. They always say that.

Rehearsals are the most fun. A journal is a great idea, but I would never have the presence of mind. I would think that will jinx it, journaling.

Just go up to Shane and go, gee golly, Mr. Gillis, I sure am a fan of what you do out there. You got so many funny voices, I can't even keep track of them. I'm Sherry Sherman.

There's your, you put this in next week. Put that in, just everything. Please, Mr. Sketch Man, write me a sketch. And then someone comes out dressed as a sketch. Yeah.

Or you come on dressed as a sketch on Update.

Don't miss one, Aaron.

Our demographic is 72. That's our average. Yeah.

Oh, what's her first name?

You have a lovely daughter. You have a lovely daughter.

Still don't.

Oh, you're taking the line from the SNL 50 and making it a Tyler special?

What was the line you said in the 15th again when they cut to you? You left the sketch ostensibly and took a seat. Yeah, and they said, where's Spade?

That took me by surprise.

No, but my thing is more, David, do you understand? Oh, gross.

Your Matt Gaetz had some subtlety whenever you were nonverbal. Yeah, when your eyes popped out of your head.

I thought later, I didn't have time. I wanted to say, how long have you been dressed as the Klingon? Because you really look like with the forehead, you know, the ladies should have gone.

It was. Klingon.

Oh, we'll definitely do stand up and then we'll come out together and do Q&A.

It's very sweet, the relationship you two have. David says, Sarah this, and we could get Sarah, and Sarah Sherman was there. We were laughing, Sarah Sherman and I. Yeah, I said Sarah was fun because I kind of know.

What did you drink? For a non-drinker, what did you drink?

I feel bad. When I hear how fun it was, I feel bad that I missed it.

Because of the weekly hangout.

Yeah, I really, really experienced the show with the new cast and people. Absolutely. And I love being there with Gaffigan and Adam Sandberg and Maya Rudolph, the fab four. But what I'm saying to you both now is that the only way for me to make up with... Missing the 50th is to be there on the 60th. Whoa. With a tuck and a thing and a squeeze.

If Bob can come in at 83 or two and kick ass.

Did his lawyer take a shower, get all fluffed and folded, and then call someone to quit? Or did he quit and then take a shower just to get the- Why, did he do a press release?

And he did the guitar solo in the middle. This is side two of Abbey Road for you neophytes. And he did this trading guitar solos. And then in the end, the love you give is equal to the love you take away.

Peace and love, peace and love, my brothers.

I did text Lorne after the fifth, and then I texted him, I think on Tuesday, and just wanted to see his sense of the show, what he was doing. And then he texted back, and he said... Because everyone's so obsessed with Blake Lively. Baldini is going to appeal. His deposition is going to be thrown out. I go, well, what about this Shane Gillis show and the 50th and everything?

I think Lively is going to do a brief discovery phase and show up. They may do an ADR, which is sort of a way to settle the dispute. But what about the Shane Gillis show on the 50th? The expulcatory evidence is going to be presented, but I think it'll be innocent.

Oh, yeah. I mean, that, I'm sure part of him, let's get past the 50th and he wants to get back. And he loves it. And I said to him, you're like an AI. You've downloaded it. You've downloaded the show. So his blink instinct about sketches, and it's a bit light, a bit there, you know. He lets, he gives a loose...

rope to people to want to do what they want to do but he's always dropping these little danny danny did a similar sketch but it's like that thing of you know so but yeah it because lauren is such a close like he keeps some of his emotions close to his vest you kind of want to give him a hug or something or just grab him or or tell him something very sentimental you know i hug him like a koala bear all the time i lock in

No, it's chapstick. It's not lipstick, right? I mean, hold it up. It's chapstick. No, it is lipstick. Sorry, it doesn't matter. Yeah, okay. Look.

Oh, my God.

There was Hitler. It's supposedly Hitler's great-grandson he represented. Till the Hun was a great-great-great-great-grandfather he represented. Some rascals. He represented Epstein, P. Diddy, the Unabomber. Ted Bundy he represented. This guy's a beaut.

Thanks for coming on, man. It was very interesting.

Well, go to the source.

Ugh.

I would go inside and call the police.

I actually know someone who does not think we landed on the moon. Perfectly normal, not insane adult. Yeah. Just no way.

Did you see the thing where these people saw Bigfoot, like literally in the forest and it's like, fuck, it's Bigfoot. It's this giant hulking, whatever, cross of a bear and a man or something. And then it ran off and they went up and it was kind of muddy. So they measured Bigfoot and it was like a size nine. So... That's me.

They call him Bigfoot for a hundred years. They find out he's just the size eight and a half.

I went a long way for that joke, but I played it really straight.

I should have said size seven to make it more, but nine is just a regular average foot, you know?

Cat stairs is fun.

Hey, remember anybody out there, if you're on Tinder and you don't like your height, just say you're four foot four. And then when the woman comes, opens the door and goes, you're a giant.

Well, if you're really charming and funny, you say I'm four foot four. And then when they see you, they go, my God, I love your personality and you're a giant. Never try to overrate yourself.

I don't know. I don't think I landed it that well.

