02:02 设计师的困惑：商品与产品的差异以及设计思维的重要性04:06 设计思维与工业化思维：合作与效率的较量07:55 解密设计师的发育方式：超越神话的真实故事11:55 创业者的痛苦：追求成功与保持独立之间的抉择15:55 市场、销售、生产资源的总结与调控：设计师的责任与挑战19:53 设计师的使命：超越审美，解构需求，创造价值23:51 失去自我与中国文化：商业逻辑与个人价值观的冲突27:50 寻找光明：选择苍蝇还是蜜蜂，还是自己的发光之旅？31:47 设计师的职业选择：大环境下的困局与转型之路35:48 设计行业的传承模式：传统师徒制的优势与挑战39:47 AI带来的社会问题：设计师的成长期被取代与口味变化的不确定性43:43 设计师的成长与AI时代的挑战：传统工艺的掌握与量化生产听友群+V: JXLJXL36嘉宾们也都在群里哦~
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