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Frontier Risks: DeepMind, Agentic Systems, and Security Leadership ft. Jason Rebholz
26 Sep 2025
Quick Take (TL;DR)This episode explores the evolving risks and opportunities at the intersection of AI, security, and leadership, featuring insights from instant response veteran Jason Rebholz. The conversation highlights why AI safety and agentic systems matter for CISOs and security teams today. Key Topics & Timestamps (00:00) Banter(03:39) Guest Introduction(04:29) DeepMind’s Frontier Safety Framework(06:11) Manipulative AI & Enterprise Risk(07:53) Frontier vs. Enterprise Risk(11:24) Early Signs & Real-World Impact(14:25) Safety vs. Security(16:16) Implementation Context(18:06) Expel Talent Index(22:08) What Makes a Great Security Pro?(29:05) Good CISO, Bad CISO(36:43) Memo to File(38:03) Securing AI Agents(44:49) Actionable Advice Guest SpotlightJason Rebholz is the co-founder of Evoke Security and former CISO at Corvus Insurance. He previously led incident response at Mandiant, handling nation-state threats and major breaches. Jason is a leading voice on AI security, agentic systems, and practical risk management. Connect: - LinkedIn - Website- Newsletter Resources & References BooksGood CISO, Bad CISO by Phil Venables Articles / StudiesDeepMind Frontier Safety FrameworkExpel 2025 Talent IndexRAND Security ObjectivesWeekend Byte Newsletter Tools / FrameworksRAND Security Objectives Subscribe: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube | Website
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