So what I was doing... Because now this will trend. What I was doing was just, we were talking so much and the world was talking so much about Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively, lovely people. I don't know them, but I just know them as... And then Baldini, I don't know his first name. You don't know his last name either. Is his name Baldini? Is it Baldoni? Baldoni, Baldini, Baldini, Baldini.

So the obsession with it and the tabloid obsession with it got so silly to me that I just pretended that I had texted Lorne right after the 50th. Lauren, how are you feeling? Baldini's going to counter Sue. But Lauren, the 50th, what did you think of Steve Martin's monologue? I think that they're going to lawyer up. I don't think Reynolds wants to settle.

I don't know. You know, you can't tell if anything's really trending. But for me, the the the seriosity, if that's a real word that was taken, it was deadline. It was New York Post online.

It was USA Today. And so all online, not say. But it was really funny to me. And I was just hoping that Lorne wasn't like. What the fuck? But I think he immediately would know it was a joke because obviously he didn't say it.

Let's not go over an hour. I know, we're almost there. All right. Leonardo DiCaprio to star as Evel Knievel in a biopic directed by Damien Giselle.

I was obsessed with Evel Knievel in the analog days. It'd be Wild World of Sports on Channel 7, and he was going to jump a Grand Canyon or 50 cars in Vegas, and he would fall.

He's in his little cape outfit, and he's revving his motorcycle like it's a Honda 50. Vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom. And then it's like it's screaming. But wasn't... Look this up, Greg. There was an Evel Knievel movie. Was it Burt Reynolds? There was? There wasn't an Evel Knievel movie, I believe. And I don't know who starred in it. But DiCaprio... is always good, so I think he will.

And that director's actually- He's La La Land, right? La La Land, first man, I think, first man on the moon he did with, okay. George Hamilton played Evel Knievel, okay. I saw that in the theater in the 70s, yeah.

Sarah is a fashion plate and really is a creative dresser, which I love. She comes in in circus outfits every day when I was out there in the fall and made me laugh every time. Striping pants, big clown shoes. So she can't just throw on some.

I guess that's a good show. Sarah Sherman was our guest.

Thank you, Sarah. David Spade. You can see him everywhere where podcasts are. And spring time for Fantasy Springs. Fantasy Springs in Palm Springs or Indio.

All right.

No, we're working hard. We're dancing for our donuts, man.

You mean Rockefeller Center on the 17th floor?

I'm going to work. Where? Rockefeller Center at the 17th floor.

Did I step all over you?

I don't know what's going on, but there was a video on Daily Mail of the lawyer offloading hundreds and hundreds of bottles of baby oil into the back of his Lincoln town car.

Yes, Fantasy Springs in Palm Springs near the Spring Fresh restaurant. The exit is called Springtown.

Friend of the show. Friend of the show. That's Lauren. Lauren used to be a yodeler in Bavaria when he was going to college. He goes, show cola. Remember when we did Ricola? Was that Rob Schneider's sketch? Ricola. Were you in that? No. Did you do a Ricola sketch? It was some kind of comedy thing. We had big horns. Ricola. I can't remember. Funny look. I can't remember the angle of it.

I think you were in that one.

It's like they went after George Lucas who invented Star Wars and they dangled 4 billion. And next thing you know, there's like 29 of them. So now Amazon probably bought this for a couple billion.

They could have church, young church lady, the church girl. They could have.

Church man, church woman becomes a man. Good night.

I love the dressing rooms of the young cast.

it's really going to be a wing thing but i don't know if you're legally allowed to bring your guitar out and kill that hard i might have to i don't know i'm not doing as much stand-up as you i'm terrified of following a guy you're like a marine you are fit and people understand that we need reps as stand-ups reps now maybe i have the ability to just come out with a few notes and riff but

For sure. Well, when you walked into that, this is your office on eight H or your dressing room at eight H. This is my dressing room.

It's all that you, and it was just plain.

Okay.

But you all do that. You all do that. You young people.

Nothing on my wall.

It seemed like other people used it or something. But James Austin Johnson's is incredible. Heidi Gardner.

I'm not a consumer. The economy would go to hell in a handbasket if everyone was me. I stole this from a shoot. $5. Stold. If I don't wear these, you're all blurry. Jesus. I want to ask some serious questions. I do too. We missed you. I know. Well, a lot of people got that flu and it lingered.

Is that real or is that for PR effect?

No, it's not that. It's more fatigue and coughing and achy.

Well, someone pointed out you're looking at Bruce Lee's nipple the entire time. Oh, yeah, that's right.

Is that supposed to be a picture of you? Because we don't see Bruce Lee's head.

And I have a question. Because I'm having a sense memory kind of a buzz right now. Because this is my Matt Gaetz, and this is my Hunter Biden, and I got a dress on, and you guys are kicking ass.

David is in really good shape.

No, no. It was an HR. Why would you think that? I was sitting there thinking, she's being funny. All you have to do is look at the camera like this.

Who's the host this week? Because we come out tomorrow, right? Oh, it's Shane, right?

Shane, which Shane?

I know you guys like to do things. I mean, if you've ever been in Spade's closet, he's like 9,000- Rolex, cashmere, Lamborghini.

Uh-oh. On a Monday night. Oh, no.

That keeps his cool factor here, that he's not going to go down memory lane, let the work speak for itself.