Baker Botts, L.L.P. v. ASARCO LLC (14-103)
argument 14-103Baker Botts, L.L.P. v. ASARCO LLC
Supreme Court of the United States
55 min
5 speakers
8 chapters
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What is the core issue the Supreme Court is being asked to resolve in Baker Botts v. ASARCO?
We'll hear argument next today in case fourteen one hundred three Baker Botts versus Asarko. Mr. Street.
Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court. At the end of a bankruptcy case, a professional must file a detailed fee application. Numerous interested parties may object And the court must hold a hearing to resolve those objections and make an independent assessment A reasonable compensation. Each of those steps is indispensable to accurately determining the professional's core fees and the estate's administrative expenses. allowing the trustee to close the case and ultimately pay the estate's creditors. Everyone agrees that preparing the application is compensable. as reflected by section three hundred thirty A six's guidance for determining the amount of that compensation. Defending the application against objections is an inseparable part of that same code mandated process.
There is no principal basis. And certainly no textual basis for categorically banning compensation for that next step. To the contrary Well the principal basis, as I understand it, is that when you prepare it, you're you're serving the uh the trustee. uh you're serving his needs. But when you know he's disallowing it, you're to the contrary, uh Acting against the trustees' interest. Isn't that a principal distinction? It it would certainly not be in the vast majority of cases. For example, in the typical Chapter seven case, the trustee hires a professional, the trustee wishes to pay the professional fully for his good work, and the debtor comes in and objects. By defending that application against the debtor's objections, the professional is serving the trustee.
The same thing happened here where the debtor in the Okay, so you you acknowledge it's okay if the trustee objects. Then he doesn't have to pay, right? I would not acknowledge that, Your Honor. Be but that is the reason there should not be a category. That's correct. The
estate wants to keep as much money as it can to give to the creditors. That's the purpose, right?
Well in this case, for example, the estate paid all of Baker Bot's core fees and wanted to pay all of those fees, and you had a Sarco coming in as the reorganized company and objecting. So I again I don't think that's true in the vac in in many, many cases and typically uh it's not the case in the chapter seven case. As the National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees point out is a micus, a trustee is not going to be able to retain competent and skilled counsel If the debtor is going to be able to do that, you can't do that.
to fight this objection. Would that other law firm have been entitled to fees too?
It would possibly be entitled to fees through three hundred thirty A one B. I think in your hypothetical you're assuming that the other law firm would not be approved by the trustee as an estate professional. So that's the on off switch for compensation under three hundred thirty A. uh compensation as a service rendered. So the only possible way they could be compensated would be as an expense for rendering a service to the estate professional.
Anybody. who prepares a fee application, an accountant, an expert Um The bankruptcy court can pay all of their legal fees if the trustee has hired their lawyer.
Yes.
But if the trustee hasn't then they have to assume the cost of fighting
No, Your Honor, that's not our position for two reasons. First of all, there's two ways to get compensated under three thirty A. There's A one A, which is compensation for services rendered by a professional hired by the estate. And then there's A one B, which is expenses. And that's things like experts, uh outside contractors that the estate professional hires to help him or her do the services. So in the context of an accountant, who hired a law firm to prepare and defend its fee application, it happens all the time, accountants can't do it themselves, that outside law firm would be a uh compensable as a an expense to the accountant. Now of course Sarko's position would categorically ban all compensation for law firms, even those retained by the trustee that defend their fee application, it would categorically ban compensation by the accountants.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the core issue the Supreme Court is being asked to resolve in Baker Botts v. ASARCO?
0:00–6:00
2
How does the bankruptcy code require professionals to prepare and submit a fee application?
6:00–12:30
3
Why do interested parties object to fee applications and what role does a hearing play?
12:30–19:45
4
Are the costs of defending a fee application considered compensable services under § 330 A?
19:45–27:30
5
What does Congress mean by “reasonable compensation for services rendered” and how does § 330 A‑4‑A2 affect enhancements?
27:30–34:40
6
How does the American rule intersect with bankruptcy fee‑litigation and why might it not apply here?
34:40–40:06
7
What policy arguments support allowing or denying compensation for fee‑defense work?
40:06–47:12
8
What conclusion does the Court reach and how will it affect future bankruptcy fee awards?
47:12–56:00